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Speaker 3: Well, it spoke earlier with Ryan Speed's managing director of
Speaker 3: sustainability over the last Airlines about airlines decarbonization journey. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's going to be a journey. It's going to be tough.
Speaker 3: I mean no question that airlines want to get there,
Speaker 3: sure of that light.
Speaker 1: An alternative sustainable aviation fuel.
Speaker 4: They need than justine, they need a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, international air travels share of COO two output is
Speaker 3: said to climb dramatically as other segments decarbonized. So as
Speaker 3: you see other parts of the business community use and
Speaker 3: emit less carbon, the share of airlines carbon is going up, right,
Speaker 3: It's going to be an estimated twenty two percent by
Speaker 3: twenty fifty from two percent today if emission aren't cut
Speaker 3: fast enough. This is according to a Bloomberg Big Take
Speaker 3: published last song.
Speaker 1: That's an incredible ramp up. So how do we get there?
Speaker 5: Sustainable aviation fuel that's something you know, you guys talked
Speaker 5: about EV talls or battery powered electric vertical takeoff and
Speaker 5: landing aircraft.
Speaker 1: Our next guest.
Speaker 5: Says he's got a solution, but the only way to
Speaker 5: get there is with hydrogen valve. Miftakoff is the founder
Speaker 5: and CEU of zero Avia. It's a company that says
Speaker 5: it's developing the world's first.
Speaker 1: Zero emission engines for commercial aviation. Great to have you
Speaker 1: back with us, How are you great? Great to be here,
Speaker 1: Thank you, it's good to have you here.
Speaker 5: Remind our worlds since it's been some a little while,
Speaker 5: of what you are working on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, So we develop new generation of engines for commercial aviation,
Speaker 6: large aircraft going long distances, taking a lot of passengers.
Speaker 6: So I think the prime solution for that is hydrogen
Speaker 6: is fuel and then hydrogen fuel sales and electric power.
Speaker 2: Train to bring the aircraft into the new future.
Speaker 1: How far can it go?
Speaker 2: It can go?
Speaker 6: Actually, so we have different programs. Yeah, we start with
Speaker 6: a smaller aircraft and then go larger and larger. The
Speaker 6: largest aircraft so that we can readpower will go the
Speaker 6: same distance as you know, my flight later today goes
Speaker 6: to London for example. Right, So we believe that within
Speaker 6: the next twenty years or so, we will have engines
Speaker 6: or aircraft of that size and being able to go
Speaker 6: that type of distance.
Speaker 3: Do you have to build entirely new aircraft or can
Speaker 3: you strap a pair of these.
Speaker 6: For those distances you would have to modify the aircraft. Generally,
Speaker 6: you can get to about half the maximum range off
Speaker 6: the fossil fuel aircraft without modification of the aircraft or
Speaker 6: with minor modifications. Yeah, and that's our first launch will
Speaker 6: be like that, and then we work already with the
Speaker 6: aircraft manufacturers.
Speaker 2: You know, Airbus is one of our major investors.
Speaker 6: For example, We already work with aircraft manufacturers on what's
Speaker 6: called clean sheet design, where they design aircraft around our engines.
Speaker 1: So why twenty years Well, you.
Speaker 6: Know, if you look at the current engines, Yeah, those
Speaker 6: beautiful things, huge engines off the wings of the aircraft
Speaker 6: the nineteen sixties. Yeah, and actually even before that, right,
Speaker 6: So right after the World War Two the first jet
Speaker 6: engines were developed, So we had almost one hundred years
Speaker 6: of development, if you will, right, So years is not
Speaker 6: that huge of a time really, right, but it's what
Speaker 6: takes to get to technology up to that level.
Speaker 5: All right now Mother Earth is calling and saying we're
Speaker 5: running out of time. My point is, if the technology
Speaker 5: is there, is it a case of those engines are
Speaker 5: really expensive, those planes are really expensive, and the cost
Speaker 5: of that changeover is what's holding things back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a significant component.
Speaker 6: Yeah, especially in aviation because you know, you look at
Speaker 6: other motif market, right, and my previous company was in
Speaker 6: the ev space electric vehicle space, and there you have
Speaker 6: the lifetime of vehicle is just ten years, and we've
Speaker 6: been already since Tesla delivered more or less, it's been
Speaker 6: already been fourteen years, but we're still below ten percent
Speaker 6: of the fleet right converted. In aviation, it's even worse.
