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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory.

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Speaker 1: I'm Chandeler Roam John by Tyler Stafford and Tyler. Free

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Speaker 1: agency has officially begun the Seattle Mariners about twenty five

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Speaker 1: minutes ago news broke. They came to an agreement with

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Speaker 1: Josh Naylor on a five year contract, which I assure

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Speaker 1: you could call it an extension, which as Naylor played

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Speaker 1: for them toward the end of last year for the

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Speaker 1: two months after being a deadline acquisition. But first big

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Speaker 1: domino drops. I don't think anyone thought the Astros were

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Speaker 1: going to have the first domino to drop in free agency,

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Speaker 1: but their division rival does. And the Asher is going

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Speaker 1: to see a lot of Josh Naylor for the next

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Speaker 1: five years. I think calling him an irritant would be apt.

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Speaker 1: So the Asher is going to be irritated by Josh

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Speaker 1: Naylor for the next five years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good hitter. That's that's not a fun

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Speaker 2: person to face in a lineup that are good hitters

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Speaker 2: in it. But you know, I mean, as soon as

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Speaker 2: the trade happened, in the success that he had with

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Speaker 2: the Mariners, it would have been crazy for them to

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Speaker 2: let him walk. After you know, the end of the

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Speaker 2: season and he had Well, they're buying up fit together

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Speaker 2: with him in it so makes a ton of sense.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, you're right. The Astros would never have free

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Speaker 2: agency rumors about an infielder right now. That would be ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: They have way too many infielders. Tayler, who are the

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Speaker 2: Astros looking at free agent wise?

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Speaker 1: Well, he's not a free agent, but I reported this weekend. Whatever, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's not a free agent, but reported this weekend. And

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Speaker 1: this has been something that it shouldn't be a surprise

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Speaker 1: if you've been following the Astros really for the last

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Speaker 1: year or so, because they had interested in this guy

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Speaker 1: at the at the trade deadline. But the Cardinals did

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Speaker 1: not move Brendan Donovan at the trade deadline. Instead, they

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Speaker 1: kind of punted till this offseason where they're listening on

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Speaker 1: a lot of their controllable position players, and the Astros

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Speaker 1: still have interest in Brendan Donovan and to possibly acquire

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Speaker 1: from the Saint Louis Cardinals. Now I say this every

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Speaker 1: off season. I say this every trade deadline. Interest is

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Speaker 1: just that it is interest, Like the Astros have internally

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Speaker 1: discussed Brendan Donovan as someone that makes a lot of

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Speaker 1: sense for them when you look at his offensive profile,

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Speaker 1: when you look at that he hits from the left side.

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Speaker 1: When you look at that he plays predominantly second base,

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Speaker 1: but can also play some left field. He is the

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Speaker 1: ideal fit, like he is perfect for what this roster needs.

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Speaker 1: But interest is just that, it is interest, and Brendan

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Speaker 1: Donovan has a lot of teams interested in him. As

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Speaker 1: I think we both know, the Astros are never probably

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Speaker 1: going to win a prospect bidding war. If they get

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Speaker 1: into a trade negotiation with the Cardinals and the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: are fielding offers from other teams, the Astros will not

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Speaker 1: be at that advantage just given their farm system. But

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Speaker 1: this could also be a situation where the Cardinals are

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Speaker 1: looking for maybe not prospects, They're looking for, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe a starting pitcher that can help them this year.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't think the Cardinals are going full rebuild.

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Speaker 1: I think they want to try to win, but they're

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Speaker 1: certainly going to take a step back, but they I

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Speaker 1: think starting pitching would be something that they would look at.

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Speaker 1: The Astros certainly have a plethora of young arms, young

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Speaker 1: starting pitchers that I think would attract the Cardinal's attention.

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Speaker 1: But when you heard Brendan Donovan Tyler and you scurried

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Speaker 1: to figure out who that was, and you looked at

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Speaker 1: his baseball reference and you looked at kind of his

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Speaker 1: underlying metrics. Is that someone that does that excite you?

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Speaker 1: Does the possibility of getting Brendan Donovan of being in

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Speaker 1: for his services, is that something that piques your interest?

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Speaker 1: For sure?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good hitter, like you said, plays second base.

