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Speaker 1: What is up Everybody? John middlecop three and Out podcast?

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Speaker 1: How are we doing? Beautiful Monday recording this. I just

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Speaker 1: it comes up no matter what team you're a part of,

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Speaker 1: they really are the talk of the league. I texted

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Speaker 1: as well do this deal, even though everyone's gonna shit

427
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: on us, because like, you can't do a deal with

428
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and get more picks, and that's ultimately what

429
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 1: they did. So I see both sides of it. I

430
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: have no problem with anyone going you can't be trading

431
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs, and I understand their side, like he's

432
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: gonna be there thirty two for them anyway. So if

433
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: they want to get aggressive for this guy, let's pull

434
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: the trigger and get the guy that we're gonna get

435
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: no matter what, because these other teams are not drafting them,

436
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: and we got them, and we accumulate a lot of

437
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: picks because of it. The other thing I've noticed, and

438
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: I haven't watched every team's press conference, but I've watched

439
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: a decent amount of them. One thing that really stood

440
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: out to me during the press conferences is when a

441
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: GM brings his assistant GM with them. Happens with a

442
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: lot of teams after day three, a lot of teams,

443
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: I've noticed with the Colts, I saw the forty nine

444
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: ers do this, and I'm sure a ton of other

445
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: teams did this. They had their area of scouts or

446
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: their college directors to the press commerce they got to

447
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: speak Colts. One's pretty funny. One of the Colt scouts

448
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: was like swearing. I was laughing. That's cool because in

449
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: this business, and I'll never forget this. When I got

450
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: let go by the Eagles, I'm like, no one has

451
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: any clue if I'm good or not. The only people

452
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: that know are the people inside my building. I just

453
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: worked one hundred hour weeks, driving all over pounding you know,

454
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: the pavement, writing up reports till all hours of the night,

455
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: watching hundreds of players for who for what? To quote

456
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: my guy Ricky Waters. It doesn't even feel like I'm

457
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: a part of anything. And listen, a lot of teams

458
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: don't include those guys, and any team that did, I

459
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: can't even imagine what it feels like to be those scouts,

460
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: like that's a powerful thing. It really is. It's something

461
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: that most of you wouldn't notice, and I don't blame you.

462
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: That's something that all those scouts notice, and that's a

463
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: place where other people around the league are gonna want

464
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: to work. So I think any of the gms that

465
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: send their assistant GM out, that send their scouts out,

466
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: probably have a pretty good work environment. Draft grades. They're

467
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: flying around everywhere, and I understand why people do it,

468
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: Like the written word has never generated less money. Everyone's like,

469
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 1: you're just doing this for clicks. Like you guys understand,

470
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: clicks don't get any money. Clicks is a dying business model.

471
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: You could argue it's dead, but it does get a

472
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: lot of engagement, definitely on social in some of these

473
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: companies like ESPN or whatever. Fucking does a reach around

474
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: for that. It couldn't be any dumber, It really couldn't.

475
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: You could put an F and A C, A B.

476
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: None of it means anything. I've been going to training

477
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: camps for almost fifteen years. Beside, like the top fifty

478
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: picks in the draft, no one has any clue. Like,

479
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: for the most part, I would say the top fifty

480
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: players not in the same order. But if you went

481
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: team by team, I'd say eighty to ninety percent. Have

482
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: forty of the fifty guys all grouped in some order.

483
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: We're all on board, like that's their value, that's where

484
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna get pick, give or take. And that's what happened.

485
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: Once you get past pick one hundred, no one has

486
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: any clue. Listen. I remember going to a Raider Ota

487
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: and my buddy on the staff after like two practices

488
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: was like, Khalil Mack is the best player on our team.

489
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: Now the team the roster wasn't as good. But the

490
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: point is, like the high end guys like Joe Walt

491
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: is probably gonna look good right away, Malik Neighbors is

492
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: gonna run around DB's in practice. But trying to give

493
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: a grade on four, fifth, six, seventh, even third round picks.

494
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: Do you know how often I've gone to training camps

495
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: and you're like, who's that guy making all these plays? Oh,

496
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: he's the undrafted free agent from Illinois, Like is he

497
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: already better than the fourth rounder? Or who the hell

498
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: is that guy? Oh, that's the seventh rounder from last year.

499
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: He's on the practice squad. He put on some weight,

500
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: he's a lot more comfortable, he looks really good, and

501
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that guy's taking the fourth rounders job,

502
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: and we love to talk about and rightfully so I

503
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: was like, eh, Jason Kelsey sixth rounder, George Kittle, Richard Sherman,

504
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: fifth rounders, Cousins, Dak fourth rounders. Those guys are outliers.

505
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Purdy is the greatest outlier in the history

506
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: of the league. So most guys in the middle rounds,

507
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: you have absolutely no clue. Some of them will have

508
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: five year careers, be special teamers, some of them will

509
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: turn into Pro bowlers. A lot of them will get

510
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 1: cut and just bounce around the league, or if they

511
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: do become good players, might not do it for that team.

512
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: We'll get cut, go on a practice squad, get pluck,

513
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: go to a different team, and get replaced on that

514
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: draft class by an undrafted free agent. Happens every single year.

515
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: It's not random that on average, like multiple undrafted free

516
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: agents make the team for every team. Well, they're taking

517
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: a spot. So just because you like a player mel

518
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: Kiper or Daniel Jeremiah, whoever, no different one than I

519
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: was a scout, Like, hey, I love this guy in

520
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 1: the fifth round. I have no clue how things are

521
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: going to play out. Injuries derailed careers. So trying to

522
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: give a draft grade on one of the great hell,

523
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: half the first round don't get second contracts with their

524
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: next team. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Chefter

525
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: ran the study. I just think and I get it.

526
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: I understand it. I'm in the business too, we're all

527
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: into entertainment. I read some of them, but I just

528
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: don't think any of it matters. Now, if we want

529
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: to talk about you had to draft this guy there,

530
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: totally understand. Could you have got this guy in the

531
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: fifth round and you took him in the third round?