Speaker 6: The lifetime all the commercial aircraft it's thirty years, so
Speaker 6: you know, if it will take several generations, then.
Speaker 2: We're not there by twenty one hundred, you know.
Speaker 6: So we need to really push from the government side,
Speaker 6: from the operator side for fleet to replacement very much.
Speaker 3: Sooner sounds great. You still need to get the high drogen.
Speaker 3: Now where do you get the hydrogen?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, and we're here in Washington State, right, which
Speaker 6: is great because the grid is large and renewable, so
Speaker 6: we believe in breeding hydrogen production. We actually make all
Speaker 6: of our fuel for our testing ourselves.
Speaker 4: So that uses a lot of electricity.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it use a lot of extricity, but you need
Speaker 6: electricity anyway to electrify, right, So you.
Speaker 2: Need energy, you need primary energy.
Speaker 6: Now, hydrogen electric approach, the approach that we have is
Speaker 6: the most efficient way to use that energy. So think
Speaker 6: about hydrogen in our aircraft. Is eff actually an energy
Speaker 6: carrier for renewable energy? Is that the batteries are to
Speaker 6: have a fundamentally too heavy right, theoretically you cannot make
Speaker 6: them light enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: For that you can make them lighter today, Yeah, but
Speaker 6: it's still not going to be sufficient for a large
Speaker 6: aircraft going long distances. Hydrogen is the best carrier of
Speaker 6: that energy, so nothing else will really work, right, And
Speaker 6: sustainable alviation fuel you mentioned, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The small portion of that can be made with bio stock.
Speaker 6: Bio feedstock, but this can repower less than ten percent
Speaker 6: off aviation.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: For everything else you would have to go what's called
Speaker 6: a fuels, electric fuels which start with green hydrogen and
Speaker 6: then add carbon culture, then adds additional chemical process and
Speaker 6: all that. So the cost of that is so much
Speaker 6: higher than utilizing hydrogen and hydrogen electric that we think
Speaker 6: that you know, we'll have some transition period with biofuels
Speaker 6: and then hydrogen electric is what will take us to
Speaker 6: the real future.
Speaker 5: What do we need in terms of government policy? You
Speaker 5: mentioned the government involvement what specifically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we need and you know we have some blooprints.
Speaker 1: The government to lead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we have some blooprint deliraty from the TV industry. Right.
Speaker 6: So a lot of transition was driven by the progressive
Speaker 6: governments like California for instance, right with the low carbon
Speaker 6: fuel standards, with emission standards, and then you know there's
Speaker 6: some examples outside of the US like Norway for instance. Right,
Speaker 6: great policies to bring ninety percent plus new vehicles being
Speaker 6: sold are electric. So policies like that for fat eat
Speaker 6: modernization will be super important. And we are launching our
Speaker 6: first commercial products within the next two years.
Speaker 7: So we are talking to the.
Speaker 2: Government saying, hey, you know, the technology is there.
Speaker 6: We're now officially in certification with the regulators across the
Speaker 6: world and it will get here before you know, two years,
Speaker 6: three years out.
Speaker 2: So we need the policies right now.
Speaker 4: What what does that what does that route look like?
Speaker 3: We're the operators who are taking that plante, So we
Speaker 3: need buy in from all constituents here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 6: So we already have over two thousand engines on our
Speaker 6: order book, which is give or take ten billion dollars
Speaker 6: worth of future revenues already pre booked. We have announced
Speaker 6: the production facility actually right here, and the Everts, our
Speaker 6: first production facility are going to be instead of Washington's straight.
Speaker 4: History.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and we're taking over Collins aerospace engine production.
Speaker 2: So it's like a great story, you know, fossil fuels. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Right, so we already have demands, right, So you mentioned
Speaker 6: the Laska Airlines, right, they are our customer, they are
Speaker 6: our investor.
Speaker 2: We have United American and British Airways.
Speaker 6: Amazon, so ecosystem is already supportive.
