1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a high profile 2 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: lawyer raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: his beautiful trophy wife and their gorgeous children at home 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: all end up in the middle of a murder investigation? 5 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, I mean, Nancy Grace, this 6 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here 7 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. Take a 8 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Oxygen. When it came time 9 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: for college, Dan chose a press Notre Dame, enrolling as 10 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: a pre med major in nineteen sixty five. During his 11 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: junior year, Dan ran into seventeen year old Betty Bisheglia, 12 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: a striking blonde co ed from New York City who 13 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: happened to be visiting a friend in South Bend. Betty 14 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: came from New York and she was in school. She 15 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: was successful, She was a model. She worked all the 16 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: time while she was going through school. Betty was a 17 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: very intelligent person. She was amazingly quick, she was funny. 18 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: When Betty met Dan, she was majoring in child psychology 19 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: at Mount Saint Vincent College in New York City. Her 20 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: brazen personality is charming at first and fun. And he 21 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: was this quiet, kind of introvert, hard working, studious guy, 22 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: and he saw that as almost a compliment to his personality. 23 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: Betty had an image of her life, which meant that 24 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: she would also want to be with somebody who was 25 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: very goal oriented, very successful. Still, Betty turned down Dan's 26 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: first request for a date. You're hearing the story of 27 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: these two, Dan and Betty meeting in college with me 28 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: an all star panel to break you down and put 29 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: it back together again. How this seemingly picture perfect family 30 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: ends up in a murder investigation with me Jim Elliott, 31 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: attorney for a Butler Snow representing multiple municipalities at butlersnow 32 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: dot com. Renowned psychiatrist doctor Angela Arnold joining us from 33 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction, former fed with the FBI, Jeff Cortesi, 34 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: Jennifer schn forensic pathologists, and the former San Diego Police 35 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: Department Crime Lab director, and you can find her at 36 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: jenshen Forensics dot com. But right now to Ray Kaputo, 37 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: lead news anchor for w d BO. Ray Kaputo, So 38 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm understand ending that Dan was also a medical doctor 39 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: as well as a lawyer. This guy was exceptional. I 40 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: mean he not only got a medical degree from Cornell 41 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: right after that, where most people probably never want to 42 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: see the inside of a college classroom. Again, this guy 43 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: goes on to get a lot of grid at Harvard. 44 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: So he was one of the rare people ambitious twice 45 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: that had an m D and a JD. He was. 46 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: He was a pretty ambitious diagn you know, to get 47 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: an MD and a JD. To you, doctor Angela Arnold, 48 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta, how long did it 49 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: take you to get your medical degree? Well, it takes 50 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: four years to get a medical degree. That's after college, 51 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: after four years of undergrad and then you know, tipple 52 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: want to do an internship in a residency. You know what, 53 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time hearing you. Let me understand 54 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: what you just said. You said four years undergrad, then 55 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: four years getting your medical degree. That's eight years. And 56 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: then how long is an intern or a resident? It 57 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: depends on what you go into. It can be anywhere 58 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: from three to seven years to do your internship, residency 59 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: and a fellowship after that. And you Jim Elliott, attorney 60 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: with Butler Snow joining us. Jim, how long does it 61 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: take to get a law degree. So that's your bachelor's 62 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: degree of four years and law law schools three years 63 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: at a minimum, so at least three years. WHOA, So 64 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: this guy back to you, Ray Kaputo has a law 65 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: degree and a medical degree. Correct yet, Nancy, whoa? And 66 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: what about the wife, Betty? What does she study? What 67 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: does she do? Well? She was she was attending college 68 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: when the two men only early on in the sixties, 69 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: in she was into child psychology. Seemed to have a 70 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: career in front of her. She was studying also to 71 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: do work with kids, So she had a career in 72 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: part her book. But like a lot of couples, Nancy, 73 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: back then it was, you know, a one parent household. 74 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: You didn't have to have two parents going to work. 75 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: So Betty decided to stay home with a growing family. 