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Speaker 3: Week fourteen is in the books. Welcome to I Want

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Speaker 3: Here Flex. Hit Mike up at Swollen Dome. You can

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Speaker 3: find me at Dan Byer on Fox. Executive producer is

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Speaker 3: Ryan Persinger not on today's episode, still trying to get

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Speaker 3: back into the real world after his two week vacation

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Speaker 3: for the Philippines. So it's just Mike and I. And

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Speaker 3: again a big thank you to Patrick Sweeka who ran

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Speaker 3: the podcast for us the last couple of weeks, Mike

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Speaker 3: Week fourteen for a lot of fantasy players the final

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Speaker 3: week of the regular season, and boy, for those that

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Speaker 3: were critical of the Monday night doubleheader, you had to

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Speaker 3: do a one to eighty because of all of the

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Speaker 3: drama that was still in play. Impossible fantasy leagues went

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Speaker 3: right down to the wire, not only at MetLife Stadium,

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Speaker 3: but also in South Florida in that Titans Dolphins game.

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Speaker 2: So many fantasy implications, obviously from a real world football perspective.

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Speaker 2: Dan Mantra of the show that I do with Jason Smith,

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Speaker 2: and it's something you know, you and I have talked

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Speaker 2: whatever it is. Doesn't have to be a great game,

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Speaker 2: doesn't have to be esthetically pleasing, but if it's close late,

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Speaker 2: sign me up. And in this case, we got a

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Speaker 2: little bit of all of those worlds combining together with

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Speaker 2: some big plays, some big errors, some of the most

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Speaker 2: egregious screw ups that you'll see on a football field.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in both games, you saw a guy on

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Speaker 2: one of the gift touchdown drives that the Dolphins get,

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Speaker 2: are able to get a score, and for fantasy purposes,

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Speaker 2: you celebrated because maybe they'd actually do something with the

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Speaker 3: Mike. It was. It was craziness, and I think my

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Speaker 3: of back and forth. I do like how the networks

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Speaker 3: But just to take this in one part, you have

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Speaker 3: the Packers Giants game, and for people in fantasy, I

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Speaker 3: know people are playing Saquon Barkley. He's the only Giant

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Speaker 3: that's being played, right, but people are playing Saquon Barkley,

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Speaker 3: and you know his status and I'm I'm you know,

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Speaker 3: in our Guillotine League that we have at Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 3: Jayden Reid. And so when Barkley breaks off the long

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Speaker 2: And that's the beauty of it, right is Especially we've

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Speaker 2: all right, cool, this is what you've expected him to

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Speaker 2: So maybe you threw something soft at your television as

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Speaker 2: That would have scared you for a minute. Wasn't he

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Speaker 3: It's great, oh crazy? And then yeah, you speaking of

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Speaker 2: Get you want to commiserate with some misery.

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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, sure, which we all have. That the Dolphins

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just amazing how these two games turn out

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Speaker 2: and when you've had to go up against better teams,

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Speaker 2: you look at what Tennessee did to them defensively, dan A,

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Speaker 2: what are they? Right? How hurt his hill for one?

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Speaker 3: Yep, yes, that defensive touchdown was that was another gift

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Speaker 3: Take seven points kudos to Will Levis for bouncing back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding, He's still finished with three twenty seven

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Speaker 3: He's Mike Carmen, I'm dan Byer. This is I want

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Speaker 3: hit me up at dan Byer on Fox. So what

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Speaker 3: a way to win? What a way to end week fourteen?

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Speaker 3: What happened smack dab in the middle of week fourteen

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Speaker 3: back Kidarius Tony. The topic of conversation obviously Mike from

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Speaker 3: the lasting image of that Bill's chick.

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Speaker 2: But is he really Dan? It's been all about the officials.

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Speaker 3: Lights are on at Arrowhead. It has not been kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when when you look at the loss of Pacheco,

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Speaker 2: for fantasy purposes this year, right, it's no longer I

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Speaker 2: And against my own instinct and trying not to be

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't have gotten the passing yards. And as Mike

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Speaker 2: No, that's it right, And then you have it's all

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Speaker 2: invisible lines that we overlay on the field. Andy Reid,

434
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 2: it was the first time in his life as a

435
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: play call that that had ever happened to him, and

436
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 2: most of them this year, I saw the stat like

437
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 2: eighty percent of them have actually been on short yardage

438
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: quarterback sneak situation. So, you know, while it is a

439
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 2: quote point of emphasis, like they so angrily tweeted out

