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Speaker 2: Hull ah for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for Dake Edo State?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Whoo whoo? And no Dan and Tie Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: my great and good friend, welcome back to the solid

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Speaker 1: verbal How are you today?

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Speaker 2: It's my favorite kind of episode, Tie, an episode on

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Speaker 2: which in which I can speak on behalf of people

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Speaker 2: who never asked for me to do so, who in

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Speaker 2: no way are begging me to speak on me. But no,

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Speaker 2: we're speaking on behalf of ourselves as fans today, and

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Speaker 2: hopefully some of what we say resonates with people who

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Speaker 2: are listening who are also fans, because at the end

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Speaker 2: of the day, we approach this sport as two people

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Speaker 2: who want this sport to thrive, and I think we're

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Speaker 2: going to do our best to represent the people Capital T,

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Speaker 2: capital P. And so if I get to speak on

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Speaker 2: behalf of my wife loves when I do this, By

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Speaker 2: the way, I'm familiar with this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I am not to speak for Jody, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I'm excited for this episode.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back one and all Hit Fall Hit Subscribe if

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Speaker 1: Today is state of the Union, state of the sport

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Speaker 1: of whatever we want to call it. We promise we

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Speaker 1: won't go as long as the real one. But you

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Speaker 1: and I have a collection of topics, let's say, across

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Speaker 1: college football. We like to do this once a year

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Speaker 1: and we try to suss out where everything is at.

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Speaker 1: You brought this to me this morning, so we each

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Speaker 1: took a little bit of time studying up our respective corners.

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Speaker 1: And you want to grade all these topics on a

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Speaker 1: scale of one to five.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, this is our more than a state of

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Speaker 2: the Union. This is our annual physical for the sport. Right,

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Speaker 2: this is us turning our heads and coughing. But with

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Speaker 2: regard to look it up kids, with regard to how

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Speaker 2: healthy we feel like various elements of the sport are

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Speaker 2: with regard to first and foremost, because of how we

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Speaker 2: who want this sport to succeed.

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Speaker 1: Would you say that we're just only fans?

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Speaker 2: What I mean? You're gonna have to explain that pun

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Speaker 2: to me. We are not only fans, tye, we are

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Speaker 2: fans and much more. I just tie. This is a

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Speaker 2: college football show. So if you want to focus, this

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Speaker 2: would be a great time.

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Speaker 1: Tie focus.

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Speaker 2: But yes, this is us, this is the physical, this

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Speaker 2: what's going on here? You know we're gonna tap a

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Speaker 2: kneecap that does that still happen? I have no idea,

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Speaker 2: We're we are going to examine like the nodes underneath

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Speaker 1: Checking them right now. I don't feel any protrusions. I

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Speaker 2: So yes, and we're going to talk about the topics

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Speaker 1: Why don't we start at the very top though, before

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it all comes back to doray me Ty.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of I think about when you're talking about

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, I think there is a disconnect too

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And look, this sport is also at

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Speaker 2: Right now, the ACC has unequal payouts, like the idea

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Speaker 2: Where the money isn't isn't coming from what the spirit

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Speaker 2: There are probably too many teams and too many players

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Speaker 2: There's one hundred percent upside.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there's a lot of upside there. Like we went

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent is a net gain for the fans.

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Speaker 2: So what's the obvious upside is new matchups and opportunity

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Speaker 1: Maybe if we get conferences that big, we can start

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Speaker 1: kicking the tires on promotion relegation, my lifelong dream. I'm

438
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Speaker 1: anti All right, let's zoom in on the scheduling, please,

439
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Speaker 1: scheduling scale of one to five. Where is it at

440
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Speaker 1: health wise?

441
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Speaker 2: You know, I actually think I'm sort of between a

442
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Speaker 2: three four. I'm a three point six. Are we allowed

443
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Speaker 2: to do decimals here to your show? With the SEC

444
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: going to nine games? And you know, we've seen the

445
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 2: stories about Alabama hemming and hawing allegedly about the Ohio

446
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: state matchup and Texas canceling ASU. And I'm sure there

447
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: are going to be teams in the Big ten who

448
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Speaker 2: are going to question future matchups based on whether or

449
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Speaker 2: not it gets them into the playoff if it stays

450
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Speaker 2: at twelve or sixteen or whatever. But nine game conference schedules, yeah,

451
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: I think are can only be a good thing. We're

452
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Speaker 2: trying to maximize the number of intriguing games.

453
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Speaker 1: And intrigue matching is what you're yees describing here. Quality

454
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Speaker 1: maxic quality maxing. Yeah, I have.

455
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Speaker 2: No idea for using that famology erectly, and that's what

456
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Speaker 2: the sort of uproar was about. The SEC is like,

457
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Speaker 2: why would we schedule these interesting events when they're going

458
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: to be held against us? And I think it's looked

459
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Speaker 2: at improperly. But I understand the frustration that if you're

460
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Speaker 2: only going to look at the number in the lost

461
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: column without the full context, that's frustrating.

462
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Speaker 1: It is frustrating.

463
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Speaker 2: I totget that if you nearly lose to Mississippi State

464
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: and Kentucky and do lose to Florida, those losses are

465
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Speaker 2: meaningful as well, and those wins are meaningful, Like you

466
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 2: should look at the full context. I think we're just

467
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 2: going to get to the point where everybody's going to

468
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Speaker 2: be in the playoff and so we're not going to

469
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Speaker 2: have to worry about those arguments, and so hopefully we

470
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Speaker 2: do see interesting Texas Michigan type home and homes once again.

471
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Speaker 2: But I think from a scheduling perspective, I think the

472
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Speaker 2: thing that we're still missing is regulating FCS opponents. Are

473
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Speaker 2: we four at regulating FCS opponents? Are we anti are

474
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Speaker 2: should we take? Is there some sort of even if

475
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: it's not fully centralized on a national level, like, can

476
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Speaker 2: we sort of standardize how these home and homes or

477
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Speaker 2: TV games on neutral sites are schedule Like that, to

478
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Speaker 2: me is the one thing that we're truly missing in

479
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: this sport is leaving scheduling up to the schools themselves

480
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: rather than having some kind of regulated Okay, the Big

481
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: twelve for the next five years is going to be

482
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Speaker 2: rotating and playing Big ten teams kind of stuff. That

483
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Speaker 2: to me is the last And look, I understand why

484
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: these teams do the by games and play FCS teams

485
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: or play lower level G six games like it's a

486
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: meaningful payday for a lot of these plays that keeps

487
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Speaker 2: them afloat to whatever level, and for the good of

488
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Speaker 2: the health of the sport, I'm open to it. Maybe

489
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Speaker 2: let's not play those games on November fifteenth, SEC, right,

490
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: Maybe let's standardize when those games are happening. But I

491
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: think if we can regulate and standardize how teams schedule

492
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Speaker 2: each other outside of the conference, then we're really cooking

493
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Speaker 2: with gas.

494
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Speaker 1: What I found interesting when I went through this is

495
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Speaker 1: so many of the items that I took issue with

496
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Speaker 1: we're more related to the calendar than they were. The

497
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Speaker 1: scheduling and so I actually gave it a four out

498
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Speaker 1: of five. Okay, I gave it a four out of

499
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Speaker 1: five because, yeah, with conferences going to more conference games,

500
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Speaker 1: I think that's a net gain for the fans. One

501
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: point of contention that I have had for a long time,

502
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Speaker 1: and you know, we talked about this time and again

503
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Speaker 1: on this show. Gosh, I feel like forever, why do

504
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: we need to schedule games five years in advance?

505
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Speaker 2: It's a good question. I mean, teams want to get

506
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: out ahead of it, and they want to make sure

507
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: that they can fill before their options become limited. But

508
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Speaker 2: that's that's another point, like why why is the Baylor

509
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: ad or whoever is making these decisions in wakel Why

510
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: is he or she able to say, like, yeah, let's

511
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Speaker 2: just schedule Virginia in twenty forty four.