532
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: Why did you take this player over that player? That's fair,

533
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: But giving a C grade or an A grade on

534
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: a group that we have half the guys we know

535
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: for a fact won't amount to shit. And how many

536
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: guys around the league like, oh, that's sixth rounder of

537
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: the team that didn't get a good grade all of

538
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: a sudden as they're starting corner for the next five

539
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: years and makes a couple of Pro Bowls, because that's

540
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: going to happen. Or the group of undrafted free agents, Wait,

541
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: you got three years as a starter from your undrafted

542
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: free agent, or this guy became your starting punt returner.

543
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: No one knows that, not even the teams. That's what

544
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 1: makes this fun is the great unknown, because Thursday, Friday,

545
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: Saturday is an entertainment product and it's cool. I mean

546
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: those videos of guys crying. Maria's like in tears watching

547
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: some of it. It's a powerful visual when the g

548
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: when the coach calls the player and he's there, especially

549
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: at his house with his mom, his dad, his grandparents,

550
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: his girlfriends, his buddies from high school in college. It

551
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: is really cool. It's a very genuine moment in a

552
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: day and age when it feels like everything we do

553
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: is a giant fugazi bullshit. It's cool. It's hard not

554
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: to really enjoy those videos. The Jared Verse video of

555
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: him running up the stairs to get on the phone

556
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: with his teammate from Florida State and having that guy

557
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: break out in tears is as good of a video

558
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: as you'll see in years in the draft. If you

559
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: don't get a little choked up on that, maybe we

560
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: don't have that much in common. The video where Chris

561
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: Ballard called a guy and he's like, am I getting

562
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: prank called right now, and it was like a legit question,

563
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: Are you prank calling me right now? He said no,

564
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: this is I'm the gym and he starts laughing. But

565
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: for anyone to have any clue what the nobody knows,

566
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: not a soul. Happens every year with coaching hires. Remember

567
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson was the worst coaching hier of his class.

568
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: Two years later outdueled Bill Belichick in the Super Bowl.

569
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: Joe Judge got like a B. Plus Joe Judge ran

570
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: a quarterback sneak on fourth and seven, backed up in

571
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: his own end zone. So I just think I get it,

572
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: but we all have to agree it is the dumbest

573
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: exercise in all of sports. I want to hit on

574
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: this because I saw this video go viral of Charles

575
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: Barkley on NBA T and T. He was wearing this

576
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: bracelet and Kenny Smith asked him where he got the bracelet,

577
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: and he said he got it in the steam room.

578
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: Because he was sitting in the steamer room. He started

579
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,239
Speaker 1: talking to the guy and the guy told him all

580
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: about this bracelet, how it has different sands from different

581
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: beaches all over the world, and Charles's like God that's

582
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: the coolest bracelet I ever seen. Like ten minutes later,

583
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: the dude came up to him in the locker room.

584
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: They're both in towels, sweating their ass off after the

585
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: steam room gives him the bracelet and Shaq is dying.

586
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: Charles doesn't know the guy's name. And people in the business,

587
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: especially former players, you see this a lot in the

588
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: Nba'm just trying to educate, like this is not educational.

589
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: That's what school is for. This is entertainment. When I

590
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: turn on my television for something a non game, I

591
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: want to be entertained. It's why I don't watch many

592
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: of the pre or postgame shows. They're boring. They don't

593
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: entertain me. That's why a couple of years ago, when

594
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: the NBC hired Drew Brees, my first reaction was, this

595
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: will fail. Not because Drew Brees isn't like one of

596
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: the highest character guys in league history, not because he's

597
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: not one of the great players of all time. He's

598
00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: just kind of boring. Matt Ryan today replaced Boomerasison. Boomer

599
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: Sisin has been a part of one of the biggest

600
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: radio shows in America for a long time. I don't

601
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: know the exact date, but I would guess twenty plus

602
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: years on WFAN in New York. He's not a former

603
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: quarterback anymore. He's an entertainer. And when I hear Boomer

604
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: on TV on his radio show, any clips sometimes all

605
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: be in the car he calls games for radio. He's

606
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: just entertaining, you know why. He's a lot like Troy Aikman.

607
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: He'll talk a little shit, and I just mean, like,

608
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: when he sees something, he'll just say it, where so

609
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: many former quarterbacks or former players who are fresh out

610
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: of the game refuse to ever say anything. It's like, guys,

611
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: we're all sitting here on our couch, we all just

612
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: witnessed the dumbest play call of all time. If you

613
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: can't acknowledge it, like, I don't want to listen to you.

614
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: I'm not looking for you to educate me on where

615
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: the right tackles feet should be snoozefest. So Matt Ryan

616
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: replaced Boomerasison. Matt Ryan a lot like Drew Brees, super smart,

617
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: high character, good looking, long resume in the NFL. He's

618
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: kind of boring, kind of boring, same cut from the

619
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: same cloth, not giving me anything. Won't say a word listen.

620
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: A lot of people think Fox's pregame show a little

621
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: out there terry. You know my loss is fastball. The

622
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: reason they like those guys entertainment. No one's looking to

623
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: break down the route tree on a given play. I've

624
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: seen those numbers of podcasts. They fail. So these networks

625
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: are all looking for new blood, and I think TNT

626
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: is a great example. Charles Barkley hasn't played in the

627
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: NBA in twenty five years. He's the most entertaining guy

628
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: on TV by a mile. He even myths like I

629
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: don't watch these teams. I don't care. Neither do I

630
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: so when I see these networks and CBS is a

631
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: little stiffer, but NBC kind of is too. Jason Garrett,

632
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, give me a fucking break. Who's making these decisions?

633
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 1: Definitely not us the consumer, because not in a million

634
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: years would we have made these decisions. Makes no sense.

635
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: These guys aren't entertaining now. Jason Kelsey is a good example.

