WEBVTT - What Does Plastic Surgery Have to Do With the Civil War?

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what, well, what's that mango? So, have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>heard of poker talks.

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<v Speaker 2>Poker talks, is that like dtox for playing poker? Or what?

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<v Speaker 2>I actually not heard of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually botox for playing poker.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I get it. That's smart. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was invented by this New York City doctor. His

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<v Speaker 1>name is Jack Birdie, and he's also this poker player,

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<v Speaker 1>and he realized the biggest problem for poker players is

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<v Speaker 1>there tells like people who like fire their brows or

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<v Speaker 1>curl their lips as they're trying to bluff, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he basically came up with a few places to administer

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<v Speaker 1>botox so you don't show your hand as much.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm guessing this is just for humans, or can

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<v Speaker 2>you know those dogs that play poker? Can they also

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<v Speaker 2>get this treatment?

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<v Speaker 1>I love the idea of like Sharpei or one of

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<v Speaker 1>those like super wrinkly dogs just getting all smoothed out.

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<v Speaker 1>Think of the bowtops. I feel like it'll take so

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<v Speaker 1>many years off the dog. But hearing about Poker Talks

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<v Speaker 1>treatments really made us wonder, like, what what's the history

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<v Speaker 1>of these cosmetic procedures? How long have people been getting

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<v Speaker 1>those jobs? And why was the Civil War such a

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<v Speaker 1>turning point for plastic surgery? So let's dive in.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, their podcast listeners, Welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Will Pearson and as always I'm joined by my good

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<v Speaker 2>friend mangesh Hot Ticketer and on the other side of

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<v Speaker 2>the soundproof glass really feeling that burned because he's doing

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<v Speaker 2>his daily set of Facer sizes. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you've noticed this man, he's been doing them all week.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that is our friends and producer Tristan McNeil.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Tristan claims these exercises are a viable alternative to plastic surgery,

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<v Speaker 2>something about how like toning your face muscles can make

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<v Speaker 2>you look younger. So good luck to you, Tristan. You're

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<v Speaker 2>already pretty young looking. But you know, we'll see if

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<v Speaker 2>this makes a difference. And honestly, from here, it mostly

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<v Speaker 2>looks like he's just kind of smushing his cheeks and

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<v Speaker 2>making this little turtle face. It's kind of I wish

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<v Speaker 2>everybody could see this. It's a little weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So he was trying to explain this to me earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been doing this old nineties exercise routine that's supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to tighten facial muscles. And he said it's called cheek energizing,

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<v Speaker 1>and supposedly it's part of this whole facer size program

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<v Speaker 1>that this doctor named Carol Maggio developed like thirty years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>It all sounds and looks pretty bizarre, and I mostly

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<v Speaker 1>just impressed that Tristan was able to decode the written instructions.

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<v Speaker 1>So I actually look this up, and this is a

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<v Speaker 1>breakdown of the cheek energizer move he's been doing. Quote,

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<v Speaker 1>place an index finger lightly on the top of each cheek. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>smile with the middle of your upper lip while thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about the expression you pulling the top lip flat against

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<v Speaker 1>your teeth. Keep your upper and lower lips firmly pulling

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<v Speaker 1>away from each other, and feel your cheeks move under

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<v Speaker 1>your index fingers. Repeat this, smile and release. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>none of this makes any sense to mew.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels weird. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll only smile in the middle of your lip.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Oh got bad. Bad.

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<v Speaker 1>What's strange is that if we wanted, we could actually,

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<v Speaker 1>like ask the inventor herself about how to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>At age seventy three, she actually promotes facer size on

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<v Speaker 1>Skype and you can do a Skype session with her

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<v Speaker 1>and she'll walk you through it face to face.

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<v Speaker 2>I am totally gonna do this manga. That just sounds

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<v Speaker 2>weird enough for me to want to do it, and

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<v Speaker 2>it does seem like it'ld be a pretty surreal experience.

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<v Speaker 2>But as proponents of plastic surgery will tell you, most

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<v Speaker 2>improvements from facial exercise just don't hold a candle to

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<v Speaker 2>the results you get from a shot of botox or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a half hour under the knife. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>think about it, that relative ease and the immediacy of

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<v Speaker 2>the results, it's what makes cosmetic procedures so appealing in

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<v Speaker 2>the first place. For instance, in twenty seventeen alone, fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>point seven million minimally invasive cosmetic procedures were performed in

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<v Speaker 2>the US, So we're talking about things like botox injections,

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<v Speaker 2>chemical peels, laser hair removals. That's almost two hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>increase since the year two thousand. Now. Obviously a big

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<v Speaker 2>reason for that growth is that cosmetic procedures have become easier,

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<v Speaker 2>less invasive, you know, than they were in the year's past.

