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Speaker 2: We're back. It's draft week. A little over forty eight

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Speaker 2: first round of the twenty twenty three nf VOWVE Draft.

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Speaker 5: I cannot wait to flush my brain of all this

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Speaker 5: No, that Belichick, the Bill Belichick talk. Greatest moment in

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Speaker 5: By the way, the Silly Season update from ten to

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Speaker 4: Because according to Will Levis's agent or apparently.

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Speaker 5: Come on, yeah, my brothers friends, is it the airport?

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Speaker 4: That's like whenever I worked in local news, reporters would

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Speaker 2: All that games right right, It's like, hey, there's three

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Speaker 5: It was in you know any you can see anything?

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Speaker 2: Is there anything more? Exhaust Jeepers Cats? That's what I

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Speaker 2: let's fast forward to Friday at six pm, right before

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Speaker 2: Round two, Lair, are the Colts destined to address a

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Speaker 4: I don't know about destined, I don't know. I think

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Speaker 5: Your needs today are not gonna be your needs tomorrow, right,

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Speaker 2: I will say, just for the sake of playing Devil's advocate.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a tiebreaker in it, but I mean, if

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Speaker 2: be a consistent member of the Colts starting secondary, do

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Speaker 2: we know yet?

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Speaker 5: We're closer to knowing on this one, But I think

436
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Speaker 5: there'll be competition there and whether that comes from a

437
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Speaker 5: draft pick or a free agent signing after the draft

438
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Speaker 5: kind of like Lara mentioned, you know, you can still

439
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Speaker 5: build your roster, and you know, at different points of

440
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Speaker 5: the year, usually after the draft is when you see

441
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Speaker 5: some veterans get released by teams and then all of

442
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Speaker 5: a sudden, the free agency pool deepens a little bit.

443
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Speaker 5: You know, maybe there'll be a cornerback who comes on

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Speaker 5: the mark who the Colts didn't expect to hit the market.

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Speaker 5: You know, even look at what the Eagles did last year.

446
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 5: James Bradbury didn't join them until the summer and he

447
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Speaker 5: turned out to be a Pro Bowl cornerback. So those

448
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Speaker 5: things can happen over the course of a year. But

449
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Speaker 5: I think if you go into the season with Isaiah

450
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Speaker 5: Rodgers penciled in atop the depth chart, you know you

451
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Speaker 5: still want to see more from him, but you know

452
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Speaker 5: what the talent is, and you've seen flashes of it,

453
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Speaker 5: and you know he can do it. It's about getting

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Speaker 5: him to play consistently, and I think he can. I

455
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Speaker 5: think he can do it, but I just don't know

456
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Speaker 5: if he's at a point yet where you go in

457
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Speaker 5: and you say there's no competition for this guy. Those

458
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Speaker 5: guys are few and far between on any NFL roster.

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Speaker 4: I think you're getting into a period where you can

460
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Speaker 4: learn a lot because the veterans are beginning that voluntary

461
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Speaker 4: ota period this week, and you'll get a good gauge.

462
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Speaker 4: You know, Gus Bradley and Ron Milis can observe and

463
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Speaker 4: assess exactly where Isaiah Rodgers and the rest of that

464
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Speaker 4: secondary are right now. What level are you coming in at,

465
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Speaker 4: What impact are you trying to make in April? And

466
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Speaker 4: that can put you on that trajectory of being able

467
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Speaker 4: to rely upon Okay, this is where we can project

468
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Speaker 4: he's going to be or the ascension he can take

469
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Speaker 4: within this defense. This is how he looks in certain

470
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Speaker 4: positions based on where he was last year within this scheme.

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Speaker 4: So I think you're gonna learn a lot. I think

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Speaker 4: that you may not be able to know right now,

473
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Speaker 4: but I think in the next, say, you know, four weeks,

474
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Speaker 4: as you have this period of time where the Vets

475
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Speaker 4: are all getting back together and spending some critical time

476
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Speaker 4: working together, I think that will be heavily indicative as

477
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Speaker 4: in terms of exactly how heavily you will rely upon

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Speaker 4: Isaiah Rodgers in that role.

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Speaker 2: Now, going back to last year, I agree with you.

480
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Speaker 2: I mean, it seemed like the defense at times favored Facing,

481
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Speaker 2: then it was Rogers, then back to Facing. Kind of

482
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Speaker 2: this seesaw battle between playing time between those two guys.

483
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Speaker 2: And as we all know, Rogers has really good speed,

484
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Speaker 2: He's got quickness, he's got that phenomenal athleticism. Yeah, great instinct, Yeah,

485
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Speaker 2: that makeup ability. When he's partially beat, he can get

486
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Speaker 2: back on top of the rec But he's five ft

487
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Speaker 2: ten and I think at times, just this is speculation

488
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Speaker 2: on my part, I think at times that maybe kept

489
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Speaker 2: him off the field, with Facing being more of that

490
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Speaker 2: bigger corner that Gus Bradley liked, and that familiarity that

491
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Speaker 2: Gus had with Facing with the Raiders and a couple

492
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Speaker 2: of other stops. Is Rogers ready to be a starter

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Speaker 2: are the Colts comfortable with that? And then I think

494
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Speaker 2: still the Colts could obviously grab a corner in the draft.

