WEBVTT - The Oldest Golf Course in Wisconsin - Eagle Springs 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:03.920 Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:09.240 Today's episode is brought to you by visit Milwaukee. Wisconsin 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.600 is home to some of America's best public access golf, 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:16.520 most of which is a short drive from Milwaukee Center. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.400 Your summer travel plans around coming to the Brew City. 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.160 You can enjoy courses designed by the late great Pete Die, 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:27.360 Langford and Moreau, Core and Crenshaw, David McClay, kid and 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:32.440 many more, all within a reasonable drive from the city center. 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.400 The trip around the city, stay in the city. It's 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:37.480 a great spot to stay, and you know it gives 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:40.280 you a lot of options at night beyond golf. The 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.199 best part about staying in Milwaukee is those options and 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.199 getting to indulge in the amazing food and beer scene. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.720 The city is immensely walkable and filled with great craft 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.560 breweries and James Beard Award winning restaurants. Go to visit 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.560 Milwaukee dot com slash golf for more information about how 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:01.240 to make the most of your trip. We are back 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.040 with an episode about a golf course that's less than 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:08.760 an hour from Milwaukee, the nine hole Eagle Springs Golf Resort. 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:13.119 It's an Eagle, Wisconsin. This course is the oldest course 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:17.000 in Wisconsin and amazingly has been owned by the same 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:21.600 family since its exception in eighteen ninety three. We speak 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.920 with its current owner, Mike Bolan, about the history of 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.759 the course and what is like to own a course today. 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.039 I'm sure this will come out in the podcast, but 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.360 Eagle Springs is worth the trip and stop. It's a 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.319 nine hole course, so you can get around it quick 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:42.680 and add it easily to a golf trip up in Wisconsin. 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:47.440 I highly recommend going. It has some unbelievable golf holes 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:51.080 that you literally can see nowhere else, in the sense 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.160 that you know that every course has holes that you 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.360 can't see anywhere else, but these are holes that will 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:00.200 make your jaw drop. And it's really Its close to 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:04.160 Aaron Hills in Lasonia. So add it on go see it. 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:08.440 Support a local business, you know, kind of a one 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:12.800 man band, as Mike reveals. So without further ado, here's 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:13.520 Mike bowling. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.680 I miss a green for example, I'm already upset when 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:19.800 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:21.840 And when I find my ball in a fried egg 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:23.839 Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.760 Frida egg Frida egg Brian egg Frida egg Bride egg Lie. 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.000 I'm about ready to run off the the hump course. 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.280 Where do you guys fall on? The oldest golf courses 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:56.000 in Wisconsin? 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.800 From my what I was always told is when I 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.960 was a kid, and I'm sixty five now, was we 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.200 were started in eighteen ninety three, which makes us the 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:10.560 oldest one to scumby, I believe, say they're eighteen ninety five. 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.600 They also claim to be the oldest golf course. 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:15.880 They might say eighteen hole, right. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:17.959 We were eighteen holes too at one point. 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:19.960 Okay, so I. 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:24.440 Mean they may say eighteen but and I think somebody 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.280 just asked me that I think Janesville was the oldest 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.120 country club because there was This book is mostly his 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.640 book is mostly about the country clubs because it's the WSGA. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.760 But he does mention us into Scumbia in his book. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:41.200 So it explained kind of how the course came about. 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.119 And obviously your family's history here. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.640 Well, my family came from the west coast of Ireland 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.080 in eighteen sixty six, and I guess it'd be my 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:57.320 great great grandfather and he had three sons and they 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.800 came here and they farmed to begin with. And then 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.720 one of his sons decided to build a hotel in 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.040 the golf course in eighteen ninety three. So at one 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:12.440 point there was an eighteen hole golf course with a hotel. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.680 Kind of there's pictures with the little big old Randez 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:21.640 was he was torn down, I think in the probably 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:28.480 the thirties. His his one of his daughters died and 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.760 he had a broken heart and tore a hotel down. 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:39.320 But the golf course has remained, although it got shortened 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:40.760 from eighteen holes to nine holes. 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:41.920 When did that happen? 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:47.720 Well, it's kind of a guess. The man who taught 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:52.480 me how to chip was a Chicago had a Chicago 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.400 an insurance agency, and he was a country club golfer 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:57.320 like his brother. Took me to play at north Shore 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.919 after they played the you know, so they were serious, 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.360 serious golfers. After they played the US Amateur there. And 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:06.760 he when he was a kid, they had a cabin 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.000 here and he mowed greens and he probably would be 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.080 he'd probably be around one hundred thirty or forty years 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:15.920 older than I am. And so he said when he 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:20.040 was a teenager. So if he was one hundred, say 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.640 he was fifteen. That would have been eighty five years ago, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.480 nineteen thirty. Yeah, so he he said that it was 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.320 that the course some of the course went further south, 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:35.440 so it goes from number one towards number three, goes 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.080 from north to south, so it'd have been continuing going 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.719 south past number three, and then they there was a 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.040 he said, number four came out and dog leg had 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.479 a hard dog leg up. He said, there was some 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:49.480 you know, there's a lot of area between eight nine 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.559 and one. He said, there was some back and forth holes. 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.600 But there there's a false front on in the middle 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.599 of that area, just like there is a number six, 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.880 So probably was a green there, and there's probably a 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.200 tea by the tea by the there's a little square or 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:08.520 rectangular raised a foot raised tea, and by number eight, 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.360 by the two trees on the top of the hill, 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.680 and number five down about one hundred yards out, there's 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.840 another one of those little te's, but I've never seen 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.680 a picture of it. One of the guys that follows 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.480 you brought up a like a nineteen thirties aerial and 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:22.679 it wasn't on there. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.280 Yeah, I've looked at that nineteen thirty seven area. Yeah, 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.960 it's it doesn't have it looks like a nine hole. 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.320 Yeah, well yeah, that's what I saw too. 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:35.360 Could be great depression. Yeah, maybe maybe it's when it 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:35.880 went out. 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:39.880 I've seen pictures where to the left of number three 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.000 they plowed at one time, so you know, maybe it 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:48.240 was a much firmer, a much firmer surface. You could 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.320 you could if you stand at number four tea now 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:52.720 and it used to Now that's too overgrown, but used 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:56.000 to be able to see. There was a definite lower 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.440 brush area and higher tree area where the fairway must 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.960 have gone down. And now everything's too tall you can't 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:03.760 see it anymore. 