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Speaker 1: Lakers postgame show on a Monday night after get another disaster,

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Speaker 1: something that we've become accustomed to this season, honestly a

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Speaker 1: lot over the last two seasons with all the injuries

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Speaker 1: that we dealt with last year. Um, but thank you

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Speaker 1: guys for all coming to hang out. This will be

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Speaker 1: on DASH Radio tomorrow morning at seven am. UM. We're

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Speaker 1: very excited to get to the bottom of what was.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've predicted that the Bulls would win tonight.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think we have the horses to hang

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Speaker 1: with the best teams in the league right now. But

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Speaker 1: once again, that really inconsistent competitive spirit and Frank looking

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Speaker 1: like he's completely in over for his head. Offensively, a

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Speaker 1: lot of those problems that we've been preaching about all

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Speaker 1: year reared their ugly head tonight. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Where where are you at right now? Mentally? Raj, can

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Speaker 1: we just like talk about th ht Like, is there

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Speaker 1: anything else that went on tonight? Was there actual basketball

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Speaker 1: like that went on? No? I mean, I feel like

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Speaker 1: this has been a theme with the team all year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we have blamed it on you know, injuries,

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Speaker 1: and fatigue, and those are all valid concerns and valid reasoning.

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Speaker 1: It just feels like this has been happening in third

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota game, and again I'm sure fatigue was a

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Speaker 1: term when the wheels come off, kind of when the

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Speaker 1: not just when the wheels come off, like the whole

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Speaker 1: car just sixplodes, like they just stopped playing. Chicago went

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Speaker 1: on a couple nine oh runs tonight and then in

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Speaker 1: the third quarter that one just balloom. You can see

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Speaker 1: their spirit really die and we can kind of get

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Speaker 1: into why that happened, but that's kind of how I felt.

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Speaker 1: A D got ejected, I think with like three minutes left,

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Speaker 1: so I think three minutes left in the third and

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Speaker 1: after that the game was pretty much meaningless to me.

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Speaker 1: Once a D went out, we really just didn't have

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Speaker 1: a chance. But I thought this was a winnable game,

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Speaker 1: Like I thought it was there. DeRozan and Lonzo Ball

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Speaker 1: the first half he played okay. I thought that was

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Speaker 1: Russ's best half. Like that's I thought he looked really

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Speaker 1: good and kind of saved us from from being down

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Speaker 1: like twenty at halftime. And then obviously he when the

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Speaker 1: Lakers play bad, it just kind of induces Russ to

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Speaker 1: go into his bad Russ. I guess we kind of

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Speaker 1: separated that. That's kind of where I'm at this with

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Speaker 1: with this. Like, I know Lebron's coming back, and like tonight,

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Speaker 1: it's another game where I just can't blame it on injuries.

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Speaker 1: It's like and then fatigue's maybe in the case they

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Speaker 1: played they played yesterday, but I just feel like you

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be getting embarrassed consistently as they do. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of where I'm at with this. How about you? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Roger always wants to would like

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Speaker 1: for us to start positive. I just I just can't

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Speaker 1: positive notes from this game, eighties jump shot and the

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Speaker 1: talk about those up front. I'm not gonna I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna let Rods do it. This is just this is this,

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Speaker 1: This is more of the same concerns that I've had

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Speaker 1: throughout most of the season. And you know, I thought

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Speaker 1: today came down to a difference in defensive pressure. Um.

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Speaker 1: This is something that I've talked about a lot over

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Speaker 1: about basketball players being comfortable on the court. It's something

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Speaker 1: that I talked about on both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 1: For the Lakers. Offensively, I've used, you know, the starting

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Speaker 1: offensively leads them to be confident enough and in a

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Speaker 1: even with whatever other shortcomings come from that lineup. Well,

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Speaker 1: that same principle applies on the defensive end of the floor.

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Speaker 1: There was a reason why all of the dribble attackers

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Speaker 1: our defensive pressure would make them feel uncomfortable. And the

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Speaker 1: he contested that shot, but kind of like I said

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Speaker 1: last week, there's a huge difference between contesting a shot

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Speaker 1: a difference between having a hand up while they're releasing

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Speaker 1: making them do something they don't want to do. Like

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Speaker 1: if they're like James Harden and they like to step back,

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Speaker 1: If they're a player that likes to bear down on you,

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Speaker 1: indecisive and more likely to settle for jump shots. But

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Speaker 1: when you're playing these guys, these aggressive pull up jump shooters,

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Speaker 1: my opinion, was their stars were comfortable and our stars

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Speaker 1: it's all of this Alex Cruz alonzo ball ball pressure

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Speaker 1: It's Anthony Davis getting double teamed on the catch every

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Speaker 1: chasm between the way those two teams approached the game

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Speaker 1: tonight directly led to the outcome. In my opinion, the

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Speaker 1: Lakers had one of their worst three point shooting games

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Speaker 1: leading them to that that cascading into guys getting out

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Speaker 1: in the season, the Lakers haven't been willing to do that.

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Speaker 1: And until that changes, Yeah, you'll be able to beat

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Speaker 1: teams that don't have these high level dribble dribble creators

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Speaker 1: when you when you get into the like in order

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Speaker 1: to beat Devin Booker and Chris Paul you've got to

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Speaker 1: you have to beat teams that have this archetype of player,

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Speaker 1: just started using screens. They had Zach Green doing these

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Speaker 1: I felt right away. Drowsen to me got cooking because

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Speaker 1: which is awful, but just the bulls. I want to

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Speaker 1: give them credit. We'd like to just stay on the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: but they're legit good team. I think Levine and de

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Speaker 1: Like I thought that they went after Carmelo a lot

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Speaker 1: So I thought that's kind of where we got cooked defensively,

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Speaker 1: And you're right, the team just doesn't have the defensive

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Speaker 1: just thought we couldn't stop then de Rosen take shots

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Speaker 1: where like like you said, you think it's good defense,

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Speaker 1: but it's shots he's getting to and with the defensive

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Speaker 1: If it's a like a dropback coverage, that's shots that

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Speaker 1: Those dudes are just too small, and the Bulls run

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Speaker 1: a really nice offense. They have a lot of actions

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Speaker 1: that's where we lost that defensively tonight. The work is

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Speaker 1: a lot of those types of shots, of the types

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Speaker 1: and like, well, once I get to my footwork and

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Speaker 1: get to my release, you're done. There's absolutely nothing you

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're making it or I'm missing the shot.

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Speaker 1: But if you can do things to disrupt before I

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Speaker 1: those off the dribble jump shooters, particularly guys like De

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Speaker 1: the contest they That's just to me, it's just bad process.

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Speaker 1: So to your point, like like there was there there

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Speaker 1: just what happens. And I thought it was clear pretty

430
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 1: early that Ronald did not respect this game at all.

431
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 1: You could just tell the way he was playing. And

432
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 1: I just didn't understand those lineups either, Like just to

433
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 1: give us a chance, That's why I said, like, I

434
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 1: hope we just played Monk and Ellington a ton at

435
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 1: least we could have got some guys good shots like

436
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 1: that was what I was most frustrated with. We went

437
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 1: to eighty a million times in the post and it

438
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: just kept having the same exact result. Eighty had two

439
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: shot attempts I think by halftime or something, and you

440
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 1: can double all you want, Like that should not happen,

441
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: just in the general basketball sense, Like I don't care

442
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 1: how many times you double Lebron. He's not having two

443
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,880
Speaker 1: shot attempts. I don't care how many all these other

444
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 1: stars in the league like that's and I feel like

445
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 1: they absolutely just took him out. And the mid range

446
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 1: shots he made tonight, I feel like we were down

447
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 1: like thirties or down twenty when he started hitting those.