440
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: and put out as much as they could, it's like,

441
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: has it really been still seems like the hey check

442
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 2: with me kind of thing is still in effect, and hey,

443
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 2: hey don't don't give up the yards and notices. But

444
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 2: you know, how much crying can you do for the Chiefs,

445
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: especially the way they reacted, Like I get it, it's

446
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: coming on the heels of the MBS getting tackled and

447
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: wearing a guy like a suit on a pass interference

448
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 2: call that isn't made a week ago. So and just

449
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: the frustrations of a season that you're still like, all right,

450
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 2: we're still good, We're not May we may not be great,

451
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 2: but winning games and then back to back weeks to

452
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: have you know, in your opinion, the officials get on

453
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 2: you and the man bringing you down. Yeah, I get

454
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: the Frustration's gonna boil over a little bit. For Patrick Mahomes.

455
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: How many passes can you make that hit a guy's

456
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: hands that fall to the to the ground. Yeah, you're

457
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: gonna boil over eventually.

458
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Speaker 3: And if that play, if that penalty on that play,

459
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,479
Speaker 3: if Mahomes was sacked, we're not talking about it. If

460
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 3: there was an incomplete pass, we're not talking about it.

461
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 3: It's just it's what happens afterwards that now has become

462
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 3: the conversation. And again it's not like the ref through

463
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 3: the flag. As soon as Kadarius Tony crossed the goal line,

464
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 3: flag goes out immediately, and so everything that happened, you

465
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 3: know after that, just you know that happens. That's it

466
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Speaker 3: had no effect on the penalty.

467
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Speaker 2: But that's also the great you know, looking at the

468
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: way the game then unfolds, you can't melt down. You

469
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 2: can't melt down like that's Bartman, that's all of these

470
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 2: great moments in sports history. It's like you realize there

471
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: was you know, an out to be had, and your

472
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: shortstop gack to the ground ball and this happened, and

473
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: your pitcher jumped up and down like a child thinking

474
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: about the Cubs and the famous apartment. Yeah, Ron, in

475
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: this case, he threw three straight incomplete passes. You still

476
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: had the ball, You still had the opportunity in an

477
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: advantageous place on the field to go make plays, and

478
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: guess what you didn't because you were too busy to

479
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: being mad and crying about it. It's like still football

480
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 2: to be played.

481
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 3: And it wasn't like the Bills were running away with it.

482
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 3: They had an opportunity to in the first half. Kansas

483
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: City got a turnover and then turned it into points.

484
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, who would have thoink that? Rashid Rice and

485
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: James Cook though, would have been your point stars in

486
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 3: that Kansas City Buffalo game. I do want to touch

487
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 3: quickly and then Michael have waiver wire to end this podcast.

488
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Speaker 3: Any concerns of the Philadelphia egos. You think you just

489
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 3: ran into a buzz saw. But this is now back

490
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 3: to back weeks against top teams. Philadelphia we think has

491
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 3: an easier schedule, but they do have Tommy DeVito. You know,

492
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: in upcoming matchups. Any concerns with Philadelphia after what happened

493
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Speaker 3: on Sunday night in Dallas.

494
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Speaker 2: I think when I look at it overall, and the

495
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 2: back seven of the defense has its works, no question

496
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: about it, because you can't depend on that defensive front

497
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: to do everything. And they got run on early on.

498
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: I would say give Dallas credit. Tony Pollard got off

499
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 2: a little bit early as a runner and a receiver,

500
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: so you had the opportunity. But you did force field goals,

501
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: You did force the Cowboys to work and gave the

502
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: ball away. Right. Uncharacteristically, Hurtz makes the scramble, You're using

503
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: his legs a little bit more and then he fumbles. Okay,

504
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: aj Brown, it's his turn. Big play fumble. DeVante Smith

505
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: another big play fumble, like uncharacteristic mistakes, and they all

506
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: count just the same, of course, but you know they

507
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 2: added and in that game they felt like they were

508
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: you know, whatever multiplied exponentially as you rolled through against

509
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 2: a good team. And it takes nothing away from the Cowboys.

510
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: Finally did what we asked them to beat a good team. Yep, right,

511
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: and they held Serve at home and did their thing.

512
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: Dax saying, if I was any good today, we would

513
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: have scored fifty. And he's right, if they'd been better

514
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 2: and more efficient, you know, they and taken full advantage

515
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: of opportunities instead of super Toe over there with his

516
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: sixty yard field goals. Because I think that's the tale

517
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: of the tape that's getting lost in the final score

518
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: is like you had a guy who was automatic from

519
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: what forty five, fifty, fifty nine and sixty.

