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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did. My name is Millie de Cherico.

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Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Henderson, and.

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Speaker 1: We're back with you again to talk about films and

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Speaker 1: other things. Danielle, that's not much.

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Speaker 2: I made a really good dinner for myself last night.

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Speaker 2: You know what's weird and I like it. But I

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Speaker 2: also don't like it is that I'm an excellent cook

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Speaker 2: and nobody will ever know because I only ever cook

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Speaker 2: for myself.

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Speaker 1: I think about that all the time with literally everything

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Speaker 1: in my life.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm the only one that knows that I can

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Speaker 2: make salmon Berger's with a side of Brussels sprouts and

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Speaker 2: a honey Balsama vinegart glaze.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think about that too, IM Like, look

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Speaker 1: at all the great books I have, look at all

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Speaker 1: the great movies I have, look at my lifestyle, at

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Speaker 1: all my things. I'm like, no, no, no one will

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Speaker 1: look at them. Because I live alone. I can't prove

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Speaker 1: anything to anybody. So I totally understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, nobody will ever know how rad I am.

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Speaker 2: I think it's time to play another round of serial

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Speaker 2: killer or self care.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I was waiting for this day four.

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Speaker 1: This is the last time we did this game, So

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Speaker 1: remember the rules if you're a first time listener, or

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Speaker 1: if you don't remember the rules. Millie has to guess

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Speaker 1: what my answers would be.

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Speaker 2: And if this is whatever I'm going to present to

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Speaker 2: her is a serial killer move or an act of self.

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Speaker 1: Care, that's right, And I'm again I am embodying your psyche.

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Speaker 1: So this is me.

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Speaker 2: Trying to figure out what you would say exactly. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's a very selfish game.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I get it wrong, which makes me feel

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Speaker 1: like a bad friend like I got one night last time.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're not wrong. It's hard. It's a hard game

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Speaker 2: to play, and it's interesting for that reason because you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I think I know her enough to think that she

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Speaker 2: would answer this way, and then I surprise you, and

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Speaker 2: then we learn more about each other.

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Speaker 1: But see, here's the thing is that I last time,

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Speaker 1: it was very clear that you were gonna say serial

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Speaker 1: killer for every single one except one, and then and

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Speaker 1: then the one that I thought you were gonna say

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Speaker 1: serial killer, it actually wasn't. It wasn't that answer.

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Speaker 2: So but again that was the hard question. That was

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Speaker 2: the animal one. That's right, that's a hard question owing

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Speaker 2: more than ten pets, like what normal person would say

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Speaker 2: self care.

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Speaker 1: That was probably the funniest one, by the way, when

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about it later, I was like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is hilarious that that that is something that she

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Speaker 1: thinks is self care exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's fun. So don't worry about it if you get

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Speaker 2: something wrong, because I am an unhinged person, so it's

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Speaker 2: kind of like you're trying to get into the mind

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Speaker 2: of someone who just ain't right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well no, let's let's go oh, because I'm i

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Speaker 1: gotta write myself all.

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm gonna give you the first one, serial killer

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Speaker 2: or self care watching five hours of Intervention in one sitting.

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Speaker 1: Uh self care one.

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Speaker 2: I knew it. Yes, you're learning things about the world,

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Speaker 2: you're learning things about people you're in it. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The only reason why I knew that is because you

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Speaker 1: had mentioned at a certain point. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: this was during a normal feed episode or it was

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Speaker 1: a bonus that you were watching Intervention a lot because

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Speaker 1: you were writing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was doing some research for an idea that

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Speaker 2: I had for a novel, okay, and so I was

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Speaker 2: watching a lot of intervention, and at one point I

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Speaker 2: did watch more than five hours in one sitting, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, what's wrong with me? But this

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Speaker 2: also felt like a nice afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's so I mean, I guess maybe I

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Speaker 2: So well, I feel like you'll know this one too.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, next second.

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Speaker 2: Question, serial killer or self care. They're like, there are

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Speaker 2: also more questions this time, so you have more chances

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Speaker 2: to get them right. Oh okay, second question, watching five

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Speaker 1: M mmm serial killer?

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Speaker 2: Yep, yes, yes, yes, because you're just watching women yell

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Speaker 2: at each other for five hours straight. Like that's not

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Speaker 2: good for you. That's a serial killer move. And I

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Speaker 2: know that ninety percent of our listeners do it, and

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry to tell you that's what I think.

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Speaker 1: Look, I feel very similarly. I don't actually watch The Housewives,

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Speaker 1: but I watch vander Pump and I've watched so like,

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Speaker 1: there have been days where I've watched so many vander

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Speaker 1: Pump episodes in a row that I've felt like I

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Speaker 1: this is so psychotic. I can't believe I'm doing this

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Speaker 1: so exactly. You got your two for two? Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: you're two or two? Extremely excited that I've gotten too right?

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Speaker 2: All right, read the next one?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: Serial killer or self care.