636
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Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey has a massive podcast, He's a huge personality.

637
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: ESPN signing him. That makes a lot of sense. Why

638
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: he's a combination of them. Both Hall of Fame player

639
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: Long resume champion and entertaining. Totally get it. I would

640
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: hire that guy too. No one knows if it'll work,

641
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: but I bet it does. But just because you're entertaining,

642
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: Like I thought Rex Ryan would be good walks Rex Ryan,

643
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: I changed the channel. I think it's awful. So just

644
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: because a guy is quote unquote old or you didn't

645
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: watch him. I didn't watch Boomer Sizon win an MVP

646
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: in the eighties. I don't remember a snap and the

647
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: majority of you guys listening didn't either. No one cares.

648
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: If it's good and entertaining, entertaining, it's fine. If you're

649
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: thirty years old watching football. You never watched Troy Aikman play.

650
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: He's the biggest play by play analyst in America. Look

651
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: at Romo Fresh New Fun five years later, everyone's like, yeah,

652
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: it kind of sucks now. So new blood isn't always

653
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: better blood. This is entertainment. This is not education. Just

654
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: because you have quote unquote star power guys that have

655
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: established voices and are willing to say some stuff, that's

656
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: really Whenever someone asked me if they're gonna transition, like hey,

657
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: work in the league, kind of getting bored, or you know,

658
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: if kind of plateau should I go in the media.

659
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: I said, listen, if you're gonna do it, if you

660
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: want to be successful, you can't hold back. You gotta

661
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: let it rip, because that's how fans talk. And fans

662
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: are the ones that pay all of our salaries because

663
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: they think like us, sit on the sit on the couch,

664
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: talk shit about coaches when they make dumb decisions or

665
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: when their team loses, they get mad, they get emotional,

666
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: and some people just refuse to do it. I'll give

667
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning credit, he's kind of dipped his toe in.

668
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: But even he said, like, I'm not gonna be one

669
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: ripping people constantly. I don't want to do that. He

670
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: at least acknowledged it. Most of these people won't acknowledge it,

671
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: but deep down they don't want to do it, and

672
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: they won't do it. And to me, limit your ability

673
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: to be very entertaining. End with this tangent Tuesday. I'll

674
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: never forget years ago. It started really at ESPN when

675
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: everyone thought that the NFL was gonna end. The NFL

676
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: was over CTE, the lawsuits, football was gonna fail, it

677
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: was gonna sink like the Titanic, and ESPN celebrated it.

678
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: They had a lot of big j's with useless degrees,

679
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: hooting and hollering, you guys are done. It's over for Roger,

680
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: and it started with Goodell. They didn't like him. Let's

681
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: face it, Roger doesn't need the media at all, and

682
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: there's like a weird identity politics when it comes to

683
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: people in journalism. It's why I think they gravitate toward

684
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: Adam Silver because politically, socially they view him much more

685
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: like them, and he's nice to them, texts a lot

686
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: of them back, and they celebrate him. Even though this

687
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: NBA Playoffs is down about ten percent, and once the

688
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: Lakers are gone, good luck getting random people to watch

689
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: OKC in Minnesota, despite how much young talent they have. Objectively,

690
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: if Adam Silver ran any fortune five hundred company, he

691
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: would be run out. He would not have a job. Meanwhile,

692
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell has turned the NFL into, I mean, the

693
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: biggest thing I've ever seen. I've seen big things in sports,

694
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, but I've never seen a league

695
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: this powerful and this willing to constantly change, and it

696
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: constantly works. Moving to draft, I went to Radio City

697
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: when it was in New York City when I worked

698
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: for the Eagles, and it was cool my first time

699
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: ever in New York City. I remember going into Radio

700
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 1: City Music Hall. I'm like, this thing's badass, and they realized,

701
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: why don't we move this thing around the country? And

702
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: now I heard Peter Schrager tell the part of my take. Guys,

703
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: they had the national anthem. They had a flyover with

704
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people for an event where you

705
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: literally turn in a card with someone's name on it

706
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: and announce it. I remember being at Radio City Music Hall.

707
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, this event's really cool, but like it's not

708
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: like there's really anything going on. A dude just walks

709
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: up stage. And the draft I went to was like

710
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: was an all time great draft. It was twenty eleven,

711
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: so it was like Cam Newton, JJ Watt, Julio Jones,

712
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: AJ Green, Alden Smith, just some great players. I'm even

713
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: leaving something I think Tyron Smith. I mean it was

714
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: just an absolutely loaded group of future Pro bowlers and

715
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: even some Hall of famers and good Day. I was like, yeah,

716
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: this isn't good enough. Even though it was dominating. He's like,

717
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: let's go around the country. Even I thought like this

718
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: is kind of weird, and it hasn't just worked, it's

719
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: been a massive success. And the other thing I think

720
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: is when you turn on television on the draft and

721
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: you see all these people, whether it's Detroit, whether it's

722
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: in Ohio, whether it's in camp the city, it feels

723
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: even bigger than Radio City because of the fans. One

724
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,479
Speaker 1: thing we learned in twenty twenty is like if fans

725
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: aren't there, the games just aren't as good. It actually sucks.

726
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: Part of watching sports on television is the arena is

727
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: the vibe of the crowd. It matters. It changes our

728
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: experience as someone watching television. So why I've always said, listen,

729
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: I don't watch that much NBA anymore. But the playoffs

730
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: aren't bad. If you give me a good home court,

731
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: it's fun because you feel it on television. No different

732
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: in hockey. I don't watch any hockey playoffs like I'll

733
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: stop on a hockey game. Why the crowds are nuts?

734
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: It adds and that's what we've added with these crowds.

735
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: So I get the media hates Roger Goodell. A lot

736
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: of different variables there, but he's been a dominant, dominant

737
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: commissioner and he's He's just lapping people at this point.