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:09.840 So you're your relatives built the golf course and then 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:14.080 through all the way till twenty nineteen, it's remained under 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:15.080 family ownership. 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:18.640 Yes, they had a they had a I guess there's 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:22.520 when you inherit property. There's a there's a there's tenants 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.400 in common and a joint tenancy. And I think in 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.400 tenants in common. So if you have say you have 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.440 four siblings and your parents, your parent dies, your last 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:37.080 parent dies, and they give each one of you their 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:42.760 portion of the of the of the estate in a 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:47.720 in a joint tenancy, if there's four partners in this. 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.320 When one of them dies, their part goes back to 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.520 the original the other three it doesn't go to their descendants. 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:55.480 And so that's how this was set up. And that's 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.280 one of the reasons that kept coming back into this 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:03.640 smaller group, and eventually eventually was my grandmother or my 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:09.520 mother were the last two here. So and then it 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.240 got and then the store and I, you know, and 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.800 then I in the nineties, I bought my sister out. 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:20.200 She wanted to leave and do something else. So so 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:21.800 now I'm I'm the last one. 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.239 So let's talk a little bit. I think we've got 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.600 obviously so many of our listeners, and I get lost 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.360 of emouths from people about like owning a golf course 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.599 and buying a golf course and owning a golf was 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:37.720 it like running a family a family owned golf course 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:38.640 in twenty nineteen. 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.160 There's been different cycles. So if you were in the 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.960 nineties and two thousands, it was your t sheet would 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.600 be full all the time, you know, you didn't really 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.079 In fact, at some point I didn't even take that many, honest, 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.559 so I didn't want to. I didn't want to push 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.600 my regulars away. And now you move to this time, 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:58.680 and now it's like there's not many of that and 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:02.040 everybody is going trying to do events because there's more 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.960 money involved with it. There's probably more ancillary products you 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.959 can sell. People are here for a longer period of 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:13.160 time for food and beverage. That's kind of where it's 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.480 gone to. Where you know, you you know, do you 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.480 you know, used to be we'd have people from six 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.160 o'clock in the morning, five thirty, they'd be here now 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.040 seven maybe you know it's and that's not that's sporadic. 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:27.920 You know, so I'm always thinking about giving a special 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.240 on a weekend on a Saturday to come early. I 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.160 know it's probably not true. And you know, if you 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:38.560 go closer, more populated areas, but you know, there's a 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.600 you know, it seems like there's been because of this, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:49.800 the the lack of courses, there's been a you know, 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.640 a stagnation in demand. So the price you can charge 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:53.360 is stagnated. 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:58.439 Also, have your how much have your price has changed? 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.160 It's like say that early two. 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.720 Thousands that I'd say that from the early two thousands, 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:14.320 they may have let's see, well in the early two thousands, 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.800 we might not have had carts either, so that's the difference. 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.120 They probably went up. I would say fifty percent the 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.559 green fee prices, and then people because this course is hilly, 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.559 they do use it. There's a lot of cart usage, 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.600 so I'd say maybe fifty percent from that time. But 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.040 you know, you know, probably in the last five years, 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.160 if you know, if it's a dollar and you know 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.440 on a say, on a twenty dollars green fee, if 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.400 it's a dollar, that's you know, that's probably what it's been. 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.440 And for a long time, expenses were stagnan too, but 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.120 now they you know, they go up. It's you know, 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.960 I bought a used rough More for eighteen thousand dollars 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:58.120 this year, you know it it uh, it retails a 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.760 brand new it's like sixty thousand. You know, there's no way, 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:02.800 of course, I'm not even sure how some of the 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.720 bigger courses can afford to have because they are going 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:07.319 to have multiples of this, you know, or I only 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:13.760 have one of these. So from that standpoint, you know 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.040 that you know that that's made it a little tough. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.119 You know, there was a time I wanted to expand 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:24.360 to eighteen holes and bought purchase land around me. I'm 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.760 not sure that. I'm not sure that that would be 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.120 well I'm too old now, but I'm not sure that 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:36.120 that's the best investment. Although if you could build. On 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:37.760 the other hand, if you could build a killer thirteen 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.080 hole golf course, that might work nowadays too. You know, 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.480 that's the that's the you know, as opposed to you know, 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:45.760 twelve good holes and six bat holes. You might be 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:49.000 better off of thirteen and do some kind of weird 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:53.319 marketing that way or something. But you know, getting employees 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.760 is kind of a you know, it's it's a you know, 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.679 especially in my situation, don't really make enough for a 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.880 full year time manager, year round manager to work with me, 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:08.360 and you have a I have a tranchiant workforce. So 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:12.400 a lot of them work for me for two, three years, 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.200 four years, some of them. Sometimes you know, you'll have 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.560 a kid who's going to grad school, you get seven 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.599 years or eight years because they really they drank the 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:22.679 kool aid and they like hanging out here. So they 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.199 like the work and being outside and it's a beautiful place. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:31.480 And so from that perspective, it's it's a little bit challenging. 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:36.400 I think the good things that you have, you know, 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:41.000 dealing with the employees that do well and thrive, dealing 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.440 with the customers. Talking to the customers. You know, they're 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.199 they're they're always the best and the worst. You know, 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:48.680 you get a bad one, it's really bad, but you 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.040 get good ones. And it's like one of my favorite 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.400 ones just died. And he's like you could you heat 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.520 come and you could talk about you could talk about golf. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.760 You love golf, but you could talk about all kinds 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.800 of unrelated things. And he was older and he had 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.120 this life experience and and all that stuff is that 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.480 stuff is still great. I mean that is you know, 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.240 you know, if you're in and because I have to 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:12.920 work all the time, I'm in here, and I contact 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.439 these people, you know, I get to know them, and 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.760 so that stuff is, that stuff is great. You know, 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.680 I would tell you this that this place exists because 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:27.000 my family never had any and much debt. And you know, 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.679 like I said, I bought a use more. Don't buy 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.800 new Moores. I bought a new Greens Moore because that's 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:36.800 the most important one. But and and I was and 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.920 I was willing to live this lifestyle where you you know, 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.920 you're you know, seven days a week when you're on. 