1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break? 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 3: Yes? 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: Are you ready for a break? 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 4: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 4: Were with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Nick Harris and 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 4: Derek Eagleton. 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 5: It is Monday, December second, twenty twenty four, Season twenty, 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 5: episode number seventy seven. Welcome the latest edition. 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: All the Break. 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 5: We are life from SWBC Mortgage Studios. 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: At the Start. 16 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 5: PRIs presented by LG. LG is the world's number one 17 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 5: O lead TV brand for eleven years in counting. See 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 5: why at LG dot Com Forward slash O lead EVO. 19 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: How's Everybody's Thanksgiving? 20 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 3: Two words? 21 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 6: Derek Hookham, There we go, baby. 22 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: Go, Let's go. 23 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 5: I haven't been that excited about a game since maybe 24 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 5: two thousand and five. 25 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: That was Nervers for you? 26 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: Oh man, that was pretty nice. 27 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 3: Id you like that block punt? 28 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: There are so many moments in that game. 29 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 3: You sweat those games more than Cowboy games, yes, not 30 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 3: even close. 31 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: And part of it is. 32 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 5: Part of it is this for me is very It's 33 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 5: it's very because I've worked in this profession. It feels 34 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 5: like my motives are very different, like and it's and 35 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 5: I've done it for so long now to where I 36 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 5: just kind of like some of it. 37 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: I'm a little bit numb to. 38 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 5: But but my my college man, I wear that on 39 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 5: my sleep. 40 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 6: I mean, even with the twelve team playoffs, the losses 41 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 6: still still do mean a lot more than the losses 42 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 6: in the NFL. So there's there's a lot more on 43 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 6: the line weekend and week out, I feel like at least. 44 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: But but yeah, as crazy how they decide to think 45 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: it's twelve twelve teams. 46 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 5: It's gonna be a lot of good games in that 47 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 5: playoff I'm looking for. 48 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 6: So I went to Texas and North Texas, so I 49 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 6: just kind of rep both. If they were to ever 50 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 6: play each other, I know what would happen, but I'd 51 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 6: show up in Green. 52 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: So so that means you're in no Texas guy? Yeah, okay, yes, fair, 53 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: as long as you don't say Texas Texas A and M. 54 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 3: They don't know. 55 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 7: I Like, I know, money goes to Texas, so I'm 56 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 7: in Texas going now. 57 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 5: It's tough how many days a week does Brian have 58 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 5: L s U gear on three day three at least 59 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 5: three week. 60 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: I love l SU no doubt you should. 61 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: You should. 62 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 5: It's a great school and man, when you send your 63 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 5: money there when you got and by the way, I 64 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 5: tell people this all the time, college is where you 65 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 5: have some of the greatest memories of your's if you 66 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 5: do it right. If you do college right, you should 67 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 5: have some of the greatest memories of your life outside 68 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 5: of probably marriage and kids, you should have some of 69 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 5: the greatest memories of your life in college. 70 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 2: So of course you're going to root hard for him. 71 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: Well, you know, to your point, though, Bennett, Bennett my 72 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: son has been very fortunate. He's been two. He went 73 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 3: went to Tuscaloosa, sawt Texas win, and he was on 74 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 3: his way to Michigan. You know, he messed that up. 75 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 3: He had it wired to go when he messed up 76 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: the ticket deal, or he'd have been there and then 77 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: to watch a game at Kyle Field for them to 78 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 3: win there. Yeah, I mean he's on a little bit 79 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 3: of a role with these the way Texas. 80 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: Send him to the championship. 81 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: He was going to get a hold of you. He 82 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: was going to get a hold of you because he 83 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 3: has a ticket, but he's got a final on Friday 84 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: and one on Monday. And I think he was going 85 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 3: to try and get a hold of you seeing if 86 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: you wanted his ticket to Atlanta. It's it's the only one. 87 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: It's only ticket. Now hard on a plane. 88 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 5: See, my wife is also a Texan, and anytime I go, 89 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 5: she's kind of like, well what about me? 90 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 3: I want to go, But he's got a ticket, and 91 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 3: but he can't. He's got a final on Friday and 92 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 3: one on Monday. He said, no, I can't make it, 93 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 3: So nobody said he goes. I sent him your contact information. 94 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 5: I thought you were saying he was going to call 95 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 5: me so that I could call some of his professors 96 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 5: to see if I. 97 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: Was going to say I wasn't that great a student. 98 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: So I don't know how that's gonna work. 99 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: He just he was thinking about somebody that really could 100 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 3: use a ticket, that would really enjoy the game, and. 101 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 5: Maybe maybe Clarence Hillah, we know he always wants to 102 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 5: night game. 103 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: That's why you know you maybe could pull it off. Yeah, 104 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: because it's some Monday night game next week exactly. You know, 105 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: Southwest gets there. 106 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: I know, some people tell him call me, he's got 107 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 2: your number. 108 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 6: That might be interested. 109 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 5: But let's get to some Cowboys football. I actually had to. 110 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 5: As I started doing my rundown for the show. I 111 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 5: was having a hard time because I kept thinking, and 112 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 5: I'm thinking of moments from that game, and I kept 113 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 5: thinking of Texas moments because I had to kind of 114 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 5: in my mind, they stopped thinking Texas. Let's think Cowboys. 115 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 5: Let's start first. Where do you guys, what would you 116 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 5: guys say is the story of this game? Going back 117 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 5: to Thursday, Cowboys versus the Giants. 118 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 6: To Marvin Overshown, he was a game wrecker, not only 119 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 6: the pick six, but you know, flying to the ball, 120 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 6: being as active as he was. There's other bright spots 121 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,799 Speaker 6: to look at. But when I look at the story 122 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 6: of the game, it was a Marvin Overshown day. That's 123 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 6: that's gonna be the game we look back on something 124 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 6: that really served as a launch pad for his entire career. 