738
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: It's like not even a fair fight. It's like Mike

739
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: Tyson in his prime getting in the ring with me

740
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: or you, So we might as well just jump out

741
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: of the ring. We got no shot. He's bullying everybody,

742
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean literally, So the draft, the vibes this again

743
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: will be one of the probably the most washed NFL

744
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: season ever, and that's gonna continue. I've said it forever,

745
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: not gonna continue forever. Not the way the world works. Eventually,

746
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: Rome Fell, eventually we will too. But for the foreseeable future,

747
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: Roger has this thing humming. Okay, mail back time. You

748
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: guys know. The drill at John Middlecoff is my Instagram

749
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: Fire in those dms at John Middlecoff DM, fire in

750
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: start with Danny longtime listener, first time DM. Or Assuming

751
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: that Caleb Williams can achieve his potential and become a

752
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: top ten quarterback, what do you believe is the ceiling

753
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: and floor for the Bears over the next three years? Well,

754
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: I think there are a couple elements here. If his

755
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: rookie season goes really really well, like CJ. Stroud, Let's

756
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: say let's say they make the playoffs. This year, ebra

757
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: Flus will get an extension and then you will be

758
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: tied to him running the operation for the foreseeable future.

759
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: If he becomes a really good player, but it takes

760
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: like a year like this season, he's just kind of

761
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: as the kids would say, mid ebra Flues gets fired

762
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: and it depends who the next coach is. Now. To me,

763
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: if they go eight to nine and ebra Flus is fired,

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00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to assume that they would hire

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00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: an offensive coach. Right you have this young quarterback, You've

766
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: invested all this in your offense, that you would want

767
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: an offensive coach who could also call place, which would

768
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: be the ideal set up I think in modern day football.

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00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: So I think eber Flus is now the question. Caleb

770
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: is no longer the question now. If he becomes really good,

771
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: regardless who the coach is, you're just gonna have a

772
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: good franchise. I mean, when you have a really good

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00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: quarterback who plays at a high level, the only way

774
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: you fail is if your coach is bad. Look at

775
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: the Chargers Brandon Staley. They had no shot when Brandon

776
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: Staley's your head coach. But if you get a high

777
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: end quarterback with a good coach, you're good every year.

778
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: The Ravens Lamar Jackson, Andy and Mahomes, Josh Allen and McDermott.

779
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: I'm talking playoffs every year in the playoffs are weird.

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00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: One game scenario, who's healthy? Home games, away games? Obviously

781
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: in that conference, there's a huge benefit if you're in Chicago,

782
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: if you're playing at home and you've built a good

783
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: outdoor team that you know, you get the Niners with

784
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: the Rams that aren't used to that weather. Right. But

785
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: so I think a lot is gonna hinge on this

786
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: specific season for the head coach. They make the playoffs,

787
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: he gets an extension. They missed the playoffs, I think

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00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: he's gone. You're not giving him extension if they missed

789
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: the playoffs. This isn't like I'm not anti or pro Iberflus.

790
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: I think he's been fine, but now we get to

791
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: really judge him and fair or not. There is a

792
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: ton of pressure to make the playoffs, which is a

793
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: lot to ask. I don't care if you're Kayleb Williams,

794
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning or me rookie quarterback NFL. It's hard with

795
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: quarterbacks going so high in the draft, how long until

796
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: the media catches up to front offices and starts ranking

797
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: even mediocre quarterbacks higher in the draft. Thanks keep up

798
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: the great content. I think in this draft, I think

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00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: everyone kind of acknowledged all these guys are gonna go high, right,

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00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: I think everyone Caleb had been the number one pick

801
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: for years. Jaden Daniels after the season was definitely viewed

802
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: like a top three or four pick. Drake May was

803
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: a top five pick coming into the season. JJ McCarthy

804
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: was a guy that it was clear the Vikings liked

805
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: a lot. Pennix just had a historic season. I thought

806
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: he was a first rounder, and the connections of Bo Knicks,

807
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: which might have been the only place he would have

808
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: gone but Sean Payton, were something people had been connecting

809
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: for two months. It felt like so. I actually think

810
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: for the first time the vibe on the quarterbacks now

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00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: we can argue is JJ twented enough to draft in

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00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: the top fifteen. I'm hesitant to draft guys with his

813
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: skill set in that mix because for every Alex Smith

814
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: we've seen, we've seen a lot of Candy Pickets, We've

815
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: seen a lot of Mac Jones. It is difficult, it is,

816
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: and Drake May's always get drafted in the top ten.

817
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: Guys that are that big with that much arm talent,

818
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: even if their film is a little up and down,

819
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: there's a long history those guys getting picked. Eye Peni's

820
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: a little bit of a late riser given his injury

821
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: history and how good he was his you know, six

822
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: season in college. But I think for the most part,

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00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: I feel like we'd been talking about quarterbacks going. I

824
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: mean a lot of people thought four quarterbacks were going

825
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: to go one through four. That would have been an

826
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: NFL record. But four quarterbacks go on the top whatever fourteen,

827
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: first time in NFL history. John, how long before we

828
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: see other NFL owners want to see Tepper sell the team?

829
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: He sent me the visual of David Tepper. I said

830
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: this on what would it have been Friday night, reacting

831
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: the second round. When I saw the video, Like most

832
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: people going viral, you could argue that it's you know,

833
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: he took off the guy's hat in jest, messing around

834
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: with him. It was it wasn't even that serious. But

835
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: I think he has enough incidents now where it's like, bro,

836
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: you're kind of embarrassing us, Like this whole thing is,

837
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: we don't need you here. There's a long line of

838
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: rich guys that we kick you out for now. They're

839
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: not gonna kick him out, but this is one of

840
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: those where he's getting a phone call and some owners

841
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: not being happy. You're allowed to say stupid things as

842
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: gems or his owners. Jerry Jones said he went all in,

843
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: clearly did not. Jed york Since said once upon a

844
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: time that character in terms of players means everything to him.

