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Speaker 1: Tyros dress. Hey boo, it's me Roz. I am going

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Speaker 1: to keep it pretty quick on this intro today because

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Speaker 1: we have got a full episode with Kirsten Vangsnez, who

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Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, I keep being reminded of

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Speaker 1: I live in the spooky too. My my home is

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Speaker 1: So. See that thing was so frustrating to me because

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Speaker 2: And she does pilates at the same place that I do.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. She was also she was on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, they all kind of they all kind of

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Speaker 2: you wish. So. I was raised when I was a

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Speaker 2: California town. When I was a little girl. We would

431
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: go to this place called the Zalad House, which the

432
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: Zalads lived in and they didn't live in there anymore.

433
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 2: It was just like a big old Victorian house. It

434
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: was really one of the only beautiful houses in Porterville.

435
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 2: And we would go and you know, it was like

436
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 2: all this Victorian furniture and it was all like with ropes,

437
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: you know, like partitioned off so you could just walk

438
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 2: through with little kids like and you'd go every year,

439
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: so we all knew all the stories and it was

440
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 2: really spooky even just that, you know what I mean,

441
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: like a Victorian place with velvet ropes, and you sit

442
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 2: there and you stare at everything and you imagine what

443
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: it's gonna be like at night. And I lived on

444
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 2: this street that was pretty desolate. Off to one side,

445
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: there was nothing but a field off to one side,

446
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: and it was not a great street. My house burnt

447
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: down soon after I moved away because the people who

448
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: then lived there made it into a meth lab and

449
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: it burnt down. And the street I lived on, although

450
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 2: I remember being like, oh it was quaint when I

451
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 2: went and visited. There were no star sidewalks, and you know,

452
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: children are in the middle of the street wearing no

453
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: clothes but a diaper, like it was. It was intense.

454
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: And then you're like, oh yeah, this is oh yeah,

455
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: like this is this, this is it. So now it's

456
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,719
Speaker 2: it's a little tiny story. The first bit is a

457
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: teeny tiny story and the second it's just slightly longer.

458
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 2: So I had a very tumultuous upbringing, and my my

459
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 2: father moved out of the house. My parents didn't get

460
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: a divorce, but he moved out, uh, And he would

461
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 2: come back on the weekends, and my sister had friends.

462
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: My sister was. My sister had friends, and she would

463
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: she would go and be gone. And I didn't have

464
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: friends to who invited me over to their house. And

465
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: so I was a very odd looking kid. And I,

466
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 2: you know, I think being queer in any way and

467
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: and not not being good at suppressing it can make

468
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 2: your life, especially we don't know what it is, can

469
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 2: make your life really tumultuous and strange when you're a kid.

470
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: And I did not know the words for, you know,

471
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: or know how to handle like I'm a you know,

472
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 2: bisexual who leans towards girls Like I don't know what

473
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: that is, but you're enacting this behavior and then on

474
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: top of the fact of like this family stuff. So

475
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: I was my mom who was doing her very best,

476
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: really really really, we had gotten into some sort of thing,

477
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: and at night I would get so terrified. I would

478
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: just get these night tares every single night. And this

479
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: is the part of this story where you realize that

480
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: Kirsten has a landline, and you're like, I thought, has

481
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: who has a landline? Like is Kirsten a ghost? Because

482
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: why would there be a landline? And also why doesn't

483
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: she turn it off? Because she's in a little pod

484
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: of thing and she can't reach. So it's done okay anyway,

485
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: So I.

486
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: Love that though that's the first landline we've ever had

487
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: in a row.

488
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome.

489
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: See, it's good.

490
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: I'm doing old timey. My mom insisted, like it's one

491
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: of my mom's rules, like I have to have a landline.

492
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: You're like why, like because earthquakes and I don't know

493
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: what that means, but I just I love her, so

494
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it, she says. So I would get

495
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: these night terrors, and it's my mom was really trying

496
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 2: her best and couldn't really face all this stuff that

497
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: was going on at the time. And so she just

498
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: couldn't handle it. So I would get these night terrors,

499
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: and my sister wasn't at home this one particular night,

500
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: and I hated being in my room by myself, both

501
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: because of what I would do with my own imagination

502
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: and because of what would actually happened like, And so

503
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: me and my sister would we would we would try

504
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: to do haunted houses in the house and in our

505
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: bedroom because for entertainment, because we didn't really have anything.

506
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: So you just play like Night on Bald Mountain on

507
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: repeat from Fantasia and then like try to build like

508
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: sheet forts and stuff and yeah, but like and that's

509
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: about as scary as I could go. So we would

510
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: do spooky things in the very room in which I slept,

511
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: but not super spooky, because again I get freaked out.

512
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: But when I would go to bed and I would

513
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: have these night terrors and by night tairs and me

514
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: and I just wouldn't sleep all night. Uh that were

515
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: well founded, But uh, what are you gonna do? I

516
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: would hear this tapping on my uh, on the window,

517
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: and the window of my bedroom was at the very

518
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: front of our house. We lived in this dilapidated house

519
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: that was like built in the probably like the forties,

520
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: and it was kind of like a craftsman So it

521
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: had these big old paned windows on the front. And

522
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: so my bedroom was there was this window, and I

523
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: would hear this tapping.