125 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 6: I think he's playing at a pro Bowl pace. In 126 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 6: my opinion, I think this is a This is a 127 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 6: guy who is more than deserving of that. If you 128 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 6: look at the tackles he's accounting for, you look at 129 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 6: the impact he makes not only in past rush but 130 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 6: also in coverage. He does a lot of things. And 131 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 6: so I'm a big overshown guy, and I think this 132 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 6: was the overshown game. 133 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: Zach Martin is highly overrated at right guard. 134 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 5: Him. 135 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 6: There's a conversation not that it's not I don't think 136 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 6: it's should. 137 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: Be the starting right guard. 138 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 8: No. 139 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 3: I will say this though, that this offensive line, they 140 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: the Giants, we talked about it in the short time 141 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: we got to visit about them, struggled to defend the run, 142 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: and you know, and and Rico Dabble, they loaded up, 143 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: got some some quality runs. The offensive line I thought 144 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 3: did a really nice job, especially dealing with their defensive 145 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 3: tackles with Lawrence and stuff like that. So you know, 146 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 3: give give give brock Hoffman once again, give give Mike 147 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: Solari and this group a lot of credit. You know, 148 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 3: that's a difficult front that they're there. That's where the 149 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 3: really the Giants their strength of their defense. So it's 150 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 3: those down linemen, and they did a pretty good job 151 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: holding up in protection wise and then being able to 152 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: run the football. And Rico Daddle was was very very 153 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: good in this football game. And so tip of the 154 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: cap to the offensive line and brock Hoffman once again 155 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 3: filling in and getting the job done. 156 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 7: See, I I wanted a lot of times to get 157 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 7: really excited, but then remember it is against the Giants, 158 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 7: like it was with the Giants. But at the same time, 159 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 7: you know, it's still a professional football team. So during 160 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 7: the NFL for a reason too, despite how bad their 161 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 7: season is going, they're still all athletes and it was 162 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 7: very encouraging just to see some positive things that the 163 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 7: offense was was doing. The Cowboys offense and you talk 164 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 7: about a Rico Dallen, but in the running game, I 165 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 7: know Derek has been asking and begging for them to 166 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 7: run the ball, and we saw them being capable of 167 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 7: doing that. When they do decide to commit to their run, 168 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 7: they can get it moving. So positive things from the 169 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 7: from the offense as far as just improvement in general 170 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 7: and kind of seeing Cooper Rush become kind of the 171 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 7: same quarterback that he was a couple of years When 172 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 7: was that? 173 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 3: What year was that? Two years ago? 174 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 7: Two years ago? Uh, when Dak was hurt. But also 175 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 7: the defense again winning and that energy is contagious and 176 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 7: you're just gonna it's infectious and everybody is gonna bring 177 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 7: their playing level up. You're looking at a team that 178 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 7: is not looking to tank the whole tanking's theory and story. 179 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 7: That was clear when you saw that the Cowboys play 180 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 7: against the Giants on Thanksgiving. Nobody hears looking to tank 181 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 7: the season. They're going out there playing and doing what 182 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 7: they can do the best that they can do with 183 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 7: what they currently have. 184 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 6: The only tank going on is Tank Lawrence potentially coming 185 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 6: back next Monday. 186 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: By the way, I watched him, I was walking. I 187 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: took a peek out the window as I was walking 188 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,559 Speaker 3: over here last week, and I saw him and Britt 189 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: Brown going at it pretty good. And that was incouraging. No, No, 190 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: that wascurging. He was exactly we all go after Britt 191 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: that way, but yelling geez. But the thing about is 192 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: he was he was. They were working hard, and you know, 193 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: and that was encouraging to me. In my mind, I'm thinking, like, Okay, 194 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 3: this is getting this getting serious over there, so you know, 195 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: hopefully you can you can get that thing squared back up. 196 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 3: That'd be very nice. 197 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 6: I have an apology to make to Osa Digizua. You know, 198 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 6: we were talking about it last week about guys who 199 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 6: you know were on expiring contracts that should maybe be 200 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 6: deserving to coming back next year. He played really well, 201 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 6: and he played. 202 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: Really thinking whether you would I spend that money? 203 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 6: I am, I am, I am rethinking that, especially considering 204 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 6: how much you are going to have to fill this offseason. 205 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 3: Bring him back him? Okay, you can only afford one 206 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: him or Lewis that should I save that for yesterday 207 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 3: Tomorrow's Tuesdays. 208 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 5: So that's a good conversation because I have an answered, 209 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 5: But I think that's a good conversation. 210 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: I'd love to know other opinions. 211 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: And when just saw the pain in your face. By 212 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: the way, there's like three teams I would love to 213 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 3: be playing right now. Love to play the Saints, yeah, 214 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 3: I love to play the Falcons. Love to play the 215 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: forty nine Ers. 216 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 217 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, See that just shows that just shows you. Now, 218 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: you're not great on offense right now, and that could be, 219 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 3: but you're you're going the right way on defense. You're 220 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: going the right way with your pressure packages, playing the 221 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 3: run defense. You know, you get tanked back potentially. You know, 222 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: if you could play the Saints, the Falcons and the 223 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: forty nine Ers again, that might be different story. You're 224 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: not gonna. I don't think different story versus Baltimore or Philadelphia. 225 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 3: But those are three games early in the year that 226 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: are just going to probably haunt you. 227 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 5: Although I will tell you this, the one thing about 228 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 5: Baltimore and the way the Cowboys came back in that game, 229 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 5: Baltimore's had some issues with it. 230 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: It's all year and that's been an all year thing. 