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<v Speaker 2>But millions of people are lining up each year to

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<v Speaker 2>have parts of their bodies nipped and tucked and shaped

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<v Speaker 2>and plumped. But you know, whether or not that's a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing is still kind of up in the air

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<v Speaker 2>for many people. And so with that question of mine,

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<v Speaker 2>we foind it be interesting to look into the history

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<v Speaker 2>of plastic surgery, including how and why it got started

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<v Speaker 2>and many of the ways it's changed over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>And then a little bit later in the episode, I

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<v Speaker 2>think we'll check out some of the more recent trends

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<v Speaker 2>in the industry, as well as how a selfie stick

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<v Speaker 2>might make you think twice about getting a nose job.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, But you know, before we get into any

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<v Speaker 1>of that, I thought we could start by breaking down

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<v Speaker 1>some of the terms we'll be using today, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just so things don't get confusing a little bit later.

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<v Speaker 1>So in general, we refer to the term plastic surgery

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<v Speaker 1>for a few time diferent things at once. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're cosmetic surgeries, which are the ones meant to enhance

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<v Speaker 1>a person's overall appearance and aren't considered medically necessary, so

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<v Speaker 1>things like liposeuction or facelifts, as well as the less

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<v Speaker 1>invasive procedures you mentioned like chemical peels and botox. But

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<v Speaker 1>plastic surgery can also refer to reconstructive surgeries, and those

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<v Speaker 1>are the ones performed to restore the normal function or

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<v Speaker 1>appearance of a person's body, and for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>these are considered medically necessary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean there are several of these types. When

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<v Speaker 2>you think about surgeries like you know, repairing a cleft

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<v Speaker 2>palate or the you know, unbelievable jobs that these surgeons

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<v Speaker 2>can do when they're reconstructing a burn victim's face or

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<v Speaker 2>their body, it's pretty remarkable how far this has come.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I did think it was worth mentioning because

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<v Speaker 1>there's still a ton of stigma surrounding the term, Like

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<v Speaker 1>lots of people only associate plastic surgery with the cosmetic

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<v Speaker 1>side of things like tummy talks and calf implants.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, my guess is that the stigma has a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to do with the word plastic itself. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it makes people think about fakeness and artificiality

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<v Speaker 2>and all the other things we associate with plastic as

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<v Speaker 2>a substance, Like we wrap our view of plastic as

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<v Speaker 2>being cheap and disposable onto these surgeries that share this name,

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<v Speaker 2>which of course is pretty unfair when you really think

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, especially when you consider that the name

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have anything to do with plastic in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I read this week that the first time the

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<v Speaker 1>word plastic was actually used to describe a surgical technique

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<v Speaker 1>was in eighteen thirty seven, which is so long before

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<v Speaker 1>plastic the substance was even invented.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So then what did the term actually mean

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<v Speaker 2>when it was used in eighteen thirty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually came from the Greek word plasticos, which means

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<v Speaker 1>to mold or give form. So a plastic surgery was

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<v Speaker 1>basically a shaping surgery, and that was pretty fitting because

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<v Speaker 1>the earliest forms of plastic surgery were based much more

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<v Speaker 1>in reconstruction than they were in purely cosmetic changes.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, It's interesting. This is another one of those

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<v Speaker 2>things that when we started looking into the history, you

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<v Speaker 2>really don't think about how far back some of these

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<v Speaker 2>things go. And so actually, the earliest known example of

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<v Speaker 2>plastic surgery dates all the way back to the sixth

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<v Speaker 2>century BCE, and it was indeed a form of reconstruction.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a nose job. The technique was invented in

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<v Speaker 2>ancient India by a physician and a surgeon named Soushruta.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was at the time when you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was common to punish an adulter or a thief with

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<v Speaker 2>some form of body mutilation, usually by cutting off the

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<v Speaker 2>nose or maybe an ear. And so this physician was

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<v Speaker 2>one of many in the region who felt that this

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<v Speaker 2>was a kind of public shaming and was just way

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<v Speaker 2>over the line of course, and you know, basically ensured

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<v Speaker 2>that the criminals would be shunned for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>their lives. We wanted to do something to help solve

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<v Speaker 2>this problem, and so it began looking for a way

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<v Speaker 2>to help these people reintegrate into society by restoring their

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<v Speaker 2>appearance as much as he possibly could. And so what

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<v Speaker 2>he came up with was this technique where a flap

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<v Speaker 2>of skin was removed from a patient's cheek and then

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<v Speaker 2>molded and shaped into a new nose the nostrils by

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<v Speaker 2>inserting these two hollow reeds, and then you'd leave them

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<v Speaker 2>in place to make sure the nostrils didn't close up

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<v Speaker 2>as the new nose healed. I mean, it's unbelievable that

