1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Her body was never found. 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: Her little girl is being raised without her mother or 3 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: a father. Why because Kelsey Beareth was murdered, her body 4 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: burned by who, Patrick Phrasey with the help of his 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: then mistress, the rodeo queen. Literally in the Last Days 6 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: Phrasy back in court. Why won't he go away? I'm 7 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank 8 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: you for being with us in the last Days. The 9 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: Colorado Supreme Court upholds the conviction of a Teller County 10 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: man guilty in murdering his fiance, the mother of his child. 11 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: His fiancee Celts. Beareth last seen at a Woodland Park 12 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: Safeway Thanksgiving Day. She was speaking to her mom on 13 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: the phone about recipes. Her phone then painted in Gooding, Idaho. 14 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: Days later, Now years later, her body still has not 15 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: been found. Why. I think because Patrick Frasey burned it. 16 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: And of course Frasey appeals his conviction. What do we 17 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: know about the facts and the evidence that landed him 18 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: behind bars. 19 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving is the last known time Kelsey Bareth was seen 20 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: in public. It was at this Safeway store where she 21 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 2: was captured by the store's security cameras. Cheryl Barreth says 22 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: she spoke with Kelsey by phone that day twice. What 23 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: did you talk about that day? 24 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: It was just small things and initially she needed a recipe. 25 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: Based on that conversation. There was nothing to make you 26 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: believe there is anything wrong exactly. 27 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. Her voice was fine, she was, Yeah, she was. 28 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 3: It was a normal day for her. 29 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: Where is a missing mom, Kelsey Beareth? The search intensifies 30 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: as the mystery deepens. Right now, T talk tick talk, 31 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: every hour counts. There is a chance she can still 32 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: be brought back alive. I mean, see, Grace, this is 33 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, joining me 34 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: as she Willcott judge lawyer. You can find her as 35 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: shewillcot dot com. Karen Smith, forensics expert, joining us out 36 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: of the Florida jurisdiction, forensics psychiatrist, doctor Daniel Bober and 37 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: joining me right now, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter 38 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: Ellen Kilaurin. Let's start at the beginning. What happened to Chelsea? 39 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: Tell me everything's give me the beginning of the crime line, 40 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: the timeline, Ellen, because that's what's so important. 41 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 4: Kelsey disappeared on November twenty second, which is Thanksgiving Day. 42 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 4: We know that on that day she went to a 43 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 4: Safeway supermarket near her home in Woodland Park, Colorado. She 44 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 4: had her one year old daughter with her. There After that, 45 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 4: she met with her fiance, Patrick Frazy, who she doesn't 46 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 4: live with, and handed off her daughter. She has not 47 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 4: been seen since the only time that she's been heard from. 48 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 4: Two messages were sent from her cell phone on Monday, 49 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 4: November twenty second, twenty fifth. 50 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 5: Excuse me. 51 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 4: One was to her fiance and we don't know what 52 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 4: that message said, and another was to her employer, dos Aviation, 53 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 4: where she worked. 54 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: At the Wha Wha wha wha whit whit whit alankilaurin 55 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: crime online dot com. Are you telling me she actually 56 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: spoke verbally to her employer or texted or email. 57 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 6: No, it was a text. 58 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 4: It was a text message sent from her phone. 59 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: Okay, then Waite, I thought you said the last person 60 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: she spoke to was the fiance and the employer. 61 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 6: They were both text messages. 62 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: So she start to nobody, then say that she spoke 63 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: to nobody other than her mother that previously. 64 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 4: The last voice conversation that her mother had with her 65 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 4: was on Thanksgiving Day and she saw her fiance in 66 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 4: person later that day, so. 67 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: The last person she actually spoke with was her mother 68 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: several days before she goes missing. Ellen Calauren, My dear, 69 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: sweet precious snowflake, Ellen, you know what? Let me Karen Smith? 70 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: Why do I always have to be the bad guy? 71 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: Can you explain to Ellen why every word counts? It's 72 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: very important? Did she speak to somebody the day she 73 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: goes missing? Or was it a text from her phone 74 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: which guess what, nobody can find Karen's school. My dear Ellenkilauren, 75 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: I don't think I need to, but I'll tell you what. 76 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: Or you may need to take her to the woodshed. 77 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 6: Having text messages rather than a vocal call. I mean, 78 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 6: come on, this is law. This is law enforcement and forensics. 