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Speaker 1: Hi listener.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to the episode, I want to take

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Speaker 2: a moment to address the June twenty fourth, twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: two Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe versus Wade. This

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Speaker 2: decision stripped away the right to have a safe and

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Speaker 2: legal abortion. Everyone should have the freedom to decide what's

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Speaker 2: best for themselves and their families, including when it comes

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Speaker 2: to ending a pregnancy. This decision has dire consequences for

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Speaker 2: individual health and safety, and could have harsh repercussions for

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Speaker 2: other landmark decisions. Restricting access to comprehensive reproductive care, including abortion,

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Speaker 2: please consider donating to abortion funds. I encourage you to

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Speaker 2: speak up, take care, and please spread the word.

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Speaker 3: Hell, I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear.

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Speaker 4: But you're a guest in my home.

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Speaker 3: You gotta come to me empty, and I said no,

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Speaker 3: guess your own presences presence and I already too much stuff?

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Speaker 3: So how do you dare to surbey me?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no gifts? I'm Richard Wineinger. I'm

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Speaker 2: just absolutely I've been in a mood all morning.

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Speaker 1: That's fine.

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Speaker 2: Spam call out of Huntington Beach, California. Try to get

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Speaker 2: in touch with me. Four times. I admired dedication. Maybe

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Speaker 2: if they try again, I'll pick up. You know, these

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Speaker 2: are the things that are going on in my life

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Speaker 2: and I'm just trying to keep it together. I hope

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Speaker 2: you're keeping it together. I hope your phone is on.

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Speaker 2: Do not disturb like mine. I've shown you that respect.

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Speaker 2: It's the least you can do for me. Let's get

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Speaker 2: into the podcast. It's time to talk to the guests.

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Speaker 2: I'm obviously out of control. Maybe the guests can, you know,

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Speaker 2: get us back on track. I think just an outstanding guest.

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Speaker 2: It's so Fia Cleary, so Fia, welcome to I said

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Speaker 2: no gifts.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I'm sorry to bring kind of an energy

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Speaker 2: that's simply all over the place.

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Speaker 4: I'm right there with you, honey, right there with you.

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Speaker 5: Daysed and Graze Mondays am I right.

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Speaker 2: Classic case of the Mondays. Well, that's a little revealed

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Speaker 2: to the listener. This is being recorded it on a

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Speaker 2: Monday and you're listening to it on a Thursday or

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Speaker 2: any other day of the week, because that's how podcasts work.

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Speaker 2: But if it's the first day, it's a Thursday, and

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Speaker 2: now your whole timeline is screwed up. Let's all try

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Speaker 2: to keep it together. So faya, what have you been.

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Speaker 4: Doing well this morning?

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Speaker 5: Frankly fighting with my partner, God bless us. We did, like,

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Speaker 5: we did resolve it.

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Speaker 4: But you know, it's so funny. I had like a

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Speaker 4: timer going.

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Speaker 5: It's like, so we're gonna have to wrap up here

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Speaker 5: because I do have a podcast to get to.

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Speaker 1: So can you.

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Speaker 4: Imagine in that moment, In that moment, I am like,

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Speaker 4: and it is misery to date me.

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Speaker 2: Frankly, No, But was it fine like bickering fighting?

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Speaker 1: Was it a big explosive fight.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't happen. It wasn't explosive.

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Speaker 5: It's just sort of you know, in relationships, when there's

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Speaker 5: always this that you have the thing and the thing

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Speaker 5: that comes up.

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Speaker 4: A lot recurring. We have our recurring thing and we.

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Speaker 5: Have to in about it and negotiate it and update

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Speaker 5: ourselves around it and frankly just air out resentments.

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Speaker 4: You know. It's sort of like a moment of just like,

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Speaker 4: all right, what's going on in there? Going on in there?

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Speaker 4: Because I sense it? Okay, I sense it.

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Speaker 2: I mean I kind of appreciate a recurring problem because

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Speaker 2: it does allow the problem to bubble up on occasion,

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Speaker 2: and then you get you, of course, have all these

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Speaker 2: other problems and this one kind of breaks the damn

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Speaker 2: and then you get to just bring out your list of.

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Speaker 4: Issues totally and like it is.

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm actually really proud of myself about where I'm

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Speaker 5: at in life.

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Speaker 4: I've done so much freaking therapy, Oh my god, and

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Speaker 4: like multiple other things that I'm like, it's cool that

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Speaker 4: in those.

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Speaker 5: Moments I can actually hear my partner and like what's

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Speaker 5: going on?

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: They're like, they're like, so, I'm sensing a sort of

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Speaker 5: chilliness coming from you right now, And for me, of course,

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Speaker 5: I'm like, what, it's justiness as usual. I don't understand,

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Speaker 5: you know. I'm like, Wow, it's good to hear that

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Speaker 5: the chilliness is sort of an expression of non love

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Speaker 5: and so I should work on that.

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Speaker 2: It's difficult, but at least you're acknowledging it. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, that's.

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Speaker 4: The pain of acknowledging.

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Speaker 2: With the looming pressure of this podcast and the crush

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Speaker 2: of the fight happening. How did you you now seem

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Speaker 2: to be in a wonderful mood, or at least podcast mood.

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Speaker 4: I'm in a podcast modo.

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Speaker 5: The thing is, I was definitely like, I don't know,

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Speaker 5: like we'll see about that, but I think that's sort

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Speaker 5: of the.

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Speaker 4: Gift, if you will. It's the gift and the curse,

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Speaker 4: if you will.

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Speaker 5: The depravity of the performer is that they can go

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Speaker 5: from the deep hell frankly suicidal adjacent, you know, like

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Speaker 5: really bad feeling place like.

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Speaker 4: Out on stage. Show must go on. I mean, you

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Speaker 4: know what I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, Like the.

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Speaker 5: Show must go on, and then you can kind of

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Speaker 5: harness it.

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Speaker 4: You can harness that energy to like deliver something.

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Speaker 2: Different, right, I mean, my god, I've been waiting for

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Speaker 2: what could be a devastating email all morning. Haven't gotten

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Speaker 2: it yet, but just I'm going to open that right

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Speaker 2: before we start recording, and then it's just going to

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Speaker 2: have to be a normal podcast and everything's going to

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Speaker 2: have to be incredible.

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Speaker 4: Can you say more about your devastating email?

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Speaker 1: I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about this email, just more

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Speaker 2: horrifying career news. You know, I'm just always kind of

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Speaker 2: looming in the shadows deeply.

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Speaker 1: How likely is it that.

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Speaker 2: Your mom's listening to this podcast?