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<v Speaker 2>somebody could pull this off that long ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it almost sounds like fantastical that anything like

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<v Speaker 1>that could even work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it seems to have been the consensus at the

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<v Speaker 2>time too. But you know, once word of this method spread,

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<v Speaker 2>other Indian surgeons began trying it for themselves, and some

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<v Speaker 2>even put their own spin on the procedure by building

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<v Speaker 2>the replacement nose from a flap of the patient's forehead

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<v Speaker 2>skin rather than you know, maybe their cheek. And this

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<v Speaker 2>early form of rhinoplasty proved so successful that it was

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<v Speaker 2>eventually adapted throughout Europe, where it became known as the

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<v Speaker 2>Indian method.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had actually heard about this Indian method just

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<v Speaker 1>because it's one of those things I feel is compulsory

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<v Speaker 1>if you're Indian, like for an Indian pride, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>India also came up with the concept of zero as

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<v Speaker 1>a number and invented shampoo. Like these are just things

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<v Speaker 1>we know, and you are welcome. But so apparently we

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<v Speaker 1>weren't the only invaders there. There was also something called

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<v Speaker 1>the Italian method, and this was emitted by a surgeon

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<v Speaker 1>named Antonio Branca. This was in early fourteen hundreds, and

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<v Speaker 1>the big difference was that Bronca used a flap of

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<v Speaker 1>skin from the upper arm to build his patient's new noses,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was considered an improvement for the most part

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<v Speaker 1>because it left a lot less scarring than the Indian

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<v Speaker 1>method did. The only downside was that, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>a little strange to think about, in order for the

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<v Speaker 1>skin to fully attach itself, patients actually had to hold

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<v Speaker 1>their arms against their nose for like twenty straight days.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously seems super uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>It does sound miserable, but I guess in these cases,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, considering the results or the payoff, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it was considered worth it. But yeah, let's get back

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<v Speaker 2>to Shushruta for a minute. Because after his breakthrough, this

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<v Speaker 2>plastic surgery continued to develop throughout Europe. So, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>ancient Rome got in on the act sometime during the

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<v Speaker 2>early first century, so surgeons of the era pioneered bleferoplasty,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the adjustment of the eyelids in order to

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<v Speaker 2>correct drooping or squinting eyes. And around the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>the Greek physician Galen performed the very first purely cosmetic

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<v Speaker 2>plastic surgery, so it was kind of like a nose

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<v Speaker 2>job for the wealthy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of cool that those jobs were like first

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<v Speaker 1>both for reconstructive and cosmetic purposes. It's kind of stunning,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, not everyone was happy about those breakthroughs

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<v Speaker 1>and body modification. As Christianity began to take hold in

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<v Speaker 1>Europe during the Middle Ages, plenty of religious leaders viewed

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<v Speaker 1>plastic surgery as sinful or almost borderline blasphemous, and this

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<v Speaker 1>belief gained more traction in the twelfth century when the

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<v Speaker 1>Pope I think it's Pope Innocent the third at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>he formally spoke out against it, and pretty soon after

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<v Speaker 1>it became a crime to surgically alter the human body.

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<v Speaker 2>So you see this kind of thing happen throughout history,

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<v Speaker 2>but in this case, like what changed that perception? What

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<v Speaker 2>made the church eventually back down from this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is going to sound strange, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the shift was due to syphilis.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, you know that there were a lot of things

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<v Speaker 2>I was guessing about. Is not what I expected you

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<v Speaker 2>to say, though.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. So there was a really bad outbreak of

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<v Speaker 1>this disease in Europe during the late sixteenth century, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of the symptoms of advanced syphilis happens to be

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<v Speaker 1>soft tissue decay, which is usually centered in the nose.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea about this. But now there were

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<v Speaker 1>all these like upper crust lords and ladies with these big,

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<v Speaker 1>gaping holes in their faces, and suddenly this like quote

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<v Speaker 1>sin of like crafting a false nose, it started to

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<v Speaker 1>seem a whole lot better, you know than the alternative

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<v Speaker 1>of having, you know, a hole in your face.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that makes sense. And yeah, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>plastic surgeries development didn't end in Europe, and the techniques

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<v Speaker 2>eventually made their way here to the United States, with

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<v Speaker 2>one of the earliest practitioners being doctor John Metdouer. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he and his sons ran this successful practice in Virginia

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<v Speaker 2>and they were specializing and repairing genital birth effects and

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<v Speaker 2>then later on in reconstructive surgery, and his legacy is

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<v Speaker 2>actually really impressive. So Metour is credited with performing the

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<v Speaker 2>first hard cleft palette repair on the Americas in eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven, and notably, he completed the procedure by transplanting

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<v Speaker 2>pieces of bone rather than just skin or muscle as

0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.400
<v Speaker 2>previous surgeons had done. And so this new technique was

