1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Two words that should not 2 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: be in the same sentence, porn and child. How about 3 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: these words child porn and daycare that should not even 4 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: be in the same paragraph daycare, child porn. I'm Nancy Grace. 5 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us 6 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and series M one eleven where 7 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: we still care about fighting crime and that includes child 8 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: porn by a daycare operator. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. 9 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Liza Ross and our CBS two. 10 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: Lena's Garden Daycare on Decatur Avenue in Williams Bridge's temporarily 11 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: closed and police have released this photo of employee Silfredo 12 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: Castillo Martinez. They're asking anyone whose children may have come 13 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: in contact with him to give them a call. Earlier 14 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: this month, the thirty two year old was arrested for 15 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: creating and possessing child pornography. He's been employed there for 16 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: the last decade. This mother almost enrolled her three sons. 17 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: There's just something felt all, you know, Mother Tolkien in 18 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: a criminal complaint. The Bronx District Attorney says Martinez told 19 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: an officer May third, I download child porn movies I 20 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: got it from Telegram in different chat roots. Telegram is 21 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: a social media app with instant messaging and foul sharing features. 22 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: The officer said. A surge of Martinez's computer found ten 23 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: files involving children. One was an infant and others were 24 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: boys between the ages of seven and twelve. I heard 25 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: know where to start. This guy had been working there 26 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: for ten years and the parents liked him because he 27 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: was quote friendly, always talking. I bet he was friendly guys. 28 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: This makes me sick to my stomach. I did a 29 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: ton of research on this in addition to prosecuting child 30 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: molestations in child abuse cases for my book Don't Be 31 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: a victim about how to avoid pitfalls like this when 32 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: you're taking your child to a babysitter, having somebody come 33 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 1: into the home, or going to daycare. Let me first 34 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: start with Nicole Parton Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter 35 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: and you can find her on Twitter at Nicole Parton. 36 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: Nicole what happened? This guy who's making and exchanging porn 37 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: had been working at a daycare for ten years. That's right, Nancy. 38 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: So From twenty eleven to twenty twenty two, Philfredo Castillo Martinez, 39 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: thirty two years old, has been working at the daycare, 40 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: actually running the astor school program at the daycare, and 41 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: he's are saying they believe that he's been involved in 42 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: child pornography the entire time. As a matter of fact, 43 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: one of his victims reportedly is a twelve year old 44 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: who went to the daycare center. How did this happen? 45 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: He's been doing this for teen years at that daycare 46 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: center and nobody figured it out. Well, it's not the 47 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: first time that this has happened, has happened many times before. 48 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: But take a listen again to our cut two Lisa 49 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: Roster CBS two. A police hource tells us one of 50 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: the victims is a twelve year old who attended the daycare. 51 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: Authorities haven't found evidence there were other victims from the location, 52 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: but they are still investigating a lot of people who 53 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: send accusalia. Never had no problem about everybody who loved 54 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: this guy, But clear red flags aren't always there, says 55 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: the executive director of the New York Society for Prevention 56 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: of Cruelty to Children. The people that abuse children sexually 57 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: abuse children are master manipulators. Ninety percent of child sex 58 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: abuse is committed by someone the child knows and trust 59 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: it's never too early to start this conversation with your 60 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: children about what parts of their body or private. For now, 61 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: Martinez remains in jail as he has not been able 62 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: to meet bail set at one hundred thousand dollars cash 63 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: or three hundred thousand dollars bond. Straight out to Scott A. Johnson, 64 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 1: forensic psychologists joining us out of Minnesota, thirty two years 65 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: specializing and stopping and addressing sex predators. You know, Scott Johnson, 66 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. So often adult females 67 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: of rape or sex attack come forward. In fact, the 68 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: vast majority of them never report the rape or tack. 69 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: With children, it's even more explain like you just heard 70 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: somebody say nobody had any idea. Well, of course not 71 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: because children don't know how to enunciate. I mean some 72 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: of them are two and three years old. One of 73 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: these was