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Speaker 1: the Star. Now your hosts, Darry Church, Danny mccraig, heck
Speaker 1: Ma Harrison and knew He Scruggs play sound free Agency season.
Speaker 1: Let's run, Let's get it home. Danny mccraig is here,
Speaker 1: heck My Harrison is here, Barry Churchy yeah scrugsd alrighty
Speaker 1: A lot to get into. Let's start with Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: going to the combat. He's not gonna asks how we're doing.
Speaker 1: I'm my boy. Let me get our takeson. Garrett out
Speaker 1: of how we doing? Guy, I ain't saying the guy
Speaker 1: he only win this one. And though before we started
Speaker 1: the show, he was already hating, so I already know
Speaker 1: what time. I already know the Spish player hat his ball.
Speaker 1: We were just conversating. But because it happened to be
Speaker 1: his city, sound hate but just bro I said. He
Speaker 1: was said it's the greatest city in Texas. Okay, and
Speaker 1: if you don't believe that, that's fine. He said he
Speaker 1: was trash who I'm He didn't say, we were talking
Speaker 1: about traffic, that's what we were talking about. Just to
Speaker 1: get ad context. No, No, the context says Okay, I
Speaker 1: said what he said. You know what, I probably went
Speaker 1: the wrong way. You know, I didn't know you know
Speaker 1: enough about what I said. Has he changed his opinion
Speaker 1: yet as I continue talking, No, you haven't convinced him.
Speaker 1: That's what you're trying to do. You have failed to
Speaker 1: convince him of that. But I mean, I gat good food,
Speaker 1: good stuff to do. He hyped up the rodeo, hyping
Speaker 1: up all. He's still saying trash. Okay, I've never had
Speaker 1: a bad timing, he bro I've never had a bad time.
Speaker 1: If I could afford to roll like that, then it's
Speaker 1: a whole nother deal. When you bc right about that,
Speaker 1: it's rare. The last time I was in Houston, I
Speaker 1: think I stayed at the Fairfield in because that was
Speaker 1: all that was. It was out there, spring or whatever.
Speaker 1: Because because a super Bowl in Houston, I just say,
Speaker 1: man out in the wooland he's out of door. Are
Speaker 1: you happy to try to get try to get yourself
Speaker 1: a hotel in the super Bowl? You know, in less
Speaker 1: than two and a half weeks before. That's where you're
Speaker 1: gonna be any in any city gonna be wed So,
Speaker 1: so your argument is based off super Bowl traffic. No no,
Speaker 1: wait we didn't. I didn't go to sup but we
Speaker 1: would stayed at the Fairfield in we were in the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. No so, so we were there Saturday night.
Speaker 1: You know that was that That traffic, wasn't I mean
Speaker 1: first time that was. That's a whole different a city.
Speaker 1: The way a city gets shut down during the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: It's a total different deal in Houstons. I mean no,
Speaker 1: first off, you go to any super Bowl city prepared
Speaker 1: for traffic to just be totally shut down. Um, but
Speaker 1: that wasn't the big deal there, No, no, no, I
Speaker 1: was that was fine. Just playing with you man. Bottom line,
Speaker 1: can we not go back to get back to look
Speaker 1: at the night Eminem? Tell them once a week, you know,
Speaker 1: makeing a little sense. You know, see how you doing?
Speaker 1: Check in? You know what saying people, Hey us, how
Speaker 1: we're doing guys? Yeah, hey, I'm doing good. It's good man.
Speaker 1: How we doing today? You should you should be a
Speaker 1: beautiful day. Well we're talking about you know, played by
Speaker 1: play trying to see he was on some basketball this
Speaker 1: week because it's all these conference tournaments coming on, and
Speaker 1: we got a bunch of them here, so we got
Speaker 1: the conference. He was a tournament's gonna be right here
Speaker 1: at the Star where we're doing a broadcast right here.
Speaker 1: So they do the men's and women's tournaments right over there, man.
Speaker 1: So that's very unique concept that they have. And then
Speaker 1: the American Athletic Conference is doing theirs over Dickies and
Speaker 1: for or on the tournament out there, So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it fat living here in the town where
Speaker 1: we got a lot of bass. I'm big college basketball,
Speaker 1: gat haven't. Haven't spent a lot of time grow up
Speaker 1: on number one, just because yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: You know what you have. H is coming to the
Speaker 1: Big twelve. Just you know who the head coach is.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know who the coach to Sampson Sampson,
Speaker 1: Kelvin Sampson. Yeah, Way graduated from. I want to talk
Speaker 1: to Way graduate from. I don't know. Please enlighten us
Speaker 1: everybody that I don't want to winning the reality shows.
Speaker 1: You put that clue together quick one. I bet you
Speaker 1: ain't listening to the lights over there game. Actually, his
Speaker 1: wife is now man with the trust. I didn't talk
Speaker 1: to her because she was on the board when they
Speaker 1: their lights back to Mike mccarth got back to So
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy goes to the combine. You want to know
Speaker 1: the truth, man, tell you the truth. The people are
Speaker 1: mad about what they heard. The man sat there and
Speaker 1: told you, Hey, I like Kellen Moore. I used to
Speaker 1: be Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore, want to run up points,
Speaker 1: want a number one offense. I used to be that.