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<v Speaker 2>this huge leap forward for reconstructive surgery, and it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>the main reason why doctor Metour is often called America's

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<v Speaker 2>first plastic surgeon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it really seems like the nineteenth century is

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<v Speaker 1>when modern plastic surgery really started to take off. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading about how much of a game changer

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil War was for battlefield medicine. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>think about things like amputation techniques or more reliable forms

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<v Speaker 1>of anesthesia, but facial reconstruction was another area that saw

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<v Speaker 1>these major advances during America's bloodiest war, and records actually

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<v Speaker 1>show that Union surgeons performed more than thirty successful plastic

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<v Speaker 1>surgeries on these odd disfigured soldiers during the war, and

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<v Speaker 1>they also pioneered new techniques that would later become standards

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<v Speaker 1>in the field, like taking photo to track the progress

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<v Speaker 1>of repairs and also using smaller sutures for incisions to

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<v Speaker 1>help minimize the scarring. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's interesting how these advancements happened during war,

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<v Speaker 2>because it actually wasn't just the Civil War where these

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of breakthroughs happen, like both world wars actually also

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<v Speaker 2>brought major innovations the plastic surgery as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, that's definitely a good point, and we

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<v Speaker 1>should spotlight a few of those advances before we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the state of plastic surgery today. But before we

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<v Speaker 1>go any further, why don't we take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Part Time Genius and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the long, surprising history of plastic surgery. Okay, well, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're up to the twentieth century now in our timeline,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were just about to get into World War One.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. You know, as we were saying, earlier

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<v Speaker 2>wars have certainly led to these turning points and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>reconstruction of various kinds and facial reconstruction specifically. And there

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<v Speaker 2>were a couple of reasons for this. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 2>you think about what was advanced in terms of warfare

0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.640
<v Speaker 2>at that time, you had machine guns and aerial bombers

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<v Speaker 2>that were being used in combat and really for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time during World War One. And the result of this, obvious,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, tragic result of this is that more soldiers

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<v Speaker 2>suffered facial wounds due to bullets and shrapnel than in

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<v Speaker 2>any of the wars before them. And you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously awful, but the wounds were often more extensive than

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<v Speaker 2>surgeons were used to treating. So the good news here

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<v Speaker 2>is though, that anesthesia and the treatment of infections had

0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:41.360
<v Speaker 2>definitely improved drastically by this time, so you had serious

0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.960
<v Speaker 2>injuries that would have been fatal in the past that

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<v Speaker 2>were now considered survivable, and that included a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>major facial disfigurements as a result of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we mentioned earlier that there were some like thirty

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<v Speaker 1>odd plastic surgeries during the Civil War, and that actually

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound like that many at first, but when you

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<v Speaker 1>consider how many soldier died just because there was no

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<v Speaker 1>way to stave off infection, it starts to make sense

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<v Speaker 1>why the number was so low.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so with World War One, surgeons suddenly found

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<v Speaker 2>themselves with a lot of chances to develop and refine

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<v Speaker 2>new ways to deal with disfigurements. And one member of

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<v Speaker 2>the medical community was especially helpful in this regard. His

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<v Speaker 2>name was doctor Harold Gillies, and he was actually a nose,

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<v Speaker 2>ear and throat specialists. He was from New Zealand and

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<v Speaker 2>so he had joined the Royal Army Medical Corps at

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<v Speaker 2>the start of the war, and so during his time

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<v Speaker 2>on the Western Front, Gillies learned as much as he

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<v Speaker 2>could about reconstructive surgery, and this was mostly by observing

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<v Speaker 2>the dentists and the doctors that he was stationed with.

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<v Speaker 2>So then when he returns to England, he was actually

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<v Speaker 2>given the chance to apply what he'd learned to the

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<v Speaker 2>newly opened Queen's Hospital in London. There were more than

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand beds there and these were reserved for patients

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<v Speaker 2>in need of these facial reconstructions, so it was a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's almost hard to imagine that many

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<v Speaker 1>people needing surgeries like that all at once. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>it's really staggering when you think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, it really is. Actually, there was such a

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<v Speaker 2>demand for these services that patients often had to queue

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<v Speaker 2>up outside the hospital. So even with a thousand beds there,

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<v Speaker 2>it just gives you a sense of how many people

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<v Speaker 2>were affected by this. And there was this set of

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<v Speaker 2>blue benches reserved exclusively for patients with facial disfigurements, and

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<v Speaker 2>apparently the bright blue color was a way to warn

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<v Speaker 2>the locals that they might want to look away when

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<v Speaker 2>walking past the benches, and so it's just tragic to

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<v Speaker 2>think about that, and you know, it might seem insensitive

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<v Speaker 2>at first, but it was really as much for the

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<v Speaker 2>patients as it was for the public, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if anything, the soldiers probably appreciated the break from people

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<v Speaker 2>staring at them all the time, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>So what kind of breakthroughs was Gilly's making at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's actually probably too many to go through here,

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<v Speaker 2>but one of the biggest was what he called the

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<v Speaker 2>tube pedicle or flat procedure, I guess. So basically, Gillies

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<v Speaker 2>would cut a strip of living skin and tissue and

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<v Speaker 2>then he would form it to this tube that was

0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.600
<v Speaker 2>still connected to the patient at one end. Then the

0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.000
<v Speaker 2>tube could be laid across the patient's wounded face until

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<v Speaker 2>the skin graft actually took root.