512
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Speaker 1: Because like a recent example now is what the PAC

513
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Speaker 1: twelve is doing with flex scheduling, and I think it's

514
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: a thing that more conferences should consider. Now we got

515
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: to see how it goes with more conference games and

516
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: you know the SEC. But like the idea would be

517
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: very simple, leave a late season slot open. Let the

518
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 1: conference or whoever, I don't know, let somebody decide a

519
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: matchup based on who is in the best position maybe

520
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. I guess each conference could set

521
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: their own criteria. Obviously, if it's a smaller conference like

522
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Speaker 1: the PAC twelve, then it maybe has a little bit

523
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: of a different meaning than if you're in one that's

524
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Speaker 1: got sixteen or eighteen teams. But I think adding some

525
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: element of variability would be really interesting. I don't know

526
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Speaker 1: if I'm going to go for it, but I think

527
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Speaker 1: that that would be interesting to me.

528
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that lives in real life. By

529
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Speaker 2: the way, the like open date flex schedule, Well, it

530
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: does for the PAC twelve. It does for the PAC twelve,

531
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Speaker 2: but they're sort of it's not gimmicky, but they're trying

532
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Speaker 2: to do what they can to be innovative and see

533
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Speaker 2: if it works.

534
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Speaker 1: They're trying to boost their playoff credibility by doing trying

535
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: to give their best teams a shot to play better competitions,

536
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: see where their strength of schedule comes down, and maybe

537
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: pour a little bit of gasoline on that possibility. I

538
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: think it's a novel idea. I'm curious to see how

539
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: it works in practicality. You mentioned FCS teams, These FCS

540
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: games almost never produce a competitive game. Almost never. In

541
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Speaker 1: some cases maybe, but those are few and far between.

542
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Speaker 1: I would say, from the standpoint of a fan watching

543
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: the games, I would prefer to see a game that's

544
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more competitive. That being said, if we

545
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: are looking at this thing holistically, FCS programs rely on

546
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: that income in order to stay afloat. So maybe there's

547
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: some regulation or mandates that need to go on to

548
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: help govern when those teams are played and how often

549
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: they're played in that type of thing. I don't think

550
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: it's something you can completely banish, even if it doesn't

551
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: make for the most competitive games.

552
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Or you just like those are weak or week two,

553
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: those are a week zero or week one. Yeah.

554
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: And my biggest proposal is just to get rid of

555
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: week zero and get call it week one. It's call

556
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: week one, man, what are we doing here?

557
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: Start the season a week before? What is this?

558
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: We already have a timing issue with the season running

559
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: too long. The postseason this year is going to stretch

560
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: to like what is it January twentieth or twenty first

561
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: or twenty fifth. It's late in January. It's an extra week.

562
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: If we're going to add a week at the start

563
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: of the season, or if we're gonna, I should say

564
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Speaker 1: at a week to the end of the season. Just

565
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: push everything up a week. Man, what are we doing here?

566
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're you're pushing everything. You're you're eliminating a

567
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: week of summer. You're pushing camp up a week, which

568
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: I get. You know, a lot of these places are

569
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: very hot.

570
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm pushing I'm pushing this season up a week, two weeks.

571
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: Zerom getting rid of week zero. It's dumb.

572
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: A lot of night games, right if you're sure playing

573
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: in the Deep South, if you're playing in Arizona or

574
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: something like that in the August.

575
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: And then I'm also getting rid of conference championship games.

576
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: I understand this is more of a calendar thing than

577
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: it is actually like a scaled thing. Yeah, but move

578
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: it up a week, get rid of conference championship games.

579
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: This is not a new proposal. I've heard a lot

580
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: of people talking about this. But there is no reason

581
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: the season needs to run this long. There's no reason

582
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: we need ten days in between playoff games. Get this

583
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: whole thing over as quickly as we can as close to,

584
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: if not on January first, as possible, so that the

585
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: rest of the calendar can work itself out.

586
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: But right now, what you're doing is you are prescribing

587
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: ways to improve. Like, yes, when I go to my

588
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: physical I should run a ten k every morning. I

589
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: know there are a lot of things that make sense

590
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: for me to do. We're evaluating the current health, not

591
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 2: looking at the like drink more water, eat more fiber.

592
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: I give it a four. Current health, I give it

593
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: a four. If we were to lump this together with

594
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: some of my wacky proposals, I don't think they're that wacky,

595
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: but some of my proposals. Lump it in with that

596
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: broader calendar discussion and that everybody seems to take issue

597
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: with right now, that's how we get to a five.

598
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: But right now, as it stands, I would tend to

599
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: agree with you three and a half fours. That feels

600
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: about right to me.

601
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: I think every year that Notre Dame decides if we're

602
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: going to prescribe something, Every year that Notre Dame decides that, no,

603
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: they're not going to join a conference. This year, one

604
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: true home game is taken away. Notre Dame will have

605
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: to play eleven true road games. No neutrals. Okay, if

606
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: they want to keep along this path as as teams

607
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: are adding conference games and we're moving the season up,

608
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: and we're taking away conference championship games which Notre Dame

609
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: already wasn't playing in.

610
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: Stop it.

611
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: You take away one home game for Notre Dame each

612
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: season they don't join a conference.

613
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: Natural transition then to the college football playoff?

614
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: Okay, where's your health? What's your health evaluation for the playoff?

615
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: Something tells me you and I are going to disagree

616
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: greatly on this.

617
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll see.

618
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm at a four or five on it. Four out

619
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: of five, four out of five? Okay, where are you at?

620
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: Two?

621
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: I've always been a playoff guy, you know. I want

622
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: the champions settled on the field. I don't want to

623
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: argue about it in a conference room. I don't want

624
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: to leave it up to a computer. That is my baseline,

625
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: always in forever, established nineteen eighty one, that is where

626
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: I am at. And the fact that we now have

627
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: a twelve team format that I think mostly works. We

628
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: can argue about the process and I will, but for me,

629
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: I think that's a huge win and I'll acknowledge it's

630
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: not perfect. But you know, having done this with me

631
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: for all of these years. That has always been my

632
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: consistent stance on the playoff and the postseason.

633
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: All I hear when I talk to the uh, I'm

634
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: gonna be careful what I say here.

635
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: Ty.

636
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: All I hear when I speak to the least creative,

637
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: weirdest people I come across, is you better embrace AI

638
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: man And all of a sudden, you don't want a computer?

639
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: You want Hunter.

640
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: You're a check.

641
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: You want that I deciding things? Okay, what I have.

642
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: To do with Are you implying that Hunter your check

643
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: is like chat GPT.

644
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: Well no, what I'm saying is everybody's saying you have

645
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: to lean into the computer except for you. Tie Right,

646
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: you're saying, and I'm a computer instead of AI. You

647
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: want Hunter? I know, right.

648
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: No, I don't want that. That's my next point here

649
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: on my sheet.

650
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 2: Well, you're like, it's not perfect.

651
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: That's why it's not perfect, because a Hunter, you're a check.

652
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: I'm at a two because I don't have anything to evaluate.

653
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: It changes every year. Right that our playoff structure is

654
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: defined only by change changing. Who is in the committee,

655
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: How many committee members there are? What the committee's stance is,

656
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: how many teams there are, how many teams get automatic

657
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: bids or I guess which teams get automatic bids. All

658
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: we have no consistent data to go on, and so

659
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: there are elements of the playoff I love, right. I

660
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 2: love the novelty of the playoff paired with an ability

661
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: to improve your roster in novel ways, gives us novel

662
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: results like Indiana this year. I think it's a good

663
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: thing to bring more people fans, even if they're casual fans,

664
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 2: into the tent. I'm great with that. I'm great with

665
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: the idea of if we hire the right coach, if

666
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 2: we hire the right tamper squad, then we can build

667
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 2: a roster that's more competitive than any roster we can remember.

668
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting element to college football in

669
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six and moving forward. But with regard to

670
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: the playoff, one the conversation around the playoff is NonStop, toxic, NonStop.