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Speaker 5: That's a really good question, because I know my mother

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Speaker 5: is a Twitter lurker of mine. She's a deep Twitter lurker,

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Speaker 5: like I will get text messages out of nowhere being like,

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Speaker 5: you posted a very disturbing image and I'm worried about

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Speaker 5: if you're okay, you know, and I'm like, oh my god,

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Speaker 5: and it's like you're ruining your career with your humor.

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, but I don't think she has access

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Speaker 5: to podcasts. I don't think she understands what I mean.

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Speaker 5: She does obviously, but I don't think she knows how

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Speaker 1: God, that's a nice, nice little private area for you.

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Speaker 2: Then, yeah, I ask because I feel like a couple

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Speaker 2: of months ago you were talking about this on Instagram,

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Speaker 2: she had found you had posted like a photo that

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Speaker 2: you hadn't even taken that had some dolls in it,

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Speaker 2: and yes, this.

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Speaker 4: Is what I'm talking about. It was literally, are you

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Speaker 4: on TikTok?

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Speaker 5: No? Oh God, okay, I love TikTok TikTok is insane.

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Speaker 5: Literally MacArthur Worthy grant Worthy video art on there, frankly

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Speaker 5: made by literal twelve year olds.

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Speaker 4: It's amazing.

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Speaker 5: But sometimes there's these like you're out, your feed will

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Speaker 5: have like a live stream, like somebody's like going live,

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Speaker 5: and like there are insane people going live on TikTok.

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Speaker 5: Like there's like the dark, twisted scenes on lives on TikTok,

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Speaker 5: which of course I stumble into and it was like, yes,

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Speaker 5: this person who looked very like the character in the ring,

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Speaker 5: around these like twisted duct taped babies on like empty

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Speaker 5: coat cans, And of course I post a screenshot of that,

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Speaker 5: just like love Life Fly Lass, love you like a sis,

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Speaker 4: Whatever, just like my weird humor.

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Speaker 5: And my mom was like, I'm really worried about like

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Speaker 5: your mental state, and I think that she said something

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Speaker 5: along the lines of like I believe you to be

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Speaker 5: mentally ill, you know what I mean, and screenshots.

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Speaker 4: From a screenshot, and I'm like.

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Speaker 5: First of all, if you're actually worried about your daughter

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Speaker 5: being mentally ill, wouldn't you reach out and be like, hey,

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Speaker 5: how are you you know, like, is there anything I

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Speaker 4: Instead, it's just like I believe it to be mentally ill.

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Speaker 4: Change now change?

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Speaker 1: How did you?

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Speaker 2: Did you resolve the situation or is this an ongoing

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Speaker 2: thing with her?

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Speaker 5: I can't remember exactly how it went down. I think

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Speaker 5: I wrote something like, yeah, I don't know. If you're

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Speaker 5: ever actually concerned about my true mental wellness, feel free

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Speaker 5: to give me a call and check in anytime. Because

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Speaker 5: the thing is that's so triggering about my relationship with

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Speaker 5: them is that both of my parents they never call. Honey,

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Speaker 5: they never call. So I just get random inflammatory texts

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Speaker 5: about my Twitter in which, like what I'm putting out

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Speaker 4: A how are you? You know, she could find all of.

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Speaker 5: This out about about me if she just goes, hey,

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Speaker 5: how's it going? You know, it's a simple phone call, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: a simple phone call. And then when I said that

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Speaker 5: to her, she was sort of like, doesn't compute, like

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Speaker 5: I She literally doesn't compute, and just some defensiveness about

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Speaker 5: how like she like, you know, how I shouldn't have

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Speaker 5: I just proceeded to frankly, which my partner just told

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Speaker 4: Ice her out. I got chili. I got chili to

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Speaker 4: the bone, and I.

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Speaker 5: Did not respond to any of her texts for a while.

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Speaker 4: No response is a response, you know, of course, probably.

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Speaker 1: For like two weeks, and then nice ice out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we also don't talk very much in general,

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Speaker 5: so it was sort of like I probably ignored to

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Speaker 5: follow up texts, you know, And then I felt like

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Speaker 5: I was in a place where I could respond without

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Speaker 5: being triggered anymore.

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Speaker 4: So I just sort of let it go.

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Speaker 5: I try to just keep it light and polite with them,

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Speaker 5: you know, I don't want to get into it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it seems like kind of an unwinnable fight.

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Speaker 4: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever call them?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I am the dutiful daughter. Can you not see that?

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Speaker 1: I believe it?

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Speaker 4: I really am.

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Speaker 5: I'm so for better or for worse codependent and just

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Speaker 5: you know, it is my root trauma, like their approval,

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Speaker 5: you know, I seek their approval deeply.

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Speaker 4: I'll never get it.

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Speaker 5: And then but then I find other people in life

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Speaker 5: and the entertainment industry to seek their approval, which.

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Speaker 4: I also do not get. So at this point you

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Speaker 4: could say I'm on a healing process.

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Speaker 1: You absolutely have my approval.

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Speaker 2: Here today you get my approval, and hopefully that heals

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Speaker 4: But the neglected only children out there, this episode's for you.

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Speaker 1: You and I both came out at the same age.

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Speaker 5: It's like, well, I won't speak for you, but I definitely.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, look, there's something else I need to talk

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Speaker 1: We'll have a nice time. We'll move on. So I

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Speaker 2: a let's just say it, a gift. I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: no there's not even any dancing around. It was wrapped,

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Speaker 2: Is this a gift for me?

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Speaker 4: Yes? It is. It absolutely is.

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Speaker 1: Actually maybe the best wrapped gift I've ever seen. On

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Speaker 4: Well, I felt the need to compete.

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Speaker 5: Frankly, I was like, and not only is there one

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Speaker 4: There are two things.

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Speaker 5: So gifts plural, Okay, I wrote you gifts.

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Speaker 1: Uh well, let me describe the box to the listener.

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Speaker 2: This will obviously be, you know, on everyone's favorite app website,

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Speaker 1: But as far as I can tell, these are drawings

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Speaker 4: No, okay, so these are not drawings I did.

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Speaker 5: These are the stickers from the exhibition I'm in right

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Speaker 5: It's called Life's And there's this artist named Olivia Mole

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Speaker 5: what better? Like, you know, because the thing, the thing

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Speaker 5: to actually be about me, right, That's what gifts are.

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Speaker 4: It's like, this is.

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Speaker 5: That's the rising. There's a sun moon and rising of

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean I'll say like it's just like

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Speaker 1: There's a raccoon hanging. We have a you and a corn.