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.640 From open to clothes pretty much. 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.040 Well, I mean I have people that are opened, but 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:53.720 I'm you know, I mean I do. I live like 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.120 two minutes away. I grew up across the parking lot 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:58.400 and live there for a long time now on the 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.640 other side of number nine Green. I don't know when 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.360 you took that picture. There's a house there that's where 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:06.520 it's like can walk down the hill. You know, it's 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.080 so you're here. You know you're here, and it's you know, 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.680 it's not it's not that lucrative for the amount of 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:15.160 hours you're putting in. Yeah, you know, it's it's it's 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:19.600 a it's a it's a beautiful place, and you know, 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.440 and you do get two or three months off and 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.240 you know, you get to I get to walk to 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.240 the golf course with my dog or snow shoot with 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:30.440 my dog on the golf course, and and you know, 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:35.600 I like that. But it's it's, uh, it's not an 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:39.520 easy it's it's I don't think it's a I don't 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.280 think it's an easy go at least at least for 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:42.080 an old guy like me. 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:48.560 It's a In terms of taking care of the golf course, 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.520 do you do you get on mowers? And mow sometimes. 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.760 And do you have you know, part time staff? How's that? 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.200 Yeah, so I I have. You know, there's I have 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.040 a couple of I have a lot of retired guys. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.120 And I got a fairly moory just comes in and 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.120 cuts fairways. I got a rough moor. He just comes 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:07.760 in and cuts. 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:09.920 They're specialists. 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.400 Yeah, they're specialists. And if you can get a farmer 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.480 or a truck driver that can drive straight lines, it's 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:19.000 really good. But because professional mowing is is not just 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.240 like mowing your yard. It's a it's a you know, 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.520 it's being a professional mow is different than a guy 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.440 mowing his yard. Because a lot of guys say to me, 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:27.560 I love mow my yard. When I retire, I'm gonna 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.840 come and mow for you. I go, well, you know, 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.040 maybe that'll work, maybe that won't work. 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:33.560 But it's a big yard too. 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:34.800 Yeah, it's a big yard. 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.000 That's That's what I always say. I I like, really, 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.240 I really like mowing my yard. But you know, mowing 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.920 my yard takes forty minutes, and and a golf course 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.880 is about you know, I don't know how many times bicker, 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.240 but it's like the worlds are these are the biggest 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:51.040 yards in the world. 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:52.440 Yeah, when I was when I was a kid, we 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.720 had a we had one a five gang more in 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.160 a in a tractor and it would take well only 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.440 moan once a week. We'd start on Thursdays and it 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.560 would take us day and a half to mode. Now, 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.040 we didn't have a differentiation between rough and fairway at 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:04.400 that time. 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:05.960 It was all it was the gang out. 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:10.920 Yeah, everything was mode at the same height. Yeah. Yeah, 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:15.080 I'm you know, I'm the weekend cutter a lot unless 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.200 we have an outing than one of my one kind 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.080 of full time guy, or there's a couple of college 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.080 kids that will cut in the cut in the morning. 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.920 I do. I do all the spraying. It's like, I 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.280 figured it's my place, I'll take the risk. Plus I'm 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.960 I'm pretty amble about it. I wear gloves and and 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:37.440 mask and suit, and you know, I always say it's 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.360 like I walk out, I go up the Pillsbury dope 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:45.760 boys out there again. So but uh, you know, and 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:49.680 I spray on. I spray as as needed. So I 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.480 I have a degree in metallurgical engineering, but I have 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:56.120 read a lot of turf books and I go to 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.680 I go to a lot of turf education, and so 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.680 there's kind of a monitoring of the trying to monitor 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:07.199 the weather just to decide when to spray. You know. 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:09.800 Yeah, don't want to spray right before rain. 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.399 No, or but you do. Got to spray when you 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:16.159 got a certain you know, temperature and humidity range, you know, 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:21.800 I do, you know, I am. I am going to try, 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.480 like hell not to you know. I played at University 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.840 would Ridge once and I was playing and my ball 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:31.240 was here and and the guy was spraying. He stopped 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.600 six inches short of my ball and started six inches 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.960 past my ball. I try not to. You're not really 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.240 supposed to do that. According when I try not to 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.960 do that, you know, I try to. So that limits 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.200 spraying time a little bit too. If you're really busy, 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.160 you don't find me out there. Generally I try to 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:50.159 you know. 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.440 Yeah, and then when the weather's good, people are here. Yeah, 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:54.920 so it kind of makes it tough. 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:59.480 Yeah yeah. But but so you know, on a weekend, 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.000 like I said, I could be the outside guy, the 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:03.840 opener on the outside in the morning, and I could 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.600 be working the closing shift in here. So that's if 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.240 that's what's you know, you know, especially in the spring 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.320 in the fall when my numbers start to drop. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.880 How many rounds a year do you guys do say? 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:17.439 And in your best years? 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:22.280 And then you know, and I'd say, you know, we're 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.080 you know, it doesn't fluctuate that much. In the last 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.119 two years. It was lower that you know, the year 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.240 where we had the March that was you know, we 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.040 actually mode fairways. The only time we've ever mowed fairways 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.240 was was seventy in the March. You know, it's probably 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:42.280 you know, probably sixteen to five to maybe eighteen eighteen 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.680 thousand rounds, you know, So, and. 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:49.920 What would you say, percentage wise is from your regulars. 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:57.399 I'd say that probably sixty percent is you know, I 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.480 have I have a you know, a bunch of like 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:03.959 season A members this fairly strong league play and they 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:09.320 play besides league, you know, there's a fairly strong you know, 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:14.760 there's a senior discount fairly strong senior group that plays. 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.679 We have a we do a junior membership where they 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:21.960 have a they have a junior they have some instruction 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.600 for six weeks and but they get a membership with 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:28.119 it so they can come all summer if you want. So, 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.200 you know, trying to encourage the ones who want to 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.639 play golf. You know, sometimes you're become a little bit 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.679 of a daycare center for some people. But but you know, 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:40.600 I think that's the way it's always been for those 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:42.879 kids that are golf golf nuts. I know. 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:44.960 I think about my parents. I was like golf nutt 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:46.760 and me and my buddy would ride our bikes with 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.440 our bags, like to the muni, our local union, and 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.480 we'd be there all day, every day of the summer, 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:55.880 and like from age ten to doll you know, fourteen thirteen, 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.040 And it's like you think about I think about that 0:19:58.119 --> 0:19:59.960 all the time. If like my parents had it pretty 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:01.760 because they knew where I. 