524
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: And and uh on the first floor.

525
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was only a one floorhouse. And and it

526
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: was like I said, like, and this is I was

527
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: in like seventh grade. And when I was in seventh grade,

528
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: I would get beat up all the time. I looked

529
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: like a boy. And by beat up, I didn't get

530
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: beat up. In seventh grade, there was something that was

531
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: called being trash canned, and that's where they put you

532
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: in a trash can and and you sort of band

533
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: together with other you know, in my in this sit

534
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: at this time, it was three other girls that also

535
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: got beat up. And you're not really friends, but you're

536
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: just kind of like you stay together in a pod

537
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: as often as possible. Totally, and and now my garage

538
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: is making a noise. Okay, I'm back. So so I

539
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: would have these weird things happen in real life because

540
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: I was negotiating a lot of stuff and hormones and

541
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: school and all this. So I would hear things in

542
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: my head I was full bananas in seventh grade. And

543
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: I can call myself that because it's me, so I'm

544
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: allowed to call myself bananas. And like I would count,

545
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: I was doing a lot of like I've got to

546
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: count to seven every time I do this, and I

547
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: was I just all kinds of things that I'm not

548
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: gonna bore you with. But when you're hearing tapping on

549
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: the window and you're already doing all this other weird stuff,

550
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: and you're doing all this weird stuff because again, no

551
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: one's like, oh, this kid is all this other stressful

552
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: things happened to kids all the time. Primary caregivers are

553
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: figuring out their lives and how to manage stress, and

554
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: then you have these children that they've decided to have

555
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: that are literally getting bathed in this wash of the

556
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: way that their parents have been taught to handle stress.

557
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: And my parents weren't good at that, especially my dad,

558
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: and and so I was really weird. So I'd hear

559
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: this tapping noise, and everyone was always everything was my imagination,

560
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: So everything I saw was my imagine. It was always

561
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: just Kisen's histrionic and Kiersen's whatever. And this one night,

562
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: my mom said, like she just got like fed up

563
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: with me being afraid because I would kind of tiptoe

564
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: and in. It was my bedtime, and I'd keep kind

565
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: of going in too, like try to sleep on the

566
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: on the floor in the hallway and by her by

567
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: her bed bedroom, and my sister wasn't there, my dad

568
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: wasn't there, and she was like good and she'd like

569
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: yelled at me, and I get back into bed because

570
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: I had already gotten out twice because of this tap

571
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap,

572
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: and then I went back in and then i'd go

573
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: back in my bedroom and it's now it's tapping like consistently,

574
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I got I'm gonna I can't. I

575
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: can't go back into her room because if I do,

576
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: I'm going to like lose you know, my you know,

577
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: we had we had hit the like you lose you know,

578
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: two weeks of phone privileges and you you can't we

579
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: had we'd hit a consequence was gonna happen if I

580
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: did it again kind of situation. And this tapping just

581
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: starts going, going, going, and my head is by the

582
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: window and I can feel the window like moving, and

583
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 2: all of a sudden I just like closed my eyes

584
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm just going to ignore it. It's

585
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: my imagination. And the second I say it's my imagination,

586
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: it's like someone took their fist and hit the window

587
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 2: and it's like boom boom, like right in my ear.

588
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: And I jump out of bed and I run down

589
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: the hallway and I tell my mom and I and

590
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: I lose everything, but at that moment, I don't care,

591
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: like do it do it? I'm not And uh to

592
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: the point that my mom believed me enough. She was like,

593
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: you're in so much trouble. You lost all this. I

594
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: was still in trouble, but she very angrily and it's

595
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: my mom is lovely and at the time going through

596
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: so much. You know, it's hard being a single not

597
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: single mom, and you got this narcissist guy. So I

598
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 2: want to give her a lot of compassion and just say,

599
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: like she was in a state, but you know, she

600
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 2: doing the best. I remember her angrily taking these two giant,

601
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: you know pans, like these old Italian you know, cast

602
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: iron things, and like banging them together and outside and

603
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: there was nothing out there. There was nothing out there.

604
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 1: And uh oh, and she went out to get the boogeyman.

605
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because she well, she knew that there was

606
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: anything out there, and and like it was within seconds

607
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: that she went out there there was nothing there. And

608
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: then when I went back to bed, I put myself

609
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: to bed with like this. I mean, it was awful,

610
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: like it didn't bang like that anymore, but the tapping,

611
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: and it was so annoyingly inconsistent in that it seemed

612
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: to be it seemed to be moving with how I

613
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: was thinking, if that makes sense. It's like I would

614
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: finally calm down and then it would be like I

615
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: would be like oh, and then it would kind of stop,

616
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: but and then it faded out because it used to happen.

617
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: But the only one time did the big bang thing

618
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: happen with the with what sounded like a fist. Now

619
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: that was in seventh grade.