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Speaker 2: We have like a skeletor style man on all fours

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Speaker 1: There's a little bit of everything. It's beautiful.

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Speaker 5: They're wild, they're like grim and beautiful, they're they're interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, do you want me to open this here

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Speaker 4: I would love it.

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Speaker 1: You did it? You think you can make this about you?

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Speaker 2: I'm going to make it at all you've met your match,

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Speaker 2: I dare you. Okay, I'm gonna open it here, let

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Speaker 2: A listener delivered a box cutter to me through a

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Speaker 1: So now there's.

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Speaker 5: Something really malicious about that. Frankly, it's like, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, You're like, I love it. I thank you

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Speaker 2: I need to call police to just open a random

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Speaker 2: That is kind of threatening anominous, but right now it's helpful. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna cut the ribbon. Ooh it works perfectly. I'm

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Speaker 2: securing it back in my drawer. We're carefully opening the box.

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Speaker 2: Carefully opening the box.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: This is truly it truly is all about you, but

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Speaker 2: in an incredible way. Okay, there there are two different

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Speaker 2: things here. There's a T shirt, a Sofia Cleary T shirt,

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Speaker 2: and also a cassette tape of your band Penis.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, this is incredible. What gift? Which one should

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about Penis.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Penis is a band and you were in no

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's so funny.

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Speaker 5: Last night my former bandmate Samara Davis, she's amazing.

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Speaker 4: She she texts me out of nowhere, going I'm at

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Speaker 5: Never heard of them, but this is really exciting for

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Speaker 1: Wow, this is great.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, she she was like finishing her PhD.

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Speaker 5: Got in the way and but I finally years later

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Speaker 5: So so listeners, you know, you're not limited to a

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Speaker 4: Here, neither are you a bridger. I know, do you

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Speaker 2: But when were you doing this band? It was it's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was probably.

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Speaker 5: I feel like we've in like twenty fourteen and played

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Speaker 2: Well that's a decent lifetime for a band.

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00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

448
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 5: I mean it was very low pressure. We were not

449
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 5: like grinding, We were not hustling. It was just that's

450
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 5: the essence of the band for us. It was very

451
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 5: much like no pressure whenever you feel like rehearsing, like

452
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 5: and that was like the spirit of it, you know,

453
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 5: of just this kind of ease and we're not doing

454
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 5: this for anybody except ourselves.

455
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 4: And we made an album and we're really proud of it.

456
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, well what was the process of that the

457
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: band starting? Was it your idea?

458
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 5: Well, we were at this like performance festival in New

459
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 5: York sitting in this lounge there. There used to be

460
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 5: this festival for like experimental performance called American Realness, and

461
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 5: so me and Samara and our friend Neil were there.

462
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,479
Speaker 4: We were like, we should start a band.

463
00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like we had just watched the cat

464
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 5: Lean Hannah documentary for first.

465
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 4: We were so inspired.

466
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 5: We were like, oh my god, and neither of us

467
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 5: knew how to play our instruments, and we were just like,

468
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 5: let's just learn.

469
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 4: It'll be fine, you know.

470
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 5: And our friend Neil was like, yeah, your band should

471
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 5: be called Fecal Penis and we were like we were like,

472
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 5: we were like no. And then it was like, well,

473
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 5: why don't we just drop the.

474
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Speaker 1: Feacal frankly, savvy move.

475
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 5: Savvy move, and it's just it's the perfect name. I

476
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 5: feel like it's the most vulnerable word ever.

477
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: I'll just see it kind of floating. There is no

478
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: extremely sweet.

479
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so sweet.

480
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,719
Speaker 4: So that's that's sort of how it started. And then

481
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 4: we started to.

482
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: Take you how to play. You were the drummer, right.

483
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, we both learned how to play our instruments with

484
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 5: Sarah Lando, who produced our our album and she's in

485
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 5: the Julie Ruin with Kathleen Hannah.

486
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: Right, and how long did it take you to learn?

487
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 5: Well, it's took me time at all, frankly, because I

488
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 5: also I played piano for like ten years.

489
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, and that is I.

490
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 4: Believe it or not a percussion instrument, right that. Yeah.

491
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 5: But so I'm very rhythmically like connected, and I can

492
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 5: read music pretty much, so it was a pretty easy translation.

493
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 5: It was just like getting the coordination down. But also, honey,

494
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 5: I have a ba and dance, so.

495
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm very You're just ready for it.

496
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 5: I was just ready and it's so fun. Like I

497
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 5: love playing drums. I really miss it. I really really

498
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 5: miss it.

499
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: Do you own a drum set?

500
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 4: I do. It's like, look, there's like.

501
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 5: It's hidden here in the there's like yeah, anyway, you

502
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 5: can't really see.

503
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 4: But I got a symbol over here. I had them out.

504
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 5: I was auditioning for like a drummer or something, you know,

505
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 5: and I thought I would like do a little do

506
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 5: a little show off.

507
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 4: So cringe, not cringe at all.

508
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: Nothing is cringe. Let's embrace everything. Yeah, I was. This

509
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: is so odd because last night I was drumming along

510
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: to music in the car and my boyfriend pointed that

511
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: out to me, and then I kind of made the

512
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: statement I think I could easily learn to play the drums,

513
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: and then he It led to a mild argument with

514
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: him just continuing to discourage me over and ever, saying

515
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: you don't have the coordination, but ultimately he was supportive.

516
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: Let's make that clear. But I do think that it's

517
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 2: the one instrument that I could handle.

518
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, no one has that coordination from the jump.

519
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,959
Speaker 5: It really just does. It's like riding a bike. It

520
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 5: just takes practice. But once you unlock certain things. Once

521
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 5: you unlock like hitting your.

522
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 4: Foot at the same time as this thing, and.

523
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 5: You know, then you can only get better. You never

524
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 5: like go backwards.

525
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 4: From that. You know, I've been so rusty.

526
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 5: I haven't played in a long time, but I can

527
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 5: still do all of these weird things that used to

528
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 5: make me like ugh, totally cross side.

529
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 4: You know.

530
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: Well it's a little like patting your head and rubbing

531
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 2: your stomach rightly, which I can easily do at this point,

532
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: I mean after years of training, so I feel like

533
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: I could get into the drum the drum scene.

534
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite drummer.

535
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 4: Mmmm, that's a really good question.

536
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 5: I mean, Max Roach one of my favorite drummers, but

537
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 5: these are all like jazz people. And then in terms

538
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 5: of like contemporary bands, I don't know.

539
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: I don't have that in my pocket.