Speaker 1: But I want a Super Bowl. I want to run
Speaker 1: the ball. I want to protect my defense. Man, head coach,
Speaker 1: I see it differently. What he's saying there is what
Speaker 1: I've had other coaches talk to me about, especially in
Speaker 1: the college level, about dealing with dudes who are gurus
Speaker 1: who want to run up and show off they plays,
Speaker 1: and I feeling like, man, this dude was scoring the
Speaker 1: under the bus. This is what's happening. That's me. Then
Speaker 1: you go ahead, Church a go ahead, because I want
Speaker 1: to know. I feel like this is deflecting from the
Speaker 1: real problem. But I'm not going to talk about the room. Head.
Speaker 1: Give it all out there, baby, give it. Wasn't this
Speaker 1: team a top ten rushing team overall. Yes, they were
Speaker 1: a top ten rushing rooms. Isn't the goal in the
Speaker 1: NFL to score as many points as you can? No,
Speaker 1: that's not the goal scoring more points than the other team. Okay,
Speaker 1: So and they were one of the top teams that
Speaker 1: scoring points. Is that correct? True? So what's the problem.
Speaker 1: There's what is the what's the problem? Now? You watch
Speaker 1: the games like we watched the games, okay, and those
Speaker 1: games where you put up forty on Minnesota, they can
Speaker 1: they can change the average a lot those games when
Speaker 1: you put up fifty on it, like they changed it.
Speaker 1: But when he came to the times when you really
Speaker 1: needed to put us some points against some really good
Speaker 1: defenses over the last few years, whose fault is that?
Speaker 1: McCartney just said, Hey man, is that killer Moore? That's
Speaker 1: what this is. This is just blazing to me. My
Speaker 1: quarterback I hit throwing interceptions. We don't have the receiver,
Speaker 1: the receiving quarter that we thought we had. So how
Speaker 1: can you then adapt to make sure that Okay, since
Speaker 1: we can't do that, our quarterback ain't protecting the ball,
Speaker 1: Let's lean on our defense and make sure that we
Speaker 1: in every driveway to kick. How can we do that killer.
Speaker 1: He didn't do that. He didn't do it. He didn't
Speaker 1: do it. I can see if we weren't even in
Speaker 1: attempts you, I can see we weren't even attempting to run.
Speaker 1: The statistics get in the way. Go back to two
Speaker 1: years ago when they were scoring forty against the NFC East,
Speaker 1: it was struggling againstbody else. And then when they had
Speaker 1: to play the winning team, like talking about the Kansas
Speaker 1: City game. When I went up there today played Kansas
Speaker 1: City defense did enough for you defensive way offense could score.
Speaker 1: But then you gonna go ahead and play the Giants
Speaker 1: and roll forty on them and fifty on them. There
Speaker 1: was an imbalance about Arizon. The problem is that we
Speaker 1: acting like these plays that are being drawn up just
Speaker 1: ain't working. Because for some reason we understand why they're working.
Speaker 1: But if it's not working, if it's if it's consistently.
Speaker 1: As you're going into the season, you said, man, we're
Speaker 1: in week seven and this ain't working. All right? We
Speaker 1: leading the league in pixus to do it and came back.
Speaker 1: We cannot protect the ball. What do we need to
Speaker 1: do to make sure we get this on track? You
Speaker 1: played for defense corners and say, you know what, Brod,
Speaker 1: We're going back to the basics. We're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: slim down the playbook because what we're doing right now
Speaker 1: ain't working. And we never saw that happen with Keller
Speaker 1: Moore calling the place we know saying, man, that got seventeen.
Speaker 1: He said, man, he gonna take care of the ball
Speaker 1: this time. We give him another opportunity to go out
Speaker 1: there though, three pieces in the game. So if you so,
Speaker 1: what else can you do as an offer? If you're
Speaker 1: a top ten in attempts and rushing the football as
Speaker 1: well as you're putting up pots, what else can you do?
Speaker 1: You're attempting to run the football? Is that? I mean,
Speaker 1: you're you're attempting to run the foot You're not running
Speaker 1: it enough? Y No, no, no. The thing that I
Speaker 1: think that you what you what's your point now? Churchill
Speaker 1: is right because you're taking the sample size based off
Speaker 1: of the statistics, and where you're going is we're handing
Speaker 1: this offense over to Dak and he's turning the ball
Speaker 1: over all right, this throw pretty much after missing five
Speaker 1: games through more interceptions than any quarterback UH with in
Speaker 1: last season. My thing was when I listened to Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: What I think he was just basically pointing out is
Speaker 1: that as a head coach, his responsibility is totality taking
Speaker 1: care of the team, you know, playing complimentary football, so
Speaker 1: to speak. All right, but I'll give you I would
Speaker 1: sum it up like this. When you look at let's
Speaker 1: say the dan Quinn Super Bowl, they had satistically, mathematically, analytically,
Speaker 1: there's no way you lose that Super Bowl. If Shanahan
Speaker 1: does well, run the ball, all right, that's that's going
Speaker 1: to win you a super Bowl. As damn near impossible
Speaker 1: mathematically to do that. Now you look at Shanahan as
Speaker 1: a head coach of San Francisco, he don't call plays
Speaker 1: like that because he's a head coach and he's also
Speaker 1: thinking about his defense. Just one more think about the
Speaker 1: Seattle Super Bowl, Seattle versus New England. Now that's Atlanta.
Speaker 1: That's one less Super Bowl ring for Brady and Belichick.
