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Speaker 4: I'm Matt Moore, senior writer for the Action Network.

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Speaker 5: Joining me at Raheem Palmer and Brandon Anderson, and today

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Speaker 5: let's get started with this. Here's the deal. So win

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Speaker 5: totals are on the board. Division odds make the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: Futures of any sort that are not player related, any

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Speaker 5: team oriented future is on the board. Rahiem, you have

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Speaker 5: the first pick.

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Speaker 4: Where you're going.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna go with the Orlando Magic under thirty

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Speaker 2: two wins. When you look at the East this year,

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Speaker 2: it's it's a monster.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: You got teams like the Nets are gonna get better

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Speaker 2: with KD and Kyrie. You got the Hawks, they're gonna

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Speaker 2: get better. They're they're on a playoff push. You got

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Speaker 2: the Wizards, they're gonna get get better with Russell Westbrook.

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Speaker 2: And of course the Hawks and Wizards are on the

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Speaker 2: same division. You look at the Orlando Magic, they don't

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Speaker 2: have Jonathan Isaac torn acl they lost DJ Augustin, so

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Speaker 2: they're basically replacing DJ Augustine with Markel Faults and Cole Anthony.

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Speaker 2: I just think this this team takes a step back.

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Speaker 2: They're not as good defensively, they're not great offensively. Under

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Speaker 2: thirty two wins that that should be easy win in

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Speaker 2: a tough Eastern Conference, I'm not.

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Speaker 5: With you on this, So I went to say this

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Speaker 5: for a win totals piece which is on Action this week,

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Speaker 5: and what it basically comes down to is they have Nikolaevich.

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Speaker 5: They have a really good coach of Steve Clifford. The

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Speaker 5: East is garbage. They might be worse, but they're still

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Speaker 5: only going to be as like either they fall. They're

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Speaker 5: still as good as the other East teams that are

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Speaker 5: of those are gonna wind up be in coin flips.

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Speaker 5: I don't feel like they're gonna drop off that much.

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Speaker 5: I feel like you're still in line to be able

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Speaker 5: to be at least a little competitive in the Eastern Conference,

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Speaker 5: like continues to be underrated, and Clifford is a really

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Speaker 4: And they have some young talent. Plus they might trade

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Speaker 4: Aaron Gordon for like a good package of players too.

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Speaker 4: I'm not with you on this.

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Speaker 2: I mean we're gonna say. I just I just think

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Speaker 2: that the East is gonna be so much better. Like

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Speaker 2: to me, I think the Hawks are gonna be a

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Speaker 2: lot better. I mean, defensively theyre not great, but the

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Speaker 2: offense is gonna be better. I see, We're just gonna

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Speaker 2: be a lot better because they're basically getting a free

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Speaker 3: I don't know, just yeah, it's better.

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Speaker 4: Better, It is better.

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Speaker 3: I'm over on magic wins and under on magic games.

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Speaker 3: I want to watch this season.

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Speaker 4: That's a good way to put it. Brandon, You've got

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Speaker 4: next pick. What do you like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm staying in the division and I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: go against him on this because I'm taking I got

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Speaker 3: to jump in before Matt grabs it. I'm going under

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Speaker 3: Atlanta thirty five and a half wins. I like what

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Speaker 3: the Hawks did. I thought I was going to be

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Speaker 3: I project them at twenty nine wins, which is a

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Speaker 3: long ways off from the number here. I have them

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Speaker 3: as the East eleven or twelve seed, so I think

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Speaker 3: I would also think about playing them to miss the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: which is about even odds right now. Even if they

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Speaker 3: get in the playing game, I think Trey is not

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Speaker 3: gonna win that first play in game, his first playoff experience.

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Speaker 3: They did improve the team a lot. The starting lineup

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Speaker 3: should be a lot better. By names, Gallinari's good, Bandanovich

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Speaker 3: Capella will play Capella will play great, great, but he's

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Speaker 3: not going to defend everything. It's the defense is going

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Speaker 3: to be terrible. It's just gonna be awful. I think

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Speaker 3: the offense will be better, but the offense was still

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be better, it's not gonna be good enough.

