1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. You're listening to the 2 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast ketsays live weekdays at noon 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: and five pm Eastern on Apple Cockley and Android Auto 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: with the Bloomberg Business App. Listen on demand wherever you 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: get your podcasts, or watch us live on YouTube. 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: It's not just any Friday here in Washington. It is 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: the friday of yet another likely partial government shutdown. When 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: the clock streif's midnight tonight, funding will run out for 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: the Department of Homeland Security, at least parts of it. 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: Knowing that much of it was funded through the One 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: Big Beautiful Bill Ice specifically but TSA, FEMA, the Coast 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: Guard all could see funding running dry in the absence 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 2: of a deal that lawmakers did not reach. Before flying out. 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 3: Of Washington yesterday. 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: One of those who actually flew out and arrived in 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: Munich earlier today is Democratic Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona, 17 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: who of course sits on the Armed Services Committee, but 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: given his state and his constituency, is a valuable voice 19 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: on issues of immigration in the border as well. And 20 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: Joe actually asked him directly about the DHS shutdown, how 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: long exactly Democrats would be willing to hold the line 22 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: on this issue and allow the shutdown to drag on. 23 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: This was Senator Kelly's response. 24 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 4: What we have seen from my sover the past months 25 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 4: in Minneapolis and other cities is an agency that has 26 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 4: just run amok and is violating the constitutional rights of 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 4: thousands and thousands of Americans. We have two dead Americans, 28 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 4: we have people that have been beaten up. I have 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 4: a constituent that was just standing on the sidewalk and 30 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 4: a federal agent in a vehicle just spraser in the 31 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 4: face with mace. I mean, what is going on? I 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 4: mean this agency needs to be overhauled. People need to 33 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 4: be fired. Why are they in uniforms that tactical operators 34 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 4: in Fallujah wear? I mean, why don't they wear named 35 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 4: has they seem to not follow any reasonable use of 36 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 4: force criteria? The agency needs to be fixed in a 37 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 4: dramatic way. And until that happens, I mean, I am 38 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 4: not in favor of funding them beyond they what the 39 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 4: President gave them, and Republicans in the House and Senate 40 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 4: gave them in his big piece of legislation, which was 41 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 4: seventy five billion dollars to be spent over three years. 42 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 3: You know, they have resources. 43 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 4: They do not need more resources that will go towards 44 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 4: violating the rights of the American people. 45 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 5: We're going to have a lot more of our extended 46 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 5: conversation with Senator Mark Kelly. He spoke with us just 47 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 5: as he land is in Munich with some important conversations 48 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 5: that he is going to have ahead. As you can see, 49 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 5: Tyler Kendall is with us live in Washington, Bloomberg Washington 50 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 5: Correspondent as we try to figure out next steps here. Guys, 51 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 5: you just heard from the senator on this. Because when 52 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 5: they do come back, we're going to be hearing stories 53 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 5: about TSA agents missing paychecks. So I guess the question, Tyler, 54 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 5: is our talks really under way? Is that narrative? 55 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 3: Correct? 56 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 6: Well, if you ask the White House, they're going to 57 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 6: say that they are. In fact, we heard from President 58 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 6: Trump during the last hour speaking to reporters at the 59 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 6: White House on his way out to Marine one, when 60 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 6: he was asked if whether or not we will see 61 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 6: a deal struck imminently, he said, we'll see what happens 62 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 6: and did a firm that the two sides are talking. 63 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 6: The issue is is that publicly they seem very far apart, 64 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 6: and it's been difficult to glean even what details that 65 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 6: they are trading between each other. I did catch up 66 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 6: with Senator Katie Brett. I mentioned this in the last 67 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 6: hour of this program. She's the lead negotiator for Republicans 68 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 6: when it comes to DHS funding. She said that they're 69 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 6: making significant strides. They are exchanging the text back and forth, 70 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 6: but at this point we haven't heard really any details 71 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 6: on exactly what they are talking about and what middle 72 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 6: ground there could be. Because Democrats have held really firm 73 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 6: they believe they have the upper hand when it comes 74 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 6: to changes to immigration and customs enforcement. Those new warrant requirements, 75 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 6: the d MAS king of agents that we know are 76 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 6: non starters for a lot of Republicans well, but. 77 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: When we consider Republicans and the leader of the Republican Party, 78 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: specifically President Trump, it does seem that there already is 79 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: a shift underway, evidenced by Tom Holman pulling out or 80 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 2: announcing that there will be the pullout of those in Minnesota. 81 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: Operation Metro Surge is coming to an end. The administration 82 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 2: already is shifting tact on this somewhat, at least when 83 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 2: it comes to what's happening on the ground. 