Speaker 1: Then you go to the Seattle New England. You're on
Speaker 1: the one yard line and your OC calls a what
Speaker 1: on the one yard line? And so I think what
Speaker 1: michaelmccarthy is basically saying is being reckless at certain points
Speaker 1: in time in the season. They just left the defense
Speaker 1: out to drive. We have one of the best defenses,
Speaker 1: but you just don't call plays the way that Kelly
Speaker 1: Moore did. And I'm sure if Dan Quinn probably echoed
Speaker 1: that what he said, like if you call that dumb
Speaker 1: one more time, and that was through the sea and
Speaker 1: you're looking at it from the numbers, but just based
Speaker 1: off of the eyeball test, there were certain players that
Speaker 1: they called that you just it was had scratches through
Speaker 1: the seas. Let me build on what you said about Shannonhead.
Speaker 1: Go back to when he was in the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: as a head coach, had a ten point lead against
Speaker 1: Kansas City and he gonna have Jimmy Garoppolo throwing the ball.
Speaker 1: Garoppolo missed pass, kans City get the ball right back.
Speaker 1: They go next thing, you know, Patrick, but the being
Speaker 1: and they go win the game. And even the Kansas
Speaker 1: City defenders are like, yeah, man, glad they started running
Speaker 1: that thing here running this so much of it is
Speaker 1: what these it is situational. So yeah, you could tell me, man,
Speaker 1: we were top ten, But where were you in the county?
Speaker 1: And I think, and I go back to when you
Speaker 1: got I think you were on a team with with
Speaker 1: with Romo and DeMarco Murray. Romo's best year was DeMarco
Speaker 1: was an NFL offensive MVP because they ran the ball
Speaker 1: the more Dack and Romo through When you check their
Speaker 1: record when they throw over forty passes, it's a losing record,
Speaker 1: even when even when Troy was here. There is something
Speaker 1: to be balanced. And if we don't think that Dak
Speaker 1: is in the elite quarterback, if you're not, if you're
Speaker 1: not putting him in that Mahomes and Rogers, you need
Speaker 1: to be running the ball more effectively. And as Danny
Speaker 1: talked about, you see, man, you're getting them shots that
Speaker 1: he's still throwing picks. You know what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: Let's take that ball out your hand a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Run that thing and keep your defense off the field.
Speaker 1: This is not a defensive needs to be out there
Speaker 1: thirty plus minutes. I don't think there. But was this
Speaker 1: ad an extreme you're talking about, you know, running it
Speaker 1: in circumstances and all that good stuff, But was this
Speaker 1: team dominant in the ground, Like we can say, all right,
Speaker 1: you know what, Dad, you're struggling right now, Just turn
Speaker 1: around and hand and football off. How many times did
Speaker 1: we see Zeke go three yards in a cloud of dust?
Speaker 1: You know? I mean, how many let's run this day?
Speaker 1: We got? We got t Yeah, we did, we did.
Speaker 1: There was in the Pro Bowl running the football, just
Speaker 1: in totality what he was able to do catching the
Speaker 1: ball out of the backfield as well, I think I
Speaker 1: think when that happens. What you also have to say is,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy is a Super Bowl winning coach watching killing
Speaker 1: Moore called plays, maybe saying, okay, can we get a
Speaker 1: little bit more creative with the runs? Did we have
Speaker 1: the most creative run game in the league? But how
Speaker 1: But when you go back to his Super Bowl, how
Speaker 1: did he get there be something in the ground game? No, No,
Speaker 1: he's been in the lab. Now, if you if you're talking,
Speaker 1: if you're talking about running the ball, you been in
Speaker 1: the lab. And let's say, let's say you've been studying
Speaker 1: teams who who who had great defenses and they were
Speaker 1: able to run the ball. Right, So you are looking
Speaker 1: at a Shanahan type of offense and you're saying, hey, man,
Speaker 1: it's our running game, this creative. Do we have the
Speaker 1: weapons to be able to duplicate what they're doing with
Speaker 1: a Deebo, Sam, you are are the running back by committee?
Speaker 1: When they come in, I would say, no, we don't.
Speaker 1: I would say our running game was less creative than
Speaker 1: our passing game. I think most of the creativity was,
Speaker 1: hey man, how are we gonna line up four guys
Speaker 1: out here, five guys out here and kind of trick them,
Speaker 1: dick them and see how we can get this defensive
Speaker 1: kind of you know, lose sight of somebody versus, hey man,
Speaker 1: can we run missdirection that somebody that nobody's seen before?
Speaker 1: We can get the linebackers out of position. Because we
Speaker 1: always seem seemed to be that team right when if
Speaker 1: we pursued too fast, then teams will catch us and
Speaker 1: that we're pursuing kind of, you know, use the cutbacks
Speaker 1: on us. Did we did we do that? I was like, man,
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard in the game, all right, we know that's
Speaker 1: where it's going, all right, Zeke in the game, we
Speaker 1: know it's going right there. Yeah, And they became predictable
Speaker 1: a lot in the season. But it's I think it's
Speaker 1: just what I guess what we're talking about is was
Speaker 1: what he said Shade at Kellen, and I thought I
Speaker 1: didn't think it was I didn't think it was. I
Speaker 1: thought as much as people perceived it to be that way,
Speaker 1: I thought he was just, you know, basically stating the
Speaker 1: obvious about how you're supposed to take care of your
Speaker 1: football team, especially when you have a lead or you
Speaker 1: you know, wherever you are in the football game. But
Speaker 1: I do understand what I agree with you completely. The
Speaker 1: creativity and the running game wasn't there. They They ran
Speaker 1: a lot of outside zone when Polo was in and
Speaker 1: it was more power when Zeke was in the game.
