WEBVTT - TGI - Episode 307 “Truth and Consequences” 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:20.320 We recently got asked a question from the brah Meats 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.000 World guys, and I know my answer, of course, but 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:27.920 I don't know y'all's answer, either of you ever done 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:29.000 media training? 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:32.720 No, no, I don't even know what that really means. 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.560 Is that different than astronaut training because I've done astronaut training. 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:37.400 Wait, you've done astronaut training? 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.160 Oh? No, wow, I was gonna believe you. I wish 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:44.080 I wish I had. I mean, yes, I did three 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:45.400 to media training. 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.120 Like seriously, like sitting down and hey, here's how you 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:49.159 addressed the camera, here's how you talked to I mean 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:49.639 like that. 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:52.840 I don't actually know. I don't really know. I haven't 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:54.120 done it either. That's what I was going to say. 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:56.600 I don't know exactly what media training is, but I 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.520 think it's I think, yeah, I think it's I actually 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:04.280 think it's kind of what we were talking about earlier off air, 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.360 which was the way. 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.640 And how you open up and responded to interviews as 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.080 opposed to just started a podcast and reaching forward. Yeah 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.360 we're not. We're not so good at that. No, just 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.720 kind of figured it out. We just invite everybody on 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:24.960 and see what happens. I know, but isn't that? What 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:25.679 isn't that? 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:27.560 The reason we started this is because we would sit 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:31.600 down and have earnest, honest, completely open conversations. The problem 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.080 is then we'll sit down with somebody from the press 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:35.920 and still do that. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:37.160 We still do it. 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:41.319 I know, I do think this is a good I 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.440 and I think Will is this very much the same way. 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.119 But writer, maybe you're not this way. I still when 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.280 I know something, or even when I don't know, we 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.040 are currently in a situation where we know something is 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.360 going to be in the press, and I hate it. 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:00.200 I don't like being in the press. I don't don't 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:01.760 like articles. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:02.400 Being written about us. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:04.760 I knew it was going to happen when we started 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.480 the podcast, because that's just the way this works. 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.120 But I even going into it. 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.639 That was the number one negative for me of starting 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.640 the podcast was, Oh, gosh, we're going to be in 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:15.160 the news. 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:17.360 I don't think it was going to be this much. Oh, 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:18.160 I'm honest with you. 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:19.360 You have no idea we were going to be in 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.600 the news this much. Now, never could have predicted, but 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:23.880 I thought I knew it was going to happen. Ever, 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.119 and even that idea bummed me out. But I don't 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.079 think writer, I don't. Do you feel that way too, 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:32.000 or are you the type who because you are so 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:36.720 into social conversation and having those kind of dialogues more 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:41.120 comfortable with Yeah, it's honest, I said it. I'm fine 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.079 with it. Let's open up a discussion and put it 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:43.799 out into the world. 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:51.639 Yeah, but that's bad. And I think I'm just my problem. 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:53.920 I mean, I think I'm a bad famous person. Like 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.760 you guys are very good at being famous people. I 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.600 feel like I'm pretty horrible at it in that I 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:05.040 just hate it. I avoid it and so in a 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:09.400 weird way. Yes that I think that makes me probably 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.400 like like I can turn it off, do you know 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:15.799 what I mean? Like, I just I shut off this part. 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:17.960 I don't read about myself and don't google. But I 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.320 don't try try out my public image or think about it, 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.760 even to my detriment when I was acting, you know, like. 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:28.640 It would have been good to You have to think strategically. 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:32.200 About your image and how people perceive you capitalize on 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.600 that for your projects, Like that's part of being a 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:37.280 famous person, you know, you you know, create a hairline 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:38.280 if that's what you're known for. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:39.320 Danielle and you you. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.080 Do good work with what you have, as you know, 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.440 and I've never been able to do that. I've just 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.640 run away from the spotlight. So yeah, I mean, but 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.120 it's also completely different now than it used to be. 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.160 Trying So I remember back in the day, we would 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.280 be you know, you're you're on a show and you're 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.880 probably doing movies in between, or you know, voice or 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.080 whatever it is, and we all I know that I did. 0:03:59.120 --> 0:03:59.840 I'll speak for myself. 