an infant, an infant. So explain why children 74 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: typically don't say, hey, mommy, I just got raped. They can't, right, 75 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: And the problem is is that with the children number one, 76 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: they should never be in this situation, that they're not 77 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: equipped to deal with this situation, and the perpetrators don't 78 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: just use fear tactics. They also build a relationship, They 79 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: groom and they try to make it a little less 80 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: scary at times. Therefore, by the time most child victims 81 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,799 Speaker 1: probably first disclose, it may be in my opinion, anywhere 82 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: from three to five or ten years later, because takes 83 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: that long to process, plus it takes that long perhaps 84 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: to have someone believe them. Yeah, you're right to. Stacy 85 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: Hanno is joining US assistant State Attorney in Florida, her 86 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: specialty sex crimes and child abuse, and author of My 87 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: Private Parts Are Private? Explain Can you back up Scott 88 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: Johnson and verbalize what I'm trying to say that why 89 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: children do not report? Well, look, there is a myriad 90 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: of reasons why little kids don't want to come forward. 91 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: Number one, they trust the person, or they've learned to 92 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: trust the person, and they don't want to get the 93 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: person in trouble. That's the first thing. The second thing 94 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: is they're threatened if you tell anybody you're going to 95 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: get in trouble, I'm going to do something to your family. Third, 96 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: they don't want to talk about something that has to 97 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: deal with their private parts. And this is why I 98 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: have been saying for years and years and met with 99 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,119 Speaker 1: so much resistance about early education. You need to teach 100 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: the kids earlier. The infants, of course we have no 101 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: control over. But from the time that a child can say, 102 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: that's my eyes, that's my nose, that's my mouth. And 103 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: when pure parents are so excited show Grandma, where's your tommy, 104 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: where's your knee, there's nothing wrong with saying that's my 105 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: vagina and that's my keens. And the thing is, it's 106 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: not the children that are embarrassed by learning this stuff, 107 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: it's the parents later on. You need to educate early. 108 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: These are your private parts. No one can touch them. 109 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: No one will hurt you if you come forward and tell. 110 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: If you tell somebody, we will perspect you and we 111 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: will fight for you. This has been my mantra forever. 112 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: And we see these cases day in and day out, 113 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: and parents who say to me, I don't know how 114 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: to start this conversation. Well, it's easier to have a 115 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: ten minute conversation every single day with your kid. Been 116 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: sitting in the state Attorney's office. If fossil bid your 117 00:07:49,880 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: kid as a victim. Time stories with Nancy Greece to 118 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: Tania Jordan is with me chief parent office with Bark, 119 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: and you all know how I felt about Bark. I 120 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: love Bark, and no I'm neither spokesperson. I have it 121 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: on my phone on my devices, and whenever any particular 122 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: word comes up on the children's phone, it alerts me. 123 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: Usually it's something in a song that's been passed around 124 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: on their group chat. I remember going over to two 125 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: the Twins school and taking my son out of class 126 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: when I got a bark control that the F word 127 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: was used. Somebody had sent him around. I didn't know 128 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: what it was, but I looked at it on Bark 129 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: and it said the sentence and I thought, I cannot 130 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: believe this has come out of my son's mouth. Ever well, 131 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: to Thania, I drove to the school. I dropped what 132 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: I was doing and I drove to the school and 133 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: I showed I said, somewhat is this and he went, mom, 134 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: that's part of a lyric. Blank, I'll leave the little 135 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: boy's name out of a rap song that he sent me. 136 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: And he showed it to me, and in fact, that 137 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: is what it was. And Bart is so sensitive. It 138 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: picked up the F word in a rap song somebody 139 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: sent to my son. So long story short, I mean 140 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: the thing you don't want to do is find out 141 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: your daycare provider, who is with your child every afternoon 142 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: after school, is making porn. So could you help me 143 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: out on how this would show up online? Absolutely, Nancy Gosh, 144 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,599 Speaker 1: I have so much to say, and I'm going to 145 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: keep it as short and sweet as possible. First of all, 146 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: Bark has helped to escalate over a thousand predators to 147 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: law enforcement. Last year alone, there was a ninety seven 148 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: and a half percent increase in online enticement reports. According 149 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: to nickmack Hey, could you just slow down a tiny 150 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: bit online enticement? What is that that's making me feel like? 151 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: I remember when we lived in New York so long. 152 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: We would walk by something called Hot and Crusty. It 153 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: was a bakery by it, and it would be at 154 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: night by the time I was getting home off Larry 155 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: King and whatever whatever I was coming, and it would 156 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: look so good I just wanted to break in the 157 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: front door and get it all to me. That's being enticed. 