76 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: And well, Dan was in college, they were having kids. 77 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: In fact, they had several kids before he ever got 78 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: out of college. So she was that typical housewife. She 79 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: had her job, but her job was at home. Okay, 80 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: So I couldn't quite hear what you were saying. What 81 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: was she studying today for a living? She was, I believe, 82 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: studying child psychology in college. And then she had went 83 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: on and started working as a teacher until she had 84 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: gotten pregnant. Okay, so she was a teacher, right, is 85 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: that what you're saying. So she's a teacher. He's a 86 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: lawyer slash medical doctor. Ray Kaputo w DBO. Was he 87 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: practicing law or did he ever actually practice medicine? He'd 88 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: never practiced medicine, Nancy. He got burned out and that's 89 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: why he decided to go to Harvard Law. But he 90 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: realized where the money was at. You know, medical malpractice 91 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: is a big banking industry, and that's what he decided 92 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: to get into. So he never really practiced medicine, but 93 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: he did clearly understand it. Okay, And to you, Jim Elliot, 94 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: lawyer with Butler Snow, Jim, you just heard computer say 95 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: he needs where the money is med MAU medical malpractice 96 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: in a nutshell, and don't start talking like a lawyer. 97 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: What is med mouth. Well, it's where you would file 98 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: litigation or see or submit claims on the half of 99 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: any allegedly injured plaintiffs that was injured by any kind 100 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: of healthcare provider. You know, most commonly, it's a misdiagnosis 101 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: of botched surgery. An even number of things, but any 102 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: any professional claim of liability against a medical provider. Okay, 103 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: you know what, let me break that down in regular 104 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: people talk. That means you're suing doctors and hospitals who 105 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: have lots and lots of money for your misdiagnosis or 106 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: your mistreatment that you would not have had they properly 107 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: diagnosed you or treated you. That's big money when you 108 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: start suing, for instance, a hospital that's part of hospitals 109 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 1: all over the country. I remember working on a ani 110 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: trust case when I was with the FEDS and it 111 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: was against Memorial Medical Well. I quickly found out they 112 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: were one such hospital as part of a chain, not 113 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: all under the same name, all across the country. It 114 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: was a huge, huge business healthcare. So when you've got 115 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: a mid mail lawyer medical malpractice lawyer going after a hospital, 116 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: after doctors who we think make a lot of money, 117 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: you're looking at millions and millions of dollars in settlements. 118 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: Would you agree with that, Jim Elliott absolutely, and any 119 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: of someone with a medical degree would certainly have a 120 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: level of expertise that most PLANEFFS lawyers would not, So 121 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: that would even give him a greater advantage to understand 122 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: the record, the testimony, the depositions, all those sorts of things. Now, 123 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: this is what we know about wife Betty. She was 124 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: born Elizabeth Ann. Grew up in a New York suburb, 125 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: a very nice suburb, had Katholic parents, Frank and Maria, 126 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: five siblings. So she comes from a big family. And 127 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: isn't it true, doctor Angela Arnold, when you come from 128 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: a big family, you're more likely to have your own 129 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: big family. Well, it would certainly be something you were 130 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: accustomed to and felt comfortable with, So yes, I think 131 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: you would be more likely to want to have a 132 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: big family. Yeah. I always wanted four children. Somehow I 133 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: got a late start after my fiancee's murder and ended 134 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: up having two, but I wanted for my family had three, 135 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: And I think when you're used to that, your conditioned 136 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: to having a big family. Guys, we're talking about how 137 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: a picture perfect family ends up in the middle of 138 00:08:50,000 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: a double murder investigation. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. This 139 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: is what else we know about Betty. Private school, huge 140 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: award robe, beautiful home country club, went to college amount 141 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 1: Saint Vincent, meets Dan. He was beginning a senior year 142 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: they get married and settled down in Lahoya. Now joining 143 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: me is Jennifer Schenn, forensic pathologist, former San Diego Police 144 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: Department crime Lab director. What kind of area is Lahoya? 145 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: What is that? I mean New York City? You think 146 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: a tall high rises in Florida, you think of the 147 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: Sunshine State. What's Lahoya known for? Lahoya is known for 148 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: stunning homes on a stunning coastline. It is absolutely gorgeous 149 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: home there, huge and beautiful and high and they overlooks 150 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: the ocean and the beaches, and Lajoia itself is a 151 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: very beautiful little beach town. I mean it is high end, 152 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: very wealthy, exceptionally exceptionally beautiful place to live. And with 153 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: that is a big price tag. But of course, you 154 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: know when you look on the outs from the outside 155 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: looking in here they are with this mansion, the family, 156 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: the pool, the country club, the works. Why is it? 157 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: Why can't rich people be happy? I've never understood it. 158 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Dave mc crime online dot com. 159 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: Betty and Dan Broderick Mary. In April of nineteen sixty nine, 160 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: Dan Broderick completes his MD degree at Cornell University, then 161 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: enrolls at Harvard Law School. When he graduates, he's hired 162 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: by a law firm in San Diego, California, and the 163 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: family relocates to Lajoia, California. Betty Broderick continues to work 164 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: part time selling tupperwar or Avon ducks while raising four children. 