WEBVTT - Bulls/Lakers Postgame Spaces 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:17.880 Mmmmm, it's all right. Welcome to the State of the 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:21.920 Lakers postgame show on a Monday night after get another disaster, 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:27.400 something that we've become accustomed to this season, honestly a 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.440 lot over the last two seasons with all the injuries 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:34.559 that we dealt with last year. Um, but thank you 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:36.279 guys for all coming to hang out. This will be 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:40.200 on DASH Radio tomorrow morning at seven am. UM. We're 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:44.199 very excited to get to the bottom of what was. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:47.560 You know, I've predicted that the Bulls would win tonight. 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:50.279 I just don't think we have the horses to hang 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:51.879 with the best teams in the league right now. But 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:57.920 once again, that really inconsistent competitive spirit and Frank looking 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:02.560 like he's completely in over for his head. Offensively, a 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:05.120 lot of those problems that we've been preaching about all 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.520 year reared their ugly head tonight. You know what I mean? 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.959 Where where are you at right now? Mentally? Raj, can 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:13.880 we just like talk about th ht Like, is there 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.520 anything else that went on tonight? Was there actual basketball 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.440 like that went on? No? I mean, I feel like 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.039 this has been a theme with the team all year. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.720 I mean, we have blamed it on you know, injuries, 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:30.280 and fatigue, and those are all valid concerns and valid reasoning. 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:32.840 It just feels like this has been happening in third 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:34.800 quarters as well. Like I said, I was there for 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.920 the Minnesota game, and again I'm sure fatigue was a 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.400 factor there, but it just feels like, you know the 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.800 term when the wheels come off, kind of when the 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.000 wheels come offul It feels like for the team, it's 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:47.440 not just when the wheels come off, like the whole 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:51.320 car just sixplodes, like they just stopped playing. Chicago went 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.720 on a couple nine oh runs tonight and then in 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.200 the third quarter that one just balloom. You can see 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.720 their spirit really die and we can kind of get 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:01.280 into why that happened, but that's kind of how I felt. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.000 A D got ejected, I think with like three minutes left, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.520 so I think three minutes left in the third and 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.040 after that the game was pretty much meaningless to me. 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.120 Once a D went out, we really just didn't have 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:12.919 a chance. But I thought this was a winnable game, 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.680 Like I thought it was there. DeRozan and Lonzo Ball 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:18.560 went nuclear in the second half, but I thought in 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:20.600 the first half he played okay. I thought that was 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.760 Russ's best half. Like that's I thought he looked really 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.280 good and kind of saved us from from being down 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.840 like twenty at halftime. And then obviously he when the 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.280 Lakers play bad, it just kind of induces Russ to 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.639 go into his bad Russ. I guess we kind of 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.520 separated that. That's kind of where I'm at this with 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.920 with this. Like, I know Lebron's coming back, and like tonight, 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.280 it's another game where I just can't blame it on injuries. 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.480 It's like and then fatigue's maybe in the case they 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.920 played they played yesterday, but I just feel like you 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.720 shouldn't be getting embarrassed consistently as they do. That's kind 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.040 of where I'm at with this. How about you? Yeah, 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.400 I mean, you know, Roger always wants to would like 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.280 for us to start positive. I just I just can't 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.320 do that. Tonight. We are gonna. I wrote down two 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:08.320 positive notes from this game, eighties jump shot and the 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.240 fact that it seems to be continuing to trend in 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.080 the right direction and then th h T on the 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.320 offensive end of the floor. But we're not going to 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:17.919 talk about those up front. I'm not gonna I'm not 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.320 gonna let Rods do it. This is just this is this, 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:25.040 This is more of the same concerns that I've had 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.079 throughout most of the season. And you know, I thought 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:33.040 today came down to a difference in defensive pressure. Um. 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.080 This is something that I've talked about a lot over 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:39.760 the course of the last a few years, this idea 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.440 about basketball players being comfortable on the court. It's something 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.360 that I talked about on both sides of the ball. 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:49.840 For the Lakers. Offensively, I've used, you know, the starting 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.720 lineup and the idea of going small with a D 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:58.920 at the five, because I believe that getting Anthony Davis 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:03.160 comfortable offensively, and getting Russell Westbrook and Lebron James comfortable 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:07.440 offensively leads them to be confident enough and in a 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:11.720 rhythm enough to consistently make you pay throughout the game, 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:16.040 even with whatever other shortcomings come from that lineup. Well, 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:19.159 that same principle applies on the defensive end of the floor. 