231 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 5: And if they if Dallas were playing right at that time, 232 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 5: like the run defense particularly is playing now, I think 233 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 5: that's a little bit of a different Bob. 234 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: I'm only saying this because of the defense. I'm not 235 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: saying this because of the. 236 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 2: Offense right exactly. 237 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 3: And we're going to watch the Cincinnati tape this week 238 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 3: and we're going to be terrified of their offense. Yeah, 239 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 3: we're gonna like, oh my gosh. But the one thing 240 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 3: you have is your defense is playing better your offense. 241 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: I mean, it's coming down. You're having a score on 242 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: pick six's and kickoff returns. You know that that's not 243 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 3: going to be something you could travel with all the time. 244 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 3: But man, I mean, if you could play those three 245 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 3: teams again with the way your defense is playing now 246 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 3: or playing better that, I think those would be different 247 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: outcomes we do. 248 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 5: Yep, all right, let's let's talk about the offense from 249 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 5: this last game against the Giants. Rico Dawdle for in 250 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 5: my opinion, really the first time all year has shown 251 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 5: what I thought he really could be. You could say 252 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 5: the game before this they started seeing shades of it. 253 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 5: Obviously got him to what is it's eighty seven yards. 254 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 5: I think he was total in that previous game. But 255 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 5: this game he runs twenty two carries for one hundred 256 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 5: and twelve yards, a five point one average, a touchdown. 257 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 5: It really felt like in this game they were committed 258 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 5: to him. Now there was a period and I want. 259 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: To see what they run it all the way down 260 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: in three straight passes. 261 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean there was like three different there 262 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: were three. 263 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 3: I stood up and yelled. 264 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was on the table, our end, our end. 265 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 3: I stood up and went and got something to drink. 266 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 3: I said enough, Like what are you doing? I'm like, enough, 267 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 3: enough enough. 268 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 2: It's just one of those things. I'm like, it's working. 269 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, when you find something that's working, keep That forced 270 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 5: them to stop Trump and so that just that did 271 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 5: kind of anger me a look, but. 272 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: Overall they committed to the run. 273 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 5: Well enough for him to have the yards that he did, 274 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 5: it was the first time in his career he's passed 275 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 5: one hundred one hundred yards in a game. 276 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 3: Think about this, the guy had two hundred yards in 277 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 3: five games. It's not five years in five days. I 278 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: mean he basically he backed to back. I mean you 279 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: you added up. I mean the number of cares. That's 280 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 3: tough coming off that Commander's game, tough game, running the football, 281 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: physical game. The Giants we mentioned are struggling, but still 282 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 3: it's an NFL team and you got to you got 283 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 3: to run the ball. And he had two hundred yards 284 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: and really in five days apart, that shows you a 285 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 3: lot about that kid where he's at. 286 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 6: And Tony Pollard always said that the Commanders were the 287 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 6: most physical challenge for him throughout the season as a 288 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 6: running back against a divisional opponent. And sure they have 289 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 6: some different personnel, but the personnel that they've added the 290 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 6: physical guys too. You talk about Dorn's armstrong and guys 291 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 6: like that. So yeah, it's impressive for for Reco daubtll. 292 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 6: I think the big, the big runs were something that 293 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 6: was so healthy for this offense. I mean, it was 294 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 6: him breaking off the twenty two yarder and then backing 295 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 6: it up with a seventeen yard directly after. I mean, 296 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 6: he's like patient. 297 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 3: The pass and the pass and the pass. Yeah, after 298 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 3: talking about I mean. 299 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 6: And then and then you could to that same point 300 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 6: the third and two they needed the first down just 301 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 6: to end the game, and they throw it to Cooks 302 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 6: and Cooks has to dive to catch it and instead 303 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 6: granted great catch by Cook's the end of the game. 304 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 6: Nine times out of ten guys aren't catching that ball, 305 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 6: and then the Giants are going to get a very 306 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 6: another possession. 307 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 3: Two minutes left in the game. 308 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 6: Man, Then I there's a there's a bigger conversation there. 309 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 6: But I loved what Rico Dwell did. I loved what 310 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 6: Rico Dawell did on Thursday. You know how how pessimistic 311 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 6: I've been about this run game throughout the season. I'm 312 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 6: starting to get to a point with Dowell now where 313 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 6: I see, you know, opportunities for him for the future 314 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 6: after a game like that. Obviously, rock Hoffin bro I 315 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 6: told you it is. 316 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: Should have listened to me. I told you put Zach 317 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 3: put Zach Martin on the bench. I didn't say that, 318 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 3: say that when. 319 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 7: He comes on the fan. What's that when sach comes 320 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 7: on the fan. 321 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: That he didn't come on the fan? I give I 322 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 2: give Eric. 323 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: I used to give Eric Kendricks tips. Did you hear about. 324 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: Brian one day? 325 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 5: One day when you did it and he was you 326 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 5: could tell he so wanted you to just stop, and 327 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 5: you would not stopping, like I'm giving you this tip, 328 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 5: like I'm going and he was just like, please stop 329 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 5: giving tips. 330 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: It was hilarious, but I keep doing it. 331 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: I did stop giving him tips. It was it was. 332 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 3: It was a good tip though, but you know what, 333 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 3: he wanted me to stop because he knew I was right. 334 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 6: It was. 335 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 3: It was. 336 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 5: And the thing is when you give the tip, if 337 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 5: somebody he's got it from that opposing to be listening. 338 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 5: Now they know, oh he's clued in on this tip, 339 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 5: maybe we ought to do something about So. 340 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 6: It was like game related. 