520
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, Mike, I have gone up against

521
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 3: Brendon Aubrey in the last two weeks and they it's

522
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: been crazy to see what he has put together.

523
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 2: It is unbelievable. Yes, right, it's absolutely absurd. So you know,

524
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: you go through thirty three thirteen your final, but you're like,

525
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 2: all right, super Toe accounted for a.

526
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: Ton of that, Yes right.

527
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: My hand still hurts from slamming him on the head

528
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: to see how far he could kick the kick the

529
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: ball that is. You know, you've got to be of

530
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: a certain age with a certain toy to make that reference.

531
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 2: But damn it, until I'm dead, and even after I'm dead,

532
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna still have people play it at least once

533
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: a year. I mean, you look at the efficiency of

534
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: my man there four of four with the three pats.

535
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: I mean, he was just ridiculous to finish things off,

536
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: But the efficiency wasn't necessarily there. They did a good

537
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: job on CD LAMB six ver seventy one in a score.

538
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: You'll take that, right. Ferguson had a couple of big

539
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: catch and runs. Rico Dowdell got his touchdown, but the

540
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: turnovers really stand out. Dallas Goddards coming back, you know,

541
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: four catches for him didn't really spread the ball around.

542
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: Only four guys caught a past and that includes Zychaius,

543
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: so not exactly working the ball around. But I think

544
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: it was also the end of a ridiculous run of opponents.

545
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, at some point we have

546
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: to remember human beings, and you're gassed right and getting

547
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: up for every game, even if it is a division game.

548
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: Right between San Francisco. I mean, you look at the

549
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: schedule that they just played, including games they won, mind

550
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: you like, and I think that's the thing. You go back, Yeah, Miami,

551
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: they beat them by two touchdowns right after the loss

552
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: of the Jets. This is all after the loss of

553
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: the Jets beat Miami, scoring thirty one win at Washington,

554
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: that crazy thirty eight thirty one game. You beat the

555
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: Cowboys at home twenty eight twenty three, beat the Chiefs.

556
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: Whatever you think of the Chiefs, they've got warts, whatever,

557
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: there's still a big time winning squad. Buffalo is now

558
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: back above five hundred to one. Again, another crazy ass game.

559
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: I mean those are all teams that I mean four

560
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: of those teams are playoff teams.

561
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: And now you can kind of.

562
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: Right, and then you got San Francisco. Well, everybody's getting

563
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: murdered by San Francis. Let us go right, that's nothing new.

564
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: There's nothing to take away other than all right, we

565
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: don't measure up here. Can we get them in the

566
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: playoffs if we got to play him? Maybe, maybe not.

567
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: But I don't think the loss there has the same

568
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: juice as everybody wanted to apply at this Dallas game.

569
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: We were trying to wait for Dallas to win a

570
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: game against a reasonable opponent. Well there it is.

571
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: They got it. You know, they did it last year

572
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: they beat Gardner Minshew, and now to do it with

573
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts, it makes it even better for their resume.

574
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 3: One thing to just clear up, and then we're going

575
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: to take a time out and we'll get to Mike's

576
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 3: waiver wires for week fifteen, guys to add. But Dallas

577
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: is in the first place right now. But you hear

578
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: people say Philadelphia, if they win out, ends up winning

579
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: the division. And the reason is is because of their

580
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: record against common opponents, so in their common games, because

581
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: we believe if they both went out like we think

582
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: that they're going to Mike, they're gonna have the same

583
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: division record because they split this season. But then you

584
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: go to the common games and not conference record, so

585
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: common games, Philadelphia would have an edge over the Cowboys.

586
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: So that's why they would end up getting the tiebreaker.

587
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 3: But that's, you know, four weeks away, and considering how

588
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: Philadelphia's played, I don't know if that's a given despite

589
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: how easy their schedule appears.

590
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: Well, at least on paper right at Seattle, Sorry buddy,

591
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: that's all right, but you don't know, like they've been

592
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: game in spots. DK Metcalf got to keep himself from

593
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: getting thrown out of a game and getting baited, but

594
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: that's a whole other thing. And then you've got Giants,

595
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,479
Speaker 2: and again, my schedule hate is strong with these kind

596
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: of things. Giants at home then you've got the Cardinals

597
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: at home, and then you finish on the road at

598
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: the Giants. The fact that you're playing two division games

599
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: against the same opponent in the final three weeks is

600
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: just stupid and scheduling moult practice as far as I'm concerned.