448
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 1: I don't know how much we can take from that,

449
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 1: but that was my main frustration from tonight. And maybe

450
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 1: Kendrick Nunn coming back, Lebron coming back fixes all these

451
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, weird lineups with no shooting on it. Like

452
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: I don't think you can play a very badly Thht

453
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 1: and Russ, Like I think that's really tough against like

454
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: a team that's doubling this much. But like, is your

455
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 1: frustration there as well, because that's kind of where I'm

456
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 1: at this with this, Like I think like a lot

457
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: of this gets fixed with Lebron, and it will probably

458
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 1: hide a lot of this stuff anyway, Like, I don't

459
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: know how relevant this stuff will become in two weeks

460
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: when Lebron comes back, because the the flow of the

461
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 1: game will change so much where you can't do stuff

462
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: like this. But that I guess that's where I was tonight,

463
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like you, I don't know

464
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: what to take. Like we ran the same post stuff

465
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: fifty million times. The Bulls defended it the same exact

466
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: way fifty million times, Like what do you what do

467
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: you take from that? That's that's precisely what what uh?

468
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 1: You know implicates Vogel because again, when you're openly doubling

469
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: on the catch every single time with the same player,

470
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 1: there has to be a counter for that. And you know,

471
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: and again I I need to go back and look

472
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: at the tape to be percent sure, because a lot

473
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,479
Speaker 1: of times in the middle of the game, you know,

474
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: I'll miss these these kinds of details. But you know,

475
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why the A d post ups

476
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the game against San Antonio last

477
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: night we're working, was because they consistently went with Wayne

478
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: Ellington and Carmelo Anthony on the week side. So it

479
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 1: just it just made it so that the angle from

480
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: which they were doubling at made you leave one of

481
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: those two guys open. But you know, this is where

482
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: it gets complicated because so Anthony Davis, we talked a

483
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: lot about how he backs away from the double um

484
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 1: with his kidd foot, you know, kind of like retreat away,

485
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: hold the ball high over his head, and immediately look

486
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: for an exit pass, usually behind him or to the perimeter.

487
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: It was getting it was getting so bad tonight that

488
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: he was dribbling away from the double like he would

489
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: catch on the block. The double would come, and he

490
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: would dribble back to the three point line to find

491
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: his his outlet. And that's where you know that that

492
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: goes to show you just how sheveled. That whole process was.

493
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: You're the guy who's getting doubled is so uncomfortable under

494
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: that level of ball pressure that he panics, which is

495
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: problem number one. And then the head coach is not

496
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: sophisticated enough offensively to identify where the double's coming from

497
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: and come up with the counter. So, for instance, if

498
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: you're doubling off of Russ every time, you could there

499
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: could be as simple as having Russ just quick run

500
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: and set a screen for Ellington's man or for mellows

501
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: man to get mellow, you know, flashing up towards the

502
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: wing where a D can make the pass. And then

503
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: you pull a D aside in the in the huddle

504
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: and you go, hey, listen, the doubles coming from this

505
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: spot every time. This is what we're going to do.

506
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: As soon as you catch the ball, immediately looked to

507
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: this spot and throw it there. It will be open

508
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 1: because we've identified where the double's coming from and this

509
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: is our counter for it. There's none of that with

510
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: this group, and to the point where they literally just

511
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: went away from the A D post ups all to

512
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: other and again that's an indictment of vogel Um. Now

513
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: to your point with Lebron, this is the partnership with

514
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: his team. The way it was designed, as we've discussed

515
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: so many times, was that Lebron would kind of take

516
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: a lot of these offensive intricacies into his own hands

517
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: and then you know, and then Frank would just focus

518
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: on the defense. And the truth is they countered the

519
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: A D double teams a lot of times with Lebron

520
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: being the entry pass. So Lebron would throw the entry

521
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: pass and he'd go to the wing and he'd be

522
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: the first pass away because that's where a D is

523
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: most comfortable throwing the ball when he gets double team.

524
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: So it basically puts you in a position kind of

525
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 1: like what they did this a little bit Marcosol last

526
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: year too, but they would basically have a D quick

527
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: kick it out and then Lebron or Marcusol would be

528
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: the one who made the complicated read at the top

529
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: of the key, you know, the past fake to get

530
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: the guy to commit one way, to go the other

531
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: way to hit the open shooter or to find a

532
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: cutter or whatever it may be. They're basically taking that

533
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: responsibility out of a D hands and putting it into

534
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: Lebron or putting it into Marcosol because he's not comfortable

535
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: handling those double teams, and so that that's where that's

536
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: where it gets tricky. But at the end of the day,

537
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: like at this level of basketball, you know, not just

538
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: in the NBA, but an NBA franchise that is coming

539
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 1: into the season was the second biggest favorite in Vegas

540
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: to hold the trophy. At the end, at this level

541
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: of basketball, you shouldn't be able to just outright double

542
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis five or six times and have the team

543
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: just go away from the play. It's just it just

544
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: can't happen. And you said yourself, You're like, oh, how

545
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: does a D end up with only two shot attempts?

546
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: Lebron would never only end up with two shot attempts.

547
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: You're right, Raj, But you know why, because Raj would

548
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: make you pay for the double team to three times

549
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: in a row. You stopped double teaming him, and then

550
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: he'd start working you from the block. That's why the

551
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: Lebron James post up has been one of the most

552
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: efficient point per possession plays of the last decade out

553
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: of any NBA action in the entire league. That that

554
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: that's the difference there is this shoot be easier than

555
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: it is. It should be easier to make the team

556
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: pay for compromising themselves by double teaming a D, and

557
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: then a D should be able to feast out of

558
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: single coverage out of that, But we just can't get

559
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: to that point. And I and it's kind of a

560
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: split in my opinion between Frank and a D and

561
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: his unwillingness thing of the ball pressure. Yeah, like that

562
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: That's kind of where I'm at with it, too, Like

563
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: a D is never going to be this amazing pastor

564
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: out of the post, and I don't think he needs to.

565
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: Like I think the like we talked about last game,

566
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: like make the reads a little bit more simple, and

567
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: I think just putting so much non shooting around it,

568
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: it's just it kind of exacerbates the issue, especially a

569
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: team as good as the Bulls are. And again give

570
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: them credit. I think Lonzo and Crusoe are a top

571
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: you know five defensive just backcourting themselves. They're one of

572
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: the best at being able to dig in and get

573
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: back to their man. So like even when they're trapping

574
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: the ball comes out, they're flying at their guy. So

575
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: where the shot. It looks open to us, but like

576
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: a badly catches it and he has a kind of

577
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: slow release already and they're already they're already at the

578
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: at the ball. So just give them credit there as well.

579
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to make this all just the Lakers.

580
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: I think the Bulls had a really great game plan.

581
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: They stuck with it and ran us out the building.