671
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: It brings out the worst in people, which is very

672
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: difficult to do when you're as consistently the worst as

673
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: somebody like urban Meyer is right, Like, it's tough to

674
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: have like an urban Meyer take be especially awful. But

675
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: here we are, and so that to me is not

676
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: a great thing for the playoff, the idea of the

677
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: playoff expanding to the point where teams are willing to

678
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: cancel interesting regular season matchups. How many how many games

679
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: are we going to go up to? How many you

680
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: know teams making the playoff? Are we going to go

681
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: up to where teams are going to start making, you know,

682
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: start bench decisions like NFL teams in week seventeen, eighteen nineteen,

683
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: wherever the NFL is right now, I worry about that

684
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 2: with the playoff. If we go to twenty four teams,

685
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: then you're dealing with, Okay, how many playoff games is

686
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: this team going to play? Do I have to make

687
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: rest decisions that I didn't have to make before. So

688
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: where we are now at the playoff, I give a

689
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: two because it's just an exercise in changing things constantly

690
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: toxic conversation affecting the regulars season. I think the on

691
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: field product has been outstanding for the most part in

692
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: the college of well playoff, which is why it's not

693
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: a one that brings it up to me, right, But

694
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: like you know, having all these games because of the

695
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: Bulls playing domes, I just I don't know, there's just

696
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: nothing consistent to me about the playoff, and that's why

697
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 2: it sort of gets tugged down to it too.

698
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: All right, well let me start on that note. Okay,

699
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: and I knew we were going to fundamentally disagree on this.

700
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: We've always disagreed on this. A. The process bothers me.

701
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: The selection process bothers me, and I wish I had

702
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: a better solution the TV show. But yeah, right now,

703
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: and that's my beef with it right now, it feels artificial,

704
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: and it feels like it's made for TV drama, like

705
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: this past season. That was what the entire thing was

706
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: this past season. I'm not saying they picked the wrong

707
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: teams per se, but it was manufacture drama and we

708
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: don't need that. This weekly ranking show, the reveals, like

709
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: the talking heads arguing over bubble teams, but then they're

710
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: not really bubble teams in the very like. All of that,

711
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: I think underscores a complaint that people have been writing

712
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: into us about for the last couple of years, and

713
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: that is that this is a process built for the

714
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: networks and for the suits and not necessarily to establish

715
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: further credibility for the system. Right, That's an issue that

716
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: they got to try and resolve. Maybe they don't have

717
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: to resolve it because the money's already there. But from

718
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: my standpoint, that's a problem. I'd rather they just release

719
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: the damn rankings stand give us like a written rationale

720
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: and we can all read it on ESPN dot com

721
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: and we'll just go with that. I don't We don't

722
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: need Rehys Davis badgering Hunter Yurachak or whoever. I don't.

723
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't. That doesn't do anything for me.

724
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: You're right, It's that it's finding the line between Okay,

725
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: is this a thing about competition or is this a

726
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: thing about story? Right that the term we like right

727
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: too cute? ESPN got too cute with its weekly TV show.

728
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: I don't need that.

729
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: I have yet to meet anybody who and I know

730
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people make content around in We're in

731
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: that group as well.

732
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, But like.

733
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: I think, if you gave people truth Serum, even the

734
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: ones that are going live right after those rankings reveals

735
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: with truth Serum, they all be like, we don't need this,

736
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: do need this? What do we need this for? Just

737
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: release it on the website. So that's the first issue

738
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: that I take with it, And then the second is

739
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: not where it's at right now, but where I fear

740
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: it could go. And I really feel like they're losing

741
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: people with this constant talk of expansion. You know, like

742
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: twelve is fine, I'm okay with twelve. I think sixteen

743
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: is probably my line in the sand. I think you

744
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: can get to sixteen without upsetting the balance too much.

745
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: But anything beyond sixteen, man, I mean that changes the sport.

746
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: You go to twenty four teams, which is being talked about.

747
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: I feel like every week now I worry that that

748
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: water's down the regular season in a way that I'm

749
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: just not comfortable with, and so I'm curious to see

750
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: where they come down on things. It also feels to

751
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: me like those conversations are not being driven by fans.

752
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: I don't know who's asking for that. That's Tony Petiti,

753
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: that's Greg Sankee, that's probably the suits at ESPN.

754
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: Right, they're trying to make it into something that was

755
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: never an appeal point about the sport for people of

756
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: at least of a certain age. Right, we're you know,

757
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: aging ourselves here. But like you know, the riz is clear,

758
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: tie stop it stop with this now. Sorry what I say?

759
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: Twenty two per twenty one percent? Whatever it is it's

760
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: going to be down to like ten percent after.

761
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: You just don't understand my generation tie, You just don't understand.

762
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: Playoffs maxing here, Yes, of course.

763
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: No, it's it's not understanding the main thing. It's not

764
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: understanding the appeal point. It's saying like, oh, everything evolves,

765
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: everything changes, and then people stop watching and people stop

766
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 2: paying attention because you alienate enough of them.

767
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: Now, I think having greater access matters. Sure, and I

768
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: know this is something that we talked a lot about

769
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: in the immediate aftermath after we found out what the

770
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: brackets looked like. But I stand by it, and I

771
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: don't care if there were upsets or excuse me, I

772
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: don't care if they were blowouts. There have been blowouts

773
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: since they put the four team playoff in place, since

774
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: the BCS was put in place. Blowouts happen. That is

775
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: not a reason not to do something. I think the

776
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: fact that James Madison Tulane got in at all is

777
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: a very very big deal.

778
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: Definitely.

779
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: I think this sport is better when a team like

780
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: a JMU or a Tulane can get there, even if

781
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna get wopped once they arrive. Truly, I think

782
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: think if everybody is going to be under the FBS umbrella.

783
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: It only seems fair to me that everybody should have

784
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: a shot to get into that tournament.

785
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: And when JAMU gets to the playoff, no matter what happens,

786
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: they accumulate the clout and the attention and the goodwill

787
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: needed to hire. And it says here Billy Napier, it

788
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: says here on my sheet and lose. Well, that do

789
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: you understand, right? Like when you succeed at a high

790
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 2: level as a medium sized school a smaller school, that's

791
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 2: that's a risk. But BILLI Napier is a choice.

792
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: Billy Napier is a choice. I don't hate that choice.

793
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: But okay, I thought the playoff just as a TV show,

794
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: as a fan of the sport, I thought the playoffs

795
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: were great. I really enjoyed the playoffs this year. I

796
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: think giving access to the likes of James Madison Untu

797
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: Lane really in G five school, I like that that

798
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: is a possibility that we can get to of those

799
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: teams in sure. And again I just harken back to

800
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,479
Speaker 1: what I've been saying all these years now, if you're

801
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: gonna play any sport, you need to have a real

802
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: fair way of determining a champion and a playoff I think,

803
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is the best way to do that.

804
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: If everybody is considered to be you know, an FBS

805
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: team or something like, right, everybody is just can play

806
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: each other in bowl games, can play each other during

807
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: the regular season.

808
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: And everybody should have a shot at the thing. You know.

809
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna act like all teams are created equal.

810
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: You know, that's not the case. We'll get into NIL

811
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: and revenue sharing and all that crap. I think what's

812
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: fair is fair. I give it a four out of

813
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: five for now. I think there are ways they could

814
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: push it up to a five, maybe by modifying the process,

815
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: but I think the health buy and large of the

816
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: playoff is still in a place where I'm comfortable with it.

817
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I disagree, But the best thing about the

818
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: playoff is clearly the the ability to have high level

819
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: competition being in the opening round quarters time I championship game,

820
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: especially between teams who haven't always been there or rarely

821
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: get there, or are now able to position themselves via

822
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: you know, the NIL portal era as somebody who can

823
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: build a playoff if not championship caliber team, So we're

824
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: access maxing here ty.

825
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: Scale of one to five. What is the health of

826
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: the TV product? Dan watching the games on TV as

827
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: a fan at home, I have it as a four.

828
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: I have it as a four as well.

829
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: I think we are. It's very easy to nitpick the

830
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 2: smaller elements of watching the game at home, and there

831
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: are definitely things that take it from a five to

832
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: a four despite having way more access, Like if I

833
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: want it, if I live in Juno, if I live

834
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: in Bucharest and I'm a North Texas fan, if I'm

835
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: a Colgate fan, if I'm a you know, Eastern Washington fan,

836
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: you know Oregon State fan, whatever, I can figure out

837
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: a pretty direct way to watch it. Maybe I need

838
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 2: to beat a VPN or something.

839
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how you're watching Eastern Washington from Bucharest,

840
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: but continue.