341 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: Brian was basically scouting scouting. Yeah, he was giving him. 342 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 3: I was giving a sky go listen when you see this. 343 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 3: This is what's he goes. Why I watched the film 344 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: and I'm going, okay, but let me just tell you 345 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 3: what I say. 346 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 5: And said it before he said it when he said 347 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 5: I got a tip for you, and he was like, 348 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 5: you know that, whenever you see this, you could just 349 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 5: you could just hear in Eric's voice like he just. 350 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: Stop right there, please stop right there. 351 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 5: And Brian just runs right into it, like here's when 352 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 5: you see this guy and he does this. 353 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: This is what's coming. 354 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: Just But Eric doesn't like to give you when you 355 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 3: ask him about like schemes, he doesn't even want to 356 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 3: talk about. No, he does it. So I end up 357 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 3: asking questions about what kind of knives you use in 358 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: the kitchen, you. 359 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 5: Know, what kind of Ryan's advanced scouting on it, scouting 360 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 5: on he's a big car guy. 361 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, he is a big car guy. 362 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 5: Hey, if you guys happen to see anything when it 363 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 5: comes to ecodwa, did you see anything different that Dallas 364 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 5: was doing with the run game, with maybe the kinds 365 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 5: of plays they were using, the kinds of blocking schemes, 366 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 5: anything different that would point to why they saw a 367 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 5: different results or was it simply we committed to it 368 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 5: and that's the result. 369 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 6: I wouldn't say this is a major thing that's helped, 370 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 6: but it allowed one of those two big games that 371 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 6: I talked about. Jonathan Mingo is a really useful guy. 372 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 6: As far as getting some space outside, you talk about 373 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 6: receiving receiver blockers. 374 00:15:58,920 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 7: We throw him a good path. 375 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, he could block. He could certainly block. 376 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 6: But it's helping the run game. It's obviously not the 377 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 6: biggest contributor. But it's something that I noticed off rip. 378 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: Their tight ends are actually blocking span Ford, Schoonmaker, those 379 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: guys are actually getting like they're getting. They're getting combination 380 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 3: blocks like Steel and Hoffman. We're doing a really good 381 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 3: job of handling that, getting those down guys secured. They're there, 382 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 3: but the point of attack tight end blocks have been better, 383 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: like span Ford has like it's like all of a sudden, 384 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: it's all this playing time for him has made him 385 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: like a little bit more like, oh okay, I guess 386 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to do this. Either that or they're 387 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: not gonna play me. 388 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: But that's what they saw in him man, when they kept. 389 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 5: Him with. 390 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 3: The things that have happened. The combination block, and we keep 391 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: we keep laughing about this. They do have a healthy 392 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 3: body at right guard. A healthy body at right guard 393 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: does make a difference. And then you get the combination 394 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: of Hoffman and then Steel. We're and stuff well together. 395 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 3: Daddle runs tough. Then you get point of attack tight 396 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 3: end blocking that's helped. So yeah, it's really it's it's 397 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: been to me and there wasn't. Sometimes it's such predictability 398 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 3: with this offense. The second down run. You know, you're like, oh, well, 399 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 3: here comes the second down run. You know here he's 400 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 3: kind of mixing matching his runs a little bit better, 401 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 3: and I think that's helping the situation as well. 402 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 6: Could I mention one thing about the running game or 403 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 6: out of the break? Okay, Ezekiel Elliott at this point 404 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 6: one carry during the game. He only had nine snaps 405 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 6: in the entire day season low. He didn't have any 406 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 6: snaps in pass protection. Let's elevate my league, Davis, see 407 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 6: what he's got. Let's see what you got going into 408 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 6: the offseason. You haven't seen what the kid can do. 409 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 3: Get You couldn't get You couldn't get Cook on the roster. 410 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 3: What are you trying to do? 411 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 6: Exactly? Yeah, yeah, he had his opportunity to give Davis 412 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 6: his opportunity. 413 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 2: Let's do it. He's saying at this point, just what 414 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 2: are you gonna do? 415 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 3: Cook? 416 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 5: You gonna I mean, you're gonna have to give him 417 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 5: a You say, bring him up for a week. 418 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 6: Is that what you're saying, Davis? 419 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, bring him up for a week. 420 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 6: See just got I. 421 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 7: Love how you think we would actually get to see. 422 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: That like a GM. 423 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 6: All right, we have completely forgotten that Malie Davis is 424 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 6: on this rock. 425 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 2: I mean we have to see him. 426 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 5: We know, we know what he can do though, I 427 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 5: mean we've seen him play. He's a he's a good back. 428 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 5: Just I don't know, he's a great bag. 429 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 2: He's a good good back. 430 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 3: Just keep giving Rico Dowbell the carry. 431 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: Agree, Just just stick with what you mean. What do 432 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: you just work? 433 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 5: Now? 434 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 6: Just get five carries to league days? 435 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 2: We just hate Rico, do not. Let's go the. 436 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 6: Case he's worked. I think exactly. You need to save 437 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 6: him for the future. Bring us up, bring thee Davis 438 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 6: up for a week. 439 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 2: So now we're saving people. 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Slash Oledevo Welcome back. 504 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 5: It is the second segment of the break life from 505 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 5: the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. This segment's brought 506 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 5: to you by blockchain dot Com. All right, let's talk 507 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 5: about the offensive line yesterday or Thursday. Jeez, Thursday, they 508 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 5: gave up zero sacks. They had a one hundred yard rusher. 509 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 5: My question for you guys and Brian you mentioned it earlier. 