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Speaker 3: I think they're clearly ahead of only Charlotte, New York

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Speaker 3: to hit the over. They play a five hundred ball,

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Speaker 3: So I'm going under.

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Speaker 5: So I'm taking this one off my board. You are

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Speaker 5: right that I was going to grab it. But what

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Speaker 5: I was gonna grab it at is you can get

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Speaker 5: so you actually wind up you can get a plus

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Speaker 5: number on them to miss the playoffs is at William Ale.

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Speaker 4: It's plus one oh five.

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Speaker 5: Love that number, Love love that number. I'm a branded

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Speaker 5: on this one. Like their defense is still gonna be garbage.

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Speaker 5: We haven't seen Trey play winning basketball. This reeks reeks

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Speaker 5: of ownership is like, all right, let's get some playoff

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Speaker 5: revenuetor let's let's win. Now I want some money back.

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Speaker 5: And then the Hawks were like, oh, no one wants

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Speaker 5: to play for us. Oh no, oh but but Gallo.

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Speaker 4: Sure that's an upgrade. We'll get to Elwen Agdanovich. They

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Speaker 5: Like I like their edition of Chris Dunn more than

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Speaker 4: When You're a big thing in my mind was that

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Speaker 5: Think be over there all right my first pick though,

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Speaker 5: I will go ahead. I'm going top of the board

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Speaker 5: and I'm grabbing the Los Angeles Lakers plus two seventy

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Speaker 5: five at William Hill to win the NBA title. I

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Speaker 5: did this for a piece last year after they won

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Speaker 5: the Western Conference Finals.

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Speaker 4: If you just bet on.

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Speaker 5: The Lakers every single year since two thousand, you would

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Speaker 5: be profitable. If you just bet on the Lakers to

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Speaker 5: since two thousand and you be up a not insignificant

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Speaker 5: sum of money that obviously gets way higher if you

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Speaker 5: take them out every single year that they're actually in contention.

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Speaker 5: If you remove that five year period where they were

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Speaker 4: The league, that number goes way way up.

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Speaker 5: I understand this seems like a obvious kind of thing

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Speaker 5: it's not just what we saw last year. It's not

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Speaker 5: just the continuity. It's not just Lebron's drive, him being

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Speaker 5: He begets the six with the finals appearances, if he

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Speaker 5: the argument for him against Jordan is going to be

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Speaker 5: very difficult to make. Like it's gonna be very difficult

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Speaker 4: So I think he's driven.

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Speaker 5: They'll play better together, him and Anthony Davis because they've

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Speaker 5: got more time together. Frank Vogel's proven that they can

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Speaker 5: build a defensive system. They've improved in all matters. But

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Speaker 5: the bigger thing is just this man like I just

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Speaker 5: at NBA. But the narrative the NBA is the only

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Speaker 5: should bet it. The narrative in the NBA is that

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Speaker 5: the Lakers, the most dominant franchise, is the most popular franchise,

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Speaker 5: is the one franchise that matters.

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Speaker 4: I'm getting plus two seventy five.

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Speaker 5: I might get a better number on this during the season,

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Speaker 5: and I'll buy it then too, But at two seventy five,

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Speaker 5: I'm more than happy to grab the Lakers here thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah today, Yeah, that's the only reason I wouldn't play.

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Speaker 3: That is what you just said near the end there.

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Speaker 3: I am leaning under on the Lakers. I just feel

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Speaker 3: like Lebron went all out last year. He wanted that

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Speaker 3: other MVP. He gave it everything and didn't get it,

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Speaker 3: and I think he's done. And I just think the

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Speaker 3: regular season Lakers are not going to look good at times.

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Speaker 3: I think that they don't really care that there's no

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Speaker 3: real home courtiny to play for. They've got Truder and

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Speaker 3: Harrold are gonna play a lot of minutes, but I

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Speaker 3: think they're playing minutes that like Harold's gonna play minutes.

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Speaker 3: I think that would have been Lebron and Davis. So

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Speaker 3: I don't know that that makes them better right now

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs, it's Lebron and Davis. They've got ostensibly

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Speaker 3: the last two players, the best player in the court

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Speaker 3: any given night, I get it. I just think that

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Speaker 3: they're once the Lakers lose some games that they shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: I think that there will be a better number out there.