158 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: But you have a very different meaning. But the way 159 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: you said it makes it sound not so bad. Online 160 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: enticement is the worst. It's grooming, it's befriending children, it's 161 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: almost acting like a peer in some cases and eventually 162 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: leading to sextortion where they'll pressure a childhood to sending 163 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: a photo and then saying, if you don't send me more, 164 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: I'll hurt your family. But there's so much talk about here, 165 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: specifically with regards to the daycare and the trust that 166 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: is placed between children and who they know. As a 167 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: childhood sexual abuse survivor myself, the things that we're talking 168 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: about today hit very close to home. I was too 169 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: young to understand what was happening. All I knew was 170 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: that it felt good, and that was it. I had 171 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: been talked to about private parts and how only doctors 172 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: and mom and dad should should you know, see them 173 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: or touch them? And so I knew, my mom knew, 174 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: but I needed to be having more of those conversations. 175 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: And then once I finally realized, wow, this was not okay, 176 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: then I was terrified. This is a man we had 177 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: found through our church, and you know, what would happen 178 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: to him and did he even mean to do it? 179 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: And would he hurt me and my family? And all 180 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: of these thoughts coming through your head between you actually 181 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: say did he mean to do it? I did? Yeah, 182 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: that was one of the things. Was he just a 183 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: curious person and made a mistake at should I forgive 184 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: him again? An adult? An adult? Yeah, making mistake getting 185 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: into your pants? Right? Oh yeah? Okay, guys, we are 186 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: talking about a guy making porn with children as young 187 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: as infants, and he also ran a daycare taking less 188 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: an hour cut nine our friends at w ABC. This 189 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: is what a parents' nightmare is made out of. Now, 190 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: we spoke with business owners as well as residents who 191 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: know Costio Martinez. They've seen him take children from the 192 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: daycare to a local park and never notice anything inappropriate. Now, 193 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: with shocking as this might be, the community member's police 194 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: believe there could be more victims. Police need your help 195 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: tracking down more potential victims of Sylvaino Castillo Martinez, the 196 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: thirty two year old now behind bars, charged with promoting 197 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: and possessing multiple pornographic images involving children. Tonight, Lena's daycare 198 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: in the Bronx where because Steve Martinez operated an afterschool program, 199 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: temporarily closed. I'm really surprised. I don't know no worse 200 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: to see. One parent who lives nearby breathing a sigh 201 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: of relief his five year old was not accepted into 202 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: the program, ask for too much papers, We didn't have 203 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: that over everything. So yeah, we're looking within left keet there. 204 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: You know. It's amazing to me and I want to 205 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: follow up on this that people that know the say, oh, well, 206 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: we never had a problem. That's because child more station 207 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: and creating porn is done in secret. To Derek Ellington 208 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: joining me Certified forensics Examiner, licensed PI at Ellington Digital 209 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: Forensics Ellington dot net. Derek, how do we find the 210 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: porn in order to analyze it and then match up 211 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: the children and the pictures with the infants and children 212 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: at the daycare? Well, in as a prosecutor, you know 213 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: how big of a problem this is. And the first 214 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: thing I would say is one of the mothers from 215 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: the daycare she said the most important thing I think 216 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: in an interview, and that was her vibe that there 217 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: was something that was off. And what people need to 218 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: understand about these predators is that they're so good at 219 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: fitting in, they're so good at being charismatic manipulative, that 220 