Speaker 1: Fullbacks to boom fourth than one my man. Zeke was
Speaker 1: lined up at fullback, you know, every every time. And
Speaker 1: that's where I think a lot of times with this
Speaker 1: the offensive play calling for Kelly Moore was so maddening.
Speaker 1: Is that the it just sputtered you didn't It didn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't have an identity. Even looking back over last season.
Speaker 1: What was the identity of this team? What were they
Speaker 1: that you know, blood to bone? What were they good at? True? Well,
Speaker 1: what they were good at saying was all right, man,
Speaker 1: they extension of the running game. And that started in
Speaker 1: week one of the season. We all said in his
Speaker 1: and everybody's like, hey man, Tampa Bay got a great defense.
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna be able to run it against the
Speaker 1: so we're gonna have an extension of the running game.
Speaker 1: We got through a bubble screen, at the bubble screen,
Speaker 1: at the bubble screen, and everybody came here Saturday. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about Yeah, Yeah, that's I mean, that's the running game.
Speaker 1: That's the running game. Two years later to a year later,
Speaker 1: Mike called me talking about, Hey man, we need to
Speaker 1: run the ball ball So what you think big Mike
Speaker 1: was thinking? After that Press Company say, man, we threw
Speaker 1: the ball a fet the time we lost the game,
Speaker 1: and we talked about we ran the ball well because
Speaker 1: we did extensive on the Hura Running Game. And as
Speaker 1: Mike got criticism, I went back into this and we
Speaker 1: kind of talked about this, and nobody's beat this one
Speaker 1: home more than Danny. You hired a dude who was
Speaker 1: a play caller and he's not calling the plays in
Speaker 1: front of the beginning. Yeah, what what are we doing
Speaker 1: other than I? And it's just just me. I believe
Speaker 1: he sat there and just like, yeah, man, Kelling Moore.
Speaker 1: To hire Kelling Moore? Where I went? So you get
Speaker 1: the job? The man said, he looked the Jets and
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns told you know, so after you losing jobs
Speaker 1: and them through franchisees. Man, he's gonna say what they
Speaker 1: you need to. Oh yeah, you're a genius boy, Genie White.
Speaker 1: Work with a boy. Um, so you say what you
Speaker 1: gotta say to get the time. I ain't gonna lie. Man.
Speaker 1: My first job Nascar, Yeah, man, yeah, I ain't know
Speaker 1: nothing except for Richard pett bro I't know nothing about Nascar.
Speaker 1: I knew that Joe Gibbs on the team. I knew
Speaker 1: Richard Petty and here Richard Petty win the more races.
Speaker 1: So dude, I was that black dude out there? Um,
Speaker 1: the black dude? It was? It was. It was a
Speaker 1: couple of others, y'all, y'all head down of each other.
Speaker 1: He can you help me? What's the what's the tire test? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What's right front? I mean, I ain't know, but you know,
Speaker 1: I need to say. I need to get their job.
Speaker 1: So alert, But but look, unaway, unaway, what do you
Speaker 1: have to do to get the job. Jason Garret was
Speaker 1: already hired. I was already hired. You had to say that.
Speaker 1: So basically the last two guys who come head coach
Speaker 1: had to take these dudes them called play. What was
Speaker 1: the question because I want to know what it was
Speaker 1: asked to him? Like was it you know? Because I
Speaker 1: feel like I don't know the exact question, but I
Speaker 1: feel like he could have just been like, you know what, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, Kellen is gonna have a bright future somewhere else.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go in a different direction and leave it
Speaker 1: at that. Okay, this was the actual question. This is
Speaker 1: great because when it happened, I asked for I produce,
Speaker 1: do we have this? Because McCarthy did the podium and
Speaker 1: then Macholda told me no, this was off to the
Speaker 1: side or like in the breakfast or whatever, old where
Speaker 1: they didn't have cameras, people a little more loose, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and you guys know us very well. How
Speaker 1: you hear something in writing versus watching someone say it.
Speaker 1: I didn't take it as him shading Kelln Moore as
Speaker 1: much as I'm saying, hey, man, look young play I've
Speaker 1: been here, man, Hey, this is my job is sent
Speaker 1: upon dialogs who players this we're gonna do. It's a
Speaker 1: head coach. I think differently. It's it's it's maybe you
Speaker 1: studied this win in school. In your business school with
Speaker 1: the zoom in, zoom out, mccarthur, us zooming out. You
Speaker 1: look at it the whole thing you Kellen Moore us
Speaker 1: zooming in because we were put us some points. That's
Speaker 1: what we do. And McCarthy saying, man, I need as
Speaker 1: a play calle to win championships, you gotta zoom out.
Speaker 1: And when you're young, you don't really know that. And
Speaker 1: he it wasn't like he was on a super Bowl
Speaker 1: team here or anywhere else in his career in Detroit.
Speaker 1: That's how I I didn't take it as a slam.
Speaker 1: I think Kelly mo Wharton him, we'll go to go
Speaker 1: to LA and be good. Yeah, I think you're good luck.
Speaker 1: I can't Keller More and Herbert now, I can't Baby Show.
Speaker 1: I think he would be good. You're gonna have him
Speaker 1: on the show. The head coach will get everyone fired.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, I want none of that. I want
Speaker 1: none of that. I don't want to know. You're already
Speaker 1: trying to hand the camp I don't want to hit.