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:03.080 At one point, you hire a publicist, and so I 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.280 had a publicist for a few months. And by the 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:09.960 fourth kind of weird photoshoot or you know, talk show 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.000 that I didn't really belong on, I kind of I 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:13.600 became friends with my publicist and I was like, dude, 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:19.200 this is this is just not for me, wasn't it was, Yeah, 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.240 it wasn't about branding so much back in the day. 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.920 Now it's like you brand yourself all over the place 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:26.520 in social media, which I don't do it all and 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.440 all that kind of stuff. I mean, it's it's so 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.720 different now that it's just it's very bizarre, and it's 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.080 it's gotten worse for me where I'm the same way 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:35.360 writer or I just like I don't want to think 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:35.640 about it. 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:36.560 I don't want to talk about it. 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.640 And then you know, you read one bad thing about 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.680 yourself and it's like my my weeks. 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:43.440 Are ruined, and it's like, oh man, I don't want 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.279 to do this anymore. We're in a weird time because 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.760 in some ways we crave. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.520 Like it used to be that, you know, people would 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:55.480 have parasocial relationships with musicians or actors or whatever, and 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:59.040 that that relationship would be mediated by like editorial boards, 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.279 you know, or like we're you know, publications that or 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.400 talk shows. But now you can have a one on 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:10.120 one relationship based on Instagram or Twitter or whatever a 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.239 middle person, so that and and so that it's broken 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.640 down that control and created in some ways a more 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:19.279 authentic parasocial relationship where like you know, I know that 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.960 Billie Eilish gets on stage or Tailor Switch gets on 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:24.840 stage and they talk to their fans and there is 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.320 like you know me and I know you, and there's 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.919 like this one to But in other ways that just 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:36.240 becomes that can just become a different performance of authenticity animals, 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.320 and a more invasive one at that because then it's 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.800 like you're you're you are always performing a version of 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:45.799 who you are, you know, and that's something that I'm 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.560 you know that this podcast is really interesting because we've 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.680 invited people into our lives, you know, to a degree. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.040 But I feel very authentic, mostly because I'm with YouTube, 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:57.920 you know. Like I think if I was sitting down 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.799 with a talk show host and questions about Boy Meets World, 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.760 I would be reticent to be as open as I 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:06.080 am on our own podcast. 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:10.160 Well, I've noticed, even for us, the difference between the 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.000 way we used to respond at conventions in the Q 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.800 and A versus the way sometimes. 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.240 Now we all respond in the Q and A. 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:22.360 That our old Q and A answers were usually very 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:26.359 concise things that were mostly fan service oriented. It didn't 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.960 make them not true. It was just what can I 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.599 say that isn't going to take this too deep? That's 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.920 going to give an answer that people will understand. And 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.279 now when we do Q and AS, the questions we 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.359 get that are much more tailored and adjusted. Because of 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:46.080 podmets World, our answers have also become more truly authentic 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.920 to who we are, and so it has It's been 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.560 in some ways it's been nerve wracking to let people in. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:58.359 On the very very real, significantly. 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:02.279 Less masked versions of ourselves that every celebrity or famous 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.080 person has to put out there. This is much more, 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.360 you know, just us nake it. Yeah, And it's in 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.080 some ways been very freeing and very nice, and then 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.080 in other ways still very nerve wracking. 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:15.840 I mean I used to I know that for me, 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:20.040 it was my my you know, security blanket. I used 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.000 to just deflect everything with humor because you could do 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.320 it very quickly. You know, somebody would say something, I'd 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.280 shout out something that was funny, and then they move 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:27.160 on to the next question. 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:28.920 You can't do that when you're talking for an hour 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.920 at a time, right, It can't just be yeah, exactly right, 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:33.160 you know. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.280 So it's it's you know, it's but to what you 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.400 were saying, writer, that's that's the one of the good 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.240 and bad things. It's mostly in my opinion, bad thing 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.040 about social media. And you see it with bullying. 