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<v Speaker 1>Which sounds pretty gruesome, but I'm guessing there was some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of upside to this approach.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely, I mean a really big one. So before

0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Gillies came along, reconstructive surgeries had long struggled on how

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<v Speaker 2>to ward off infection in this open wound while they

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<v Speaker 2>were waiting for this skin graph to take So his

0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.080
<v Speaker 2>variation solved this problem because it ensured that blood continued

0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.320
<v Speaker 2>to flow through the grafted area, so then once the

0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.399
<v Speaker 2>graft had taken root, the surgeon could simply sever the

0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:40.600
<v Speaker 2>tube and sculpt the remaining tissue into the patient's new

0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.639
<v Speaker 2>nose and throat, and you know, it doesn't paint this

0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.800
<v Speaker 2>pretty picture, but the technique was so successful that the

0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.399
<v Speaker 2>work at Queen's Hospital continued long after the war had ended.

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<v Speaker 2>So in total, the hospital performed more than eleven thousand

0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:58.320
<v Speaker 2>operations on over five thousand patients before they finally closed

0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.920
<v Speaker 2>their doors in nineteen twenty five. And Gillies actually received

0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.040
<v Speaker 2>knighthood for his efforts. And when World War two began,

0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.960
<v Speaker 2>he kept working on this new set of soldiers that

0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:09.520
<v Speaker 2>were in the same kind of need.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a tremendous legacy. But you know, we've mostly dealt

0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.320
<v Speaker 1>with the reconstructive side of plastic surgery so far. So

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<v Speaker 1>what do you say we switched gears and focus on

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<v Speaker 1>the cosmetic side for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that definitely makes sense. Actually, I'll start us off

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<v Speaker 2>with something that I was surprised to learn this week. So,

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<v Speaker 2>even with nearly two million cosmetic surgeries performed in the

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<v Speaker 2>US each year, the plastic surgery industry overall has actually

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<v Speaker 2>shrunk by about twelve percent since the year two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>That's strange. I wouldn't have guessed that. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess breast augmentations and liposection. Just I mean, maybe they're

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<v Speaker 1>not as appealing as they used to be, is that right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that those are still the top two

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<v Speaker 2>cosmetic surgeries in the States, with roughly three hundred thousand

0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.480
<v Speaker 2>each per year, But on the whole, there are fewer

0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.119
<v Speaker 2>people undergoing the ninth than there were about, you know,

0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.160
<v Speaker 2>twenty years or so ago. But the most interesting part

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<v Speaker 2>to me, at least, was that while cosmetic surgeries are down,

0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:09.200
<v Speaker 2>the number of minimally invasive cosmetic procedures like injection or

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<v Speaker 2>laser hair removal, those numbers are only going up each year.

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<v Speaker 2>So in fact, the American Society of Plastic Surgeons reports

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<v Speaker 2>that the number of these procedures has grown nearly two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent since two thousand, So that's the same period

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, these cosmetic surgeries have been declining.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, and I'm sure poker tox is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest reasons for all of exactly. Yeah, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>do wonder what's behind that downward shift, Like, is it

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<v Speaker 1>just that the minimally invasive stuff requires less downtime than

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<v Speaker 1>the flow on surgeries or what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I think that's part of it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>plus the fact that these procedures are cheaper, they're faster,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, you know, less invasive, like you mentioned. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it also doesn't hurt that there isn't as

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<v Speaker 2>much stigma around something like microdermabrasion as there might be

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<v Speaker 2>in getting a tummy tuck or a nose job or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess it kind of comes back to the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that plastic surgery might still carry a connotation of phoniness,

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<v Speaker 1>like and I guess these similar types of procedures are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a way of sidestepping that stigma while still

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<v Speaker 1>altering your appearance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, actually, just in looking this up,

0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I think that desire for a more natural look is

0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.680
<v Speaker 2>something that came up a lot. And there's a really

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<v Speaker 2>good article about this and Allure this past month, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a sentence I never really thought i'd be saying,

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<v Speaker 2>but I did want to share a quote from it

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<v Speaker 2>really quickly. The author is Caitlin Clark, and here's what

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<v Speaker 2>she writes. Disproportionate breast enhancement, overfilled lips, and exaggerated cosmetic

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<v Speaker 2>procedures in general are all trends on their way out. Now,

0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:40.040
<v Speaker 2>a successful plastic surgery or cosmetic procedure should no longer

0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:44.040
<v Speaker 2>be obvious. Patients are increasingly wanting to maintain their general

0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:48.000
<v Speaker 2>facial structure, inherited family traits, and just generally wanting to

0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.600
<v Speaker 2>look like themselves, but with a few refined tweaks.