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Speaker 3: But I like to play.

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Speaker 2: I like to play, I personally like to play. I

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Speaker 2: think the only real competition for them is obviously the Clippers.

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Speaker 2: My biggest thing is I'm not really a big fan

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Speaker 2: later or hedge, Like there's no real way to really

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Speaker 2: hedge a plus two seventy five, so I find it

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Speaker 2: if I'm playing something that low, I'd rather play series

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Speaker 2: by series. But besides that, I do think the Lakers

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Speaker 2: are the claim of the crop. You're probably gonna win

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Speaker 2: a championship.

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Speaker 5: So I can't mean my play is basically to build

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Speaker 5: a role on them, like I'm just gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: look for fort spots where the value is there and

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Speaker 5: continuously buy in on them. I'm basically treating them as

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Speaker 5: a commodity that I'm just getting more and more in on.

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Speaker 5: And I want to go ahead and start at plus

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Speaker 5: two seventy five in case that by the time the

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Speaker 5: playoffs roll around, like if they if they don't, if

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Speaker 5: Lebron doesn't rest and they go all out and they're

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Speaker 4: Then so I get another pick.

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Speaker 5: I get another pick, and so with my second selection,

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Speaker 5: I'm going Celtics to win the Eastern Conference. I can't

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Speaker 4: I don't want to hear it. Heat fans don't want

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Speaker 5: I have still had zero explanation for how the Celtics

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Speaker 5: hierarchy for Jason Tatum to continue going off. I'm a

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Speaker 4: I'm going in that direction.

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Speaker 2: First things first, I gotta push it back on that

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Speaker 2: I just think Miami was the better team. The Celtics

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Speaker 2: in order for them to win eat Like, somebody's got

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm afraid of Kemba too. The thirty year old

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Speaker 3: I don't hate it, but I'm out of the Celtics

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Speaker 3: I'm going with Portland here. I like Portland. I'm just

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Speaker 3: really good, consistent, quality team. I think people are falling

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Speaker 3: How much better can they be than that? Last year

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Speaker 3: they made the Western Conference Finals, and that was when

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Speaker 3: they had Nurkic and last year they were missing Nurkic

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Speaker 3: McCollum. They get Nurkic back, we'll see, you know, we'll

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Speaker 3: see what he looks like. He looked a lot better

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Speaker 3: But to get Covington in there, Derek Jones, Zach Collins

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Speaker 3: bit better position. To succeed this year. The defense still

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Speaker 3: I just think that this is a team. You know,

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Speaker 3: they're gonna play hard every night. It's well coached with statts.

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Speaker 3: I think in a season when not many teams will

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Speaker 3: If they get there, he's going to be in play.

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Speaker 3: I'll be looking at them in the division. Their plus

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Speaker 3: I think that they're a definite playoff team. And I'm

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Speaker 5: Okay, I'll go ahead and do this as a resident

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Speaker 4: As a franchise love Dame.

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Speaker 5: I don't understand how anyone gets to this point with

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Speaker 5: We're saying that they're a forty six win team they

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Speaker 5: finished with thirty nine wins. Okay, Nurkic would have improved them.

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Speaker 5: Last year was worse than they're actual, like they should

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Speaker 5: I love adding Robert Covington, I like adding Derek Jones Junior.

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Speaker 5: I don't understand any sort of reason to think that

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Speaker 5: in order to cross into forty eight forty nine wins. Like,

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Speaker 5: there's the The numbers are suggesting that this team is

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Speaker 3: How so my point to that would be so Portland

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Speaker 3: last year played at a thirty eight point eight win

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Speaker 3: need a huge leap. The year before they won fifty three,

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Speaker 3: they won forty nine before that. That's the team I'm

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Speaker 3: looking at here because last to me, last season is

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Speaker 3: had horrible shooting numbers all year, even worse than usual.

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Speaker 3: I think comparing it just to improving last year is

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Speaker 3: this is in line with where they would end up again.

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Speaker 4: They did get.

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Speaker 5: Eni's cannerback, so I guess that's your belief is they

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Speaker 4: All right? Radiem who's your third or second pick?