84 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 6: And I think that it's fair to say that the 85 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 6: administration was hoping that this could perhaps spurse some movement 86 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 6: on Capitol Hill. You know, you ask Republican senators and 87 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 6: they say, this is a good faith effort by the 88 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 6: administration to enact some change. The thing is, though, if 89 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 6: we take a step back and we go to when 90 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 6: these talks were percolating two weeks ago, when we first 91 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 6: got that continuing resolution, Republicans were saying, look, take executive 92 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 6: action from the President as a solution to this. And 93 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 6: Democrats have repeatedly held firm that they need to see 94 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 6: changes to Ice codified into law, that something like a 95 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 6: pullback of federal agents in Minnesota isn't going to be 96 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 6: a nun because they need to make sure that there 97 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 6: are safeguards, Democrats say, from preventing unrest in the future 98 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 6: related to immigration and customs enforcement. So that's sort of 99 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 6: the nuance here. Lawmakers feel like they really have to 100 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 6: get involved, and Democrats do feel pretty confident in their 101 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 6: issue when you look in their position, when you look 102 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 6: at the polling, and also the fact yesterday only one 103 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 6: Democrat broke ranks. Senator John Feenderman of Pennsylvania to join 104 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 6: Republicans to vote for what ultimately failed, which would have 105 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 6: been a full year fiscal year funding for DHS. 106 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 2: All right, Bloomberg Washington correspondent Tyler Kendall's, thank you so much. 107 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: And as we consider the position of Democrats here, one 108 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: of them is joining us now. Democratic Congressman DeBie Wasserman 109 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 2: Schultz of Florida is here with us on Balance of 110 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: Power on Bloomberg TV and Radio. Congressmen, welcome back. It's 111 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: always good to have you. I'd like to ask you 112 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 2: the same question that Joe post to Senator Kelly, which 113 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: you may have heard his answer to, how long exactly 114 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: are you should the party be willing to hold the 115 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 2: line to allow this partial shutdown to continue as you 116 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: seek these reforms. 117 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 7: Well, Kayley and Joe, thanks for having me again. Let's 118 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 7: just be very clear that the ball is in Republicans court. 119 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 7: What Democrats are doing is making a stand that ICE 120 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 7: and CDP are completely out of control in the United 121 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 7: States of America. We do not allow law enforcement entities 122 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 7: the right to just batter come come into your home 123 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 7: with a battering ram, banging on doors, banging down doors 124 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 7: with masked thugs who have no identification, no way that 125 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 7: an occupant has any idea who they are, if they 126 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 7: are who they say they are. Stopping people randomly based 127 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 7: on their accent, their skin color, or how they look, 128 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 7: that that's just unacceptable. And on top of that, going 129 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 7: into homes and businesses without a judicial warrant. That that 130 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 7: is the that is the way things work in authoritarian 131 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 7: regimes that undocumented immigrants or immigrants to this country fled from. 132 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 7: We don't adopt those same practices in the United States, 133 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 7: And until that kind of reform has agreed to by Republicans, 134 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 7: then I'm not voting for any more funding for ICE. 135 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 7: I believe that criminals should be deported, but that's not 136 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 7: what Donald Trump has done. Fourteen percent DHS's own numbers 137 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 7: of undocumented immigrants who have been detained had a criminal record. 138 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 7: The overwhelming majority have not had one at all. And 139 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 7: these abusive practices, the random killing of protesters in the streets, 140 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 7: needs to end. 141 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 5: Congress women, thanks for being with us. This is obviously 142 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 5: something that's not going to be solved in the next 143 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 5: couple of days here, So I wonder your thoughts on 144 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 5: this idea that's come forth from the ranking member on 145 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 5: the Appropriations Committee upon which you serve. Repdoloro's got a 146 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 5: funding deal that would basically carve out ICE. It would 147 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 5: fund the TSA, it would fund FEMA, it would fund 148 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 5: the Coastguard. It would put in a box knowing that 149 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 5: ICE has gobs of money from the big beautiful bill. 150 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 5: Is that a good idea to spare TSA, FEMA, and 151 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 5: the others. 152 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: While this has worked. 153 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 7: Out, the Big Ugly Law, the Reconciliation Law that passed 154 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 7: last summer, it basically has a slush fund billions of 155 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 7: dollars that the administration is able to use. They can 156 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 7: transfer that funding to the Coastguard and FEMA and TSA. 157 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 7: They have the flexibility or all the flexibility they need. 158 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 7: What we need to do is have a comprehensive agreement 159 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 7: that ensures that we rain ICE in that they aren't 160 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 7: abusing constitutional and human rights. Joe, I have in my 161 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 7: own just outside my own neighborhood, we had ICE enforcement 162 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 7: randomly stopping lawn trucks and arresting and detaining people randomly 163 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 7: based on how they spoke, whether they spoken another language, 164 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 7: whether they had dark skin. That is just unacceptable. We 165 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 7: can have ICE threatening to stand outside polling places, which 166 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 7: they're threatening to do under the Trump administration. They're engaging 167 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 7: in enforcement actions in hospitals outside hospitals, and schools and courthouses. 168 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 7: This is not how fair adjudication of the law works 169 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 7: in the United States. And the other problem is that 170 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 7: the administration has sent out thousands of poorly trained individuals 171 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 7: who clearly have no idea how to actually enforce laws 172 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 7: and conduct detentions under the rules and constitution like normal 173 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 7: law enforcement officers do, and that all has to be 174 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 7: rained in before we agree to additional funding. 