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<v Speaker 1>Which definitely tracks with these so called tweak mins I

0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.240
<v Speaker 1>read about last week. So there's this new skin tightening

0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.840
<v Speaker 1>treatment that's supposed to take off this year, face tight,

0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and it actually uses this radio frequency energy to tighten

0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.720
<v Speaker 1>and sculpt the skin around your neck and jalline. It's

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<v Speaker 1>totally non surgical, and the effects supposedly last up to

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<v Speaker 1>five years, which is kind of amazing. And even on

0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.720
<v Speaker 1>the surgical side, it seems like smaller, less obvious treatments

0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:18.960
<v Speaker 1>are how most people want to go these days. For instance,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this one procedure that's becoming really popular right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and it addresses something so obscure that you probably forgot

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<v Speaker 1>it's even a body part.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna guess that we're talking about the uvula here

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<v Speaker 2>at the back of your throat, because I've actually heard

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<v Speaker 2>they can go in and sort of like shave it

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<v Speaker 2>down if it's bothering you. Did you know this?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize that, but I guess it's good to know.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, the surgery I'm talking about is actually

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<v Speaker 1>for the filterum, which is that little indented space between

0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.680
<v Speaker 1>your nose and your lip, and it's sometimes also called

0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Cupid's bow too.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So what exactly are people doing to their filterums?

0:21:56.119 --> 0:22:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Apparently the filterum elongates over time, so a lot one

0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:02.719
<v Speaker 1>is a pretty clear sign of age for some people.

0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:05.239
<v Speaker 1>But now there's this quick little surgery where you make

0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:07.520
<v Speaker 1>a tiny incision it goes right under the nose, and

0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:09.600
<v Speaker 1>then lift up the lip a little so the filter

0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:12.440
<v Speaker 1>looks smaller. And while that might still sound like a

0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of trouble over something so small and so unnoticeable,

0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:18.600
<v Speaker 1>the procedure tends to be easier and safer than getting

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<v Speaker 1>lip injections or I guess using a bunch of weird

0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:22.439
<v Speaker 1>fillers to plump up your lips.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I can imagine how this new method

0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.840
<v Speaker 2>might provide a more natural looking result. And from everything

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<v Speaker 2>I've been reading this week, it does seem like the

0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:35.719
<v Speaker 2>average cosmetic surgery patient is more interested in this direction nowadays,

0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Like not this complete overhaul, but kind of a subtle

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<v Speaker 2>I kept seeing the word plussing of what's already there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's an interesting shift from the way we used

0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:47.520
<v Speaker 1>to be with these like over the top changes that

0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:49.840
<v Speaker 1>gave cosmetic surgery such a bad rap in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, there's still a lot of potential pitfalls

0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:55.359
<v Speaker 1>with these procedures, not to mention the lingering question of

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<v Speaker 1>whether all this focus on physical appearance and beauty is

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<v Speaker 1>actually good for us.

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<v Speaker 2>We can spend a little bit of time mulling that

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<v Speaker 2>one over. But before we get to that, let's take

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<v Speaker 2>one more quick break, all right, Mago. So before the break,

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<v Speaker 2>you were saying there are still some drawbacks to cosmetic surgery,

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<v Speaker 2>even with all the advancements and the greater focus on

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<v Speaker 2>a more natural look that we see these days. So

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<v Speaker 2>do you have an example of what kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>you're actually referring to?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, why don't we go back to nose jobs

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<v Speaker 1>for a second. We live in such an age of

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<v Speaker 1>wonder is that it's now possible to actually reshape your

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<v Speaker 1>nose without the need for any surgery at all. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>there are these non surgical nose jobs that I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you inject this acid based filler into your nose, and

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<v Speaker 1>the filler then lodges into the imperfections in a person's nose,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of filling in the gaps and smoothing everything into

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<v Speaker 1>this more dreamline shape.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's interesting because it kind of goes back

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<v Speaker 2>to some of the reconstructive nose jobs we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>earlier in the episode, you know, where you're actually trying

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<v Speaker 2>to build up the nose rather than shave it down

0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:15.080
<v Speaker 2>like we're used to seeing. But in this case, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the concern? Is the filler unsafe? No, it's not that.