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Speaker 1: Pilates, pilates? I want to say serial killer absolutely correct. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god, I can't be stopped.

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Speaker 2: Who the fuck says to themselves? You know what I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna do for exercise? Or I'm thinking more like the

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Speaker 2: inventor of pilates, right, and it's like I'm gonna put

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Speaker 2: these st legs and arms and all these straps and contraptions,

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Speaker 2: and like move you and manipulate your body and move

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Speaker 2: you around. That's fucking serial killer thinking that made its

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Speaker 2: way into exercise.

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Speaker 1: So the only time in my life that I did

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Speaker 1: pilates is when I lived in Los Angeles, California, and

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Speaker 1: I went to that pilates place in Hollywood that has

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Speaker 1: the logo looks like the comde Garson logo.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying the heart with the eyes, Yes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I mean, look, the risk of exercising in

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Speaker 1: la is that you will be a normal person amongst

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Speaker 1: the most beautiful fit people you've ever seen in your life.

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Speaker 1: And that was me at that fucking colates place, like

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Speaker 1: they put you on the what's the name of that thing?

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Speaker 1: Is it called the reductor or the re It's like

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Speaker 1: the pilate reformer reformer reformer, right, and it looks like

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Speaker 1: this medieval torture device. And you know, I'm sitting on there,

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Speaker 1: meanwhile there's like professional ballerinas that are, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: doing everything perfectly. And I was just like, I want

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Speaker 1: good at this one aa. Never I never got there.

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Speaker 1: And then I stop so because.

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Speaker 2: You again, like you look at it from the outside

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Speaker 2: in you just drop to earth. You've never seen a

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Speaker 2: pilates reformer and you see you're looking from looking at

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Speaker 2: the outside of this pilate studio. What does it look

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Speaker 2: like to you? It looks like torture devices.

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Speaker 1: There's a bunch of people just like pulling strings to

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Speaker 1: their death while things are moving on like a wooden thing.

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Speaker 1: It's it looks crazy.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to ever reenact the n sync,

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Speaker 2: no strings attached for my own bottle, and it could

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Speaker 2: be great for my body. I'm sure it is. I'm

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Speaker 2: not capping on you if you do pilates. I'm just

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Speaker 2: saying that from the outside end. Total serial killer situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there are less serial killer ways to exercise.

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Speaker 2: Could not agree more. I'm like, you're killing.

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Speaker 1: It, dude. I'm psyched.

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Speaker 2: Next three sext one is hard. This next one is hard,

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Speaker 2: But I have faith. I have faith. Okay, Question four,

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Speaker 2: serial killer or self care? Day hiking without a backpack,

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Speaker 2: but you have a water bottle hanging from your belt

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Speaker 2: loop by a carabineer.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I have to divorce what I would say about

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Speaker 1: this and just purely think of it in terms of

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Speaker 1: what you would say serial killer.

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Speaker 2: That's actually self care. Wow, Because I feel like if

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Speaker 2: you're able to just get yourself out of your house

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Speaker 2: or your car or whatever and just be like, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I'll be fine with a bottle of water,

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Speaker 2: that's really self sufficient. You have a lot of faith

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Speaker 2: in yourself to just like take a walk, take a

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Speaker 2: no backpack. You don't need to have like the kitchen

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Speaker 2: sink with you. It's impressive to me, and it's self care.

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Speaker 1: So are you saying that people who do carry a

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Speaker 1: day pack or serial killers?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm always thinking knives are in there always. It

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Speaker 2: could be insulin, it could be like necessary shit for that.

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Speaker 2: And I'm always like, hmm, you hike them with a backpack,

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Speaker 2: you gotta kill somebody. I've seen too many movies, I've

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Speaker 2: read too many news stories. He's backpack on a hike

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Speaker 2: equals murder. This is the most convoluted theory. Let me

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Speaker 2: let me try to unpack it a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So if you carry a day pack for a hike,

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Speaker 1: you're a serial killer because you just have too many

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Speaker 1: products on your person and because one.

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Speaker 2: Of those products is probably a knife or something, okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: to harm somebody.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So if you carry a day pack, you might

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Speaker 1: be strapped, is what you're saying. Whereas if you are

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Speaker 1: are beare but just a water bottle, you're fine? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: self care? What if you were carrying a knife, bat

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Speaker 1: Just because you're not carrying it in a backpack doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean you don't have it.

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Speaker 2: This is true, this is true, but I feel like

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Speaker 2: it's harder to access, Like a backpack makes it so

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Speaker 2: easy for you to pull out your weapon. You could

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Speaker 2: have a hammer in there, you have a fucking pick

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Speaker 1: Yo, I would carry a knife sometimes they do carry

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Speaker 1: a knife when I'm out hiking, though, What if you

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Speaker 1: get a fucking mountain lion in your face?