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:04.080 Was, and you know, and you know, we watch out 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:06.560 for you, and the people get to know you, and 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:09.040 you know, you know, there's how how. 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:13.040 Do you most people that come through that aren't regulars 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:13.479 find you. 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.439 I think it's I think it's word of mouth. I mean, 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:20.359 because you'll get people that just live an Eagle that 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.600 moved into the area and we have been here for 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:24.960 five years. I didn't know you were down here, and 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.160 I don't know. They'll maybe they drive by and see 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.720 the sign, they talk to somebody, and finally they decided 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:34.720 to come down here. As we talked earlier, we're getting 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.800 some people because of you and your efficacy. 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.760 And yeah, you gotta get more. 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.879 You know, there's you know, there's I don't you know, 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:49.120 I don't know how to say this too, that this 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.600 this place is kind of you know, and you asked 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.440 too about how you how we kept this place going. 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:57.880 There's like a little community of people that have been 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:01.520 invested and you know how you they volunteer their time. 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.560 You know, they'll come in and you know, oh yeah, 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:07.639 you know, you know, I had one of my my 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:11.000 brother in law's niece. I didn't have a bar card 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:13.040 person though, and two of her sisters had worked for me, 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:14.840 but she had never worked for me. But she came 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:16.600 into the bar card on a Thursday night, which is 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.000 like a sixty person shotgun. I mean, that's the worst 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:21.639 one to start with, because you're like, you have to 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:25.240 keep moving. There's somebody on the whole that want something. 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:31.560 But you know, she was like, she's industrial engineer in 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:33.879 middle management for UPS, so she picked it up. You know. 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.000 It was like, but uh so there's been this little 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:40.560 community of people, and I think that that community interacts 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:44.919 with other people and brings people in here Also, you 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:50.000 know there's guys like you know, the John Warren who 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:54.439 shoots the the yardages for your the course yardages and 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:58.359 does the slope and stuff for the Wisconsin State off Association. 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.159 You know, he knows and comes and he tells people 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:05.720 and he you know, recommends us and he's not you know, 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:07.760 just he's in the business too, so he doesn't golf much, 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:11.920 but he you know, there's just different people that you know, people, 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:16.280 different people. The Hickory Stick guys stumbled across this. 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I remember I played 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:07.520 here when I was a little kid, and I'd always 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:11.119 remembered that second hole, and that's how I kind of 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:15.400 refound it was I was driving back from I think 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:17.840 it was either Lasonia or Sand Valley, and I was like, 0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:20.440 you know, I got to stop at Eagle Springs and 0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:24.119 I just found myself amazed at the golf course, like 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:27.199 beyond just you. Obviously, everybody's going to talk about that 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:30.480 second hole because it's unlike anything you'll ever see in 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.560 your lifetime. But you get on the first hole and 0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:36.600 that's one of the most amazing greens you ever see. 0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:38.159 And then the fourth hole has got to be one 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:41.359 of the best part fours in Wisconsin. And you just 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:43.439 go around and you're like, ah, this is this is 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.919 a really great little golf course. And in terms of 0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:50.320 nine holes or nine holes are becoming more popular because 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:53.359 people have less and less time, and I think that's 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:57.240 what this has got more uniqueness and character than almost 0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:00.280 any course in America. Talk to us a little bit 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:03.560 about the course design in the history of the golf course, 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.520 as you know, you know, originally eighteen holes, but then 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:08.720 it moved to nine. And you know, I read on 0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:12.639 your website that the original designers somebody came in and 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:14.399 redesigned it in the twenties. Correct. 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:18.400 Well, not that I know of, It's always been well 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:20.960 AG's Balding I think did it. 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:23.560 And former Cubs manager right. 0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:25.000 Or Socks Socks are clubs. 0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:26.879 One of the two. I think it was the Cubs. 0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:29.560 I'm not positive though, and. 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:34.520 So is I mean, like I said, I'm sixty five. 0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:36.560 The course has pretty much been the same other than 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:40.720 we did in enlarge some of the greens and put 0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:43.240 the eyebrows and the bunkers on six, put an irrigation 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:48.000 system in, you know, large the seventh green, large, the 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:53.639 fourth green, and large the sixth green. Built some new tea's, 0:25:56.640 --> 0:26:01.639 So it is, you know, I'm not sure. What I'm 0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:03.800 not sure is Spaulding designed anymore than the first and 0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:07.160 the second hole the hickory stick. Guys have a they 0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:11.240 have a theory that Langford or Bendelo worked for Spaulding, 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:13.520 but he didn't. I looked it up because they told 0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:15.439 me they were sure because you got the false fronts 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.879 like Lasonia and and I'm like, I looked it up 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:21.919 and he didn't start working for Spaulding until after this 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:22.560 was Yeah. 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:27.880 I looked it up too. Yeah, it's somebody that knew 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:31.560 what they were doing. Definitely designed the golf course. That's 0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:35.280 like one thing that's very clear a few of the wholes, 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:39.080 like scream Tom Bendelo. But but then I talked to you, 0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:42.600 it's like, you know those those eyebrow bunkers are very 0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:47.480 Victorian style, but then you put those in and how 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:50.239 do I mean, how do you go about being in 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.199 a golf course owner? Like when do you when do 0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:54.200 you decide to add tease and when do you. 0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:58.120 The biggest time we did it was when we dug 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:00.800 the irrigation pond for the irrigation. 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:02.479 System there, and that's on the third hole, right, it's 0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:02.760 on the. 0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:06.199 Third hole, and so originally there was a series of 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:10.159 smaller ponds and streams between it, and so we connected 0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:13.159 I think three of those. So we had a lot 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:16.520 of fill to get rid of. And so you know 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.800 this this seventh hole, for instance. 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:20.360 Was. 