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Speaker 2: I think there's corners in this draft that you have

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Speaker 2: that blend of quick area quickness that the Colts like,

497
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Speaker 2: bigger body corners that can play press mann man. So

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Speaker 2: sounds like there's a lot of those guys in this

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Speaker 2: draft class. All right, final, do we know yet? Let's

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Speaker 2: talk about draft? Will Levis now unbelievably maybe that's not

501
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Speaker 2: the right word, but considering how crazy this pre draft

502
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Speaker 2: process has been, the quarterback from Kentucky now the favorite

503
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Speaker 2: to be the number two overall pick. Multiple sports books

504
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Speaker 2: have installed Levis as the favorite to be the second

505
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Speaker 2: overall pick, either to the Texans or to some other

506
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Speaker 2: team if Houston decides to trade down, And for most

507
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Speaker 2: of this time that was CJ. Stroud. He you know,

508
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Speaker 2: his odds have dropped amid increasing talk that the Texans

509
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Speaker 2: and other teams aren't as high on him as many beliefs.

510
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Speaker 2: So as it pertains to quarterback two off the board

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Speaker 2: Thursday night, Lara, do we know yet?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not?

513
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Speaker 5: Holy mind, absolutely not?

514
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Speaker 4: And I feel like that Chris Ballard kind of admitted

515
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Speaker 4: that a little bit on Friday. You know, you have

516
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Speaker 4: no idea really what's going to happen based on you know,

517
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Speaker 4: where people are right now. I think that this is

518
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Speaker 4: the time where it is, you know, kind of a

519
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Speaker 4: lot of pr spin from certain sides, you know, whether

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Speaker 4: it's agents or managers trying to you know, kind of

521
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Speaker 4: escalate their guy or push a certain narrative or different

522
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Speaker 4: things like that. Like what was the old chatter like

523
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Speaker 4: people we were peeved at CJ. Stroud because he turned

524
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Speaker 4: down the Manning Pack Academy and like like that created

525
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Speaker 4: a fire storm. Like it's like, you know, it's like

526
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Speaker 4: fake news, right, Like that's it's kind of what it is.

527
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Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't think we know at all because

528
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Speaker 4: I think that to quote Chris and what we heard

529
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Speaker 4: from the Combine Beauty as in the eye of the beholder,

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Speaker 4: whether you're looking at where your pick is in the

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Speaker 4: first round or which quarterback you may covet as being

532
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Speaker 4: the best fit, because I don't think that the best

533
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Speaker 4: or second best quarterback is the same to every single team.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, that's why I.

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Speaker 5: Just it wouldn't shock me if you pulled.

536
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Speaker 4: Maybe somebody is like it's worth Anthony Richardson, Like, yes,

537
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Speaker 4: it's like the most unknown, but we think that he

538
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Speaker 4: is just like this unicorn, right, and we're willing to

539
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Speaker 4: give him the time to develop. And we know he's raw,

540
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Speaker 4: but he has the high Maybe you think he has

541
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Speaker 4: the highest ceiling of all the.

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Speaker 5: I be if you pulled thirty two teams, you would

543
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Speaker 5: legitimately have I don't even know if it's mathematically possible,

544
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Speaker 5: you would have, uh, pretty much every single team would

545
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 5: have their own ranking of those top four guys, and

546
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 5: oh yeah you could. You could have a team that

547
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Speaker 5: could have Bryce Young fourth. You could have a team

548
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Speaker 5: that is Bryce Young first. You could have a team

549
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 5: that is Will Levis first, or Richardson or Strut or wherever.

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Speaker 5: You could have those guys slotted any.

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe somebody is Hendon Hooker above Will Levis.

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Speaker 2: Can we make that happen though? Can we put in

553
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 2: a request after the draft? We just need to see

554
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Speaker 2: your top five picks. We need to see your board, yeah,

555
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: so that we can have closure.

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Speaker 5: It's like in poker, where you're playing like a very

557
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 5: collegial game and it's like, all right, show your cards.

558
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's Youker, that's Uker.

559
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 5: Where we don't know how to play.

560
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: We have to relive the hand after after all the

561
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: cards are out. You guys don't do that. I don't know.

562
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 5: Sometimes if you're if you're playing with a group of buddies,

563
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 5: you know, and you're not really playing for anything.

564
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Speaker 4: You just.

565
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 5: Had seven.

566
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I knew you had the nines. I

567
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: threw the queen. You know, I'm like, oh my god,

568
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: who cares? The round is over? Move on, deal the

569
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Speaker 2: next let's go. No, that's where we're at. I think

570
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: you guys are spot on on that. Let's keep the

571
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Speaker 2: draft talk moving. We'll continue to talk about all the chaos.