620
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: And okay, sorry, no, go ahead, no please. Well, I

621
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: was wondering if you had like an explanation for what

622
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: this was, but is that.

623
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: When you were well, I'm kind of it's not an

624
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 2: explanation so much as a validation of sorts or something

625
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: so seventh grade, Like if I showed you a picture

626
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: of myself from seventh grade, you would be like who like,

627
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: where's Kirsten in that picture? Because I was so covered

628
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: with life and stuff like that. So flash forward to,

629
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: you know, we move out of Porterville, I go to

630
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: I put myself into therapy at fourteen, I start threatening

631
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: emancipation and stuff like that, just to try to create

632
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: space between me and my father, like all this, all

633
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 2: this stuff. Right. We once we moved to Orange County,

634
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: I decided I want to be an actor, but I

635
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: know I'm not going to be able to do it

636
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: for a living, right, blah blah blah. So I just

637
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: get a day job and I just do theater, you know, forever.

638
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: I get fancy day job, I get criminal minds, I

639
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 2: start being able to do things. At the same time.

640
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: She has a landline. I don't know why. It's raining,

641
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: and I'm embarrassed.

642
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: Earthquakes.

643
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: I'm embarrassed. I don't know what to do.

644
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: It's across, it's cross staring.

645
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, all right, all right. This is where

646
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: you radically self forgive yourself for things. Okay, here we are,

647
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: We're back. I got scared and then I just belched

648
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: because I got scared. That was a fear belch that

649
00:37:53,239 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: just happened. So so okay, so flashboard, you know here

650
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 2: we are. And so two years ago, now, yeah, two

651
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: years ago, I have this show that I wrote that

652
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: I've done multiple times in uh here in LA. I

653
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 2: took it to Alabama because I wanted to see if

654
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: it would I took it to Alabama after Trump became

655
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: president because it's all about how we create the world

656
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 2: outside of us through the world inside of us, and

657
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: I thought, will this resonate in a part of the

658
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 2: country that is different than here? And so I took

659
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: it all over these different places. And it's spooky. It's

660
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: kind of spooky. It's about my growing up, and it's

661
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: about negative self talk and how I kind of created,

662
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: how I was co creating, and about time happening at

663
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: the same time. It's about all these different things. And

664
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: speaking of spooky things, uh this spooky spooky writer Neil

665
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: gaman H actually said that this play, my play, is

666
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: his favorite one person show. So it's it's just that spooky.

667
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: And I took it to Edinburgh and all this stuff.

668
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 2: So about two years ago, I thought, you know what,

669
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't it be cool if I took it to Porterville.

670
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: There's a theater there called the Barn Theater, and wouldn't

671
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: it be neat if I if I took it there?

672
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: So I asked a bunch of my friends. I was like,

673
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: I want to film this, and I hired like three

674
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: or four of my friends that didn't have a job

675
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 2: right then, but I knew we're good at certain things,

676
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: like Okay, that friend is really good at camera work,

677
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: and that guy really so we all got to you know,

678
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 2: we all caravaned to Porterville and I'm gonna do this

679
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 2: show mess and we're gonna do it the Barn Theater.

680
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: And the Barn Theater is legitimately an old barn that

681
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: has been there forever that they've just sort of added

682
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 2: things onto and made it into a theater, and it

683
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: has some notable people that have acted on it, including

684
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: me and Alice from the Brady Bunch.

685
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: What's her name? Amby Davis?

686
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: And By Davis is from Porterville, Oh my god, yeah

687
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, so and she did theater there and there's

688
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: so when I get there, it's really strange because when

689
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: I lived in Porterville, everybody kind of treated me like

690
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: I was invisible or they were gonna put me in

691
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: a trash can. And then you come there and you've

692
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: got this thing. You know, they've seen you on television.

693
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: They treat you totally differently and go into the lobby

694
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: with my you know friends, and people are taking me

695
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: across the room and like, oh, look, there's your dad.

696
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: They have a picture of my dad because my dad

697
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: was a an opera singer and stuff and did community

698
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: theater there. So there's a picture of my dad in

699
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 2: the lobby playing Nankey Pooh in the Mercado, which is

700
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: just as racist as you can imagine because it's a

701
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: white man trying to not look like a white man.

702
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: It's very disturbing. And at the time we were there,

703
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: if they were doing the musical Mulan and it was

704
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 2: very also disturbing. So like in Me and my Friends show,

705
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: we're like this band of weirdos, like in the in

706
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: the best way, but so we So we show up

707
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: and I'm doing the show. I'm gonna do it for

708
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: three days there. And it's so hot in Porterville, like

709
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: because it's the summertime. They have a swamp cooler on

710
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: the stage. It's so oppressively hot, and there is a

711
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: green room in the back and they said, oh, you

712
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: haven't been here in a long time, but you remember

713
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: the green room, and I had never really been. One time,

714
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 2: when I was in seventh grade, I was in You're

715
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: a Good Man, Charlie Brown, and I was the girl

716
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: with the naturally curly hair, and i'd been there for

717
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: a second. But I don't totally remember, but apparently I

718
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: could be. It sounds so bizarre, but I think that

719
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: this is true. There was a restaurant in Porterville that

720
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: was like old, old, old restaurant, and they moved it.