79 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 6: One oh one. A text message can be sent by 80 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 6: anybody who has access to that phone, if it's not 81 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 6: past code and forced. Uh. If you have a thumb 82 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 6: print that actually you have access to because you put 83 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 6: your thumbprint on that phone when it was unlocked at 84 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 6: some point, it's not that difficult anymore. So if it's 85 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 6: only text messages, we don't know who sent them, they're 86 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 6: going to have to go into that phone. Once they 87 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 6: find it and figure out where those text messages were 88 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 6: actually sent from. 89 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: And that leads me to another forensic point. Hold on, 90 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: Ashley will Cad. I know you're chomping at the bit, 91 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Biber, forensics psychiatrist. Let's go into the mind 92 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: of someone that would get rid of Chelsea, a mother 93 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: of a little baby girl. Okay, get rid of her, 94 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: and then this is my question, think to use her 95 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: phone to cover their tracks and text the boyfriend, the fiance, 96 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: text the employer and go, oh, I'm taking a week off. 97 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: That's a whole another animal from somebody flying off the 98 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: handle and getting mad at a bar and go, you 99 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: took my money. Bam, you're dead. Versus killing somebody, disposing 100 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: of the body and then making all these surreptitious texts 101 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: and you know, emails to cover your tracks. That's a 102 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: whole different way of thinking, doctor Bober. 103 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 7: I agree, Auntie, it's on a whole It's on a 104 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 7: whole different level. But like your previous guest said, those 105 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 7: text messages, you know, are going to be valuable because 106 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 7: with text messages, i'mlike with vocal communication, uh, you know, 107 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 7: there is going to be the amount of texting the 108 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 7: words that were actually used. And you know, people that 109 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 7: are familiar with her are going to know the way 110 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 7: that she communicates, and so there's I think a treasure 111 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 7: trom of information, uh potentially there in those text messages. 112 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: Okay, Ellen Calaurin are are are you embarrassed? Because I'm 113 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: embarrassed for you? I am? Okay, good? Now, howther you've 114 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: been totally publicly shamed? Now I need some facts from you. 115 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: It's really important, and I'm kidding around tiny bit, but 116 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: it really is crucial. It's crucial when you're trying to 117 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: establish a timeline, which is where everything starts. Every investigation 118 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: starts with the timeline and the forensics around that timeline. 119 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: So let's talk about these. The last time she was 120 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: seen was how many days before she was reported missing? 121 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 6: Kenny's ten days? 122 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: Okay, just give me short brief answers. So we got 123 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: ten days, darn, it's a long time. Now into that 124 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: ten days, When did the text come in? Number one? 125 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: And were they pinged and if so, from where. 126 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 4: The text came in on November twenty fifth, which is 127 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 4: three days after she was last seen. 128 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: Okay, so hold on, Jackie's editing this. The text came 129 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: in three days after she went missing. Okay, got it. 130 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: Three days after she went missing, she texts fiance and employer. 131 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: Is that correct? Ellen? That's right? So both of them 132 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: were texted in one day. 133 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 6: That's great. 134 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: Interesting day. 135 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: Her phone was pinged in Idaho, about six hundred miles 136 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 4: away from where she lived, But authorities have said they. 137 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: Can't confirm that she was actually with her phone at 138 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: the time, but they can confirm that ping. We know 139 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: that the ping is correct. Yes, Okay, joining me right now, 140 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: Judge A lawyer Ashley Wilcott, Ashley, weigh in on what 141 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: we have ferreted out so far. Well, you know, I 142 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: do have a lot to say about this Nancy. 143 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 8: So here's the thing. We don't know what happened to her. 144 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 8: Best case, she decided to take off God willing, God hoping, 145 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 8: because that would. 146 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:54,599 Speaker 1: Mean she's Ashley Ashley, Ashley, Ashley, you know how I 147 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: feel about you and your family and your great great 148 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: great great grandparents that came over on the Mayflower. But Ashley, 149 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: how can you even fix your mouth to say that 150 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: maybe she went away? This girl is no idiot. She's 151 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: a flight instructor. Isn't that right? Ellen, Calaurin. She's a 152 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: flying instructor. 153 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 6: That's great. 154 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: I mean this woman can get up in a plane 155 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: and fly around and teach other people. She's no idgit. 156 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: But she loses her phone. 157 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,599 Speaker 8: Well maybe maybe she had some freak out of it. 158 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 8: I need to take a little break, that's my prayer. 159 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so go back to the reality. Maybe way, why 160 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: why why why, Ashley, I'm back on you. I'm on 161 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: you like a cheap suit a girl that wants to break. Okay, 162 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 1: this is let's look at what we know, and I 163 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: may have to go back to the shrink on this one. 164 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: Ash will caught. A woman that's calling her mom for 165 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: a recipe is not a woman who's gonna leave her 166 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: mom hanging out in the wind, doesn't know where you are, 167 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: worried sick about you not not taking care of your baby. 168 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 9: Girl. 169 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: No, I mean you see the dichotomy. They're right. I 170 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: call my mother, I call Miss Talbert from my little 171 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: Methodist church in Macon, various people for recipes, Okay, because 172 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 1: I love them and their knowledge means something to me. 173 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: Those are the people you love that you call for recipes, Ashley. 