Speaker 2: I mentioned Airbus.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we just signed also the world's largest deal with
Speaker 6: all three major airports in Canada for example of Vancouver,
Speaker 6: Montreal and Toronto plus Airbus and US together to bring
Speaker 6: them to hydrogen future.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: So the ecosystem is getting around this vision. Now we'll
Speaker 6: need the governments to really push it, help us push it.
Speaker 5: Is that the biggest challenge. It's got thirty seconds left here,
Speaker 5: is it? Just you need the government buy in to
Speaker 5: be a bit more aggressive with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and in two ways. Right.
Speaker 6: So we are now in certification, which means that we're
Speaker 6: working with government regulators to bring it to the markets,
Speaker 6: and we need the right level of priority to this project.
Speaker 6: And then once it's done, actual help in bringing the
Speaker 6: fleets over.
Speaker 3: Ten seconds, you said you're getting on a plane to
Speaker 3: London tonight. What year will plane be powered by your engines?
Speaker 7: It will be powerble.
Speaker 2: We will have engines like that by twenty forty.
Speaker 4: All right, countdown is on, not sooner.
Speaker 6: I told you Mother Earth is called I'm realistic, right,
Speaker 6: So you know, it's a lot of a lot of
Speaker 6: startups out there. You know, they say things that they
Speaker 6: can all deliver and that, yeah, they fall on their faces,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 1: Foul.
Speaker 2: Good to check in.
Speaker 1: We look forward to next time.
Speaker 5: Already about Michtakov, founder and CEO of zero Avia right
Speaker 5: here at the Green Festival.
Speaker 3: In seat well, speaking of changing behavior, that's what our
Speaker 3: next guest is certainly trying to do. Because back in March,
Speaker 3: a SpaceX rocket made history. It blasted off carrying a
Speaker 3: special payload, Methane SAT, a highly specialized satellite that can
Speaker 3: spot methane leaks from the oil and gas industry. A
Speaker 3: missions Carrol that other satellites can't see, and with it
Speaker 3: it ushered in a new era of climate transparency.
Speaker 5: That's right, the goal to motivate and enable urgent action
Speaker 5: to reduce methane emissions.
Speaker 1: Now Methane's SAT. We want to talk.
Speaker 5: About that because it's this incredible collaboration between the Environmental
Speaker 5: Defense Fund and organizations including aerospace companies. You've got space
Speaker 5: agencies also around the globe, academic institutions and the nonprofit
Speaker 5: environmental advocacy group, the Environmental Defense Find.
Speaker 3: We got with us the project lead of Methane SAT,
Speaker 3: the guy who made it happen, Stephen Hamberg, Senior vice
Speaker 3: president and chief scientist at EDF. He joined this yere
Speaker 3: on site at the Bloomberg Green Festival in Seattle. We
Speaker 3: should know Michael or Bloomberg and Bloomberg Philanthropy is a
Speaker 3: supporter at EDA. Bloomberg Philanthropy is the philanthropic arm of
Speaker 3: Bloomberg LP, the parent company of Bloomberg Radio.
Speaker 4: Welcome.
Speaker 3: First of all, congratulations that mark launch was a very,
Speaker 3: very big deal.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, we couldn't be more excited.
Speaker 8: But really now it all begins because getting it into
Speaker 8: space and making sure it works is the first step,
Speaker 8: but the real issue is how do we generate the
Speaker 8: data and make sure it's actionable.
Speaker 4: So what's the data that it's found.
Speaker 8: Well, so far we've only been really testing. We've downloaded
Speaker 8: data and it's looking really good. We're really excited because
Speaker 8: it's really highly precise data. That's what we need to
Speaker 8: be able to answer the three basic questions.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's answer those three basic questions because I
Speaker 3: want some content here to take a big step back
Speaker 3: and understand exactly what methane SAT is measuring here.
Speaker 4: Because there's an.
Speaker 3: Issue with gases being released that are invisible to the
Speaker 3: naked eye, absolutely, and that happen all over the world.
Speaker 8: Correct, So what we need is a global picture and
Speaker 8: we need to be able to figure out where are
Speaker 8: those emissions occurring, how much is being omitted, and how
Speaker 8: they're changing over time. And we need to do that
Speaker 8: across the entire sector. And we can do that with
Speaker 8: methane set because we designed it with such high precision
Speaker 8: and we are delivering the data as actionable data, meaning
Speaker 8: we're actually doing the processing to get it all the
Speaker 8: way to how much is being omitted from where.