165 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: In the fall of nineteen eighty two, Dan hires twenty 166 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: one year old former Delta Airlines flight attendant Linda Kolkena 167 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: as his legal assistant. Within a year, Betty Brodrick accuses 168 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: her husband of having an affair. He denies being involved 169 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: with his legal assistant, but the marriage broke down. Dan 170 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: Brodrick moves out of the home he shares with Betty 171 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: Brodrick and their children. In February of nineteen eighty five, Well, 172 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: there you go, there you go. You know what, doctor 173 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold. Here she is Betty selling tupperware in Avon 174 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: to put him. She helped him get through medical and 175 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: law school. She worked and paid the bills to get 176 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: him through school and had his babies tupperware. Can I 177 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: tell you a story, Dodor Angela. So my dad very 178 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: often was working the night trick and he would be gone, 179 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: so I'd get home from school, my sister and I 180 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: would get dinner going, and my mom would get home 181 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: from work, usually late, and it would be just about 182 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: that time when the doorbell would ring and it would 183 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: be missus Long, the Avon lady. She was a recent 184 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: widow and was on hard times. And my mom. Whatever 185 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: we were having, we would make another place at the table. 186 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: My sister, my brother, my mom, me and miss Long, 187 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: and I mean she she had the most beautiful face, 188 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: gray hair, short and we would all have dinner together. 189 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: At first, she'd always go, oh, no, no, no, I 190 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: just I just couldn't, but we'd talk her into it. 191 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: When I think, I've Betty selling Avon and Tupperware to 192 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: put the husband Dan through medical school, and then he 193 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: decided he was burned out. Then he want to go 194 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: to law school. Seriously, after eight years of med school 195 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: that she puts him through, then he wants to go 196 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: to law school. I'd say, you know, take a correspondence 197 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: class de year, go to work, but she puts him 198 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: through that has all these children, gets the house straight. 199 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: And then I mean, surprise me. Could it be anybody 200 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: other than your assistant just surprised me once? Or the 201 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: checkout girl at the G and C nutrition vitamin store. 202 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: I mean, so he has an affair with the assistant. 203 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: What is that for being grateful? Your wife has four children, 204 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: puts you through medical school and law school, and then 205 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: you sleep with the assistant Nancy. How do we know 206 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: he ever was grateful about anything that she had done 207 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: for him. I don't know that he was. He apparently 208 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: had a very high opinion of himself. There aren't There 209 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: aren't many people who go to that, you know, doctor Angela, 210 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: Doctor Angela, when I introduce you a psychiatrist, I expect 211 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: for you to at least throw some Latin terms at me, 212 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, say oh, he's a little too pleased 213 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: with himself. I mean, I can say that helped me out, Angela. 214 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: I mean, not very many people go to law school 215 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: and then decide that they need to go to go 216 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: to law Excuse me, not very many people go to 217 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: medical school and then decide they need to go to 218 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: law school to sue doctors. You know what, You're right, 219 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: that's the first time I thought of that, insight. So 220 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: he goes through eight years of medical school, then he decides, oh, 221 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: you know what to hblel with that I'm going to 222 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: sue all these guys I just went to college with. 223 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: Then Now, attorneys do not really like doctors. It's just 224 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: sort of typical across the board. You know, we're not 225 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: friends with each other, okay. And so it says a 226 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: lot about him that he went to medical school and 227 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: then decided and then figured out I could make a 228 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: lot more money suing these suckers than actually practicing medicine. 229 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: And I'm just going to have my wife support me 230 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: a little bit through more through that, and to me, 231 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm looking at a severe narcissist here. Well, the relationship 232 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: went even more sideways. An already contentious relationship between Dan 233 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: and Betty. It takes a new twist that November because 234 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: he the husband, threatens a criminal contempt charge against wife Betty, 235 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: who continues to leave LUs just say lewed messages on 236 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: his and Linda's answering machine. Oh did I leave out 237 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: the part where they get married? Take a listen to 238 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: our friends at Oxygen. Betty started dating a younger man, 239 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: Brad Wright, and Dan married his former paralegal, Linda Culkina. 