601
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: But that's the way it goes.

602
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 3: He's Mike Harmon. I'm Dan Byer. I'm gonna make one

603
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: point about this trio of teams in the NFC coming

604
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: up next. Plus I do you have a correction to make

605
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: on something that I said earlier? And Plus Mike's got

606
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: some waiver wire that's next here as we wrap up,

607
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: I want your flex all right, welcome back. Carmon's got

608
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: some waiver wire pickups. This is what I wanted to say,

609
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 3: Mike about this Cowboys, Eagles, forty nine Ers Bermuda triangle,

610
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: if you will. With the forty nine Ers, you know

611
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: your guys. You know it's deebo Ayuk, Christian McCaffrey, Kittle

612
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: and perty I mean, but not even put purty in conversation.

613
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: The Eagles, I think you know your guys, right A. J. Brown,

614
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: DeVante Smith, Dallas Goddard and uh yeah, yeah, Jalen hurts.

615
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: So David, and you've inserted Marcus.

616
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: Dallas, Goddard, AJ Brown, Divine Smith, DeAndre Swift. There it is.

617
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: That that's who you That's who's going to get their

618
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: stuff with Dallas right now, My goodness, it's definitely gonna

619
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: be ceedee lamb. But Jake Ferguson's come along. You mentioned

620
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks. Uh, you've got obviously Tony Pollard, but you

621
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 3: also got Rico Dowdell. Now in the backfield, you got Turpin,

622
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 3: You've got I mean, you got Michael Gallup, who scored

623
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 3: like it is. The forty nine is just four guys

624
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 3: just do everything, you know, pretty much for them when

625
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: it comes to like stat numbers. Cowboys have just so

626
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: many different guys. So like even on a night when

627
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: Dak said, yeah, I wasn't that great and whatever, like

628
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: Tony Pollard still like didn't have a great game. You know,

629
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: you almost got into the end zone, but still you're like,

630
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: you know, when is that going to break this? That's

631
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: the one thing about the Cowboys is they're playing so well,

632
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: but there's so many guys that they have now as

633
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: options that maybe could put a kink in some things.

634
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: Well, no, that's just it, right. It's great for the

635
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: NFL side of it and for winning football, not great

636
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: for your fantasy team. Yeah, that's damn right. You know,

637
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 2: Pollard fifty nine yards on the ground, seven for thirty seven,

638
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: so you got a decent game. It's not great, right,

639
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: I mean, what are we talking. We're talking ten to seven.

640
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: You're only at sixteen and a half, seventeen points. It's

641
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 2: a good day, not a great day, you know, because

642
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: Ricodoubell almost got him just by finding the end zone.

643
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's tough, right, I mean, Dak's a Ronco special,

644
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: late night infomercial. Set it and forget it guy. And

645
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Speaker 2: you mentioned Lamb and Ferguson. Look at this point at

646
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: the tight end position, how many more guys do you trust? Right?

647
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: You know, I still think you know, I loved me

648
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: some Dalton Schultz that I was sad when he left

649
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: there and now he can't stay healthy in Houston. But

650
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: that's a whole other thing. But Ferguson has come along nicely,

651
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: and we talked about him very early in the season,

652
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: made a couple of plays that you thought, hey, he'd

653
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: have a shot. But roster wise, main depending on the

654
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: depth in your league. He might have been out there

655
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: for quite a while before getting picked up. But yeah,

656
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: now he's become a guy that, because of the position scarcity,

657
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: finds his way if you still hold the tight end position.

658
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: But those secondary receivers, when you're looking at Gallop and Cooks,

659
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: are you trusting them enough? Are you saying the Cowboys?

660
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: I know, because they've beaten eight teams by at least

661
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: twenty points. Someone's scoring. But if you pick wrong, that's

662
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: playoff doom.

663
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah, I'm not suggesting those guys. The only thing

664
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Speaker 3: I'm saying is I think you know where your points

665
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 3: are coming from from Philadelphia. Yeah, and with San Francisco,

666
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: Dallas is a little bit more of a crapshoot. Even

667
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: though I think that there is a hierarchy, it's just

668
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 3: not as plain as day as you have in filed

669
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: for San Francisco. Yeah. The correction that I have to

670
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 3: make is I did look it up, Mike. I did

671
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: not get eliminated via guillotine. I would have felt tense

672
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: of a point short. But I do know that if

673
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 3: someone if you're in a full PPR league, Travis Kelcey

674
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: would have been awarded a catch and then twenty four

675
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 3: yards receiving, so you likely would have had the point

676
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: or the half point for the reception and then likely

677
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 3: two point four points for that yardage.