Speaker 1: Where is this data going to go.
Speaker 8: So the data is going to be posted public, anybody
Speaker 8: can look at it. It's free of charge for any
Speaker 8: non commercial use. And it will also be of course
Speaker 8: ingested into systems that allow it to be able to
Speaker 8: be integrated to whether financial services or whether it's just
Speaker 8: into regulatory processes. And so we have a whole team
Speaker 8: because just producing data doesn't you guys know, it doesn't
Speaker 8: cause change, right, So we have a whole team from producing.
Speaker 7: The data all the way through the action.
Speaker 8: So there's a whole group that works with us on advocacy,
Speaker 8: ensuring that the stakeholders are engaged, that people understand how
Speaker 8: to use the data, because these date have never existed before.
Speaker 8: We have to get people to understand how to use them.
Speaker 5: Are the stakeholders engaged to dents So I'm sure some
Speaker 5: of them are going to be a little fearful right
Speaker 5: in terms of what this date is going to show.
Speaker 8: Absolutely because it's going to show obviously those who are
Speaker 8: doing a good job and those who are not. Right,
Speaker 8: but absolutely so, the oil and gas industry knows that
Speaker 8: the things are changing. Transparency will be part of the future.
Speaker 8: And we're seeing also in the financial industry where you're
Speaker 8: seeing a lot of interest. I spent a lot of
Speaker 8: time going to many of the major financial institutions talking
Speaker 8: about this, so we are seeing engagement, but it's still
Speaker 8: early days.
Speaker 1: What are the financial institutions want to know?
Speaker 8: They want to know how the data is actionable, right,
Speaker 8: And part of it is a conversation. So we're asking
Speaker 8: what do you need to use it to make more
Speaker 8: informed decisions? And it's not just so we have the
Speaker 8: financial sector, but we also have regulators.
Speaker 7: What do you need to know? So we have multiple.
Speaker 8: Different stakeholder groups, including civil society, and we are working
Speaker 8: with those groups to make sure we understand what type
Speaker 8: of data will be most effective for them to take
Speaker 8: the actions they need to take. And that's again something
Speaker 8: no one's ever done before, creating these diverse products out
Speaker 8: of a single data stream.
Speaker 3: What is the action basic in the sense that we
Speaker 3: need to make sure we trap the methane that's being
Speaker 3: released into the atmosphere. Is that at its most fundamental
Speaker 3: basic level, at the whole point of this.
Speaker 8: Right, So there's no need so we know that almost
Speaker 8: all the emissions that occurring from the production of oil
Speaker 8: and gas don't have to happen. The technology exists, the
Speaker 8: emissions can be reduced cost effectively in almost all cases.
Speaker 3: And again we're not talking about the burning of fossil
Speaker 3: fuels as a result of the end user. We're talking
Speaker 3: about the production.
Speaker 8: The production and the transport. Most of it's occurring at
Speaker 8: the production end, so it's what we refer to as upstream,
Speaker 8: and that actually the emissions are large enough right now
Speaker 8: that if you were to as I do. I have
Speaker 8: a natural gas boiler in my basement, and if I'm
Speaker 8: burning that natural gas, the impact on the climate over
Speaker 8: the next twenty years of my doing that half of
Speaker 8: it roughly comes from the methane loss before I ever
Speaker 8: burn it, and half from the.
Speaker 7: CO two that's being omitted.
Speaker 5: Stephen, what do you think in terms of the general public,
Speaker 5: if they knew that is happening, like in their own homes,
Speaker 5: how it might change their activity and their actions.
Speaker 8: Well, I think the key is to give them options
Speaker 8: and to make sure that the suppliers of the gas
Speaker 8: are held accountable, because you don't. It's it's absolutely clear
Speaker 8: there's a wide difference in these associated emissions, and there's
Speaker 8: nobody producing oil and gas who has to create these emissions.
Speaker 8: This is the technology exists. This is why this is
Speaker 8: not even low hanging fruit. This is fruit on the ground.
Speaker 5: Why haven't they done something? You know, this always blows
Speaker 5: my mind of like doing the right thing. Right, They've
Speaker 5: got to know that they're emitting this into the air.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: Actually, when we start well, that startine is when.