174 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 8: Okay, So now Nancy's embarrassed me because you're right, I'm 175 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 8: so happy, I have how so much misery today? 176 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: Go ahead. 177 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 8: So here's the thing about the texts on the phone 178 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 8: and not knowing if the bones with her, we see 179 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 8: it all so regrettably, someone could easily think, Ooh, I'm 180 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 8: just gonna text this person and this person or text 181 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 8: the boyfriend so they think she's fine, and that gives 182 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 8: me more time with her because we don't know if 183 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 8: she's dead, if she's been abducted, and she's being held somewhere, 184 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 8: so it is not outside the realm of possibilities. 185 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: Well, let me give you all something to think about. 186 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: And Maul, why did the fiance put up a stink 187 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 1: about giving DNA. 188 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: Kelsey's fiance, Patrick Frasey, told police he last saw her 189 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving afternoon, when he picked up their daughter. Kelsey was 190 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: not reported missing until ten days later by her mother. 191 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: Patrick has done everything that he has been asked for 192 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,599 Speaker 2: by law enforcement. Jeremy Low, Patrick Frasey's attorney, says his 193 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: client has been interviewed by law enforcement, voluntarily released his 194 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: phone to be searched by investigators, and provided photographs along 195 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: with cheek swabs for DNA. Police have said Frasey is cooperating. 196 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 5: I have no reason to believe that he is a suspect, 197 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 5: and the police have not isolated him as a suspect 198 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 5: in this case. 199 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: Phrasey and Bareth do not live together, but Bareth's mother 200 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: says their bond is strong. 201 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 3: The relationship has been good, they're loving. 202 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: She remains hopeful her daughter will be found. 203 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: The speculation hasn't been helpful. Don't try to figure this out. 204 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 3: We've got people trying to do that. 205 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 10: Just share the photo. 206 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 3: There's more important things to be done. 207 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: At this point, police say the case remains a missing 208 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: person's investigation. 209 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: In the back of my mind, sure there's a possibility 210 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 3: something else could have happened, but it does mean no 211 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 3: good to go down that road, and I don't think 212 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: it does Kelsey any good either. 213 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: Twenty nine year old Kelsey Beareth has not been seen 214 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: since she was recorded on surveillance cameras in a grocery 215 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: store in Widland Park, Colorado, with her baby daughter. Her fiance, 216 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: Patrick Frazie, tells that she dropped the baby off after 217 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: that grocery store trip, and he has not seen or 218 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: heard from her since now. The two have never lived together, 219 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: despite being engaged in sharing a daughter interesting. The fiance 220 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: was not present at a press conference and has been 221 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: scrutinized on social media for refusing to speak openly about 222 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: missing Chelsea, But despite that scrutiny, her mother says they 223 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: had a very good relationship. Straight out to Ellen calaurin 224 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: timemonline dot com investigative reporter, Ellen, what do you tell 225 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: me about the fiance, because that is where every timeline starts. 226 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: The last time someone was saying or spoke spoken to verbally, 227 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: not by text or email. Tell me about the fiance. 228 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 6: That's right. 229 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 4: He was the last person to see her, and we 230 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 4: know that he was not the person who contacted police, 231 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 4: his lawyer said, and he's been with her daughter. His 232 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 4: lawyer has released his statement and says that he is 233 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: now cooperating with police. He did give a DNA slot 234 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 4: of his mouth, he did hand over his phone, but 235 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 4: he did not attend a press conference earlier this week 236 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 4: where her mother did attendance and spoke and begged for 237 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 4: her daughter's return. His lawyer claims that Patrick didn't know 238 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 4: about the press conference until an hour before it began, 239 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 4: otherwise he would have been there. 240 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 6: In the word to the media, that's what That's what 241 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 6: the lawyer said. 242 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: Kelsey Breath twenty nine has not been spot astasument. It's 243 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: grocery stopping with her baby, Woodland Park, Colorado. Fiance tails cops. 244 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: She dropped the baby off afterwards at his home. Has 245 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: not been seen since her phone pinged about seven hundred 246 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: miles away from where she was last seen three days later. 247 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: Now does that make sense to you, Kiaren Smith, forensics experts. 248 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: Seven hundred miles in three days? Does that make sense? 249 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: It can be done, well, sure it can. 250 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 6: Be done, but none of it makes sense to me. 251 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 6: Nancy who First of all, if my fiance had gone missing, 252 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 6: I would be freaking out after three hours. First of all, 253 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 6: ten days, ten days she was reported missing ten days 254 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 6: later and the cell phone things one hundred miles away? 255 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 6: Are you kidding me? I would be all over the press. 