175 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 5: Okay, so as long as the party is our oceans 176 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 5: apart here, though, Congress, would you support this idea of 177 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 5: preserving funding for TSA and FEMA while ICE is put 178 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 5: on ICE? 179 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 7: What I support is making sure we have a comprehensive 180 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 7: agreement to ensure that we rain ICE in and make 181 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 7: sure that their abusive practices stop. I don't want the 182 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 7: people that I represent, which is tens of thousands of 183 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 7: people who are immigrants to this country, lawful immigrants. That's 184 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 7: the problem here is that we have ICE stopping people 185 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 7: who are lawfully in this country, who aren't even undocumented 186 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 7: at all. They're detaining US citizens, that they're being incredibly abusive, 187 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 7: And so I don't think that the ranking member, who 188 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 7: I respect, she's my ranking member. I'm on the Appropriations Committee. 189 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 7: I don't think it's necessary for us to take that 190 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 7: action because the administration has the flexibility to continue to 191 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 7: fund those three components of the Department and Homeland Security. 192 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 7: And frankly, I don't know at the moment I want 193 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 7: to give any more money to Christy Nome. If you 194 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 7: look at the Wall Street Journal story today, Christy Nome 195 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 7: is a hot, horrific mess who if she doesn't get 196 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 7: fired or step down herself, needs to be impeached if we. 197 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: Give her any more money. 198 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 7: She's already sitting on hundreds of millions of dollars in 199 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 7: reimbursement that should already have been approved for natural disasters 200 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 7: and leaving people literally twisting in the aftermath of wind 201 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 7: fire and other natural disasters. So we need a comprehensive 202 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 7: solution here, and an agreement where Republicans and Democrats come 203 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 7: to the table and ensure that the ice abuse ends. 204 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 8: Well. 205 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: Congress someone, as you speak about Secretary Nome here, she 206 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: of course was effectively removed or sidelined from the situation 207 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: in Minnesota, specifically, in President Trump made the decision to 208 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: send in his borders. Are Tom Holman, who yesterday is 209 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: I'm sure you're well aware, announced the end of Operation 210 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: Metro Surge. They are going to start pulling out the 211 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: remaining federal personnel. Does that move the needle for you 212 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: at all? Do you find yourself happy with the job 213 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 2: Tom Holman has done since arriving in Minnesota? Do you 214 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 2: expect that this could continue in the other areas in 215 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: which we have seen this kind of ICE activity. 216 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 7: I mean, I join Minnesotans who I'm sure are relieved 217 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 7: that the administration has ended the occupation where they sent 218 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 7: out sent in three thousand ICE agents to a city 219 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 7: with a relatively small law enforcement presence. That they are 220 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 7: sending in ice. The number of ICE agents that they're 221 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 7: sending in and the amount that they're funding rivals the 222 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 7: military budget of Turkey. I mean, the overkill, the under 223 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 7: the under training, the over enforcement, the abusive practices. I'm 224 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 7: glad that they've pulled back out of Minneapolis, but that 225 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 7: doesn't change the fact that they killed two people on 226 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 7: the streets of Minneapolis who were simply exercising their First 227 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 7: Amendment right. They have engaged in brutal thug tactics where 228 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 7: no one knows who they are. They're wearing masks, they 229 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 7: don't have name tags that they aren't identifying themselves, and 230 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 7: they are going into homes and businesses without a judicial warrant, 231 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 7: which is the government is not allowed to just invade 232 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 7: your home in the United States of America. Goes all 233 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 7: the way back to the founding fathers when they wrote 234 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 7: our constitution, and we need to make sure I observes 235 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 7: the law and our constitutional principles. 236 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 5: Congrece woman, what's going to come from this story in 237 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 5: the Wall Street Journal that you mentioned about christineom and 238 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 5: Corey Lewandowski. They fired a Coastguard pilot, apparently Lewandowski after 239 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 5: g Nome's blanket was left behind on a plane, only 240 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 5: to rehire the pilot when they realized they needed someone 241 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 5: to take them home. That's the story that's getting a 242 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 5: lot of talk here. But there's much more in terms 243 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 5: of the disarray within the agency, knowing that they had 244 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 5: just recently met with President Trump to talk about what's 245 00:13:55,480 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 5: going on at DHS, A tenure that has been studied 246 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 5: by controversy here, and the story describes the seven thirty 247 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 5: seven that they fly around in that includes a private 248 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 5: cabin in the back of the plane, realizing they're both 249 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 5: married and have denied allegations of having an affair. 250 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 3: Is there a. 251 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 5: Congressional answer to this? Is there the equivalent of human 252 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 5: resources on this story, Joe. 253 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 7: The vanity project that Christy Nome has engaged in, where 254 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 7: she has essentially assembled one of the largest agencies in 255 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 7: our federal government in service of her own self promotion 256 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 7: and attention, is an outrage and she is singularly incompetent. 257 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 7: She has really hamstrung so many small towns and cities 258 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 7: across America because she has required approval of anything over 259 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,359 Speaker 7: one hundred thousand dollars with her signature to release reimbursement 260 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 7: funds for natural disaster. These are funds that cities across 261 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 7: the country and counties across the country have already spent 262 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 7: and FEMA reimburses them. 263 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: There are. 264 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 7: Funds nonprofit security grant funds that thousands of synagogues and 265 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 7: churches and religious institutions who need those resources to keep 266 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 7: their congregations safe, that she has sat on and not released. 