841
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 2: I'm doing a lot of VPN research then whatever, a

842
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: lot of nord VPN subscriptions. But it's not not a

843
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: sponsor cooping, but the availability of these games, the availability

844
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: of a high percentage of these games broadcast in high

845
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 2: quality HD or even four K, the availability of a

846
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 2: lot of these bigger matchups, especially in the playoff. To

847
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 2: watch it with a radio call from your local team

848
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: or from the skycam or you know that there are

849
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 2: just options available to watch it on your phone via

850
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: YouTube TV to watch it, you know, if you're on vacation,

851
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: like there's just the access, the quality. And I'm not

852
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: even talking about announcers. That's highly subjective, right, but I

853
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: can't question that one hundred percent of these announcers aren't

854
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: trying to do their best. Nobody's thrown the broadcast like

855
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: they're trying their best. Some of them, You're just not

856
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: going to like some of them. You're going to feel like,

857
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, in reality or not, are sort

858
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 2: of rooting for an outcome or sympathetic to one team

859
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: over the other. But I think a lot of them,

860
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of them will say are trying their

861
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: best to provide a quality broadcast.

862
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: And the other one percent is Tim Brando continue, right.

863
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: I just I think we are at a golden era

864
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: if we're strictly talking about the TV product of games themselves,

865
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: and they're you know, there are things that are going

866
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 2: to inform that, right that that we have the Big

867
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 2: ten accepting so much money from Fox that Fox can dictate. Yeah,

868
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: Ohio State you're playing all your games at twelve eastern.

869
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 2: That stinks for the fan. I jotted that down. That's

870
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: no good, or that because a big game is happening

871
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: in the Fox noon window, that UCLA or Oregon is

872
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 2: going to be playing a nine am body clock game

873
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: at Northwestern or something, that's not amazing. But in terms

874
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: of you sitting on your couch and being able to

875
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 2: watch your team in a high quality broadcast, and like, yes,

876
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 2: there are gonna be the late nights, they're gonna be

877
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: the early mornings, they're gonna be the difficult two fines situation.

878
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: Like we're playing on ESPN Plus. Do we get ESPN Plus?

879
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 2: Do I have the ESPN Plus app? Do they make

880
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: the ESPN Plus app for you know, your Amazon whatever. Yes,

881
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: it's much more complicated, and that's not great. But these

882
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 2: are all surmountable obstacles to me that you can figure

883
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 2: out within five to eight minutes. So I'm gonna I'm

884
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: gonna keep it out of four. If you're talking about

885
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 2: the totality of college football on television and you include

886
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: studio shows and game Day and stuff like that.

887
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: And like Megan Trainer, State farm commercials and things of

888
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: that nature.

889
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 2: Drug commercials, your your sky Rizzy's, your Wee's GOVI Uh,

890
00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: it's closer to it too.

891
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

892
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: I think we are not in a golden era of

893
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: shoulder programming my opinion. But in terms of the games themselves,

894
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: in terms of working some of like younger recently retired

895
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: players as color analysts or sideline people like I think

896
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: it's at a high quality place. A.

897
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: The broadcasts I would say generally are pretty good yep.

898
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: And there are more of them than ever before. That's

899
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: a win yeap. B. They made an effort two years

900
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 1: ago now to try and shorten games. I think that's

901
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: helped yep. I think the product moves a little quicker

902
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: than it did a couple of years ago. I hope

903
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: we get more of the four K broadcast right now.

904
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: The four K broadcasts are like the biggest unlock if

905
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: you've got access to it, because, especially if you're watching

906
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: on ESPN, as I did through most of the playoff games,

907
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: when they go to commercial, they just go to like

908
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: static camera shot. Sometimes people are making out and sometimes

909
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: you never know what you're going to see on that camera.

910
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: Four K smuchin.

911
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,959
Speaker 1: But the four K technology has now found its way

912
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: into the broadcast. That's been the case for a couple

913
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: of years, but it seems as if they've added to that,

914
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: which I think is a pretty good thing for the

915
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: home viewer. I share your admiration for the skycam. I

916
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: love watching games on the skycam, but you know, we've

917
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: seen I think a little bit more of that. The

918
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: things that I would call out though, other than the commercials,

919
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: which I know everybody hates, I'm pro replay the replays

920
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: a little much. It's a little much right now, and

921
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: this is more of an on field product thing that

922
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: I think we can talk about next. But I think

923
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: the replay technology and the ways that they show the

924
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: replay to the home viewer, specifically, like what they did

925
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: with the ACC and how they gave you access to

926
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: the two way communications between the head official and the

927
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: command center. I thought that part was awesome. That was

928
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: the biggest like level of cool, transparent yeah that we

929
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: saw all of this past season. That was awesome. So

930
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: they did from a TV product standpoint, they did a

931
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: good job of that. It's just unfortunate that because we

932
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: have so many replays, it makes the games drown on

933
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: a little bit longer, and I think does sometimes throw

934
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: some cold water on the experience. But beyond that, I

935
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: think the tech is in a really good spot. I

936
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: think there have been great strides. There's probably an entirely

937
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: separate podcast episode we can do on on screen graphics,

938
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: which I think you'd be very passionate about. Yeah, we

939
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: don't need to go there, as.

940
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 2: Can we go one place? Can we go one place?

941
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 1: Sure?

942
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: The only it's not about on screen graphics. My favorite

943
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: thing that I didn't even know was going to be

944
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 2: my favorite thing happened during the Gator Bowl this year.

945
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're gonna know what I'm talking about.

946
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: Gator It was between I think Miszoo and Virginia. The

947
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 2: Gator Bowl in Jacksonville. Yes, Okay, is the Gator Bowl

948
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: in Jacksonville?

949
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: I believe so.

950
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: Gator Bowl Jacksonville. Yes, the tax Slayer Gator Bowl great

951
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 2: at EverBank Stadium. This was not unique to ESPN's broadcast

952
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 2: this year. I think Fox made the same mistake a

953
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. They recycled b roll and showed

954
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: a waterside mall that was demolished in twenty nineteen. As

955
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 2: they were like, coming back from commercial, that's just gonna

956
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: happen that's just gonna happen, especially when you don't vary

957
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: what you film, Like when games are in Seattle, they

958
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: always show the fish being thrown at the market. You

959
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: gotta throw the fish, gotta throw the fish the fish.

960
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: So maybe that brings it down from a five to

961
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: a four. That they're not sending people to send to

962
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: get b roll shots before these games. But I can

963
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: live with all of that. It is funny though, I

964
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: think we're in a good place. I think we're in

965
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: the large good place. Yeah, same on field product Dan

966
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: one through five. Where yet five out of five? I

967
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: too have a five out of five? Okay, there is

968
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 2: something about where we are right now. And I just

969
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: went through the last couple of years and I looked

970
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: at the quarterbacks. I looked at some of the running

971
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: back names, and maybe it's just because it's March and

972
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: I'm wistful and I miss watching these games, or I'm like, yeah,

973
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: that guy was like the sixty seventh most efficient quarterback.

974
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: But I enjoyed watching Leonoris Sellers. There's an entertainment factor

975
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 2: there is, especially at or near the top or especially

976
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 2: with quarterbacks, that if a quarterback is at a big

977
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: enough place that there's at least a conversation about returning

978
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: and having more consistency, yes, which I think is a

979
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: positive thing. Now, we're always going to see quarterback moving, right,

980
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: We're always going to see Sam Levitt go to LSU

981
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 2: or a Brandon sore As we go to Texas Tech.

982
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: But at least it's a conversation that a guy doesn't

983
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: have to always go to the NFL after a really

984
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: strong junior season or red shirt junior season, that if

985
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: somebody is important enough to their team and that you know,

986
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: the team is treated well, the culture is strong enough

987
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 2: out of place that you can have some continuity, at

988
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 2: least at the top of your roster. It's tough to

989
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: bring back like an entire promising backup defensive line, understandably so,

990
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: especially if you're Ohio State or Oregon or Alabama or something.

991
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, the on field product, the number of quality

992
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 2: quarterbacks that we've had across the sport in recent years,

993
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 2: you know, at James Madison, at North Texas, at wherever

994
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: take your pick. It's not going to be everybody, but

995
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed the quality of this sport at a really

996
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: high level. You're gonna have, you know, down years in

997
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 2: terms of like always getting big games because teams like

998
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: you know, Clemson or Penn State last year. I'm not

999
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 2: picked on them specifically.