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: sometimes we only have the slightest clue. You know, they 221 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: pop up on the radar one time, so people have to, 222 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: you know, look for changes in their kids' behavior, trust 223 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: their vibe about a place. Unfortunately, sometimes these people only 224 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: pop up on the radar one time, and so we 225 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: always have to be very careful about looking for that. 226 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: One of the other things is content providers like Google 227 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: and Microsoft and stuff. They do a good job of 228 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: trying to find these things. So what's happened is it's 229 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: caused the predators and the child porn creators and consumers 230 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: to go further underground. You and I've talked many times 231 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: about the Dark Web and things like that. They're getting 232 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: harder and harder to find because they use technology, they 233 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: use tricks to hide. So again it's very important that 234 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: people trust their vibe. They see these little clues things 235 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: like that. That's how we catch these people. I want 236 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: to go back to Nicole parton joining US Crime online 237 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. You state that some of the 238 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: child victims were infants in the child porn. That's correct. 239 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: So authorities are saying that one of the victims in 240 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: the video, in the videos uploaded, were an infant, So 241 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: we have knowledge that there is at least one infant, 242 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: and then the other children involved were boys ages seven 243 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: to twelve. And while we can focus on the fact 244 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: that he meant that the perp was in charge of 245 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: the after school program, which is for the older school 246 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: aged children. It's also odd to note that his home 247 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: address is listed as the daycare address, so it's believed 248 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: that he lives in that same building. So he had 249 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: access not just to the school aged kiddos at the 250 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: after school program, but he had access to all of 251 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: the victims, all of the children trusted to that daycare, 252 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: which are babies ages six weeks to twelve years old. 253 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: Stacy Hanna was joining me Assistant States Attorney out of Florida. 254 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: Way in. All I can say is this, you know 255 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: people act so surprised. I mean, what we have to 256 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: understand is, as your first guest said, and I always 257 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: have said, a master manipulator. This is what their job 258 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: is to be near kids. It will stop at nothing 259 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: to be in an environment around children. And that's why 260 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: I always try to tell parents. You have to be cognizant. 261 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: You have to use your common sense. Why is this 262 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: guy babysitting infants? Why? I mean not that everybody is 263 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: a predator, but you need to ask questions, you need 264 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: to investigate, You need to figure out and when they 265 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: try to sit in. They fit in because they want 266 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: to have a relationship with the child, because that goes far. 267 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: If they have a relationship with this child and then 268 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: they molest the child or sexually abused this child, the 269 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: likelihood that kid is going to talk in their minds 270 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: is nil. They would say, why would this kid tell 271 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: them me? I bought them things, I gave them money, 272 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: I gave them treats, I gave them twice. That's the manipulation, 273 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: that's the grooming, and so people need to wake up. 274 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: I also tell parents, please don't put pictures of your 275 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: naked babies on Instagram because people don't realize that anybody 276 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: can lift those photos and then put it on the 277 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: dark web, put it in a position where there's a 278 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: naked man with his genitals exposed, and there's your baby 279 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: the beautiful picture you took of your baby in the 280 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: tub next to it. So I don't know why people 281 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: don't wake up and realize. Read the news, listen to 282 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: ins to Greece, see what's going on up there. Don't 283 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: bury your head in the stand because ultimately it could 284 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: be your child, even though you think it could never be. 285 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, and Ianthew This is Derek. I wanted to 286 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: follow up on what she was saying, and that one 287 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: of the biggest concerns that we see that parents often 288 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: overlook is the online gaming and when their kids get 289 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: involved in online gaming. A lot of times the parents 290 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: just you know, they see it as a safe distraction 291 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: for their children. But you need to be as cognizant 292 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: of who your kids are associating with when they're playing 293 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: online games as they would in person. And I tell parents, 294 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: if you wouldn't let a random fifty year old dude 295 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: come to your house and sit on your couch and 296 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: play video games with your kid, don't let them do 297 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: it online. Guys, we were talking about a guy making 298 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: porn which she'll ldren as young as infants, and he 299 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: also ran a daycare. I'm also curious here as to 300 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: how this guy was left alone with the children unsupervised 301 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: in a way that he can actually video sex acts 302 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: on infants, which in my mind is a whole another animal. 