1 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: This is the OTP, presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: Farm Bureau Health Plans has been serving members and protecting 3 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: their health for seventy six years. That's all the way 4 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: back to nineteen forty seven. Learn about our Tennessee roots 5 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: at FBHP dot com with Amy Wells. I'm Mike Keith, 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: so glad to have you, so glad to have you. 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: It's good to be here, glad to have the ot people, 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: and glad to talk with some more of our coaches, 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: and really want to thank Mike Vrabel, who will be 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: our guest on the OTP next week. Yes, so that's 11 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: the July fourth edition of the OTP is with Mike Rabel. 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: But one of the things he did for us, we said, 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: we had such a great conversation with Tim Kelly at 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: the combine, could we do more of that? And he 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: said yes, yeah sure. I was like, okay, I thought 16 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: I thought it would be harder. But he likes the 17 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Official Titans Podcast. He liked Rabel likes the OTP. He 18 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: understands what it is. 19 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:04,639 Speaker 2: He's one of the ot people. 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: You think, sure, you think he listens. 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 3: I like to think, well, okay, anyway, don't ruin it 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: okay for me. 23 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: Well, he's great and he'll be on next week and 24 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: he it's gonna be it's rable, so it'll be a 25 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: lot of fun. But we had a chance to sit 26 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: down with some of the coaches and last week on 27 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: the OTP you're to Anthony Levine and Low Locus, both 28 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: new members of the staff. And this week we start 29 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: with Charles London, who is the quarterback coach and the 30 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: passing game coordinator. He comes from the Falcons. I've known 31 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: Charles London for twelve thirteen years. 32 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: Wow. 33 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: He was here as an offensive assistant back during the 34 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: Munchak era. Okay, he shared an office with Arthur Smith. 35 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: He was also here at roughly the same time as 36 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon, who's now the head coach of the Arizona Cardinals. Wow, 37 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: so much could pick him. Yeah, and Charles is listen, 38 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: he is on his way to be a head coach. 39 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: He is. He's not as young as he looks because 40 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: he got a late start in the business and it's 41 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: a remarkable story. Remarkable, but when he decided to coach, 42 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: he has taken off from there and he is a 43 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: really special guy. Yeah, you got a chance to meet 44 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: him in Indianapolis, I have, and he remembered me, yeah, 45 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: which stunned me. 46 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because it. 47 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: Had been over a decade and we used to talk though. 48 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: I mean back in those days, you know, I'd see 49 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: him in the lunch room or whatever and we'd have 50 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: nice visits and I was like, that guy's really sharp, 51 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, and the players loved him. 52 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: And but yeah, he was happy to see you. 53 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: And I was lucky enough to just be standing in 54 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 3: the vicinity and got to meet him and have conversations 55 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: with him. And what a nice guy, super sharp really 56 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: and just an engaging human to talk to. 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: You get it? I want you to This is the 58 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur thing. This is the Arthur Smith thing. I 59 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: want you to listen to this interview ot people and 60 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: see if you don't agree with me, because I think 61 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: you will. But this is a future head coach. Charles London, 62 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: Titans quarterback coach and passing game coordinator on BOT three. 63 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: Charles's been a big twenty twenty three for you already. 64 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: You go to the Reese's Senior Bowl and get a 65 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: chance to be an offensive coordinator down there. What was 66 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: that like? 67 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 4: Oh? 68 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: It was great. 69 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 5: It was a great experience, and I first had to 70 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 5: thank the Atlanta Falcons and Arthur Smith for nominating me 71 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 5: to do that, and I was really honored to be selected. 72 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 5: It was a great experience because I got to work 73 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 5: with a whole bunch of other coaches from around the 74 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 5: league that you don't know. So a lot of our 75 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 5: prep was done on zoom and catching them up to 76 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 5: speed about what we're gonna do in the offensive plan, 77 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 5: and then getting down there and being able to do 78 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 5: things that I've never done it for the first time, 79 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 5: scripting all the practices, calling the plays, doing all the installs. 80 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 5: So it was a great experience. I met a lot 81 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 5: of great guys, and the players were great. They were energetic, 82 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 5: they came out there ready to work, So it was 83 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 5: a good experience for me. 84 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: Did you get anybody here that you had in the 85 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl? 86 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 6: Ty J. 87 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 5: Spears was on our Ah, Yeah, he was on our team, 88 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 5: So you had a little intel. I did had a 89 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 5: little intel, and he brought a lot of energy and 90 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 5: a lot of juice as you can see out there 91 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 5: as he's doing in practice now. But I thought he 92 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 5: was a really talented player. Obviously, was good in the 93 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 5: receiving game, I thought he could run good routes. Obviously, 94 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 5: he was a really talented runner, had a big senior 95 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 5: year there at Tulane, and I just like to ad 96 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 5: his attitude. I like the way he approached practice every day, 97 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 5: and I'm really glad he's on our team now. 98 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: Tough to leave Arthur Smith and come here. What was 99 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: it about this opportunity that was so appealing? 