1000
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 1: Listen, but Pinstripe Bowl, that's sure, please continue.

1001
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: There are going to be instances where if you have

1002
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 2: a schedule in August and you're saying, like, man, these

1003
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: are the big games across this conference this year, and

1004
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: it involves one or two teams across many of those

1005
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 2: big games, and both of those teams are one of

1006
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 2: those teams completely falls off the map. It's going to

1007
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: affect things, but just in terms of competition, and maybe

1008
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: the portal affecting the top team's depth is affecting this

1009
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: as well. That you LSU can't build a three deep Alabama, Georgia,

1010
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: Ohio State, Oregon, all of these teams can't build a

1011
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 2: two three deep that's bulletproof in the way they could before.

1012
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: So we're getting more competitive games. I think that's it's

1013
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 2: a great thing for turning on a game, especially between

1014
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 2: ranked teams and getting a thirty one to twenty eight result.

1015
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: I think the football is really good right now.

1016
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: I think it's great.

1017
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: I think it's really good. I think the players coming

1018
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: in are better prepared than ever to contribute right away.

1019
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: I think the talent level is as high as it's

1020
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 1: ever been, and it's spread out a little bit more,

1021
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,919
Speaker 1: and just the quality of play, specifically at the top

1022
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: is excellent. It's a really really good watch. There is

1023
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: more parody than there used to be, at least among

1024
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: let's say, you know, the top twenty five teams or so.

1025
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like the SEC is superior the way

1026
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 1: it did for like a decade plus during Saban's run

1027
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: and the portal and Nil, they've really had something of

1028
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: an equalizing effect here.

1029
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: You can address weaknesses yeah, and you can't hoard talent.

1030
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1031
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 2: And there's look even across you can take any conference

1032
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 2: you want, like New Mexico, can all of the sudden

1033
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: become really good in the Mountain West by hiring and

1034
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 2: portaling in efficiently.

1035
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: And this is the great conflict of the sport in

1036
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six because the same forces that are having

1037
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: such a destabilizing effect, which we can talk about next,

1038
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: Nil the transfer portal, I think are also mostly related

1039
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: to the parity that we see with the competition on

1040
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: the field not being able to build out that depth,

1041
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: being able to spread some of the talent around, giving

1042
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: guys an opportunity to go and play right away. You know,

1043
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: we had questions about this at the very start. Is

1044
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: this going to mean more parody? What will this mean

1045
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: for competition? All of these questions that we had. I

1046
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: think we're starting to see some answers now that we're

1047
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: a couple years into this thing. It has meant more parody.

1048
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: Not the NFL. It's not the NFL, but a little

1049
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: bit of parody I think is going a long way

1050
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: towards improving the overall fan experience. So I think that's good.

1051
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: All that stuff is good. Everything that you brought up

1052
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: I think is very relevant.

1053
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 2: By the way, just on that note, just to jump

1054
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: in quickly in terms of parody, like, look at the

1055
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: Big Twelve. The Big Twelve is not the best conference,

1056
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: and you just did the show at John Curtsey did

1057
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: a very good job talk. You should be proud of yourself.

1058
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: I think you the Big Twelve this past season was

1059
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: not the best. There was a clear alpha right in

1060
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: Texas Tech. Look at the quarterbacks in the Big Twelve.

1061
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 2: Basically it's it's essentially impossible to find a quarterback who

1062
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: is neither entertaining nor good. Right, even the ones who

1063
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: were not great were pretty entertaining. And I look Sawyer

1064
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: Robertson threw for a ton of yards through thirty touchdowns,

1065
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: entertaining and good Josh Hoover, Noah Fafida, Brendan Soresby, Baron

1066
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 2: Morton until the end, Bear Bachmeyer, Rock Obeck, Jalen Daniels,

1067
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 2: Connor Wigman, Devin Dan, Pierre, Avery Johnson, Like I just

1068
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: named eleven dudes in the Big twelve, Like maybe you

1069
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: could have that conversation about Tavin Jackson as the twelfth

1070
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: and maybe he wasn't great or Cayden Salter, like Colorado's

1071
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: offense really struggled this year. But I don't know you're

1072
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: getting enough entertainment in quality going that deep into a

1073
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,439
Speaker 2: conference at quarterback. You're in a good place in terms

1074
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 2: of an on field product.

1075
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: The two things that I would bring up that I

1076
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: thought about maybe knocking this down to a four and

1077
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: a half. Yeah, A, it does feel like as compared

1078
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,919
Speaker 1: to I don't know, twenty years ago, there are more

1079
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: teams playing the same way now Stylistically, you know, you

1080
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: used to have a real contrast of styles. If you

1081
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: watched a game on Saturdays, you had the smash mouth,

1082
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: big ten style football, sec.

1083
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: Speed quarterbacks and the PAC type.

1084
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think of like big twelve air raid offenses,

1085
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: that type of thing. Now almost everybody is running some

1086
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: version of a spread concept or RPOs, usually both. And

1087
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: that's fine, and I think that convergence probably happens because

1088
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: everything works right. Yeah, but I do miss some of

1089
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: that variety when I turn on the television on a Saturday.

1090
00:59:59,200 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 1: That's the first thing.

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01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1092
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: The second thing is the officiating is getting worse.

1093
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 2: Officiating is not great. That's part of the on field product.

1094
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: And that does take away from the product. I have

1095
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: spoken to this at length before. I'll bring it up again. Now,

1096
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: there is more money in this sport than ever before.

1097
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: Make these guys full time employees the way the NFL

1098
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: makes them full time employees. That's one very easy way

1099
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: that I think you can improve the quality better training,

1100
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: You get more consistency, hopefully fewer blown calls and some

1101
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: of those big moments. Again, the money is there, What

1102
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: are we doing here?

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01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1104
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: The idea that you can't afford to professionalize your referees

1105
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: while you're handing out millions in nil and just billions

1106
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: in meteorites. That to me is a position that's hard

1107
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: to take seriously, So they got to fix that.

1108
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: Also, I think yes, And I don't think it's as

1109
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 2: easy to referee this sport, nah, like I just watching

1110
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: at home in slow motion. No, of course, not not

1111
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: even that. Like think about where this sport has become.

1112
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 2: Think about all the dudes running four three forties at

1113
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 2: the combine. That just happened, right, So the athletes have

1114
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 2: never been more talented, they've never been faster, they've never

1115
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: been more adept. And you also add in the sort

1116
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: of scheme wrinkles of stuff like RPOs where like, yes,

1117
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: you can go back and in slow motion determined that yes,

1118
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 2: he was probably three or four feet past the allotted

1119
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 2: yardage on this pass play, Like it's never been easier

1120
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 2: to see that on TV. But also like, how are

1121
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 2: you how are these guys supposed to end gals supposed

1122
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: to keep track of everything all at once when all

1123
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: of the players have never been faster and more athletic, Like,

1124
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: we've also evolved to the point where it's just a

1125
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 2: more difficult job no matter how many referees are on

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01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 2: the field, no matter how often they're getting a paycheck.

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01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tend you.

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01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: And the rules change every year, right, So then I

1129
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 2: have a lot of subjective things where you're just like,

1130
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 2: it's a bang bang moment, and yes there's review, but

1131
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 2: you have to keep track of click. What was the

1132
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 2: intent and spirit of this rule? Well, you know you

1133
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 2: have to do it quickly. I just think it's never

1134
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 2: been more difficult. So I do have sympathy for them.

1135
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: Let's shift gears. I got two left here, at least

1136
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: on my list. Yes, I broke apart NIL and I

1137
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: guess revenue sharing as its own deal, separate from the portal,

1138
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: even though they're very much interconnected, and I think so

1139
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: much of the conflict in the sport right now is

1140
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: at the intersection of the two. But if we could,

1141
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: let's try to break each out as its own thing,

1142
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: because for sure, we could do a full episode on NIL.

1143
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: We could do a full episode on the portal if

1144
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: you really wanted. Let's start with nil, Dan, Yeah, nil,

1145
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: revenue sharing call whatever you want. The idea of paying

1146
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: players one through five.

1147
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 2: So we're just talking about money, nil, revenue sharing whatever.