240 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: On the surface, it looked like Betty and Dan had 241 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: both found new loves and They should have both been 242 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: happy with their lives, They should have been ready to 243 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: move on, but everything comes crashing down. On the morning 244 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: of November fifth, nineteen eighty nine, we're responding to the 245 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: call on a house on Cyprus Way. The caller Brad Wright, 246 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: tells the dispatcher that the home in question belongs to 247 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: prominent attorney Dan Brodrick and his new wife, Linda, and 248 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: the couple needs help fast. Officer Dominic Valleiley is the 249 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: first to arrive. I speak to the gentleman out front 250 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: and he tells me he's been inside and he found 251 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: what he believes is two dead bodies up in the 252 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: master bedroom and they booked been shot in the bedroom. 253 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: There were two bodies, a female and a male. The 254 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: two victims at the scene were Dan and Linda Broadrick. 255 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: I checked for signs of life and their book ceased. 256 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: The female was laying face down with an obvious gunshot 257 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: boom to the back of her head. The male was 258 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: kind of half underneath the bed had a gunshot wounded 259 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: with chat. Guys, you're hearing our friends at Oxygen describing 260 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: the crime scene at the home of Dan Broderick and 261 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: his brand new wife Linda Broderick straight back out to 262 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: Ray Caputo joining us from w DBO. These two are 263 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: dead in the home. But that was the culmination of many, 264 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: many months of anger and animosity between Dan, the new 265 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: wife Linda, and the ex. Betty described to me what 266 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: happened in the preceding months. Oh, Nancy, any months, you 267 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: can even see. It starts with the phone calls, you know, 268 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: and these are really vile phone calls. She's calling Dan 269 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: every name in the book. And one of them that 270 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: really struck me was a phone call that was recorded 271 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: that came out between Betty and her eleven year old son, 272 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: where she's having this open conversation that you should not 273 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: have a little eleven year old saying all kinds of 274 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: viable things about the kid's dad. The kid's pleased with 275 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: her to stop saying bad things, and I mean, she 276 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: come down and straight up side. You know. I wish 277 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: her dad was dad. I wish Whenda that drunken drove 278 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: off a cliff. And I hold on just a moment, 279 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: the language that was used in front of their children 280 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: that they had together. Take a listen to this, and 281 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: you're only on getting anything you hear start saying bad 282 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: words I'm never has to say that word before before years. Okay, 283 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: you said it five times, but it's not gonna do 284 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: any good. To keep on saying bad words, She's gonna 285 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: make it a lot worse. Somebody called up bad head, 286 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: hurt up the phone, and he parted it was I 287 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: wont it, I don't know her. I card because you 288 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: keep on calling you bad words, and it's just gonna 289 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: make you a lot lot worse. And you won't stop 290 00:18:53,400 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: who you yet you hear your money. It's absolutely should around. 291 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: There's nothing to do anything. Being bad for two years 292 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: is enough. No one time stories with Nancy Grace Can. 293 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: You're only on getting anything. You're sa saying bad words. 294 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: I'm never going to say bad words before. I sat 295 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: for four years. Okay, you said it five times, but 296 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: it's not gonna do any good. To keep on saying 297 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: bad words. She's gonna make it a lot worse. Somebody 298 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: called up dad would say it hurt up the phone. 299 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: He started, wasn't, I wasn't. I don't know. Somebody called okay, 300 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: I called up head because he I mean on, you 301 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: keep on calling it bad words and it's just gonna 302 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: make you live love verse any who you. Yeah, you 303 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: hear it's around. There's nothing doing being mad for two 304 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: years and enough of the one Oh gosh, doctor Angela 305 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: Arnold psychiatrists joining me out of Atlanta. You hear the 306 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: little boy begging with the mom and as you hear 307 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: how many bleeps we had to bleep with the curse 308 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: words that she was calling her husband and he may 309 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: well deserve them for all I know. But this is 310 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: a little boy. He sounds like between age five and nine, 311 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: begging with the mom. And did you hear what he says? Mommy, 312 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: you won't stop until you get your share of the money. 313 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: Don't you think being mad for two years is enough? 