100 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 5: Well, I've I've always had a lot of respect for 101 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 5: this organization and this is kind of my second stint here. 102 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 5: I was here in twenty eleven as well, so very 103 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 5: fond memories. But you know, the chance to work for 104 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 5: coach Rabel and to work with Tim Kelly again and 105 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 5: a lot of guys on the offensive staff and defense 106 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 5: staff what I was familiar with, had worked with whether 107 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 5: I was at Penn State or at Houston with the Texans. 108 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 5: So just a really good opportunity, and you know, I'm 109 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 5: just really excited about it, and you know, really excited 110 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 5: with working with Braves and Timy. 111 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: Again, especially about Tim and your relationship with him and 112 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: the synergy that you have offensively, what's the real key 113 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:17,119 Speaker 1: to that in your mind? 114 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 6: You know, I can you know, I know how Timmy thinks. 115 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 5: So Timmy and I were together for you know, two 116 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 5: years at Penn State and four years together at Houston, 117 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 5: and obviously we've remained in touch since then. But I 118 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 5: understand what he's trying to do. I understand how he thinks, 119 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 5: and I think early on I could help with some 120 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 5: of the transition of the terminology about what he was 121 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 5: trying to say, or what this may have met, or 122 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 5: how I could translate that from what maybe they know 123 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 5: from what they knew last year to how I know 124 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 5: Tim want to call it. So I could help bridge 125 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 5: that gap there. And then you know, my job here 126 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 5: is the quarterback coach and passing coordinator is really to 127 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 5: help support Tim to the best of my ability to 128 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 5: help this team be successful and to help the quarterbacks. 129 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: What does the passing game coordinator do specifically? 130 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 5: You know, really, and I see there's really I try 131 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 5: to help set the table for Tim, so, you know, 132 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 5: to Tim's got a lot of things on his plate. 133 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 5: So I think going into the season, going to a 134 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 5: game week, I can try to come to him with 135 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 5: early ideas of how maybe I should think we should 136 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 5: atack him on first and second down or third down 137 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 5: and kind of set the table for him then and 138 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 5: then he can quort of sort through it and then 139 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 5: bring his ideas as well and just try to help 140 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 5: him keep the flow going in the train moving. 141 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: Not long ago, you get to go to Minneapolis to 142 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: the Coaching Accelerator. What was that experience like for you? 143 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 4: It was good. 144 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 6: It was my second year going. 145 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 5: I went last year when it was in Atlanta as well, 146 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 5: and I think it's a great opportunity just to network 147 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 5: with your peers at a non competitive football environment and 148 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 5: get a chance to meet different coaches from around the 149 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 5: league and kind of, you know, exchange ideas with them. 150 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 6: And it's also really good. 151 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 5: It's a rare opportunity to be in a room with 152 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 5: all thirty two owners, like I don't know how often 153 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 5: that happens, and prickly for a person that's side a 154 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 5: head coach. 155 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 6: So there's a social gathering. 156 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 5: One night was Monday night with all the owners, so 157 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 5: every owners there and you have the chance just to 158 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 5: kind of mingle and meet owners and just really let 159 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 5: them get to know you as a person. And then 160 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 5: the next morning there's always an opportunity to eat breakfast 161 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 5: with shovel owner. So it's kind of we call it 162 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 5: like speed dating, but you go to one table and 163 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 5: there's two owners from a team there and you get 164 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 5: a chance to just meet with them and eat breakfast 165 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 5: and just talk and let them get to know you 166 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 5: and let your personality show, and they kind of blow 167 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 5: the whistle and you're on to the next table. But 168 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 5: it's really exciting, and I think the NFL is doing 169 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,559 Speaker 5: a really good job of trying to promote minority coaches 170 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 5: and get guys out there in front of owners. 171 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: You touched on your twenty eleven experience here. You were 172 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: an offensive assistant during the lockout year? 173 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 5: Correct, What was that like? It was different? It was 174 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 5: really crazy. I got hired during the combine. So I 175 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 5: got hired the combine. So I started here probably early March, 176 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 5: and Arthur Smith and I shared an office, that little 177 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 5: office right there on the corner with no windows, more 178 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 5: like a closet than an office. So we shared that 179 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 5: office and it was good because you're prepping like things. 180 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 5: You never knew when that lockout was going to end, 181 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 5: so you're prepping, you're prepping, prepping, and then May and 182 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 5: June comes and there's still no players, and so that 183 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 5: was really a good time to get to know Arthur 184 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 5: a little bit and get to know the other guys 185 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 5: on the staff because it was more than just about 186 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 5: football at that time. It was all guys from all 187 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 5: around and get to know each other a little bit. 188 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 5: Then we show back up in the summer and there's 189 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 5: still no player, so which was really odd. Then all 190 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 5: of a sudden, the lockout's over and two days later 191 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 5: you're writ into practice. So it was a very unique experience. 192 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 5: It was one that I won't forget and I always 193 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 5: look back upon my first time here with fond memories. 