1148
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: Money revenue sharing, paying players in general, I have it

1149
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,959
Speaker 1: as a three. I also have it as.

1150
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: A three, I have as a three. I have it

1151
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 2: as a three because I think the ability for players

1152
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: to monetize their market value whatever is a five percent

1153
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: agree that is a five because we again the money,

1154
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 2: the numbers cut through the numbers that coaches are making,

1155
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 2: the numbers that administrators are making, both to coach and

1156
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 2: not coach. Like, we know those numbers. We know those

1157
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 2: dollar figures. We know what the TV deals are worth, right,

1158
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: we know how much money is in this sport. We

1159
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: know how much money some of the bigger boosters have

1160
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: donated to schools and programs to build facility and to

1161
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,959
Speaker 2: bankroll whatever stadium expansions and you know, take your pick

1162
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 2: right that where the money gets earmarked to fund And

1163
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 2: we know these players have value and so for them

1164
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:16,959
Speaker 2: to participate in the money in this sport, it was time.

1165
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 2: It was long time. So that to me is a five.

1166
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 2: Where it's a one for me is feeling like it's

1167
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: there's zero rules, zero transparency, zero enforcement, right that like

1168
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: there's money that just it just all feels kind of

1169
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 2: like dark money, like dark political money here where we

1170
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 2: don't know terms of contracts. We know that contracts are

1171
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: basically unenforceable. We know that players try to sue their

1172
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: way out of everything, which on a certain level you're like, yes,

1173
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: they should fight for their rights if there are no

1174
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 2: obvious guardrails to the contracts they signed. But it just

1175
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 2: it feels icky, for lack of a better term, that

1176
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 2: a lot of what is decided on the field gets

1177
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 2: first decided in a courtroom and we're forced to learn

1178
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 2: or in my case, barely learn about injunction law.

1179
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: That's been thet part of this job, trying to play

1180
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: act as a lawyer when we talk about some of

1181
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: these things.

1182
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, some people, if a college football fan would be like, hey,

1183
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 2: explain the whole injunction thing to me and be like, well,

1184
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: let me let me hitch you back and let me

1185
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 2: give it.

1186
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: Matt Brown's email address. I'll answy you.

1187
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 2: So everything surrounding the idea of paying players, whether it's

1188
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 2: the school via revenue sharing, whether it's collectives, and obviously

1189
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 2: collectives are circumventing the spirit of why NIL exists, and

1190
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 2: they they're able to circumvent the spirit of it because

1191
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: the guardrails weren't put into place in a firm enough manner.

1192
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 2: So that to me is is the bummer of it all.

1193
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 2: And then like if if somebody reports, whether it's on

1194
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 2: a team site level or an national level or regional level,

1195
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 2: like yeah, I heard this guy's getting paid two point

1196
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 2: eight million dollars to play left tackle for Tennessee or something. One,

1197
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 2: you don't know if that's true. Two, you don't know

1198
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 2: if that's including incentives or you know certain is that

1199
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 2: that he knew of the contract, is that yeah, it's no,

1200
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 2: And that it's like, okay, he's making two point eight

1201
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 2: if he ends up playing in bowl games, and like,

1202
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: so that it's so opaque to me is like this

1203
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 2: whole universe. It brings it down to me, and so

1204
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 2: I just think it detracts from so much of the

1205
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 2: fun of it. Not the money, but the structure of

1206
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,479
Speaker 2: the money. Yeah.

1207
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: I mean, look, as I said at the top, college football,

1208
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: for the lion's share of our lives was defined by

1209
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: pageantry and loyalty and maybe some of those things that

1210
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: we sort of romanticized and were never really true, but

1211
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: that's what we believe. That's at least the face plate

1212
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: that was on college football. Kids would choose your school

1213
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: because they wanted to go there. Yeah, it wasn't about

1214
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: the money, but NIL has obviously changed that. It has

1215
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: made a lot of this feel transactional. I do think

1216
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,919
Speaker 1: some of that is taken away from the spirit that

1217
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,959
Speaker 1: many of us grew up on with respect to college football.

1218
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: But I think morally, I think ethically players being able

1219
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: to earn off of their likeness is the right thing.

1220
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: So from that standpoint, I would agree it's five out

1221
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: of five. But the enforcement's like a zero. There is

1222
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: none right now. There really isn't. The NCAA is useless.

1223
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't want to do anything because it doesn't want

1224
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: to get sued, no matter how many of these photo

1225
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: ops we put forth. In the federal government, I don't

1226
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: think there's a real appetite, certainly not with everything going

1227
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: on in today's world, to put an anything in place

1228
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: that realistically solves this. I don't even know what that

1229
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,439
Speaker 1: would look like. Short of saying that the players are

1230
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: employees and allowing them to, you know, have additional rights

1231
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,919
Speaker 1: on that front, I don't think that's going to happen

1232
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: anytime soon. We'll bring Matt Brown on, maybe he can

1233
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: say something to the contrary. I would welcome that, But

1234
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: the combination of the enforcement and maybe the lack of

1235
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: desire to do anything to put up any real guardrails.

1236
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: I think make this still very wild westy and it's

1237
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: going to be that way for a good law on time.

1238
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: The other thing that I would add, and this sort

1239
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,440
Speaker 1: of falls in the middle. I remember having a conversation

1240
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: right when anil on the portal sort of converged and

1241
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: created this new iteration of college football, and Andy Staples

1242
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: was very big at the time on Hey, let's let

1243
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: this play out. Let's let the market set itself, Let's

1244
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: see how it works. Let's see how this goes. We

1245
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: have seen this type of thing in other capacities, and

1246
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: over time it tends to work itself out and the

1247
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, the market eventually does what the market does. No,

1248
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: do you feel like we've got to the point yet

1249
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: where the market's corrected itself.

1250
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 2: Well, sometimes market's crashed.

1251
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: Well, sometimes they do. I don't feel like we've gone

1252
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: to the point yet where the market has has corrected itself,

1253
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 1: because every time I look, the numbers keep going up.

1254
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 2: Right.

1255
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: There was just a story out this past week or

1256
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: a week or two ago about cam Coleman basically getting

1257
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: a blank check. The ask was a blank check in

1258
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 1: Texas more or less gave it to him. At some

1259
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: point you have to stop calling it like a correction

1260
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: period or a probationary period and just realize that this

1261
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 1: market is not going to fix itself anytime soon, that

1262
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 1: somebody may step in and set this thing, or fix

1263
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: this thing, or put up some stronger guardrails to keep

1264
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:52,879
Speaker 1: this thing on the tracks.

1265
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,959
Speaker 2: I mean yes and no. I mean yes, markets can increase,

1266
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 2: but all you really need is two schools to push

1267
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 2: a deal. Right, Cam Coleman's making whatever he's making. Because

1268
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 2: there was another school, not Texas, I would assume pushing

1269
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 2: this deal up. Maybe because they wanted cam Coleman. Maybe

1270
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 2: they just wanted to see how much they could get

1271
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 2: Texas to pay. Who knows, but I don't believe thirty

1272
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 2: seven schools came in with like, yes, we all agree

1273
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 2: cam Holeman is worth however many millions of dollars. I

1274
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 2: think the overwhelming majority of schools don't have what they

1275
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: view to be infinite money and are looking at this

1276
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 2: very much. Are dealing with having a cap and like,

1277
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,640
Speaker 2: this is where we value a starting right tackle, This

1278
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 2: is what we value a starting week side linebacker, safety

1279
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 2: or quarterback or whatever, and if it goes over that number,

1280
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,799
Speaker 2: we're just going to pass. I think people are looking

1281
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 2: at this a lot more pragmatically than this is getting

1282
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 2: out of control, because it really does only take a

1283
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 2: handful of schools and just two in a lot of

1284
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 2: cases probably saying like, this offer is on the table

1285
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 2: for two million, what can you do? And they put

1286
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 2: you know, two three, and then you know, a lot

1287
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 2: of schools are just going to pay whatever.

1288
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: Not a lot.

1289
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 2: There are going to be always going to be some

1290
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 2: schools that are going to pay whatever it takes. But

1291
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 2: some of those schools are going to look back and say,

1292
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 2: we ended up spending twenty seven million dollars on an

1293
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 2: average of seven or eight wins. Yeah, and we're just

1294
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 2: not going to do it anymore because the people writing

1295
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 2: those checks aren't seeing the return on that investment they wanted.