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.560 The green and the green in the in the in 0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:29.040 the sand trap looked exactly the same, but they were 0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:33.000 half the size. So we hauled a bunch of that 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:37.280 that spoil out and and just reduplicated doug This went 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:39.639 over the old sand trap with the spoil, dug out 0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:42.360 a new sand trap, so it looks the same. It's 0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:46.919 a little bit it's kind of funky. People have problems 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:48.639 putting it because if you're on the old part of 0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:52.080 the green, it breaks down towards the fairway, and the 0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:53.600 front part of the green is a little higher, so 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:55.359 it breaks back up towards the hill. So it's a 0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:57.480 little it's a little it's a little funky that way, 0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:03.000 but local knowledge, right, Yeah, So same thing. We built 0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.199 a lot of tea's from the spoil from there. I 0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:09.520 think the sand traps on I just thought the sand 0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.760 trap sand traps on six. We brought that tongue down 0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:14.679 the greenen didn't come between the sand traps, and we 0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:17.800 brought it between them, and then I just thought it 0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:20.520 gave him more of an eye line or whatever. So 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:27.120 it's kind of I mean, I look at I look 0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:32.359 at stuff. I look at stuff all the time and 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.320 where where would be a good hole. And in fact, 0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.560 when I was going to build it another nine, I 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.840 kind of had layouts for holes. And these are holes 0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:47.080 that that if you some of it is I don't know. 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.520 I just see it and I think it'd be you know, 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:51.720 I there's a I was when I went down to 0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.840 the meeting at chicaw yesterday. We were on one twenty 0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.280 going down and there's this creek along when you get 0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:01.200 gone by that spring creek or whatever it is, there's 0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.680 a creek there in a valley there, and I we 0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:06.240 used to drive there to see my my my cousins 0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:08.280 all the time, and I've always thought that would be 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:10.200 a great place for a golf hole. I don't know, 0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:12.000 it's just some of it something is, you know, I 0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:14.840 just see stuff in or it's just I got to 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:18.000 get rid of spoils and I gotta, you know, it's 0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:21.120 like or it's like there's no there's not enough you know, 0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:22.920 a number on number one and number four because they 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:25.760 were originally just the bowls. There's no there's we're running 0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:27.120 out of you know, we got busier, we were running 0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.760 out of cup positions. You know, we just gotta you know, 0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:32.480 some of it is some of it is just need. 0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:36.200 Yeah, I think that it's that left side that you 0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:38.680 built on one looks like it's been there forever. 0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:40.960 Well part of it was, and then it just we 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:44.440 brought that. We filled in. We filled in front, so 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:47.760 they got the flat spot there, but the hilly part there, 0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:51.720 we didn't do much more than plant bent grass up there. 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.880 We didn't really change it. We didn't regrade very much 0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:59.080 or you know, frankly, we don't. We don't have the 0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:01.360 money most of the time. You know, it was a local. 0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:04.240 The guy who did the fill was we we took 0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:06.560 soil off this place. The guy who did it was 0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:09.360 a guy who grew up. He worked here, his son 0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:12.960 worked here, his daughter worked that guy's daughter worked here. 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:14.800 So you know, they have this kind of like I said, 0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:16.760 there's this community that kind of has kept. 0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:21.560 They feel like they an ownership, right. 0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.800 Right, Yeah, it's it's a it's a you know, it's 0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:26.560 not maybe it's not the most important place in their life, 0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.640 but it's a place that has some meaning to them. 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:34.000 So and uh, when did you guys do the irrigation? 0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:40.040 We started in eighty eight and I think we brought 0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:42.240 it up in eighty nine. Eighty eight we had a 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:48.320 bad drought here and h and all there was was crabgrass, 0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:54.200 and so I would I asked, I started asking, you know, 0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:55.920 my turf salesman. You know a lot of them are 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:57.760 ex superintendents. You know, what am I going to do here? 0:30:57.840 --> 0:30:59.280 Is this grass going to come back? Is it just 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:01.960 is it dead? Is a dormant? And they're like, I 0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:04.680 don't know, we don't know and I'm like, well should 0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:07.200 I put it? What about putting an irrigation system in? 0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:09.600 And they're like none of them would say anything, except 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:13.520 for the Dewey Lock who built Kettle Maraine, which is 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:17.520 just up sixty seven. He told me, he goes he 0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:20.680 just do it. He says, you'll never regret it. And 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:24.240 he was helpful, and and it's made It made a 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.640 lot of different It made the difference, and it came back. 0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:28.880 Mostly the grass did come back. It was dormant, it 0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:31.920 was dead. There still was in August. There's still a 0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.240 lot of crabgrass coming up because all that seed bed. 0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:38.720 But so that's got to be you know, your biggest 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:44.040 kind of expense, right is that when you got to 0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:46.640 do stuff in like irrigation and stuff. 0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:51.560 Yeah. Yes, it was the biggest, one of the biggest 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:55.600 dollar project that we ever did. We did again, we 0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:57.840 did a lot of stuff that you're young, you don't know. 0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:01.560 You know, my crew, my crew of kids and I. 0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:03.920 We picked up all the spoils and it's gravel around here, 0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:07.560 so we picked up spoils. We bed the trench and sand. 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.000 So we had a dump truck and we'd shovel it. Well, 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:11.920 we had a front endloader. We could put the sand on, 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:14.440 but we were in the dump truck shoveling off my hand. 0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:16.760 We did so much handwork. It's one of those things 0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.560 if you were if you knew what you were in for, 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:21.959 you never would do it. But then once you do it, 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:23.840 it's kind of like, well, a, it's a it's a 0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:27.240 big thing. So it was a really simple system. Those 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:30.280 guys from Illinois they put it in, and then I 0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:33.840 don't know, probably fifteen years ago, twelve years ago, I 0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:40.360 put in a variable frequency drive, which when you put 0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:43.800 the original system in it's either all on or all off. 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:45.360 And then you had a lot of water hammer and 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.680 we were starting to have to repair a lot of brakes. 0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:50.720 So the variable frequency drive kind of worms up. The 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:55.720 pressure kind of builds slowly, and we have not had 0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:59.040 to fix we have to fix sprinkler heads because they're 0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:03.440 all but not too many breaks anymore. And it's a 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:06.880 thirty year old system, which by all, by all means 0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:09.480 it's supposed to be. You know, I'm not supposed to 0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:09.840 be working. 0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:12.440 The thing is I think in thirty years is what 0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:14.400 they say. It's kind of here. 0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:17.600 Yeah. The other thing we did because I was always 0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:21.640 going to build eighteen holes. Is it's oversized, so we 0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:24.520 didn't run at the smallest pipe. Our pipes are bigger, 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:26.600 so that that may have something to do with it too, 0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:30.280 that you know, we built a system that could carry 0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:32.840 more a loon and then you know, heavier pipe and 0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:34.440 the bigger you go with the heavier it is a 0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:37.720 little bit. So so those are the two and that 0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:39.360 was like, you know, at that time, that was like 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.840 a thirty thousand dollars expenditure, which you know, for me, 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:47.080 again that's a big that's a big expenditure. You know. Lucky, 0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:51.280 luckily for me, the bank's been really supportive. I mean 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:56.000 it's you know, I I pay my bills and you know, yeah, 0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:59.520 but even in the middle of the crash, I bought 0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:01.760 a loose who said of about twenty four brand new 0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:03.720 cards in the bank just said okay, so. 0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:08.560 You know, yeah, your family's probably built up a lot 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.560 of good will over the last you know, some of them. 