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Speaker 2: Okay? I can't believe that this line is this low.

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Speaker 2: We got Luka danskis in his third season. I'm going

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Speaker 2: with the Mavericks over forty one and nine. Okay from me,

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Speaker 2: you got to understand they finished forty three and thirty two,

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Speaker 2: but they had expected record of forty nine and twenty six.

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Speaker 2: I mean this team was seventy and twenty four in

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Speaker 2: They got to return to Dwight Pole. This team is

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Speaker 2: going to be much better defensively. They were eighteen in defense.

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Speaker 2: They gave him one hundred and eleven points per one

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Speaker 2: hundred per sessions last year. I mean this team, to me,

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Speaker 2: they should make the league. Luca in year three, he

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Speaker 2: is a chance to win the MVP. First of all,

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Speaker 2: he's top in MVP odds. So why is this only

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Speaker 2: forty one and a half wins? To me, I think

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Speaker 2: a lot better in close games. I'm taking it over.

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Speaker 3: I agree with everything I'm in. I'm Dallas. I have

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Speaker 3: them contending as a top three seed. The only reason

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Speaker 3: I'm not taking the over is because if I'm in

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Speaker 3: for MVP instead because I'm getting much better odds for

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Speaker 3: money at that price. MVP's come from top three seeds.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: The one thing I have to push back on that

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Speaker 2: then also I think you're you're dependent on voters and

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Speaker 2: you're dependent on narrative as opposed to results. So for me,

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Speaker 2: I'm a big I'm a big fan of taking both,

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Speaker 3: The narrative argument that I agree with, But the narrative

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Speaker 3: it's Giannis and Luca and everyone else like Giannis is

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Speaker 3: the MVP. Yes, he's he's the best player, he's on

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Speaker 3: best player, he's the MVP. But no one wants to

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Speaker 3: rower he spend the entire season trying to find anybody

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Speaker 3: that will be enough. So I think that that narrative

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Speaker 3: is in his favor, not against him. That's true.

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Speaker 2: And then there's no Chris Straps, so that does build

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Speaker 2: could bet both. I don't see the best version the

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Speaker 4: All right, you another pick?

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Speaker 2: I'm going I'm going with the Philadelphia seventy six ers.

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Speaker 2: You guys know I'm from Philly, but I try not

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Speaker 2: not a big fan of Glenn Rivers. I'm gotter call

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Speaker 2: slump in the bubble, he was a plus sixteen on

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Speaker 2: off rating in the playoffs last year. I think this

435
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Speaker 2: team is gonna be so much better. I'm taking the

436
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Speaker 2: Sixers at plus three ninety to win the Atlantic Division,

437
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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna sprinkle a little bit on them to

438
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Speaker 2: win the East, and sprinkle a little bit on them

439
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Speaker 2: to win a championship at plus twenty four hundred.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was tweaking about this today. I don't get

441
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Speaker 5: it from a number of perspectives. A lot of it

442
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Speaker 5: is just like I'm just not as high on Seth

443
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Speaker 5: Curry as I think everyone else is.

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Speaker 4: Which makes sense because everybody basically sees a Curry in

445
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Speaker 4: the name and goes bonkers.

446
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Speaker 5: A lot of it for me just comes down to

447
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 5: I did a deep dive on them last year before

448
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Speaker 5: the bubble, and I just wound up coming away with

449
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Speaker 5: a couple of really big conclusions. One is that Ben

450
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Speaker 5: Simmons is critically underrated, that he's incredible. I thought he

451
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Speaker 5: was Defensive Player of the Year. I think if you

452
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Speaker 5: build shooters around him that you're going to have a

453
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Speaker 5: team that is very similar to Milwaukee with Yiannis, And

454
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Speaker 5: if you made a few tweaks to it might be

455
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Speaker 5: better just because of what Simmons is able to do.

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Speaker 5: He's just insane and Joelle and b maybe the most

457
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Speaker 5: overrated player of the NBA. Like he just legitimately maybe

458
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Speaker 5: the most.

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Speaker 4: Overrated player of the NBA six.