582
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I think the line of combinations with

583
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: the bad spacing, like we have cutters cutting at the

584
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: same time, like just watching like I was even watching

585
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: off the ball a lot because the game kind of

586
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: got out of hand. We throw it to a D

587
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: and Russ is like right next to him, you know.

588
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: So you saw this turnover where Russ is trying to

589
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: get a D the ball at like the high post,

590
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: but they're like they're ball denying at the top of

591
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: the key, and so like Russ throws it too far.

592
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: It's like a turnover. You see a lot of this

593
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: just really awful spacing where like Avery Badley is cutting

594
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: through and like no one respects and Avery Badly cut through,

595
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he's like six one

596
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: at the rim. So it's just a lot of this

597
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: really ugly basketball. Then again, I think Lebron clears up

598
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: a lot of this um when he comes back, which

599
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: is why I just have a tough time like I

600
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: think this. I think the the issue of a D

601
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: against double teams is separate from like the ceiling of

602
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: this team, I guess, because I don't think you can

603
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: double eight this way. But you're right, it's like bad

604
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: process though, like this this kind of stuff shouldn't happen.

605
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: Let's just you know, it's with the lineups that we're

606
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: running these Rondo Westbrook lineups these and then you have

607
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: PhD out there every bad like there's just no shooting,

608
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: and the Bulls just continue to double team. They did

609
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: not respect any of our shooters when in Ellentine was

610
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: the only really guy out there that got any type

611
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: of gravity. So I don't know it was a It

612
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: was a terrible offensive night from the whole team. And

613
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: that's where I'm more upset than even the defense. Like

614
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: De Rosen is gonna hit those shots, you know, I mean,

615
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: Zach Lavine's a crazy nuclear three point shooter. The offense

616
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: is where I thought we could have really made this game,

617
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: had a chance in this game even without Lebron, and

618
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: obviously the offense made sure we didn't. Everybody gets your requests,

619
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: and we're gonna take some callers here. I want you

620
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: guys to give your two cents on on on what

621
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: you guys are seeing. The one last note on the

622
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: A D post up thing, and it's something up really

623
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: early in the season. A D really doesn't like when

624
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: the double comes from behind him. It's kind of like

625
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: it's kind of like his blind side. So the Lakers

626
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: always clear the strong side corner on its post ups. Um.

627
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: The problem with it is he also likes to post

628
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: up closer to the elbow than he does to the block.

629
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: So what that does is it shrinks the floor on

630
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: himself because the strong side corner is effectively empty, including himself,

631
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: because he's not posting on the block, he's posting poser

632
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: to the elbow. And so now you're trying to cram

633
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: four shooters and cutters basically into the space from from

634
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: the lane line all the way through the lane to

635
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: the opposite sideline. Does that make sense? So like you're

636
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: basically you're asking four shooters and cutters to fill two

637
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: thirds of the floor, And so inevitably when what ends

638
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: up happening is the just in the way that traditional

639
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: spacing goes, you'll have a guy who kind of hangs

640
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: out on the opposite lane line extended, and then a

641
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: guy that's kind of like at the coaches line on

642
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: the wing, and then you'll have a guy in the

643
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: opposite corner. But then there's this fourth guy and he

644
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: doesn't really know what to do, and all season long,

645
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: it's been a guard in all season long, that guard

646
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: is kind of like hovered into the dunker spot off

647
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: the ball and then like set like a pin screen

648
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: for the shooter in the opposite corner, trying to find

649
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: some way to be productive. But the truth of the

650
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: matter is is by a d S fear of help

651
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: coming from the backside, it's basically caused the entire operation

652
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: to shift to just two thirds of the floor and

653
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: really closed off space on it. And so I think

654
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: a lot could come from literally just having him post

655
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: up closer to the baseline on the block. You don't

656
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: have to go all the way to the baseline to

657
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: where you can't spin back, but having your your moving that,

658
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: just moving that a couple of feet down closer to

659
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: the baseline changes the spacing. It's something we talked about

660
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: all the time in our high school practices, like you

661
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: ever want to cross the midline with an action, because

662
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: if you cross the midline, you are making it way

663
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: easier for the week's i'd help to get involved. If

664
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: you keep your action on your side of the midline,

665
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: it forces those helpers to further leave their defense their

666
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: assignments in order to be of assistance. Shutting down your action,

667
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: it's it's it's floor balance, it's basic floor balance stuff.

668
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: And so I it's been something that's bothered me with

669
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: the process of a D post up. The post ups

670
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: all season, he just he insists on catching close to

671
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: the elbow, but he also doesn't want anybody behind him,

672
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: so he clears out his strong side corner. And now

673
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: it's just part of my language. It's a cluster f

674
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: on the on the on the other side of the floor,

675
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: and it's just difficult for him to make. He already

676
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: has enough of a hard time making reads in a

677
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: in a static situation, let alone when it's when it's

678
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: like that. But anyway, I don't know about you, Rosa,

679
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: but I'm at the point where I'm ready to get

680
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: some callers up here and let them kind of dictate

681
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: what we talked about from here on out. Well, before

682
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: we do that, let's stick into the one positive from tonight.

683
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: I know you had to you had the a D jumper,

684
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: but I think th HD he's gonna be a legit

685
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: contributor on this team. Like it's it's pretty clear. I

686
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: know it's only been two games. He looked like the

687
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: third best player on the floor tonight. Honestly, like after

688
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: Levine and Alonzo, I thought TCT probably had the best

689
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: kind of flour game. Um, he just looks super impressive

690
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: ball handling, and again the game got about out of hand,

691
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: but his shot making be able to take threes getting

692
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: to the bass kid. I thought he was impressive again

693
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: again only his second game back. I think he had

694
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: twenty eight tonight, eight points um and again a lot

695
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: of some of that was in garbage time, but just

696
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: looks like a legit guy who's gonna a legit rotation

697
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: piece that we've been missing. I think he could average

698
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: fifteen to night on this team, just the way he

699
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: gets his baskets like. He looks very mature as a score.

700
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: He knows what he's doing. And again, like I said earlier,

701
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: I thought he was our best kind of matchup on

702
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: on the other wings that they had. Levine and de

703
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: Rosen a pretty nice job. And it's kind of why

704
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: I would if you're going to start th HD, I

705
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: would rather put a shooter in avery Bradley spot because

706
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: I think you could just have t HD kind of

707
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: guard that assignment and you I believe you need way

708
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: more shooting around russ A D and how you put

709
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: a non shooter and th HD in that lineup hopefully

710
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: maybe going forward and may hopefully Lebron's back but you

711
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: want to touch on th h really quick because I

712
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: think that is a positive we can kind of go

713
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: over before we get into some some colors here. Yeah,

714
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean once again, he had multiple like

715
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: NBA All Star type of highlights. Yeah, knocked down a

716
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 1: couple catch and shoot threes. That's something that I said

717
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: that I wanted to see after after last night's game.