267 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 7: It's the incompetence is breathtaking, and the violent abuse of 268 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 7: officers under her jurisdiction and her supervision. The buck stops 269 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 7: with her. So if she isn't fired or doesn't resign, 270 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 7: then she needs to be impeached. And we need to 271 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 7: turn our focus on affordability in this country so that 272 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 7: Americans are able to know that their government is fighting 273 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 7: for them to make their life more affordable. 274 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: The distraction that. 275 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 5: We say out w was the Democrat from Florida. We 276 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 5: thank you, Congressman for the insights. Christino will be before 277 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 5: the Senate Judiciary Committee on March third. 278 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 3: Stay with us on Balance of Power. We'll have much 279 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 3: more coming up after this. 280 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast. Catch 281 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: us live weekdays at noon and five pm Eastern on 282 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: Applecarckley and Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business App. Listen 283 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: on demand wherever you get your podcasts, or watch us 284 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: live on YouTube. 285 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 3: Lawmakers out of town. 286 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 5: It's a quiet day here in Washington, DC as we 287 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 5: count down to a partial government shutdown just after midnight. 288 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 5: The Department of Homeland Security, it appears, will go unfunded 289 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 5: for days, if not weeks, because lawmakers have left and 290 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 5: they'll be gone for the better part of ten days 291 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 5: unless they're called back early. Many Senators and some House 292 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 5: members have made their way to the Munich Security Conference. 293 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 5: This is an annual contact that they would not miss 294 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 5: with some important discussions around foreign policy, meeting with allies, 295 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 5: sideline meetings with other lawmakers, potentially talking about DHS. That 296 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 5: comes after an important development this week with a federal 297 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 5: grand jury in Washington declining to indict a number of lawmakers, 298 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 5: including Senators Mark Kelly and Elissa Slotkin, on charges of 299 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 5: seditious conspiracy following the video that they made urging members 300 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 5: of the military to disobey what they call unlawful orders. 301 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 5: Melissa Slotkin just spent some time with Bloomberg's Oliver Crook 302 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 5: at the Munich Security Conference talking about this very development. 303 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 3: Let's listen. 304 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 8: I don't think anyone considers it closed, and we're already 305 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 8: hearing rumors that they're going to try again to indict 306 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 8: us for our guess sedition and just review the bidding. 307 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 8: It's a ninety second video that just restates current military 308 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 8: law that you have a responsibility to refuse illegal orders. 309 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 8: All of us are service, are veteran folks, we all 310 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 8: served in some capacity, and I think you know the 311 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 8: president is weaponizing the federal government against his perceived adversaries. 312 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 8: It's right out of an authoritarian playbook. Many Europeans understand 313 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 8: that better than most Americans, and I think this is 314 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 8: where we've come to in the United States. And if 315 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 8: they can do it to a setting senator, what can 316 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 8: they do to a business leader, a community leader. 317 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 9: Is that where you see the sort of next the 318 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 9: next line of that sort of progress. Where is it 319 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 9: a flood to his own tactic or do you consider 320 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 9: something much more? 321 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 8: No, I think intimidation is the point. It's physical intimidation 322 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 8: and like a month long threats, you know, to my home, 323 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 8: bomb threats my parents or went after and then it's 324 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 8: legal intimidation, right, make me pay lots of lots of 325 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 8: money to have a lawyer and be in this legal limbo. 326 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 8: You do that to the average person, they say, you 327 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 8: know what, I'm just going to go quiet. I'm not 328 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 8: going to speak up anymore. I'm not going to I'm 329 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 8: not going to shout from the rooftops and I'm just 330 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 8: not going to do that because I know that he 331 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 8: is trying to intimidating, intimidate people to be quiet. 332 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 9: And you've had some sort of words of support from 333 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 9: a number of Republicans, perhaps not actions of support. 334 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 3: How do you interpret that? Is there more or do 335 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 3: you think that needs to be. 336 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 8: Done to Yeah again, five or six Republicans said, I 337 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 8: think the right thing, which is, look, you can't go 338 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 8: after someone out of their freedom of speech, even if 339 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 8: they didn't agree with the video. And I would never 340 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 8: want that for them. You know, the tie can turn, 341 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 8: Democrats could win again. I don't want Democrats saying, oh 342 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 8: we should go after Republican senators for a ninety second video. 343 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 8: I don't want them for anybody. So I appreciate those 344 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 8: who stood up. I would like there to be more 345 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 8: joining them. 346 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 2: Democratic Senator Alyssa Slockin of Michigan with our colleague Oliver 347 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 2: Crook at the munich Security Conference, of course, where we 348 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: also were joined by Mark Kelly, the Democratic Senator from Arizona, 349 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 2: who we heard from earlier on this hour, and interesting 350 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 2: to see them both there. Joe clearly with this issue 351 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: in the background, raising their political profile somewhat, are at 352 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: the very least elevating them to the forefront of the 353 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: news cycle domestically. Now they are abroad meeting with foreign 354 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 2: leaders in many instances or foreign dignitaries at the Munich 355 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: Security Conference. All of it profile elevating, Yes, Ad you will, 356 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: including for Senator Kelly and other Democrats who were eyeing 357 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: for twenty twenty eight. 