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:16.880 Were stubborn Irish people too, you know, you know, we 0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:18.800 bump our heads into things here and there. 0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:27.360 Let's let's talk about the second haul. Yeah, it's uh, 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:30.000 what was first tires reaction? 0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:34.040 Usually, well, there's people that play here because they've heard 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.720 about it and they want to play it. There's people 0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:41.480 that hate it, and uh, you know, there's pretty people 0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:44.319 that find it hard to believe, you know, that that 0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:50.440 there's a hole like that, you know. Uh. Brett said 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:53.480 that it was. He said it was the most severe 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:58.520 sloped green, raised slope green like that, and he did 0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.160 he did say, I appreciate the fact that you didn't 0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:02.879 do it. Most people would have done and cut it down. 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:04.960 When people, you know, when you asked there, as my 0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:07.239 clientele has gotten older, he said, they would have cut 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:09.280 it down and made the green bigger instead of building 0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:12.360 the extra hole off to the side. You know, he 0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:14.279 you know, I mean when I was, when I was, 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:17.040 I mean, I had it is you know, if you're 0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:19.520 on the left side, you know, and believe me, I've 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:21.600 been everywhere on that over the course of my life. 0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:26.120 It's you know, it's pretty steep, you know, it's uh 0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:28.719 you know, and when I was a kid, we didn't 0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:30.759 mow it that often. We cut it with size and 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:32.400 whips like three times. 0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:33.440 How do you mow that? 0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:38.880 Uh line trimmers? Well you can, we have a we 0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:41.200 have a you can mow most of it with a 0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:44.080 we have a toro sidewinders where the decks slide so 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:46.080 you can get change the center of gravity, so you 0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:47.839 can go up the so you can mow most of it, 0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:50.520 but the left sides all the line tremors underneath the 0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:56.719 sand traps, the top fifteen feets line trimmers. So that's 0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:00.480 you know, the back. We used to the back a 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:04.600 little better. One of my friends has got one of 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:06.560 the kids that work for me that's in the construction. 0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:10.640 He's got a track bobcat with a kind of industrial 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:13.880 more and I was thinking maybe I could see if 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:15.600 I get him to cut the back down a little 0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:19.080 bit again, because the back used to be used to 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:21.359 be to be playable back there, but it's not real 0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:22.320 playable anymore. 0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:24.879 Do you have any clue how that got bult? 0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:28.360 No, I don't. 0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:32.360 I was trying to think it could be either like rubble. 0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:33.880 Maybe they piled up rubble. 0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:37.759 Yeah, I'm guessing that, you know, basically, because you know 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:41.960 you have you know, the tee off is a ridge, 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:44.839 so maybe there was just a ridge and maybe there 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:46.680 was water washed out. I don't know, maybe it was 0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.840 roughly there. You know, my family and there's another family 0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:53.319 on the lake. Supposedly there's connected with Lake Lulu, and 0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.759 they use scoops with horses to haul fill to haul 0:36:56.840 --> 0:37:00.560 you know, I don't know. Maybe they hauled phill that way. 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:05.560 Maybe they scooped out, you know, down to the right 0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:07.319 where the new two is, there's a hole there. Maybe 0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:09.920 they were scooped they scooped out and had horses dragged 0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:10.399 up the hill. 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:16.640 I don't know how tall is it from the left side. 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:19.520 Well, it's hard to say because it falls all the 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:23.200 way away from you to the fairway's gone, because it's 0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:25.399 on it. That's still part of the hill down there. 0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:33.440 You know, i'd say the twenty twenty five feet maybe 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:35.040 when you get off by the fairway. 0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:39.520 You know, I was saying, I say, I was gonna 0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.359 say thirty. It's got to be ten yards up, yeah, 0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:44.719 at least, yeah, maybe more. Yeah. 0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:47.200 And there's you know, there's you know, it's you know, 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:49.160 when I was when I was a kid, you you know, 0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:51.080 you could you know, I think you just had a 0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:53.760 nine iron. I could the grass. The grass was longer 0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:55.400 and the greens was slower, but I could pop it 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:57.320 up and keep it on there. When I was a kid, 0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:00.440 and you know, now I struggled with a sixty degree open, 0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.319 although if you're it's and the grass is fairly tight 0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:06.920 down there. If you have a bad lie, though a 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:09.000 lot of my older guys will just Texas wedge it 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.399 up the hill. They've gotten down where they know how 0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:13.600 hard to hit that putter and it just goes, it 0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:16.080 bounces up and you know. And when I was younger, 0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:17.719 I learned that I skulled a shot and it hit 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:19.319 it two thirds of the way up and it pops up. 0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:21.400 And so so if you have a bad lie that 0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:23.640 way that that's as supposed hitting a putter, I'm more 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:25.359 like trying to slam it into the hill and pop 0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:25.640 it up. 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:30.280 But so you have ten holes and you have a 0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:33.319 you have an alternate second hall. Yes, what was the 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:36.400 why Why was that built? 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:42.759 Because my customers were, my older customers were starting not 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:46.279 to play number two. They'd take a six and they 0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:48.920 would drive by, and my joke was that they would 0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:52.799 pretty similar to start driving by my driveway. So it 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:57.560 was to provide them was with an alternative because really, 0:38:57.640 --> 0:38:59.360 if you if you if you're not in shape to 0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:01.520 climb around too, as long as you're on the ramp, 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:04.120 you're fine, and you're on the green you're fine, but 0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:07.000 it's a little bit of a struggle for every everywhere else. 0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:13.280 Even you see these old guys who hate sand traps 0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:16.000 and then they get they're cheering for the sand trap 0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:17.160 to catch her because I didn't want to be on 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:19.120 the side of the hill. Even though that sand traps 0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:22.520 not easy for a person to hit out of it. 0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:27.240 But so so we built this over four or five years, 0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:29.560 we started to grub this out and we built this 0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:34.920 and typically yeah, yeah, I mean that's a lot of 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:39.440 the seniors play it. The women's league, Women's league plays it, 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:43.520 although there's a lot of them are seniors. Also, it's 0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:45.839 it's also if you miss it, it's difficult to get 0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:48.080 on too. It's not you know, it needs there needs 0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:49.640 to be some more grubbing done around that. 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:53.160 But it would help private turf down there too. Yeah, 0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:57.640 but that's it's it's hard. Yeah, don't have the huge 0:39:57.640 --> 0:39:58.560 staff right. 