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<v Speaker 1>And if I were going to sum up the worry,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'd say that the procedure makes it too

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<v Speaker 1>easy to change the shape of your nose, and the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing takes something like fifteen minutes of results are

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<v Speaker 1>visible right away. But you know what, while that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like it might be a win across the board, there's

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that the ease of access is actually resulting in

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<v Speaker 1>way more people getting nose jobs than they would otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's concerning is that people are changing the shape

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<v Speaker 1>of their nose or other parts of their bodies based

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<v Speaker 1>on false evidence. And I'm actually going to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what this is. According to a recent report from the

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<v Speaker 1>American Academy of Facial Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, about fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five percent of the people who visit a plastic surgeon

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<v Speaker 1>do so because they want to improve the their selfies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a little disconcerting. But I mean, on the

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<v Speaker 2>other hand, is wanting to look better in selfies that

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<v Speaker 2>much different than wanting to look good in a bathing

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<v Speaker 2>suit or in a wedding photo, or you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>whatever other goal people might have.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean, it isn't. But the red flag in

0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.800
<v Speaker 1>this case is that selfies aren't actually an accurate representation

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<v Speaker 1>of the person who took them. In fact, there was

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<v Speaker 1>this study just last year that found that selfies taken

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<v Speaker 1>too close can make your nose appear about thirty percent

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<v Speaker 1>larger than it really is. And that makes sense, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if your nose sticks out of your face, it means

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<v Speaker 1>it's close to the camera and as a result, it's

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<v Speaker 1>much bigger compared to everything else.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that makes sense. But what about the plastic

0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:45.520
<v Speaker 2>surgeons themselves, Like, wouldn't they know that selfies aren't a

0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:48.359
<v Speaker 2>fair representation of their clients? That did they just go

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<v Speaker 2>ahead with the procedures anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, at the end of the day, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>really their call to make right. But some plastic surgeons

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<v Speaker 1>do try to talk their patients out of it whenever possible.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, the study I mentioned was champion by

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<v Speaker 1>this facial plastic surgeon named Boris Pashkov. And you notice

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<v Speaker 1>how frequently his patients were showing him selfies to explain

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<v Speaker 1>why they wanted the surgery. So he started taking photos

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<v Speaker 1>of them from the proper portrait distance, which is actually

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<v Speaker 1>five feet away, just to give him a better sense

0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:19.280
<v Speaker 1>of what their face actually looks like. And as Bors

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 1>put it, quote, I want them to realize that when

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<v Speaker 1>they take a selfie, they're in essence looking into a

0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 1>portable funhouse mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I do think the elephant in the room

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<v Speaker 2>that we really haven't touched on is that with any

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<v Speaker 2>of the drawbacks we've been talking about, it's women who

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<v Speaker 2>are disproportionately affected by them, because when you look at

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 2>the stats for plastic surgery, eighty five to ninety percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the patients are women, depending on you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>specific procedure, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is people probably aren't too surprised to

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<v Speaker 1>hear that, Like you always hear about how there's you know,

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 1>an enormous pressure on women to look like other women

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:57.080
<v Speaker 1>do in movies or magazines or Instagram. And since those

0:26:57.080 --> 0:27:01.119
<v Speaker 1>images are all overproduced and filtered and deaf they photoshopped,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of us end up devoting a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time and energy chasing something unattainable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're right, it's a legitimate source of pain. And

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, I was reading about this study in Scientific

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<v Speaker 2>American where the researchers found that women who believe they

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<v Speaker 2>can become more beautiful with effort have a higher risk

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<v Speaker 2>of developing appearance based anxiety, and so they're more likely

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<v Speaker 2>to show an interest in cosmetic surgery as a result

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<v Speaker 2>of this.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that wasn't the case for women who have

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<v Speaker 1>more fixed views on their beauty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, that's right, and you know, as you might expect,

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:34.439
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't the case for men either. But what I

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<v Speaker 2>did find interesting about this is is that believing we

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 2>can improve a trait really can help us achieve that goal. So,

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.479
<v Speaker 2>just to take an example here, people who think that

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence or creativity are malleable, they tend to improve in

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 2>those areas. Over time compared to people who don't believe

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 2>those traits can be changed.