721
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: They picked it up, and they drove it to the

722
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 2: Barn Theater and they attached it to the Barn Theater

723
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: and that became the Barn Theater Green Room. And so

724
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: it's like a it's like a building. It's not a

725
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: big building. It's a room attached to the rest of

726
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 2: the theater. It's kind of hard to explain unless you

727
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: we're actually there seeing it. But so we're doing the show,

728
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: but everybody, we always go into this room all the

729
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: time because it's so hot while we're there. Like I said,

730
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: it was a couple of years ago, it's freezing cold

731
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 2: in this room. This room is never not freezing cold.

732
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: It's like the air conditioner only works in this one place,

733
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: and it works so good in there that you almost

734
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: want to put on a sweater. And so we're there

735
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: one night and I'm showing my friends like, this is

736
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: where I'm from, and we go get a hamburger and

737
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: while we're I get a vegetarian hamburger, and while we're

738
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: eating it, the guy who works there goes, hey, I

739
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: heard you lived over there by any you know, Mountain View.

740
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: And I was like yeah, and he's like, whoa, you

741
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: grew up rough And I felt so validated. And so

742
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: the last day we're there, my friend Stacy, who's stage

743
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: managing it, is there, and my friend Derett who's doing

744
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: the camera, and my other friend Steven, who's running the

745
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: other camera. And I'm doing two shows that day, so

746
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: I've already done one and I love taking like a

747
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 2: ten minute nap. I'm like, I'm amazing at these. It's

748
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: like a robot power down and I'm out. So I'm

749
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: sitting in this lazy boy in this green room looks

750
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: exactly like every community theater green room you've ever seen.

751
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: And I've done a lot of theater in community, but

752
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's got like three random chairs.

753
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: Each one has a story, you know, from someone's house,

754
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 2: and then they've tried to you know, they have they've

755
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: succeeded in making like a kind of like a dressing

756
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: room table with the you know, the Marquee lights around it.

757
00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: And and I am going to take a nap. And

758
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: there's a light switch to this room and it's really tricky,

759
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: and it's tricky you got to figure out how to

760
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: turn it off because you got to push it in

761
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: and turn it off. And we we turn it off

762
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: when we do the show. So I've turned it on

763
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: and off a couple of times, you know, since I've

764
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: been there. And we're only there for a few days.

765
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: So I'm taking my little ten minute nap and I'm

766
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: kind of laying there and everybody's kind of wandering around

767
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: getting ready for the show. And I'm going to take

768
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: a nap, and I pull up the thing. Oh in

769
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 2: the night before, I was gonna say this. The night before,

770
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: the people who were running the theater. We all go

771
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: walking around and we walk by the Zalad House. And

772
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: when we walk by the Szalad House, which is that

773
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: old house I used to look out and I was

774
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: a kid, and it's completely pitch dark, and the girl says,

775
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: she's like, you don't even want to look in the

776
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: windows at night because it's so haunted. I was like really,

777
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 2: and she's like the whole town is haunted. It was

778
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: like it is hot, like so like, yeah, huh. And

779
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: then when we were at the theater, I had also

780
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: forgotten this to tell you, it said, and I did

781
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 2: not witness this, but one of the women who worked

782
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: there had said, Oh, I can't tell you more than once.

783
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: People will come to me after intermission and say there

784
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: is someone behind me and they're moving around and they're

785
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: doing all this stuff. And she's like, and there's no

786
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: one there. And it's always in the same parts of

787
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: the theater. And she had mentioned that too, and I

788
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 2: was like, huh. And the back of this, the backstage

789
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: of the Barn theater is so cavernous. It's an old barn.

790
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: It's huge. I don't know how to again explain it

791
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 2: unless you were there. And I before shows, I would

792
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: wander around. I only did like four shows, but I

793
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 2: would wander around and be like, if there's a ghost

794
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: back here, I'm totally cool, but could you just be

795
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 2: cool with me? Like I am trying to be very respectful,

796
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: and I brought all my bells and whistles. I was

797
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 2: like Polo santoing that bitch.

798
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: I was like, oh so you are, Oh yes.

799
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: My friend girl. I was like ringing bells. I was

800
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: like the whole that part of the haunted mansion with

801
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: the tambourine and shit. I was like that, but like,

802
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: but like the op maybe my version of the ghosts

803
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 2: how to not get the ghosts to come in. But

804
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: I was like, I just want it if there's something,

805
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 2: because it felt very heavy with memory. But Porterville feels

806
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: like that to me because I have a lot of

807
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: heavy memories. It's almost like I wouldn't be surprised if

808
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 2: past versions of Kirsten would show up in places to

809
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: haunt me for being a dick to them at that

810
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: time or something like. I wouldn't be surprised. So I'm

811
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 2: I'm taking this.

812
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: Like a movie, going back to your hometown. PS. As

813
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: you're telling the story, I'm I'm looking at Porterville, Porterville

814
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: barntheater dot com.