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Speaker 2: Makes a lot of sense, you know, It's it's the

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Speaker 2: dominoes that have to fall to get it there that

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Speaker 2: is the difficult part, but certainly makes a ton of

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Speaker 2: sense there. My initial thought was, do the Cardinals want

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Speaker 2: a third corner infield around a bad contract? Because the

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Speaker 2: Astros could hook them up if they're interested.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's what they're after. But the whole

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Speaker 1: reason because I had heard a little bit about this

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Speaker 1: going into the GM meetings, and obviously, like we talked about,

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Speaker 1: like they had interested in him last year, and that

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Speaker 1: interest isn't just going to go away. Time is not

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Speaker 1: going to just like dissuade that interest. But once Dana

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Speaker 2: Said that he's my high school girlfriend's Chandler.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell Alisia. You know, once Dana came out

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Speaker 1: and said what he said about East Sick, Paradis and

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Speaker 1: he's our everyday first baseman and Paradis, you know, and

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Speaker 1: he said, right now, we're not looking to trade him.

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Speaker 1: We would don't want to trade him. The mere fact

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Speaker 1: that they have interest in Brendan Donovan and the mere

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Speaker 1: fact that they are talking about this should show everyone that, like,

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Speaker 1: just because he said that on Wednesday does not mean

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Speaker 1: at all that that's going that's final, that's definite. They

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Speaker 1: are looking at many different permutations to how this roster

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Speaker 1: themselves a little more fiscally responsible. I think Brendan Donovan,

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Speaker 1: according to MLB Trade Rumors, he has two more years

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Speaker 1: of club control, but this year through our I think

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Speaker 1: MLB Trade Rumors projects them to make five point four

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Speaker 1: million dollars, which is a lot less than Estoc Paratus

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Speaker 1: and Christian Walker are going to make next year. So

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Speaker 1: it would make it, It would make them a little more.

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Speaker 1: It would free some payroll up. If let's say, you know,

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Speaker 1: the hypothetical they do land Brendan Donovan. I don't think

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Speaker 1: even right now they can go into West Palm Beach

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Speaker 1: if you get Brendan Donovan definitely can't like that. That's

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Speaker 1: just that's way too much. So I think Brendan Donovan would.

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Speaker 1: I do think this. I think he is the sort

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Speaker 1: of player you should be looking at if you're the Astros,

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Speaker 1: if you're a fan, if you're wondering kind of where

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Speaker 1: they're gonna look in free agency, you should look for

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Speaker 1: a left handed hitting guy that can play some second base,

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Speaker 1: can play the corner outfield spots. You know, Brendan Donovan fits.

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Speaker 1: His offensive profile is exactly what the Astros need. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't strike out, he has a career three point sixty

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Speaker 1: a huge power threat. I mean, I think he's hit.

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Speaker 1: He hits about ten to twelve homers a year. But again,

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Speaker 2: So as we said, give you a can I give

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Speaker 2: you a quick blind resume sure, Okay, So player one's

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Speaker 2: career war eleven point one ops plus one seventeen. Player

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Speaker 2: You're gonna take a guess at who those two players are.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna guess Player one is Donovan, m

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Speaker 1: hm is player two Paradis.

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Speaker 2: Yep, they have had almost identical careers. Obviously, Brendan Donovan

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Speaker 2: hits left handed and plays more second base than Paridis,

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Speaker 2: which is helpful on the current roster. But all that

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Speaker 2: to say, Brendan Donovan has literally been the exact same

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Speaker 2: productive level as Parties has. Uh. And it's always hard

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Speaker 2: whenever the guy on your team because you're always gonna

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Speaker 2: you see them every day, so you go like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I know this guy, I liked him. But if you're

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Speaker 2: just looking at numbers, they're literally they they put together

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Speaker 2: the exact same career so far. One of them just

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Speaker 2: happens to play a position that you need, so it'll

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Speaker 2: be interesting to see. But yeah, I mean that that

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Speaker 2: name makes a ton of sense for the Astros.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing that Estoc Paradis has that Brendan

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Speaker 1: Donovan doesn't. He hits right handed, and he pulls the ball.

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Speaker 1: Ninety ninety five is an exaggerated number, but he pulls

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Speaker 1: the ball more than anyone in baseball. Dyke And Park

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Speaker 1: has a short portion left field. Estoc Paradis has tailor

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Speaker 1: made for that ballpark, which is why Dana Brown was

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Speaker 1: a lot more forceful in his hedging that they didn't

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Speaker 1: want to trade Estock Paradus. Christian Walker got two sentences.