194 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 5: And that's why when I had the opportunity to come 195 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 5: back here, I was really excited about it. 196 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: And you got Matt Hasselbeck in there very late, which 197 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: was something. I mean, that's one of the strangest seasons 198 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: because you could beat the very best team in the 199 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: league one week and then lose to the very worst 200 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: team in the league the next week. Because everybody had 201 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: been thrown together in such a crazy way. 202 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, you know, it just came together so fast, 203 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 5: and all of a sudden you were here, you're practicing, 204 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 5: and games were upon us, and that's. 205 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 6: Exactly how our season win. 206 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 4: It was. 207 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 5: You know, the highs of highs and lows and lows, 208 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 5: and it came down to that last game of the 209 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 5: year against Houston. We won the game and we thought 210 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 5: potentially we had a chance to go to the playoffs, 211 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 5: but the things didn't fall our away with another game 212 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 5: that had to happen. But it was a very very 213 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 5: unique season, and you know, the players came in and 214 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,599 Speaker 5: it was really testament to the players. They had to 215 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 5: come in and shape and you know, without having you know, 216 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 5: been through all the offset program, and we were putting 217 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 5: in a whole new offense. 218 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 6: So from there we had to start and. 219 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 5: Be like, Okay, we had planned to do all this, 220 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 5: but we've got two weeks for our first preseason game. 221 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 5: We can't put in everything that we wanted to originally 222 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 5: put in, So we had to scale back things there, 223 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 5: and like you said, we had to hastle back. And 224 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 5: then Jake Locker was a rookie, so we were trying 225 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 5: to mesh those two together. 226 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 6: So it's a very unique expert. 227 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: How much does that help you an experience like that 228 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: and the college experience about not having as much time 229 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: and maybe being able to have the ability to put 230 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: things together quickly. 231 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it makes you focus on, you know, 232 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 5: maybe your core plays and figuring out a way to 233 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 5: execute things and maybe run the same plays, but figure 234 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 5: out creative ways. 235 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 6: To dress up those concepts. 236 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 5: So and it is very similar to you know, the 237 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 5: college world where there's not as much time. You only 238 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 5: have so much time you can work with the players. 239 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 5: So we tried to simplify things the best that we could, 240 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 5: with still not keeping it too simple. 241 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 6: And you know, I thought the. 242 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 5: Players took to it well, and then we kept kind 243 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,599 Speaker 5: of pushing the limit a little bit to see what 244 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 5: they could handle. And we had some success that year 245 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 5: an offense, So it was good. 246 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: Charles. When you finished at Duke, you didn't think you 247 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: were going to coach, did you. 248 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 6: I did not. 249 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 5: I thought I was either going into the Secret Service 250 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 5: or the CIA. That's where my mind was at, is 251 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 5: what I wanted to do. When I was graduating from Duke, 252 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 5: and maybe two or three weeks before graduation, one of 253 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 5: our assistant athletic directors, her husband was one of the 254 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 5: associate commissions of the ACC conference, and she asked me 255 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 5: what my plans were, and I said, well, I really 256 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 5: love sports, but this is what I'm thinking about doing. 257 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 5: And she goes, well, my husband is negotiating with Disney's 258 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 5: Wide World of Sports down in Florida to host acc events, 259 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 5: and give him a call and interview with him in 260 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 5: two j thinks. So I called him his Rick christ 261 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 5: and I interviewed with him, and he kind of wrote 262 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 5: me into the contract. So I was the first first 263 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 5: intern down there at Disney's Wide World of Sports. And 264 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 5: I started really as an intern for eight months, got hired, 265 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 5: than I was into kind of the working world for 266 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 5: a little bit, and then I got into the stadium 267 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 5: and event management. So I was nineteen ninety nine and 268 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 5: with the Cleveland Brown Stadium to help them open their 269 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 5: new stadium as the assistant manager, and then eventually got 270 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 5: hired by the New England Patriots as their director of 271 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 5: stadium Operations for Gillette Stadium. So I was telling Burke 272 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 5: the other day that if we need help with the 273 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 5: new stadium, I've done it twice, so I can help. 274 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 6: I know all the tricks of the jow. 275 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: You've got good jobs. And then one day you say 276 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: I want to coach. 277 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was probably twenty nine, thirty years old. 278 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: I mean, did you think to yourself at that point, look, 279 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: this is what I want to do. But I can't 280 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: give this up. 281 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 6: You know I did. 282 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 5: There was some there was some tough decisions to make, 283 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 5: but I told myself, look, I don't want to regret 284 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 5: this for the rest of my life. I think I 285 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 5: want to coach, and if I'm going to pull the trigger, 286 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 5: I got to do it now. So I left my 287 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 5: job in New England, went back to Duke where I 288 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 5: played and started as a graduate assistant. And so I 289 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 5: called down there and I said, look, I want to 290 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 5: get into coaching. Ted Roof was the head coach at 291 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 5: the time, and he had recruited me out of high 292 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 5: school to Duke and then he got the head coaching 293 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 5: job there and I said, you know, I'll do anything. 294 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 5: And they had a recruiting GA position open. So if 295 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 5: anybody knows anything about a GA spot, oh, you don't 296 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 5: get paid. It's recruiting GA. You don't get paid. It's 297 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 5: really a stipend. You got to go back to Clauds 298 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 5: thirty years old. You got to go back to class. 