Speaker 7: We started this work.
Speaker 8: So when I started working on this fourteen years ago,
Speaker 8: the companies actually did not know. And as we collected
Speaker 8: data on the ground, not with satellites, there were surprises
Speaker 8: at every corner. And even today, most of the oil
Speaker 8: and gas companies have a very incomplete understanding of how
Speaker 8: much they're being emitted. So the key is to provide
Speaker 8: high quality data. We do not have enough high quality
Speaker 8: data about greenhouse gas emissions across the board.
Speaker 3: Is it just the oil and gas companies or are
Speaker 3: we seeing methane as a byproduct when it comes to
Speaker 3: the decomposition of trash at landfills.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, so we have to think about all of the
Speaker 8: sources of methane. We focused on oil and gas first
Speaker 8: because of course it is economically so easy to do.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's literally no net cost. It just got
Speaker 8: to get action. But we have to worry about waste
Speaker 8: and also agricult it's a very large source of which cows,
Speaker 8: enteric fermentation, waste from animals, also rice production.
Speaker 2: But again there are tools we can use.
Speaker 7: It's more complicated.
Speaker 8: Because we're talking about many more actors and we're talking
Speaker 8: about a more complex system. But we are working New Zealand,
Speaker 8: who's a partner in the New Zealand Space Agency. They
Speaker 8: have a whole program to collect data from nothing SAT
Speaker 8: on agriculture around the world, and we'll again build that
Speaker 8: picture so we can start to get some better action.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that as a partnership.
Speaker 5: What are the partnerships that you already have like in
Speaker 5: the work so that you anticipate are going to be
Speaker 5: coming in the future that will really kind of magnify
Speaker 5: the impact of this.
Speaker 8: So we have partnerships with the UN Environment Program, the
Speaker 8: International Methane Emissions Observatory, we have partnerships, as I said,
Speaker 8: with New Zealand Space Agencies. We're partnering with philanthropic groups
Speaker 8: right so the Basos EERF Fund has been an integral
Speaker 8: part of the funding that to make this possible, because
Speaker 8: we want to be able to provide this free. We
Speaker 8: also have partnerships that allow us to get that data
Speaker 8: out into many people's hands.
Speaker 4: Stephen.
Speaker 3: As I mentioned, this was a really big deal when
Speaker 3: the satellite launched back in March. One of the reasons
Speaker 3: it was is because it has a complex set of
Speaker 3: instruments that allow it to see what no other satellite
Speaker 3: has been able to see before. Talk about the tech
Speaker 3: on board here, like what gives you the power to
Speaker 3: be able to see this through space?
Speaker 8: Well, the real advantage of being here in the United
Speaker 8: States because we're taking advantage of technologies that at the
Speaker 8: very cutting edge, so it's itar protected, right. We have
Speaker 8: all kinds of controls appropriately and so we can provide
Speaker 8: a sensitivity so we can see very very small differences
Speaker 8: in concentration with these very highly specialized detectors. And then
Speaker 8: the kind of technology we have in the ability to
Speaker 8: put it together. We worked with Ball Aerospace, now BAE
Speaker 8: would really the leading instrument maker probably in the world.
Speaker 8: They built the Hubble telescope, the Web telescope, and really
Speaker 8: bringing that kind of level of technology and working with
Speaker 8: colleagues at Harvard University and also at Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory,
Speaker 8: So we just got a lot of really smart people
Speaker 8: leaning in with the world's best technology so that we
Speaker 8: are able to really take the technology a major step forward.
Speaker 1: So when do we start to see lots of data.
Speaker 8: Well, lots of data will be the beginning of next year,
Speaker 8: but we start seeing data before will actually be doing
Speaker 8: we have an aircraft version and we will at the
Speaker 8: end of the month be actually releasing a comparison of
Speaker 8: oil and gas methane emissions across the United States that
Speaker 8: we collected from the air with a very comparable instrument.
Speaker 8: And then we will be releasing data because one of
Speaker 8: the things we have to make sure is that we
Speaker 8: really are confident that the data is solid and that
Speaker 8: is fully validated, calibrated. So we're taking our time because
Speaker 8: we need to make sure we get it right.