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:44.880 It's like when kids used to leave school, the bullying 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:45.360 would stop. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.760 They had a safe place at home. But now that 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:51.240 there's social media, it never stops. It's with them all 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.520 the time. It's the same thing with celebrities. You used 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.920 to leave the stage, we would wave we would take 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:57.600 our bow, we would get into our cars, we would 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.520 drive home, and it would just be a quiet kind 0:07:59.520 --> 0:07:59.840 of ugh. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.320 But now with social media that never goes away. 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.320 I would say though that I actually think the worst 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:08.960 period of uh being famous was like two thousand to 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:13.840 two thousand and eight ish, like before social media, because yeah, man, 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.400 that was when the paparazzi like and that's when you're 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.920 talking about Brady Spears and like the area of people's 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.680 and teams era. That was when people's lives like I 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:26.480 I mean, it's I think it was that reality TV 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.440 era where it was still in the control of people 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.160 who were publishing the magazines and publishing the TV shows, 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.560 and they were exploitative to a degree and invasive to 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.079 a degree. It was it was it was financially viable 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.000 or they were incentivized to ruin people's lives and to 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.959 invade people's lives in a way that now like we 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.120 throw the door open, you know, because we can be 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:52.080 the gatekeepers of our own privacy with social media. You know, 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:55.400 it's interesting to me that like, im like I am available, 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.640 like people can I'm on Twitter, Like if you want 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.480 to send me a message, you can't and for the 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.480 most part, people don't, you know, like people don't because 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:04.520 and that's great, you know. I'm like, Okay, this door 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.760 is always open, like you can contact me if you 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:10.320 want to. I'm you know, but I feel like before 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:14.240 social media there was more of a like uh it 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:19.000 was privacy was sort of more valued and therefore more invaded, 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:20.120 if that may like it was. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.800 Yeah. So I think like that period was way worse 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:23.920 and I'm glad it's over. 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.600 But I think it culminated in a large way with 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.160 Princess Diana. I mean where the paparazzi were kind of 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:31.520 responsible for killing this woman. 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.880 I don't know the culminated. I think it got even 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:35.880 I mean I think it got worse after that. I 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:37.679 mean that was I think that was kind of head 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:38.400 shaved moment. 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:40.559 Was that was nuts the Britney head But I mean 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.680 it was like they paparazzi helped to kill this woman. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:45.719 Yeah, it was. It's getting was getting No. 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.000 I think it's that this whole part of the same progression. 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.880 I just know that like for me, like part of 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:52.920 the reason that I wanted to keep my head down 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:56.880 and avoid anything in the public from two thousand on 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.520 was because of that specific culture, Like it was so 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.760 off to me, and I was not the type of 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.640 person that was like okay with walking into parts of 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.080 Like you were just that period. If you went anywhere 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.600 in Los Angeles that was slightly populated by famous people, 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.360 you just had to deal with being harassed and photographed 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:14.760 and videoed everywhere you went. 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.080 That's not really the case anymore. I don't think. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:18.719 Yeah, maybe I just I never dealt with that though, 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:20.200 because you never went out I left my house. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:21.160 Yeah, if you. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.760 Went out, it was like those era, like if you 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.360 went into West Hollywood or the Sunset Strip, you went, 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:30.000 it was it was crazy, Like people would I would 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.200 go shopping in the middle of the day in those 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.640 parts of town and like cars would screech to a 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.760 halt and some dude would jump out taking my photograph 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.280 and I'd be like, Hi, do you want to talk 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:39.560 to me? 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:40.040 Right? 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:41.880 And they'd be just be yelling at me like yeah yeah, 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.199 And I'm like but but like you could pull over 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:45.920 and ask to take a photograph, like what do we 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.480 do it here? We're playing this game of like gotcha? 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:50.840 That is horrifying. 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:52.040 It's a terrible feeling too. 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.600 I remember being actually scared I had a photographer jump 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:56.200 out at me at the parking lot at the Grove 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.680 from like behind a car, and I was like ah, 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:00.800 and then like now you want to talk to me 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.920 and ask me a normal question? Like you just terrified me? No, 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:05.760 I don't, what are you doing? Get away from me? 