572
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Speaker 2: Easy to meet us saying the chaos that might unfold

573
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Speaker 2: to the top of the draft. Let's head to the

574
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Speaker 2: phone lines now. Welcome back one of our favorite insiders

575
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Speaker 2: regarding the draft. We had him on a few weeks

576
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Speaker 2: ago on Inside the Draft. Trevor Sikkima is back on

577
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Speaker 2: the podcast from Pro Football Focus NFL NFL Draft insider Trevor.

578
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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, sir. How are you?

579
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Speaker 3: I am doing fantastic, guys. I appreciate you having me on.

580
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: Indeed, so I know you're just as ready for this

581
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: draft as we are over like four and a half

582
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Speaker 2: months of speculation here, So I got to start first

583
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Speaker 2: with something we just talked about on our podcast, with

584
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Speaker 2: this whole Will Levis now the perception on him is

585
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: that he's quarterback number two, Whereas before all of this,

586
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Speaker 2: early on in the pre draft process, it was all

587
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Speaker 2: about CJ. Stroud. Why is CJ. Stroud falling in terms

588
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: of perception? How did that happen? And do you buy

589
00:28:59,200 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 2: what's going on here?

590
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, anytime a guy moves up and down

591
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: around this point in a draft calendar, I really say

592
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: when it's March and April, but especially in the mid

593
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: to late parts of April, it's simply about the general

594
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Speaker 3: public finding out something about what the NFL is probably

595
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: believed for a month or two now. So it always

596
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: seems very strange when there is this movement like this

597
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: and you go, hold on, wait a second. Nobody played

598
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: any new games for not any pay to evaluate the

599
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: combine is long gone, So this honestly might just be

600
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Speaker 3: recalibrating of what we're trying to predict that the NFL

601
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Speaker 3: is going to do. I think that when Carolina traded

602
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Speaker 3: up to number one overall, there was a lot of

603
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Speaker 3: connections between Stroud and Frank Reich and him being his

604
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Speaker 3: type of quarterback and him maybe going number one overall.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's when a lot of the reviews

606
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: for CJ. Strou were sky high. And I think that

607
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: since then, it feels like it's getting to a point

608
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Speaker 3: where Bryce Young's going to be the number one overall selection,

609
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Speaker 3: or at least that seems to be the big time

610
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Speaker 3: FA as of now. And since CJ. Strouds no longer

611
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Speaker 3: locked in that number one spot, I think you're learning

612
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Speaker 3: a lot of what other people in the league are

613
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: thinking about all of these quarterbacks. And I really don't

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Speaker 3: think it's a knock on Stroud nearly as much as

615
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Speaker 3: it is a representation of this draft class as a whole,

616
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Speaker 3: and that is every team is probably gonna think about

617
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Speaker 3: these guys and a lot of the other positions very differently.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna hear some scouts rave about this address class, thinking, oh, man,

619
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Speaker 3: there's so many that we could take in the first round.

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Speaker 3: There's so many guys that could be impact players. We're

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Speaker 3: comfortable with a lot of them in.

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Speaker 5: The top fifty.

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Speaker 3: And you might get some other scouts to say, man,

624
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be comfortable with any of these addressers until

625
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Speaker 3: middle of the day too, And it just feels like

626
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Speaker 3: that kind of draft class. So that's why I feel

627
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Speaker 3: that's just the representation of what we're seeing at the

628
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Speaker 3: quarterback position finding out a little bit more information. But

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Speaker 3: also you got to remember that every opinion is going

630
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Speaker 3: to be very different with this class.

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Speaker 5: When you've gone through this year's draft than trying to

632
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Speaker 5: fit the puzzle pieces together. Can you recall a draft

633
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Speaker 5: that you covered that has had this much uncertainty? I mean,

634
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Speaker 5: now there's even like this bubble up of uncertainty of

635
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 5: who's going to go number one overall because apparently some

636
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 5: Reddit post is influencing sports books into rocketing Will Levis

637
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Speaker 5: up to number one overall? Like has there ever been

638
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Speaker 5: a draft or you can remember this much uncertainty?

639
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just gonna nickname Will Levis game stop from

640
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: now on because of what Reddit's.

641
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Speaker 2: His stock here.

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Speaker 3: So no, I think that it is. It's gonna be

643
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Speaker 3: a crazy night one of the draft.

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 3: They're just as we've kind of learned more about what

646
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Speaker 3: general managers and scouting staffs think of this class, and

647
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Speaker 3: I think we're getting to the point where maybe they're

648
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Speaker 3: tired of keeping these posts to the desk. You know,

649
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Speaker 3: it's almost Thursday, it's almost Round one, probably willing to

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Speaker 3: talk a little bit to either some media members of

651
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: their friends, and they're probably sick of trying to make

652
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: something of this class. And and I think we're we're

653
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: really hearing a lot of different opinions on a lot

654
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: of different guys. And I'm gonna be honest, I've been

655
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 3: covering the NFL draft fo time for about five six

656
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: years now. I've done it long before part time with that,

657
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: but I cannot remember a draft with this much uncertainty. Truly.