540
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: It's not a fair question, I think, even like asking

541
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 2: someone their favorite band is not a fair question.

542
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I know that I do have some favorite drummers,

543
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 5: Like I mean, I love the band.

544
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: Esg Oh, of course, I love you.

545
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 5: A lot of the drumming in that band I would

546
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 5: practice along to.

547
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 4: And it's very like, you know, it's very that disco

548
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 4: kind of.

549
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: Drum, just very straightforward but nice rhythm.

550
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 5: I would love to take like jazz lessons and really

551
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 5: learn the finesse of that, and like the insanity of that.

552
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 4: But I'm a little intimidated.

553
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: Well, you should have Penis reborn as a jazz band.

554
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 4: Exactly. I love the idea of like a band.

555
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 5: I mean, Ween is kind of this way, like every

556
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 5: album is just like a completely different musical genre. So

557
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 5: I do I Ween Queen and Penis on tour.

558
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: That would be a perfect combination.

559
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 4: So yeah, maybe our next album will be something very

560
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 4: very different.

561
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: I just I was a Bikini Kill on Friday night.

562
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 4: Oh my god, how was it?

563
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: Everything that's just so good.

564
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: Kathleen Hanna Is just continues to amaze, And yeah, Penis

565
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: does have a little bit in common with Bikini Kill,

566
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: I would say totally.

567
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 5: I mean very influenced by Riot Girl and Kathleen and

568
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 5: and we open for the Julie Ruin at the Roxy.

569
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 5: That was That was like one of our last big shows.

570
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 4: It was so fun it was amazing.

571
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: Were you well received?

572
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 5: We were like people were like, oh my god, what

573
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 5: which is so funny because we're so like it's very

574
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 5: just minimal. It's like a literal drum and bass player

575
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 5: and then us just screaming. You know, it's like so

576
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 5: cute and like it's not sophisticated musically at all, but God.

577
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: Bless, nobody needs sophistication. So real, I'm thrilled about the

578
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: state at sixty seven out of one hundred. I didn't

579
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: realize this was a limited edition. This is incredible to me.

580
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 4: I hand stamped all of those covers.

581
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: You're kidding, Yeah, it was.

582
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 4: It was a labor of love, for sure.

583
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: Do you have a tape player?

584
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 4: No?

585
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: Does anyone.

586
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: I feel like there was a small period when people

587
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: started buying tape players again.

588
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had a walkman for a long time because

589
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 5: I had some favorite tapes, like a Kate Bush tape.

590
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: That I loved, which Kate Bushell.

591
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 4: It was The Dreaming.

592
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: Oh fantastic.

593
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 4: But that was ten years ago.

594
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 5: And then I don't know, iPhones came like iPhones destroyed everything.

595
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: Truly ruined everything for everyone.

596
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well, let's talk about this t shirt a

597
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 2: little bit, because I'm this is incredible. It's got an

598
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: illustration of sort of you on it, dress as a

599
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: clown holding dogs, and then it says, sofi a cleary.

600
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: Oh it's for your one woman show.

601
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, so it's my merch, my market.

602
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: It's worse. You did you order these online or did

603
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: you make these?

604
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 5: So, my friend Butsher Naim, who's a local amazing drag

605
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 5: queen performer, performance artist, is also an artist visual artist

606
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 5: and made those shirts for me and we collaborated. I

607
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 5: basically like bossed him around and you know, he would

608
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 5: like send me, you know, a draft, and I'd be like, actually,

609
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 5: we're gonna need less penises in there, and we're going

610
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 5: to need another babyhead and please also get rid of

611
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 5: that thing, and you know, and then he would like

612
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 5: adjust it and it was it was really cool.

613
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 4: He did a really good job.

614
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: Did you give him the general concept and then he

615
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: just ran with it pretty much? Yeah, I adore there's

616
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: some neosporin here.

617
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 4: Yeah that that that's in the show.

618
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 5: It's all the sort of elements that I mentioned in

619
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 5: my show and this chaotic explosion from which I grow

620
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 5: out of.

621
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: It's dark.

622
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: It's your story, it's my story, Dan.

623
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 5: You know what if you know, I'm always like very

624
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 5: aware of how people are like, oh this this woman

625
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 5: seems like she's just doing her therapy on stage or

626
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 5: her healing, and.

627
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 4: That as a pejorative.

628
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 5: I'm really just like, yeah, well I'm coming for you then,

629
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 5: because I'm going to do that to the moon for you.

630
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 4: So buckle up. That's sort of my vibe.

631
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So are you selling these at the shows? What's

632
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: what are these available on your website? What's the deal

633
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: with these shirts?

634
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 5: I am selling them on my website. Not a single

635
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 5: person has bought one.

636
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: They're very stylish, I.

637
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 4: Agree, thank you.

638
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 5: And then I had them at my last show in

639
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 5: New York and people bought them there and I'm going

640
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 5: to bring them to my shows in LA.

641
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: How many shirts did you have to order to get

642
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: a full order of these things?

643
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 5: Well, I worked with this amazing screenprinting like little shop

644
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 5: in New York City that gave me like an amazing deal.

645
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 4: It's just like true artists. It wasn't like custom Inc

646
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 4: dot Com like rip off. You know.

647
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 5: I feel like I bought. I bought a very small

648
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 5: amount to start. I feel like I bought eighty or

649
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 5: one hundred okay thing, you know, but that'll probably last

650
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 5: me for a while because people aren't.

651
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 4: I don't know. Merch is so hit or miss. I

652
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 4: don't know.

653
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: If you have got to buy merch an item you

654
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: get to take home and you get to support whoever

655
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: you enjoyed.

656
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: It's a win win.

657
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 4: It helps to supplement you know, you'll get a T

658
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 4: shirt or whatever. Yeah, I think it's cute.

659
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: Are you a big T shirt wearer? What's your general style?

660
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: I am? I am. I have lots of old band

661
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 4: T shirts that I like, can't get rid of. But lately, actually,

662
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 4: it's so funny. The comedian Jess Tom do you know Jee?

663
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: Of course Jess is.

664
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 5: Just staying with me and they were like, Sofia, I

665
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 5: have to tell you something. I was like what, And

666
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 5: they're like, I will be sort of stealing your They're like,

667
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 5: I'm very influenced by you recently in your style, and

668
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 5: I will be wearing a blazer tonight. Like that's so

669
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 5: cute because it's really true. In the past year or so,

670
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 5: like post pandemic, I have come out full blown as

671
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Speaker 5: a blazer bitch.

672
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 4: Like I'm wearing blazers.