815
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there it is. See I'm not making it up.

816
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: So so I go to take I go to take

817
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: my nap, and I can hear everyone, and you know,

818
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: it's this really. I love it when you just tell

819
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: a story and you can feel it go full circle.

820
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,959
Speaker 2: Because when I was a little girl, like I said,

821
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: I couldn't sleep. I didn't sleep until I like through

822
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: the night, until I was seventeen and I moved in

823
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: to my friend James's house and slept at his house.

824
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: That's when I started to actually sleep through a night,

825
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: and even then with night hairrors. And by this time

826
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: two years ago, I was at a place in my

827
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 2: life where I can sleep, like I feel relatively safe

828
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: enough and I was all And by the way, I

829
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: don't want anyone to think this is just a side note.

830
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to who's listening to this to

831
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 2: be like, oh, Keirrison's had it. So if you're thinking this,

832
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 2: Kiston's had it so bad, I didn't have it that bad.

833
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: And I feel like crap too. You don't know how

834
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: bad I did or didn't have it, and you know,

835
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: I just have it. I have a very sensitive system,

836
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: and you know, we all have our bag of rocks

837
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: and things happened to us, and I am always very

838
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: sensitive about like saying stuff because I don't want anyone

839
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: to ever think that, like just because something just because

840
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: someone's had like trauma, it doesn't mean that like we

841
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: should like everybody has it, like, don't specialize it. Am

842
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: I making sense?

843
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? Totally. And I don't think it's helpful to compare

844
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: like people's experiences.

845
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: Because the prom qing will cry if she does not

846
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: get the pony, she will cry, and her and her

847
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: tears are just as important as everybody else's. I know,

848
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: we want to believe that, you know, the other tears

849
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: are more valuable or something like that, but they're not.

850
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: Like you can you know, there's all there's there's room

851
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: for all the experiences, and all the experiences can be

852
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: alchemized into beautiful things. So anyway, here I am laying

853
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: on this thing like we're reveling in this beauty of

854
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: like oh my gosh, I'm laying on this on this

855
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: chair in this place that used to scare me, and

856
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: everybody's okay, and like look at me, Like I got

857
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: to come back here and make some theater. Like my

858
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: friends are here and I can hear my friends moving around.

859
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: Everybody's kind of getting ready, and and there was like

860
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: gonna be like a lunch break or something, so they

861
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: were all kind of like heading out, and I hear

862
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: I know that there's three people in the room. So

863
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 2: I hear one person leave, and I hear and then

864
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: I hear Darret talking, and I hear Darett leave, and

865
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: then I hear it and then it's silent, and so

866
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: I'm just in the room by myself, and about two

867
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: minutes goes by, and I'm like all cuddled up. I'm

868
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 2: very aware. I can hear the air conditioner. It's cold.

869
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: I was awake, I was wide awake for this. My

870
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: eyes were closed, but I was wide awake and knew

871
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: who was in the room and who was not in

872
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: the room, and understand I understand passage of time and

873
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: all of that. So that's why this is like so

874
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: clearly real. I remember being like the lights on, and

875
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: I've kind of moving my head around and try to

876
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: take my hair and put my hair over my eye

877
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: and create a hair face mask. And so I'm kind

878
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: of getting snuggled up on the couch and I'm making

879
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: this move and as I make this move, I hear

880
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: the switch do that little weird like clicky thing that

881
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: you have to do to make it turn off, and

882
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: then the lights turn off. Stacy the stage manager came

883
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 2: in and turned the lights off, and I thought that

884
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 2: was super great because, you know, me as the performing

885
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: artist who had actually p the fucks the show right

886
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: before that. In the afternoon, got heat stroke and had

887
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: to go to the emergency room, which I used to

888
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: do almost every summer in Porterville. Is get heat stroke

889
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 2: just for standing and not emergency room, like you know,

890
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: like you know, we have to go to urgent care.

891
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: Urgent care. So I had to go get urgent care

892
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: and get like gator aide and take advil. So I

893
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 2: was tired, you know whatever. So I'm all bundled up,

894
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: taking my little nap, and you know, my little period

895
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: of time goes by, and I opened my eyes and

896
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: I the lights were off, and I, you know, go

897
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 2: back over do the little difficult, you know thing that

898
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 2: I've kind of figured out to turn the light back on.

899
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: And now I'm getting ready. I have about forty five

900
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 2: moments for the show. I'm getting ready and whatever I

901
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: see Stacy, I'm like, I saw what you did there,

902
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 2: Thanks for turning off the light. And she goes, huh,

903
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 2: And I said, you turn the light off in the

904
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: in the thing? She said into the line, No, you

905
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: did because Darren and Stephen left and you must have

906
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: come back in a couple of minutes after, because no,

907
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: I haven't been in there. No you no, you turn

908
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: the light off. She's like no, because I went in

909
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: my car and she had like a whole thing. So

910
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 2: now I'm like, no, you no, because and it was

911
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: so obvious that there was no one in the room

912
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: with me and that the lights had turned off that

913
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: like it was it was impossible. It was like impossible.