299 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 5: I was in class with eighteen, nineteen twenty year olds 300 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 5: and then there were a couple of days I'm like, 301 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 5: what am I doing? But my passion for football, you know, 302 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 5: just kept driving me. So I gaed there for two years, 303 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 5: and then my third year there, I got hired to 304 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 5: coach the running backs and kind of been in coaching 305 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 5: ever since. 306 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: And you ended up in scouting at one point with 307 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: the Eagles. 308 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 4: I did. I did. 309 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 5: So I was a quality control coach for three years 310 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 5: zero seven to eight oh nine, and then in twenty 311 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 5: ten except at a pro scouting job with the Philadelphia Eagles. 312 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 5: And it was a really eye opening experience for me 313 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 5: because it made me see things from a different perspective, 314 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 5: from a scouts perspective, because I'd only been a coach, 315 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 5: so I saw things one certain way. But then you 316 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 5: got to turn around look at it from a scouts perspective, 317 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 5: and they're looking for, you know, height, weight, speed, traits, 318 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 5: and coaches are looking for how can this guy help 319 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 5: me right now? Where scouts are projecting what the guy 320 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 5: can be. So that was a really valuable experience for me, 321 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 5: and I really think it paid off my next step. 322 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 5: When I went to Penn State, I was a recruiting 323 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 5: coordinator running backs coach, so the evaluation of talent really 324 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 5: carried over to recruiting coordinator aspect of it. 325 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: What makes Mike Rabel such a special coach. 326 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 5: You know, he's demanding, but he's fair, and I think 327 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:08,599 Speaker 5: that's all you could ask for for a player. I 328 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 5: think he's got a great relationship with the players. Obviously 329 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 5: he's been a player, so he can relate to him 330 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 5: in that way, and I think the players really appreciate that. 331 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 5: But he's direct, and he's honest, and he's fair, and 332 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 5: that's all you can ever ask for for a coach. 333 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 5: And I think he's a great motivator. And haven't been 334 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 5: with him for a season in a while, since we 335 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 5: were together in Houston, but the way he prepares the 336 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 5: team is very unique. 337 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: Introducing the new Duncan Rewards program. These are rewards that 338 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: you can really use. 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But I think. 350 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: More than once. 351 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike Keith loves rewards points. 352 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: I do, but I don't think that Kroger feel points. Yeah. 353 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: I don't think there's one you use more than the 354 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 3: dunkin app though, that one's up. 355 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: That's the one I use the most. 356 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be true. 357 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, but see the apps, I mean to 358 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: order a head so convenient. 359 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you are ahead of your time when 360 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: it comes. 361 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: To I don't know about you are. 362 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: You've been doing it years before I have. 363 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: You've been taking advantage of me. 364 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: You're an early adapter. 365 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm an early adapter of the app. I'm an early 366 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: app adapter. Let's move a thank you. Tony Doues is 367 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: one of my favorite people with the Tennessee Titans. 368 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: Would you agree, Yes, I agree with that. 369 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: Tony dous comes in here ball coach coaching. Max says 370 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: about him, ball coach, and he's theunning back coach, and 371 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: he is Derek Henry's coach, and Derek loves him, and 372 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: everybody on staff loves Tony. He's a really good on 373 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: the field coach. He's a really good communicator, and this 374 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: offseason Mike Rabol gives him an opportunity to expand what 375 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: he does to become the tight end coach. And some 376 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: of the OT people might be listening saying, well, is 377 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: that really a step up? Yes? But how many tight 378 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: end coaches become offensive coordinators? A lot, because that is 379 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: the only position on the staff that is deeply involved 380 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: in both run game and pass game game planning. Everybody's 381 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: involved in some, but you know the big part. You know, 382 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: like the offensive line coach, the tight end coach, they're 383 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: very involved in the run game plan. Running back coach 384 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: would be involved in that. Quarterback coach, tight end coach, 385 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: wide receiver coach involved more in the passing game plan. 386 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: Tight end involved in both of them. Yeah, so it's 387 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: a it's a step forward. As Vrabel went with the 388 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: redo of the staff, he said to Tony Dows, we 389 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: need you to take more and that's what he's doing. 390 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: So here's Tony Dows talking about his move and his career, 391 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: and you'll understand why we like him so much and 392 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: also understand, like Charles London, why he's he's got more 393 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: future in his career too. Tony Duo's with us on 394 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: the ot T. Talk to us about how Mike Vrabel 395 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: approached you about becoming the tight end coach. 396 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 7: Well, it was after season ended. We do our yearly 397 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 7: exit interviews, evaluation, coaching evaluations. We sat down and he 398 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 7: gave me, you know, the feedback my evaluation of the 399 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 7: season where we were obviously some staff changes had been 400 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 7: made at that point, and he just said, Hey, I've 401 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 7: been thinking, what would you think about possibly moving the 402 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 7: tight ends? And you know, we just were having some 403 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 7: dialogue and he just said, hey, kind of think about it, uh, 404 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 7: and then we'll circle back. He's you know, he mentioned 405 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 7: he thought that it would be a good move for me, 406 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 7: an opportunity to get more involved in the passing game, 407 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 7: have a little bit more responsibility within the offense. And 408 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 7: so I did went kind of slept on it, and 409 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 7: we circled back, and I was excited about the opportunity. 