256 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 6: I would be in front of every camera that would 257 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 6: put my face on television. I would be talking to 258 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 6: everyone and anyone if I had nothing to do with this. 259 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: Ten days is a long time to pass. Ashley, Well, God, 260 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the video right now. She comes in 261 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: the front of the grow store. She's carrying the baby 262 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: in a car, seat. Oh, it looks just like the 263 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: ones I would carry the twins in double fisted. She 264 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: puts the car seat in the front of a cart 265 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: with the baby facing her, you know that top area, 266 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: and then she drives off. She's got on a coat, 267 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: her hair's back in a bun, and the baby's all 268 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: bundled up. All right, So what do we know about 269 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: him originally not giving DNA because at this juncture, Ashley Wilcott, 270 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: he has done interviews, he has released his phone to 271 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: be searched. She's given given a buckle swabs, which is, 272 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, a mouth swab, and photographs. On the other hand, Ashley, 273 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: I guess his lawyer said, look, if you don't give 274 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: it to them willingly, they can get a warrant from 275 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: you and take it from you. Right, That's what the 276 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: lawyer's gonna advise it. 277 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 8: But let me ask you this, why get a lawyer 278 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 8: in the first place if you're not involved? And second, 279 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 8: ten days? I agree with their guests ten days. Who 280 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 8: waits ten days to figure out where somebody is, especially 281 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 8: mother of. 282 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 6: Your one year old? You know? 283 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: He also the lawyer says that what does this mean 284 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: to you? Doctor Daniel Bober you're the forensic psychiatrist. The 285 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: lawyer has added that the fiance for Zee will not 286 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: speak publicly because he does not want to quote impede 287 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: the police investigation. 288 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, Nancy, a lot of this stuff is 289 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 7: not this positive, but it's certainly very suspicious. I mean, 290 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 7: he's sort of reluctantly cooperating and sort of has to 291 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 7: be dragged to do it. So that's definitely concerning and 292 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 7: it seems like he definitely has something to hide, although 293 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 7: again it's not this positive. 294 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: Well, I agree with you, because let me go to you, 295 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott. When the chief of police are at Willland Park, 296 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: Chief Miles DeYoung was asked at the press conference about 297 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: the fiancee not being there, he simply said, you'd have 298 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: to ask him, okay to see. I can read a 299 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: lot into that response, Ashley. 300 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 8: Absolutely, he's not cooperating, and it sounds like law enforcement's 301 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 8: frustrated because where most people who have a missing person 302 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 8: in their life do anything in everything they can and 303 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 8: give law enforcement every shred of everything they need, the 304 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 8: boyfriend is not doing that. The fiance is not cooperating, 305 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 8: so I think it does indicate something's. 306 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: Amiss now the brother Clinton Beareth said that he realized 307 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: she was missing and he goes to her home and 308 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: what the brother Clinton Beareth says is the only thing 309 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: missing from the home was her pocketbook, her luggage, her makeup, 310 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: all untouched in her two vehicles are still at the home. 311 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: Ellen Calaurin, you left that little detail out. Both her 312 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: cars are at the house, her luggage, her makeup, all that. 313 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: The only thing missing is her pocketbook, which I'd like 314 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: to point out she had with her when she was 315 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: at the grocery store. 316 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 4: That's great, and not only was all of that stuff 317 00:17:55,600 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 4: left behind, but there was also a subscinamon al that 318 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 4: she had clearly just baked that day that by the 319 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 4: time they got there they were cold, but she. 320 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 8: Was baking in her kitchen, and it looks like she. 321 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 4: Just pulled out the role of school and had every 322 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 4: intention of coming back. They are absolutely so kind in 323 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 4: the home that she was planning on going away for 324 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 4: any other time. 325 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Kelsey Barris's body has never 326 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: been found. Her little girl now raised without a mother 327 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: or a father thanks to her mom's fiance, Patrick Frasy 328 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: and his mistress. Frasey appealed his conviction, and he targets 329 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: a meeting with the Teller County Department of Human Services 330 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: caseworker just days after his arrest. According to the Supreme 331 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: Court opinion, the caseworker met with Phrasey to discuss the 332 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: future his and Kelsey's baby. That caseworker then testified against Phrasey. 333 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: Frasey moved to suppress all those statements he made behind 334 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: bars during that meeting, arguing it was a custodial interrogation 335 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: and he was questioned by the caseworker without Miranda rights. Okay, 336 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: So the caseworker meets with Phrasey about his baby girl 337 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: that he orphaned, and now he's saying he should have 338 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: been mirandized before he spoke to the caseworker. Okay, that's unique. 