303 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: There's child was station in sex acts a little babies. 304 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: This is Scott Chaman in here that you know this 305 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: is typical of the narcissistic and psychopath traits of these offenders. 306 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: They're very calm to come in. They build relationships with adults, 307 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: so no one you know, thinks twice that they're interacting. 308 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: But they're doing too much. And you know, again the 309 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: question of why was he doing what he was doing, 310 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, the access to the children, the amount of time, 311 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: but also the belief in his head that what he's 312 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: doing is okay to do and that you know, that 313 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: competence that you know, again, the lack of being held 314 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: accountable up till now, and most children are not reporting 315 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: in any timely fashioned because they're just not typically capable 316 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: to do so, and so that further emboldens him and 317 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: so likely there'll be many, many more victims here. But 318 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: I agree with so much of what your experts have 319 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: said here that you have to trust your child and 320 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: when something seems off, you have to investigate, you know, 321 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: Scott Johnson and forensic psychologists joining us out of Minnesota. 322 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: I think it also ties into a narcissistic personality and 323 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: that not only is he so bold to do it, 324 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: I think he can get away with it. You can 325 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: actually film it. That's another step and brazenness and another thing, 326 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: anthy you know, these manipulators. Just to chime in it's 327 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: stay they you know, they tell these kids, I love you, 328 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: and what I'm doing is fine, don't worry about it. 329 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: If this is proper, this is okay. And these kids, 330 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: if they're not educated at an early age, if they're 331 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: not taught, then they agree, they go along with it. 332 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 1: And that's a lot of the that's a lot of 333 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: these things that we see. Why we see so much 334 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: in a deleted report. A child who's well educated and 335 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: knows will know the first time someone attempts anything to 336 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: tell somebody, and that can keep you from being a 337 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: perpetual victim. You know, Stacy, You're so right. And I've 338 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: seen in many many cases where adult victims a child 339 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: abuse similar station at the time, they respect the abuser. 340 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: For instance, in this case, guy the works of the daycare. 341 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: But a very close friend of mine was molested by 342 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: an adult male as she was a child, an adult 343 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: male at her church. She was the custodian and that 344 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: went off for years and years and years, and she 345 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: believed wrongly of course, that he was with the church, 346 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: so why would this be wrong. She was afraid to 347 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: speak out. He was a church member as well, and 348 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: thought that she would be disbelieved when she realized ultimately 349 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: that what had been happening to her was wrong. So 350 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: very often, depending on who the purp is in relation 351 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: to the child, they may be afraid to speak out 352 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: or think that, oh, okay, this is all right right. 353 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: And then also could if I could add in on 354 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: that also that you know, the fact that the offender 355 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: has already been accepted by your parents to be around 356 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 1: you further discourages the child at times from telling because 357 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: parents and others have already said this is an okay 358 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: person to be around. So you know, just to highlight 359 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: that that issue, Nancy, this is Eric. One of the 360 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: things he again, you and I've talked about before, is 361 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: how good these predators and these criminals are at compartmentalizing 362 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: their behavior. They are so good, and it's easy for 363 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: us to say that, like you know that it's almost 364 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: like a split personality where they can be that charismatic, 365 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: caring person that everybody puts trust in, but at the 366 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: same time have this dark side. But when we investigate 367 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: these people and we look at their digital footprints, it 368 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: is scary how much it's almost like you're looking at 369 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: two different people because they're so good at covering who 370 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: they really are. Derek. That is an amazing insight because 371 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: I have found so often abusers can be very charming 372 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: and very charismatic, and people on the outside would never 373 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: believe what they're doing behind closed doors. And I've seen 374 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: it so many bad women cases and so many child 375 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: abuse molestation cases. But even on a bigger scale, look 376 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: at these pastors that aren't molesting children, molesting girls, but 377 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: the flock has no idea. Okay, Jim Jones, that's an 378 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: obvious one. He was crazy and ended up murdering so 379 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:30,239 Speaker 1: many people, but on the outside he was revered and 380 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: looked up to and was very charismatic. So if grown 381 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: adults can fall under the spell of a charismatic what 382 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: about little children. You're absolutely right, what you see is 383 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: not always what you get. You see this as everybody 384 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: has brought up today, and I want to really hit home, 385 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: is that you've got to have multiple, ongoing conversations with 386 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: your children at all of Asian stages of their development. 387 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: This is an ongoing conversation, not just a one undone. 388 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: And then second, I want to bring up the fact 389 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: that we really need to start calling this ce SAM 390 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: child sexual abuse material, not child pornography, It increases the 391 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: it desensitizes people to what it actually is, and it 392 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: is horrific sexual abuse and nothing other than that. Nancy Derrick. 393 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: I also so I just wanted to add to for 394 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: people here in North Carolina, this hits a little close 395 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: to home. I know you probably remember in the early 396 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: nineties when it was the Little Rascal daycare center case 397 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: out of Edenton, North Carolina, where the owners seven people 398 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: were charged with abuse. There were over one hundred counts 399 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: of abuse and it was a very highly publicized trial 400 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: that went on for a long time in the early nineties, 401 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: and I think that was one of the first ones 402 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: that really shot some people's sensibilities about those kind of things. 403 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: And I think part of the overall problem we have 404 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: to address is the access to affordable daycare. There were 405 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: sixteen kids in that apartment, and I think that's also 406 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: something affordable, safe daycare is something that this country needs 407 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: to address. Yeah, ye, the Stacey and I just you know, 408 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: I'm doing this over thirty years and so believe me, 409 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: I've seen it all. Every excuse, every parent that's come 410 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: in crying, every parent that said, why my child, every 411 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: parent that said I don't know how to have a conversation. 412 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: This is an epidemic. We cover the fish fold, the 413 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: big cases, the news word of the cases. There are 414 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: hundreds of cases in hundreds of offices all over the 415 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: country where there's child porn, there's child sexual abuse, of 416 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: shild molestation. It is a real issue. And I think 417 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: that we need to educ hadem to school. We need 418 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: parents to stop thinking it's never going to be them. 419 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: We need to know that sex abuse knows no boundary. 420 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 1: That's been black, white, Jewish, Catholic, whatever it is. Anyone 421 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: could be a suspect and anyone could be a victim. 422 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: And so we need to wake up and we need 423 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: to really start having conversations and not being fearful of it. 424 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: Well another thing, Stacy Hannah and Stacy joining us out 425 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: of Florida a specialty sex crimes and child abuse. Author 426 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: of my private parts are private, Stacy. I think parents 427 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: need to come up with a way to say, has 428 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: anyone sex molested you? A child won't even know what 429 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: that means, And it has to be in a non threatening, talkative, 430 00:27:52,280 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: conversational kind gentle way, like you know you've ever been 431 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: in the bathroom, as anyone ever touched your private parts, 432 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: your front end or your back end, or try to 433 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: kiss you in any way that made you feel bad. 434 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: They won't get in trouble. Just tell me, has anybody 435 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: ever done that? Or if you have an idea of 436 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: someone like a babysitter or someone like here at this 437 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: daycare to question them in a non threatening way, tell 438 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: them the person won't get in trouble. But then no 439 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: one is supposed to touch them and their private parts. 