718
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: He's still dynamic as a drible drive creator. Um, I

719
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: think I to me, I kind of know what to

720
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: expect from him on that front, and I'm a believer

721
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: in the way that it fits with the core group

722
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: when everyone's healthy. Actually really really like him as a

723
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: match as a as a closeout attacker. I know it's

724
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: something we haven't seen a lot of because he's literally

725
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: only played with Lebron out for the not only but

726
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: for the most part with Lebron out over the course

727
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: of the last what games of his career because of

728
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: the Lebron and Nab injuries last year. But you know,

729
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: early in the season, we saw a lot of that

730
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: last year, and I'm a big believer that he's going

731
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: to be a killer in those situations. I the thing

732
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: not to nitpick him, but like I think he can

733
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: be even better defensively than he's showing. And that's the

734
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: next level that I'd like to see from him. It's

735
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: him be him because like because when you guys have

736
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: all heard me compare him to Kauai, to me, he's

737
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: mini Kauai. That that's what I see him as. I

738
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: don't see him as Dwade Wade, I don't see him as.

739
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: I see him as a miniature version of Kawhi Leonard.

740
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: And the difference between being a solid defensive wing and

741
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: being Kawhi Leonard is a massive difference, and having to

742
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: do with commitment to disruption, and I think he's capable

743
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: of that and I'd like to see a little bit

744
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: more of that out of him. But I mean, hey, man,

745
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: like that was his career high. I'm not trying to

746
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, poopoo on his game or anything. I'd like

747
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: he looked incredible tonight. I I'm not going to get

748
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: too pumped about him getting baskets and garbage time because

749
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: his offensive fit on this team is primarily going to

750
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: be playing off of advantages created by other people. Um

751
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: with exception of you know, small like small opportunities here

752
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: and there when Lebron and Russ rest while they're playing.

753
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: But I I've come a long way on the th

754
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: HT thing because you remember last year I was a

755
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 1: big advocate for trading him, UM, just just primarily because

756
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: of the timeline that the franchise was on. UM. But

757
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: now I think this guy is gonna be an All star. UM.

758
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: It's possible that you know, my my projection for what

759
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: this kid could have been, I'd have been a little

760
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: too low and that and that's something that I don't

761
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: want to be on the wrong side of history on.

762
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: So I'm here to tell you that I think I

763
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: think he looks even better than I thought he could

764
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: have been. UM. But I'd like to see him really

765
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: really try to embrace that like peak level defensive disruptor

766
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: role because I think that's what will bring him to

767
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: that point where he's a bona vital star. Yeah, and

768
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: I thought you saw some of the more comfortability now

769
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: him playing with another super ball handler in Russ. They

770
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: had a couple of good action there where like Russ

771
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: gave it to him, he was able to attack, and

772
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: then Russ back and got a layup off of it.

773
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: Like I'm really curious to see his fit necks too

774
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: when he plays with both of them, because obviously that's

775
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: I think that's the role he's gonna have. Um. I

776
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: think he's a big time score and they invested a

777
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: lot into him, and I think he's going to be

778
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: a big part of this. But yeah, defensively, I don't

779
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: know if you'll get to I know what you mean

780
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: by Kauai even more like the archetype of a disruptor.

781
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: I want him just like as a solid you know,

782
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: don't make mistakes is more of what I like from THHD.

783
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: And I think his ceiling is the like disruptor, can

784
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: you know, get like three steals and and be a

785
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: guy that you just be a lockdown guy. But from

786
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: this team, for this title team, hopefully title contending team,

787
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: I would like him just to kind of be saw

788
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: and I think we're seeing one of maturity in his

789
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: game on both ends. But yeah, I thought TSD another

790
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: another good process game for him. That's kind of been

791
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: the bright spot, uh for tonight. Really that's really the

792
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: only bright spot I saw. Everything else was kind of

793
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: Alonzo Ball and Demarita Rosen having a party in their homecoming.

794
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, THHD was the bright spot. Yeah, so why

795
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: don't you go ahead and bring up the first caller

796
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: really quickly. That The other good thing that I noticed

797
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: was just, you know, something that I talked about with

798
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: Raj a lot over the course of the last couple

799
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: of weeks, having to do with Anthony Davis's jump shot

800
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: and him continuing to trend in the right direction. You know,

801
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: everyone was joking about how a Lonzo wasn't even hitting

802
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: the rim on his threes. Well little stretch right before

803
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis got ejected, he wasn't even hitting the rim

804
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: on his job shot um, which was exciting because him

805
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: regaining that part of his game is the difference between

806
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: him being the twelveth best player in the league and

807
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: him being the fifth or fifth or sixth best player

808
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: in the league. So that's that's such a gigantic, uh,

809
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: part of this team's ceiling, and so seeing him continue

810
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: to trend in that direction has to be a good thing.

811
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: The bottom line is his teammates Lebron back. I'm hopeful

812
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: he's back Wednesday, but things should all start to make

813
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: more sense at that point. Yeah, and eight he got

814
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: most of them off of like picking pops, I thought tonight,

815
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: So but I think we got our first up here.

816
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: It's fun. Are you there? Yeah? Hello, hello, yeah, yeah,

817
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: look here um first time. I like uh um. Jason's

818
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: point on the ball pressure. I think most of our guards,

819
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: I mean, because of fear that they're going win Tom

820
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 1: be passed on by the opponent. They they don't want

821
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: the pressure the ball too much. I saw the HD mom.

822
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: Even if Havington is not a good ball pressure guy anyway,

823
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: he's a chaser, but they're not fronting the their opponent.

824
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: So I agree on him on that on that part,

825
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,959
Speaker 1: the first the first part part of the spot. Yeah,

826
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: but the ball pressure, like I said, it's it's you

827
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: are driving line that you are driving, the straight line,

828
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 1: drive that you give up to somebody that doesn't want

829
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 1: to drive. Meaning like these types of these dribble jump shooters,

830
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: these guys like the Rooms and these guys like Leavin,

831
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: they're looking to get to their spot to take a

832
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: jump shot. And so if you if you can find

833
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: a way to make them feel uncomfortable and make them

834
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: rush and make them drive to the rim, generally speaking,

835
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: not only can your defense react to it, because it's predictable,

836
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: right like if if Zach Wadine's trying to break down. Uh,

837
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: let's say t h T on the left wing and

838
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: th h T s up in his shorts and forces

839
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: him to drive. All the other defensive players on the

840
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: floor are looking at that situation and they it's a

841
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: predictable outcome. Hey, th hts th ht s ball pressuring

842
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: like crazy, He's probably gonna give up a drive here,

843
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: and it makes it it makes it easier for your

844
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: help defenders to rotate and be in the right spots.

845
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: The flip side of that is like if you if uh,

846
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: you know zach Lavine himself, when he's on the drive,

847
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: he is now uncomfortable because he and he began that

848
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: possession thinking I'm going to get to my spot and

849
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: take a three. And now he's freelancing. And now that

850
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: he's freelancing, he's far more likely to make a mistake.

851
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: He's far more likely to get too deep, he's far too,

852
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: far more likely to turn the ball over or to

853
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: take some sort of funky, contested layup or or tougher shots.