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<v Speaker 1>That's weird. So having an eye towards improvement is actually

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<v Speaker 1>a good thing for the most part.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that seems to be the case, But it

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<v Speaker 2>mostly comes down to how realistic your goal is. So

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<v Speaker 2>according to the co author of the study, your name

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<v Speaker 2>is Professor Melissa Berkeley, here's what she says. She says,

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<v Speaker 2>prior research has shown that malleable beliefs increase motivation, which

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 2>is good if we're talking about being motivated to stay

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 2>in school or improve somebody's math skills. But when the

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.679
<v Speaker 2>domain is as unrealistic as the beauty standards we have

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:27.199
<v Speaker 2>for women today, increasing motivation may lead to harmful behaviors.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, if someone's going to alter their appearance, you know,

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>through a procedure or surgery, they should make sure they're

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:35.919
<v Speaker 1>doing it for the right reasons, not not because of

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 1>how a selfie turned out or because of the way

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>a celebrity looks on screen, but because they want the

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<v Speaker 1>outside to better reflect how they feel inside.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, cosmetic surgery can be empowering in

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<v Speaker 2>the same way as reconstructive surgery. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>namely as a way to reclaim or reassert your own identity.

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 2>And that doesn't mean that who you are should be

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<v Speaker 2>completely wrapped up and how you look, but being comfortable

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>in your own skin. It's you know, it's important, and

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 2>it's crucial for mental health too. And if you'd rather

0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:06.480
<v Speaker 2>just dabble in a lower key approach, you can always

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 2>try facer size. I mean, if it works for Tristan,

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 2>it can work for anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he looks younger every single minute, like he's

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Buttoning right in front of our eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, that's probably enough unsolicited beauty talk for

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<v Speaker 2>one day, but we still have plenty left to chat

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<v Speaker 2>about in today's fact off, so let's get to it.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Colors magazine, Iran is the nose job capital

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<v Speaker 1>of the world, and apparently the procedure is expensive enough

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>that it carries a bit of a status cloud with it,

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<v Speaker 1>So Colors puts it this way. People will wear their

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.520
<v Speaker 1>post surgery bandages for months like a badge of honor.

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Some even wear the bandages without undergoing the surgery.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, they are all sorts of people who

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<v Speaker 2>are obsessed with celebrities and get plastic surgery to look

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 2>like them. You see stories of them all over the Internet,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, and you know people paying to look more

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<v Speaker 2>like Justin Bieber or Kylie Jenner or Lindsay Lohan. But

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the most surprising cases is this

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Chinese writer and superfan who has spent almost a quarter

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 2>of a million dollars to get ten surgeries to look

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 2>like guess who William Shakespeare. And apparently the only place

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 2>he refuses to spend is the haircut. For some reason,

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't want the Bard's receding hairline, but he's been

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<v Speaker 2>willing to grow his hair out just to kind of

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 2>amplify the look.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, you know. Weirdly enough, there's a surgery to

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<v Speaker 1>switch your left and right fingerprints by slicing them off

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 1>and grafting them on the other And I guess authorities

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<v Speaker 1>only found out about this in two thousand and nine

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 1>when this woman who'd been kicked out of Japan for

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 1>overstaying her visa re entered the country and then was

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:54.480
<v Speaker 1>caught for a different crime. Her name was Lynn Wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>She paid fifteen thousand dollars for the surgery to mask

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<v Speaker 1>her fingerprints, and it's been dubbed Japan's first biometric fraud crime.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, did you know the inventor of botox,

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<v Speaker 2>who was this ophthalmologist named Alan Scott, never really cared

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 2>about wrinkles. So he had this patient who'd undergone three

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 2>surgeries for double vision, and this was his way of

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 2>using almost like this natural duct tape to patch up

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:22.960
<v Speaker 2>the eye. So Scott says he isn't sure who was

0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:26.280
<v Speaker 2>more nervous about the experimental treatment, him giving it or

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 2>the patient receiving it. But once it was successful, Scott

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 2>sold the concept to allergant, who immediately realized the skin's

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<v Speaker 2>smoothing benefits.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's something I hadn't realized. Animal plastic surgeries are

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<v Speaker 1>actually a thing, and people have been getting Tommy tucks,

0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 1>eyelid lifts, and laser nostril procedures for their dogs for

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>a while now. And the treatments aren't purely cosmetic. The

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>treatments actually prevent bacterial infections and help the dogs with

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 1>wrinkled noses breathe better. It tends to be a booming industry. Apparently,

0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 1>in twenty eleven, people spent sixty two million dollars on

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 1>plastic surgery for their pets. But I'm actually gonna tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about one story where it made a huge difference,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was at the Vancouver Aquarium. There was this

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<v Speaker 1>one eyed yellow tail rockfish and the vets there noticed

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>it was getting bullied by the other fish in the tank,

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>like they'd steal its food, they'd attack it from that side.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was just low confidence, I guess. But the

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:24.960
<v Speaker 1>doctor sewed this big, bright yellow prosthetic eye into the

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:28.280
<v Speaker 1>socket and now the fish is fatter, he's doing well,

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<v Speaker 1>and he isn't getting bullied anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a great story. Actually, I think that's good enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm gonna let you take the fact off today. Mango.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm happy about it. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that is it for today's show. If you've got

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<v Speaker 2>facts for topics you want to share, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>The struct to the bottle, but the sacri