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Speaker 1: Estoc Paradis got like seven or eight sentences as to

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Speaker 1: why they don't want to trade him, and to why

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Speaker 1: he's perfect and why they'd be weakening their lineup severely,

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Speaker 1: and he's the exact kind of you know profile we need.

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Speaker 1: Christian Walker didn't get that, And I think it is

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Speaker 1: a lesson that, you know, you can read the quotes

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Speaker 1: but I think context is very important. And I think

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Speaker 1: the words actually came out of their mouth. I think

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Speaker 1: that's more important than just saying like, oh, he said

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Speaker 1: we haven't talked about Christian Walker in a trade, Like

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean anything like yeah, surely adn't talked about

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Speaker 1: Christian Walker in a trade on November twelve when he

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Speaker 1: made the comments. But you know they get Brenda Donovan,

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Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna be talking about Christian Walker

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Speaker 1: in some trades. They'll be talking about maybe another Astros

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Speaker 1: Something else Dana Brown said in that long, you know,

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Speaker 1: forty minute meeting with reporters on Wednesday in Las Vegas

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Speaker 1: was that, you know, he talked about they don't want

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Speaker 1: to pull from the infield. They don't want to trade

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Speaker 1: from the infield, which we have discussed at nauseum. You know,

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Speaker 1: but they may be forced to. He did say, without

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Speaker 1: maybe with some outfield pieces. We may have to make

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Speaker 1: some decisions of who to start and is there a

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Speaker 1: trade piece in the outfield? Well, I'm here to tell

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Speaker 1: the outfield. One of them probably the most The guy

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Speaker 1: with the most value is Jake Myers and friend of

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Speaker 1: the podcast, Matt Gelb, who covers the Philadelphia Phillies for

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Speaker 1: The Athletic, in a story that he wrote on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: mentioned that the Phillies really like Jake Myers and that

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Speaker 1: he is a name to kind of file away, is

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Speaker 1: maybe someone that the Phillies will call on. I reported

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Speaker 1: at the GM meetings that the Astros have been getting

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Speaker 1: a lot of calls on Jake Myers, and this is

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Speaker 1: not a new thing. Teams were calling on Jake Myers

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Speaker 1: when he was not producing, because he's always been a

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Speaker 1: an exit Villo, Darling, darling, if you will, just with

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Speaker 1: And it brings back the fact, and I know you

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Speaker 1: because for the large majority of his major league career

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Speaker 1: it had been a struggle. Now, part of that was injuries.

433
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Speaker 1: Part of that was they rushed him back from a

434
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Speaker 1: traumatic shoulder injury early in his career, and you don't

435
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Speaker 1: know how much that set him back. I'm I know

436
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: it set him back a good bit, but you don't

437
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: know if that was the whole reason. You don't know

438
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: if you know what clicked this year, I'm not sure,

439
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: But suffice to say he has coveted around the league.

440
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Speaker 1: And I thought you brought up a pretty good point there,

441
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: Chas McCormick was in the same spot, and you know,

442
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: it was a different regime. It was a different baseball

443
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Speaker 1: operations regime. Maybe when Chaz was when they were getting

444
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: all these calls on Chaz and when everyone there were

445
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: teams that really wanted him and they held on to him.

446
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't know, he made the one

447
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: of the, if not the most iconic defensive play in

448
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: franchise history and was a really good middle of the

449
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: order bat when he was played for a team that

450
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Speaker 1: went to Game seven of the ALCS in twenty twenty three,

451
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: So I guess you can't say it didn't work out.

452
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's an eerily similar position for them to

453
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Speaker 1: be in to happen.

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Speaker 2: A lot of even before that, Jake Marisnik, you know,

455
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 2: same thing. Whereas a really good rangey center fielder who

456
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Speaker 2: kind of hit out of his mind in twenty seventeen

457
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: and then never really got to that again. They actually

458
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: have had a lot of those. But you know, we'll see.

459
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if had the offensive ceiling that

460
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: Myers or McCormick do.