510 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 5: Brock Kauflin and brock Kaufman played at right guard in 511 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 5: place of Zach Martin, who's been out injured. And I 512 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 5: want to be really careful about this because I don't 513 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 5: want anyone to take from this conversation that somehow it's like, oh, 514 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 5: just discard the longtime great veteran who's headed for the 515 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 5: Hall of Fame and Zach Martin. That is not what 516 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 5: this conversation is about. This conversation is more about the 517 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 5: tactical point of right now, the way brock Kaufman is playing, 518 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 5: and I think you said it during the break, Nick, 519 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 5: he has one he's allowed one pressure in the time 520 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 5: that he's played, in the way that he's playing, compared 521 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 5: to what Zach. How Zach has been playing with all 522 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 5: the injuries, which right now, again that's not his fault, 523 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 5: but he has a ton of injuries and he's really 524 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 5: trying to battle through it. But you can tell there's 525 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 5: a marked difference between his normal play and the play 526 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 5: that he's had this year. Which do you think is 527 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 5: better for the success of this team, A healthy brock 528 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 5: Kauffman or an injured Zach. 529 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 6: Mart I'm gonna take the names out of it and 530 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 6: just look at the success. And I think brock Kaffman 531 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 6: is having more success. And you look at not only 532 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 6: pass protection, he's only allowed one pressure all season and 533 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 6: one hundred and eighty three snaps. You look at the 534 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 6: run game and what they've been able to generate in 535 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 6: the run game these last two games. You see the 536 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 6: lanes that they've been able to open up in the 537 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 6: middle of the offensive line. I credit brock Hoffman a 538 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 6: lot to that. Obviously Koober BB and Tyler Smith as well, 539 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 6: But if I'm looking at results, I see a lot 540 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 6: different results with brock Kaufman. 541 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: And now also let's put it into this equation. 542 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 5: This has been over the last two weeks against the opponents, 543 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 5: specifically this last week against an opponent like the Giants 544 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 5: that is a less opponent than maybe some that that 545 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 5: Zach is at the. 546 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 3: Face their best player plays defensive tackle. 547 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was defense what point. 548 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, well at the elbow, yeah, he went down what 549 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 3: third quarter? I think it was late third Yeah, but yeah, they. 550 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: He is possible defensive player of the year. 551 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, they they double team that dude sixty five percent 552 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 3: of them When you watch that play, I mean they 553 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 3: Dallas's plan in the first time these two teams met 554 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 3: was not to let they double teamed him every pass rush. 555 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 3: You know, they were not going to let him win. 556 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 3: He didn't and he didn't win. You know, it'll be 557 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 3: it'll be interesting now because basically what you've done is 558 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 3: you've bought You've bought Zach Martin. What now three weeks 559 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 3: would that be? How you look at this? Right? 560 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 6: With that? 561 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: If you count out the days of the games he's missed, 562 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 3: you know how, so he's missed. Yeah, but the two 563 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 3: games were five days apart, so you missed the two games. 564 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 3: So you're really looking at that week and then another 565 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 3: week and now they're going to have a week to 566 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: get ready for this. So it's a Monday night, right? 567 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: Is that three weeks? Is that enough time to get 568 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 3: everything kind of in line again for a push for 569 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 3: for Zach Martin? Or do you this sounds so bad? 570 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 3: Do you just keep rolling because you're rolling on offense? 571 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I say rolling. You've had your positive running 572 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 3: game against the Commanders positive running game we've talked about 573 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: the Giants. Seems like that in the Commander's game, they thrilled, 574 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 3: they threw the ball. The protection was good enough. The 575 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 3: Giants game, the protection was good enough. Do you just 576 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 3: do you just keep it rolling? Do you just tell 577 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 3: Zach Martin that we're gonna keep going with this and 578 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 3: do you rotate him back in? How do you how do. 579 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 2: You just tell him like, we're gonna let you keep 580 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 2: getting better. 581 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 5: Because my assumption with all that you're saying, I'm in 582 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 5: three weeks, maybe he can't be one hundred percent, So 583 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,959 Speaker 5: we just want you to keep getting better and we'll 584 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 5: wait that out. 585 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to watching Cincinnati and they have McKinley Jackson, 586 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 3: they have Chris Jenkins, they have these rookie defensive tackles, 587 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 3: BJ Hill, they have They've got all these these guys. 588 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 3: Sheldon Rankins, who they got from Houston is he's hurt, so, 589 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what their defensive tackle situation is. 590 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 3: Like it might be where you can once again play 591 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 3: with brock Hoffman and now you give Zach Martin a 592 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 3: full three weeks and then you get Now you're getting 593 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 3: in and heck, then you're at Carolina the following week. 594 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 3: I mean, do you just do you save Zach Martin 595 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: for Philadelphia and the Commanders? I mean, but what if 596 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 3: you keep winning? What if you keep winning? What if 597 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 3: you do beat Cincinnati and then what do you do? 598 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 3: Now you beat Carolina, You're back to five hundred. It's crazy, 599 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 3: you know, And so I mean, I think you'd want 600 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 3: to have Zach Martin there playing right, But if your 601 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 3: offense is playing better running the football and the past 602 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 3: protection stuff is better, does Zach Martin become just a 603 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 3: backup guy? Got? I think I never say that. 604 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 7: I think it's I like what Nick did. Like if 605 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 7: you do the whole on biased opinion and take the 606 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 7: name out of it and just look at the plays. 607 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 3: The position they're playing better, that's. 608 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 7: What you should rely on. And again, there's no way 609 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 7: that Zach is back to filling one hundred percent right now. 610 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 7: I mean, there's always a way, but it's it's one 611 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 7: of those scenarios that you you want to keep seeing 612 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 7: what you have in Brockoffman and give him the chance. 613 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 7: It's going well so far, but also you want to 614 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 7: protect the health. 615 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 3: Of your Okay, I got one for you, A G 616 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 3: seventy two Zach Martin better than brock Hoffman, so specific I. 617 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 6: Not seventy seven. 618 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 7: It depends on where we're just killed. It depends on 619 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 7: where we're at in the season. 620 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,719 Speaker 3: I feel like you're trying to win games. I mean, 621 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 3: you've got to win. You really can't lose games. 622 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have a shot at the playoffs. The 623 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 2: playoffs start today. 