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.559 But it's really interesting because this episode that we are 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:13.920 recapping today made me. It was like, oh, what a 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:19.559 timely episode for us. Yeah, so we can jump into it. 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.560 Welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Danielle Fishall, I'm Rider Strong, 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:31.280 and I'm Wilfredell Orlando. In case you haven't heard, we 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.560 are coming to you on September seventeenth at the hard 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.240 Rock Live. Tony Quinn is going to be joining us, 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.560 and we had previously been sold out, but there were 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:43.120 just two hundred tickets released, so if you want to 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.920 be there, you've got an opportunity, but not much. And 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.840 we are also coming to Philly and New York. Tickets 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.440 are available and guests are ready to be announced soon. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.360 We will be at the Met in Philadelphia on September thirtieth, 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.240 and we will be at New York Town Hall in 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.280 the New York Comedy Fest on November ninth. You can 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:09.440 go to Podmeats worldshow dot com for tickets. Welcome to 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:13.760 season three, episode number seven, Truth and Consequences. It originally 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:18.000 aired November tenth, nineteen ninety five. The synopsis is that 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.559 Sean and Corey are on the hunt for a juicy 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.000 investigative report in their journalism class it's actually the media 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:28.600 arts class, but their scoop ends up getting Janitor Bud fired. Also, 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:32.520 Eric participates in a sleep study. It was directed by 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:37.439 Jeff McCracken. It was written by Donna Truehiho trueO trueO 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.160 t r U j I l l O. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:42.680 Do you guys remember I? 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:43.679 Do I do? Remember? 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:44.040 You remember? 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:44.400 Do you? 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.240 I can remember the name sounds so premilire. I swear 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:48.719 I have an image of a person in my head 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:50.920 if I but maybe wash she not on staff. 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.480 I don't think she was on but because I don't 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.520 remember the name. But also I have a terrible memory, 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:59.480 so I don't know. Guest stars Alex de serraz Eli, 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:03.400 will Williams Blake Soaper as Joey Joey They're at Epstein, 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:08.559 Kathy Trajissar as Monique, and Bob Larkin as Janitor Budd. 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:09.280 Who does some. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:13.600 Pretty impressive work in this episode. Before we jump into 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.600 our recap, does anybody have any over arching thoughts? I 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:20.959 can go first. I enjoyed this episode. I enjoyed it. Finally, 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.520 I feel like Season three has been a little bit 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:28.720 of a Season three has missed the mark for me 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.880 in a lot of episodes. There have been some great moments, 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.480 and I think some really funny moments. 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.880 But I liked this episode a lot. Me too. 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:43.559 I loved it. I did not think it was super funny, No, 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:50.440 but I really I loved its complexity, the way it 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:55.760 leans into ambiguity for the adults, and like so like thematically, 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.800 I feel like this is the boy meets World sweet spot. 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.040 As far as like the message, I loved it. 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:03.240 Nobody agreed. 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.880 I mean that that and Eli's or Alex is so 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.240 good as it was cool to see him finally having 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.439 a moment, and yeah, there's a lot of there's tons 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:13.280 of fun stuff in here. 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.280 I you know, the storyline was ridiculous. 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.440 It's like it's it was just so unnecessary and plugged 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.480 in that it's like, why even do it? Just add 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.240 more to the a story and give me a week off? 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.280 Because it's just really makes no sense. 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.520 Yeah, it is. It is comic relief, and it's it's 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:30.000 a good comic relief. 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.280 It's not in any way, shape or form adding to anything. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.200 It's not big Gafa laughs. It's just kind of like, oh, 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.040 it's a page of kind of like, Okay, he's got 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:39.400 no brain. 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.760 It's interesting to see if this continues to set up 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.400 the truly brain dead Eric. 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:48.480 I think I think it will. I always say this 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.280 is the genesis, this is the genesis. But this is 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:54.280 where he started to get really ridiculous, where it's. 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:55.440 Like the mouse. 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:59.280 The mouse has brain activity and Eric doesn't. It's like 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.040 that's this is when they just went crazy pants with it. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.280 I loved the A story. I thought the A story 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.520 was great, but the BET story I thought was just ridiculous. 