845
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: They drafted constantly questionable character. Guys. You're allowed to say

846
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: dumb things in press conferences when you're throwing drinks at fans,

847
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: when you're going into a small business owner and essentially

848
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: talking some shit. I don't think it was that big

849
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: a dease. It's not like he was bullying him to

850
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: sell his restaurant. Just becomes a bad look. And let's

851
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: face it, he's a little under the microscope now. As

852
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: I've said before, like he's used to doing whatever he wants,

853
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: whenever he wants, and if you get into his way

854
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: in business, he ruins your life. He can buy your business,

855
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: put you on the street. Remember the guy. I think

856
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 1: there was a famous story of one of his comp

857
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: his competitors back in the day. He bought his house

858
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: and then immediately leveled it. I forget the exact details

859
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: of the story, but he's not used to random people

860
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: that he does not view his equals being able to

861
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: call him an idiot and they don't care what he thinks.

862
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: And they're right to do that because so far his

863
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: ownership has been an embarrassment. Doesn't mean it can't change.

864
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: But it doesn't look like David Tepper is going to change.

865
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't view like he thinks he's been wrong. I

866
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: can't imagine a lot of people are in the league

867
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: are happy because it becomes kind of an embarrassing thing.

868
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: Imagine if a player threw a drink on a fan.

869
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: If a player did that, they'd get crushed and the

870
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: team would say something. But who who is gonna say

871
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: No one on the Panthers containing the thing to David Tepper.

872
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: So it's the owners in rage, which I would guarantee

873
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: you he's already been contacted. Now, ultimately, if you're David Tepper, like,

874
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? You're gonna take away with

875
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: my team? No, you're gonna reprimand me with a fine.

876
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: I have unlimited money, so I say, the only way

877
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 1: to make an impact on temper take away a draft

878
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: pick hurt the team that'll slow him down, or maybe

879
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: it won't. Would you be able to rate the Chargers

880
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: overall draft? Love the direction of the new team, and

881
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: Brendan Rice as well. I struggle with this one because,

882
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: like the draft grades, I think philosophically, you saw them do.

883
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh thinks offensive tackle pick five, which was the

884
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: most obvious thing. I thought they would take all if

885
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: they would have taken it late them would have understood

886
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: that as well. But taken all, Like that's Jim Harball.

887
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: Why don't you take Mitchell from Texas? Yeah, he doesn't

888
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: really like playing with those guys. Give me a sweet

889
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: slot receiver who can get me on third and six,

890
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: Get me a first down because on first second down

891
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: I might be running the football. He takes the linebacker

892
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: from Michigan that he knows really well. That's all I have.

893
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: I don't have their draft in front of my head.

894
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: But Brandon Rice a big, physical wide receiver, not the

895
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: sexiest guy. A couple of years ago, he's playing at Colorado,

896
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: transferre to USC Jerry Sun. He played with a lot

897
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: of like Peebles Jones, Michael Crabtrees, Doug Baldwins. He does

898
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: not need sexy wide receivers to win. I like sexy

899
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: wide receivers like some of my favorite players in the NFL, Davante, Justin, Jefferson,

900
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, Tyreek Kill Like these guys are fun to watch.

901
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 1: It's not who Jim Harbaugh has on his team. Look

902
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 1: at John won a lot of games with some random

903
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: wide receivers. You could argue Za Flowers is like their

904
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: first kind of sexy wide receiver in a long time.

905
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: Didn't he go to the Super Bowl with and Kwan?

906
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: Who are two wide receivers and Kwan like Tory Smith.

907
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: This isn't a mail bag because I've always wanted to

908
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: do one but can't come up with a question. But

909
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: either way, I needed you to see this grade. On

910
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: the first pick from Pete Prisco, I would have taken

911
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels. He gave the Bears inn a minus. Draft grades.

912
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: First round Giants earned a plus from Elik Neighbors Vikings

913
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: get C plus for JJ McCarthy. You guys know where

914
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: I stand. Draft grades moronic. There were people that thought

915
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels in twenty twenty three. There were people that

916
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: think he was better than Caleb Williams in twenty twenty three.

917
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: Now the body of work for two and a half

918
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: years because Caleb played half of his freshman season when

919
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: they benched Spencer Rattler. Uh, it's not even close. But

920
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: just this year, in a vacuum, you could make the

921
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: argument Jaden was better. I saw Lewis Riddick, who I

922
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: worked for with the Eagles. He said he liked Jayden

923
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: Moore as a player. One thing was Spencer Rattler. Uh.

924
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: He was drafted I think in the fifth round by

925
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: the Saints. Pretty sure it was the Saints, and you know,

926
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: it kind of went viral after he was picked. I

927
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: think rap sheet said that he talked to a lot

928
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: of teams and every time he talked to the team,

929
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: the Netflix special came up and he did a Netflix

930
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: special when he was in high school. He went to

931
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: high school here in Arizona. And if you watch that

932
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: Netflix special and I did, I mean, this is whatever

933
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: four years ago, five years ago, it was it was cringe.

934
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: It was a rough watch and a lot of people

935
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: in the league said it was hard to shake that.

936
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: And I think there are two to look at that. One.

937
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: If you do something as a player when you're young.

938
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: Things now are documented. I am very very fortunate, just

939
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: like I'm sure many people listening that camera phones and

940
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: videos and social media did not exist when I was

941
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: in high school and college. Very very lucky. There are

942
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: a lot of things that they would have gone on

943
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: there for ninety nine percent of my generation and definitely

944
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: generations before that would have been a problem. Well, that's

945
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: what these guys have to deal with. And when you

946
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: when you accept to do a Netflix special and it

947
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: makes you look bad, like that's there forever now. I'd

948
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: also say, like we all look back and say something

949
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: I did in two thousand and five when I was

950
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: twenty one years old, I don't even know that person. Hell,

951
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to relate to John Middlecoff. I

952
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: just went third person at thirty two years old. At

953
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: twenty five years you should constantly be changing and getting

954
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: better and proving as a human. So Shane Beemer at

955
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 1: South Carolina, I think has gone on record have said, like, listen,

956
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: the guy we've had around, ask his teammates, ask the

957
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: people in the building, like people change. I don't think

958
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: he's that good of a player, but in the fifth

959
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: round whatever, the Netflix thing if Shane Biemer in the

960
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: South Carolina programs, Like, I'm telling you, this guy's a

961
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: lot different. Like we grow, sometimes men mature a little slow.