658
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: I really believe we're going to get past the top

659
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: ten of this draft, and all of a sudden, we're

660
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: going to see names go in the top fifteen, top

661
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: twenty that we're like, whoa, We were thinking that they

662
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: were going to be second round picks, mid second round picks.

663
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: And it's just going to be an extremely entertaining draft

664
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: come Thursday.

665
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: Trevor, what do you think of the class overall? Because

666
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: you know, I've read where some gms are saying there's

667
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: just not a lot of first round grades on players.

668
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what that means the criteria across

669
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: the NFL. But you know, there's a lot of people

670
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: that think that next year's top players would be this

671
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: year's top players if they were in the draft. Do

672
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: you buy that? I mean, just the notion that there's

673
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: not a lot of home runs in this draft. Are

674
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: you in line with that?

675
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: I would be, you know, just listening to a lot

676
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: of press conferences and again general managers when they've been

677
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 3: speaking about a lot of this stuff, I've kind of

678
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: come to the conclusion that if you were to average

679
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: out all of the first round grades between all thirty

680
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: two teams in the NFL, I think it would probably

681
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: land somewhere between fifteen to twenty. You know, every team,

682
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: the average would be about fifteen to twenty first round

683
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: grades that they have in a singular draft class. Now,

684
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: there are some years where you could have anywhere from

685
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: twenty five thirty thirty five. You're probably not getting higher

686
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: than that, just because the first round grade is tough

687
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: to earn, But it does seem like a down class overall. Now,

688
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: that's not to say there's not going to be impact players, right,

689
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty six selections still have to get

690
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: made in this draft. And I do think that around

691
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: these guys that are getting second round, third round, fourth

692
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: round grades, whatever it is, there's still going to be

693
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: important parts for a team. Are they going to be

694
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: the takeover franchise type of players. No, I think that

695
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: we're learning and we're coming to the conclusion that this

696
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 3: class probably just isn't going to have a lot of

697
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: those guys, but it's going to be a lot of

698
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: those wide receiver twos, cornerback twos, you know, linebacker twos,

699
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: defensive tackle twos, like just these guys will be able

700
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 3: to shape what is the meat and cheese, if you will,

701
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: of your depth chart. You know, it's just something that's

702
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 3: going to be able to fortify the health of your

703
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 3: team from your first stringers, your second stringers, your third stringers,

704
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 3: and even the guys that make up the special teams

705
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: unit for you. So it's a team building class, But

706
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it's a franchise changing class except for

707
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 3: maybe a couple of guys at the very top.

708
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 5: With that in mind, because there are only a couple

709
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 5: of guys at the top, would that make it potentially

710
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 5: less likely for a team like Arizona to trade down

711
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 5: from number three, where you know, maybe they look at

712
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 5: it as there are only two elite players in this

713
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 5: class and they have a chance to get one of them,

714
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 5: or because you can kind of build a team, but

715
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 5: you're not building a franchise. Because Arizona has so many

716
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 5: roster needs, you know, maybe they have the worst roster

717
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 5: in the NFL potentially that they may need to just

718
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 5: accumulate as many picks as possible to just start getting

719
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 5: functional NFL bodies on their team.

720
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: YEA, really looking forward to see what Arizona does at

721
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 3: number three, because it's gonna give you a hint of

722
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: where this new regime believes that this team is. You know,

723
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: you sign Kyler Murray to a massive contract, but he

724
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: gets hurt, probably not gonna play at all. Next year

725
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: is probably gonna be a wash of a year. Anyways,

726
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins looks like he wants out. And if you

727
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: take DeAndre Hopkins off to this team, even if you

728
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: leave Kyler Murray on it, I mean, there's just not

729
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: a lot of guys to point to that you saying

730
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 3: you're going to be there for the next winning window

731
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: for Arizona, So it puts them an incredibly interesting situation

732
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: at three where you figure whoever, whichever quarterbacks or maybe

733
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 3: how many quarterbacks are on the board when they finally

734
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: come on the clock. That might go into the trade

735
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: value of what they might be able to get when

736
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: they're trading back. But yeah, that's something that I've been

737
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: thinking about for a long time now. He has been

738
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 3: rumored that, say, the Tennessee Titans have been a team

739
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 3: that's been looking to trade up. Is Arizona really gonna

740
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 3: want to go from three to eleven? You know, the

741
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: player that you're getting eleven's a lot less of a

742
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 3: sure thing in this class, I think than the one

743
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 3: that you'd be getting to three. So for Arizona, I

744
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 3: think that really limits the options if they want a

745
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 3: major impact player now. If they want to kick the

746
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: can down to next year, I know you guys asked

747
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: about next year's class. Grass is always greener a year out.

748
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: But I do think that next year's class is going

749
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: to be stronger at the top, At least it looks

750
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: that way. If they want to totally kick things down

751
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 3: the road and say, hey, we don't really care about

752
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 3: the compensation that we're getting back in this year's draft class,

753
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: we want you guys to load up the future picks

754
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 3: on whatever we're trading back, then all of a sudden,

755
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 3: Arizona can open up the door wide open. I mean

756
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: Tennessee at number eleven, New England at number fourteen, Pittsburgh

757
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: at number seventeen, even get a little bit further down.