1296
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 2: But again, it just takes two schools to push some

1297
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 2: of those numbers up to a place that seems cartoonish.

1298
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean every starting left tackle is making

1299
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 2: Jordan's Seaton money or something.

1300
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think that's right, and that

1301
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:49,560
Speaker 1: brings us to as I have labeled it, the biggest

1302
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: point of contention I think in the sport today.

1303
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is not.

1304
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,799
Speaker 1: Just an il, It is not just the transfer portal.

1305
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: It is the intersection of the two. That is where

1306
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: the real damage, if you want to call it that,

1307
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: That is where it's happening. So I think we were

1308
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: both what relatively in agreement. Three out of five ish

1309
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: for nil in the portal or nil and.

1310
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 2: Just nil and revshare right.

1311
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 1: Three out of five.

1312
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 2: I think it's okay. I don't think it's great. I

1313
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 2: don't think it's the end of the world. I'm at

1314
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 2: a two on the transfer portal. I'm at a two,

1315
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 2: and I was almost at a one.

1316
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 1: I was almost at a one. I could have made

1317
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: a case for a zero. I really could have.

1318
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 2: Okay, So I have a two just because I think

1319
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 2: the portal offers enough flexibility in enough cases that can

1320
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 2: be viewed as a positive.

1321
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: Yes, so let's agree on this as our baseline.

1322
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 2: Okay.

1323
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: Players deserve the right to move around the way coaches

1324
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: move around.

1325
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 2: I think that is right, or.

1326
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: Just a little bit more power than they had before.

1327
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 1: Like I don't like how much power the schools had

1328
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: over them before. They deserve some agency here. It shouldn't

1329
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: be the type of thing where the schools have to

1330
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: grant or deny transfer requests. That part of it was broken.

1331
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: It needed to change, and it did. So I think

1332
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,560
Speaker 1: we're in agreement that giving the players back some control

1333
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: in this realm is a good thing, right, we agree

1334
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: on that much.

1335
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially given not just that coaches have the ability.

1336
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 2: It's that you can be recruited to a place by

1337
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 2: a running backs coach who then takes a job with

1338
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 2: the Steelers the day after signing day, right, yeah, and

1339
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 2: you're just like, well, I guess I'm playing for Kansas

1340
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 2: State now. And that's that's something that's not great, that

1341
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 2: the freedom for a coach to move like in that

1342
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 2: specific way, or a head coach to leave after a year,

1343
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 2: like you know what we had what this year with

1344
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: Charles Huff with Southern Miss we had with Todd Graham

1345
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 2: pitt Asu, Like we've had that in years past, where

1346
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 2: head coaches leaves and completely firebombs a program after a year.

1347
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: So that to me is not ideal. And there should

1348
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 2: be wiggle room for players, especially if they have value

1349
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:14,839
Speaker 2: and they happen to be playing at a smaller place

1350
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 2: and there can capitalize on something that is life changing

1351
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 2: money before the NFL, right like, it would be tough

1352
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 2: to imagine. I'm not speaking for Khalil Mack, okay, but

1353
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 2: it's tough to imagine at twenty twenty six, Khalil Mack

1354
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 2: at Buffalo playing out out his career there. It has happened.

1355
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 2: We saw it with like Ashton Genty at Boise State.

1356
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 2: We've seen it. What's his name, the corner from Toledo

1357
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 2: who I guess is a star for the for the Eagles. Now,

1358
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,480
Speaker 2: we have seen it, but it's rare and you understand

1359
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 2: why the next Khalil Mack will end up playing for

1360
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 2: you know, like Jared Verse from Albany to Florida State.

1361
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 2: I think those are terrific situations for these guys to

1362
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 2: prove what they can do at a much higher level.

1363
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 2: And it's it's been good for us as fans who've

1364
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 2: enjoyed entertaining high quality teams.

1365
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: I do worry that the pendulum is funk has swung

1366
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,759
Speaker 1: too far in the other direction though. Quen on Mitchell,

1367
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 1: Queeny on Mitchell, that's it. Yeah, The sport right now

1368
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: is in a constant state of free agency and tampering

1369
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 1: all of it happens behind the scenes, right, everybody knows

1370
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: about it. Nobody can really stop it. The rosters feel

1371
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: very temporary. Some players kind of feel like mercenaries. Sure,

1372
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 1: this is different. This is different. You mentioned it earlier.

1373
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: The contracts are kind of meaningless, right A player can

1374
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,959
Speaker 1: sign one plays gonna be Darien Mensa, have a contract

1375
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: in place, and just get out of it because nobody's

1376
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 1: got the wherewithal or the marbles to enforce it.

1377
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 2: And by the way, he's good quarterback who's going to

1378
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 2: play for three teams in three years as a good quarter.

1379
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,799
Speaker 1: As a very good quarterback. Yeah, as a very good quarterback.

1380
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: If you're a fan of a G five team, if

1381
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: you're a fan of a mid major or mid tier team,

1382
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: I guess I should say the portal has effectively turned

1383
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: your program into a feeder system to a minor league team.

1384
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: And that's tough speaking of things that feel transactional. Yeah,

1385
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 1: I think that's a real problem. But you have the

1386
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,759
Speaker 1: ability in a way if you're one of those schools.

1387
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: And I just saw Trent Dilfer, what did he call

1388
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 1: his players? Did you see this, Trent? See to Trent Dilfer,

1389
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 1: I try to avoid Trent Dilfer what it is.

1390
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 2: He basically said it was a huge mistake for him

1391
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 2: to take a bunch of like wash out leftovers at

1392
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 2: UABA and how they they were at UAB because they

1393
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 2: were not able to rise to the moment at bigger places.

1394
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 2: They were shrinkers, not risers my words, I think he

1395
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 2: said shrinkers though. Okay, But a lot of the better

1396
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 2: schools on this level, or the better coaches can identify

1397
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 2: players at even smaller schools, or identify players who don't

1398
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 2: work out and are able to establish a culture and

1399
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 2: convince players to play hard. You know who didn't end

1400
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 2: up seeing the rotation at Virginia Tech or cal or

1401
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 2: something that you It does go in both ways. You're

1402
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 2: savvy about it.

1403
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I don't know how you

1404
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: fix it, you know, Like we've kicked around a couple

1405
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: ideas here the old transfer fee.

1406
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 2: Model, yeah, or you get one free transfer without sitting

1407
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 2: out and then yes.

1408
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: So when I when I say the transfer fee model,

1409
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: what I mean is if a school wants a player

1410
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: from it doesn't need to be a smaller program, but

1411
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: just from anywhere. The way it works most of the

1412
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: time in professionals soccer is you got to pay a

1413
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: fee to get him. So sorry, Bowling Green, We're going

1414
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 1: to take Harold Fannin whoever. But in exchange you're gonna

1415
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 1: get ten million dollars and you can use that then

1416
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: to boost your own roster. I don't know how close

1417
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: we are to anything like.

1418
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 2: That, but.

1419
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: The legal viability is separate from the fact that it's

1420
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: an idea.

1421
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 2: By the way, sidebar shout out Harold Fannin. It's awesome.

1422
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: He is awesome. I love him. I don't know if

1423
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: that's something that they could do to try and fix this.

1424
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 1: I saw that there is something circulating right now. I

1425
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 1: believe it was Ross Dellinger just posted this recently a

1426
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: couple days ago out on Yahoo's Sports, talking about this

1427
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: new phase of blind transferring sure, which is outside of

1428
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:53,679
Speaker 1: the transfer portal. A player just leaves school and enrolls

1429
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 1: somewhere else and in effect, that is a transfer.

1430
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 2: Is that like Jason Bourne operating outside of the law

1431
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 2: kind of yeah, just extra judicial? Is that okay?

1432
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: And it sounds like there could be a wave of

1433
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: players that do something like that after spring football. Apparently

1434
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: the NCAA Football Oversight Committee is looking at things like fines,

1435
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 1: coaching suspensions, maybe roster spot reductions for schools that accept

1436
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: transfers outside of the portal window. So they're kind of

1437
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: trying on that front, but it just feels like they're

1438
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: trying to eat the elephant here. There's just so many

1439
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 1: different things that make this a really hard problem to solve,

1440
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: and the transfer portal has been something of a runaway

1441
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: trained here oh the last couple of years. So I

1442
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 1: don't know if it's finding a better way to enforce it.