314 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: So those children were exposed to an awful lot and 315 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: all of this weren't there. But you know, Nancy, it's 316 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: been my experience that they are one. You can go 317 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: one or two ways in a marriage like this. You 318 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: can fight like Betty Broderick good, or you can become 319 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: very complacent and silent as the wife and accept all 320 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: of this that has heaped on you until you know, 321 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: until the next step happens, which is typically the man 322 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: leaving you. She she was in a very bad position. 323 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: I am not going to say that she did anything. Right. 324 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: Of course, it's not right to say these things about 325 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: in front of children, but it does show the level 326 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: of chaos and the level of and and what a 327 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: horrific place this marriage had come to, doesn't it well? 328 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,479 Speaker 1: To me? It seems like there should be some sort 329 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: of no matter how much anim there is between you 330 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: and your husband, to have your son beg you to 331 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: stop acting so angry and using bad language about the death. 332 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: Of course, it also sounds like the dad has fed 333 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: the little boy because you know, thoughts, because the boy 334 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: is saying, you're just doing this because you're not getting 335 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: your share of the money. Now where did he get that? 336 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: He had to get that from the dad, right, So 337 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: the children are used to being used as pawns by 338 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: both of the parents, and what does that do to 339 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: a child? They'll never be right, will they? Those poor children? 340 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: How you just to be able to depend on your 341 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: parents first and foremost on your family, and then on 342 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: your parents to give you a sense of safety in life, 343 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: and that safety helps you develop your self esteem and 344 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: who you become. So this has been totally ripped out 345 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: from one of these children's feat when you when you 346 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: grow up in that and you're exposed to that as 347 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: a child. What does it do to you the child? 348 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: As you grow up and you start having relationships, maybe 349 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: your marriage, Well they never have Those children never have 350 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: a sense of a sense of calm, or a sense 351 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: of completeness or or what. People are not going to 352 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: be able to lean on them. They don't feel a 353 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: sense of security. Their sense of security has been robbed. 354 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: I mean, isn't it true, doctor Angela, that when you 355 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: grow up you seek out the same environment that you 356 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: had growing up when you're an adult, that's what you're 357 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 1: looking for, whether you realize it or not, that's exactly right, 358 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: because it's because it's so internalized. It's internalized from from 359 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: the time you're very young. So what else can you 360 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: look for? You think that's what a family that, that's 361 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: what the family structures made up, don't you if that's 362 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: all you've ever seen. Well, this little boy whose voice 363 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: you just heard in audio recordings begging mommy not to 364 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: be so angry, well he was right. Take a listen 365 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: to our France at Oxygen snapped. Based on the position 366 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: of the bodies, authorities tried to piece together what happened. 367 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: The first shots were fired as the police understand it 368 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: into Linda Broderick. He was clear that Dan obviously heard 369 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: the shots, so he started rolling off the bed. Dan 370 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: was shot through the lump through the back. There were 371 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: two bullets in Linda. There's one bullet in Dan. There's 372 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: one bullet in the wall behind them, there's one bullet 373 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: in the nights and next to them. It's a total 374 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: of five shots. And since no shell casings have been 375 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: left behind, investigators believe the murder weapon was likely a revolver. 376 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: The caliber weapon used to murder Dan window was a 377 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: thirty eight tower. Aside from the two bodies, authorities find 378 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: only one other disturbance in the bedroom. We found some 379 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: ripped wires from the wall colorphone line, and I walked 380 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: in the hallway and there was the telephone that looked 381 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: like it had been taken from the nightstand and out 382 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: of Dan Roddick's reach. This person ripped the phone out 383 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: of the wall, took it out into the hallway and 384 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: dropped it. That would have obviously prevented him from calling 385 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: for help. So what we see is not only what 386 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: appears to be a rage shooting, but a certain amount 387 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: of planning. Because the phone is ripped out of the wall, 388 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: so the murder victims can't possibly call for help. Crime 389 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace, we are talking about a marriage 390 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: that blows up into double murder. Take a listen to 391 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: our friends at Oxygen. Everything comes