758
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: I've heard about Baltimore maybe wanted to go up and

759
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: get the top corner in this class, Minnesota maybe wanting

760
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: to get aggressive to trade up. I know those teams

761
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: don't have a ton of draft picks, but I'm just

762
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: kind of throwing out different scenarios because if Arizona is

763
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 3: in that mindset where this year's return doesn't really matter,

764
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: then it opens wide open. But if they still want

765
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 3: to get a premium player, I can't see them moving.

766
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: That far down.

767
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 3: I really can't.

768
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 5: The last one I got for you, Trevor, was about

769
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 5: to Tennessee because you mentioned them potentially moving up. Are

770
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 5: they do you believe that they're in a position as

771
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 5: a franchise to go up and get a quarterback or

772
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 5: are they may be more likely to stay at eleven

773
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 5: or even trade down. You know, New GM trying to

774
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 5: build out their roster. Where where do you see them

775
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 5: standing at in this year's draft.

776
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: It's It's another fascinating case because I would tell you

777
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: that Tennessee has always felt like they were there and

778
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: ready to compete, right that. That's always been Mike Vrabel's attitude.

779
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: There's never been a sense of rebuilding, I think at

780
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 3: all since he really came on, and at least since

781
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: they opened up their winning window. But I also think

782
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 3: that this team crashed and burned a lot harder than

783
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: they ever thought they would during the second half of

784
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: last season. Ran Carson comes in to be the general manager,

785
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 3: and I'm sure Tennessee can make a trade to move

786
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 3: up from eleven to three, but you know it's probably

787
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: going to cost a lot of your draft capital both

788
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: this year and next year. Is Ran Carson really going

789
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: to want to come in at a first year GM

790
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 3: and give up multiples to go get a quarterback? Do

791
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: they think that this team is ready? They've still got

792
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 3: major questions along the offensive line. I still think they

793
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 3: need a deeper rotation along their defensive line. Their cornerback

794
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 3: room is young, but it still needs to get more solidified,

795
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 3: and they really don't have the pass catching playmakers in

796
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: the passing game, be able to alleviate what you think

797
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 3: is going to be the identity with Derrick Henry.

798
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: So it is.

799
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 3: I am this is another team, and I don't say

800
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: this to the cop out entry, but this is a

801
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 3: team that I am fascinated to see how they operate,

802
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: simply because Vrabel and the rest of that. I think

803
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: HiveMind there in Tennessee has not been in this position before.

804
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: How honest are they going to be with where they are,

805
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: what they need or are they going to say, Nope,

806
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 3: we're close, go get a quarterback. We're going to compete

807
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 3: next year. And I look at the rest of the roster,

808
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: I'm not so sure that's the case. So interesting to

809
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: see what they do.

810
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Trevor, last one with you on top of the draft.

811
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: I know you're covering the entire league, So got to

812
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: ask you about this. Aaron Rodgers trade. He's now with

813
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: the Jets. The Jets swap first round picks with Green Bay.

814
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: The Packers get a second round pick this year, they

815
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 2: likely get a first round pick next year, and the

816
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: Jets have to take on that contract. And this is

817
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: all in the backdrop of Rogers probably never wanting to

818
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: play for the Packers again, so it's interesting as far

819
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: as the leverage is concerned. So how do the Packers

820
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: pull this off? And isn't this what they've wanted this

821
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: entire time? Why did it take so long? And why

822
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: did the Jets seemingly finally give in before the draft.

823
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: I think that when you look at it from the

824
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: Jets side, certainly knowing what you're getting back with Aaron

825
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 3: Rodgers going all in on this window that you currently have,

826
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: the trade was expected. I would say the price that

827
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 3: they gave up was expected. It's a pick up in

828
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: the first round, you're giving up a second round pick

829
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: this year, and you're giving up some sort of conditional

830
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 3: pick in the future. That's kind of what we thought

831
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 3: was going to be the case. Honestly though, for green Bay.

832
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: For Brian Gudenkunz to get what he got back for

833
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: a player who was not going to play for them ever, exactly,

834
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: very very good job by him, and I think that

835
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 3: it was just tinkering with this trade a little bit

836
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 3: here and there that ended up with green Bay in

837
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: a great situation. Obviously, sitting here now at thirteen instead

838
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: of fifteen year a couple spots ahead, you get the

839
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 3: second round pick that you thought you were going to get,

840
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 3: and I think the conditions of that second round to

841
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 3: first round they were light. I mean, like you said,

842
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: this is gonna be a first round pick next year,

843
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers outside of him getting hurt, he's going to

844
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: play sixty five percent of the snaps. If I was

845
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: the Jets, what I would have been pushing for, and

846
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 3: maybe they did, and it just Brian Kreumcuse was just

847
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 3: putting his foot down and they they had a stalemate

848
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: and they just needed to get this deal done before

849
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 3: the draft. I would have been pushing for that second

850
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: to first conditional pick, being whether or not Rogers was

851
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 3: going to be on the team next season. I would

852
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 3: have somehow gotten that into the deal because the sixty

853
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 3: five percent of the snaps, that's auge. Just give him

854
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: the first round pick. Now, you know it doesn't that

855
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: part doesn't really matter. So that was the only thing.