461
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: No, I mean, he had a one nineteen ops plus

462
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen. I mean, I agree with you. But

463
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: he had a very good season in twenty seventeen. He

464
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Speaker 2: had a similar kind of top out season to Myers

465
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Speaker 2: and McCormick. What was going on in twenty seventeen, Well,

466
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Speaker 2: he had really great hair, if you recall, so I

467
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Speaker 2: think that's probably that probably had a lot to do

468
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Speaker 2: with it.

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Speaker 1: You think it was the hair. Okay, something else happened

470
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, Josel Tuve won the American League MVP.

471
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Speaker 2: You remember that, I do. It was cool. I was

472
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Speaker 2: very excited you were.

473
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Speaker 1: I did not vote in that award cycle because I

474
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Speaker 1: was covering the Alabama Crimson Tide back then.

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Speaker 2: Boom.

476
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Speaker 1: Now, since I've started covering baseball, I get to vote

477
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Speaker 1: for these awards. The guy that finished runner up to

478
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Speaker 1: Josel Tuvan twenty seventeen, I don't know if you know

479
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: he's Aaron Judge. He won the twenty twenty five American

480
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Speaker 1: League MVP. I don't know if you've heard that. I

481
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Speaker 1: had a vote and I voted for Aaron Judge to

482
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: win Most Valuable Player over Cal Raley. It was a

483
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: close vote. I think I expected it to be closer.

484
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge got seventeen first place votes, cal Raley got thirteen.

485
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 1: They were both one and two on every ballot, so

486
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Speaker 1: there was thirty ballots. Thirty people vote from the BBWAA,

487
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Speaker 1: so seventeen of them voted for Aaron Judge, thirteen of

488
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: them voted for cal Raley. Those results were announced on Thursday,

489
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Speaker 1: and ever since I have gotten I've become acquainted with

490
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: a lot of very upset Mariners fans. Would you like

491
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: to hear some of the things that have been sent

492
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Speaker 1: to Mehm?

493
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: Some of those are me from burner accounts, so I'll

494
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 2: recognize them, but yeah, let's hear them.

495
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: Okay, First, this guy, so my Instagram is now because

496
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: this dude, you don't have a request to follow anybody.

497
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: If it's a public account, you can just send them

498
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: a message. We have advertisers that run on this pod,

499
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna say some of the words because

500
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: I want the ads to run so we can get

501
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: the money. That is why we do this, right, We

502
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: do this for the money. This child to God named

503
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Speaker 1: Sean Erickson E R I C K S O N.

504
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: If you're gonna send me your regular name on Instagram,

505
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: I feel obliged to tell the world. The message begins

506
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: I'd like to take pity on you, but see you

507
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: are a federally protected as a blind blank midget, So

508
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: the point is mute, not mut mute. My best guess

509
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: with your status is you will forever be single. But

510
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: I truly hope you walk in to hear your mother

511
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: cheating on your dad as bad as your beloved twenty

512
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: seven Ash twenty seventeen Ashtros cheated baseball. Appreciate that from

513
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: Eric this this child to God named Leslie Montero. No,

514
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's any relation to Rafael Montero.

515
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: This specimen said, are you really that butt hurt that

516
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: the Mariners won the Al West over your Astros that

517
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: you decided to vote Judge out of spite? This is

518
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: why you are fake news and why we don't trust

519
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: the media anymore. You guys have agendas, and that's why

520
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: newspapers are dead and why people don't watch ESPN or

521
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: the news anymore. It's people like you that make it

522
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: possible stay woke about the Mariners defeating your Astros in

523
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: the Al West. We just got started. We are going

524
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: to be a dynasty soon. While the Astros spell of

525
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: an extra sk are a team in decline, so appreciate

526
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: less help. Who would have ever known that? Who would

527
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: have ever known that the Mariners are woke?

528
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: That is so so funny. Oh we should do that

529
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: every episode. Just read awful thing sent to you. So

530
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: it's incredible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting.