440 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: A lot of adults are intimidated about asking it because 441 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: they don't know how to broach it. I thought long 442 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: and hard before I had the talk with the twins. 443 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: Of course, they already knew everything that was to know 444 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: before I got around to saying anything, but I had 445 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: to think of a way to bring it up, just 446 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: like I had to bring up that question then when 447 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: they were little and they were with babysitters or at 448 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: play school. I want to to know, and I wanted 449 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: them to know that they could come to me and 450 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: tell me and not be upset or embarrassed about it. 451 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: So you're very very right. Stay so you don't pass 452 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: the bucks to the teacher. Don't pass the bucks you 453 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: with the parents. You tell your kids. Don't say note, 454 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: you say note to drugs, don't do this, don't do that. 455 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: Now it's time to talk about the tough stuff. Might 456 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: be tough now, it's going to be tougher a little 457 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: bit later if you don't cover it. So everyone needs 458 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: to get on the ball. If you don't cover it, 459 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: So everyone needs to get on the ball. I can 460 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: I add something to that because what you said was amazing. 461 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: And we do a lot of conferences and trainings to 462 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: try to teach parents how to keep their kids safe 463 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: on the internet. And it's interesting that we will do 464 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: a survey and we will say, okay, what is an 465 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: appropriate age for this type of social media or this 466 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: type of electronic device. And it's really interesting that the 467 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: parents will kind of have a certain idea of what 468 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: a certain age limit would be or what appropriate age 469 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: would be. And then we ask the question again and 470 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: we say, what if it's your kid. And the problem 471 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: is is that parents will have an idea of what's 472 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: appropriate for everybody else, but then they'll be more laxed 473 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: when it comes to their kid. Well, my kid can 474 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: handle it, you know. My kid can have this social 475 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,959 Speaker 1: media even though I don't believe it's age appropriate. And 476 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: I think that's part of the problem we run into 477 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: as well, is that parents have an inflated idea of 478 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: what their kids can handle, and you know, need to 479 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: be more realistic about, you know, reining them in and 480 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: monitoring them and stuff like that. And I think that's 481 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: that's kind of the the takeaway here is that you 482 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: have to know what your kids are doing, who they're 483 00:30:47,560 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: associating with, trust your vibe, and trust your kids. Time 484 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Back to Scott Johnson, forensic psychologists 485 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: joining US out of Minnesota. What about it, Scott? You 486 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: know what people I always teach law enforcement, for example, 487 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: you know people that are out of context for a situation, 488 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: too friendly or too angry, et cetera. Well, when we're 489 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: dealing with daycare providers or alleged suspects here, you know, 490 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: people that are too friendly toward our kid when they 491 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: shouldn't be, an inappropriate attention toward our kid where it 492 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: shouldn't be. And so some of this is also pieces 493 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: that we have to pay attention to. You know, for example, 494 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: with the Jerry Sandusky case, why was he taking so 495 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: much interest in particular boys, Well, because he was lusting them, 496 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: but on the outside, of course, it appeared he just 497 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: wanted to be coaching them. So to be more aware 498 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: of this to someone that wants an interest in our kid, 499 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: we should be, you know, really looking into that before 500 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: we allow it. And another thing, I mean, we hear 501 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: stories about where teachers spend one on one time with students, 502 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: take them to movies, talk to them over the weekends. 503 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: That's inappropriate. And there was Sandusky talk about a revered figure. 504 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: Every one in the sports world looked up to him. 505 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: So how hard do you think that was for those 506 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: molestation victims to know that this famous, revered guy was 507 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: molesting them. Yeah, what about it, Stacy. We see so 508 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: much of in these coaching cases. These kids that are 509 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: on athletic teams and the coach take such an interest 510 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,719 Speaker 1: in them. And sometimes it's not for the various reasons, 511 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: but many times it is. If you have a coach 512 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: that once your kids' phone number and once to text 513 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: with your child, that wants to come over on Saturday 514 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: and wants to take your kids to the movies. If 515 