854
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: So that I'm I'm there's just a defensive philosophy that

855
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: I believe in, Like you've gotta particularly when you're playing

856
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: guys who can shoot really well off the dribble, and

857
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: this is what you're going to face the highest levels

858
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: of basketball. You you absolutely have to find a way

859
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: to make them feel uncomfortable and forced them to do

860
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: something they don't want to do, which is drive the

861
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: ball to the rim every time they look floor. That

862
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: That's kind of the way that I feel about it,

863
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: which is also Vogel's philosophy because he wants them to

864
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: you know, he wants the drive in because he knows

865
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: where the help is coming from. It is Vogel's philosophy

866
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: as well, let them drive and then the helper is

867
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: going to don't be the one to stop it. So yeah,

868
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: so I get there. Not that they're not buying into

869
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: this concept, maybe not out of laptof a billion team,

870
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: but more on fear because it started on that they're

871
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: not going to play if they don't defend something like

872
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: But it's also post defense. It's not it's not the

873
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: defense that this the types of the Rosa and um

874
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: levin that can rebo and um pumping or pump shot

875
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: or something like that doom. So yeah, that's the second

876
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: one is um it is really not a good post

877
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: up um um ball handler anyway, he's more on the

878
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: offinest type of post up player, wherein he can beat

879
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: Tom one on once, but when it comes to doubles

880
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: is not good because he's passing is still not that high.

881
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: So I think it can be answered by Lebron being

882
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: on the game and also the problem with playing Rondo

883
00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: again us minutes. Um. I hope that None will come

884
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: back soon because I think that will augment his minutes.

885
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: That's the hope. Yeah, yeah, Well he's been saying that

886
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: for a couple of years and I'll see it. Uh,

887
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: I'll believe it when I see it with Rondo. I mean,

888
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: that's what we were kind of that's what we're kind

889
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: of solved during media day. But but we'll see. But

890
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: I think you're right though, eighties not the type of

891
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: player you just gave it to him in the post

892
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: every single time. He's just not enough to do that.

893
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: He's a moving He's a moving flip player. He's not

894
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: a post top player. He's more on the move rather

895
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: than posting him up and then let him create out

896
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: of that. I think he's more on the he's more

897
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: better when he's moving. That's why Rondo is Toronto and

898
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: a D pairing is working because Rondo knows where he

899
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: needs to move something like that. So I think that, yeah,

900
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: I think that's that's his game, that's in this game.

901
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: He's not Yi Honest or Lebron. He is more on

902
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: the movement player. He's more like the Rent. Actually, if

903
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: you're going yeah, I think I think you broke that

904
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: down really really well. The Rondo the Rondo comp is

905
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: super interesting. The reason why a D plays best with

906
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: Rondo's Rondo gets him on the move, and you're right,

907
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: like he's He's not like Katie in the sense that

908
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: he's not that level of jump shooter, but he is

909
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: like Katie in the sense that he seems to be

910
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: peaking offensively when he's kind of like a movement player

911
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: coming off the screens, catching him on the move too

912
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: quick fit like to basically be the tip of the spear,

913
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: the guy who finishes the play that the other four

914
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 1: players kind of set up for him. I definitely agree

915
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: with him in that. Yeah, I think that's the exact

916
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: term for him, that as a finisher. He's a finisher.

917
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: He's not he's not a creator, so posting him up

918
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: his is not his you know, strong suit. Then I

919
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: think also, um, what do you think of the before

920
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: the before the the season, they released a possible line up.

921
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: I think that was actually better because Roger says that,

922
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: um a b um. You know, Bradie is not a shooter,

923
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: so him being paired with um Ross at h D

924
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: is is not working. It's not going to h D

925
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: is also not going to be respected as a shooter

926
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 1: as well. But I think the combo of if they're

927
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: going if everyone's healthy again, but then if But yeah,

928
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: I think Allington and Arisa are are the perfect combo

929
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 1: for a D and Lebron and Ross. They have two

930
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: shooters and on the defensive side, all of those four,

931
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: even Allington can pressure the ball. Yeah, I actually agree

932
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: with you that that Bradley doesn't make as much sense

933
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: with the starters now as he did earlier and earlier

934
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: in the season when um uh you know, when injuries

935
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 1: kind of forced him to go that route. The other

936
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: thing he was he was he was good tonight. But

937
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: the other problem with a very Bradley over the course

938
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: of the last couple of weeks has been he's a

939
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: little bit too uh trigger happy with with his own offense, uh,

940
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: which which again when you're in a situation where you

941
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: need offense elsewhere on the floor. It makes It's one thing.

942
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: But when when you've got th HD, Russ and Anthony

943
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: Davis all healthy and in the lineup, I just it's

944
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: got to be more like tonight where every shot every

945
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: Bradley takes is a three. That's that's relatively open. But

946
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think I think I would go

947
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: with Ellington, especially if you're gonna play th HD. Um,

948
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: I'd either go with Ellington and t HD or Ellington

949
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: and Theresa, just because with that particular starting lineup, spacing

950
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: is so critical. Um. But hey, Bond, I really present

951
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: coming on. We're gonna we're gonna get somebody else up here,

952
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: but we'll be back on on Wednesday. But thank you

953
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: for coming up. We appreciate it. Thank you, you appreciate it.

954
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: Um live in Are you there? Oh yeah, I'm here,

955
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: I'm here. You're can you can hear me? Right? Good? Good?

956
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: Are you guys on doing all right? Yeah? Um? Yeah?

957
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: So ah to me, like, it's been really frustrating to

958
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: watch the Lakers this year, Like in terms of like

959
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: I don't even think sometimes I feel like I know

960
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: le Bron has been out for for a little minute now,

961
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: like it's been seven eight games. But I feel like

962
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: just like the effort level on some nights, like you know,

963
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: like the Minnesota game and uh and then this game

964
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: tonight in particular, like their effort level is just like

965
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: it's just not there. And like I don't know what

966
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: they I don't know what the Lakers think. I think

967
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: like I don't know what they think. Teams are just

968
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: gonna like roll over because they have Westbrook and eighty,

969
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: but they're like they're doing literally the opposite. So and

970
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: and also like what really frustrates me sometimes with Frank Vogel,

971
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: like this quote that he had today he said he

972
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: said basically he was like, oh, um, the way Chicago

973
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: double team eighty. Like that's not something we haven't that's

974
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: that's not something we've seen all year, and we're just

975
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: not used to that with this group. And I'm like,

976
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here, like, bro, you get like you're the coach, Bro,

977
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: like you really like you get paid like to make

978
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: these kind of adjustments. Like it's really frustrating sometimes. It's

979
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: like and they were just running back the same play

980
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: eighty eight posts up in the album eight post double team,

981
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: double team, and then like five seconds left on the

982
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: clock and we have like, you know, an ugly like

983
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: Avery Bradley trying to beat someone off the dribble and

984
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: falls down, or like Wayne Allanton has to force up

985
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: a quick three, and it's like, yeah, it's it's kind

986
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: of it's frustrating to watch. And and what I've noticed

987
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: too about the but mellow is that teams have started

988
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: to scout for him, and then the way that they have,

989
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: they weren't earlier in the season. Like even when he

990
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: like when he set screens now and he pops, like

991
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: teams are literally like right there in his jersey and

992
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: they're they're really not. Um, no one's really giving him

993
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: that space anymore. So, but I think, you know, a

994
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: lot of these problems will be will solve when the

995
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: Bron comes back. Um, but even like when le Bron,

996
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: even when le Bron comes back, I just feel like

997
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: their effort level on a on the night to night

998
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: basis needs to be a lot better so we can

999
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: actually build some some continuity, like because it's like, you know,

1000
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: we say it's early, but bad habits, like you know,

1001
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: like habits take time to build, you know, so I

1002
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: just feel like, yeah, that's pretty much I thought will

1003
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: making so far. So yeah, the A D double team

1004
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: stuff is frustrating because you're right, the coach's job is

1005
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: not just to make adjustments before the game, it's to

1006
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: make adjustments during the game. I mean, hell, if you

1007
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: were playing a pickup game tomorrow and you had a

1008
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: guy on your team it was a good post player

1009
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: and the other teams started double teaming him and the

1010
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: game was slipping away as a result, you don't think

1011
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: you guys would kind of address like, hey, doubling off

1012
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: of this guy, so maybe this guy should do this.