crashing down on the 392 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: morning of November fifth, nineteen eighty nine, when Dan and 393 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: Linda are found shot to death in the bedroom of 394 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: their Hillcrest mansion. Linda was shot in the chest and 395 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: in the back of the head. There's no question the 396 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: head wounds are instant. You get shot in the head, 397 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: you're pretty much gone. The same can't be said for Dan, 398 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: who suffered a single gunshot wound to his chest. He 399 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: noticed there was whitecroth coming out of the wound, and 400 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: if you get shot in the lung, you don't die 401 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: right away. Basically, you believed to death and the blocks 402 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 1: your heir. He was alive. The medical examiner estimating their 403 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: own twenty minutes. You are hearing about the shooting deaths 404 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: of Dan Broderick and his new wife, Linda Broderick. The 405 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: way that they were shot in bed, lying there most 406 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: likely asleep, that the new wife was shot first, that 407 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: there were multiple gunshot rooms, gunshot all around the room, 408 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: and that the phone had been ripped out of the wall. 409 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: To Jeff Cortesi, former special agent with the FBI, what 410 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: does that tell you about the mindset of the killer? 411 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: There was a lot of passion, is what that would 412 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: tell me. You know, five shots fired, three if the 413 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: targets intended targets to missed, relatively close proximity, um, you know, 414 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: would suggest a certain amount of passion behind those those firings. 415 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: I mean, there probably wasn't a lot of movement. It was, 416 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: like I said, close proximity shooting the wife first. You know, 417 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: all all point to a pretty impassioned effort. Guys, take 418 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: a listen to this. No matter what else she wants 419 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: to say to you now about what happened in that 420 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: room that morning and what and why her reactions were 421 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: what they were, the cold hard facts of what actually 422 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: happened in the room are indisputable. There is no getting 423 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: around them. And there is no getting around the fact 424 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: that that first shot into Linda was right through her 425 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: chest as she lay flat on her back in her bed. 426 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: If she had time to react at all to the 427 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: defendant being in there pointing a gun at her, She's 428 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: sure as heck didn't have much. She was still lying 429 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: there in the bed. She didn't have time to sit up, 430 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: she didn't have time to dive off the bed. She 431 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: didn't have time to do anything to protect herself. That 432 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: gun was pointed at her heart, the trigger was pulled 433 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: when it was pointed at her heart, and she could 434 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: do nothing to protect her life. There is no getting 435 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: around the fact that the defendant had to then change 436 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: her aim, to change her direction of pointing that gun 437 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: in order to shoot Dan Broderick in the back. Veteran 438 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: defense attorney at attorney with Butler Snow representing multiple municipalities, 439 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: Jim Elliott, Do you hear what the lawyer is maneuvering 440 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: right there? The time it took between the shootings for 441 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: her to change positions and then shoot her husband, that 442 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: goes to premeditation. That she had time to put the 443 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: gun down, call it all off, and leave, but she didn't. 444 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: That's right, I mean, that's that's what the that's what 445 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: the focus was on was the degree of murder. This 446 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: would be construed as by the jury by the court 447 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: premeditation or intention being would take it to the first 448 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: degree and is understand California law, second degree murderer indicates 449 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: no premeditation or intentional That so, premeditation under the law 450 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: can be formed in the twinkling of an eye. It 451 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: can be formed in an instant. The time it takes 452 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: you to pull a gun up and pull the trigger. 453 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: That's how quickly premeditation can be formed. And you hear 454 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: the lawyer describing how Betty Broderick shoots the New Life 455 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: as she's asleep in bed, then pivots, moves positions and 456 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: goes after her husband. Under the law, that is time 457 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: for premeditation to form. Premeditation equals murder. One listen to this. 458 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: And she tried the front door, but it wouldn't work, 459 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: so she went around to the back door with the key. 460 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: Did she tell you whether or not the key worked 461 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: in the back door? Yes, she said that it worked. 462 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: She went into the house and up the stairs and 463 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: around the TV room. Now that would bring her into 464 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: the back entrance way into your dad's bedroom. Is that correcting? Yes? 465 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: And did she tell you what she did in excellent 466 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: She said she shot the gun one time, but it 467 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: fired five or six times. She told me that she 468 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: didn't know what had happened because the drapes were drawn 469 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: and was completely dark. I was asking her if she 470 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: had heard anyone, if there's any screens or blood or 471 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: anything like that, and she told me that she didn't 472 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: think that she had hurt my dad because he had 473 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: sat up and said, um, all right, you shot me undead? 