339 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: How did the baby end up being an orphan? Phrasey? 340 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: Remember this? 341 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 11: Prasey's former girlfriend and Twin Falls woman, Crystal Kenny, made 342 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 11: a plea deal in exchange for the information outlined in 343 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 11: that report, and Atha David from the murder case of 344 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 11: Kelsey Bareth, revealing more graphic details about her death and 345 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 11: the months leading up to her leged murder. In court Tuesday, 346 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 11: prosecutors revealed Bareth's fiance Patrick Frazy blindfolded Bareth on Thanksgiving 347 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 11: Day before hitting and killing her with a baseball bat. 348 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 11: The information stemming from Frasey's former girlfriend and Idaho woman, 349 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 11: Crystal Lee Kenny. Kenny agreed to testify against Frasey as 350 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 11: part of a plea deal for tampering with evidence. On Wednesday, 351 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 11: The affidavit revealed Kenny told investigators that she traveled to 352 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 11: Colorado after Frasy said she needed to clean the murder 353 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 11: scene in Bareth's home, removing any traces of blood left 354 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 11: on the walls, couch, television, and even on the stuffed 355 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 11: animals belonging to the couple's one year old daughter. Kenny 356 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 11: also told investigators that Frasey was concerned that one of 357 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 11: Bareth's teeth were left behind. Kenny says she later found 358 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 11: it and got rid of it. The affidavit also shows 359 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 11: Frasey wanted Kenny to bring Bareth's body to Idaho, but 360 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 11: she says she refused, and instead Frasey burned the body. 361 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: Our friends at Denver seven reporting the very latest out 362 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: of a Colorado courtroom. Imancy Grace, this is crime Stories. 363 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. This is what we 364 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: are learning. We are learning that Patrick Frazy tricks his fiance, 365 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: the mother of his little girl Killy, into blindfolding her 366 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: and asking her to smell different scented candles, then rearing 367 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: back with a baseball bat is striking her in the 368 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: head and face. That he hits her so hard. His 369 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: big concern he didn't find all of her teeth that 370 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: he knocked out of her head. We go on in 371 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: this affidavit, if you comb over it very very carefully, 372 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: we learn that his mistress, Rodeo Queen, finds the tooth 373 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: with the root still attached and disposes of it. She 374 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: is in the thick of this on her hands and knees, 375 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: after traveling thirteen hours overnight to come to Patrick Frasey 376 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: at his becking call. Nobody had a gun to her 377 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: head driving through the night, leaving her two daughters. She 378 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 1: claims to be so worried about so she can clean up. 379 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: Frasey calls her and says, girl, you got a mess 380 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: to clean up, and she comes running, complete with a hairnet, 381 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: a surgeon smock, surgeon booties worn in eers surgical gloves, 382 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: bleach wind x and she spends the next four to 383 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: six hours on her hands and knees scrubbing. You know what, 384 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: I'm not buying it with me an all star panel 385 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: forensics expert, professor for ISICKS Jacksonville State University and author 386 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, 387 00:22:54,640 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: California prosecutor, Wendy Patrick, renowned forensics psychiatrist, doctor Daniel Judge, 388 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: lawyer anchor Ashley Wilcott at Ashewillcott dot Com and Crime 389 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter Ellen Kilaurin First of you, 390 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: as she will Cott when she says she did all 391 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: of this, cleaned Kelsey Bearris condo scrubbing. There was blood 392 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: on the bath mat that had to be thrown away, 393 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: blood on the commode, blood on the ceiling, blood in 394 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: the kitchen, blood on the oven mints, blood on the 395 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: baby's toys, who ps was in the next room in 396 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: a playpen while Phrasey murdered Kelsey Bear at the baby's mother. 397 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: Blood on toys, blood on stuffed animals, blood on the sofa, 398 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: blood on pillows, blood on books, blood everywhere on the 399 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: rock face of Kelsey's fireplace, everything soaked in blood on 400 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: oven mits, on Kelsey Bear's purse. She cleaned it all up. 401 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: And then while he after killing Kelsey goes and says 402 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: down to Thanksgiving dinner with his family. It certainly didn't 403 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: hurt his appetite. Then after she said listen, she goes 404 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: with him and arm in arm they watch the body 405 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: burn on a bonfire. Help me out, Ashley, Yeah, I 406 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: didn't mean to interrupt you. 407 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 5: But two things. 408 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 12: The first say is let's talk about him and the 409 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 12: fact that such a brutal, hanous murder. Of course, there's 410 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 12: blood on every inch of everything in that home. Of 411 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 12: course there is he beat her with a baseball bat. 412 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 12: Number two, she's complicit in this crime. You don't go 413 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 12: clean it up. You don't have information that, oh we've 414 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 12: tried and talked about killing her in the past. These 415 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 12: are crimes that you report to the police immediately. She's 416 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 12: complicit in this murder. 