856
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: When I looked at the trade, I said, I thought

857
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 3: it was fine for both sides, And when I saw

858
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 3: that detail, I went, man, I would have made the

859
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: conditions of the deal much more heavily weighed upon whether

860
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: you're getting two years out of Rogers instead of one,

861
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: because if you're getting two years out of him, then

862
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, giving up that first round pick

863
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: next year is fun. You're okay with it. You're in

864
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 3: the winning window. That's what you want. But man, the

865
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: sixty five percent, if you only get him for one

866
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: year and he's done, that's a steap price. Probably still

867
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Speaker 3: worth it for him, but that's a steat price of.

868
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Speaker 2: Though, good stuff. Trevor Sakima, Pro Football Focus, NFL Draft,

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Speaker 2: NFL insider Trevor, really appreciate the time. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much during this pre draft period, chatting with us twice.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for the couple of minutes today. Have a great

872
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Speaker 2: rest of the week, and of course enjoy the draft

873
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Speaker 2: and good luck with all the coverage on Pro Football Focus.

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Speaker 3: Hey you guys enjoy it too. Appreciate having me on

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Speaker 3: at any time.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Trevor.

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Speaker 2: Trevor Sakima, Pro Football Focus with a coverage on the

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Speaker 2: Colts dot com slash draft. All right, we've had some heavy,

890
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: heavy draft combo so far today on the podcast, I

891
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: say we close it out, have some fun. We're drafted out,

892
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 2: so I can't look at another mock draft. I can't

893
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: look at another fake report on all these quarterbacks news.

894
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: So I've got category drafts. Make your picks in the

895
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: following category. So, Lara, last year, unfortunately you had a

896
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: rough year. You went thirteen excuse me, four and thirteen.

897
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: You're you're picking first overall? All right, JJ, you had

898
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: another tough year. You went five, eleven and one. The

899
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 2: first draft, Lara for you is condiments. You have the

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00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: first overall pick.

901
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 4: This as JJ is first, right, and.

902
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 5: I traded kind of first overall Aaron Rodgers JFF roster.

903
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: Right now, So with the first overall pay in the

904
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: Condiment Draft, Larre Overton, you get to make the first selection.

905
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 5: A one, A one one not even ranked on A one.

906
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: I love a one outside of steak What are you

907
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: putting a one on? Baked versatility like burger value.

908
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 4: Tons of things, vegetables like when I was a kid. Actually,

909
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 4: there's a place in Jeffersonville, Indiana, Frank Steakhouse. I love

910
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 4: a one so much. They would bring out the dinner

911
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 4: rolls and I would dunk the dinner.

912
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: Roll in the A one sounds like respect.

913
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 4: How's it straight to the face an See this is

914
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 4: like the quarterback.

915
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 5: You know, you have a different view of everyone.

916
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 4: Condiment.

917
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 2: With the second pick in the condiment Draft, JJ stanging

918
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: its takes.

919
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 5: A lot of internal debate because I was thrown off.

920
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 5: I thought, I thought between a Chipotle ali a very

921
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 5: specific spicy brown mustard. See that this is probably too

922
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 5: much of a reach, Like I could probably get this

923
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 5: in the second round in and outspread, get that in

924
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 5: the second round.

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00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: Okay, again very specific.

926
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna go. I'm just gonna try to

927
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 5: hit one right down the middle of the fairway here.

928
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 5: Not go to too crazy spicy brown mustard. Okay, very versatile.

929
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 5: Can do a lot of things with it. Put it

930
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 5: on your burgers, on your sandwiches. You can meritate some

931
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 5: tenderlin in. It's delicious.

932
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 4: That's the most obscure answer I ever.

933
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: You did say a one at the top, like the

934
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: first round, first round?

935
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 4: Okay, Casey Value and I are aligned over here, like

936
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 4: Casey is my hype man in the back, like yeah, okay,

937
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 4: what are you going to?

938
00:44:59,600 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 5: Three zero?

939
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 2: This is like Moses in the Red Sea. You guys

940
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: have just parted ways. I still get the player or

941
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: the condiment that I covet the most. It's ranch dressing.

942
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: It's a very Midwestern dressing.

943
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 5: This fifth round. No no, no, no, no, no, no

944
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 5: no no.

945
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm talking pizza, I'm talking wings. I'm talking tortilla chips. Yes, no,

946
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: tortillo No. You ever been to Chili's and dip the

947
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: tortilla chips in their ranch?

948
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 4: Absolutely not?

949
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it changes your life. Thank you, Casey,

950
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: thank you. What are we doing?

951
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 5: Are we doing?

952
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: See? This is we are? We got We got a

953
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: lot of split decisions here on the condiments. All right,

954
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: Draft number two, uh JJ, I'm gonna let you go first.