914
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: So then I'm going around to everybody, like, Darren, you

915
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 2: came back in. What are you talking about? You came

916
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: back into the room just now you came back in.

917
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: I took a nap and you turned the light off? No, Steven,

918
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: did you going around to everybody, and then I tell

919
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: the woman in the lobby, I'm like, did anybody go

920
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: back there? And they're like no, we've made sure no

921
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 2: one's gone back there, blah blah blah, because then they

922
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: thought that I was being like Prima Donna actress, like

923
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 2: does somebody? I was like, no, it's just the light

924
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 2: turned off. And then when I said the light turned off,

925
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: They're like, oh yeah.

926
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: Just like were they like, that's the light turn off? Ghosts.

927
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 2: They were just they were just very like not surprised

928
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: at all. And there's no way it was silent like

929
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 2: there was I can't you know that you allowed a

930
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 2: backstage the theater is like you hear when people are

931
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: walking around like it's not so so it was. And

932
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: it's one of those things where like if I tell

933
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: you it's so simple and you can go like, well, no,

934
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 2: well I was there and it's not that simple, Like

935
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 2: you be me and be there and be like it

936
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: it's important that there's the light turned itself off. I

937
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: don't know how it happened, but you're talking to the

938
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: girl who had been walking around for two days, going okay,

939
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: if you're a ghost, you can come, but be participate,

940
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: like be cool, like yeah. And then when that happened,

941
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 2: for you know, once I realized like, oh that really happened.

942
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: And I don't again, I don't care if it happened

943
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: because a very strong wind that was just happening in

944
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: the area where that light switch was pushed the light

945
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: switched down. I don't care. That's not what happened. But

946
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 2: I what I love is that I was conscious of, Okay,

947
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: whatever's here that I can feel you can be here,

948
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: just participate with us and don't scare me, because I

949
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: don't want to be scared. And I do feel like

950
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: that is something if you, even if you think you

951
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: believe in stuff like this, like I do think it's

952
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: important to like communicate and be like, please, don't be

953
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 2: a dick to me, like because sometimes when you're when

954
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: you're translating through just your consciousness, you think you're saying

955
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: I'm afraid, I'm afraid, I'm afraid of but like I

956
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: think that maybe they're picking up I'm like, oh you

957
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: want to be afraid? Oh watch this?

958
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely.

959
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,760
Speaker 2: I didn't want that. And I remember doing the show

960
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: that that night, and the show is all about like

961
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: sort of the unseen and all this different stuff, and

962
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: I really felt that energy, you know, and it was

963
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: a great show. And it really boils down to like

964
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: all I know is I know my internal experience, and

965
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: I know the experience that the audience had that night

966
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 2: with that particular show and the you know, so what

967
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 2: if I was in concert with all that stuff, because

968
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: that really was what happened. Like if you put me

969
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: on a polygraph test and it doesn't again, it doesn't

970
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: sound like much like the light turned off. But it

971
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 2: was a big deal to me. That's about as strong

972
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: of a ghost story as I can I can do.

973
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: And I feel like I I transmuted the ghost experience

974
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 2: I had as a child into one where I sort

975
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 2: of reflected back to it how I wanted to be treated. See,

976
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: you have to tell ghost how you demand to be treated,

977
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: not just humans.

978
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: I believe in that too, absolutely and verbally. I think

979
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 1: about constantly, because we talk about haunted theaters and stuff

980
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: on the show often, and I always think about, like

981
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: if I was to have one of these experiences and

982
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: then go on stage, my brain would be so distracted

983
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 1: or whatever.

984
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 2: But I mean, oh, I was so lit up with

985
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: because because as an artist, any artist, and when I

986
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: say artists, I mean someone who makes soup, I don't care.

987
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: We are an empty. Job is to be as empty

988
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 2: on the inside, I think, as possible, and to let

989
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: whatever is going to feel, whatever needs to speak, speak

990
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 2: through us. And so that's what I mean. And I've

991
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: been in so many old theaters now, like I do

992
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: these things called selected shorts where we get to travel

993
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 2: all over the country and read short stories. So I've

994
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: been to old theaters all over the country and you

995
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: can feel it and it is you know, I mean,

996
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 2: that's where I'm gonna haunt. For fuck's sake, if I'm

997
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to all the theaters.

998
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, all of them, well and soundstages. I mean

999
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: really a lot of places that, oh yeah, are I

1000
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 1: was Actually I'm on Weirdfresno dot com and they're talking

1001
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: about the where I get most of my news. They're

1002
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: talking about the Barn Theater here. It was founded in

1003
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: nineteen forty eight. Nineteen fifty two, a new edition was

1004
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: at it. Okay, I'm just not that's.

1005
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 2: The new edition. Is the one in nineteen fifty two.

1006
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure.

1007
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: I know. This is all very not that I'm trying

1008
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: to fact check you, but this is your No, but

1009
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: you should.

1010
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: You should.