624 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 3: Every game, every game you play is a playoff game. 625 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 3: Every game you play is a playoff game. 626 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 7: So excu, he's my emergency guy. 627 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 3: Hey, oh gosh, Mancy, because. 628 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 7: I want him to keep getting healthy and worst case scenario, 629 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 7: come back. We need you. 630 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 3: This might be his last campaign, you know. 631 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, we're gonna have the black SUVs take us away 632 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 6: when we walk out of this podcast studio. It's gonna 633 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,479 Speaker 6: get bad. I I would go with Brockoffin in that equation. 634 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 3: A seventy two percent. Yeah, Zach Martin, not better than bet, 635 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 3: not better than off. 636 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 5: Give me the seventy two percent, Zach. Now, if you'd 637 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 5: gone to sixty nine percent, I would have changed. 638 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: Seventy two percent. I'm taking. That's passing, Zach, Yeah, exactly taking. 639 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,239 Speaker 7: I just want what's better for Sack. I care so 640 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 7: much about it. No, but it's it's a. 641 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 3: Tough is this is the okay? Is it is? It? 642 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 3: Is this the same situation they went through with Romo 643 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 3: and Dak in twenty sixteen. 644 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 5: I think it's a little different just because of the position. 645 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,719 Speaker 5: I do think the position colors at a lot. 646 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 6: It's a lot different. There, different I think there. I 647 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 6: think there is a comparison you can make. I just 648 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 6: need to think of one off the top of my head. 649 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 7: Well, that's an easier switch, you know, versus you designing man. 650 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 3: There were people that wanted they wanted Tony back in there. 651 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 5: No, that was a hard decision, I think for the organization. 652 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 5: I remember, Yeah, there were some people that did want 653 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 5: him back in. 654 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. When do you not play Zach Martin? I mean, 655 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 3: do you just because things are rolling along? I mean 656 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 3: at least through two games. 657 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 5: Well, let's also I think part of the thing is 658 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 5: the situation back then that was like that was the 659 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 5: results were so spectacular that. 660 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 3: Year, like you beat Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh you. 661 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 5: Were just doing some things that year that just felt like, man, 662 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 5: this team is really rolling in a way that they 663 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 5: haven't really rolled in a while, and from the standpoint 664 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 5: of just the excitement that it that it built, and 665 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 5: and you have to factor that in when you think 666 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 5: about the locker room, like if you there's more that 667 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 5: could go wrong with replacing Dak with Romo then with 668 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 5: staying the course, is the way I look at it, 669 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 5: and so I think it made sense and so but 670 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 5: but I don't think I think that was so different 671 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 5: than this like this season has been in most people's. 672 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: Estimations, a disappointment. 673 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 5: Has So from that standpoint, I think it's a little 674 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 5: bit of a different equation of well, yeah, you could 675 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 5: trade them back in or or not trade them back in. 676 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 5: If you put Zack back in, is he gonna make 677 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 5: that big of a difference where now they aren't gonna 678 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 5: make this improbable run. I don't know that you could 679 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 5: make that argument. So I think it's a little bit 680 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 5: different from that standpoint. 681 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't see it the same as as Dak 682 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 6: and Romo. If that's the question, Yeah, that was, Yeah, 683 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 6: I don't see the same. I don't see it the 684 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 6: same at. 685 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 3: All, not at all, not at all. 686 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 6: But I see where you're going with it. I'm trying 687 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 6: to think of like a more similar comparison. 688 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 3: Talking about you're talking about like you're like a like 689 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 3: a A. Okay, I'm just gonna say this in a 690 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 3: nice way. A journeyman right guard who's played really well 691 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks, Yeah, is he better than 692 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 3: playing with a Hall of Fame guard who is dealing 693 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 3: with a lot of injuries. See this is where this 694 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 3: is also I make it sound really dire. 695 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 2: Then this is also. 696 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 5: Where you know you think you factor in the human element. 697 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 5: So let's say, for example, if you're playing I don't 698 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 5: want to get too crazy, but if you're playing mad, 699 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 5: if you're playing Madden and you got two players like this, 700 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 5: then you just take the player that has played better. 701 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 5: Whatever player is playing better, that's the player you take. 702 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 5: If if when you're dealing with humans, though, there's this 703 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 5: element of man. 704 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 2: I've seen Zach be dominant. 705 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 3: We've seen him struggle, and that's because he's really I 706 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 3: think banged up, right, I get that. 707 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is I think for the coaches, 708 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 5: after giving him, let's say, three weeks to get healthy, 709 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 5: if he comes to you and says, coach, I'm good, 710 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 5: I can go believe him. You're gonna believe him right, 711 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 5: and by the way, he's earned that right. And so 712 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 5: this is not just a easy decision of this guy's 713 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 5: playing better, this guy was not playing well. 714 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 2: It is there's a human factor in it. 715 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 5: The human factor means that this guy that wasn't playing 716 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 5: as well because you trust him because of the history has, 717 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,479 Speaker 5: if he says he can go, you're gonna throw him 718 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 5: out there. 719 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,239 Speaker 2: No matter what. 720 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 7: That's what I was gonna say, Like he I don't 721 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 7: see Zach being the type of person that would come 722 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 7: in here and like throw a fit and be like 723 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 7: if he's not ready, if it's not if it's not ready, 724 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 7: and he like he he is a true professional, and 725 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 7: he he's not naive or blind. He can see everything 726 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 7: and like know exactly what's happening. And I don't think 727 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 7: he would be one that if it's not ready, just 728 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 7: because of pride, he would try to throw a fit 729 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 7: over there and argue like, no, put me out there now, 730 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 7: Rummel Again, different personalities, different scenarios. I'm not trying to 731 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 7: say nothing, but I'm saying I'm just say this, it's 732 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 7: a different scenario here. I think Zach and I agree 733 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 7: with you, if he would be like, hey, I feel good, 734 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 7: I feel ready. There's no reason why not to listen 735 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 7: to him. 736 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 2: Okay, you don't even think about it. 737 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 3: You put really bad. What if this was a four 738 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 3: game winning streak? What you got going with, sack nothing, 739 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 3: I'm just no, no, I'm just with you. I'm just asking, 740 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 3: I'm just seeing how committed you are. 741 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 2: I'm my evaluation is still the same. It's a four 742 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 2: game win streak. 