955
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: Here ready with the first pick in the nineties sitcom draft,

956
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: JJ stang of it selects.

957
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 5: I am running to the podium like Hank Scorpio in

958
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 5: a fun run and selecting the Simpsons.

959
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, very popular.

960
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 5: Ever see a man take Goodbye to a shoe?

961
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 2: Very popular. Appreciate that, Lara.

962
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 4: I kind of was just wish this were two thousands

963
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 4: sitcoms because you and I would arm wrestle for this pick,

964
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 4: like we leverage everything. Yeah, because I feel like we

965
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 4: would be on Modern Family together if this were if

966
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 4: it were two thousands. Yeah, yes, exactly.

967
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 2: Although I don't know if that's a sitcom, but it's

968
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: it's in the neighborhood.

969
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 5: You're right, I read it's a sitcoms.

970
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably because we quote it. We love it. And

971
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 4: this is very personal. I know that no one, you know,

972
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 4: not everyone's going to agree with this, but kind of

973
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 4: like my go to feel good show is just friends,

974
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 4: Like yeah, very basic answer, yeah, very basic answer. So right,

975
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 4: so yeah, like it's my sister and I love it.

976
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 4: My sister and I lived together in college. It was

977
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 4: on rotation constantly.

978
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 5: We had all the DVDs.

979
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, my husband's convinced that TBS is really just

980
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 4: the Friends channel, that that's just really they're just dead.

981
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you could have gone with Seinfeld. I respect

982
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: the heck out of Seinfeld.

983
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: I do.

984
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 2: I love it. But there's one and it's you guys

985
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: are gonna make fun of me here. That's always a

986
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: cut above for me because of the star of the show.

987
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: That would be Tim Allen and Home Improvement. My board

988
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 2: is stacked differently. There's an audible reaction over there. Are

989
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: you shocked?

990
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 5: I'm trying to do the grunt, but I'm saying eight.

991
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: Seasons Patricia Richardson, Jonathan Taylor Thomas, Yes, and four strong episodes.

992
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 2: It's Pro Bowl caliber, a couple of first Team All

993
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 2: pros in there, Franchise Star and Tim Allen Home Improvement.

994
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: There you go with the third All right, I'm gonna

995
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: go first on the last one here with the first pick.

996
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: In the months of the year draft May, Tay selects May,

997
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: the month of May. Yeah, the draft is over. OTAs

998
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: are here. The weather is in Indiana. The weather is

999
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: the best is going to be all year. It's hot,

1000
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: not too hot, not humid. Everybody's yards looking good, cars

1001
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: are on the track at the speedway. You've got Memorial Day,

1002
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: You've got the NBA Playoffs back in the day. In

1003
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: this market, not much better with when you have pacers

1004
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: and racers going on at the same time. Major League

1005
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 2: Baseball is in full swing. May best month of the year.

1006
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 5: I have no no comment other than that's a good pick.

1007
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, JJ, you're number two.

1008
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 5: October to the podium for number two, and I knew.

1009
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 5: I knew I could have traded back here and still

1010
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 5: got October because I knew Lara wouldn't pick it. It's false.

1011
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 2: Could have traded the back and still got October.

1012
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you can have any.

1013
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: Lara, what are you trading up for?

1014
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 4: Then I have like a very like a like. I

1015
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 4: am June slash July on this. I'll give like June

1016
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 4: kind of like. Personally, I love July. It's our anniversary,

1017
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 4: fourth of July, it's my husband's birthday, it's both of

1018
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: my dad's birthdays fall in July. So I kind of like,

1019
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 4: at my core, I love the month of July. But

1020
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 4: I'm going to say that June would be my selection

1021
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 4: as best month.

1022
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: Oh oh, here's a deal. Here's the deal. I got

1023
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: like two second round picks. I'm trading back up in

1024
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 2: the first round. Ready for this hot take January January here,

1025
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: just hear me out.

1026
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 4: Because NFL playoffs, college football playoffs, in college basketball inside.

1027
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 2: You nest, you put on a hoodie college hoops from midnight.

1028
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 4: I get that. I'm with you there, I'm with you there.

1029
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 4: But I get such horrible seasonal depression like that because

1030
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 4: you don't see the daylight like it's just gray like

1031
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 4: So I get it from a sports programming standpoint, yes,

1032
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 4: but from a men weeks there, from a mental health standpoint,

1033
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 4: I am in no worse shape than in January January.

1034
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 5: Yet I will take January weekends. But mid week January. Yeah, today,

1035
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 5: snow's on a Wednesday. You're shoveling snow. Pitch blackness, listen,

1036
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 5: because it's.

1037
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: J January is not a perfect prospect. Okay, there's a

1038
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: lot of holes in that game.

1039
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 5: I'm saying.

1040
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 2: Here's what we're going.

1041
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: Here's why I love June. Okay, month of May is

1042
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 4: filled with a lot of obligations because it's like race

1043
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 4: season and all that shenanigans and stuff. So you feel

1044
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 4: like that you got a lot of like things going

1045
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 4: on that you're committed to. I like this. I feel

1046
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 4: like that the calendar opens up a lot in June.