1011
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: The theater has had many an actor come through its

1012
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 1: doors over the years, including Anne B. Davis. It seems

1013
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: that not all have left, as several strange occurrents have

1014
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: been reported throughout the years. People have reported feeling an

1015
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: audience in the room even though the theater was empty.

1016
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 1: It's very similar to what you just said.

1017
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: No, I know, I know. And my assistant actually she's

1018
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: very like very aware of energy and stuff like that.

1019
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: And she had mentioned after the woman said it, and

1020
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: she was like, can definitely feel it, and it's one

1021
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 2: of those things of like, you know people who are

1022
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 2: sensitive to energy, and I'm one of those people. You know,

1023
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: I do the same thing with myself. When she was

1024
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: like I can definitely feel it, my brain's oh, sure

1025
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: you can, and but I do the same thing to myself,

1026
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: Like I do that too, so I get it. But no,

1027
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: you definitely can.

1028
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: It says according to the Porterville Ghost Society, which I

1029
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: guess there is. It says because it's a hunting, sounds

1030
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: like they have a lot of places to ghost hunt.

1031
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: There's Others have reported hearing clapping and laughter, as well

1032
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: as seeing shadowy fake yours. Well, we have a new

1033
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: story we can add to Weird fresnoe dot com.

1034
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 2: I should write them, Huh, I didn't. I didn't think

1035
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: about it.

1036
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is amazing. Well, it also says on here

1037
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: an evil gnome like creature terrorizes a farmhouse in Porterville.

1038
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: What okay, Now, I was.

1039
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: A kid, you know, when I was a kid. Okay,

1040
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 2: uh uh, there was a girl I knew and she

1041
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 2: lived in you know, it's again, it's a very it's

1042
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 2: economically very repressed and always has been there, so there's

1043
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 2: a lot of like sorrow and stuff that. There was

1044
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: this old slaughterhouse and I remember one time we went

1045
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 2: into it and it was just as terrible. And I

1046
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: mean old slaughterhouse is just like this big barn with

1047
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: like slats so the you know, the sun is coming through.

1048
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 2: And it had one old refrigerator in it and if

1049
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: you opened it there was just a giant cow's head

1050
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: that was decaying and oh god, ever, and you know

1051
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 2: that's when you haunt yourself. That's just self haunting.

1052
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: Well, can I play some ghost voices for you? Sure? Okay,

1053
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: it's time for EVP or ev Pase have you ever

1054
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: heard the term EVP?

1055
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: EVP like an evil very important person.

1056
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:38,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like an MVP but for villains. Yeah, electronic

1057
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: voice phenomena. So it's like when ghost hunters like the

1058
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: Porterville Ghost Society shout out. It's when they capture an

1059
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: audio recording of what they believe to be a ghost.

1060
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: So what I do is I go to YouTube and

1061
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: I find EVPs and I have my guests listen to that,

1062
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: and then you you could tell me what you hear

1063
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: if you hear anything, and then I'll give you some options,

1064
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: and one of them is going to be what they

1065
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: believe it said.

1066
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, I'm scared. I'm scared. Okay, go ahead.

1067
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: God. So I went to Pasadena, and now I don't

1068
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: know why I was drawn to Pasadena. I guess I

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Speaker 1: for some reason was thinking that you were from Pasadena.

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Speaker 2: I was born in Pasadena.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, yes you did say that. But for some reason,

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Speaker 1: I was like, we're going to do Pasadena today. And

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Speaker 1: I found this great YouTube channel that's just called Pasadena

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Speaker 1: Paranormal and they have which now I resist saying like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a super haunted place because I feel like, like

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Speaker 1: mostly old old.

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Speaker 2: Town and it's got so much beauty in history.

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Speaker 1: Oh Pasadena is so haunted though. Yes, so this didn't

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Speaker 1: really say where. It seems like it's this is an

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Speaker 1: investigation they did in the house of some sort. But

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Speaker 1: tell me what you hear this ghost saying Okay, this

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Speaker 1: has been edited so it sounds a little robotic, but

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Speaker 1: tune in here see if you can hear anything.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it sounds like he's saying get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great gas. So we played again, totally

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Speaker 1: get out of here.

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Speaker 2: Or there's no one here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Something here?

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Speaker 1: Well, I have some options. Okay, is it a do

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Speaker 1: you want to beer? B? What do you fear? Ce

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Speaker 1: come up here? Or d are you queer? I'll play

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Speaker 1: it again.

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Speaker 2: Can you play it again?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay. I feel like a human would want him to

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Speaker 2: be saying what do you fear? But I really think

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Speaker 2: that he's saying do you want a beer?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, to me, that's what it sounds like,

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Speaker 1: do you wanna beer? They believe it's come up here?

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Speaker 1: But I also hear here as well. Wait, let me

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Speaker 1: play it again. I hear get out of here or

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Speaker 1: do you want a beer? But either way, come up here,

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Speaker 1: come up here? That works, Yeah, I'll give it to them. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here's one more. This is from the same channel. Also

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Speaker 1: not sure where, but someplace in Pasadena. This goes to

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01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: saying this. It's it's like two different sentences. Here we go.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely a different sounding voice.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Oh my gosh, I can't even get that.