410 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 7: You know, the more I thought about I played the position, 411 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 7: so I had a little bit of familiarity from that perspective, 412 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 7: and then I coached it at a couple of different 413 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 7: stops throughout my career coaching college ball. So I was 414 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 7: appreciative that he he thought enough for me to give 415 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 7: me more responsibility and felt that I could help the 416 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 7: organization that way. 417 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 4: So here we are. 418 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: I want you to dig into that a little more force, 419 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: if you would, because in college the tight end coaches 420 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: coaching the guys who played tight end. In the pros, 421 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: there's more of a scheme and you're sort of pulling 422 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: everything together among the whole. 423 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 7: Group, right right with my experience in college. I did 424 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 7: it early on at Central Michigan back I believe two 425 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 7: thousand and three or four, where I was coaching the 426 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 7: tackle tight ends, then became tight ends special teams coordinator, 427 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 7: and depends where you are the college game at that time. 428 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 7: And then I did it again. I coached him again 429 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 7: in twenty eleven at Pitt and at that time in 430 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 7: the college game, it was a lot more ten personnel, 431 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 7: a lot more spread formations, so you know, the tight 432 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 7: end was in and out in both places. I was 433 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 7: fortunate enough to have some tight ends that were athletics 434 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 7: that could split out and play in the traditional passing formations. 435 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 7: It looked like for wide but they were athletic enough 436 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 7: where that skill set that they had fit more that 437 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 7: a couple of guys were former receivers that had grown 438 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 7: into gotten big and maybe maybe been a step slow. 439 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 7: I'm sure they'd be upset with them if they heard 440 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 7: me saying a step slow to be a receiver, but 441 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 7: that had transitioned to the tight end spot. So I 442 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 7: was fortunate to be able to coach it that way 443 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 7: with a hybrid type guy as well as a true 444 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 7: inline blocker. 445 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: The tight end for a while had almost disappeared from 446 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: the college game, and now the tight end is very 447 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: much backup part of the college game. It had never 448 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: gone away in the pros, but there's even more of 449 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: a use of the tight end in the NFL. Why 450 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: are tight ends more prevalent, in your opinion, in the 451 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: college and the pro game in twenty twenty three. Do 452 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: you have a theory? 453 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 7: Well, I think my thought for the college game would 454 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 7: be just those guys that are bigger receivers. For an example, 455 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 7: like Mark Andrews when I was coming when I was 456 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 7: coaching at Arizona, Marcus from Arizona, and I had a 457 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 7: chance to go try to recruit him a little bit, 458 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 7: and he was a big receiver, and not that he 459 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 7: was slow by any stretching imagination. But you know, maybe 460 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 7: he was running high for sixes low for seven's that 461 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 7: I said at that time, and you know, there may 462 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 7: have been some receivers that were running faster, certainly a 463 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 7: little smaller stature. 464 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 4: So you project guys. 465 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 7: Like Mark to be a tight end at the next 466 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 7: level in college, in which he did when he went 467 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 7: to Oklahoma and then obviously flourished there and has had 468 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 7: a great starters an NFL career. So I think that's 469 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 7: why you're getting some of the bigger receivers that are athletic. 470 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 7: You can do some things with the ball in the hand, 471 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 7: but you may have some guys faster. So why have 472 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 7: those guys sitting on the sideline when they can be 473 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 7: out help you in some other ways. And then in 474 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 7: college they also aren't They aren't asking them to block 475 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 7: at the end of the line of scrimmager at the 476 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 7: point of attack like these guys are in the NFL. 477 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 7: And so my experience when I got here, although coaching 478 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 7: running backs, obviously I watched Art do his do the 479 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 7: job that he did here, and then the guys that 480 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 7: we had on the roster, so it was saying something 481 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 7: completely different. The usage of the tight ends and the 482 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 7: different packages whether we were in twelve or thirteen some 483 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 7: twenty two stuff, and just the job that with the 484 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 7: group that was already here and for me from the 485 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 7: outside watching how Art and then Todd eventually how they 486 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 7: took those groups and really utilize that personnel that we 487 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,239 Speaker 7: had and we had a lot of success with and 488 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 7: obviously you see the success that we have as Matt 489 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 7: was here and then we transitioned Arthur and his effect 490 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 7: in the run game to play action pass game and 491 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 7: all those things. 492 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 4: Those guys that we had here did a great job. 493 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 1: Your guys are so different. I mean every tight end 494 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: is a little bit different in different ways. Is that 495 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: an unusual thing about coaching this group? 496 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 7: For me for going through it the first time, I 497 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 7: really don't know. I just know what I know who's 498 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 7: in there, and they all do have a different skill set, 499 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 7: which is a great challenge as a coach that I 500 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 7: get to be involved, and I think that's the beauty 501 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 7: of coaching. The disposition is Tim's going to do a 502 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 7: great job just like the guys that we're here in 503 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 7: the past have done in terms of how to use 504 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 7: those guys and how to use them according to their 505 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 7: skill sets. 506 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 4: So it's a challenge. 