417 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: Well, you know, Ashley, you really hit the nail on 418 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: the head. And let me go to you. Wendy Patrick, 419 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: California Prosecutor. When you see an attack like this that 420 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: is so bloody, it's just chaos. Many experts say, oh, 421 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: that was a crime of passion bs Wendy, that's a 422 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: technical legal term. Because he had approached her I believe 423 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: four times, once to beate Kelsey with a baseball bat. 424 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: Once he gave her a metal pipe, according to her, 425 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: Once he wanted her to poison ke Is caramel of 426 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: macchiato with ambient and valium. And once they tried to 427 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: get her to come do the day but she was 428 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,719 Speaker 1: in Reno and couldn't get a ticket. This is well planned. 429 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: This is no spur of the moment murder, that's right. 430 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 13: And it's that chronology of sophisticated attempts, prior attempts that 431 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 13: really will just blow out of the water some kind 432 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 13: of a defense based on passion. And I think we 433 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 13: see that in cases like this frequently, where you have 434 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 13: to look at the history of what's gone on between 435 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 13: this couple of how has it been pre planned? But 436 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 13: given that, one of the things that strikes me about 437 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 13: this case, you know, it would have been much much calmer, 438 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 13: let's say, if it were a poisoning or something like this. 439 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 13: The brutality of the way the murder was finally committed 440 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 13: in this case is shocking, and it no doubt is 441 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 13: going to be shocking to people that are now going 442 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 13: to be deciding why it happened, how it happened and 443 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 13: who all is culpable before it? 444 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: So many horrific details revealed if you carefully come through 445 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: that arrestaff of David. 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Thank you 468 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: Blink for being our partner. 469 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 5: Prosecutors have met the burden to show there is enough 470 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 5: evidence to charge Patrick Frasey with murder. 471 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: He will stay in jail with no bond pending trial. 472 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 5: Central to the case for prosecutors is testimony from Crystal Leaf, 473 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 5: a woman we now know David Patrick in college. The 474 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 5: two also had an affair in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen. 475 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 5: Prosecutors save Phrasey asked her to kill Kelsey Bareth three 476 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 5: different times. 477 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 14: She sat and said I can't do this and tells 478 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 14: Patrick I can't do this. 479 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 5: We also know from court documents, Li says Frasey told 480 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 5: her to lie to the FBI in addition to help 481 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 5: make it look like Bareth was in Idaho and may 482 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 5: have killed herself. 483 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 10: Crystal cleans up blood, but leaves behind some telltale evidence 484 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 10: for our investigators to find. 485 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 5: Investigators spoke to three other people besides Lee about this case. 486 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 5: Each had details revealing the plan prosecutors say Frasey had 487 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 5: all along to kill Barett. It's still unclear exactly why 488 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 5: any of them did not come forward sooner and if 489 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 5: they could have saved Barett's life. 490 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: That was a question that was asked today. 491 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 14: Did she call police? 492 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: Is not one that was answered on the record. 493 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 5: You know, we are constrained that we can only talk 494 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 5: about what was put on the record on any particular day. 495 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: You're hearing CBS Denver Sean Chittnis talking the very latest 496 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: after coming through an ARRESTAFFI David and we got out 497 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: of the court room. You know, now she's saying that 498 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: she left blood behind. I'm talking about the girlfriend, Crystal 499 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: Lee left blood behind on the face of Kelsey's fireplace. 500 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: The murder occurred in the living room for cops to find. 501 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: You know, why not just call the cops when he 502 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: first asked her to commit murder? Straight out to crime 503 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: online dot Com, ellencylurin Ellen, I'm not really buying it 504 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: this She intentionally left blood behind for inspecters or detectives 505 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: to find. 506 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 6: Me neither, Nancy. That's one of my biggest problems with 507 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 6: her testimony. 508 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 4: I'm really really struggling with her claims that she said 509 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 4: after the fact that she did all of these things 510 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 4: to help investigators, that she left the blood on the fireplace, 511 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 4: but clean the rest of it up. If you really 512 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 4: wanted to help investigators, maybe don't dispose of the tooth 513 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 4: that was dislodged when Patrick Crazy allegedly beat Kelseybarris over 514 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 4: the head. If you really wanted to help investigators, you 515 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 4: would leave something more obvious. We're also learning some things 516 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 4: in the arrests Appetite but that was released yesterday. 517 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 6: That I'm not a lawyer, and I'm interested in what. 518 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 12: You all would legal experience believe. 519 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 4: But I'm worried that the defense is going to go 520 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 4: after a lot of things that we're learning, including the 521 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 4: fact that she lied to police. Initially they went to 522 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 4: meet her out in Las Vegas, where she was on 523 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 4: a trip, and she said that she didn't have a 524 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 4: relationship with Patrick Crazy. She said she'd never heard of 525 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 4: Kelsey Barris. And now the prosecution's case seems to be 526 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 4: hinging so much on her testimony and there's nobody. 