1013
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: And obviously that's a real basic level at a very

1014
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: amateur level of basketball. But the point is, it's like

1015
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: that same thought process applies here. There's that they should

1016
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: have been able to address that in a time out. Hey,

1017
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: when when we throw it, when we throw to a

1018
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,959
Speaker 1: D in this spot with this guy, they're helping off

1019
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: of this guy and they're helping from this angle, what

1020
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: should we do and they should have counter set up

1021
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: for that. That to me was the frustrating part, But

1022
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: it is what it is. At this point, it's it's,

1023
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: you know this the problem like a D Frank can

1024
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: pretend like this is some brand new doubling scheme that

1025
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: threw them off. But the point is is doubling an

1026
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: a D post up has been a smart strategy for

1027
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: two and a half years and uh, at least with

1028
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: me watching him this closely, and so I tend to

1029
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: I tend to think that a lot of this is

1030
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: just kind of the reality of the Frank and A

1031
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: D pairing as as offensive minds approaching those double teams,

1032
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: which is unfortunate, but it is what it is. Um.

1033
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: In terms of the Mellow stuff, this was inevitable that

1034
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: it was going to happen. Coming into tonight. He was

1035
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: shooting over sixty six on wide open threes, so it

1036
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: was only a matter of time before teams really started

1037
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: to scheme up on him and start to take away

1038
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: the easy ones. Um. The problem is is Mellow, In

1039
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: my opinion, it started to try to fire away anyway,

1040
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: which some of that is good because it continues that

1041
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: it continues to perpetuate that fear of closing out to

1042
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: him because you know he'll fire away. But with Mellow,

1043
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: what you gotta do is understand that the difficulty of

1044
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 1: the shots he's taking in the absence of his wide

1045
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: open ones suddenly are actually evidence of defensive attention, which

1046
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: is a good thing for our offense. The bottom line

1047
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: is is like this trend, the trend of a of

1048
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: Mellow getting u you know, chased all over the place

1049
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 1: and never being left open, will only help this offense,

1050
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 1: especially when Lebron comes back, because it really is this simple.

1051
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: You know, Lebron is going to handle those double teams well.

1052
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: Lebron is going to be able to get to the

1053
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: rim at a much higher clip than than Russ and

1054
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: a D. So you will have two options. You're either

1055
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: going to help off of Mellow and and try to

1056
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: take away Lebron at the rim, or or in which

1057
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: case Lebron is just gonna kick to him all day long,

1058
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: or vice versa. You can stay home and let Lebron

1059
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: cooking single coverage. That's what you're gonna see a lot

1060
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: with these Lebron Ellington Mellow type of lineups. And so,

1061
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: I yes, this was bound to happen, but with Mellow,

1062
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: you gotta just trust the team concepts, Like, dude, if

1063
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: they're if they're blitzing you all over the place, that's

1064
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: only good for us. So that that that that's attention,

1065
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: that's not being devoted to your better players. He was

1066
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: He's the only shooter in the starting lineup to tonight, right,

1067
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: just to be fair to him, I mean it was

1068
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: it was Ruzz, Bradley, th HD, Mellow and a D

1069
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: and the actually just once you trap a D email

1070
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: was the only guy they really sticked on. So he

1071
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: didn't really get that many open looks and he forced

1072
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: it some. I thought some of the post stuffs were okay,

1073
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: Like I liked him, went out de Rozan some a

1074
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: little bit. Um. I thought he got fouled on a few.

1075
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: But you know, Mellow, I think he's gonna He's not

1076
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: gonna shoot and open threes, but I think he's gonna

1077
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: be like a three point shoot, Like he can be

1078
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: that type of shooter. I think I've seen enough volume,

1079
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: uh from from Mellow to where I think he'll be

1080
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: fine there. And again like the double team stuff, like

1081
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: it's annoying game the game. But I think this is

1082
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: why the reason you can't do this is because I hope,

1083
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: like fingers cross, Lebron is gonna be on the floor

1084
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: and so like that's where like this team is again

1085
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: going to go through another shift of Like, once you

1086
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: get Lebron, none areasa back, You're gonna get a whole

1087
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: new team again. So it's frustrating as how to watch.

1088
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: I agree with you, hasn't been fun. A lot of

1089
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: the games really haven't been fun. We've been blown out,

1090
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: We've been close games against bad teams. Hopefully now we

1091
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: finally get a good team we escaped. Go to DeAndre

1092
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: Jordan for a lot of this. He's gone now as well.

1093
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: It seems like from the rotation, Baysmores out of the rotation.

1094
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: So now hopefully when Lebron gets back, we have a

1095
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: better team here. And I think tonight this is something

1096
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: you can do when Lebron's on the floor. Doesn't mean

1097
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: it's not an issue. It's just something I don't see

1098
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: being a huge problem for the team going forward. Like

1099
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: eight has never been good out of double teams. It's

1100
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: just you couldn't double off him. You couldn't do that

1101
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: next to Lebron on the floor. But I'm with you,

1102
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: like this is super frustrating as hell to watch nightly

1103
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: and to talk about honestly every single night. And you

1104
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: can never you can never blame everything I effort. I

1105
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: would call it third, I put in third it's like

1106
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: equal part efforts, equal part personnel, because without Lebron, this

1107
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: team actually isn't all that talented. And then equal part coaching.

1108
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: I would say those those are the thirds, Like you

1109
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: can you can't blame Frank for everything that's happened, you

1110
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: can't blame the effort for everything that's happening. You can't

1111
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: blame the personnel for everything that's happening. But each of

1112
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: those three things play a big, big role in how

1113
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: bad this team is. Right now. Alright, guys, this is

1114
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: our last this is our last caller for the night.

1115
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: I'm getting very tired. I'm gon appreciate you coming up.

1116
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: Maniate it, Eric, what's going on? Man? Can you gars? Yep?

1117
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: Can you hear me? You can hear you? What's what's

1118
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: my dude? What's going on? Hey? You know what's interesting

1119
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: about this team, right is that when the roster was constructed,

1120
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: I think the construction and the prevailing thought was that

1121
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: this team was going to be able to survive the

1122
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: non Lebron minutes better than this. Right. So here we are,

1123
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: year nineteen, and this team still doesn't survive in Lebron minutes.

1124
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: So that's kind of concerning to me at this point

1125
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: because I felt like they would do a better job.