673
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Speaker 5: Okay, I'm wearing double breasted, I'm wearing full blown Armani suits,

674
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 5: Like I'm dressed to the tens.

675
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 4: Because you only have one life, you know.

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Speaker 2: It, Why just kind of a slack outfit when you

677
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: can throw on a suit. Wait, did you have any

678
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: blazers handy or was it like, I'm headed to the store.

679
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: It's time to start the collection.

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00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 4: I think I.

681
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 5: Had one, but I was also working on this show

682
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 5: last year and I was like, oh, I really want

683
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 5: like a costume for this. So I bought this three

684
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 5: piece vintage Beaumont suit and it's so amazing and it

685
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 5: like fit me perfectly and I only had to tailor

686
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 5: it a little bit.

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Speaker 4: And then once I wore that, I was like, this

688
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 4: is going to have to be a regular thing. And

689
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 4: so I found.

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Speaker 5: I went to Crossroads and found like this gorgeous Armani

691
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 5: suit for you know, like one hundred bucks or something

692
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 5: or two hundred bucks. Bought it, and then I have

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00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 5: this other blazer from a thrift store.

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Speaker 4: So I have a rotation of three at this right.

695
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Speaker 1: But that's what I need.

696
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the beginning.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking recently about I'm just I truly wants

698
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Speaker 2: to throw away all of my clothing and I would

699
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: love to just have three suits hanging in the closet

700
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: I get to wear every day.

701
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 4: I know, like Elizabeth Holmes.

702
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: Yes, I'll start sleeping on the floor of my office.

703
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, where is Elizabeth Holmes?

704
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 4: Now?

705
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: She is the court date over?

706
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 4: She yes, and she's awaiting her sentencing.

707
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Speaker 1: How much longer do we have to wait?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but I.

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Speaker 5: Remember I finished the dropout and I was like, oh, yeah,

710
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 5: what's going.

711
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 4: On with her?

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00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 5: And I saw that she was awaiting her sentencing, So

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Speaker 5: I don't know soon.

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Speaker 4: That's horrifying.

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Speaker 1: This is why the dropout was too early.

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Speaker 2: I think we should wait for a TV series shouldn't

717
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: be allowed to be made until the person we know

718
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: where their headed prison was.

719
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Speaker 4: Otherwise it's too much for you.

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Speaker 1: It's way too much.

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00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, how dare you suspend me in this space?

722
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: I need the series to end with the text over

723
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 2: black that says, Elizabeth Holmes is now serving a fifty

724
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Speaker 2: year sentence in a Mexican maximum security prisoner.

725
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: What have you? Just that little bit of closure? Or

726
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: she was?

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00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: You know, she's now loose, She's That would be an

728
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: incredible end to that. Elizabeth Holmes is loose.

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Speaker 4: Watch out, lock up, lock up your blood? Do you

730
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 4: know where your blood is? Elizabeth Holmes is loose.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got to wait for these prison sentences to

732
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 2: be handed down before we make a whole premium document

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Speaker 2: or mini series.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, how did we? Oh?

735
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I wanted to hang suits in my closet.

736
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: Bit a friend recently recommended. She said, why don't you

737
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: get a stylist? And I thought, who do you? Who

738
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 2: could you possibly think?

739
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: I am? I wouldn't even know, Like look that up

740
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: in the Yellow Pages. How do you even find a stylist?

741
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 4: I could find one for you if you want that.

742
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: How much just a stylist cost? That's got to be

743
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: hundreds of dollars?

744
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 4: No IDEA great question.

745
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: Thousands of dollars at least like that.

746
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 5: It's a full time job, right, I mean when I

747
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 5: watch Erica Jane on Real Housewives in Beverly Hill, of

748
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 5: course her creative director literally like he's got to be.

749
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 4: Making a killing.

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00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: Oh he like lives with.

751
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 4: Her for all intents and purposes.

752
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: You know, he's probably stealing money from her.

753
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 4: I hope he is.

754
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: I feel like, you don't become a stylist of a

755
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: housewife unless you are embezzling some amount of money.

756
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 5: That's the thing that's the actual pyramid is that somebody's

757
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 5: embuzzling at the top, and then the people below them

758
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 5: are embuzzling, and then they're embuzzling. It's like it's that

759
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 5: you have to just keep him buzzling.

760
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a parasite pyramid exact sense to me. Yeah,

761
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: I've got a I don't know, this is interesting to

762
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 2: hear from you. With this new suit direction, I feel

763
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: like I've just got to pick some direction to hit

764
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: in because I'm so tired of the way I dress.

765
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: I go in my closet and just stare at the

766
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: clothes until I crumble it. Then I just grab something.

767
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I've been living with these things for two years, essentially

769
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: because I haven't really bought anything new.

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Speaker 4: That's why I think investing.

771
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 5: I know, this is like such an annoying statement, but

772
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 5: like investing in kind of classic pieces or something that

773
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 5: feel a little less.

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00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 4: I don't know.

775
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 5: I feel like after two years, you're like, well, this

776
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 5: is still a good piece.

777
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 4: So hold on to it, you know. And I feel

778
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 4: like lasers and suits fulfill that. But I'm not sure.

779
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 5: I mean, I've literally owned some of the same underwear

780
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 5: for like ten years, so you know, I might not.

781
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: Be the right person to talk to.

782
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 5: I'm wearing like a sports spra from like junior year

783
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 5: of high school.

784
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 4: Accidentally, I'm like, how long have I had this?

785
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: Well?

786
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: I think this topic comes up every so often on

787
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: this podcast, and I'm sure the listener's furious that I

788
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: continue to talk about changing my style or buying some

789
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: new clothes at them, waiting months and doing nothing.

790
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: So maybe this is the turn.

791
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: But now I see and I have a new T

792
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: shirt that I really like, which just basically falls into

793
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: my basic pattern of clothing. So this will sustain me

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00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: for a few more months.

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Speaker 4: I'm so glad. I didn't know if I there's.

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00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 5: A white option white and black, which I'm so sort

797
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 5: of like, that's just a little I'm sorry, but cowardly

798
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 5: people who buy that one. And then there's a pink

799
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 5: one with like maroon, and then there's a.

800
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Speaker 4: Yellow one with blue. But the yellow one is my favorite.

801
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: This one's yellow and blue.

802
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: And I just recently, in the last few months, found

803
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: out I can wear yellow. I had thought for years

804
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: I couldn't wear yellow.

805
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 4: Tell you that.

806
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: Somebody encouraged me to try yellow, and I thought, oh,

807
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: I don't look too terrible in this, So now I've

808
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: got I think this is my second yellow piece of

809
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: clothing in probably twenty years.