358 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd be curious to hear what the panel thinks 359 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 5: about this, because this is an event that has evolved 360 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 5: into a platform for political messaging. You've got a half 361 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 5: dozen senators who could be on a list for president 362 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 5: and a couple of House members. Alexandria Costi Quarte is 363 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 5: going to be speaking there as well. Following jd Vance's 364 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 5: visit last year, it really changed, I guess the way 365 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 5: we look at the Munich Security Conference, which used to 366 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 5: be a pretty quiet discussion about defense. 367 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course, while Jade Vance gave the big 368 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 2: speech last year, it's going to be Secretary of State 369 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: Mark Rubio giving it this time around. So on that note, 370 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 2: let's turn to our political panel. Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick 371 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: Davis and Jeanie Shanzino are with us. Rick Davis, of course, 372 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: Stone Core Capital partner and Republican strategist. Genie is a 373 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: democracy visiting fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Ash Center 374 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: and democratic analyst Rick if we could just talk about 375 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 2: that the idea of the Munich Security Conference suddenly seems 376 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 2: to be a magnet for people who were at least 377 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: buzzing about as potential presidential contenders. Is that the platform 378 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 2: that we really think it is. 379 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 10: You know, it's served as a platform for global debate 380 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 10: quite a bit. John McCain music to rail against Vladimir 381 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 10: Putin on a regular basis, attacked the Chinese for violating 382 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 10: all kinds of you know, trade and tariff and treaties. 383 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 10: At the end of the day, it has cycled in 384 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 10: and out of importance. 385 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 3: It is very europe focused. 386 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 10: So ever since the Russians invaded Ukraine, it's been a 387 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 10: central focus of debate around the use of force and NATO, 388 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 10: you know, unity and things like that. So yeah, I 389 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 10: mean it's a place where you go get your spurs. 390 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 10: I remember when Elizabeth Warren first indicated to John McCain 391 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 10: she'd like to attend. He I would say that codell, 392 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 10: the Congressional delegation name is still the McCain Codell that 393 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 10: goes to Munich every year. So everybody was on the 394 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 10: McCain codell right now, and he questioned her as so 395 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 10: why she wanted to go. Do you want to go 396 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 10: just for politics? You want to go to learn something? 397 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 3: Those days are gone. 398 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 10: Nobody questions your motivation anymore. And I have no doubt 399 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 10: that as John, I can't used to say you, if 400 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 10: you're a United States centater, you consider yourself a candidate 401 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 10: for president unless you're indicted, intoxicated, or otherwise. 402 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 3: Well, we found a couple of them. They've already been 403 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 3: on the air here, Genie. 404 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 5: Consider the names Senator Reuben Diego, Secretary of State Marco Rubio. 405 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 3: Maybe we'll put that one aside. 406 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 5: He's speaking for the administration, but could be in running 407 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 5: in twenty twenty. Alexandria Costiu Cortes, California Governor Gavin Newsom. 408 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 5: These are some of the folks who have made their 409 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 5: way overseas. At this moment, Jeanie is whatever happened to 410 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 5: politics stops at the water's edge. 411 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 11: Those days are long over, Joe Matthew, And you know, 412 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 11: it's fascinating because we are sitting here in February twenty 413 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 11: twenty six, and we are already in the invisible primary. 414 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 11: This is what so many Americans can't stand about Americans. 415 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,239 Speaker 11: This is what so many people overseas look at and 416 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 11: scratch their heads. We are constantly in campaign mode. You 417 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 11: guys know, I'm in favor of it. I love a 418 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 11: good campaign. But that's precisely what is going on. These 419 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 11: guys and gals are all putting their foot into the water, 420 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 11: testing to see how their messages, you know, land perfecting 421 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 11: their arguments, you know, in the process of writing books 422 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 11: that they're going to be putting out. 423 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 12: All in an effort to get their name. 424 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 11: In that top you know, five, ten, fifteen who may 425 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 11: be considered for the presidency in twenty eight And of 426 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 11: course we haven't even had the midterm yet, and we 427 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 11: are on the brink of this, you know, twelve hours 428 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 11: away a partial or a fractional government shutdown. 429 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 12: So it is just another reminder. 430 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 11: Of why so many people hate American politics. But here 431 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 11: you go, they are in campaign mode. 432 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: Well, and Genie, you're right to point us to the 433 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: fact that the midterm is what we really need to 434 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 2: get through first, which could ultimately be the first real 435 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 2: test of what head wins the Republican Party potentially are 436 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: going to be facing going into twenty twenty eight with 437 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 2: President Trump not going to be directly on the ballot 438 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 2: at least we think, and yet very much could be. 439 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: And as we consider Genie could be in the sense 440 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 2: that people are going to be thinking about him. 441 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 3: When they vote Genie. 