507 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 7: It's a great challenge for me and an exciting challenge 508 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 7: to be able to try to figure out what they 509 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 7: do best. Obviously, you're trying to make them all a 510 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 7: complete player and be and to be able to play 511 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 7: in every situation. But we'll eventually as we get in 512 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 7: the game plan and we'll we'll kind of hone in 513 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 7: on each each individual guy and what their particular skill 514 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 7: set is to help us as an organization, help us 515 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 7: as a team, and then we'll put them in the 516 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 7: best spots to help them have. 517 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 4: Success and be successful as players. 518 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 7: That's beauty of coaching, right, Yes, yes, it's a you know, 519 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 7: that's coaching is one of those things where I like, 520 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 7: I've always felt like sure I could go out in 521 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 7: the real world and and work in corporate America probably, 522 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 7: But the thing about coaching I love, you know, the 523 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 7: you can you kind of have an idea of the 524 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 7: result of your job. Every day when I walk out 525 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 7: of the building, it's either been a successful day or 526 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 7: it's been a long day, but you know the result. 527 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 7: It's not like, Okay, I come in do my work 528 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 7: at five o'clock. The bell rings, like on the flint 529 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 7: zones back in the day that that horn blows and 530 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 7: I'm out of here, you know, and who knows what 531 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 7: happened in that day, if I finished the task or not. 532 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 7: I'm leaving work days over. It's not that way here. 533 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 7: You can kind of see the result of your work 534 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 7: every day when practice is over. So that's the fun part, 535 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 7: the challenging part. Some days you know that, and coaching, 536 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 7: you say, is never as good as you think. It 537 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 7: is never as bad as you think it is. But 538 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 7: you can walk out there. Some days it went really 539 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 7: well and you're at home and you don't think you know, 540 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 7: you think about okay this that. But the days when 541 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 7: it's bad, as when you're staring at the ceiling at 542 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 7: two o'clock in the morning trying to figure out what 543 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 7: I have to do to get guy X or Y 544 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 7: to do what we need for him to be successful, 545 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 7: but then ultimately for the team to be successful. 546 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: Who's your biggest influence in coaching? 547 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 7: Calvin McGee. Calvin, ironically this time a year ago he 548 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 7: passed away. He had a heart attack last year and 549 00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 7: he was buried the Saturday over Memorial Day. So this 550 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 7: is this has been a little bit different week. But 551 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 7: but Calvin was an unbelievable influence. It started out when 552 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 7: I met him at West Virginia back in two thousand. 553 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 4: It was more like a father's son. 554 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 7: Because he's he was ten years older than me, and 555 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 7: he got me into it. And the one thing Calvin 556 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 7: said to me right away when he met me was 557 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 7: just be yourself. And he always just saying coaching because 558 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 7: you get frustrated about something not going well or you're 559 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 7: worried about something, you say, be yourself and let your 560 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 7: work speak for you. 561 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 4: And you know, we went. 562 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 7: From we grew in that relationship from kind of a 563 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 7: father son type figure when we were younger too, we 564 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 7: became more like brother went from boss ga to father's 565 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 7: son kind of feel to eventually, you know, he really 566 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 7: made me feel like I was an equal. We were 567 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 7: on the same field playing field, and he would come 568 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 7: and you know, and then he got to a point 569 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 7: where he'd ask me stuff and take by input in 570 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 7: terms of what we were doing schematically. And then when 571 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 7: I had an opportunity to come to the NFL, you know, 572 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 7: he was always interested in what we were doing and 573 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 7: and it was that was it was. It was an 574 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 7: awesome thing to to grow with each other in that way, 575 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 7: and that, you know, if you were going to get 576 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 7: the respect of one person in the world, he was 577 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 7: a guy that I really really enjoyed that he respected 578 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 7: me as a coach and saw me as an equal. 579 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: You've played tight end, You've coached tight end, You've coached 580 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: wide receivers, You've coached running backs, you've coached special teams, 581 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: you've coached linebackers. What am I leaving out? 582 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 4: Defensive line? 583 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: You've coached defensive line. 584 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 7: And then when I was a graduate assistant my first 585 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 7: year in college, I was I worked in the secondary. 586 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: So for those of us who don't know coaching, were like, 587 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: how do you do that? How do you How do 588 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: you learn to coach all of those positions? And doesn't 589 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: take somebody that has some pretty special talent to be 590 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: able to do it. 591 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 4: I appreciate you saying that. 592 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 7: I think, first and foremost coaching is teaching, right, and 593 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 7: I enjoy teaching. I enjoy learning, and you know, I 594 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 7: think the biggest thing is you have to be a 595 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 7: lifelong learner. 596 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 4: And one of the things. 