1126
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of it is what I've

1127
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: been hearing tonight, is like, for example, um, you know,

1128
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: the decision making in some parts and then the talking

1129
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: and connecting the defense on the others. Like those little

1130
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: things that Lebron does that we you know, that we

1131
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: kind of take for granted because he's that good, But

1132
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: those are those little things that this team is missing

1133
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: drastically and it costs us huge runs. Right, And so

1134
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: I guess I'm concerned, not because you know, I mean, obviously,

1135
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: I know when the Browns on the court, the team

1136
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: is going to be much better. But his injuries kind

1137
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: of concerned me because, like I've watched him getting nicked

1138
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: up a lot over the last couple of years, and

1139
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, what if he comes back and he doesn't,

1140
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, like and he has to miss another chunk

1141
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: of games and another chunk of games. It's like, yeah,

1142
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: we we gotta we gotta do a better job. I

1143
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: think it puts a lot of pressure on Vocal to

1144
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: play the right lineups, which he I'm convinced he's just

1145
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: not going to do consistently, right, So I think that's

1146
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: part of it, and it puts a lot of pressure

1147
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: on Russ to be a player he's probably not been. Now.

1148
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 1: I do have confidence he'll get better, right, I do. Um.

1149
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: I think he'll have just and over the last few games,

1150
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,439
Speaker 1: I've seen him get better in the role at times, right.

1151
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: But it really puts the non Lebron minutes. It puts

1152
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on him to be a player

1153
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: he's just not been. And so that's a little concerning

1154
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know if you guys were the

1155
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: same way I do, But yeah, I mean it's really

1156
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: this simple. Russ isn't what everybody thought he was, and

1157
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm everyone should have known that going in. But Russ

1158
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: is not a you know, massive floor raising superstar the

1159
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: way that he was in two thousand and seventeen. Those

1160
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: days are gone. They're never coming back. The best version

1161
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: of this experience is him being able to be, like

1162
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: I said, a better version of Dennis Hruder, a guy

1163
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: who can attack in specific matchups against inferior players for

1164
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: sure stretches, not a guy who can attack better players

1165
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: for long stretches. That's just just not what he's capable

1166
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: of to Anthony Davis is not Bubble Anthony Davis. He

1167
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: will be, I believe before the end of the season.

1168
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: I think he's trending in that direction. And before the

1169
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: end of the season he will be Bubble Anthony Davis,

1170
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: top tier superstar Anthony Davis. But right now he's not.

1171
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: And then three, the defense is the defensive identity has gone.

1172
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: So with those three things gone, there was never any

1173
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: chance in hell that this team would would be able

1174
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: to compete without Lebron. That's just a reality. The flip

1175
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: side of it is just kind of you know, Lebron

1176
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: does so much to impact winning it's hard to quantify,

1177
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: Like just just look at the defensive end of the floor.

1178
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: He basically plays the Draymond role for this team, and

1179
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: in terms of the back line communicator, the back line disruptor,

1180
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: the guy who blows up everything in the paint. Taking

1181
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: him out of that picture completely fundamentally changes the way

1182
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: our defense works. And so that that's just one small

1183
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: part of it, not to mention in big moments, he

1184
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: can be your best isolation defender. In Game four of

1185
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: last year's or Western Conference Finals, he literally shut down

1186
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: Jamal Murray in a pivotal playoff game, Like, that's just

1187
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: that's not a thing that you used to be able to.

1188
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: That's not a thing that you can replicate with team defense.

1189
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: That's just at the end of the day, of Lebron

1190
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: brings so much. And then that doesn't even get into

1191
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: what he does on the offensive end of the floor

1192
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: to calm guys down. It's not just about helping a

1193
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: d handle double teams. It's not just about taking decision

1194
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: making out of Russell Westbrook's hands. It's about you know, um,

1195
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: it's about the uh, the leadership on the floor. It's that, hey,

1196
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: the wheels are coming off here in the third quarter.

1197
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: It's okay, we got Lebron, Like he's going to make

1198
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: some plays and get us back into this game. There's

1199
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: it's just the list goes on and on. There's just

1200
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: so much that he brings to this specific team that

1201
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: it's too much to ask them to to be either

1202
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: same or a competitive to be an elite product without it.

1203
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: But they should be able to be competitive. And that's

1204
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: where it gets tricky, is like you think that at

1205
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: least they'd be like, hey, guys, we don't have Lebron.

1206
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: We should play harder you know, like like you think

1207
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: they'd at least be like, hey, Frank would be like, hey,

1208
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: we don't have Lebron, I need to take a bigger

1209
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: role in our offensive decision making, you know, like those

1210
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: kinds of things like those are those are the things

1211
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: that I personally would like to see fixed. One last,

1212
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: one last thing. There's real quick when you said something

1213
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: about bron and it kind of raised another point that

1214
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: I forgot about. So the Lakers are not as good

1215
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: a rebounding team as they were a year ago or

1216
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: even the title year. But Lebron also brings seventy rebounds

1217
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: a game, and ironically, the Lakers are losing most rebounding

1218
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: battles by about six. So when you add Bronze sevent

1219
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: eight rebounds in that swings depends on a lot of

1220
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: as more possessions so on, and so they're also upset

1221
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: some of these turnowners, right, And so I was thinking

1222
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: as I was watching these games, you know, like I

1223
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: just I kind of made a point over the last

1224
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: i'll say four games to kind of watch some of

1225
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: these rebounds, and I staid in myself, Okay, Brian would

1226
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: have got that one, right. He would have got that

1227
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: that one right, and you know all of us that

1228
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: hoop no like especially if you hooped in college and

1229
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: know that, like like you know, rebounds normally will dictate

1230
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: the winner of the game. Just want to share possession standpoint, Like,

1231
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: if you lose the rebounding battle, you're probably going to

1232
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: lose the game. And this game, this team loses the

1233
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: rebounding battle more often than not. It's not going to

1234
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: get killed, like right in the paint. It's those long rebounds.

1235
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: But those are the ones bron grabs and takes off

1236
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 1: and starts runs right, And so I think for all

1237
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: the things he does that right, there might be literally

1238
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: at the top like outside of the being the back

1239
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: line defensive connector, is catching those long rebounds. Five of

1240
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: those changes the game because now those are potentially points

1241
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: going the other way because he starts to break on those.

1242
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: That's a that's a good point. Like that's when we

1243
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: went to eight at the five, and I think we

1244
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: were getting outrebounded when we even had two bigs. But

1245
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: you have all these like four guards or you know

1246
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: guards in like one wing or just Carmelo finding down

1247
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: low when a d comes out and switches um and

1248
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: they just lose the rebounding battle every night. I thought

1249
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: Chicago got a bunch of them tonight as well. You're right,

1250
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: that's something that Lebron can bring as well. Lebron brings

1251
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff, like you said, Jason, and the rebounding.

1252
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: I think him being the power forward is super important

1253
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: on this team and might even more, might be more

1254
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: important defensively than even offensively. Just what this team needs.

1255
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: But like they need to find lineups that are successful

1256
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: without him, to write like he's not gonna play forty

1257
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: eight minutes a game in the regular season or the playoffs. Russ,

1258
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: Like Russ is not going to be the floor raiser,

1259
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: but like you can see him and a D should

1260
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: still be able to man like second units and you know,

1261
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: win those lineups when when they're out there. And I

1262
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: think you have to kind of acqus lineups to Russ

1263
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: put shooting around him with a D at the five

1264
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 1: and that stuff. That's just it's happened here and there,

1265
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: that's been in spurts, but just haven't seen it enough.