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Speaker 5: Six six before the league suspension. Sixth in total mid

461
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Speaker 5: range field goals attempted. That's Joelle Embiid. Why why I

462
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Speaker 5: don't care what the spacing is.

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Speaker 4: I don't care.

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Speaker 5: I don't care what the spacing is. Why are you

465
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Speaker 5: taking those shots? It'd be one thing if you're shooting

466
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Speaker 5: forty five percent of the he's not. He had the

467
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Speaker 5: worst percentage of anybody in the top ten. It's incredible

468
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 5: how bad his shots selection tends to be. He can't

469
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Speaker 5: handle a double team. He doesn't show every year we're

470
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Speaker 5: hearing about, like like what if an MBAT shows up

471
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 5: to camp in shape, doesn't do it? That never happens.

472
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Speaker 5: Like he just wants to dunk on people on Instagram

473
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Speaker 5: until that dude puts together a season to convince me

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Speaker 5: I am not going in on them. I get the upgrades,

475
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Speaker 5: I get the idea of spacing. I understand, like I

476
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Speaker 5: love Maury, but part of this is Doc is like

477
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Speaker 5: Doc's even more set against analytics than he used to

478
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Speaker 5: be right, and like, if he's more set against it,

479
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 5: even if Moury makes the kind of move to augment

480
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Speaker 5: the roster, how do we know that they're gonna get there?

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Speaker 4: Plus, I love Danny Green.

482
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Speaker 5: Danny Green was my favorite interview on the Finals teams

483
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Speaker 5: I covered with san Antonio. He's an incredible story. He's

484
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Speaker 5: a great dude. I've loved his career. He's had huge shots.

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Speaker 3: Dude.

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Speaker 4: Theyse a call him icy hot and Santonio for a reason.

487
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Speaker 5: He goes cold and his defense isn't what he used

488
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Speaker 5: to because he's thirty three years old.

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Speaker 4: The impact is just not there for me. I cannot

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Speaker 4: go with you. I get it, I just can't.

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Speaker 2: The one thing I got to push back on this,

492
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Speaker 2: I know Jimmy Butler's not there anymore, but the Sixers were.

493
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 2: They were literally ten minutes away, Like if they had

494
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: a backup center for MB and that series against the Raptors.

495
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: They win that series, they had nobody to back up MB,

496
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Speaker 2: Like those Greg Monroe minutes were just that bad that

497
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 2: Embiid's impact was just null five. I think Dwight Howard

498
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Speaker 2: is He's a suitable backup for MB. I think Daryl

499
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Speaker 2: Murray has done such a great job already of getting

500
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Speaker 2: that team together. I think I think they make the leap.

501
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 2: I think Ben Simmons and MBI there's been reports to

502
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Speaker 2: them actually living together. I think they developed some chemistry.

503
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Speaker 2: I think you have shooting around them for the first

504
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Speaker 2: time in a couple of years. To me, I think

505
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Speaker 2: at plus three ninety to win a division, I love it.

506
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Speaker 2: Kimbus Hurt, the nets are you know they're working Durant

507
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Speaker 2: and Kyrie that I love it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we'll find out. We'll find out. I'm open to

509
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Speaker 4: Bean wrong on this one. All right, Brandon Europe up

510
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Speaker 4: on your third pick.

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Speaker 3: I just want to add to that. I'm with man.

512
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Speaker 3: I'm the Philly thing. I have a Philly tax on

513
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 3: every season now. I just I get it. Everything makes sense,

514
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 3: but until I actually see it, I just can't anymore.

515
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: I just got to see it. My league pass rankings,

516
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Speaker 3: my bets, it's show it short, It's time, all right.

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Speaker 3: I'm going with Indiana. Indiana is boring. They are the

518
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Speaker 3: same thing they are every year, and the thing they

519
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Speaker 3: are every year is that they win a bunch of games.

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Speaker 3: And I'm taking Indiana over thirty eight and a half.

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Speaker 3: That puts them at a forty four win pace over

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Speaker 3: a whole season. I've got them projected at forty three,

523
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Speaker 3: so that puts them like four and a half games ahead.