810
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 4: That's amazing.

811
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Speaker 2: We're opening the yellow drawer. I'm so on embracing it.

812
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: I'm so I'm thrilled you saw right into my life

813
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: and sent me exactly what I needed.

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00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 5: The next thing will be a blazer. I'll have blazers

815
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 5: as merch.

816
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: I can you imagine one hundred dollars? I mean it

817
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: would probably have to be like a five hundred dollar

818
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: piece of merch, truly. But the novelty of going to

819
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: a comedy show that costs like the ticket was twenty

820
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: dollars and then you walk out the door with a

821
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars suit. That is that's living. That's life.

822
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: I think we should play a game. Okay, do you

823
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: want to play a game called Gift or a Curse

824
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: or a game called Gift Master Gift or a Curse? Okay,

825
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 2: I need a number between one and ten nine. Okay,

826
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: I have to do some light calculating. So while I

827
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: do this, you can promote something, recommend something, do truly

828
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back.

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00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 5: Okay, listeners, it's Safaia Cleary here taking over for Bridger

831
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 5: for a few moments moments.

832
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 4: What I would like to do is promote my shows

833
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 4: coming up. Thank you very much. I will be doing

834
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 4: my show. It gets Worse on June tenth, fourteenth, seventeenth,

835
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 4: and twenty third in Los Angeles at seven thirty pm

836
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 4: at Skiptown Playhouse, very small, intimate, little theater, some might

837
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: say too intimate. So get your.

838
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 5: Tickets because I feel like I pray to God it'll

839
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 5: sell out. And then I'm performing in New York City

840
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 5: during Pride weekend June twenty sixth at the famed, the

841
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 5: beloved Joe's Pub. So if you're a New York based

842
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 5: please come out. I love that theater. It's so amazing.

843
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 5: You can eat like a gorgeous calamari while I'm talking

844
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 5: about my triggering teenage years, So please come.

845
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 4: Thank you.

846
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: That's perfect everyone.

847
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: I absolutely demand you go see Sofia if you're in

848
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: one of these cities, or buy the plane tickets, take

849
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 2: a little trip to sunny Los Angeles, take a trip

850
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: to New York. You've been meaning to do it, you

851
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: haven't traveled in two years. This is the perfect excuse,

852
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: I mean, just the excuse of a lifetime. Okay, this

853
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: is what needs to happen so far. This is gift

854
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: or a curse. I'm gonna name three things you're gonna

855
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: tell me if there are a gift or a curse?

856
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: And why? And then I'm going to tell you if

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00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: you're right or wrong.

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00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 4: Oh god, I love this.

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00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So number one and these are all you know,

860
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: this has really become kind of the norm on this

861
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: because the listener is doing their job. These are all

862
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: listeners suggestions. So number one gift he a curse from

863
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 2: someone named Alicia. Gif you a curse when you call

864
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: an automated line and are clearly talking to a robot,

865
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 2: but between pauses the audio inserts the sound of someone

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00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: typing on a computer.

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Speaker 1: Gift or a curse. I really appreciate that.

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00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 5: Okay, so my first impulse is curse, but actually I

870
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 5: feel like it's a gift because in that as an artist, okay,

871
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 5: wake up, because I'm in our it's those details, noticing

872
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 5: those details in something so mundane that are like frankly inspiring,

873
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 5: because you think, Okay, the person who made this recording,

874
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 5: even though we know.

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00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 4: What this is, which is that it's a recording, they're

876
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 4: throwing in a dash of humanity.

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00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 5: They're throwing in a dash of humanity so that so

878
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 5: that you might for a second not feel completely alone.

879
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 5: You know, and there's that kind of holy space of

880
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 5: liveness right that there's this other person on the other

881
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 5: side of the phone for a second, you're afforded that

882
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 5: in your life.

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00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 4: That is deeply isolating and sad. So I have no idea.

884
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 4: I know I'm wrong, but I don't care.

885
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, I am.

886
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: I love the little artificial tipping tap and clicking clacking

887
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: that fully unnecessary.

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00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: First of all, it's job creation.

889
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: Somebody had to record the clicking clacking to go onto

890
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: the audio with a robot voice. I think you know

891
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: it's obnoxious to the point of funny. It's just I

892
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: love the absolutely, deeply unnecessary element of clicking clacking. You're

893
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 2: with a real person, you're probably not gonna hear them

894
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: typing unless they're not a typewriter.

895
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 4: And that's why it's poetic. In my opinion.

896
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: You kind of get to picture just a little AI

897
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: creation typing on a typewriter or something, and what could

898
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: be more fun than that?

899
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 4: Exactly.

900
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 5: It's like it's like when you those automated chats with

901
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 5: like Geico or whatever, it'll be like your customer service

902
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 5: rep is typing, you know, and it's like, I know

903
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 5: you're a bot. You are a literal robot because that

904
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 5: very questions I keep asking you, you send me to

905
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 5: like weird troubleshooting links instead of telling me what the

906
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 5: hell is going on.

907
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: There's not a trace of humanity outside of the phony

908
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: little bubble that indicates their typing. I love it, I

909
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: appreciate it, and I support it. Gift gift, Okay, so

910
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: you've gotten one, so far, good for you. Next is

911
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 2: from a listener named Connor. Gift or a curse Shrinking

912
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: the tags on an Instagram story so small that you

913
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: cannot click on them to view the profiles.

914
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: Gift or a curse.

915
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 5: Shrinking the tag Oh, I see like on stories and you'll.

916
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: Put the person's name so small that it almost requires

917
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: a tweezer.

918
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 5: I mean, I can see why people think it's a

919
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 5: gift because it sustains the sort of imagistic it doesn't

920
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 5: interrupt the image. But for me, I feel like I'm

921
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 5: never in the image. I feel like I'm always the

922
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 5: one trying to click. Okay, so always a bridesmaid, never

923
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 5: a bride Okay, So I'm the one trying to click.

924
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 5: I'm the one intriguing about people. I'm the one who's

925
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 5: this person, Are they my next long life lover? And

926
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 5: if I can't click that link, I'm pissed the hell off, frankly.

927
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 5: And then you know, you're like you're holding down. You're

928
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 5: thinking maybe the force of your thumb will finally reveal

929
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 5: the tie, but no, Well, and then you have to

930
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 5: go to your search bar. You have to sort of

931
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 5: remember what was written there, you have to put it

932
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 5: in the search bar. And then at this point you're humiliated. Okay,

933
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 5: so curse.

934
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 4: Wrong, get wrong, I'm wrong.