527 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you I think that the study is 528 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: going to have to put her on the stand and 529 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: hold their nose at the time. I mean, Joseph Scott, Morgan, 530 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, Scott, what about forensics? Will 531 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: they carry the day? Because here's where I'm coming from, 532 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, this is not what I believe happened. But 533 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: Crystal Lee, the rodeo queen, his other lover, has really 534 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: set herself up for a claim that she's the killer. 535 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: She's there on the scene, she cleans up the blood, 536 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: she gets rid of evidence, she knows where the body is, 537 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: she knows what happened to it, and that he can 538 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: easily claim she did it. Will forensic cabinets carry the day? 539 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: Joe Scott let it go? 540 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 9: Yeah, Hey, I got to tell you, Nancy, I think 541 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 9: that the defense is really going to drill down on 542 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 9: this where they're going to try to pin it to 543 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 9: her more than likely. And look, I would if we 544 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 9: could have it in a perfect world, I'd love to 545 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 9: have this woman's body because I think that you're going 546 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 9: to find out a lot more information relative to these 547 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 9: injuries she sustained in the power that was involved in 548 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 9: bludgeoning her to death with this alleged baseball bat, and 549 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 9: you know, yeah, it's going to be very powerful at 550 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 9: the scene relative to what kind of testing they did 551 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 9: there this blood that was allegedly cleaned up in an 552 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 9: attempt to, you know, cover this whole thing up. Did 553 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 9: they get this to luminous with something like luminol out there? Oh? 554 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: I know they used it's in the affidavit. They used 555 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: the blue Star regent. Yeah. 556 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 9: Yeah. And what's really great about this? Do you remember 557 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 9: just a few moments ago you were talking about how 558 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 9: what was that amount of time that she drove to 559 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 9: get there? You said something like thirteen hours. 560 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, overnight. 561 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 9: Yeah, hey get this. Did you know that the longer 562 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 9: you allow these stains to set in place, it's just 563 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 9: like anything else, Nancy, a piece of clothing, the harder 564 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 9: it is to wipe away, to wipe away even using bleach, 565 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 9: any of trace elements of blood. So they waited a 566 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 9: long time before they clean this mess up. 567 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: What does that say to you? Let's go to our 568 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist joining us today at the Florida Jurisdiction, doctor 569 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: Daniel Bober, Doctor Bober, it just is beyond me how 570 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: he can beat her head in with a baseball bat 571 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: while she's smelling a candle he gave her with the 572 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: baby in a playpen in the next room, have a 573 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: horribly bloody crime scene, I mean soaked, soaked in blood, 574 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: and just fold her body up and put it in 575 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: a tote bag, put it in his pickup truck, drive 576 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 1: to his family's house with the baby, I guess, wash 577 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: his hands of the blood like Poncha's pilot, and sit 578 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: down to turkey and dressing in cranberry sauce like nothing's wrong, 579 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: leaving the crime scene, sitting there to decompose for two 580 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: full days for his mistress to come clean it up. 581 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: What is that, doctor Bober? 582 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 7: Cruise psychopathy, nancy, zero remorse, zero empathy, zero connection with 583 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 7: other human beings. But Crystal Lee is very interesting because 584 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 7: you know, she's claiming to be this clueless, hapless victim 585 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 7: that was unwillingly let down the path, and clearly she's complicit. 586 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 7: Clearly she's involved. She lies, she tried to conceal evidence, 587 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 7: she tampered with the scene, and I think she's, you know, 588 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 7: truly responsible. I think she knew exactly what she was 589 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 7: doing and she was intimately involved. 590 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: Straight out to Ellenclauraan, Crime online dot Com, investigative reporter 591 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: at crime online dot com, we have this and all 592 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: other breaking news and crime and justice to Eka. Let 593 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: me ask you a question. Let's talk about Crystal having 594 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: a gun in her car. I saw that in the affidavit, 595 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: especially as it relates to her best friend, Megan Garrison. 596 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 4: That's right, there's a new item in the appathavit that 597 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 4: shows not that Crystal. 598 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 6: Did a lot to cover up what she was doing. 599 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 4: She switched cards with her friend Megan, apparently because she 600 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 4: didn't want her very recent ex husband to know what 601 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 4: was going on, so she switched cards with her friend. 602 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 4: And the FBI interviewed the friend later in the investigation 603 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 4: and the friend. 