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Speaker 3: I did come back down a little bit on them

525
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Speaker 3: with the TGA Warren news, the Planner fasciatus thing. I

526
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 3: hope that doesn't stick into the season too long. But

527
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Speaker 3: over the last three years they were at a fifty

528
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Speaker 3: one win pace. Last year forty eight the two years

529
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: before that. Nate Bjorkrin. Maybe some Nick Nurse potential there

530
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 3: if you get, you know, unlock a few things. Warren

531
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Speaker 3: took a step up. We saw Oladipo didn't do much

532
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 3: last year, so there's upside there if he stays healthy,

533
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: looks good again. Malcolm Brogden looked awesome early and then

534
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 3: stunk and they still won all those games and he

535
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 3: was playing through injuries. I think the floor is very

536
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 3: high on the team. And I think that there's actually

537
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Speaker 3: an underrated ceiling. I wouldn't be shocked to see. To me,

538
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Speaker 3: I've got Milwaukee at the top of the East, and

539
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Speaker 3: then I've got five teams fighting from there. I think Indiana,

540
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Speaker 3: if they stay healthy, could be the team that comes

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Speaker 3: in at a two or three seed, just in a

542
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Speaker 3: close cluster there. And I'm even sprinkled a tiny bit

543
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Speaker 3: plus twelve hundred to win the Central. Not because I

544
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Speaker 3: think they can beat Milwaukee. They're not going to, but

545
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Speaker 3: it's the pandemic season. What happens if Joannis Missus three

546
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 3: weeks or something, no one else is winning that division,

547
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Speaker 3: it's if it's not If it's not them, it's Indiana

548
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Speaker 3: and a plus twelve hundred, that's pretty good odds just

549
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Speaker 3: in case. So I'm on the Pacers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that one a lot. I like that

551
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Speaker 4: one a lot.

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Speaker 5: That's in my piece too, that there's just enough reasons

553
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Speaker 5: to look at the market underrating them and think that

554
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 5: you're getting a good I think you're getting good value

555
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Speaker 5: there on the number based off of where they're at.

556
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Speaker 5: The only real question mark as a coach, right, we

557
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 5: just don't know what he's gonna be like, we just

558
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 5: don't know. The old depot thing I think is a

559
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 5: little bit unstable. But I wind up just looking at

560
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 5: that roster and being like, if they shoot more threes

561
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Speaker 5: at all, they're just gonna quietly rack up wins, like

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Speaker 5: you said. So I'm with you on Indiana. Let's I'm

563
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Speaker 5: going to my third pick Warriors over thirty.

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Speaker 4: Six and a half at Westgate. What are we doing? Guys?

565
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Speaker 3: Like?

566
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Speaker 4: What what world of my living name?

567
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 5: Where the Suns have higher numbers and some books and

568
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 5: the Blazers have higher numbers at some books than the Warriors,

569
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 5: Like I get Klay Thompson's out, I do.

570
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Speaker 4: Steph Curry is a thing, Steph.

571
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Speaker 5: You know Steph Curry, the guy that shot four hundred

572
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 5: and made four hundred and two threes in twenty sixteen.

573
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 5: You know Steph Curry that's been the most impactful player

574
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 5: in the last five seasons of the NBA whenever he

575
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 5: actually plays. You know, Steph Curry who still warfs defenses

576
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 5: in a way that nobody else has next to Steve

577
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 5: Kerr An exceptional coaches not get the kind of credit

578
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 5: that he deserves for taking a team that was a

579
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Speaker 5: first round out and vaulting them into one of the

580
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Speaker 5: best teams of all time. Yes plays out. They added

581
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Speaker 5: Kelly Ubray and Kent Basmore. Those are decent returns the

582
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 5: guys that played last year, Moulder, Pascal, those guys had

583
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 5: to go up against starting line units.

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Speaker 4: They got experience for what they were doing.

585
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Speaker 5: I love the Warriors here at over thirty six and

586
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Speaker 5: a half.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna take that one.

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Speaker 5: And then with my fourth pick, because we're going to

589
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Speaker 5: speed up a little bit on this one, I'm actually

590
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Speaker 5: gonna go ahead and I'm going to take the Nuggets

591
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Speaker 5: minus one thirty at Fandel to win the Northwest Division.