Speaker 1: I want don't. He's not gonna let that man have
Speaker 1: no out, no out campin already. No, it's going to
Speaker 1: be allowed. Keenan Allen might not be the head coach.
Speaker 1: Not good, but Keller more doesn't Herbert, they hold them
Speaker 1: back four to nine. He gonna let keller Morena call
Speaker 1: the play and you good like that Zeke player gonna
Speaker 1: be snapping the ball. See that ain't way? So who
Speaker 1: can come on? Man O? The Big Mike raised ahead
Speaker 1: of you. Believe Big Mike came up with the last
Speaker 1: play that we saw this season when Zeke lined up
Speaker 1: at center. You think it was Big Mike absolute okay?
Speaker 1: Not raised your hand if you think it was Keller
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Speaker 1: fantastic job for where he was drafted. But he paid
Speaker 1: him ten million dollars last year camp on the franchise tack.
Speaker 1: You got the two rookies that show you they can play.
Speaker 1: I just say you let Dalton Sholts go. This is
Speaker 1: a very good tight end draft. Um, that big old
Speaker 1: boy from Georgia, say, yeah, that was a massive child
Speaker 1: when I saw him, Like this is somey's child twenty one,
Speaker 1: twenty one, Yes, but this is a good tightened class.
Speaker 1: This is a good tightened class, and the Cowboys, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, have done a really good job of being
Speaker 1: able to identify that ends because you got a great
Speaker 1: coach that identifies tight ends as well. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: you come up with schottenferg this year, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: they didn't They couldn't look down into the future to
Speaker 1: realize that they were going to get that kind of
Speaker 1: production out of those two young guys. And that that's
Speaker 1: we talked about that all season. That's what made shows expendable.
Speaker 1: Not that Shows didn't have a hell of a year,
Speaker 1: not that he's not the quarterback's best friend. I just
Speaker 1: believe that when you look at the roster, you recognize that, look,
Speaker 1: you got two young guns that you If you stay
Speaker 1: with these guys on these rookie contracts that you have, man,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a lot of production out of these guys.
Speaker 1: And plus this tight end group is pretty talented. As
Speaker 1: you talk about the guy from I ain't gonna call
Speaker 1: him a child grown man from Georgia's child. Wait till
Speaker 1: he become a grown man. Once you get up here,
Speaker 1: they start utilizing that tastically. They poor tcut mean maybe
Speaker 1: I mean, well, that was the brotherhood and the one
Speaker 1: the other the other man who white guy was just killing.
Speaker 1: Everybody was like, oh my god, stop it. It was
Speaker 1: a mismatch. It was, it was, it was. It was
Speaker 1: the ninth grade team and the varsity that I had
Speaker 1: faith I have faith in and you know, impossibly bringing
Speaker 1: back sholtz Uh for a while. I can say that's
Speaker 1: about about two percent now, two percent one the price tag,
Speaker 1: two the young talent we have on the roster. Three.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy said, we're going to focus on being a
Speaker 1: running team, you know what I mean, And that is
Speaker 1: not a strength about man shots. Um, you know, getting
Speaker 1: out there lining up in the formation and blocking a
Speaker 1: defensive end that that is not his specialty. Even lining
Speaker 1: up out there at number one trying to block guys
Speaker 1: in space on the bubble screen, that is not his specialty.
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's that's ultimately, that's what's gonna
Speaker 1: be the reason that that him up out of here.
Speaker 1: But I'm just telling him and they got they got
Speaker 1: a special relationship, but you can't block on the running team. Man,
Speaker 1: You about it though, it's a rap and then look,
Speaker 1: you know, you guys hit dollar show. So I'm not
Speaker 1: going to add on to that. But when you talk
Speaker 1: about Donovan Wilson, that's the other one, right, Donald Wilson.
Speaker 1: I love his game. I love his game. He's a
Speaker 1: thumper and forcer, comes downhill, he's cracking skalls. I mean,
Speaker 1: the guy's the type of guy you want to go
Speaker 1: into trenches with. But when you look at that that
Speaker 1: tag or you know what the safeties are getting, that's
Speaker 1: fourteen ms, fourteen ms a year for an enforcer. I
Speaker 1: can't see that unless you're Cam Chancellor and the way
Speaker 1: he was able to, you know, change the dynamic of
Speaker 1: the game, then yeah, I go ahead and and try
Speaker 1: to get a deal done with him. But you know,
Speaker 1: no disrespect to him, but he's not Cam Chancellor and
Speaker 1: he's not taking the ball away enough for me to
Speaker 1: warrant that fourteen tag. Like I could see he's a playmaker,
Speaker 1: but he's not you know how Earl Thomas wasn't in
Speaker 1: his day, or Troy Palamala where they're not getting picked
Speaker 1: and jumping over put the dog. Who's the best roster
Speaker 1: is it Donovan Wilson. Okay, that's not even the best
Speaker 1: one on the roster. Well go ahead, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: and I guess what I'm when I when I look
Speaker 1: at Donovan Wilson is you know how it goes when
Speaker 1: they saw throwing that or you're a box safety, you
Speaker 1: know what that means. That's that's to insinuate that you
Speaker 1: can't cover right, you're a downhill guy. And I think
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys played primarily with with a three safety
Speaker 1: system this entire season, and of the three, you would
Speaker 1: look at Donald as the weakest link when it comes
Speaker 1: down to coverage. I only say some linebackers can't come
Speaker 1: up better than you heard. So that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: So and especially with you know, I heard Jerry talking
Speaker 1: about this in his interview, just saying how the NFL
Speaker 1: has evolved into a tight end league and how you're
Speaker 1: looking for that mismatch. And I'm sorry, I don't know
Speaker 1: if y'all saw this or not, but Kittle better baptime.