604 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 1: Said that she has a gun. 605 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 6: We don't know what type of weapon, but. 606 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 4: She had a gun in her car, and the friend 607 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 4: Megan told investigators that there was It does not sound 608 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 4: like it's a gun that she uses very often. She 609 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 4: said that there was a bullet missing last night. I 610 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 4: called Spencer Curson, a friend of Crime Online and Crime 611 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 4: Stories who's a security expert, and he explained to me 612 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 4: that it's possible for a bullet to discharge from a 613 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,760 Speaker 4: gun without it being fired. But again, this is something 614 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 4: that I worry that the defense is going to look 615 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 4: at it and say, wait, second, what happened with this 616 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 4: gun and is it too late to get any kind 617 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 4: of ballistics from it? 618 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: To Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor, Wendy, where does this leave 619 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: Crystal Lee, the Rodeo queen, divorced mother of two, has 620 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: been dating Patrick Frasey since college. They reignited their love 621 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 1: according to this affidavit in around two thousand seventeen or eighteen. 622 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 1: I think that's according to the ex husband who's living 623 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: with her under the same roof. Where does this leave 624 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: her credibility? Because if you carefully read the affidavit, you 625 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: see that she lied to her best friend, Megan Garrison. 626 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 1: She told her best friend that she was going somewhere different. 627 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: She set up a fake email message that she had 628 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: to stay that night and that would be the night 629 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: she was cleaning up the murder scene with Megan because 630 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: she was quote too drunk to drive something some bs 631 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: like that in case her ex husband read the emails. Okay, 632 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: so she's setting up a fake email, She goes and 633 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: gets a new phone to get rid of all the 634 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: cell phone evidence. She cleans the crime scene. She's been 635 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: solicited three or four times to commit murder and never 636 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: calls the police. She stands there arm in arm with 637 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: Patrick Frazy while they watch the black toad bag with 638 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: silver handles, milt with a heap as she describes it 639 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: inside and she won't she won't say it to cops. 640 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: But she knew that was Kelsey's body and cash this. 641 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: You got the mom too, Frasey's mom, Sheila, who was 642 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: home at the time of the bonfire. So what's her credibility? 643 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,919 Speaker 1: What is uh Crystal Lee's credibility? 644 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 13: Yeah, Nancy, it leaves her in a really bad spot 645 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 13: when it comes to being a credible witness. And when 646 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 13: we discuss the relationship she had with the defendant in 647 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 13: this case, the killer. You know, I know that it 648 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 13: sounds like, oh, it was an affair. They used to 649 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 13: be sweethearts back in the day. It's a relationship of 650 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 13: power and control to commit a murder and then insist 651 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 13: she come over and clean up the mess, No doubt. 652 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 13: These are the kinds of cases where a woman that's 653 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 13: involved often says I was under the influence of the 654 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 13: perpetrator and I didn't I feared what would happen if 655 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 13: I didn't comply with his requests. If you were to 656 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 13: look at it through that lens, she might have more 657 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 13: credibility than not. But again, Nancy, like you just pointed 658 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 13: out this long list of inconsistencies and dishonest statements that 659 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 13: are listed in the affidavit, that's got to amount to 660 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 13: a huge blow to credibility, notwithstanding the fact that she 661 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 13: was involved in a very sick relationship. 662 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 10: Crystal and tells us that on October I'm sorry, November 663 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 10: twenty second Thanksgiving, Patrick kills Kelsey in a horrific manner 664 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 10: with a bat in the back of the head as 665 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 10: Kelsey is sniffing candles with a blindfold over her eyes. 666 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 10: Crystal tells us that Patrick then calls her after he 667 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 10: has put Kelsey in a black plastic tote, calls Crystal to. 668 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 14: Count and help him clean up. She does not come 669 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 14: out that day. 670 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 10: She cannot come out that day, but she does come 671 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 10: out on October twenty fourth, and as Crystal describes, when 672 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 10: she walks into Kelsey's condo, the scene is horrific. There's 673 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 10: blood everywhere. There are bloody footprints everywhere. 674 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace in the last days, The 675 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: Colorado Supreme Court rules the caseworker was not acting as 676 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 1: LA law enforcement when meeting with Frasey, and therefore there 677 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: was no reason to give Phrasey his Miranda rights. The 678 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: court went on to determine the DHS worker had an 679 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: independent duty to investigate the safety and protection of Bear's baby, 680 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: and it was not to further the investigation against Phrasey 681 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: by law enforcement. That's a whole other can of worms 682 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: than when you're being interrogated by police. Patrick Frasey to 683 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: remain behind bars for a now. Anyway, the Colorado Supreme 684 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: Court upholds his murder conviction, probably because of the incendiary 685 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: nature of the facts that came out at trial. Trust me, 686 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: it ain't over yet. Frasey is going to appeal this 687 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: all the way to the US Supreme Court if he can, 688 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,879 Speaker 1: and we wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace's crime story. 689 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: Signing off