962
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: Welcome to life wouldn't have bothered me that much, but

963
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: I do understand where people do get a little bothered

964
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: by it because of the position he plays. If it

965
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: was wide receiver or safety, no one would have cared

966
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: for the mailbag. Do you think the Chargers did a

967
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: good job in the draft. I was never in the

968
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: wide receiver at five unless Harrison Junior was there. I

969
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: like the coroner cam Hart. He lacked ball instincts, but

970
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: he's amazing in coverage. He gave up zero touchdowns this

971
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: season and is a willing tackler. Getting him in the

972
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: fifth looks like a steal. I think the key to

973
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,959
Speaker 1: a lot of players on the third day, what makes

974
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: or breaks them is the scheme fit. Like, if you

975
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: don't run that fast as a corner, well, if a

976
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: man demand team drafts you, you're gonna look terrible. But

977
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: if you don't run that fast and you have a

978
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator that sits in zone defense, Richard Sherman went

979
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: to Seattle. It was the perfect spot. Zone defender, great tackler,

980
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: elite ball skills. George Kittle drafted in the fifth round.

981
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: He went to a team that runs the ball a lot.

982
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: So what happened. Immediately lined up with the line of

983
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: scrimmage and blocked, and then from there because of the scheme,

984
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: the play action, he's fast, he got a lot of

985
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: wide open routes and started excelling. I remember remember talking

986
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,439
Speaker 1: to George years ago and he's like, early on, you realize, Kyle,

987
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: how special the places was for me because when he

988
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: call my routes when I was a young player, he'd

989
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: be like, George, you're gonna be wide open after we

990
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: run these seven run plays and everyone bites and the

991
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: linebacker won't even see you go buy him because he's

992
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: gonna hit the whole so hard thing and it's a run.

993
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: And George would be like, Yeah, this can't be that easy.

994
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: And then the game would come and I'd be wide

995
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: open and he's fast, and he'd have a seventy yard run.

996
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: You know, touchdown is George Kittle. George Kittle, if he

997
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: goes to a different team, he's obviously an elite talent,

998
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: same with Richard Sherman. But the scheme matters a lot

999
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: for your early success. So offensive lineman, right, if I'm

1000
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: not a powerful guy and I go to a team

1001
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: that is asking me to run like gap schematic, like

1002
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: I need you to push this guy back four yards

1003
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: for this to succeed, or you to pull and kick

1004
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: this guy out, it might be a problem. But if

1005
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm not that powerful but a great athlete, and I'm

1006
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: in a zone running scheme and I'm not asking you

1007
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: to push the guy backwards, I'm asking you to use

1008
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: your feet and positional block and then the running back

1009
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: picks the hole after that much easier for you to succeed,

1010
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: and vice versa. The power guys who don't have the

1011
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: foot quickness can struggle in some of the zone schemes. Now,

1012
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: a lot of teams do it all now, but there's

1013
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: a reason some offensive linemen are better with certain teams

1014
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: and not as good with other teams. And that works

1015
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: at every position. What am I asking you to do?

1016
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: And as a player being drafted, especially on you know, fifth, sixth,

1017
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: seventh round, I have no control over any of this.

1018
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: That's why as an undrafted free agent, they often say

1019
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: it's better to be an undrafted free agent than a

1020
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: late seventh round pick. Because if I'm a tight end

1021
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: and they're drafting me in the seventh round, if I'm

1022
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: going to a team with an all pro tight end,

1023
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: a really good backup, and a dude they drafted the

1024
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: previous year in the fourth round, I'm never gonna make

1025
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: the team. But if I'm an undrafted free agent, my

1026
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: agent would never let me go to that team. He'd

1027
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: be like, let's sign with this other team that has

1028
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: only one good tight end. He's gonna be a free

1029
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: agent after this year. Hell, you have a good training camp,

1030
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: you might be the backup. Obviously, sometimes it works out,

1031
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't. Now big picture, I always think the

1032
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: cream rises and you're gonna find a spot with a

1033
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: different team. But it makes the path a little harder.

1034
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: Question for the Mailbang long time Panther fan Slash Suffer

1035
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: after free agency in the recent draft, what are some

1036
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: realistic expectations for the Panthers this year and do you

1037
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: think they would move off Brice Is if he has

1038
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: another year like last year. In regards to they upgraded

1039
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: the weapons at a running back High Brooks. They drafted

1040
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: the South Carolina wide receiver. This is off the top

1041
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: of my head pick thirty two Lagette Who. A lot

1042
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: of people like I think this is a unique case

1043
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: given what they gave up. You know, we just saw

1044
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: this last crop at quarterbacks. You know, Justin Fields was

1045
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: in trouble early on this season. Mac Jones almost got

1046
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: benched in the offseason, right. I think this guy's getting

1047
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: three years because of what they traded for. Now, if

1048
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: his year looks like it looked last year, just like

1049
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: unplayable at times, then I do think in the off

1050
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: season they would be in the mix to sign, you know,

1051
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: a bridge type quarterback and just quote unquote compete. But

1052
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: I think this is the rare case where even if

1053
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: he's atrocious through two seasons, that he's almost getting at

1054
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: least half of the second or the third year. Think

1055
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: of what they traded for. You could argue right now

1056
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: it's one of the worst trades of all time because

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01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: you can put players to it. The tackle last year,

1058
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: DJ Moore, Caleb Williams that alone, because think about this,