442 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: As we consider how the winds seem to be shifting 443 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: around President Trump himself, the idea that his grip on 444 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 2: the Republican Party may be loosening a bit, as we 445 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 2: saw six Republicans vote against him on Canadian tariffs in 446 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: the House this week. He didn't get or the DoD 447 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: agent was not able to get the grand jury indictment. 448 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: We were just hearing Senator Slotkin about arguably you could 449 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 2: say that there are some losses that are stacking up 450 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 2: for the president here nine months out to the midterm. 451 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 2: Do you expect that that's something that could just continue 452 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 2: or can he resolidify that grip. 453 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 11: I think there is time to re solidify. But the 454 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 11: numbers are brutal. You have him on the most important issue, 455 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 11: barn none according to Axios, twenty six points down on 456 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 11: the economy from where he was in his first term. 457 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 11: He's underwater fifteen percent on the economy today, according to 458 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 11: the Real Quick Clear Politics average, they are entirely way 459 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 11: off message. I mean, forget about immigration and everything else. 460 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 11: This is going to all be about the economy. And 461 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 11: his numbers have created the Yugo pol has him a 462 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 11: fifty one point swing among people in gen X. 463 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 12: Those are bad numbers. 464 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,719 Speaker 11: And Kayleie, since you are just back with your beautiful baby, 465 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 11: I want to tell you that the one thing that 466 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 11: stunned me so much when we talk about how off 467 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 11: message these people are in the administration is Howard Lutnik, 468 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 11: in defense of his visit to Epstein Island after lying 469 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 11: about it, said oh, don't worry. I went through with 470 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 11: my wife and kid and nanny's plural. And I cannot 471 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 11: tell you how many people said to me, you know, 472 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 11: forget the Epstein stuff. This man has nanny's and we 473 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,239 Speaker 11: can't even afford childcare, healthcare, we can't ford groceries, and 474 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 11: he has nanny's plural that he travels with on vacation. 475 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 11: It's part and person of a Epstein class that John 476 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 11: Ossip talked about last week, and that is killing an 477 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 11: administration led by somebody who says affordability is a hoax. 478 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 11: They've got to get back on message. There's time, but 479 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 11: it is quickly quickly running out. 480 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 5: Hey, Rick, Senator Slotkin said a short time ago that 481 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 5: she expects Marco Rubio to send some of the edges 482 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 5: off of JD Vance's speech at Munich last year. What 483 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 5: do you expect the administration's message will be? 484 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 10: You know, I think that they've perfected this idea that 485 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 10: by the US withdrawing some of its sort of coverage 486 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 10: in NATO, that it's made European country stronger, and I 487 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 10: think they're going to want to do a victory lap 488 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 10: on that. I think a year into his administration, defense 489 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 10: budget strategies, discussions amongst partnerships of the Europeans has strengthened 490 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 10: the European role in NATO, and sometimes that tough love 491 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 10: is what was needed to get that to happen. So 492 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 10: there's no doubt that a little different than Jade Vance's view, 493 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 10: which is Europe is a corrupted model that will never succeed. 494 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 3: I think that Secretary Rubio. 495 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 10: Has the ability to transition from that to you're stronger 496 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 10: today because of our policy, and you should feel good 497 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 10: about that, and we certainly do too. 498 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 5: Rick Davis and Genie Shanzano stay with us on Balance 499 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 5: of Power. 500 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 3: We'll have much more coming up after this. 501 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast. Catch 502 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: us live weekdays at noon and five pm Eastern on 503 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: Alpha Coarclay and Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business App. 504 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: You can also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our 505 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: flagship New York station Just Say Alexa played Bloomberg eleven thirty. 506 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 5: I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. Thank you for being with 507 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 5: us here on the Friday edition. Twelve oh one am. 508 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 5: Less than twelve hours from now is when DHS shuts down. 509 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 5: And I can say that with some credibility because there's 510 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 5: no one here to fix it. 511 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 3: I mean there. 512 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 5: Normally, you'd see lawmakers on the floor of the House 513 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 5: or the Senate or both, looking at the clock, trading ideas, bartering, 514 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 5: spending time in this speaker's lobby, then to the cloak room. 515 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: Then you shuttle to the White House. We'd be up 516 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: there live. 517 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 5: There would be a climactic victory or failure at some point, 518 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 5: in this case, just a whimper. 519 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 3: They're all gone. 520 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 5: You just saw Senator Slotkin, one of many senators on 521 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 5: Codell to Munich House members had their codels canceled by 522 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 5: Mike Johnson, but they're going to in some cases Axandrea 523 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 5: Costio Corte is going to be talking over there. I 524 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 5: guess the point is this won't be fixed in ten 525 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 5: days at least, and even then it's going to take 526 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 5: some time when they get back. So the next part 527 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 5: of this story will be lawmakers returning to Washington to 528 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 5: news that TSA agents are going to start missing paychecks, 529 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 5: and that might put on the pressure. Then again, Christy 530 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 5: Nom has her own pressure at the Department of Homeland Security. 