935
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that.

936
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: I feel like whoever's shrinking the thing down so small

937
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: is they don't want anyone to access that tag. They

938
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: don't want you to see this person. The just kind

939
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: of egocentric element of it, the narcissist part, is so wonderful. Also,

940
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: it's stopping me from going down yet another branch on Instagram.

941
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: It's kind of saying you've had enough, you've had enough,

942
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: pig stop eating, move away from this trough.

943
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: And I love it. I love how small? How just

944
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: don't do it? Don't tag?

945
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 4: I love I love that.

946
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 5: I feel like I will get to that with more therapy,

947
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 5: you know, because it really is about the diversion from

948
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 5: the trough and which is the gift?

949
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: Right, it's kind of shutting down the road and saying

950
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 2: you can't this way.

951
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 4: That really resonates.

952
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: Okay, so you've gotten one out of two, not bed. Finally,

953
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: this is a very special listener suggestion. This person wrote

954
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 2: in They're twelve years old, and I was so thrilled

955
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 2: to hear that we have a twelve year old listener

956
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: named Ellen. Ellen has suggested gift or a curse class

957
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: pets gift Why.

958
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 5: Although this does bring up a triggering memory for me

959
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 5: of like almost losing the hamster from my fourth grade

960
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 5: It ran away and somehow I caught it, which is

961
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 5: insane that I caught the hamster. But hold on, let

962
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 5: me think about this. My first thought is gift, because

963
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 5: how cute.

964
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 4: I love animals. I'm a Sagittarius rising. I love being

965
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 4: around animals, and I think it's really cute.

966
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 5: But I do find the sort of cagedness environment of

967
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 5: the classroom kind of depressing.

968
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna go ahead with my gut and say

969
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 4: it's a gift.

970
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 5: It's for the kids. It's for the kids. It's good

971
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 5: they get to learn about care taking. I have no

972
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 5: idea I'm strong.

973
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: I never even got the chance of the class pet.

974
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 2: This for me is a deeply personal I don't remember

975
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: a single class pet. The chance to take the hamster home,

976
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: the chance to feed the turtle, the bird throwing seed

977
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 2: all over the third grade classroom just never even entered

978
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 2: my radar.

979
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm so sorry.

980
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: So the fact that some children are getting a chance

981
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: to kill an animal by accident or to you know,

982
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: hold the hamster while the teacher reads.

983
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: I don't even know how it works. What happens? Do

984
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: you take it home? You take turns with it?

985
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, you take turns.

986
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: That seems really dangerous.

987
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 5: I know, well I almost lost mine, murdered it accidentally,

988
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 5: and it was crazy that I caught it because I couldn't.

989
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 4: Imagine the shame going back to the class.

990
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: I killed our.

991
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 4: Mascot, lost him, he ran away.

992
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: How did he get away?

993
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 5: I was like taking him out of the cage in

994
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 5: my front yard, and I was like, you know, like

995
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 5: fun nature jumps out of my arms.

996
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: How long do you take the pet home? Force it

997
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: a week?

998
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: No?

999
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 4: I think I don't remember. It can be more than

1000
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 4: two nights.

1001
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: What a life for the pet just never gets to

1002
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: settle down has no it can't count on anything. It's

1003
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: meeting new people constantly, curse, cursed, well too late. So

1004
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 2: if I you've got one out of three, it's okay.

1005
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: Bomb the game.

1006
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 5: You know, I'm as as I'm learning, Just like with

1007
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 5: the May Fight right before this podcast, I am happy

1008
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 5: to learn that I am wrong.

1009
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: Ellen.

1010
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 2: I hope we haven't spoiled your class pet experience for you,

1011
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: but you know you need it. We've got to just

1012
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: open our eyes and take a look at reality. Class

1013
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: pets should not exist because I didn't get one. And

1014
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: if I don't get it, nobody gets it. Okay, this

1015
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 2: is the final segment of the podcast. This is called

1016
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 2: I Said No emails people right into I Said no

1017
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 2: gifts at gmail dot com with I don't know, just

1018
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 2: a variety of problems and concerns that they expect me

1019
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: to solve.

1020
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: I drag the guests in.

1021
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: It kind of leaves the you know, the podcast always

1022
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: ends on a real sour note because everyone's had to

1023
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: do work.

1024
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: Will you answer a question with me?

1025
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

1026
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. Let me read this. This say

1027
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: is deer bridger and belligerent guests, so they've kind of

1028
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: singled you out. My husband and I have found ourselves

1029
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: in a predicament of the familial kind. We live in

1030
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: a small apartment and are not minimalists by any means,

1031
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: but do our best to keep a tidy space and

1032
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 2: not clutter up our nine hundred precious square feet.

1033
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I've got issues already.

1034
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: But however, my mom is what you might call an

1035
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: extravagant giver, not in that she gives huge, expensive gifts,

1036
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 2: but that she gives us many, many gifts for special

1037
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: occasions and for not special occasions. In the last month,

1038
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: she has traveled twice and brought my husband and I

1039
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 2: both five gifts each from both places that she went.

1040
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 2: It usually consists of something nice like a necklace or something,

1041
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: and then a weird musical instrument that we do not

1042
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 2: know how to play, et cetera. We have also received

1043
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: a painting of a medieval king and queen with our

1044
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: faces painted on them, and other strange, cluttery gifts that

1045
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 2: we mostly keep in the eight closet. So okay, we're

1046
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: hearing about multiple closets. My question for you is this,

1047
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: how do I tell my sweet mother that I appreciate

1048
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: her generosity, but I want her to stop giving me clutter, Sincerely, Mick.

1049
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: Okay, Mick.

1050
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: First of all, let's Sofia nine. Let's just point it out.

1051
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: Nine hundred square foot apartment. We're talking, we're saying.

1052
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: That's small anyway, talking mansion, that's a gorgeous apartment. Mick.

1053
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: You're writing with an an immediate brag. I mean, this

1054
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: is a perfect for two people. If you had nine kids.

1055
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: Sure, that's a small amount of space, and one hundred

1056
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 2: square feet is a very nice little amount of space.

1057
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 2: You've got a you have a closet just for clutter, Mick.

1058
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: I want you to think about walk in closets. This

1059
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: is you've written in with you know, you've put me

1060
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: in a bad space. But we've got to talk about

1061
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: your mom and the fact that she's apparently kind of

1062
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: kind of trying to drag or drive you out of

1063
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: the apartment with just an avalanche of souvenirs and instruments.