532
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: I really like the cognitive sentence, always saying, like, you

533
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: just loved the twenty seventeen Astros. That's why you voted

534
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: for famously the guy that everyone who loves the twenty

535
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: seventeen Astros Aaron Judge. Yeah, the guy that any Astros

536
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: fan would be excited to see. That's now granted, there're too,

537
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: Like you said, they're two identical candidacy. I think you

538
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: could have voted for either one and it would make

539
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 2: a ton of sense. There was no there was no wrong, no,

540
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: But look, man, I remember I remember sitting I don't

541
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Speaker 2: know if I've told the story before. I went into

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00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: interview for a job with the Astros in like twenty

543
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: and thirteen, fourteen something like that, and I happened to

544
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: be in the day that they were announcing Hall of

545
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: Fame inductions, and so I did the interview, and then

546
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: I came and sat down like behind home plate and

547
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: was just on the Astros like Wi Fi on my

548
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: computer and I watched Vigio not get inducted because I

549
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: was like, oh, it'd be cool to be like in

550
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: here there seem get inducted, and I kind of thought

551
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: there would be like people watching it somewhere. There wasn't.

552
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: It was just me sitting in the stands. But I

553
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: remember being so like personally offended that these faceless writers

554
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: didn't vote for Craig Vigio, like that it hurt me

555
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: as a person. I was like very upset. It was

556
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: like taking down my own self worth that this did

557
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: not happen. So all that to say, I get it.

558
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Speaker 2: I get not having your guy winning VP, especially after

559
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: the season that cal Rawley had. That's hilarious and two

560
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: excellent riders. You should offer them internships.

561
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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I could sit here and like

562
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: give you my rationale. I don't think it's gonna help.

563
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: It has been interesting, though, and maybe you can weigh

564
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 1: on this or from like a fan perspective, it's been

565
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: hilarious to like read like there are Astras fans that

566
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: are very pleased with me, that are like very happy

567
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: that I voted for Aaron Judge of all people like,

568
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: it's like, what have we gotten to? Like Astra's fans

569
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: are happy that Aaron Judge did got got an award.

570
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: Like, I think you're misreading that. It's every Astros fan

571
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: just universally loves you. I've never seen anyone upset with you.

572
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: Every tweet that I see loves you. I did see

573
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: people defending you whenever people were coming and saying, this

574
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: guy's just a fan or whatever, and they kept sending

575
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: the screenshot of your tweet where you were just like

576
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Speaker 2: I'm not a fan and I don't care at all.

577
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: Something something in those lines. I saw that quite a bit.

578
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: So you know, you got some defenders out there.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to spell one thing because the common thing

580
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: or one common thing that either in the other emails

581
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: or messages that I got or in tweets or whatever,

582
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: was that, like you were just like you saw you

583
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: saw Raleigh more this season and you just must have

584
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: been jealous or whatever, Like let me remind you. Cal

585
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: Raley played in thirteen games against the Astros this year

586
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: and had a six sixty OPS. Aaron Judge played in

587
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: six games against the Astros this year and had a

588
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: six forty six OPS. Literally both of these guys played

589
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: like crap against the Astros. So then Raleigh in a

590
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: larger sample size, So if it's not about like I

591
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: saw Aaron Judge hit eight homers and I saw Cal

592
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, was terrible, and so like that's what I chose,

593
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: Like no, like I watched the six the times I

594
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: got to watch these guys, neither of them lived up

595
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: to their MVP expectations. Now that's a credit to the

596
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: Astros and their pitching staff. And that's also a very

597
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: limited sample size. It's very small sample size, so you

598
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: don't draw conclusions on that. My rationale was pretty simple.

599
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: Like again, if cal Rawley would have won this award,

600
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: like it would have been more than deserved, Like there

601
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: is no wrong answer here, Like I'm not, I can't.

602
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: This is gonna sound weird coming from a guy that

603
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: did vote Judge first, Like there's nothing with Judge that

604
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: I can just like stand on a hill and die

605
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: on like, oh my god, this is why it's him,

606
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: Like there is no reasoning otherwise, Like what put me

607
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: over the top with Judge the separation between the two

608
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: in every offensive stat aside from home runs, like Aaron

609
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: Judge had like a batting average one hundred points higher

610
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: than cal Rawley, his OPS was about eighty points higher

611
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: on base and slug he slugged. Cal Raley hit sixty

612
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: home runs and Aaron Judge still slugged ninety nine points

613
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: higher than him. If you look at the park adjusted numbers,

614
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: and that's WRC plus and OPS plus, like Judge laps

615
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: him like. Judge was over two hundred in both categories

616
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: both WRC plus OPS plus, Raleigh didn't eclipse one seventy

617
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: and in either of them if those numbers were even

618
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: a fraction closer, like if Judge had a batting average