531 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 5: If you look at this story today in the Wall 532 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 5: Street Journal, it is a doozy. It's another disarray at 533 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 5: DHS kind of thing, and we've seen these before. It 534 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 5: aims directly at Christy Nom and her top advisor, Corey Lewandowski, 535 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 5: knowing that there's been some pretty tough news around there. 536 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 3: As I read in the paper. 537 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 5: Within DHS, Noman Lewandowski frequently brat senior level staff, give 538 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 5: polygraph tests to employees they don't trust, and have fired employees. 539 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 3: In one incident, and this. 540 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 5: Is the story that it fulfills the headline, Lewandowski fired 541 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 5: a coast Guard pilot after Nome's blanket was left behind 542 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 5: on a plane, according to people familiar with the incident, 543 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 5: and the story did not end there. WSJ writes that 544 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 5: decision was reversed the pilot was unfired when they realized 545 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 5: they needed someone to take them home. DHS calls this salacious, 546 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 5: baseless gossip as the paper veers into the relationship between 547 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 5: these two. Noman Lewandowski say they are not having an affair. 548 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 5: Quote people say they do little to hide their relationship 549 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 5: inside the department. Maybe all of this comes together in 550 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 5: some kind of a deal. But somebody's leaking some pretty 551 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 5: good stuff to the Wall Street Journal to make the 552 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 5: secretary look awful and maybe advance this debate. Or DHS 553 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 5: goes unfunded for weeks or. 554 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,719 Speaker 3: Months, we don't know. 555 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 5: Maybe the panel does Bloomberg Politics can tributors Rick Davis 556 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 5: and Jeanie Shanzano join on this merciful Friday. Rick is 557 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 5: our Republican strategist and partner at Stone Core Capital, famous 558 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 5: round the world. 559 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: If you saw the Daily Mail. 560 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 5: Jeanie Shanzano, democratic analyst and democracy visiting fellow at Harvard 561 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 5: Kennedy Schools ASH Center. 562 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 3: Genie, I'm getting confused here. 563 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 5: You read this story about Christy Nome, you think that 564 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 5: the secretary might be fired or impeached already? 565 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 3: Is that a key to the deal. 566 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 11: Listen, Joe, A lady needs her blanket. I don't think 567 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 11: we should diss that. 568 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 6: Now. 569 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 11: Do you fire the pilot you need to fly that 570 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 11: you fly you home? 571 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 12: Probably not. 572 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 11: Yeah, it is quite a remarkable story in the Wall 573 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 11: Street Journal, And you've probably seen the memes going around 574 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 11: showing Christy Nome as Linus from Charlie Brown with her blankie. 575 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 11: So it's been a lot of fun in that regard. 576 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 11: In a serious note, the chaos we've been hearing about 577 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 11: for but even before the Trump administration, the Department of 578 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 11: Homeland Security has been a structural mess for a long time, 579 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 11: almost since its creation. 580 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 12: So while there micro lack. 581 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 11: Of managing, I think is the best way to say, 582 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 11: it has made it worse. 583 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,239 Speaker 12: This is not the first time we've heard this. 584 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 11: Of course, She, like Pam Bondy, they're all playing to 585 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 11: an audience of one, and as long as they have 586 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 11: the continued support of Donald Trump and he insists on 587 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 11: not taking any scalps, she will remain in her position. 588 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 12: Blanket in hand. Joe Matthew and with her. 589 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 11: You know, special governmental employee Corey Lundowski overstaying his what 590 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 11: it's one hundred and thirty days and he's overstayed that 591 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 11: by a long shot. 592 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 3: Rick. 593 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 5: When when you see leaking like this coming from inside 594 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 5: the House, what does that tell you about the stability 595 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 5: of leadership at DHS. 596 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 10: Yeah, it might have been the easiest story to write 597 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 10: for the Wall Street General Investigative team because they probably 598 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 10: everyone they called wanted to talk about this. You know, 599 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 10: it's not good for leadership, right, and this has been 600 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 10: going on since the administration started, So this isn't something 601 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 10: that they've just discovered or something that has been triggered 602 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 10: by some event. You know, Ice Barbie was doing nationally 603 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 10: broadcast TV commercials that cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of 604 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 10: dollars that had been run through a firm that Corey 605 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 10: Lewandowski had relationships with. I mean, you know, this is 606 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 10: why the White House, these kinds of things opened up 607 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 10: a review of Corey Lewandowski's role in the DHS because 608 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 10: as a special government employee, he is limited into what 609 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 10: he does. He's a consultant, he's not a full staffer. 610 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 10: He couldn't get that job. The White House smartly said 611 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 10: no to him being chief of staff. So, uh, there's 612 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 10: a lot of things that don't match. I mean, directions 613 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 10: they're giving to the ICE director about go out there 614 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 10: and show show a force. Uh, get videos up on 615 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 10: the web. We need to show what we're doing, going 616 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 10: after people on the internet on the web. And and 617 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 10: and for what reason, right, I mean the terrents, I 618 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 10: don't know. And yet at the same time, when something 619 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 10: bad happens, you know where ICE agents kill Americans in 620 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 10: the law, you know, standing around watching what's going on, 621 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 10: that that director of ICE gets lambasted by both Lewandowski 622 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 10: and the director uh for you know, being too aggressive. 