Speaker 1: You know it was. It was yo, And everybody's trying.
Speaker 1: Everybody's trying to scheme and find the mismatching. A lot
Speaker 1: of time he was on the losing end of that.
Speaker 1: But when it comes down to a guy coming down
Speaker 1: hill meeting you at the line of scrimmage, boys six
Speaker 1: is the man. He's like Thomas Everett. He's throwing I mean,
Speaker 1: you pulled out trop Paula Mallo. It's a guy like that.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying like he's one of those throwback
Speaker 1: type safeties at the line of scrimmage. That's why they're
Speaker 1: not throwing him back. Fourteen million dollars happening. It's not
Speaker 1: having safety Ruiner. Dan Quinn is like that old group
Speaker 1: Manu Dough. Who Manu Dough? So what happened is so
Speaker 1: the brother's name on the group. Think think of the
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Speaker 1: somebody else. Yeah, oh Barry Church you now sixteen? Were
Speaker 1: you out? Manu Doough? We gotta go find a s
Speaker 1: fourteen year? You canna find somebody else dan Quinn's job. Hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we need you to identify the talent. We
Speaker 1: will get them low and then you're gonna go in
Speaker 1: here and play with Bill Polian hired Tony Dungee. One
Speaker 1: reason why he said he wanted to run the Tampa too.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't want to pay money for man
Speaker 1: corners because man corners cost me too much. But I
Speaker 1: can draft some younger guys with Tony and he could
Speaker 1: coach him up as he was trying. That was his
Speaker 1: whole thing. I'm He's like, I'll pay him a defensive ends,
Speaker 1: but I ain't trying to pay on the back. In
Speaker 1: dan Quinn, you gonna find it's the safety that you like.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the Bell kid that they brought in from
Speaker 1: Florida and them exactly we're going to We're going to
Speaker 1: keep just replacing these guys. Jimmy Johnson's whole thing was like,
Speaker 1: I don't pay linebacks. Say I'll pay him to the front,
Speaker 1: pay him to the back, but I ain't paying in
Speaker 1: the middle. So Ken Norton was allowed to leave, Robert
Speaker 1: Jones was allowed to leave. Godfrey Miles was lovely that
Speaker 1: somewhere along the way in the salary cap where you
Speaker 1: gotta say, man, this is just where I'm a try
Speaker 1: and plug and play. And my gosh, dan Quinn has
Speaker 1: been here. I mean, he's been successful at a spot
Speaker 1: where we for years we're like, oh my god. Now
Speaker 1: I don't know about Manudo. But you did say new edition.
Speaker 1: But I would say, right on right. I would say
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Speaker 1: All right. We were tossing around topics. One of the
Speaker 1: topics brought up there, um, can you award to pay
Speaker 1: your quarterback big free agent money and win a championship?
Speaker 1: Then it was the dot dot dot like my homes. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's out of the conversation unless you have my last
Speaker 1: If you don't have my homes, can you afford to
Speaker 1: do that? If you don't have one of the most
Speaker 1: talented quarterbacks that you've ever seen on tire life, can
Speaker 1: you afford to pay your quarterback a ton of money
Speaker 1: and not be able to feel I guess fill them
Speaker 1: around him with a bunch of talented guys, receivers, tight ends,
Speaker 1: running back. Can you get the job done? Can you
Speaker 1: get super Bowl? Not just not just winning? Can you
Speaker 1: get to the Super Bowl winning winning Can you be
Speaker 1: a super Bowl Can you have a super Bowl winning
Speaker 1: team if you don't have enough money to go out
Speaker 1: and get big town free agents to surround your quarterback with.
Speaker 1: Can you afford to pay Dak and then feel this roster?
Speaker 1: Come on the man, I mean, now I'm talking about Dak,
Speaker 1: were talking about Lamar, We're talking about all the guys
Speaker 1: who are Joe Burrow. We talk about guys who are
Speaker 1: gonna be coming up soon, who you're looking at getting
Speaker 1: paid more than fifty million dollars a year. But then
Speaker 1: we have to take my homes off the table. No,
Speaker 1: that's that's what I said. Okay, No, my home's outlier. Okay, outlined. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's not getting it, but he like, we understand that.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't really curious to see what Cincinnati
Speaker 1: is gonna do with Joe Burrow. He's the one quarterback
Speaker 1: that I think is out of all that group, is
Speaker 1: more talented than the talent that's around. He makes these
Speaker 1: guys better. Listen, Chase is that boy. But I do
Speaker 1: believe that he benefits by also having a great quarterback.
Speaker 1: Um and so listen, listen, I just listen. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody else everybody else that falls into that category, I
Speaker 1: think you have a hard time because it's also on
Speaker 1: the other side of the of the ball. You know,
Speaker 1: you gotta have guys that can get stops on defense also,
Speaker 1: So all things being considered, um, I think that's what
Speaker 1: makes that that argument so intriguing because if you know,
Speaker 1: in the quarterback era and the and the way that
Speaker 1: they put the salary cap together, they damned the handicap
Speaker 1: you if you're paying one guy quarter of what the
Speaker 1: salary cap is, So you know, I think it's a
Speaker 1: legitimate gripe. But it's just teams that seem to be
Speaker 1: able to get that done. And that's what I guess.