619
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Speaker 1: fifty points higher, or if his WRC plus was like

620
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: one ninety and Raleigh's was one seventy, like I'm probably

621
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: voting for cal Raley, but it was just such a

622
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: disparity in their offensive statistics and how you could compare

623
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: them that that to me, it felt wrong to not

624
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: reward that offensive season that Judge had. And I do

625
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: want to say one thing about Judge defensively, and please

626
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: don't misunderstand me. I am not equating playing right field

627
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: to catching like what cal Raley did catching that many innings,

628
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: not allowing a pass ball for the whole regular season

629
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: and almost twelve hundred innings of catching squatting as much

630
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: as he did leading that pitching staff. There is no

631
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: comparison to that, however, Like it's not as if Aaron

632
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: Judge DHD every day, like he was out there with

633
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: a body that quite frankly, no other human being that

634
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: is that size is playing the outfield like anywhere. And

635
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: he's a decent right fielder. Is he a goal glover? No,

636
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: But like to just completely dismiss the fact that a

637
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: six foot seven man that is built like a defensive

638
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: end is out and right field every day, and you

639
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: know he's got wear and tear out there. He's got

640
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: to run balls down the gap. He was playing through

641
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: an injury the last two months, his elbow was his

642
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: elbow was not doing well, and he still went out

643
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 1: there and posted to act.

644
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: He's got to pretend that the role called cool. That's

645
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: the hardest part.

646
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: But to pretend that that was to overlook that I

647
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: thought was short sighted. Again, certainly not sitting here and

648
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Speaker 1: saying that playing right field kind of quite to catching

649
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Speaker 1: every day. I think if Aaron Judge was a DH

650
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Speaker 1: only then I think I got a voted for cal Raley,

651
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Speaker 1: But it just didn't seem right to look at a

652
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Speaker 1: season that Aaron Judge had and he did some things

653
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Speaker 1: and had some numbers that the last person to do

654
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: them was Barry Bonds in two thousand and four. Like

655
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Speaker 1: when you start to get in that category like it,

656
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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem it. It felt weird not to reward that.

657
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Speaker 1: And you know, the one other thing I will say is,

658
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Speaker 1: you know, in trying to do all this, I leaned

659
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Speaker 1: on players a lot, like I talked to a lot

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Speaker 1: of players about this, both players inside the Ashers Clubhouse

661
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: and both outside of the Asher's Clubhouse. So no, I

662
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: wasn't just going to the astros and see who they thought,

663
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Speaker 1: like I got other guys and other teams. I got

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Speaker 1: retired guys, just anyone you can think of, and I'm

665
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: not kidding. Every one of them came back and said Judge.

666
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Speaker 1: And then it kind of blew up in my face

667
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: when cal Rawley won like the Player's Choice awards that

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Speaker 1: the players vote on. So again it just goes to

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Speaker 1: show you how divided and how like polarizing this topic was.

670
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Speaker 1: But I thought a couple some things that some players

671
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 1: said stood out, and there were two of them. One

672
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: was that, you know, one player said, for Judge to

673
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Speaker 1: do this when he is the bold underline circle on

674
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Speaker 1: every scouting report going into every series, when he's going

675
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: to see in a three game series, he may see

676
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: four pitches to hit total. And the fact that he

677
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Speaker 1: can still do this is nothing short of remarkable. And

678
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Speaker 1: the conversation that the player and I had, I was like, well,

679
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,479
Speaker 1: you know Cal had that burden too. He goes, Cal

680
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: had that burden starting in like June when everyone realized

681
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: that he was having another worldly season. Aaron Judges had

682
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Speaker 1: that burden for the last four years and he still

683
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Speaker 1: manages to do it. And then maybe I didn't take

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Speaker 1: this into account as much as some other things players

685
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Speaker 1: told me, but another person you know, brought up you know,

686
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Speaker 1: this guy plays in New York, Like the entire world

687
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: is fixated on his every move about, you know, doing

688
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, if he goes oh for ten, you know,

689
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Speaker 1: he's getting questions at his locker after the game, like

690
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: are you washed? Like if the Yankees, like if he

691
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: could be having a great series, and if the Yankees

692
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: get swept, he's got to be the guy that stands

693
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Speaker 1: up there and is like taking the media, daggers and

694
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Speaker 1: the New York media is different than a lot of

695
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: other places like that. I couldn't overlook that either. So again,

696
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: like I, I there was no wrong answer. If Kyl

697
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Speaker 1: Raly would have won the MVP, I would have been

698
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: perfectly okay. I would have applauded it. It would have been

699
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: a well deserved MVP. It was a really tough decision

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Speaker 1: to make, and I just I hope, like I gave.