597 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 7: That Art brought to the table a couple of years 598 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,239 Speaker 7: ago when we came back up it may have been 599 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 7: in nineteen when he took over, but he always talked 600 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 7: about having a growth mindset. And then I think I 601 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 7: read a book. I think it was Carolyn dwag or 602 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 7: maybe mixing the authors up, it was one of them 603 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 7: wrote Grit and then the other one I read was 604 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 7: mindset or having a growth mindset, and that for me, 605 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 7: you know, the thought of always been a lifelong learner 606 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 7: is big because you can someone once I heard say, 607 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 7: or my mom maybe says, is when you stop learning, 608 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 7: you might as well die, right, so we can learn 609 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 7: something every day. We can learn from somebody, you know. 610 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 7: I felt like, I don't you know, I've grown up 611 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 7: around some people and coaching it. 612 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 4: You don't have to be the smartest people in the room, the. 613 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,959 Speaker 7: Smartest person in the room, because you can learn from everybody. 614 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 7: And then so for me, it's if that if there's 615 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 7: an opportunity to coach another position, go do it. 616 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 4: It's it's all. 617 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 7: It's always helped me continue to climb in a profession, 618 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 7: and it's it's taught me to go rely on other people. 619 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 7: You know, you can cheat in football. I always say, 620 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 7: so I'm going to coach the tight ends or I'm 621 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 7: a coach of Ray. When I came here and coach 622 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 7: the running backs, I called on people to ask them 623 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 7: what they did. I called other coaches after my first 624 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 7: year in the league, I called I just got on 625 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 7: the phone and start co calling people that I met 626 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 7: at the combine and see if they share anything with me. 627 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 4: You know. So it's kind of the same thing. 628 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 7: It's it's where I picked arch brain, Todd's brain, Tim downstairs, uh, 629 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 7: watching film like it was great, you know, doing evaluations 630 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 7: for free agency the first time, and really, you know, 631 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 7: you watch ten or eleven tight ends and you watch 632 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 7: two to three hundred snaps of each one of them, 633 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 7: you start to kind of see patterns develop. 634 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 4: Watch our own guys. 635 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 7: Obviously Chig did a really good job for us. Last 636 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 7: your swain who So watch our own guys and kind 637 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 7: of a raider. So the guys are here, just watch film, 638 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 7: talk to people and then kind of put your own 639 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 7: spin on it and go for it. 640 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: When I think about sayings and I think about you, 641 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: I heard a saying from a football coach once is 642 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: there is an edge out there, and the edges attitude, 643 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: and you have that attitude. You're one of the most 644 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: fun coaches I've ever been around to watch do your job. 645 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: It seems like you just love everything about it. When 646 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: when you're on the field, it's the best part. 647 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 7: Well, thank you, I appreciate you saying that, and it is. 648 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 7: It is fun being out and being around players. And 649 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 7: again that's kind of your test. When you get to 650 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 7: go out on the field, that's the test. 651 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 4: Right. 652 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 7: We've been in the classroom, we've been in meetings, we 653 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 7: then start. Now we get to go out on a 654 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 7: field field, and I get such a gratification from seeing 655 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 7: seeing people in general succeed, whether it's my own children 656 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 7: or the people that you work with, the people you coach. 657 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 7: It's almost like Christmas. I would rather see the expression 658 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 7: on my kids face, my wife's face, your face from something. 659 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 7: I give you as much as I would want, Like 660 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 7: my kids, I was. 661 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: Like, you don't ever want anything. 662 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 4: No, I don't want anything. 663 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 7: I get more joy out of seeing others be happy, 664 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 7: you know. And so when a guy has success on 665 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 7: the field, you know, there's just a joy, you know. 666 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 7: And I come in this building every day kind of approaching, 667 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 7: cause there's there's some. 668 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 4: Rough days, there's some rough nights, but I always. 669 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 7: Think about the day coach Brabel called me and offered 670 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 7: me the job, or the night that he called me, 671 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 7: and I was sitting in that hotel after I interviewed 672 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 7: in just the excitement. And so when you go through 673 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 7: a tough time or a tough moment in this situation, 674 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 7: I have to think back to how I used to 675 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 7: look at the guys in the league when I was 676 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 7: in Division two or when I was coaching high school ball, 677 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 7: and man, I wish I could be there. Well, now 678 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 7: I'm here, you know, and it's you're living a dream. 679 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 4: Every day. 680 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 7: You know, I can get up out of my bed 681 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 7: and the good good Lord has blessed me with another 682 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 7: day of life. I have breath in my body, so 683 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 7: take advantage of it. Because you know, as as I 684 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 7: mentioned Calvin passing away, I would have never thought he'd 685 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 7: passed at. 686 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 4: Fifty nine years old. 687 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,959 Speaker 7: So even that has made me think, you know, shoot, 688 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 7: it won't be long. I'll be fifty nine, so hopefully 689 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 7: I'm still go out. 690 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be You're not that close. How hard was 691 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: it to tell Derek Henry that you were changing positions? 692 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: It wouldn't be his position coach anymore. 693 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 7: It wasn't hard because Derek and I've been you know, 694 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 7: we've worked together alongside each other long enough that we've 695 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 7: had discussions and I'm not you know, I've told him 696 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 7: about my goals and aspirations to advance in this profession, 697 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 7: just like he shared his goals and thoughts, what he'd 698 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 7: like to accomplish in his career and so things like that. 699 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 7: So he understands where I want to go. And so 700 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 7: when I told him, he was excited for me. And 701 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 7: obviously we're still in the same building, so we'll see 702 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 7: each other. 