623 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 10: So I mean, like you can't follow that kind of 624 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 10: direction and not have bad things happen. And so now 625 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 10: we see inside how these kinds of events can take 626 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 10: place where out of control operatives on the ground are 627 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 10: having competing orders given to them by the administration. 628 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 5: Well, you read through this story, Genie, it makes you 629 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 5: wonder what is going to come from this. Lewandowski and Nome, 630 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,280 Speaker 5: to be clear, are both married and have publicly denied 631 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 5: reports of having an affair. But as we read after 632 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 5: tabloid photos of Lewandowski showed him going back and forth 633 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 5: between his apartment and Nomes across the street. Last year, 634 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 5: Secretary moved into a government owned waterfront house on a 635 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 5: military base here in Washington that is provided to the 636 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 5: leader of the Coast Guard. We're talking about Coast Guard 637 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 5: shutting down tonight falls under nomes purview. A DHS Lewandowski 638 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 5: also spends time at that house. Genie, the DHS spokeswoman 639 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 5: Wall Street Journal talked to, said, no move there for 640 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 5: increased security. 641 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 3: Does this have to go to HR? 642 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:49,919 Speaker 12: Yeah. 643 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 11: I think the HR here is Donald Trump. And I 644 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 11: think the big question for Donald Trump is how long 645 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 11: And this to me is politically mind boggling, because he's 646 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 11: very good at politics. How long does he want to 647 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 11: keep up with this or does he want to allow 648 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 11: this kind of chaos to continue, whether it is the 649 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 11: chaos out in Minneapolis that he had to send Tom 650 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 11: Holman in to clean up, whether it is the chaos 651 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 11: of these kinds of reports. And I think the term 652 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 11: chaos appeared quite frequently in this Wall Street Journal report 653 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 11: because whatever they're doing personally, what they are not doing 654 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 11: is administering this department that is in control of the 655 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 11: issue that is beside the economy, the most important issue 656 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 11: to this president. They are not managing it properly. And 657 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 11: I would just remind people that it wasn't long ago 658 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 11: that Christy Noom went to Seacott fully enmeshed in a 659 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 11: fifty thousand dollars Rolex watch and took pictures in front 660 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 11: of men piled up like animals in one of the 661 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 11: most dangerous mega prisons in the world, many of whom 662 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 11: her department had deported against the Constitution and who we 663 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 11: now find out are innocent, and she stood there for 664 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 11: photo ops. It is one of the most deplorable things 665 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 11: we've ever seen come out of the Department, if not 666 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 11: the White House as a whole. She did it proudly. 667 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 11: She did it for Donald Trump. She's been serving Donald Trump. 668 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 11: And I think the question now is how long does 669 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 11: Donald Trump think this is working for him when Poles 670 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 11: quite show quite the opposite. I mean, you were just 671 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 11: talking to Tyler and she appointed to several recent polls 672 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 11: which show he is dramatically underwater when it comes to 673 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 11: his handling of ice, immigration and border security. 674 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 12: It was his number one issue. 675 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 11: It is now starting to be second worst to the economy. 676 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 12: That's all at the hands of Christy Nome and he. 677 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 11: Should, you know, but he should really think about the 678 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 11: political ramifications for himself and the rest of the party 679 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 11: if this continues. 680 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 3: The revelations just keep coming. 681 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 5: In this story, Lewandowski and Noma, says have lately been 682 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 5: using a Luxury seven thirty seven and Jet seven three 683 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 5: seven Max with a private cabin in the back for 684 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 5: their travel around the country. According to people familiar with 685 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 5: the matter, it's where they spend a good chunk of 686 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 5: the flight. DHS is leasing the plane and in the 687 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 5: process of acquiring it for seventy million dollars. So as 688 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 5: we're on the precipice of DHS shutting down here, Rick, 689 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 5: not only do we follow the bead on this story 690 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 5: and what many thought was the sidelining of Christy Noman, 691 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 5: Tom Homan went to Minneapolis. In our remaining moment. How 692 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 5: long has it been since we've seen Steven Miller in 693 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 5: front of a camera? Has he been sidelined publicly? 694 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 10: Well? I think he continues to speak out, but he's 695 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,280 Speaker 10: certainly not taking the lead on cleaning up the mess 696 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 10: that has been created by this administration in Minnesota, La Portland, 697 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 10: other places that clearly has been handed off to Homan. 698 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 10: In this article, the Wall Street Journal wrote, you know, 699 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 10: evidently Christine was like paranoid about Holman's crowd size and 700 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 10: how many times he was on TV. 701 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 3: Well, her head. 702 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 10: Must be blowing up this week because he's been Johnny 703 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 10: on the Spot in Minneapolis and frankly unraveled that situation 704 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 10: in record time. So it doesn't help people like Alex 705 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 10: pretty at all, but it does at least get the 706 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,479 Speaker 10: administration back on track. 707 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 5: It really does come down to crowd size every time, 708 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 5: doesn't it. Thanks for listening to the Balance of Power podcast. 709 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 5: Make sure to subscribe if you haven't already, at Apple, Spotify, 710 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 5: or wherever you get your podcasts, and you can find 711 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,399 Speaker 5: us live every weekday from Washington, DC at New Time 712 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 5: Eastern at Bloomberg dot com.