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.480 It's also this pattern that is asserting itself of like 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.640 the beautiful woman with authority that comes into the X life, 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.600 which is not like the third time she can be 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.400 the hairstylist. She can be yeah, she can. 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.720 Obviously like a formula. I was like, well, let's get 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:25.720 an attractive woman in here, and that's why. 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.880 You know that will be They've also they set it 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:29.800 up in one of the school classrooms. 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.240 Nobody else is registered. 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.680 I mean, it's just the whole thing is so ridiculously 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:37.160 stupid that it's like it's you just didn't need it. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.240 But he just did and you were having fun, and 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.000 I think it is fun, right, Yeah, I mean I guess. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:43.640 I just it's one of those things where this is 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.080 where it started to be to me, and I distinctly 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.640 remember this week because it started to be to me like, oh, 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.000 they're doing a good television show and occasionally they're going 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.720 to cut me to do ridiculous stuff like That's where 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:55.720 I remember thinking this. I remember this week like, oh, 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.680 they're doing something like where they're acting and it's you know, 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:00.600 they've got there's good story story lines. 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:02.360 The parents have great storylines. 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.360 Phoene's got a great storyline, the kids all have a 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:05.200 great storyline. 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.440 And now here's Eric being an idiot. Like that's what 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:07.880 I remember. 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:09.360 This is where it really set it up for me, 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:10.640 where it's like, oh, I wonder if this is what 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:11.280 it's going to be. 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.960 Like yeah, I think it is. And I don't know 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.400 if that's necessarily a horrible thing. I think it is. 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.960 If you're the one constantly doing the ridiculus, you enjoyed it, 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.360 you had fun. I would rather have been in the 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:22.200 better storyline. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:23.720 I mean that's how I was every week is I 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.320 always would rather have been in the better storyline where 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:27.880 I got to act, I got to do stuff where 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.600 the comedy came from that as opposed to again, I 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.040 always thought it was like, we're doing this great show 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.640 and while they run off and change wardrobe, we're gonna 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.120 have you dance on on the stage rather than the 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:38.920 show comes back on. 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.480 And that's always what it started to be like to me. 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:42.840 It's all about balance. You know. 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:45.800 It's sort of like in cooking, and you know they 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.960 talk about like there's five different flavors yea sweet. Yeah, 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.720 so you feel like I feel like when the show 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:57.280 starts to get too dramatic, they need just some geographs 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.080 And like I came that like. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.320 Season I know, yeah great, but there's times I wanted 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:03.080 to be the main course. 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:04.600 I didn't just want to be the salt sprinkled on 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:05.359 the top totally. 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.560 That's so to use your analogy, it was, I was 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.760 always watching these great shows happening, and then it was like, 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.639 all right, now go dance for you know, a page 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:15.479 and a half to make us laugh, and then we're 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:16.640 going to get back into the real show. 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:17.280 I don't remember. 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.919 I know we've talked about this for years actually, like 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.320 you know, but I don't remember you expressing any of 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:24.040 that at the time. 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.080 Of course, not because I wasn't expressing anything at the time. 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.560 I didn't go up and I didn't go up into the. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.639 Producers and say here's what I want my character to be. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.359 I never was never doing that, So it was it 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.760 wasn't until later where I started to assert myself a 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.080 little bit where it was, you know, fifth, sixth, seventh season. 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.080 You know, by we're still third season. 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.399 I'm still doing what they tell me to do whenever 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.320 they tell me to do it. And I wasn't arguing like, hey, 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.440 wait a second, why am I you know, why is this? 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.399 And again, this was just the start, so I didn't 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:51.080 know what was going to happen. 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:54.239 But I'm guessing by six or seven episodes of this, 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:55.879 it's going to be like, oh, and let's cut to 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.600 Eric for some wackiness while we, you know, then have 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.000 the real show going on around him. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.680 After a while, it just got to be too much. 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:02.879 It was like, no, see, I don't remember. 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:05.720 I mean, I know you've expressed that retrospectively, But I 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:11.120