703 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 4: I'll pop in that in. 704 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 7: That meeting room and holler at them every now and 705 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 7: then we'll be out there on the field, and so 706 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 7: even though we won't be in there every day together, 707 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 7: we'll still he's still here, I'm still here, so we'll 708 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 7: still have our times to interact, and I'll be able 709 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 7: to check on and make sure he's doing okay. 710 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 4: And I'm sure he'll do the same. 711 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: But Tony Dues never minded being known as Derrick Henry's coach. 712 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 4: Absolutely not. 713 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 7: You know, good players make good coaches, right, and sometimes 714 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 7: we make this thing too complicated. Derek has been an 715 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 7: absolute joy to coach, and it was fun because we 716 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 7: kind of. 717 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 4: Got started together here. 718 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 7: You know, I know it'd been here and he'd had 719 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 7: some success, but then he became a full time arder. 720 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 7: He accepted that role. You know, it was some challenging 721 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 7: times for him prior to where he is now. But 722 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 7: he never blinked, He never pouted, he never complained. He 723 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 7: just did whatever we asked him to do. And you know, 724 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 7: good things happen to good people. And I always anybody 725 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 7: have a chance. When I talk about Derek, I quickly 726 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 7: divert from the football player and let people know that 727 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 7: Derek is a better person. 728 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,479 Speaker 4: Than he is a football player. 729 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 7: And so that's been the greatest thing about coaching him 730 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 7: is that he is a great human being and he 731 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 7: gives his shirt off his back to anybody. 732 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: We're just talking to Charles London about it. You both 733 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: got to go to the coaching Accelerator for NFL coaches 734 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. What was that like for you, Tony? 735 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 4: It was awesome. 736 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 7: I appreciate coach Rabel, miss Amy and Ran giving me 737 00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 7: an opportunity to. 738 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 4: Go for a second year. Uh. 739 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 7: It was loaded with information, Uh quality information, really good information. 740 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 4: It's awesome that the league is. 741 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 7: Making it making a push or have has an initiative, 742 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 7: has a plan to continue to help create diversity. 743 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 4: Within the league. 744 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 7: And so to see the amount of people that are 745 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 7: interested in helping. To see the owners that I had 746 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 7: an opportunity to talk to and meet that they're working 747 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,720 Speaker 7: to uh continue to create diversity within the league. 748 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 4: It's just it's it's a lot of. 749 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 7: People coming together for for the same reasons and so 750 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 7: they're educating us. It was a very educational experience. Like 751 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 7: I said, it was an opportunity to meet other coaches 752 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 7: that have similar aspirations as myself and Charles. 753 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 4: It was. 754 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 7: It was an awesome time to uh just network with 755 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 7: those guys because someone in that room is going to 756 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 7: be a head coach and if if an opportunity or 757 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 7: door opens that way, great it was. It was it 758 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 7: was really really a good time meeting the meeting, and 759 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 7: not just meeting, but having to being able to sit 760 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 7: down and talk to the owners and you realize that 761 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 7: they are we sometimes we put them on pedestals because 762 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 7: of their positions in the positions in society or life 763 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 7: and the success that they've had, but it's it's really 764 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 7: awesome to know that they are just as down to 765 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 7: earth people as we are, and sometimes we get afraid 766 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 7: to go talk to them. But you know, here it's 767 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 7: not that way because when miss Amy and her family 768 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 7: comes into town, she sits down in the cafeteria or 769 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 7: whether she's out on the field, and she interacts with 770 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 7: all of us, and and her and Bill and Blanche 771 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 7: and all Kenneth Barclay, they all come and they all 772 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 7: are available to us and accessible to us. So that 773 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 7: that that was really fun. It was It was good. 774 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 7: It was an action pack two days and uh but 775 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 7: but it was a great opportunity to get glad. I 776 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 7: got to give back and get on the field and 777 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 7: practice a. 778 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 4: Little bit. 779 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: Tonydo's with us on the OTP. As we remind you 780 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 1: on the OTP that seat Geek is now the official 781 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: ticketing partner. Wait a minute, Seat Geek is also the 782 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: OTP of the Tennessee Titans Official ticketing partner. 783 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I was wondering how many times you 784 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 3: were going to say OTP in thirty seconds. 785 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: Whoa seat Geek is now the official ticketing partner of 786 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans. 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I love their tagline, Seat Geek, 795 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: so Titans fans can fan. 796 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 4: Yes. 797 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: I like that. 798 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 2: It is good, it works, it is clever. 799 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: It's very pithy, yes, and catchy. 800 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also short. I like a short tag line. 801 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: All right, we want to invite you to subscribe, rate 802 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: and review. 803 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, leave us comments. 804 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: We like with us with the OTP. Yeah, Mike vrabel 805 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: next week if you don't want to miss it. If 806 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: you're not a subscriber, then you need to know. 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