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:24.040 There was a reason why all of the dribble attackers 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:28.560 stood the aggressive pull up jump shooting guards that the 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.120 Lakers would play in the previous seasons would generally struggle 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:35.320 against us, and it was because from the opening tip, 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:40.159 our defensive pressure would make them feel uncomfortable. And the 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.000 best example I can give you is a matchup like 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.640 th ht on de mar de Rosen because PhD kind 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.719 of got lit on fire by DeMar dear Rosen tonight 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.880 on a bunch of different occasions in isolation, and you 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.560 might tell yourself while you're watching the game, like, oh, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.280 he contested that shot, but kind of like I said 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.960 last week, there's a huge difference between contesting a shot 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:05.040 up and actually making the offensive player feel uncomfortable. There's 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.680 a difference between having a hand up while they're releasing 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:12.080 and while they're in their rhythm dribbles, disrupting them and 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.279 making them do something they don't want to do. Like 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.520 if they're like James Harden and they like to step back, 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.520 you want to advance on them. Put them in a 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.480 position where they want to where they have to go 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.240 past you and they have to rush their decision making. 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.360 If they're a player that likes to bear down on you, 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.839 put them in a position where you're giving up space 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.000 so that they feel like that's what most teams due 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.240 to RUSS, which puts them in a position where they're 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.080 indecisive and more likely to settle for jump shots. But 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:40.120 when you're playing these guys, these aggressive pull up jump shooters, 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.080 these two Martera Rosen's and the z act Lavine types, 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.960 you have to from the opening tip make them feel 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.320 uncomfortable with defensive pressure. And if you do not, they 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.240 will get comfortable, they will build a rhythm, and they 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.800 will light you on fire. And that's what happened. I mean, 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:57.960 the Lonzo ball stuff towards the end of the game, 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.360 to me, was primarily just defensive brave downs. But early 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.800 in the game, the reason why Chicago controlled throughout, in 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.839 my opinion, was their stars were comfortable and our stars 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.040 were not. Look at what Chicago did on the other end, 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.520 it's all of this Alex Cruz alonzo ball ball pressure 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.839 at the point of attack to make people feel uncomfortable. 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:20.400 It's Anthony Davis getting double teamed on the catch every 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.119 single time he touches the ball so that he never 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.880 gets comfortable. That sort of that sort of gap and 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.839 chasm between the way those two teams approached the game 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.200 tonight directly led to the outcome. In my opinion, the 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.600 Lakers had one of their worst three point shooting games 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.239 of the season. Despite the fact that they have tons 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.720 of three point shooting. I think it's directly tied to 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.520 defensive pressure leading them to take lower quality three point shots, 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.200 leading them to that that cascading into guys getting out 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.839 of rhythm and guys missing and then the exact opposite 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:53.880 effect on the other end, And that to me is 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.680 an identity thing. You have to from the top down 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.159 be willing to commit yourself to offensively, to put in 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:05.359 the work, the dirty work it takes to make the 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.680 offensive players feel uncomfortable. And so far to this point 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.280 in the season, the Lakers haven't been willing to do that. 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:13.960 And until that changes, Yeah, you'll be able to beat 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.600 the Spurs, You'll be able to beat, you know, limited 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.960 teams that don't have these high level dribble dribble creators 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.840 who can pull off the dribble with the jump shop 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:25.480 from anywhere on the floor. You'll be able to beat 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:27.880 the teams that don't have those types of guys. But 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.200 when you when you get into the like in order 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:32.720 to get out of the West, you've got to beat 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.120 Steph Curry and Jordan Pool and Clay Thompson. You've got 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.560 to beat Devin Booker and Chris Paul you've got to 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:41.480 beat you know, Donovan Mitchell and and Mike Pond, but 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:45.080 you have to beat teams that have this archetype of player, 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:47.880 guys that can shoot from all over the floor off 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:49.840 the dribble, and so you have to be able to 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.840 make them feel uncomfortable. And right now the Lakers just 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.880 don't have that in their defensive identity, and until like 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.800 it's fixed, I don't think they can win these types 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:01.280 of matchups. Yeah, and I mean to me, like, I 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.240 know you said th Hd got cooked, but I thought 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.600 he was like our best chance defender on de Rosen 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.400 at least early on. We started a v on him 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.040 right and that worked for a little bit until they 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.000 just started using screens. They had Zach Green doing these 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.440 like ghost screen options where he just faked the screen 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.480 and come out and he got he got loose. I 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.680 think he had three threes. I don't know if it 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:23.560 was in the first quarter, but he had three threes. 