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Speaker 1: I know it sounds it's a little hard. I can

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Speaker 1: give you some options, Okay, give me. Is it a

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Speaker 1: sachet away girlfriend, b stay away, go back? See step aside,

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Speaker 1: I'm mad? Or d you stained my dress? You're dead?

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Speaker 2: I get played again. I wanted to be sashe away girlfriend,

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 2: but they would have to have I kicked it early.

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Speaker 1: Sashay away girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: Played again.

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Speaker 1: I truly hear do you stain my dress? You're dead?

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Speaker 2: Now? I can't hear it because the landline, because the

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Speaker 2: ghost landline. I'm just gonna say that I have a

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Speaker 2: ghost and it rings my phone. It is true because

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Speaker 2: usually when I pick up the phone, no one's there.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, God, I miss landlines. I was just watching

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Speaker 1: Colombo last night and they had a landline and it

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Speaker 1: made me so, what is it? Okay, they believe it

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Speaker 1: saying stay away, go back. Okay, now that we know that,

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Speaker 1: let's hear it. I hear that.

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Speaker 2: Oh I did hear that? Yeah, stay away, go back.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's do one more thing real quickly.

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Speaker 2: You can't hey, just if go If there are any

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Speaker 2: ghosts listening to this podcast, can we just ask you

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Speaker 2: from now on just get real close to whatever recording

1133
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: device exactly we want to know and a nonca do

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Speaker 2: some red leather, yellow leather or unique new York exactly.

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Speaker 1: That will help us all projection, all of it.

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Speaker 2: Paraormal mumble mouth isn't helping.

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Speaker 1: Anyone paranormal mumble mouth. Yeah, it is, just that's we

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Speaker 1: gotta do something with that. You've given me. You've given

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Speaker 1: me a lot to think about. I so appreciate you

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Speaker 1: doing this and taking your time. I think it's I

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Speaker 1: think that's about it. I think I think we should

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Speaker 1: end it here. You've been so generous with your time,

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01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: and honestly, I think that we could make this a

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Speaker 1: two parter because we talked about there's it's just it's

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Speaker 1: dense with wisdom, and.

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Speaker 2: Part of me, part of me was like, Okay, as

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Speaker 2: I'm telling my ghost story, I'm like, is this ghost

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Speaker 2: story stupid? I'm like, but it's mine. It's happened to me,

1149
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: so it's it's just what happened. So I'm just reporting

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Speaker 2: the facts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I love this ghost story. Well, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell people you know, like where to find

1153
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: you your videos? I love?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I am I am on Instagram. I am

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Speaker 2: Kirsten vangsnis. It's the one with the blue check by

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Speaker 2: it and the one that's spelled just as Strangely as

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Speaker 2: you'd imagine and uh. And then on Twitter, I'm at

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Speaker 2: vangsnas and I have a website which is kirstenfangss dot

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Speaker 2: com and I do a show on YouTube called Kirsten's

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Speaker 2: Agenda and that's where you can find me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Kirsten. She's just so cool. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I love that. That was a fun conversation. And if

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01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: you want to hear a little bit more, coud a

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01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: Patreon dot com, slash Roz dressful us on my second

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01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: tier to hear Kirsten's thoughts on various paranormal topics in

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Speaker 1: rapid Fire. And you can also see on my first

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Speaker 1: tier my video of me talking about eBay dolls that

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Speaker 1: are allegedly haunted. As always, you can find me on

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Speaker 1: Cameo Cameo dot com, slash rosdress Vales. I am on

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01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: Instagram at roz Hernandez. Please give this show five stars

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01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts, and I would love to hear your

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01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: ghost stories either in a review a five star review

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01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts. You could also just leave a nice

1174
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: review or not say anything. Just give us five stars.

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01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Sure, why not? Also, if you want

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01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: to be on a listener episode, send me an email

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Speaker 1: at ghosted by Raz at gmail dot com and you

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01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: can put Indie subject line, listener episode and give me

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01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: a couple of little details about the kinds of ghost

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01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: stories that you might want to tell and we can

1181
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: maybe work something out. You also have a Facebook group

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01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: called Ghosted by Roz Dresfales. I have merged that you

1183
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: can find in the link in my Instagram bio, and

1184
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: please be subscribed to this show because I will be

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01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: back here next week with one of my favorite TV

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01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: psychics slash occult experts. I have got Michelle Belange, who

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Speaker 1: is so fucking rad. We had a great now that

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01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: conversation will be a two parter there. We talked for

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Speaker 1: a minute and it was so cool and Michelle. If

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Speaker 1: you don't know Michelle, you can see her on Portals

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01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: to Hell, one of my favorites on Travel Channel and

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01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: Discovery Plus. And also you could see Michelle on Paranormal Stage.

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01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: She's done. She's an a handful of paranormal TV shows,

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01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: but just a wealth of knowledge and we talk about

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01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: demons and psychic abilities and all kinds of things. So

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Speaker 1: tune in for that next week and the week after that.

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Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

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Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.

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