474 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: Okay obviously to you Ray Kaputo, a lead anchor to 475 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: w DBO. She has now gone to her daughter and 476 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: told the daughter that she shot her husband, and I 477 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: think she left him alive, of course, pulling out the 478 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: phone so he couldn't call for help. But why would 479 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: you go to your daughter in detail the murderer of 480 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: the stepmother and the husband? Why? I mean, did I 481 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: get that correct? Isn't that the daughter speaking? Yeah, Nancy, 482 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: this is a pattern of behavior with Betty, that she 483 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: is interjecting her child, her children, into the middle of 484 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: adult problem. So we talked about the phone with the son. 485 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: This is par for the course for Betty to see 486 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: things like this to her kids. And I think I 487 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: think she might be hoping is that she is communicating 488 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: through the children back to the husband. But clearly it's 489 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: not working well and it's franchise with the kids. Guys, 490 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen. Is this a surprise? 491 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: Did we not see this coming? Take a listen to 492 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: San Diego News eight reporter and Maryanne Kushi. Another emotional 493 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: day of testimony from the eldest of the four Brodrick children. 494 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: Twenty year old Kim tells our mother harbored intense anger 495 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: toward her father for years, even before the couple was divorced. 496 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: Kim testified, our mother Betty once grabbed Daniel Brodrick's clothes 497 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: from the closet and threw them out to burn the garage, 498 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: and he grabbed Kim. Gasolene imported all over all, and 499 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: it was a huge pile of things. And I was 500 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: underwhear stipend other tours of the balcony as well. And 501 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: then she lived with Gasolene. And then she got by 502 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: Paine imported over others. But the accounts of rage and 503 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: fury didn't stop there. Kim said. Her mother once mere 504 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 1: cake on her father's bed and scrawled obscenities with lipstick 505 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: on the mirror in his house. At another time, when 506 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: Betty drove into the front of his Marston Hills home, 507 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: the car came through the house, not through the house. 508 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: It hit the door and it sounded like a chainsaw, 509 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: and I ran out the back door. When you look 510 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: at their history, burning Dan brought her his clothing in 511 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: the front yard, scrawling curse words in the mirror of 512 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: his new home, crashing her car through the couple's home. 513 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Jim Elliott. I'm surprised she wasn't put in 514 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: jail for that, driving your car through the couple's home. 515 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: But she wasn't. She was out able to murder her 516 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: ex husband and his new wife as they lay in 517 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: bed asleep. Any of warning signs, he certainly would have 518 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: thought like some intervention at some point by law enforcement, 519 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 1: Robot whomever else would have perhaps not lead to the escalation. 520 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: Ah Man, guys, take a listen now to what happened 521 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: in court. With the jury and the above and title costs, 522 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: Find a defendant Elizabeth N. Broderick guilty of the crime 523 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 1: of murder violation of Pino Code Section one eighty seven 524 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: parent a a felony as charge account one of the 525 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: information and fix the degree thereof as murder in the 526 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: second degree victim Daniel Broderick, With a jury and above 527 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 1: and title costs, Find a defendant Elizabeth M. Brodrick guilty 528 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 1: of the crime of murder and violation Apino Code Section 529 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: one eighty seven parent a a felony as charged, account 530 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: to the information and fix the degree thereof as murder 531 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: in the second degree. Victim Linda Broderick Jay Computo, Lead 532 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: news anchor Wdbo. Where is Betty Broderick today, Nancy, She's 533 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: in prison where a lot of people think she belonged. 534 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: She was up for a parole hearing about thirty years 535 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: ago in twenty seventeen, and you did get Spending all 536 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: that time in jail would have caused Betty to be 537 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more repentant. But in her hearing, it 538 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: was a lot of the same old stuff that we 539 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: were hearing. Her claiming she was a victim and that 540 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: she killed Dan in self defense after years of abuse. 541 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: But her own kids didn't even agree with her. And 542 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: her own kids, two of her four children testified against 543 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: her and parold her, saying that she needs to stay 544 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: in jail for the rest of her life. Betty Broderick 545 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: coming back up for parole. Hopefully she'll stay behind bars. 546 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye friend.