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:27.000 I felt right away. Drowsen to me got cooking because 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.000 they went at Carmelo like I thought that, and we 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.000 can go and get into the Lakers offense as well, 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.280 which is awful, but just the bulls. I want to 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.920 give them credit. We'd like to just stay on the Lakers, 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.319 but they're legit good team. I think Levine and de 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.560 Rosen are an absolute handful, uh and at least in 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.960 the regular season to stop and combine that with their 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.880 ball pressure. But that's where I thought Rosen really got loose. 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.440 Like I thought that they went after Carmelo a lot 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.400 every Bradley, this is just not a good matchup for him, 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.360 and I thought he probably played too much, especially if 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.160 his shots not going. He's just too small to stay 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.120 with Levine um or de rose In and for that matter. 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.640 So I thought that's kind of where we got cooked defensively, 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.319 And you're right, the team just doesn't have the defensive 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.160 identity right now, Like these guards just aren't there. A 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.360 d has to do a ton and I thought tonight 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.280 he looked kind of fatigued as well, trying to He 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.280 was obviously annoyed by the way they defended him, doubling 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.800 him right on the catch. We had defensively, man, I 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.199 just thought we couldn't stop then de Rosen take shots 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.800 where like like you said, you think it's good defense, 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.560 but it's shots he's getting to and with the defensive 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.880 coverage we do as well, especially if we're not switching everything. 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.480 If it's a like a dropback coverage, that's shots that 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.920 De Rosen wants, those mid range pull up lavine. Also, 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.880 it's comfortable there. Alon's obviously got hot. But I thought 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.040 that's where we kind of messed up defensively. Um is 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.040 when they just went out Carmelo, they went out Avery Bradley. 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:47.800 Those dudes are just too small, and the Bulls run 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.360 a really nice offense. They have a lot of actions 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.760 that that get their guys going downhill, and I thought 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.160 that's where we lost that defensively tonight. The work is 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:01.080 done before before, like the the way I look at it, 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:02.760 because it's the way I look at it. There is 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:04.680 a lot of those types of shots, of the types 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:06.800 of shots that I like to take when I play basketball, 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.640 and like, well, once I get to my footwork and 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.400 get to my release, you're done. There's absolutely nothing you 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.320 can do. It's it's it's in my hands at that point. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.000 I mean, they're making it or I'm missing the shot. 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:21.840 But if you can do things to disrupt before I 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.160 get up into my shot making, putting me off balance, 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.280 getting me to the point where I lose control, of 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.320 the basketball a little bit, anything, anything to disrupt the 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:34.200 rhythm that leads into the release. That sort of thing 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:38.200 is far more likely to disrupt those types of players, 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.920 those off the dribble jump shooters, particularly guys like De 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.199 Rosen that are going to operate in the midrange. Those 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:45.800 kind of things are gonna do a lot more than 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.800 the contest they That's just to me, it's just bad process. 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.840 So to your point, like like there was there there 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:58.080 were possessions in that game where Derosan got advantages against 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.839 slicer defenders. I'm not I'm not glossing over that by 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.560 any stretch of the imagination, but I do believe there's 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.040 just bad process just in everywhere on the floor in 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.760 terms of bumping and like, if he's gonna run, if 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.320 he's gonna run through a specific action to get a 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.720 switch that he wants, he needs to get clipped and 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:20.080 bumped in and elbowed and made to feel uncomfortable in 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.560 the process. And again, what bothers me is this is 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.160 the kind of stuff that we used to be so 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:28.160 good at. This used to be the we would be 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.520 the team that would look up and be like, oh look, 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:35.080 Jamal Murray Um Jamal Murray struggling again tonight, you know, 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.839 after he lit everyone else on fire. And it's because 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.680 our defense would make these these types of players feel 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.760 uncomfortable and that is gone. And you know, I don't 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.000 know what to make of it, to be honest with you, 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.280 because personnel is certainly part of it. But there there's 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:56.120 definitely a lesser buy in on that front from players 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.680 that have been around guys like THHD for example, Guys 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.120 like d You know, THHD used to be one of 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.559 the most disruptive point of attack defenders and it's too 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:10.080 early in his return to to really quantify how well 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.720 he's done on that end. But the point is is 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.160 down the roster, we're not doing a good enough job 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.200 at the point of attack and off the ball of 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.040 making guys feel uncomfortable when that used to be our identity. 