1059
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: you wouldn't trade straight up Caleb Williams for Braishow. There's

1060
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: not a soul in the NFL, including the Panthers, that

1061
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: would do that trade. You would not trade Dj Moore

1062
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: straight up for Caleb Williams. And I'm pretty sure the

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01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: Bears have a second round pick next year because of

1064
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: the Panthers. So they've invested so much. You got to

1065
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: give it a little time. And I think this year,

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01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, six wins and just look like you're

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01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: kind of trending in the right direction. I think you're

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01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: the lockworst team in that division. I mean, the Bucks

1069
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: bring everyone back, they had a good draft. I mean

1070
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: they're just good. They're solid, they're you know, if Baker's

1071
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: just solid, they should be nine ten wins. Again, the

1072
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: Saints were right there this year. If Derek is just

1073
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: better now with Kubiak as the offensive coordinator, they could

1074
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: be nine to ten wins. Whom I'm missing Saints Falcons.

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01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: Of the Falcons, they were right there too to the

1076
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. They didn't have a quarterback. Now

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01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: they got two, so they usually could be nine ten wins. Like,

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01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: there's a gap between you and those three teams. Well,

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01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: I think we all acknowledge that six six and eleven, Like,

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01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: would you sign up for six and eleven right now?

1081
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: Because is there a chance you're the worst team in

1082
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: the NFL? Again, is your coach any good? Look at

1083
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: his resumes? It was a lifetime position coach. One year

1084
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: at offensive coordinator, then becomes a head coach. Love the Pod,

1085
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: longtime listener, first time mailbagger. I too, live in Arizona,

1086
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: Gilbert and curious your current thoughts on the local franchise.

1087
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm traditionally a Seahawks Broncos fan, but this year I'm

1088
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: most excited to see how the Cardinals play. I've heard

1089
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: you speak Kylie Jonathan Gannon. Given their recent draft twelve selections,

1090
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: offseason moves, Jonah Williams, Murphy Bunning, Mac Wilson, is it

1091
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: feasible to think the Cardinals could finish second in the division.

1092
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: I think there's a pretty wide gap. I think the

1093
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: Niners and Rams are both. One team wins twelve thirteen,

1094
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: the other wins eleven. The Rams are very you know

1095
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: Stafford who's been banged up before. If he got hurt,

1096
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: they would be in a little trouble. They did signed

1097
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, but Jimmy was terrible last year, but he'll

1098
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: be better with the Rams. Uh. I think there's a

1099
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: wide gap. Now. I like you more than Seattle because

1100
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: of your quarterback situation. You both have young defensive coaches,

1101
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: but Jonathan Gannon now has a year under his belt. Kyler,

1102
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: I take Kyler over Gino Smith. I don't care what

1103
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: the stats say over the course of the year. I

1104
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of pressure on Marvin Harrison. I

1105
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: really do, and I think he's a good player. I'm

1106
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: not some Marvin Harrison hater, but this is a text

1107
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: I got from one of the top wide receiver coaches

1108
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: in the league. My question about Rome and Marvin Harrison

1109
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: Junior is are they ready to be the guy from

1110
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: day one? This is a text I got. Are they

1111
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: ready to be the best wide receiver in the room

1112
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: starting in OTAs? Because now they get Ramsey the first

1113
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: play of the game. It's different when you're the first rounder,

1114
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: but you're not the best white out in the room

1115
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: right away. But when you're the best white out in

1116
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: the room from day one, it's on immediately now. Obviously, Rome,

1117
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: because he went to the Bears, doesn't have to deal

1118
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: with that. He said, if Junior goes to Arizona, he

1119
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: better get his mind right. These dudes ain't on nil

1120
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: money watching tiktoks all day. You're going against a dude

1121
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: that is twenty eight to twenty nine years old, two

1122
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: kids at home, three g wagons, and three Pro Bowls

1123
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: under his belt. And his point was, and Marvin Harrison

1124
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: was his top wide receiver. But it's the mentality, like

1125
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: you're showing up and you're playing probe guys who are

1126
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: making fifteen to twenty million dollars most weeks, and because

1127
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: of the team you're on, that guy's coming at you.

1128
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,439
Speaker 1: And the defensive coordinator, who on any given week could

1129
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: be making three to five million dollars, is spending all

1130
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: week knowing Kyler is gonna want to throw it to you.

1131
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: It's difficult, Like there aren't purdues and ruckers on the schedule.

1132
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: So Marvin Harrison could go on to be a great

1133
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: player in the NFL. Your one could be kind of tough.

1134
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: It's not like he's Marvin Harrison junior, along with Larry Fitzgerald,

1135
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: along with an Kwon Bolden, along with AJ Green. I mean,

1136
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: they've had some really good wide receivers over the years.

1137
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: But right now, it's like Martin Harrison Junior, He's gonna

1138
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: get a lot of targets and you who knows that

1139
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: the other team and this is just another level which

1140
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: this is where Rome really benefits. He's like, I get

1141
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: to be the third wide receiver. If you tell me

1142
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: Rome has fifty catches and seven touchdowns, you're one. Very believable.

1143
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: I would like Rome less as a rookie if DJ

1144
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 1: Moore and Keenan Allen weren't on the team and it

1145
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: was just some other random wide receivers. It's hard because

1146
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: they scheme and they develop the game plan all for you. Well,

1147
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 1: if we hold you under five catches this, you've got

1148
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: no shot, no trade. McBride's a good player. Yeah, I'm

1149
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: interested in Arizona for sure. I think I think Mani

1150
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: Asinford's pretty good, and I think Kyler is kind of

1151
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: a unique head scratching player. But no one can argue

1152
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: as talent. There the pressure on Marvin Harrison starting day one,

1153
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: and a lot has to do with his name. His

1154
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: dad's one of the best players of all time. I

1155
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: saw this clip, I think from ESPN where they did

1156
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:18,959
Speaker 1: a sit down with Senior and Junior and Marvin Harrison.