743 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 5: Because because it's four game win streak, then I'm like, well, 744 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 5: Zach said, now what five weeks. 745 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 2: To get healthy? You give me a healthy Zach Martin. 746 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 5: I'm taking him over anybody on this offensive offensive maybe 747 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 5: Tyler Smith. 748 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 3: You're putting tank back in their over Golston, right, yes, yeah. 749 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, when he's healthy, I'm putting it back in 750 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 5: there because of the history. 751 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 6: Come on, I trust the history. 752 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 5: Ask I mean, the last time we saw him on 753 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 5: the field, he was still a really good player. 754 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 2: The last time we saw Zach healthy, he was still 755 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: a really good player. 756 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 3: So I don't know if we've seen Zach healthy all year. 757 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 2: I agree with that. 758 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 5: I agree with that last time we saw him healthy 759 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 5: was last season, and last season he was a really 760 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 5: good player. 761 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's tough to have this conversation. 762 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 3: Watch not be able to run the ball this week, 763 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 3: and you guys are liking to be like screaming at 764 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 3: your into the press. 765 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 2: Come save usore, we do it. 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He was twenty one to 834 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 5: thirty six, fifty eight percent completion rate, one hundred and 835 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 5: ninety five passing yards, one touchdown, no interceptions, eighty two 836 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,479 Speaker 5: point five rating by all accounts, a very solid day. 837 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 5: Nothing crazy, nothing crazy bad. How would you assess this 838 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 5: play from that game? 839 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 6: This looked like the twenty twenty two Cooper Rush because 840 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 6: he had a running game. He didn't try to do 841 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,439 Speaker 6: too much, he was calculated, he didn't force anything, and 842 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 6: he had a healthy running game to help support that. 843 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 6: And it looked like a twenty twenty two offense in 844 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 6: that sense. 845 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, the balls is not going down the field though, 846 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 3: very much, right, I mean, everything is kind of you know, 847 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 3: but when Cooper Rush doesn't turn over the ball, they 848 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 3: have a chance to win. When he does, they're going 849 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 3: to lose. It's just the way it is. So you 850 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 3: still kind of you know, you're kind of looking for 851 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 3: a little bit more. That's my worry about some of 852 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 3: these games that you're going to have to try and 853 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 3: wine down the stretch here if you yeah, Philly, Cincinnati, 854 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 3: since Tampa, that guy, you know, Baker Mayfield, the way 855 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 3: he plays. I mean, if if you're gonna really be 856 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 3: in this thing, you're gonna have to go win those games. 857 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 3: And can Cooper rush generate enough offense if done turn 858 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 3: the ball over? Got a chance. But you know five, 859 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 3: you know, if you look at all the metrics and 860 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 3: all that, he's one of the he's one of the 861 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 3: he's one of he's near the bottom and most every 862 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 3: metrics there is for a quarterback. So you know, Dallas's defense, 863 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 3: they're special teams. That's gonna be a big calling card there. 864 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 3: The ability to run the football, you know, like but 865 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 3: you're gonna have to play great defense and hope, like 866 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 3: hell that he could find some offense somewhere that Ceedee 867 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 3: Lamb can get going, you know, and you know, and 868 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,760 Speaker 3: and maybe they found something with Turpin getting him more involved, 869 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 3: getting him down the field. But you know, we'll see 870 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 3: how that all plays out. I I have my doubts 871 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 3: because I think Cooper Rush is who Cooper Rush is. 872 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 3: There's not gonna be anything spectacular. And you know you're 873 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 3: going in all these games likely being the quarterback that 874 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 3: you're playing against is probably the better quarterback on the field. 875 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 6: So it's a healthy Trey Lance better than a banged 876 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 6: up Cooper. 877 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 3: You know, I'm a feeling. I have my feelings. I 878 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 3: have my feelings about how to win these football games. Yeah, 879 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 3: and I think late in the year, I think it 880 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 3: would be really difficult for an NFL defense to have 881 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 3: to get ready to play against Trey Lance running the football. 882 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 3: I think you can. I think you can scheme and 883 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 3: and there's gonna be some games where you're gonna if 884 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 3: you're if you think you're going to shoot out, and 885 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 3: you might have to. You might have to shoot out. 886 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 3: I shouldn't use that term. But you're gonna have to 887 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 3: like play at a very high four. Yeah, you have 888 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 3: to play at a very high level to beat Cincinnati 889 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 3: because of their offense. You know they're gonna put Dallas's 890 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 3: defense is going to have their handsful, but on defense, 891 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 3: but they're playing better. You know they could. They could. 892 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 3: They're capable of playing really well. And but we keep 893 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 3: going back to how many three and outs are you 894 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 3: gonna have? How many you know, how many missed opportunities 895 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 3: are you going to have in the red zone? How 896 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 3: many times are you going to get down there, you know, 897 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 3: first and eight and have to kick a field goal. 898 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 6: I'm glad you brought up red zone, and I know 899 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 6: it's a much different situation. But you look at what 900 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 6: Texas did in College Station on Saturday. Yeah, Saturday, My 901 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 6: days are all messed up. When they bring in arch 902 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 6: Manning in the red zone. 903 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 5: They had a specific package from him in the red zone. 904 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 5: It works perfect, It. 905 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 2: Works perfect, well well done. 906 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,240 Speaker 6: And when and when Dallas has these red zone issues, 907 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 6: why not integrate trade lance? 