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:25.120 And so again, like you know, I used to advocate 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.360 for not advocate, but say that I would get behind 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:33.040 ditching Frank for someone like UM, for a coach that 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.080 that that would get the guys to play more with 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.720 a D at the five, or to you know, run 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.400 more switching defense and blah blah blah blah. Now at 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.160 this point, because Frank has adopted a lot of that stuff. 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.440 We've done a lot more switching in the last two games. 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:49.080 We've gone entirely to a D at the five. The 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:53.400 problem now is purely buying for whatever reason, And I 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.720 don't know why. And I don't know if it's because 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.320 of Frank, or if it's because of personnel, or if 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.280 it's because of Lebron and a D or what. But 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.880 for whatever reason, this group of guys just isn't committed 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.800 to the dirty work the way that previous iterations of 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.480 this team did. And I honestly, God don't know what 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.439 to make of it, Rush, but that that that, to me, 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.600 is is bizarre, and I honestly I'm not sure how 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.680 you fix it. Maybe it's as simple as Lebron coming back, 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.640 but but I don't know, Man, I'm kind of at 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.520 a loss for words at this point. Yeah, Like you know, 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:30.000 I always like to say, like blaming um, blaming troubles 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.360 all on effort isn't fair to the other team as well. Right, 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.000 It's not like the Lakers just lie down tonight. They 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.520 definitely didn't have full you know, buying in that third quarter. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:41.280 But I don't like to blame all of it on 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.000 effort as well, because I do think it is some 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.959 of the personnel issue. Now a personal issue, isn't getting 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.680 down by forty And to your point on making DeRos 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.120 In uncomfortable, I thought we gave up the switch way 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.320 too easy, like he was just able to pick on 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:57.079 Carmelo time after time, and it was basically just daring 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.600 De Rozan to beat Melow one on one, which I 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.839 thought just was like you said, bad process there, And 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.760 again I thought THHD kind of did the best you 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:06.800 could on him. All you can do really is trying 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.000 to deny the ball, make him catch it, make him 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:10.960 double pump, you know what I mean, double pump, fake 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.040 pull up, mid contested mid range pull up two's like, 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.080 that's that's a shot you want to give up as 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.080 a defense. And I thought we did an okay part 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.080 of that in the first quarter until he was able 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.000 to kind of pick on our bad defenders. I think 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.960 this is just a bad matchup as well, Avery Bradley. Um, 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.920 just not a good matchup because this team against Levine 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.640 and de Rosen and all these bigger guards, Lonzo is 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.280 probably the smallest, the shortest guard on their starting backcourt. 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.960 Caruso is not even an offensive option either, so putting 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.120 Bradley on him doesn't make sense. So you basically have 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.440 Bradley on one of their two hot scores. Like I 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.520 thought that was the issue tonight defensively, and like to me, 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.240 I'm not even that mad at the defense, like I'm 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.200 more mad on the other end. Are you ready to 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.160 move on to the offensive end here, because I feel 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.240 like that's obviously the big issue from tonight, like it's 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.000 the I'm not sure if this is on Vogel, like 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.880 again you said replacing him with Fizbell or something like 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.600 I I'm not there as well yet, Like I just 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.880 can't get there until we see a healthy team, Like 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.440 I just can't get there. Vogel is here to coach 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.920 a specific roster, and this is not the roster he 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:10.720 was set to coach, you know what I mean? Like 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:15.080 I think Lebron might be as important defensively as offensively 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.320 is for us, just as at four or five like 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.000 we needed, like he would have been incredible tonight on 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.120 both ends obviously when you have Lebron James. But I 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.520 feel like that's where I'm at with Vogo coaching. But 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:25.800 are you ready to kind of move on to the 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.560 offensive end from the defense. Yeah, so I mean, so 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.640 here's the thing, like, because it is, you know, the 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.560 person who's been on this the most in the most 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:41.520 sophisticated way, with a good combination of analytical analysis and 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.960 you know, statistical analysis and digging into the film is 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.840 our guy cranges Um. And the truth of the matter 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.760 is is like so esc and Statson Info came out 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:58.520 and said that a D got doubled fifteen times tonight. Yeah, 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:00.280 when I saw that too, I thought, I was that 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.840 seemed below, But but it's it's because it's it's it's 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.320 more about the kind of the flow of the game, right, 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.000 Like if you throw it, if you throw it into 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:12.520 a D post ups four times in rapid secession and 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.240 they quick double and you can't get anything good out 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.160 of it, then you go away from it for a while. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.720 So that that that's what that's what ends up inevitably happening. 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.920 But what Grantis was saying, and this is kind of 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.880 my philosophy behind it too, is like when a team 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.840 chooses to double your best player, that should only work 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:33.240 to your advantage. Um. The only way it won't work 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.320 to your advantage is if you have bad process in 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.840 navigating the double team. And I put a lot of 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:40.800 this on a D over the years, and I do 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.360 think he shares a good amount of the blame for it, 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:48.080 but Frank also does because you could, in theory, go 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.480 to your post, stop out of the exact same set 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.320 every time, right, so same players in same positions on 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:57.040 the floor, so that you could identify where the double 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:01.040 is coming. After you've done that once or twice and 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.119 you failed to make them pay, you should be able 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:08.480 to call the time out and rapidly address where the 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.560 doubles coming from and how to counter it. And this 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.879 is something that cranzis just talking about. He's like, he's like, 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:18.840 rather than figuring out how to counter those doubles every 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:20.359 time they would go to a D in the post 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.320 a few times in in the double team would derail 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.359 the play. They would just go away from a D 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:29.400 post ups. Imagine, imagine that that that that is everything 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.919 Chicago wants you to do. They're they're they're hoping that 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.520 they can double team a D and that you won't 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.520 be able to make them pay a couple of times, 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.879 and that you'll just abandon it and then all of 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:44.119 a sudden, your you know, six ft eleven, super freak talent, 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:48.720 power forward becomes basically, uh, someone who's just a bystander, 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.200 you know what I mean. And so some of this 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.280 is on Frank. Now. The problem is is I don't 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.360 know what you do because I don't think you can 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.800 bring some This is something we've talked about a lot. 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.760 You can't bring in some young guy who who is 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.200 an offensive mastermind, but that all the veterans in the 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.440 locker room will roll their eyes at and uh, you 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:08.480 you probably have to end and it's the middle of 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.919 the season, so you can't go too crazy. You probably 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:12.639 have to go from somebody on the current staff. And 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.119 I hate to break it to you, there's nobody on 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:17.679 the current staff who is an offensive mastermind. That's just 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.280 not the reality of our current coaching staff. So it's 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.320 kind of one of those situations where the best we 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.000 can hope for is maybe Lebron coming back solves a 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.439 lot of these problems. So you're right. I thought I 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.159 thought as far as that that that's all I had 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:31.480 to say as far as the A D doubles go. 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:32.760 But I thought you hit the nail on the head 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:34.679 in terms of just the flow of the game, like 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.520 Russ kind of carried us with his aggression and his 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.399 ability to create for himself. Um, and then you know 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.639 when the wheels come off is when Russ becomes his 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:47.040 worst because he's a he's just your textbook hero ball 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.159 type of guy who wants to save the game with 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:53.359 one shot, and he took three. I thought all three 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.000 of the jump shots he took in the third quarter, 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:56.600 we're bad. I'd have to go back and watch the 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.359 film to be a percent sure, but in the moment 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.800 they felt like add shots and you know those are 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.800 that's just kind of, like you said, the order of 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.080 operations of that kind of thing. Once the wheels start 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.520 coming off, you hope that's where you really need Lebron 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.000 because you need someone who can calm you down, not 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.000 rile you up, you know what I mean. And so, yeah, 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:17.280 I thought you hit the nail on the head on 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.800 that front. Yeah, I mean, I think, like just in 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.760 basketball sense, like it's tough to double team if you 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.000 have Lebron on the floor, right, he's just too good. 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.520 But that's besides the point here. I think the frustration 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.119 with most people, like just watching tonight, it felt like 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.640 we ran the same play thirty times and it had 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:39.040 the same exact result every single time. And like you said, 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.560 like the definition of insanity is just doing the same 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:45.000 thing every time and expecting a different output. And I 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.840 thought we just kept running that. Well, we started every 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.760 badly in th h T right tonight next to Russ. 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.679 Three guys that teams really don't respect as shooters, just 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:56.840