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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by Wes hod Kowitz,

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Speaker 1: and we are very pleased to have special guest Larry

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Speaker 1: Indiana Convention Center in downtown Indianapolis, coming to you from

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Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine and guys. Yesterday we heard from

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Speaker 1: Packers GM Brian Goodacunstan head coach Mike McCarthy, and one

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Speaker 1: of the big topics of conversation was the new contract

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Speaker 1: extension that the Packers are working on with quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: Goudacon has made it pretty clear that this is something

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Speaker 1: they would like to get done this offseason. West We

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Speaker 1: talked about it in a previous show that the Packers

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Speaker 1: want to do this with two years left done Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers contract, the same time frame in which they executed

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Speaker 1: his last extension. In what are your thoughts on where

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Speaker 1: this is headed? It makes total sense for the Packers

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Speaker 1: from that perspective. Obviously, is Good said, this is the

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Speaker 1: best player in the NFL. It's not going to be inexpensive.

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Speaker 1: It's something that you have to get done. The The

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Speaker 1: interesting part of it though, is that you do have

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Speaker 1: the two years left on the deal. So what does

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Speaker 1: that allow you to do. It allows you to spread

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Speaker 1: out the signing bonus, It allows you to be more

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Speaker 1: manageable with the cap hit. We all saw what Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Then you also saw what the Jacksonville Jaguars did in

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Speaker 1: extending Blake Bordles and how they were able to reduce it.

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Speaker 1: So having that under control, but also taking care of

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, the franchise quarterback, is really the penultimate thing

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Speaker 1: I think on this offseason, in addition to trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out, you know, what direction the team's going to

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Speaker 1: take in two thousand eighteen. Yeah, and now, Larry you

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Speaker 1: said yesterday, this is obviously a no brainer. The Packers

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Speaker 1: are going to extend Aaron Rodgers. He is going to stay. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, right, So, but this is kind of a

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Speaker 1: tricky thing because you want to get this done, but

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Speaker 1: you also want to leave at least some financial flexibility

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Speaker 1: to continue to upgrade the team and make another run

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Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl. Oh absolutely. And there's a couple

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Speaker 1: of points about the whole thing. Number one, the markets changed.

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Speaker 1: They have to do this. I mean Aaron Rodgers, believe

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Speaker 1: it or not. At one time when he signed his deals,

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Speaker 1: highest payer player in the league, and now he's under

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Speaker 1: page So they got to do something to keep the

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Speaker 1: big guy happy, which they are doing. The other thing

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Speaker 1: is it's all as Brian Gudun said yesterday very appropriately,

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Speaker 1: it's all part of the puzzle. They got to know

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Speaker 1: how this piece fits before they can make a lot

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Speaker 1: of other decisions as far as people they asked to

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Speaker 1: take pay cuts, people they may not be able to afford.

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Speaker 1: All those types of issues can be determined to some

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Speaker 1: extent when they find out how big a piece of

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Speaker 1: the salary cap pie he's going to go to one

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, and he certainly deserves it. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 1: on russ Ball to structure this contract in the way

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Speaker 1: that's going to work for the packers, as he has

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Speaker 1: done over the years many times. And good Kun said

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Speaker 1: they're looking at all kinds of different scenarios in terms

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Speaker 1: and what sort of flexibility would give them in order

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Speaker 1: to make other moves. You don't know exactly how this

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Speaker 1: going to be signed. As I talked about last week, West,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to believe that for me anyway, that Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers would sign this deal before Kirk Cousins, who's the

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Speaker 1: top quarterback in free agency heading into free agent? Hey,

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Speaker 1: I mean exactly, I'm just being real here. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if i'm if I'm Aaron Rodgers, if Kirk Cousins is

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Speaker 1: gonna calculate if he's going to become the top guy

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Speaker 1: and and surpassed Jimmy Garoppolo's deal, and Garoppolo's deals surpassed

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. Can you believe those two names are in

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Speaker 1: the same sentence? Yeah, crazy quarterback. I'm sorry, No, No,

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Speaker 1: that's okay. But you're right. But as the salary cap

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Speaker 1: of your guy when you have your guy, absolutely, and

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Speaker 1: you look at how the cap has swelled, you know,

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Speaker 1: over and over again. The day I started on the Packers,

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Speaker 1: right now, hundred and seventy eight million is what it's

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Speaker 1: the measures are not only just for the Cousins contract,

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Speaker 1: but you have Drew Brees out there yet. Agi McCarron's

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Speaker 1: a name that you're not hearing talked about here at

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Speaker 1: all because nobody wants to get in trouble. But that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a very interesting one to follow in March fourteenth,

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Speaker 1: and much like in two thousand thirteen when the Packers

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Speaker 1: the two thousand thirteen NFL Draft days before, hours before it.

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see all those pieces fall and

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Speaker 1: then everything go from there. Yeah. And the other thing

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Speaker 1: what Minnesota is going to do at quarterback. They decided

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Speaker 1: not to franchise Case Keenum, Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Bradford. At

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Speaker 1: this point, they're all headed to free agency. There's word

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins thing. You got any feeling, Larry as to

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Speaker 1: And to be honest, don't care. All I know we're

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Speaker 1: With that, we're going to toss it to a break

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Speaker 1: back with more on Packers Unscripted from the NFL Scouting

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Speaker 1: Combine right after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford,

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Speaker 1: along with Wes Hodkowitz and Larry McCarron, coming to you

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Speaker 1: from downtown Indianapolis at the NFL Scouting Combine. Now, as

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Speaker 1: obviously the extension to given to Davante Adams at the

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Speaker 1: he said he doesn't want to see really good football

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Speaker 1: They knocked out the biggest thing they had to right

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Speaker 1: getting that extension done. Jordy Nelson was up front right

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Speaker 1: and that's one reason why they're in the position they've

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Speaker 1: a lot. Randall cob toughier for him, another injury kind

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Speaker 1: and he's still only gonna be twenty eight years old

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Speaker 1: going into two thousand eighteen. That unit, the chemistry that

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Speaker 1: And I think that's something that both Good Cuts McCarthy

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Speaker 1: really value. Yeah, and we'll see what happens financially, Larry,

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Speaker 1: you kind of get it's a collaboration and go and

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Speaker 1: the Packers definitely want to improve as well. They're here

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Speaker 1: But um, but I think I think the Packers are

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Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson had six touchdown catches in those five games.

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Speaker 1: Randall Cobb, I thought really did come on at the

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Speaker 1: I think it looks pretty good in the secondary, in

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Speaker 1: the interior, offensive line. He said those things, and I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: we can tell there's a new guy of the polity.

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Speaker 1: And now that we actually heard two positions that we're

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Speaker 1: probably ball faced live he's just throwing us off, but

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Speaker 1: we actually heard positions mentioned. He's giving me something, yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure. But with that we're going to call it

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Speaker 1: a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure

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Speaker 1: to follow all of our coverage of the Packers and

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Speaker 1: the Scouting Combine on packers dot com. We will be

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Speaker 1: or the rest of the week and through the weekend

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Speaker 1: for Larry and Mike and Wes. Will see you next time.

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