1064
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 2: What do we do with this mother? I think, first

1065
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 2: of all, I think that she's she's got something for

1066
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: the husband, She's got some feelings for this husband. She's

1067
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: trying to drive drive her daughter out of her mind,

1068
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: maybe split them up. There's something in that area that

1069
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: I'm thinking could be maybe it's not so sweet after all.

1070
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 2: But how do you tell mommy, I've had enough? The

1071
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: necklace was enough. I don't need an instrument? Why and

1072
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: why are there multiple instruments? Does she want them to

1073
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: start a band?

1074
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 5: Well, I would have to say that the mother has

1075
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 5: a compulsive debting slash shopping addiction, that she should seek

1076
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 5: a twelve Steps fellowship for.

1077
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 4: Speaking from experience.

1078
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 5: But I do feel like there's something compulsive going on.

1079
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 5: Maybe she's running from something. She's trying to fill the

1080
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 5: god sized hole. Maybe that is sort of keeping her

1081
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 5: from her family, right, So she's trying to fill that

1082
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 5: with gifts so that she can traverse the chasm of estrangement, right,

1083
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 5: which I totally relate to. But the last sentence in

1084
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 5: all earnest, the last sentence of that letter, how do

1085
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 5: I tell my mom so and so and so? It's

1086
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 5: right there, It's written, right there, I appreciate your gifts,

1087
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 5: but no more.

1088
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 4: Please. That's literally the boundary, a.

1089
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 2: Nice clean cut. There's no emotion. It's just a fact.

1090
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: It's leading with love. It's just a fact, and you

1091
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 2: just say it.

1092
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,479
Speaker 5: Who knows if she'll rey and that's a whole other

1093
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 5: question that you might have to call back in about.

1094
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 5: But you have to at least just try to state

1095
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 5: that you don't need to manipulate her.

1096
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 4: You just have to tell her.

1097
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: I think that's perfectly fair.

1098
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: I mean, this woman is going on vacation and buying

1099
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 2: at least ten gifts of time. How much of a

1100
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: vacation time is being spent shopping for her daughter and

1101
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: son in law. I mean, that's not a vacation, that's

1102
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: a show. She's going on elaborate shopping trips.

1103
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 4: In a way, I'm jealous.

1104
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,439
Speaker 1: I'm jealous, jealous of the daughter or the mother.

1105
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 4: I'm jealous of that motherly care.

1106
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: Your mom goes on a trip and sends you ten texts.

1107
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 4: Going mentally yeah yeah.

1108
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 2: So it seems to me like Mick. Not only does

1109
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: Mick have a beautifully sized apartment, she's got a mother

1110
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: who cares too much. Yeah, she's got basically she could

1111
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Speaker 2: start a boutique. She's got just loads of goods coming

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Speaker 2: in every vacation. She can have a yard sale once

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Speaker 2: every weekend, and you know, pay for this apartment.

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Speaker 1: I see no problem.

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Speaker 4: I think that's great.

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Speaker 5: I think if and if the mother doesn't respect the

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00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 5: boundary area. If you don't feel comfortable even stating that

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Speaker 5: for whatever reason.

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Speaker 4: Start the boutique. Take up, wake up. People are trying

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Speaker 4: to figure out how to make a living in this

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Speaker 4: goddamn time, and you have a boutique's worth.

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00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 2: This is your small business coming into place.

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Speaker 4: This is your small business. Mick, Mick, are you listening.

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Speaker 2: Invite mom to the to the yard sale, to the boutique.

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Speaker 2: That'll give her a clear idea of what's going on.

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Speaker 4: That's hilarious.

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Speaker 5: So Mom, come to the grand opening of my small business.

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Speaker 5: It's just every single it's literally photos of them frames.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Mick, your answer is here.

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Speaker 2: You've received and hopefully you can kind of internalize that

1131
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: and improve your life, because if you can't, then you're

1132
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: a lost cause and your mother's a lost cause. And meanwhile,

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00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 2: your husband is caught up in kind of this explosion

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Speaker 2: of vacation gifts and it's not fair to anybody. So

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Speaker 2: do what you need to do. Thank you for writing

1136
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Speaker 2: in so Faio. We answered the question perfectly. I think

1137
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: so got an excellent track record on this podcast for

1138
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 2: answering questions. Lives have been improved and yeah, and now

1139
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: I have this incredible t shirt. I have a new

1140
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 2: cassette tape. I can access the cassette on Spotify or

1141
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 2: Apple Music. Yes, and my life has been enriched. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad I had such a fantastic time with

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Speaker 2: you here today.

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Speaker 5: Oh, thank you so much. I am feeling self conscious

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00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 5: that I took up too much space.

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Speaker 4: But that's what.

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00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: What took up too much space with what?

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00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 5: That's always how I get. I'm like, I have a

1149
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 5: really good time, and then the shame starts.

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00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: There's no shame at all here.

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00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 4: Okay, good, I'm glad you like your gift.

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Speaker 1: You should.

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00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't. I cannot tell you how

1154
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: little shame you should be feeling.

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00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 4: Oh, I love that you're your I'll be your stylist

1156
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,479
Speaker 4: if you be my emotional coach. Seems fair.

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00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 2: That feels like those are two high paying jobs that

1158
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: are both probably on housewives somewhere exactly. Oh well, thank

1159
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 2: you a million times. Thank you, And listener, we've come

1160
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Speaker 2: to the end of the podcast, and hopefully you've had

1161
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: a nice time. Hopefully you've you know, something has been

1162
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: added to your life and there's been no stress. Hopefully

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00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: the stress is yet to come for you today and

1164
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 2: that this podcast has not been part of it. So

1165
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: I hope you go on and deal with whatever you

1166
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: need to deal with, and we'll revisit this podcast next

1167
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 2: week with some other guests. Thank you for being here,

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00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: thank you for squeezing me into your schedule. I love you, goodbye.

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Speaker 2: I said, no Gifts is an exactly right production. It's

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Speaker 2: produced by our dear friend Analise Nelson, and it's beautifully

1171
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 2: mixed by John Bradley. The theme song, of course, could

1172
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 2: only come from miracle worker Amy Mann. You must follow

1173
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 2: the show on Instagram at I said no gifts. I

1174
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you get

1175
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 2: to see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting.

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00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 2: And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts?

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Speaker 4: Well, I invit, did you hear?

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Speaker 3: Though? A man? Myself? Perfectly clear?

1179
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Speaker 4: But you're a guest to me.

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00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 3: You gotta come to me empty, And I said, no guests.

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00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: Your presences presents enough and I'm already too much stuff.

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00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 3: So how do you dad to survey it? The Gray

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Speaker 3: The game with the c