592
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Speaker 5: I don't trust the Jazz to actually be able to

593
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Speaker 5: live up to the hype.

594
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Speaker 4: I think these numbers low enough.

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Speaker 5: I've said I don't like the Blazers, so I'm taking

596
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Speaker 5: the Nuggets minus one thirty to win the Northwest Division.

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Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to go for the Raptors here.

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Speaker 3: I'm taking Toronto at plus four to fifty to win

612
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Speaker 3: the Atlantic. The Atlantic is loaded, so we got Toronto, Philly,

613
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Speaker 3: Boston and Brooklyn. So any any one of those four

614
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: I think could do it. But Toronto over itch is

615
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 3: every year. Last year they had a sixty win pace,

616
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Speaker 3: which means that three years in a row they've won

617
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 3: at sixty to fifty eight and fifty nine wins and

618
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: they only need to hit forty eight win pace to

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Speaker 3: hit are over. But I've got them about equal to

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Speaker 3: the other four teams in the division, and they have

621
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Speaker 3: to me a higher floor, not necessarily the ceiling, which

622
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Speaker 3: you need the ceiling to win the division. But I

623
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 3: think Brooklyn is going to rest guys. I think Boston's

624
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: got the Kemba problem. I think Philadelphia is Philadelphia and

625
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 3: that leaves Toronto and Toronto's gonna play hard they're gonna

626
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: play good defense, They're gonna get a lot of good wins,

627
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: so I like them to be in there to win

628
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: the division.

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Speaker 2: That's actually my fourth pick as well. I like the

630
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 2: Toronto Raptors over forty one wins. I think a lot

631
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: of people are making a big dough out of the

632
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: loss of the Sergia back and Mark Gasol. But they

633
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: were eighteen and ten with Daltasol. They were thirteen to

634
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: four without Bacca. I think Aaron Beans should be, you know,

635
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: a suitable replacement for them. I think the core of

636
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Speaker 2: Pyl Lowery passed with redban Follet and og And Andoby.

637
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Speaker 2: They should continue to have this tav A regular season

638
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Speaker 2: four US. The lot is almost disrespectful to me. Kyle

639
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: Lowry's been a top five point guard for like the

640
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: last seven or eight years, and this line assumes that

641
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: he's gonna drop off. But then even you know he

642
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: was hurt last year, and then you know they went

643
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: on a run with Van Vliet and Siakam. I think

644
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: this team blows over forty one wins easily. Nick Nurse

645
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: still has this team playing good defense. They're deep team.

646
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: I like it.

647
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 5: Look I think it's easy to like Toronto just because

648
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 5: like Nick Nurse is an exceptional coach, Like he's just

649
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 5: like that's the biggest reasons, Like Nick Nurse is maybe

650
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 5: the best.

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Speaker 4: Coach in the NBA. Rahiem, who's your final pick? Number five?

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Speaker 4: Your fifth pick?

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Speaker 2: What you got? It's so funny. Me and Brandon we

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00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: agree a lot today. I actually had the Blazers to

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Speaker 2: win the North the Northwest. I think at plus four hundred,

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00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: there's a small value on the on the number side.

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00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: I think this is the deepest team that Damian Lilla

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00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: has ever played on. I like the additions of Robert

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Speaker 2: Coveringston and Derrick Jones junior. To me, when I looked

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00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 2: at the Blazers last year, they had the first collection

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00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: of wins in the NBA in the NBA last season.

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00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: So I think you've got a full you got a

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00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: healthy nurkice four a season, you got helping that Collins,

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Speaker 2: Gary Trent, You get rid of Hassan Whiteside, who was

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Speaker 2: just a total defensive liability. At plus four hundred, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to take them the win in Northwest. I think

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Speaker 2: Dan goes for I agree with Brandon that there's a

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00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: small bit of value in Dame to win the MVP.

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Speaker 2: I have another another MVP pick that I personally like

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Speaker 2: a little bit more. But I think the Blazers are

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Speaker 2: the top three seed in the West.