0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:00.400 Right well, and the thing too for so that for 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:06.040 the green, we had a problem. We tried to make 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:08.080 a push up green because all the other greens are 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:11.080 push up greens native soil, and I think we had 0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.800 too much clay in the soil. So we've been trying 0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:16.960 to amend it with sand to try to get a 0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:19.640 little more woamy. So we've had a little bit of 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:24.239 trouble with certain spots down there and the drainage comes 0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:27.000 through there, and we didn't do a very good job 0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:32.000 with the surface drainage either. On the left. I think 0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:34.200 my construction friend was trying to save me money as 0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:38.319 opposed to and we tried. We thought we'd try it, 0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:41.239 and then it really really hasn't worked out. 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:45.560 So being the owner and you know, deciding these things, 0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:49.239 like how many times have you seen where you've tried 0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:52.000 to save money with something, but then in the long term, 0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:56.759 because of either maintenance time or or breaking down, it 0:40:57.360 --> 0:40:59.680 ends up costing you lots. 0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:02.080 You know, because I've been I've been doing it for 0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:06.640 a long time, and and there's people that come and said, 0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:08.359 you know, the golfer and said, have you ever thought 0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:11.239 about doing this? And I go, yeah, we probably even 0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:14.879 tried it and it doesn't work. It didn't work that time. 0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.000 I can't tell you that if you know, somebody was 0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:19.920 a little because I'm I'm really open to anybody, you know, 0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:21.440 I don't I don't care who you are. If you're 0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:23.600 the fifteen year old that just walk around the properties 0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:25.279 said how come we do that? Couldn't you do this? 0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:27.840 And it's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe that's a 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:32.040 good idea. I'm open to that anything anybody. So, but 0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:34.040 a lot we have tried a lot of a lot 0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:41.799 of different different approaches or you know, so it ends 0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.440 up you you pretty much you can go to you 0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:45.759 hit to go have to go to back to the 0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:49.600 basics and you know, can you can you top press 0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:52.200 with the old stole drop drop top wrestlers as opposed 0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:55.120 to the new style, avoid spending the money on the spinners, 0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:59.399 or you know, we've or we've this now we've now 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.560 we've gone to going with fertilizer sprudders and buying bagsand 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:07.560 to top dress more often. You know. So it just 0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:10.920 you know, there's and you know, and and stuff in 0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:17.560 the Gulf maintenance that falls in and out of fashion too. Yeah, 0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:20.000 I mean it's not all it's not you know, there's 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.200 some pretty much basics, but there's stuff that falls in 0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:22.960 and out of fashion. 0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:30.080 So definitely trend. You know, in terms of what what 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:32.279 would you say as an owner, you look back on 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.080 and laugh most about as you're you know, like I 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:38.560 can't believe I thought that work would work. 0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:40.719 One of my friends and I were just trying to 0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:43.480 pull a truck. Pop the transmission popped up. We try 0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:46.160 to pull with the goods story, pull it into a wall, 0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:52.320 we pull it into a tree. I mean, it's uh, 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:53.520 I'd have to think about that. 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:57.040 Yeah, what's the best decision you've ever made? 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:01.520 Well, there's probably a number of I mean the irrigation system, 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:06.560 on the on the golf course side hiring, there's been 0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:10.280 over the years, there's probably been three or four people 0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:14.200 that probably became identified with this worked for me for 0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:20.360 multiple multiple years and became identified with the place, probably 0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:24.280 almost as much as I I was, and and actually 0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:29.279 taught me stuff that I wouldn't have learned I don't 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:31.520 think if they got here. So some of it has 0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:33.640 to do with the people and and but as far 0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:39.279 as the golf course itself, it was probably the irrigation system. 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:41.960 You know. I fight with the computer system, even though 0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.040 now the millennials are going to book everything, so you've 0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:47.560 got to have the computer system. But I always asked Luann, 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:49.759 who worked for me for probably working for twenty years, 0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:51.680 and like, and she loved the computer to begin with. 0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:55.160 I was like, I don't know it's so much more work. 0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:57.480 It creates like another job. It does not that much 0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:03.000 better than the paper t sheet, you know. So but people, Yeah, 0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:07.000 but now you know, now the next generation does everything online. 0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:08.240 There's no choice anymore. 0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:11.120 See I think it takes longer to book something online 0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:12.560 than to call and book something. 0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:14.600 Yeah, but you know, I think it as kids don't 0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:16.640 like talking to people, That's what that's the thing. They 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:20.239 would come, they would book check in and and get 0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:22.120 their cart and go and not not want to talk 0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:23.960 to anyone, which is kind of the weird thing I think. 0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.520 But because that's one of the big things about golf 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:29.759 is it's a social for you know. I mean, yeah, 0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:31.759 I mean I was a serious player. I still you know, 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:34.240 I still play the ball down. I had call penalties 0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:36.920 in myself. But it's a game of fun for people, 0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:39.120 and you know, that's you know, that's one of the 0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:42.600 things I think is, you know, as I became I 0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:44.520 started to look at other people's approach to the game, 0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:46.640 and you know, people have fun. You know, they bump 0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:50.400 the ball, they have fun. You know, it's there's a 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:52.799 lot of ways that you know, you can you can 0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:56.600 you can do this, and. 0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:01.120 If you could do one project, say cost prohibited, no 0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:04.240 costs to it. What would you do to the golf course. 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:06.880 I would have bought my neighbor's land that the Nature 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:11.000 Conservancy just bought, and I would have built. I would 0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:14.320 have built another nine hole. That's pretty spectacular rugged land 0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:20.560 back there. And and and you know, from my perspective, 0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:24.200 you know, building is way more fun than maintaining. Yeah, 0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:27.279 that's so that's you know. 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:31.000 We should just go mow out some of those lost holes. 0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:34.839 Yeah, well maybe, except I knew where they were. 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:36.520 You know that you can find them. 0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:39.920 There's I mean, I I thought there was, you know, 0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:44.359 I thought I had some some decent holes on the 0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:49.000 layout that I you know, it's pretty pretty primitive layout. 0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:51.600 I just working on the fifteen degree rule. You know. 0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:53.719 I don't know if you you know fifteen degrees you 0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:55.920 have to That was what the guy told me to 0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:58.440 put the irrigation system in. Because he did that. He 0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:01.200 designed it so you have a center line and then 0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:06.279 you have fifteen degrees on either side, and so that's 0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:08.279 as it goes out. That's where your drive is gonna. 