Speaker 1: That's where my question is that something especially like the
Speaker 1: ram like they just look at him. They paid Stafford.
Speaker 1: Stafford making top dollar paid man, he was making top dollar.
Speaker 1: He was never giving anybody any deals when he was
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, and he Denver had to pay him big money. Um.
Speaker 1: Eli was never some dude who's playing. He wouldn't even
Speaker 1: know Tom Brady contract Eli was playing top five. No. No,
Speaker 1: the only reason I'm gonna take Stafford out is because
Speaker 1: on that Super Bowl winning team, he had weapons around him.
Speaker 1: Receiver wise, his receiver one the Triple Crown. We said
Speaker 1: Odell was going to go off and win Super Bowl
Speaker 1: MVP at that time, So he did have at least
Speaker 1: two guys at that time. And Cooper Couple is unstoppable
Speaker 1: at that point, and the defense and defense on there.
Speaker 1: You got jakeon Ramsey on there. But you had a
Speaker 1: guy making signific forge no no, but no, no, But
Speaker 1: then these guys were making money before Matthew Stafford came in,
Speaker 1: Like he came in and was surrounded by these guys
Speaker 1: when he got there. Can you pay a guy that's
Speaker 1: on your team now and then still bring in all
Speaker 1: those guys like the Rams? So do a reverse? We
Speaker 1: get Stafford? Do we still getting Violne Miller, were still
Speaker 1: getting Jayalen Ramsey, We still get paying Aaron Donald? Are
Speaker 1: you still able to do all those things? Can I
Speaker 1: give you? I'll give you one scenario. They the team
Speaker 1: did win the Super Bowl because the head coach messed
Speaker 1: up by trusting the quarterback. But Jimmy Garoppolo witness to
Speaker 1: San Francisco seven games. They made him the highest paid
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. And you know they did go
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. I think he's like through nine
Speaker 1: pad completely nine pass an FC championship game. But but
Speaker 1: to me that listening to you, does that qualify They
Speaker 1: didn't win? Can you win a super Bowl? They didn't win,
Speaker 1: so can they? Yeah? They probably could have won the game,
Speaker 1: but they lost. So have we seen it? Ye, big Ben?
Speaker 1: I mean we saw Ian And now you're doing the
Speaker 1: exclusion you said, can we yeah, have we seen it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we saw it. We just Patrick Mahomes And now you're saying, well,
Speaker 1: you gotta take him out. The exclusion is we people
Speaker 1: are considering Patrick Mahomes to be the greatest quarterback of
Speaker 1: all time already. I wouldn't say that, have you not?
Speaker 1: Have you not heard that? Have we not heard that?
Speaker 1: Didn't say that? Man? Is it fair to say that
Speaker 1: he is probably ahead of pace when it comes to
Speaker 1: being the greatest of all time? He's ahead of the page.
Speaker 1: He's on a Hall of Fame trajectory resume right now.
Speaker 1: So who I mean to me? I feel this is
Speaker 1: just me. I feel like it's a moving target. You
Speaker 1: got going right now? Hey, can you pay a quarterback?
Speaker 1: And we're super Bowl? Yeah? Patrick holds, No, take him
Speaker 1: out of it. It's the only one you brought up
Speaker 1: Jimmy Rappler didn't win. Can you have a super Bowl
Speaker 1: winning team many? Yeah, Okay, they did it with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fine. Okay, there we go. I mean, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have the outliers. But then when you start saying pay
Speaker 1: like Peyton Manning, Like, oh, Peyton Manning, Eli, let's say
Speaker 1: this too about Eli Manning. Eli Manning had one of
Speaker 1: the best defenses in it. Let's not forget. But that
Speaker 1: paid him elite money. Those guys, That's what I'm saying
Speaker 1: here Tom Conner and out here giving out no discounts.
Speaker 1: So absolutely he was paid. Absolutely, And the question for
Speaker 1: me is is, right now, the Cowboys have a situation
Speaker 1: with Dak and I think that's what Jerry was talking
Speaker 1: about that, like, it's damn the difficult to put that
Speaker 1: kind of talent around this guy and also pay CD
Speaker 1: and also play digs and also pay Michael down a lone.
Speaker 1: You got so many guys that you have to pay.
Speaker 1: And then the expectation is he can do it with
Speaker 1: the just a limited talent and aging talent that he
Speaker 1: has around him, and I don't think he can. You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to get guys around him that he's proven
Speaker 1: to you, I gotta have some dudes, And who builds
Speaker 1: a roster like that other than having a guy on
Speaker 1: a rookie deal and not on a forty million dollar
Speaker 1: year deal. To your point, and Bill Polian wrote a
Speaker 1: book about five or six years ago, It's really good. Um.
Speaker 1: Just before he was out here trying to move with
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson the wires here, but he spoke about, shit,
Speaker 1: I'm glad, I'm glad you want to throw that out there,
Speaker 1: building and building the coach and building the Colts. And
Speaker 1: he said, you in the NFL, today's NFL, you have
Speaker 1: to decide where do I want to be offensive defense?
Speaker 1: He's like, Colts, we were offense, put the money towards offense,
Speaker 1: and we just paid a couple of dudes on defense.