1266
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: Like tonight again, I thought it was just too much

1267
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: non spacing around Russ and a D and that's just

1268
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: not gonna work for him. Like and with a D

1269
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: as well. You saw them able to double off them.

1270
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: But you're right, Lebron is gonna come back. The rebounds

1271
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: is huge. We've been losing the rebounding battle. A D

1272
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: has been having to having to do a ton out

1273
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: there defensively. He has to switch out to the guards

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Speaker 1: and try to get back and defensive rebound and try

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Speaker 1: to dominate dophins and boards. So there's a lot of

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01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: stuff on his plate as well. But yeah, Lebron coming

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01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: back picked is a lot of stuff. But I do

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01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: think Russ and a D still have to find units

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01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: where they're successful without him, you know what I mean, Like,

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01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: because this team is not going to go very far

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01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: if they're just they just get demolished in the non

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01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: lebronminance the way they have been this season. The rebound

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01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: the rebounding thing is not overly complicated. We're small. We're small.

1284
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: Uh is not enough size a D and Lebron as

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01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: the four or five is plenty of size. That's where

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01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: it gets That's where it gets tricky is taking Lebron

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01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: out of the picture. It's basically four guards in a

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01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: D or three guards mellow and a D at any

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01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: given moment. That's that those are lineup rebounding is absolutely

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01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem with those groups. Um avage, I

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01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: thought you brought up something super interesting and uh, it's

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Speaker 1: the last thought I'd like to share tonight, is this

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01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: idea that like asking you should be able to ask

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01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: Russ and a D to carry you for these stretches.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, And that's the key difference between

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Speaker 1: doing it in the context of Lebron available in the

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01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: context of Lebron unavailable. We've had plenty of stretches over

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01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: the course of this you know, five or six game

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01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: stretch without Lebron where um, where the team has looked

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01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: good for short periods of time. Um. It's but in

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01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: the highest leverage moments they seem to struggle, right or

1302
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: against the best and the best lineups, they seem to struggle.

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01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: And that's just the reality the situation. You can ask

1304
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: Russ and a D to carry you for the final

1305
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: three minutes of the first quarter, and for two minutes

1306
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: in the middle of the second quarter, and for another

1307
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: four minutes at the end of the third quarter, and

1308
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,959
Speaker 1: for maybe a minute in the fourth quarter. You can't

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01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: ask them to do it for whole games. They're just

1310
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: not good enough for all the reasons that I laid

1311
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: out earlier in the show. So the point is, Raj,

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01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 1: what you brought up that makes it so that to

1313
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: have like a little bit more of a silver lining

1314
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: is like Russ and a D are showing you right

1315
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: now that they're not good enough to do this for

1316
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: whole games. But we don't need them to do it

1317
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: for whole games, and we don't need them against the

1318
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: best lineups, against starters for good teams, against closing groups

1319
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,959
Speaker 1: for good teams. Lebron will be out there, so that

1320
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: that that should be the one thing to help us

1321
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: kind of exhale a little bit. Here is the idea

1322
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: that you know, it shouldn't We won't have to ask

1323
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 1: these guys to do this much when push comes to shove,

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01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, uh, when Lebron comes back. That's just the

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01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: reality of the situation. Yep, that's that's fair. I just

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01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: I still want to see a little bit more from

1327
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: those lineups, like we're in like the fights with bad

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01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: teams still, and I feel like I think vote I

1329
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:22,919
Speaker 1: think Vocal has a lot to do with that too, though,

1330
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: Like I think I think that's what I was saying,

1331
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: like when Lebron's and out there, it puts a lot

1332
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: of pressure on Vogo to play the right lineups, and

1333
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: I think Vogo has just shown he's just not going

1334
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: to do it. And I don't think it's that Vogos dumb.

1335
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: I think I have a theory that coaches are very

1336
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: stubborn and and the way the coaches, right, and the

1337
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: way coaches make their imprint on teams is either by

1338
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,959
Speaker 1: the way of their system or their rootations, and that's

1339
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: their way of being able to say they did it

1340
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: their way, because the reality is the NBA is a

1341
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: players league, right, So I'm not gonna say coaches have

1342
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 1: no use. They do, but for the most part, the

1343
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: players are going to dictate how it goes. So either

1344
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: by way of system or by way of rotations, that's

1345
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: how coaches are gonna make their imprint on the game.

1346
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: Vocal sees all the stuff that we talk about, like

1347
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: the like there. He's a smart guy, like he knows

1348
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: all this stuff. But his way of making his imprint

1349
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: on this team is by way of his substitutions in

1350
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: his system, so like his two big line ups or

1351
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: his Rondo Russ or whatever, like when that's if that

1352
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: stuff ultimately works, Vocal gets credit like he did the

1353
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: title year, right, you know, we complained about the two

1354
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: bigs or a year, but they won because they you know,

1355
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: they led the league black shots into So that's what

1356
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: That's how Vocal makes his imprint. So I don't think

1357
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:35,799
Speaker 1: it's that he's stupid. I think he's that he's stubborn

1358
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 1: and the problem is the way this team is constructed,

1359
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: it really and especially with brown out, it's really critical

1360
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: that he plays the right lineups. But stubborn and making

1361
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: his imprint is not going to allow him to do that.

1362
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: So I think we're just gonna take els in the

1363
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: in the non Bron moments, and I think that's just

1364
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: the way that's gonna be. And you know, once again

1365
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: Renness in his situation where Bron is gonna be the

1366
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: fixer in the end all be all, and I just

1367
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: hope he stays healthy enough long enough to be able

1368
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: to do that. That's my biggest concern, to man, that's

1369
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 1: my biggest concern to I mean, it's just this this

1370
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 1: add thing was really weird. Was the first is the

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01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: first time in my time being a fan of him

1372
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,799
Speaker 1: where I was like well, this is an old guy injury,

1373
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: but you know so, yeah it is. It is what

1374
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: it is. But um, you know, Eric, we appreciates you

1375
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: coming on in as always. I don't know about you guys,

1376
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: but I'm ready to call it to night. We're gonna

1377
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: be bad. Wednesday is an early one rights five thirty start.

1378
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: Thank four thirty for you, Rush, I remember correctly, I believe.

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01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: So they play in Milwaukee, if I'm correct, Lakers are. Yes,

1380
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: they're in Milwaukee four thirty start here in southern California,

1381
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: Arizona time. But I'm looking forward to that one. That's

1382
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. I had a feeling

1383
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: Lebron would come back tonight, and then I was let

1384
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: down when I saw Dave mcmanimon's report, and then I

1385
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: saw the Instagram story of him doing cardio, which you

1386
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: never do cardio on a game day. So I was like, oh,

1387
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: he's not playing to night, but I have a feeling

1388
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: he'll be coming back soon, hopefully for that Wednesday game.

1389
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: Milwaukee's a little banged up, so it's definitely a game

1390
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 1: that is, like you would say, RAJ winnable. Um, but

1391
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: if they come in there with the same crap they're

1392
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: gonna get beat, so it'll definitely definitely be a good one.

1393
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: But thank you guys so much for coming to hang out.

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01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: This will aeron dash Radio tomorrow morning at seven am

1395
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: Pacific Standard time. It will be on our podcast feed

1396
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: here in about twenty minutes. As always, we sincerely appreciate

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01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: you guys, and we will be back in a couple

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Speaker 1: of days. Thank you.