1047
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 4: It's early enough in the summer that you got a

1048
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 4: lot of free time. You could still plan some good things.

1049
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 4: You can just like on a whim, be like, hey,

1050
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 4: let's take off a Friday and take a long weekend

1051
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 4: and you know, do a lake trip to Lake Monroe, mate,

1052
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 4: or do something like that, you know, or hey, we're

1053
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 4: gonna exactly right. You can do things like that in June.

1054
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 4: When you get into July, it starts that your window

1055
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 4: starts to close a little bit. The weather's awesome in June.

1056
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 4: And even if you're not traveling, like, there's lots to

1057
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 4: do around Indie. You can go take a little dip

1058
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 4: over at the riv you know, get yourself a little

1059
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 4: pool afternoon before you venture down, before you venture into

1060
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 4: Broad Ripple, and maybe hit flat water for some beves

1061
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 4: and a time on the patio.

1062
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 5: Lots of out. I didn't get a chance to uh

1063
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 5: make my case for October, but no one cares.

1064
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: Wow, you're just raking leaves anyways, it doesn't matter.

1065
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 5: But October to me, October weather is some of the best.

1066
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 5: I always enjoy October because I'm always like it's the

1067
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 5: last chance of it to be nice out for a while.

1068
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 5: So I'm going to fully enjoy every day of October

1069
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 5: where it's like it's sixty five, you get that little

1070
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 5: chill going you get on Saturdays.

1071
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 4: I really don't like full colors like unge and brown.

1072
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 4: It's just like blow, very very Cleveland Browns.

1073
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: Like just like just disrespected entire fan base. And I'm

1074
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: sure they time the year, just disrespected pumpkins and leaves.

1075
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 2: And I don't need I don't need bulbous gords as decor. Really,

1076
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: you know, I'm all right without it. This officially is

1077
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: the worst eight minutes in the history of this podcast

1078
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: right before the NFL Draft, because that's where we are, folks.

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Speaker 2: We are drafted out. Soon it will be all over.

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Speaker 2: The next time we talk, the draft will have happened

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Speaker 2: and the narrative will have progressed. Guys, always love doing

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Speaker 2: this show with you A lera real quick with the

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Speaker 2: next pick. What can we expect after the draft?

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Speaker 4: We will be inside the draft room in the thick

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Speaker 4: of it as the selections are being made. The phone

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Speaker 4: calls with the picks, all of the reaction that will

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Speaker 4: be coming at you the week following the draft, a

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Speaker 4: highly anticipated episode, and a huge round of applause for

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Speaker 4: Matt Wilkining. He is seriously the master mind of the operation. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it might so much fun working on that. And also,

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Speaker 4: just I know we've said this timetime again, but it

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Speaker 4: would be absolutely impossible to do without the cooperation of

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Speaker 4: Chris Ballard, Ed Dodds, the support of all of the scouts,

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Speaker 4: the pr staff, football ops, everyone. So we're so immensely

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Speaker 4: grateful that we're able to continue this and deliver that

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Speaker 4: content season after sex.

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Speaker 2: And JJ, what is your words per minutes on the keyboard?

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Speaker 5: It's it's gonna be significant.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's gonna be put to the test. Yeah, because

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Speaker 2: writing furiously.

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Speaker 5: We make the pick and I'll probably have three stories.

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Speaker 5: Shortly after we make the pick. Bill Brooks and I

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Speaker 5: are going to record an episode of Instant Reaction. It's

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Speaker 5: a special episode of Instant Reaction after the Colts make

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Speaker 5: their pick in the first round, and then we're gonna

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Speaker 5: hear from the draft pick. We're gonna hear from Chris Ballard.

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Speaker 5: Thursday is gonna be a long night, but it is

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Speaker 5: gonna be a fun yes, fun time.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Tune in Colt Straft Radio coverage this weekend. Starting

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Speaker 2: Thursday night ninety three five one oh seven five, the

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Speaker 2: FEN will have live pick by pick analysis Thursday and

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Speaker 2: Friday nights, starting at seven pm both nights. Rick Venturi,

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Speaker 2: Joe Wrights, myself on Thursday, then Just and I on Friday.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go with you the entire way, rounds one

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Speaker 2: through three breaking it all down. We'll also have overtime

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Speaker 2: podcasts Thursday, Friday, and then Saturday recapping each day of

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Speaker 2: the draft. So we're just getting started. As I said, guys,

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Speaker 2: love you, love doing this show with you. It's here,

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Speaker 2: It's finally here. We can put some of this talk

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Speaker 2: to bed and to rest and then never think about

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Speaker 2: it for the rest of our lives. For Laira Overton,

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Speaker 2: JJ Stangovitz, I'm Matt Taylor. This is the official Cults podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by when Bett. We'll do it again

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Speaker 2: next week recapping the draft here on the Colts Audio Network.

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Speaker 2: So long, have a great day.