1157
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,600
Speaker 1: The dad said told Marty Smith, He's like, you know

1158
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,719
Speaker 1: the difference of me, me and my son. He said

1159
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: on Monday when I didn't have. I had five catches

1160
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 1: for seventy I was the first guy in the room saying,

1161
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on? Get me the football, Payton, Hey, coach,

1162
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,839
Speaker 1: this ain't good enough. They always knew where I stood

1163
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: when I wasn't getting the ball, Give me the rock.

1164
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: And then they asked Marvin Junior, have you ever done that?

1165
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 1: And he kind of laughed. He's like, guesh, It's not

1166
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: really my style. And that's kind of what this coach

1167
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: is talking about. Like, you gotta be wired like a

1168
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: nut job in the NFL to be a great player,

1169
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: whether you're a wide receiver, whether a d lineman or

1170
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: whether you are a quarter. And part of being a wide receiver,

1171
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: especially with the hype and being the number one, guys

1172
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,719
Speaker 1: like you got to demand that pill like DeVante Adams,

1173
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, justin Jefferson jamar Cha demanding the ball from

1174
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: the moment they step in the huddle and the pressure

1175
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: when you're the fourth overall pick and you're the arguably,

1176
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: I mean, how many players do the Cardinals have that

1177
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: are better than Marvin Harrison Junior. Probably less than three.

1178
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: So he's immediately one of the best players, if not

1179
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 1: the best player on the team tough spot, it's easier

1180
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: like Tank Dell. You just kind of get to ease in.

1181
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: Then you become a really good player. Slid with the

1182
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: Niners like Deebo and a youth, they kind of got

1183
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: to ease in and then they kind of be. There's

1184
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: no easing in for Marvin Harrison Junior. If I tell

1185
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: you right now, Marvin Harrison Junior's rookie years like forty

1186
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: eight catches, four touchdowns. I got expected a little more. Hey,

1187
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: John big fan, seventeen years old and just started my

1188
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: own podcast. What advice can you give? Just keep doing

1189
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: the baby consistency. The number one can key to me

1190
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: is can just do it NonStop, whether that's every day,

1191
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 1: whether it's every other day, and don't like, oh I

1192
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: don't really feel like doing it today, or oh there's

1193
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: nothing to talk about the only way to get better

1194
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: is to constantly do it. Don't worry early on you're

1195
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: seventeen years old, how many people are listening. Put it

1196
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: on YouTube, Put it on obviously the podcast feed, cut

1197
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: it up, put it on an Instagram feed. Put it

1198
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: on TikTok for all the kids. While TikTok is still legal, LinkedIn.

1199
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: But you gotta do it. You can't just like, oh,

1200
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 1: we'll do two podcasts this week and then no podcasts

1201
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: for two weeks. If you notice, like I do these

1202
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: things every day now, I approach it like a daily

1203
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: radio show. I don't have to do that, but I

1204
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 1: just do. And I've been doing podcasts now for a decade,

1205
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: and there are days, like anyone else, like I don't

1206
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: really feel like doing it today. I'm not really that

1207
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: I didn't do it. You just gotta do it. Okay, Last,

1208
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 1: but not least, Raider Fan Big Fan Raiders had a

1209
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: solid draft quick question. I was watching all the highlights

1210
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: I could find on Bowers and noticed he was wearing

1211
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: an armband in which he plays just like a quarterback wears.

1212
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: I haven't seen this before. Is this a new thing?

1213
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: That's some good scouting by you. Maybe it's I don't know.

1214
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: I'd have to ask my friends that went through the

1215
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: SEC what he wears the armband for. Maybe he's like

1216
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback has the play calls on there so they

1217
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: can do special audibles for him. I don't know. I mean,

1218
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: I'm honest to god, I can't answer your question. But

1219
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: that's a great pick. I told Colin the other day,

1220
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: I think two teams that would do anything for Redo

1221
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: this offseason would be the Raiders and the Falcons. The

1222
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: Raiders would have given the money they gave to Christian

1223
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: Wilkins to Kirk Cousins, and the Falcons would have given

1224
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,799
Speaker 1: the money they gave to Kirk Cousins to Christian Wilkins.

1225
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 1: They would have flip flopped. Michael Pennix would be the

1226
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: Falcons quarterback and Kirk Cousins would be the Raiders quarterback.

1227
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 1: Because if I told you right now the Raiders had Kirk Cousins,

1228
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: like seriously, with all those players, Raiders would be pretty interesting.

1229
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 1: And if I told you the Falcons Penix was their starter,

1230
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins was out of the defense. God, it's an

1231
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:26,759
Speaker 1: interesting team too. Instead, one team's got two quarterbacks, Raiders

1232
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: kind of have none. I know Minshew was solid last year,

1233
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 1: but I don't think the Raiders can compete in the

1234
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: AFC with Minshew. You could argue the Colts did, but

1235
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: Shane Stikeen is an elite play caller. Isn't Luke Getzi

1236
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: your guys play caller? I like what the Raiders do.

1237
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: I mean their first two picks were excellent, and they

1238
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 1: already have some high end players, but they have no

1239
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 1: quarterback that I can believe in, and it's not even

1240
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: their fault, Like, what are they supposed to do? They can't,

1241
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: They couldn't have taken Bo Nicks, and they probably didn't

1242
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 1: expect the Falcons to Michael Pennix because the Falcons don't

1243
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: take Michael Penix. I think Michael Penix ends up on

1244
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 1: the Raiders and Brock Bowers is one of my favorite

1245
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: players in the draft. But I think we all agree

1246
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 1: you would give up Brock Bowers to have Panicks so

1247
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 1: you have a quarterback. But that's not the way the

1248
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: cookie crumbles sometimes. So I don't know why Bowers is

1249
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: wearing that thing, but he's a stud now. They just

1250
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: got to find a way to get him the ball,

1251
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:25,759
Speaker 1: the volume