1443
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, if it's some sort of fee system.

1444
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, if it's maybe even a calendar that

1445
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: doesn't overlap with the playoffs. I don't know, if it's

1446
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: just giving it more time to figure itself out. I

1447
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 1: don't know what it is that ultimately fixes the portal.

1448
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: But of all the things that we jotted down here

1449
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,839
Speaker 1: on our list, I guess we had like seven of them. Yeah,

1450
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,719
Speaker 1: this is the one for me, This is the one.

1451
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 1: Just from emails that we have received, I would just

1452
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: speak for myself as a fan, and this is coming

1453
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: from somebody who's a fan of two really big teams

1454
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 1: that have benefited by and large from the portal. This

1455
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: is the part of the sport that I think people

1456
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: have the most issue with and that has taken away

1457
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: the most from their fandom as they used to know it.

1458
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: Not necessarily because it's a bad thing. I think most

1459
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: people agree it's a good thing to give players that agency,

1460
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: but the way that is multiplied has made it really

1461
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: tough to keep track of what's going on. Well.

1462
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 2: Also the temporary nature of flying in for a year

1463
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 2: or two, rather than being recruited, developing as a backup

1464
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 2: or a red shirt or something like that, earning a

1465
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 2: starting job and thriving at a school like there is

1466
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 2: nobody listening to this show that grew up a fan

1467
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 2: of the team exclusively because they were from an area

1468
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 2: or a parent went to that school. Everybody's fandom one

1469
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 2: hundred percent. You talk about twenty one percent under the

1470
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 2: age of thirty, because we have rangemaxing on this. One

1471
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 2: hundred percent of everybody listening to this show is a

1472
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 2: fan of college football, at least partially because they loved

1473
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 2: rocket Ish mal when they were ten or whatever like

1474
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 2: you were, or they loved Rob Johnson at USC, or

1475
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 2: they loved you know, uh, Jesse Palmer coming in and

1476
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 2: out of games for Florida or they you know that there.

1477
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 2: You cannot tie fandom exclusively to a logo or a

1478
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 2: uniform because you got to watch Peter Warwick or Javon

1479
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 2: Curse or t Martin or something like that. Like fandom

1480
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 2: is directly tied to names. I'm never going to care

1481
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 2: as an Oregon fan nearly as much about Bo Nix,

1482
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 2: as great as he was for Oregon, as much as

1483
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 2: I was for Joey Harrington or Marcus Marriota or Darren Thomas,

1484
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 2: because those were Oregon people from the jump who I

1485
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 2: knew as backups and then knew as a starter, then

1486
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:12,719
Speaker 2: knew as a star. And so when you take something

1487
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 2: like that away, when everybody is just coming in and out,

1488
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:18,600
Speaker 2: or there's a lot of people coming in and out,

1489
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 2: like Indiana fans are going to treasure the memories that

1490
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza gave this year's team. They're going to remember

1491
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 2: this year's team forever. But my opinion is when they

1492
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:34,640
Speaker 2: think about this year's Indiana National championship, they're going to

1493
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 2: think about the improbability of their program, and they're going

1494
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 2: to think about Kurt Signetti ahead of thinking about some

1495
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 2: of the players who are here for a year or

1496
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 2: two years. They're going to love and appreciate them, but

1497
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 2: that's not going to be what they think about, and

1498
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 2: that's not what they're going to hold in their heart

1499
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 2: nearly as much as they're going to think about, like

1500
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,799
Speaker 2: can you amember Indiana beat Oregon twice? Indiana beat Miami

1501
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 2: like they're going to think about the improbably Like it's

1502
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:07,440
Speaker 2: just you're taking away some of the sort of foundational

1503
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 2: aspects of college football fandom. When your defensive line is

1504
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 2: all transfers, when your secondary is all transfers or four

1505
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 2: out of five guys, or your offensive line is all transfers,

1506
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 2: you're just like, yeah, that guy came in for a year.

1507
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 2: That guy was there. And so the extreme portaling either

1508
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 2: of schools bringing in a ton of players or players

1509
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 2: going to three four places, I think is a net

1510
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 2: loss for the sport.

1511
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: All right, why don't we leave it there? One in all,

1512
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: please write in solid Verbal atgmail dot com, go out

1513
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 1: to the website, send us a form, hit us up

1514
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 1: on social media, let us know your thoughts. I did

1515
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 1: some back of the napkin averaging here, some average maxing

1516
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: as it were, Huh. I believe I've got us at

1517
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 1: about a three point six out of five overall. If

1518
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 1: we were looking at the state the health of college

1519
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 1: football here, so decent with outside, decent, with upside. If

1520
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: you went to the doctor and you got a three

1521
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: point six out of five, he would say, all right,

1522
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: not a one.

1523
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 2: Got some work to do, got some work to do.

1524
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: But I think it's just low enough to keep you motivated,

1525
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 1: and it's high enough to leave you feeling optimistic about

1526
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: the future.

1527
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 2: Have you had your physical in the last year.

1528
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 1: I am due to go for one, I would say

1529
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 1: within the next four to six weeks or so.

1530
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 2: What do you think the reports are going to be?

1531
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 2: You got cholesterol, right, that's the thing that and you

1532
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 2: you're a very healthy person, right, that's what.

1533
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 1: You like a bird. It's it's just yeah, hereditary thing.

1534
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1535
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been working to bring that down a little bit.

1536
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 2: Okay, good.

1537
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: I don't know how much more salad I can eat.

1538
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 1: But we've been we've been working.

1539
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 2: You've been hitting the gym, right.

1540
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: And hitting the gym. Yeah, we've been. So we've been

1541
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 1: doing our part here.

1542
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna get a great report, ty A.

1543
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 2: I worried about anything specific.

1544
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 1: No, not really.

1545
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:53,759
Speaker 2: You think you're shrinking at all? You're worried for that.

1546
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: I think I'm okay. No, I think I'm all right.

1547
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 1: I think I'm all right on that front. But no,

1548
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: we're we're health maxing here, a little bit.

1549
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 2: Health maxing and the we're not going to get mogged

1550
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 2: by the physician.

1551
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 1: No, no, how about you? Where are you at?

1552
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 2: Everything good? At the cholesterol I think was good, but

1553
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 2: could be better, okay, but everything else came back came

1554
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 2: back good.

1555
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: Is by the way, for the twenty under thirty listening, you.

1556
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 2: Have this to look forward to, Tyan. I had like

1557
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 2: a very specific oatmeal conversation before this show began.

1558
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 1: Not always like you always bring that up when I've

1559
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: got like, uh, lacroix or water or something in my mack.

1560
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're fibermaxers here on the Solid Verbal that's if

1561
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 2: nothing else, Yeah, that's where you should, uh you should

1562
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,480
Speaker 2: learn about us. We fibermax continue.

1563
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate everybody downloading, listing, supporting what we do. Again.

1564
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,320
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01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:57,120
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1566
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1567
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Speaker 1: in public. Yeah, we would of course greatly appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Let your friends know hit fallo, hit subscribe if you

1571
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 1: made it this far, all right, We will be back

1572
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 1: next week on the podcast. Two episodes per week all

1573
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: throughout the off season. We do have a bonus episode

1574
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 1: that drops on the Patreon feed every Thursday. We've been

1575
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: having a lot of fun with those more often than not.

1576
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: It is not college football related, though we like to

1577
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: drizzle a little bit of that in. Albeit there's not

1578
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 1: a whole lot going on right now in the world

1579
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 1: of college football, so we will include as much as

1580
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:42,640
Speaker 1: we can. We will have fun with it. Otherwise, we

1581
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 1: would encourage you to check that out one more time.

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01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: V E R B A L L E R s

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Speaker 1: dot com. Dan, Yes, have a good weekend, Hey you

1584
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,639
Speaker 1: too for that guy out there in Chicago, my good

1585
01:26:55,640 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 1: friend Dan for myself tie over here in Eastern Pencil, Alvania.

1586
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 1: Will catch you all next week. In the meantime, Stay

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