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:11.719 You know, you can't have it across you know, if 0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:13.760 you start crossing the fairways, you're gonna start hitting people, 0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:15.959 or if you have real estate, you're gonna start hitting 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:18.560 buildings or whatever. So that was, you know, but I 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:22.360 laid out holes. There's still one little short part of 0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:24.920 three that I think there's like a little little peninsula 0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:26.719 that's narrow and sits out on a thumb and it 0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:28.399 won't have to be long. Could you have a narrow 0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:34.880 green you're hitting ned, But that's probably not my won't 0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:36.520 be me if that does that? 0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:39.040 So do you do you have kids? 0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:43.320 I have three step kids. All of them worked multiple 0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:47.840 years here. They all care about the place. The oldest 0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:53.520 one lives in in Amsterdam, and she if she was closer, 0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:55.480 she said she would she would give a role to 0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:59.040 try to run it. The second ones just became a doctor, 0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:02.040 so she's, you know, doing that in paying off. 0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:05.400 For for medical bell Harry LOLd, that's cool. 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:08.280 And the youngest one who probably worked here, he probably 0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:11.960 worked here fourteen or fifteen years. He's getting a PhD 0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:16.800 in biochemistry at Arizona State and he well, he would 0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:18.680 like to do it. He'd like to be further along 0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:22.879 and thinks he could, you know, somewhat remotely. But he's 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:26.200 worked inside, he's worked outside he's done. You know, he's 0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:30.319 done pretty much all the jobs here. So but it 0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:34.120 doesn't appear that at he started. At this moment, they're 0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:35.000 going to be I. 0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:37.480 Mean, he could be an academic. You could be an 0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:40.120 ideal job for somebody that wants to be a writer. 0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:40.720 Yeah. 0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:43.279 Well, you know, you're just right, Well people aren't here, 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:48.160 and then talk to people when they are are here. 0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:53.239 Yeah, he well, he yeah, he's I don't know, he 0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:54.799 has this thing. He was going to be like a 0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:57.839 he was going to be an academic and but now 0:47:57.880 --> 0:47:59.839 he's you know, and even though they pay you as 0:47:59.880 --> 0:48:03.600 a science grad student, he's tired of being broke, so 0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:05.400 he might he might go work in industry for a 0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:05.919 little while. 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:09.040 So, yeah, it's hard being broke. 0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:11.719 I mean it's not like it's not like he's a 0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:14.480 cruing debt because he's They do pay him, you know, 0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:16.400 enough to survive. 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:20.160 But that's it. I mean, hopefully I'll keep going. In 0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:20.720 the family. 0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:23.879 Yeah, both the both the girls, the two older ones, 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:27.080 both of them are married here. You know, so we 0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:29.080 had big, big. 0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:31.080 Wedd I do you guys do weddings a lot? 0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:39.279 We not really, We've done some friends' weddings. You know, 0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:42.600 there's a couple of people that got married small you know, 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:47.040 half hour deals up on number five looking out over 0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:49.759 the lake up there, and they a couple of people 0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:52.640 got married up there. But we haven't we haven't moved 0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:56.719 into that, you know, that market so much, although you know, 0:48:56.800 --> 0:48:58.840 the ones we put on for the kids were pretty 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:02.120 you know, you know, it's like it's a it's like 0:49:02.520 --> 0:49:06.799 a week of work getting the place ready down here. 0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:08.560 So what are the cabins used for now? 0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:14.920 There's right now there's seasonal rentals, so the and it's 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:17.880 so they rent from May first to November first, and 0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:22.880 they're not heated. And we blew out the water a 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:24.919 couple couple of mondays ago. We blew out the golf 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:27.520 course on Sunday and blew out the cottages on Monday. 0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:31.480 It's pretty much the same people come back, some of 0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:34.960 these two cottages. Some of the people probably been for 0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:37.920 forty years, forty five years, so it's kind of like 0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:41.040 a little community. The cottage up there behind you, up 0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:42.399 on top of the hill there at the center, there's 0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:44.319 a concrete building. It was an ice house for the 0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:49.359 for the hotel, and then they put porches on. There's 0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:51.759 another one that was a log cabin. It was they 0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:53.759 built as a playhouse for my mother, and then they 0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:57.040 put they put porches on it, and so these people 0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:00.840 rent it. They have access, I you know, own like 0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:03.000 eight hundred feet of the lake frontage down in front there, 0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:07.160 so they have access to the lake. And some of 0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:10.160 them golf, some of them don't golf. Some golf a lot, 0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:11.320 some of them just golf a little. 0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:16.439 That's a cool place. Everybody should come by if they're 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:19.520 in the area. Drive by. You're in Milwaukee, come here. 0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:21.480 Well, I mean, and there's springs down there. If you've 0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:23.560 never seen a bubbling spring, they're down in the front there, 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:24.600 there's bubbling springs. 0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:27.319 Yeah, so it's is it bubbling now? 0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:28.040 Yeah? 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:31.359 Oh yeah, it's crazy. It's cold. 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:35.040 It doesn't really freeze. Those ponds, little springs don't really freeze. 0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:38.080 It might get if you got really really cold, weak, 0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:40.719 you might get a skim, but as soon as it 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:43.600 gets back up to fifteen or twenty it comes off 0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:44.080 right away. 0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:47.680 So is it how warms the water in the summer there. 0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:50.080 In the springs? I think it's in the forties. 0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:52.040 Oh, so I'd say it's really cold. 0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:56.359 There was a back in an earlier iteration. We used 0:50:56.360 --> 0:50:58.520 to water out of the bigger pond down there, and 0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:02.239 there's a concrete building and and periodically you have to 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:04.400 go and clean the filter in there, and so you 0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:07.560 have to go walk in the pond and and by 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:10.160 the time you got done here were not quite numb. 0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:12.319 But but you get out and you get it's like 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:14.359 eighty degrees and you come out and your legs are 0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:20.720 really cold. Hit burns like crazy. It's like, yeah, burns 0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:22.440 like But you know, you had to do it because 0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:25.680 that was the only and you could only water like 0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:27.640 three holes at a time, and you had it was 0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:30.120 all holes and bibs, so you would be dragging hose 0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:33.560 out and turning them on and so one night you 0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:36.799 water these three. We almost never watered three and five 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:40.400 only only later on we started to bring a gas 0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:41.440 portable pumped down there. 0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:44.520 And three's got to be a drainage issue, hu it is. 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:49.400 We have two, we have three some pumps that are 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:53.280 running all the time down there. You know, they're around floats. 0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:56.160 They don't pump all the time, but this year they 0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:59.759 were pumping a lot. But you know, some some years 0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:01.640 you can a pretty hard bone stone at number for 0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:04.040 number three, and the same thing on five. And if 0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:07.080 you hear in at the end of the year, you 0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:09.120 come in and you you know you, if you hit 0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:12.640 the back part of the green, you're it's it's over. Yeah. 0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:17.040 Yeah, yeah, it's a cool place. Everybody should come. So 0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:20.400 we'll see you, uh hopefully next year at the Steam 0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:23.799 Steam Shovel. But thanks for taking the time 0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:25.640 Well thanks for for asking me.