Speaker 1: And asked our head coach, man, we need you coach
Speaker 1: a bunch of these young dudes. Then he talked about
Speaker 1: Seattle on the other side, they went heavy defense. They
Speaker 1: went heavy defense, and just said, hey, you know, offensively,
Speaker 1: we're gonna run the ball here and simple formula right
Speaker 1: before Russka cook. Um. So, so in Jerry's case, he's
Speaker 1: at this point where I feel like Jerry, You're trying
Speaker 1: to pay a little bit of everybody here. What what
Speaker 1: are you? What are you doing? He's also missed paid guys.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, why didn't you get Dak when you
Speaker 1: could have had him at the Golf Wentz price. Those
Speaker 1: guys Golf and Wins are still on those same deals,
Speaker 1: still on those same deals that they signed a thirty
Speaker 1: something million. Now they look like bargains. I mean Detroit
Speaker 1: like ain't gonna get rid of Golkins made thirty two
Speaker 1: million dollars. Fine, Um, they could have had him there.
Speaker 1: That's a mistake. You paid Zeke and gave him the
Speaker 1: highest number out there for a running back. You messed up.
Speaker 1: He was still two years in. Then with Cooper, you
Speaker 1: made a trade from Mary Cooper and you didn't side
Speaker 1: into a contract immediately. So we look at that and
Speaker 1: so you wait until the end. You gotta pay Dak.
Speaker 1: They messed up. They pay you boy Crawford instead of
Speaker 1: paying Tank Laures. All along the way we go sit
Speaker 1: up in like Dak is your fault? Manage at some points,
Speaker 1: I but the fins you want to beat up four
Speaker 1: when it's like look at your management team, asking what
Speaker 1: they do. If we're shareholders in the company, we'll be
Speaker 1: looking at Jerry selling what hey man, this right man?
Speaker 1: We we we are. We are not identifying and paying
Speaker 1: the people at the right time. I mean, Crawford, man,
Speaker 1: how do you? How do you pick up that check
Speaker 1: with a straight face? Have somebody go get it, get
Speaker 1: out of the car. I sorry, I'm sorry, but what
Speaker 1: what did he do? What did he do? What did
Speaker 1: he do? And it takes it up here sacking ball?
Speaker 1: Go to Pro Bowl and he's a begging for dollars. Man,
Speaker 1: but they that I just fight it hard. I got nothing.
Speaker 1: I just feel bad when when when Terry come out here, Hey,
Speaker 1: dak no, you were paying you all that money? You
Speaker 1: did this? No, but but how about this? What happens
Speaker 1: when you're not bullish on a guy. When I'm not
Speaker 1: sold on your talent. I understand that I have talent.
Speaker 1: You got the best offensive line in the league, your
Speaker 1: rookie the season, and the best running back in the
Speaker 1: league your rookie season. All of that translates into the victories,
Speaker 1: and you still don't get to the NFC Championship. Problem.
Speaker 1: Manya right, you're right, But still, if I'm not sold
Speaker 1: on your talent. You think about Dak in his second
Speaker 1: year coming in like again, he was. He was they
Speaker 1: you saw his limitations they were blaring, and the more
Speaker 1: they tried to push him out there to be this
Speaker 1: elite level quarterback, more and more he showed you. Look,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get guys around him. What did
Speaker 1: they do? They ran out Alan Herns and what's my
Speaker 1: man number eleven Fries Measley. You know they ran those
Speaker 1: guys and there was no way that Dak was gonna
Speaker 1: succeed with that. But then they make a mid season
Speaker 1: trade for Cooper. Okay, this is gonna work, and you
Speaker 1: didn't pay Cooper. So you go to Fridgent where I
Speaker 1: kept watching it. Give me a whole bunch of cash.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, okay, guess we'll meet your number one
Speaker 1: Hunter Meal. Either way, I'm just saying, as Dak is
Speaker 1: right now, you recognize Look it's has Dak. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask you, this has Dak plateaued. As far as his talent,
Speaker 1: is this as good as it gonna get. Is he
Speaker 1: gonna unveil anything in his game? That's gonna tell you?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's a new wrinkle. No, not new but
Speaker 1: if Dak gets back to being a mobile quarterback, then
Speaker 1: I think I think it does. But do you really
Speaker 1: believe that he's actually going to No, No, he did
Speaker 1: a little bit more, you know, towards the end of
Speaker 1: the season, we saw him run a little bit more.
Speaker 1: I think he gets back to that, then you you
Speaker 1: might see you know, some growth. Uh And they thought
Speaker 1: growth there cruising off that's where that's what made that
Speaker 1: when that when Dak was on his way to getting
Speaker 1: paid before that, to run the ball and move the
Speaker 1: chains by getting out of the pocket extended plays. That
Speaker 1: was a huge part of his game. Since he's heard
Speaker 1: of something you haven't really seen that, haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: and now that's glaring. That's a glaring issue for you saying,
Speaker 1: hey man, we paid this guy because he was one
Speaker 1: of those mobile quarterbacks. Even to the point where Jerry
Speaker 1: was talking about, oh, that's some of that stuff Cam
Speaker 1: Dowton is doing that should be able to do some
Speaker 1: of that. That is what Jerry thought about Dak's ability
Speaker 1: to run the ball. And he's got hurt. You haven't
Speaker 1: been able to see it. Gosh, it's just fun. We
Speaker 1: will continue this discussion. You know, got a lot more,
Speaker 1: a lot more to talk about. This thing we talked
Speaker 1: about for a long long time. We'll do that next week.
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Speaker 1: can't say nothing about it. Taking the will fare, doing dollar.
Speaker 1: They gotta make change. I don't agree shakes up to.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with the words. My word. He's selling
Speaker 1: merchant words, the sales man not they paid the Canadians.
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