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00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: I put my reasoning out there, like I didn't just

702
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Speaker 1: like wake up the day before the vote was due

703
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, you know, I think although judge

704
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: like no, like I agonized as a strong word, I

705
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: struggled and wrestled with this decision for a while until

706
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Speaker 1: finally hitting the hitting the button before the playoffs. That's

707
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Speaker 1: another thing. People don't realize the votes are due before

708
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Speaker 1: the playoffs. So anything cal Rawley or Aaron judged in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Okay? Good. Someone from the last ten minutes will clip

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Speaker 2: something from that that can be your answer we put

712
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: out there. Those are the lies. Let's get to the truth.

713
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: Here's what actually happened, and it's that you work for

714
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Speaker 2: the New York Times and so they put they put

715
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: the call out that said, everybody, all across baseball, you

716
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: gotta vote for the Yankee because that's going to raise

717
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: our Sunday paper ad rates. I'm not entirely sure how

718
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 2: the newspaper business works anymore, but I know you voted

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Speaker 2: for Judge.

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Speaker 1: Well, Leslie just told you newspapers are dead, see, so

721
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Speaker 1: she knows how it works. It was funny, like, so

722
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Speaker 1: we did an explainer on the Athletic because we had

723
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Speaker 1: it was myself and three other coworkers all had al

724
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Speaker 1: MVP votes, So technically four people from the New York

725
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: Times voted for this, and we split, like two of

726
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Speaker 1: us voted for Judge, two of us voted for Raleigh.

727
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Speaker 1: So it was a tough decision. And it's one of

728
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Speaker 1: these like I just would rather vote for Manager of

729
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: the Year every year and just give it to either

730
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Speaker 1: Kevin Cash or Steven Vote or whichever. Like low, low

731
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Speaker 1: payroll team from the AL Central makes the playoffs like that,

732
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Speaker 1: that's much easier than having to do this. Congratulate relations

733
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: to Hunter Brown finished third and Cy Young voting officially,

734
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Speaker 1: so the Ashers get their pp I pick next year.

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00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: Good for them, Good for good for Hunter Brown, who's

736
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: going to be quite rich in about three years if

737
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Speaker 1: the Astros blow him out of the water, maybe even sooner.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that'll happen, though. Congrats to the South

739
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Speaker 1: Carolina game Cocks, who put up a valiant effort in

740
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Speaker 1: College station this this weekend. They fought. They had some

741
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: pluck and some grit and it was a it was

742
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: a They had to fight the cops too, like it

743
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: was an entire mission that that team had to conquer.

744
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: And I think I think it ended pretty well formed,

745
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Speaker 1: didn't it?

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Speaker 2: Can I clear up that that is not an A

747
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: and M cop, that's a state trooper? So quit quit

748
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: putting that on the aggies.

749
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Speaker 1: All right, Well he's dressing khakis like all them.

750
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's fair. Uh okay. So we've discussed my

751
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: lucky shirt before and that at all of my college

752
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: clothes don't fit me anymore. So I didn't own any

753
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: A and M stuff, and I went to Walmart or

754
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: something before the season and the ANM branded one was

755
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: like thirty dolls, and I'm like, I'm not doing that.

756
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: So I just bought a plane maroon eight dollars T

757
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 2: shirt and I've worn it every game, and they've won

758
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: every game. And when in a and N played LSU

759
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: and they started really bad, I hadn't been wearing the

760
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: shirt yet, and as soon as I put it on

761
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: and then stormed back. Well, this Saturday, I was with

762
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: my sick kid for the entire first half of the game.

763
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Speaker 2: So when they were down thirty to three, and I

764
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Speaker 2: wasn't wearing the Lucky shirt, and I came home at

765
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: halftime and I put it on and the Aggies came back.

766
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Speaker 2: So all I'm saying is I might be responsible. I

767
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: might have like a little bit of credit for this.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to your wear that. And like the

769
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: second round of the playoff and they're playing like whoever

770
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: the group of five whoever the group of five representative

771
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: is and they have to kick a field goal to

772
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: beat them, and then the.