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Speaker 4: Brandon your fifth pick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'd love to grab a few unders here

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Speaker 3: for the terrible teams. I think the bad teams are

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00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: going to be real bad this year. But that's not

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00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: even fun to talk about. So take the Cleveland under,

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00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: Take the Charlotte under. Yeah, you got it. I'm going

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00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: off the board. I'm going crazy on this one. With

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00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: one long shot to finish up. I'm picking the Miami

680
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: Heat plus twelve hundred missed the playoffs, so here's what

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00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: I'm thinking. The division is terrible. So it's Miami's division.

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00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: But I am very worried about Jimmy Butler. The last

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00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: time Butler played this many games because I ain't ever

684
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 3: on a late playoff run before I tell you that much.

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00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: The last time that he played that much, the following

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00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: season he had a big drop off. He had a

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00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: lot of injuries. Baller has not stayed healthy over the years.

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00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: I'm worried about this short offseason and the turmoil on

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00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: his body and everything holding up. It's got the coffee

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00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: business to run Miami's deep. But if you take Butler

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00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: out of the system for part of that, the other

692
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: pieces don't work as well. We saw guys like Kendrick

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00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: Nunn and others come up short a little bit. Miami

694
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: is still way better than everyone in the division. Like

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00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: what is gonna be a Washington or someone else if

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00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: they don't take it. So that's an easy playoff win, right,

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00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: except we got the set, we got the playing seed

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00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: now and when I look at the East, what I

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00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: see and I said this before, I've got one team

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Speaker 3: in the top, I've got five teams. Next, I have

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Speaker 3: Miami in like their own tier as the seventh seed.

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00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: If there's a seventh seed, they're in a playing game.

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00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: If they're in a playing game, they can miss the playoffs.

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00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 3: I don't know who's beating them, but I think that

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Speaker 3: there's odds there at plus twelve hundred, those are crazy

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00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: along odds. I'm not putting a lot on it. I

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00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: just feel like I'm out on Miami. I'm playing the

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00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: under and other things as well, but that would be

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Speaker 3: that's my long shot, bold prediction that I just think

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00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: Miami should not be considered in that top tier. What

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00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: they did in the bubble was great. I don't take

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00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: anything away from it. It was the perfect circumstance and

713
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: the perfect situation. This is now, it's a new year.

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Speaker 3: We love you, Jimmy Butler. You have fun, It's ober.

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Speaker 4: This is wild. That's an awesome take. I love it.

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Speaker 5: I will say for the record, several NBA executives have

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Speaker 5: when Jimmy Butler was coming up on free agency, they

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00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 5: all independently without being prompted, and said, you know, I'm

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00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 5: a little worried about Butler because the history of Tibbs

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00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 5: guys over thirty is expect so there's some backing there.

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00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 5: That's a wild take. But hey, plus twelve hundred, got

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Speaker 5: to get the number, all right. My last one, I'm

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Speaker 5: going more pedestrian. I'm actually going to counter you, Brandon though.

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Speaker 5: I'm going over on Cavs twenty two and a half

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Speaker 5: twenty five wins. I like Darius Garland and Collin Sexton.

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00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 5: I thought they were better than advertised last year. Kevin

727
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 5: loves It, seems to be still plugged in, isn't fading.

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Speaker 4: I like a Coorro a lot. As an addition, I

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00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 4: like some of these bad teams.

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Speaker 5: I looked at the twenty eleven twelve season, the last

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Speaker 5: lockout year, there was a little bit more parody in

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Speaker 5: terms of the top which was lower and the bottom

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Speaker 5: was higher. So I'm watching for that and trying to

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Speaker 5: model some of my win totals. We're gonna see a

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Speaker 5: lot of back to backs and stuff like that. The

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Speaker 5: Cavs have more offense than I think previously. I also

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Speaker 5: think that the defense literally cannot be worse, I hope.

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Speaker 5: So that's my hope in picking them. That's going to

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Speaker 5: wrap up our draft of the futures for the twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty one NBA season. Make sure to check out

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Speaker 5: all the great stuff on the Action Network.

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Speaker 4: Download the app. You're not going to regret it. It's

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Speaker 5: Good luck, and as Chris Raybond says, I can't believe

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Speaker 5: I'm about to say this.

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Speaker 4: Get that money.

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Speaker 5: See guys again next time on the Action Network podcast.

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Speaker 3: We're finished talking