678
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you would have had the run for

679
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 2: Tony the rest of the way.

680
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 3: Yes.

681
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: As a guy that used to be an administrator of

682
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: the old Yahoo games, I would have been writing the

683
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 2: FAQ to explain it if it had stood. I would

684
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 2: have been on my computer as that game was finishing

685
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: with the verbiage with the keyword foot Kelsey, because we

686
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: would name it whoever the key player was got, so

687
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: whoever in our support team was responding to I don't

688
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: understand the scoring of this play because there would be

689
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: asterisks like if it was something that wasn't normally in

690
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: a player's arsenal right, know, you know, half back pass

691
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: or whatever, you'd be like, wait, he only had sixty

692
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: four yards rushing. Where's all this point coming? And depending

693
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: on how the league page looked, you might not have

694
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: had the categories under the different positions for the different

695
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: things that they might have done. Right, if you included tackles,

696
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: like say you had IDPs, well, your running back might

697
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: have had a tackle on an interception return so there

698
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: would be an asterisk. It's like, why does he have

699
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: two more points? Like, well, he was credited with this,

700
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: you know, after that bonehead interception. He's the guy that

701
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: got the tackle. So yeah, he gets the points for

702
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: the tackle. It's like that's not fair. It's like, well,

703
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: that's the way it works.

704
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

705
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: I would be the guy explaining that, and we'd put

706
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 2: in the keys, you know, so you just have to

707
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: have a shortened version instead of typing out a long response.

708
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 2: I would put it into the system and it would

709
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: be foot Kelsey.

710
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: There was there was ah gosh, this is like a

711
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: year or two ago. I was playing against AJ Brown

712
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: and a fan of league, and he somehow made three

713
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: tackles in the game because Tennessee kept on turning it

714
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 3: over and uh, the score went back and forth on

715
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: corrections because there was a point Mike where there was

716
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: an interception he touched the guy. Uh, but did the

717
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: guy just give himself up? Yeah? Yeah, So what happened

718
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: was at one point it was a tackle, then it wasn't.

719
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 3: Then it was ended up not being a tackle. But yeah,

720
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: you get that stuff with when you when you do

721
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 3: the IDPs, you score for the tackling those offensive players

722
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: are like, wait a second, you didn't catch a conversion.

723
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: How'd you have three extra points? Then you realized, oh,

724
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 3: they were a turnover machine.

725
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: So all sorts of weirdness that we used to have

726
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: to break down, you know, fumble Rooskies, right the yeah,

727
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: the Stanford band, you know, all of those kind of

728
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: plays right the the end laterals and I already got

729
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: four yards here and that guy got four yards and

730
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: then there's a fumble at the end and it changes possession.

731
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: Well guess what plus two for the opposing defense, you know,

732
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: at the end of a game. And we used to

733
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: have arguments with people all the time, and you'd explain

734
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: it to them. It's like, look, if you want as commissioner,

735
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: we've given you the power to go override it. But

736
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: don't be surprised if you have a mutiny by the

737
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: rest of your league.

738
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 3: Oh man, it's no fun. But hey, the rules are rules.

739
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: No.

740
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: We saw last year with the Bengals Bills game. You

741
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: know there's every site handled it like their own way. Yep,

742
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 3: some I thought better than others, but one hundred percent. Yeah, people,

743
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: you gotta get that stuff in order too, because people

744
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 3: will complain. All right, let's get to the waiver wire.

745
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 3: Wrap this episode up. Who do we pick up in

746
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: a week fourteen? Buye's no longer a thing? So we

747
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: got a full slate of sixteen games. You know, the

748
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 3: Chargers aren't gonna have justin Herbert. Something we'll dive into

749
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 3: later on in the week in the podcast. You got

750
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: the Chargers and Raiders coming up on Thursday night. But

751
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: let's look ahead, Mike, your waiver wire pickups for week fifteen.

752
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna keep it short and sweet. Obviously a

753
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: short week here, Thursday game and then three Saturday games,

754
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: so a little bit of chaos to mix there, and

755
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: we'll see if Detroit can lose another game. Can you

756
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 2: tell there's a little animus. I got tired of everybody

757
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: jumping on that bad way, and I want to see

758
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: how quickly they flee it.

759
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: Anyway, so we're heading thirty years of misery and Harvard's

760
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 3: sick of it in three months.