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: you see an overabundance of affection in some way, you 516 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: need to start asking. It's not always bad, but you 517 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: need to start questioning your child is got something going on? 518 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: Is there something that's making me feel uncomfortable? I mean, 519 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: you need to ask the tough questions. The problem with 520 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: in the society that we live in Bray is people 521 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: don't want to talk about the tough stuff. They want 522 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: to talk about the fruitflu stuff. You know, when I 523 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: tried to talk about with mom bloggers and I ask 524 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: them to please, I think you should maybe put maybe 525 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: your audience would like to know that it's my books, 526 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: there's tools, there's tools that are out there, and they 527 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: say to me, oh, they'd rather talk about a fun 528 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: play data on what's in sail and target. They don't realize, 529 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,239 Speaker 1: you know what you need to cover difficult things and 530 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: you need to talk to your kids. And that's the 531 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: takeaway of everything. Be aware, be aware of surroundings with 532 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: your children, have open conversations and dialogue with your kids. 533 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: Talk to your kids till they finally save you. Mom. 534 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: I've heard it before. I now, don't talk to somebody 535 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: on the internet. Don't do that, you know till they're 536 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: so aggie because it's immarined in their mind. And that's 537 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: and I say that from the perspective of an increase 538 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: in cases and what I've seen over these years and 539 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: how I see how people react and not wanting to discuss, uh, 540 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: you know, hard subjects like the Derek Ellington forensics examiner 541 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: at ellington dot net. What is telegraph. Telegram is just 542 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: basically kind of a chat and communication APT but you 543 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: can trade of files and stuff back and forth. A 544 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 1: lot of this goes on through chat, through encrypted chat. 545 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: The same thing that people look for when they know 546 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: they want to make sure their communications secure is the 547 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: same thing the predators use. Kick messengers another big one 548 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: for this. I think it's important to note, and I've 549 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: talked about earlier about how the predators are getting better 550 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: with their software. It kind of goes back to twenty thirteen, 551 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: the revelations with Eric Snowden and the government collecting people's information. Well, 552 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: what happened is regular people and predators all of a sudden, 553 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: for the first time, had in their head that their 554 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 1: information was not safe and secure, and it started pushing 555 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: them underground. They started using things like you and I've 556 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: talked about the dark web, tour browsers, encrypted chat, and 557 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: so it's made it a lot harder for law enforcements 558 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: to monitor and catch these people. In fact, we had 559 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: a recent case where a guy was doing this stuff. 560 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: He was doing everything correctly from a technology standpoint, hiding 561 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: his tracks and stuff, and one time the software he 562 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: was using, the little program in the background to cover 563 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: his tracks crashed and his IP address his location flashed 564 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: like a beacon for just one instant, and that was 565 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: enough to catch him and put him in jail for 566 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: fourteen years. Sometimes these guys never come up on the radar, 567 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: so when they do, we have to do whatever we 568 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: can to catch them well. And just for my website, 569 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: Forensic Consultation dot org, on the publication page I quick 570 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: for free, people can access articles that are going to 571 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: actually look at what the research has to say about this, 572 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: because all too often I hear people try to defend 573 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: a pedophile they have a psychological disorder. They no, no, 574 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: they made a decision to do what they did. It 575 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: was very deliberate and it's important we understand more of 576 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: the grooming strategies and things like that. So just to 577 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: be more aware, I agree with what everyone's saying, be 578 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: more aware and not afraid to intervene. To you, Nicole Partment, 579 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: where does it stand right now, has a grand jury 580 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: met yet, we are waiting. He remains in jail. He 581 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: was not able to get out on his bond or bail, 582 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: so we wait to see what happened. But these charges, 583 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: he's charged with not only possessing the child porn, but 584 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: promoting the child porn and making it with the children 585 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: at the daycare. We wait as justice unfolds with the 586 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: defendant in this case, Silfreda Martinez Nancy Grace Crime Stories 587 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,