773
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Speaker 2: PR staff think you will have a second round of

774
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Speaker 2: the playoff.

775
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the cheese At Bowl would

776
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: be a great destination. Maybe the Mayo Bowl. Watch whoever

777
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: this interim coaches get some Mayo thrown on him before

778
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: he gets fired by the coach coming in be a

779
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: great time. LSU ls who played Arkansas on Saturday and

780
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: what was a just a disaster of a football game.

781
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: But the drive that won them the game, I think

782
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: they I think they had four different people throw a pass.

783
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: They were running like double reverses and double passes. And

784
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: I texted a friend of mine and go, this is

785
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: the kind of drive you do when you just say,

786
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: ef it, we're getting fired anyway, let's just empty the playbook.

787
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: And that's what they did, and that's how they scored.

788
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: That's how they scored the touchdown. So I know, I

789
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: hope I never have to watch Selishue team play again.

790
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: It is not an enjoyable experience, but you'll get to

791
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: watch Mike Elko coach Texas A and M for a

792
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: very long time, even though you can't be asked about it.

793
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: I heard that was a thing. I heard. Uh.

794
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: I saw that from Carter.

795
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: Only Only only S I D S and only PR

796
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: people could make that win a footnote like think about

797
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: how stupid. And then they they didn't. They tweet a

798
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: picture of the dude sign in the contract from like

799
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: their official account, and then it's like, oh, don't ask

800
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: about it. Did could the media room even hear them

801
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: say that? Or were they all doing the swaying too,

802
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: because they were excited. They were.

803
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, look there's a you know, you just get infected

804
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: by the Aggie spirit when you live in College Station.

805
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: It's hard to stay objective. Okay, it just.

806
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: You live and is that what it's called the agihim?

807
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:59,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Agie Warreham. Yeah, I mean counterpointt. Why else would

808
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: you live in going Texas A and M. So I

809
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: get it, like, if you're gonna live there, you might

810
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: as well buy in because if you're if you're not

811
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: on board here, there's not a lot else to do.

812
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: True. That true that I've been there. Northgate was fun.

813
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: I went to Northgate a couple times. I enjoyed it.

814
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: Other than that it looked like just it was Texas,

815
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: A and M. And that was it didn't look like

816
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: a place she wanted to settle down for a while.

817
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: No offense to the permanent College Station residents that listen

818
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: to this pod. I'm sure you guys are wonderful. I'm

819
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: sure you've got great homes and are thriving in a

820
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: metropolis that is Bryant College Station.

821
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Speaker 2: So for those of you that as a Grand Stafford Theater,

822
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: that's a great place to see a show. So, you know,

823
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: there's things to do.

824
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: Things plural good. I hope those things include listening to

825
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: this podcast. Maybe not after this, maybe not after this

826
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: past five minutes. But if you want to listen to

827
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: this again, or if you want to get my other

828
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: thoughts on Texas A and AM athletics, you can follow

829
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: me on x at chandler Underscore Room. You can follow

830
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 1: Tyler at Tyler C. Stafford. Please always rate and review

831
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: us on Apple and Spotify, and you could subscribe to

832
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: the Crush City Territory YouTube channel so you can get

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00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: notified every time we post a new pod. We will

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Speaker 1: be back next week, kind of a newsy week next

835
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Speaker 1: week fromer Valdez has until Tuesday to decline the ASTROS

836
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Speaker 1: qualifying offer, which he will very likely do, and then

837
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: the non tender deadline is on Friday. So we talked.

838
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: We had a pod a couple of weeks ago when

839
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Speaker 1: we showed you all the sixteen guys that are arbitration eligible.

840
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: Some of them have been taking care of already. Chas

841
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: McCormick's one of them. Luis Garcia is another one. So

842
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: I think they've got fourteen guys that they've got to

843
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: make decisions on tender and on to tender them a

844
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: contract or not. We'll preview that on a pod next

845
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: week and then on Sunday we'll kind of react to

846
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: what the Ashers do. But until then, we appreciate you

847
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: guys listening and we'll talk to you soon.

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00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: Everybody, call your dad and let them know that Ken

849
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: Burns has a new documentary called The American Revolution and

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Speaker 2: just you know, see where that takes you. Bye.