Speaker 1: How do you do that?
Speaker 5: How do you make sure because you know they'll benet
Speaker 5: sayers and possibly people challenging you, and we do.
Speaker 1: Want to make sure you get it right.
Speaker 5: So how do you make sure that the information that's
Speaker 5: collected is accurate?
Speaker 8: So, of course, and we want people to challenge this
Speaker 8: because we need to get we're doing something new. You
Speaker 8: want to make sure you get it right, as you said,
Speaker 8: So what do you do? There are sensors around the
Speaker 8: world that actually look up and give you data, and
Speaker 8: you compare what you're seeing down to what's going up.
Speaker 8: We also have data that we've collected in other means
Speaker 8: from places, so we compare our results to those, and
Speaker 8: we also ask because we have to do a lot
Speaker 8: of modeling to get the final result, there's the last step.
Speaker 8: So we already have f teams outside of our team
Speaker 8: taking the data and modeling, and then we compare the results.
Speaker 8: We're right now literally in the middle of a benchmarking study,
Speaker 8: working with funding for the National Science Foundation to collect
Speaker 8: very intensive data with aircraft and with the satellite so
Speaker 8: that we can then create a basically a lab a
Speaker 8: laboratory in which people can analyze it and we can
Speaker 8: see how it varies and really learn from each other.
Speaker 3: So if all goes according to plan, what's the conversation
Speaker 3: that we're having ten years from now, are we talking
Speaker 3: about a decline in the methane ambissions that have been
Speaker 3: released as the result of the imaging technology that you developed.
Speaker 8: Go ten years, five, four and two years from now,
Speaker 8: we will have so much more data than well, basically
Speaker 8: we've collected more data in the next two years than
Speaker 8: we've ever.
Speaker 7: Collected before we will have.
Speaker 8: It's like we're going to put on a sharp pair
Speaker 8: of really high quality glasses, and greenhouse gas emissions across
Speaker 8: oil and gas will come into focus in a way
Speaker 8: we've never had. We need to replicate that across methane
Speaker 8: sources and other greenhouse gas.
Speaker 3: But are those oil companies going to just respond by
Speaker 3: capping their methane and missus.
Speaker 8: That's why it's not just me, it's the whole data
Speaker 8: to action pipeline. It has to be about bringing the
Speaker 8: many actors, whether those are financial institutions, governments, investors, policy
Speaker 8: makers collectively. I'm confident because you're already seeing the industry.
Speaker 7: They're not high.
Speaker 2: They're making commitments.
Speaker 8: At the Conference of the Parties last December, fifty two companies,
Speaker 8: mainly national oil companies, all committed to minimizing their oil
Speaker 8: and gas missions. They got ahead of it because they
Speaker 8: realized this is going to af them. Well, now we
Speaker 8: will have the data to see. Great, congratulate them they're
Speaker 8: doing the job, or saying, in fact, you haven't.
Speaker 5: Met your commitments, just got about thirty seconds LEFTO.
Speaker 1: So what's still challenging though in this mission mission?
Speaker 8: Well, I think the challenging is to provide these kinds
Speaker 8: of high quality data for the first time and make
Speaker 8: sure they're they're really of that quality. That's challenging the team,
Speaker 8: but everybody's committed. This is a team effort. We have
Speaker 8: people from commercial sector, we have people from academia, we
Speaker 8: have people from government, all leaning in to produce the best,
Speaker 8: highest quality data and provide the very first sector wide
Speaker 8: greenhouse gas emissions profile with empirical data for their time.
Speaker 7: Will actually know what's happening.
Speaker 3: Okay, be honest, did any part If you want to
Speaker 3: ride with that rocket with that satellite.
Speaker 7: I get motion sickness. So no, that's a that's a
Speaker 7: absolute no.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 5: It's one of those things that you need all of
Speaker 5: like public, private, everybody kind of in the game.
Speaker 1: If you will, Stephen, thank you so much. Look forward
Speaker 1: to as the data starts to come out the next.
Speaker 2: Few months on like a cruise.
Speaker 7: Thank you for having me, you bet.
Speaker 5: Steven Hamburg, Senior vice president, chief scientist at the Environmental
Speaker 5: Defense Bund right here at the Bloomberg Green Festival in