908 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 7: It's it's it's like copying. We don't like your copy. 909 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 7: What works? 910 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 3: I got to college, speaking of college. 911 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 2: Young people out there a couple of years. 912 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 3: Mister Broughts, why are you wearing a hat today? I 913 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 3: never wear a hat. 914 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 7: You're still you're still seeing the same missions that you 915 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 7: still like you had with dak in there. Sure it 916 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 7: still does like none of that, none of those problems 917 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:11,919 Speaker 7: that you were having offensively have improved whatsoever. It does 918 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 7: help when you create that balance offense like you guys 919 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 7: mentioned having that running game, but as soon as a 920 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 7: defense is able to take that running game that recently 921 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 7: started to reappear, you're I don't think you still. I 922 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,320 Speaker 7: don't think you can do enough because you haven't shown 923 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 7: that you can offensively. And Cooper he can have some 924 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 7: good throws, but then there's a bunch that are just 925 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 7: like very close, and you're like, why why did you 926 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 7: throw the ball right there? And I mentioned Mingo earlier. 927 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 7: I think he had I don't know how many, but 928 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 7: there were several missed opportunities there that had the ball 929 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 7: been thrown just a little bit better, he would have 930 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 7: caught that. 931 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 3: I know. The one thing about Trey Lance his arm 932 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 3: is stronger than what sure. I mean, you watch him throw, 933 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 3: and sure it could go all over the place. You 934 00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 3: could go to the other team, you know. 935 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 7: But so what I want to think is the reason 936 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 7: why we haven't actually seen more of Trey Lance. 937 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 3: Because because Cooper Rush has proven he can win games 938 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 3: and not mess it up. 939 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 5: And let's be clear, I'm not saying I necessarily want 940 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 5: to see more of Trey Lance. I just want to 941 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 5: see them being I want to see some designed like 942 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 5: when they when they brought him in these last two games, 943 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 5: it almost felt like it was just kind of the 944 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 5: cursory thing. 945 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 2: Okay, let's get Trey in there and give them some reps. 946 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 7: Purpose. 947 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, it felt like a preseason game where you kind 948 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 5: of just want to see instead of like you said 949 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 5: with the Texas game, it was clear they had a package. 950 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 5: When we get to the red zone, we're going to 951 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 5: pull this out and we're going to try these things 952 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 5: that's going to give the defense something different than what 953 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 5: we've necessarily shown, and we're going to take advantage of 954 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 5: this player's specific skills. 955 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 2: That's what I want to see. 956 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 5: I want to see them try something in a specific 957 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 5: moment in games where there's a big opportunity to be 958 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,760 Speaker 5: able to take advantage of something because of this players 959 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:00,839 Speaker 5: you need skills. 960 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 2: And then give them a play that's unique to their skills. 961 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 3: You know. 962 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's not more, it's not more, it's just well, 963 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 2: I'm more. 964 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,879 Speaker 7: I mean exactly what you said, Okay, good, more, but 965 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 7: in a better way with the purpose, because just like 966 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,359 Speaker 7: you said, the times that we have seen him in there, 967 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 7: you're like, what, like, what are we doing here? It 968 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 7: doesn't seem it just seems like you're just throwing him 969 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 7: out there just for the fun of it. You really 970 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 7: don't have a true plan behind it or a design 971 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 7: play that plays into his abilities, like you said, And 972 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 7: I think that's where they could get so creative and 973 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 7: just have the best of both things. Use Trey Lance 974 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 7: and then Cooper Rush with what he can do. 975 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 2: Not all good. 976 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 6: I'll say, you don't want to see Trey Lance start 977 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 6: these games? 978 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 2: No, no, you don't. I think Cooper still gives you 979 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 2: the best. 980 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 7: Team, and we saw some of that in the Preseeds. 981 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 2: I think Cooper still gives you the best chance to win. 982 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 5: I think that Trey Lance right now is and I 983 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 5: don't want to son a bad term, because I think 984 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 5: it's a good term. He's a gadget player right now. 985 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 5: He's a guy that that you can pull out, and 986 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 5: he has some really unique skills that if you use 987 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 5: him the right way, you could throw something at teams 988 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 5: that they're just not They can't they haven't prepared for 989 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 5: in the way that they've prepared for Cooper Rush, and 990 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 5: you can take advantage of it if you do it. 991 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 2: Well. 992 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,760 Speaker 3: See it's funny. I just looked up something just because 993 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,959 Speaker 3: I was curious. They call this like the identity check. 994 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 3: You know in Next Gen you ever see that Derek 995 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 3: identity check. They see no need to blitz Cooper rush. 996 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 3: His five point three yards per attempt versus four or 997 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,720 Speaker 3: fewer rushers is the second fewest in the NFL. 998 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, So he's just intentionally very he's. 999 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 3: Very conservative the way that he plays football. 1000 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 2: At Brandon Whedon when he's here, Yeah. 1001 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 3: And you're kind of like you're kind of sitting there 1002 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 3: like going, okay, well, you know, thank god you got 1003 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,799 Speaker 3: overshown in Parsons and Bland and all these guys back, 1004 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 3: because if you're sitting there, you're just you know, if 1005 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 3: you're a pastor and your five point three yards an 1006 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 3: attempt and not even against the blitz just four man 1007 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 3: rush man, that that's that's that's asking way too much 1008 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,319 Speaker 3: of your your team right there. 1009 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 5: All right, we appreciate you guys. Jonas will be back tomorrow. 1010 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 5: We'll have a little game from Brian will look some. 1011 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 3: Big pictures, just half my questions topics. 1012 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,360 Speaker 5: And get through that one tomorrow till then for Nick Harris, 1013 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 5: Brian brought a Sandbergarci. I'm Derek hil from This has 1014 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 5: been the Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. 1015 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 1016 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,800 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.