761
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: Well, it's like you with the Warriors, Dan, That's true.

762
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: It was almost twenty eight years of misery and then bam,

763
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 2: all right, quick and easy. At the quarterback position, Browning

764
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: has been fantastic, just ridiculous, Available in almost three quarters

765
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 2: of leagues. A date against Minnesota, so we'll see how

766
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: he handles blitzing early and often. But he's been impressive,

767
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: so he's at least worth a rostering at this point

768
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: because we've seen so many guys drop like flies. Thus

769
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: the opportunity that he got, and so long as Jamar

770
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 2: Chase is on the field, good thing are gonna happen.

771
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford, he's got a date with Washington Dan opportunity

772
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: knocks Pooka Nakua. You actually saw Cooper Cup in the

773
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: end zone a game they should have won against Baltimore,

774
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: one of those crazy endings we didn't even get to

775
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: when you have a punt return for a touchdown. We

776
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: don't get punt returns really for kick returns for anything.

777
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 2: And there you go, a game winner in ot Stafford.

778
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: Available in about forty five percent of leagues. Let's go

779
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: to the running back position. Just a couple of guys

780
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 2: you got to look at. Keep an eye on Zeke Elliott.

781
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: Even if Stevenson's cleared for their game, they've got Kansas City.

782
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 2: Zeke Elliott's been an active member out of the backfield

783
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: as a receiver here the last couple of weeks, Bailey

784
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: Zappi making plays and he had a good game twenty

785
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 2: seven points. Ridiculous this last time out thirteen the week before.

786
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: So a guy that I think could see some time.

787
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: I've been banging the drum for ty Chandler. Look, they

788
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: made the change at quarterback. Now it's time to recognize

789
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: you've got an explosive runner that's there and waiting on

790
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 2: the other side of that game. Minnesota Cincinnati a very

791
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: interesting squad matchup this week. Tay j. Spears, we referenced

792
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: him earlier talking about the Monday night games and what

793
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: he's been doing as a receiver. Of late forty five

794
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 2: percent owned thus far, and again PPR leagues, maybe worth

795
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: a look see wide receivers just real quick. Jayden Reid's

796
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: still available in thirty eight percent of leagues. We'll see

797
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: what Christian Watson's story is. But against the Tampa secondary

798
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: and opportunity to make some players, and the fact that

799
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: Reid was seeing the ball as a runner right end

800
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: to rounds and just tried to get the ball in

801
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: his hands, that bodes well again owing to the issues

802
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: running the ball with Aaron Jones and aj Dillon that

803
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: we alluded to earlier. Odell Beckham Junior has found his

804
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: space in that Baltimore offense. They've got a date against Jacksonville,

805
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: one of the great games on the schedule this week.

806
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 2: And then Quentin Johnston actually caught the ball a couple times. Dan,

807
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: I love mentioning Justin Herbert and the injury that we'll

808
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: talk about at length and in the next podcast. But

809
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: you know, we saw a couple of big plays and

810
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: let's face it, a guy that for part of parts

811
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: of the year would have been relegated to working with

812
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: the second unit, and we always wait for guys to

813
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: emerge out of that. For Johnston, maybe there's something with

814
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: the connection the stick that'll allow him to have a

815
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: little bit a bigger opportunity here going forward. So a

816
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 2: big date ahead for them as well, you know, on

817
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: Thursday night against the Raiders. So for Johnston, I know

818
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: he's been rostered in about twenty percent of leagues and

819
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: he's been a disappointment to this point. If nothing else,

820
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 2: he represents I think a really nice low end daily

821
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: fantasy play against that Raiders defense.

822
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 3: There it is Mike Harmon's waiver wire pickups four Week fifteen,

823
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,959
Speaker 3: get Mike gat swollendolme. You can find me at dan

824
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 3: Byer on Fox. All right, there was a jam packed episode.

825
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: We'll be back with more episodes throughout the week. We

826
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 3: understand that it's winning time. Some leagues still have a

827
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: final week of the regular season. In my longtime league, Mike,

828
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: you know, it's a limited league. We've probably got ten owners,

829
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: so we play fifteen games that only have two rounds

830
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: of playoffs, but a lot of teams going into the

831
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 3: playoff bracket, so some may take a week off because

832
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 3: they have a bye, but they all if you still

833
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: stick around and listen to the podcast, so we will

834
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: be here for you all week long. So for Mike Carmen,

835
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 3: I'm Dan Beyer. We will talk to you next time

836
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: right here, and I want your FLEs