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Speaker 2: Like? Absolutely, and you should if you if you come

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Speaker 2: across p. Twenty three or whatever that thing was, you

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Speaker 2: gotta be ready, poor peak beloved Pete twenty three.

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Speaker 1: You are bringing this episode down to the fucking ocean floor.

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Speaker 1: If I'm on a hike and.

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Speaker 2: That come across a beloved mountain lion, I'm gonna stab it, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Well, to be completely honest, I mean, I think it

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Speaker 1: is unreasonable to think that a wild animal wouldn't act

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Speaker 1: wildly right, even if it was beloved. Do you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm say?

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Speaker 2: I agree? And also again in terms of the question,

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Speaker 2: I think you probably should be carrying a knife. But

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Speaker 2: in my mind's eye, if I see someone approaching me

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Speaker 2: with just a water bottle hanging on a belt loop

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Speaker 2: and their hand isn't like in their pocket or something,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, they're just out for a walk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I see you.

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Speaker 2: Coming up a mountain with like gear and you're not camping,

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Speaker 2: like there's no tent, You're just got like a bunch

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Speaker 2: of gear, I'm like, what the fuck are you planning

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Speaker 2: to do out here? This is supposed to just be

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Speaker 2: a walk and you got all this gear. I will

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Speaker 2: also accept a water bottle and a hiking stick, but

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Speaker 2: if you have a backpack of any kind, serial killer,

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Speaker 2: I'm super guilty of this.

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Speaker 1: This is why I'm trying to talk you out of it.

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Speaker 2: I look, this is a again. This is a no

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Speaker 1: Oh god, what does it say about me that I

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Speaker 1: actually loved running? Damn? You're just like straight up for

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Speaker 1: Because you could take your dog off leash there, and

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Speaker 2: Will And I think I think it's safe to say

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Speaker 1: Yes, Like the serial killers are the ones that are

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Speaker 1: The people that just want to walk with their dog

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, you see someone running towards you uphill

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think when people come to run in when

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Speaker 1: But people who just love to walk, they're dogs without

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Speaker 2: I think segregation is now what we're proposing. We are

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Speaker 1: Like Normy's over here, psychoes over here. In my world,

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Speaker 2: Sorry, thoughtful segregation, thought cho choose a lane, like, just

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Speaker 2: the way that you're like, you walk on the right,

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Speaker 1: Correct? Correct?

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Speaker 2: Who this is? This is revealing some bad ship about us,

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Speaker 2: But that's the joy of this game.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, how how often I disagree with you? But

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, we've done five questions and you've gotten two right.

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Speaker 1: Two right three right, no, three right three right?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, all right?

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Speaker 2: Serial killer or self care? A cis man wearing one

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what way? Wait? What is this?

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Speaker 1: What is an Irish clutter ring?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's like the ring with the heart

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Speaker 2: that is being held by hands.

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Speaker 1: No, I dann what you're talking about?

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Speaker 2: That? Okay, they were everywhere in my middle school growing

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Speaker 1: Okay, what is this? So this is a ring? What

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Speaker 2: Yeah? That's the one.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited that they get to be the one

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Speaker 2: to explain this because I don't know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: So I want everyone who's like, that's not what it

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Speaker 1: But it's opposed to indicate.

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Speaker 2: I believe in Irish culture that your heart is open

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Speaker 1: I have never seen or heard of this in my

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Speaker 2: What does the wiki say?

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Speaker 1: A traditional Irish ring in which a heart represents love,

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Speaker 1: the crown stands for loyalty in the two classed hands

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Speaker 1: symbolized friendship. Okay, I you're telling me that people in

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Speaker 2: What e Yeah, it was like a little cult of people,

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm looking at it. Here are the rules, according

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Speaker 1: On the right hand, with the point of the heart

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Speaker 1: somebody has captured their heart. See On the left ring

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Speaker 1: the finger tips, the wear is engaged. On the left

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Speaker 1: is married. Are you joking right now?

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Speaker 2: Ireland? Don't come for us. We love you. I love Ireland,

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Speaker 2: I love Irish people, I love Irish culture. This ring

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Speaker 2: is fucking insane.

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Speaker 1: So I'm thinking serial killer?

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Speaker 2: Then absolutely, I don't care what fucking hand you have

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Speaker 2: it on? If you're a CIS man wearing an Irish

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Speaker 2: you have killed that.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is a serial killer thing. If

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Speaker 2: How do you think I came up with that one?

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Speaker 1: I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: I was at the hard restore, my local hard restore,

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Speaker 2: which I'm at constantly, and I thought there's this guy

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Speaker 2: I was like, I can't girl, no run.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Now, I'm like, have I ever seen that ring

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Speaker 1: in the world? And I just didn't know what it was?

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Speaker 2: Probably are you joking?

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Speaker 1: I've never even heard of it. This is so deeply fair.

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Speaker 2: You're going to see it everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Now, you're gonna see it everywhere, okay? Are you? If you?

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Speaker 1: If you were a SIS hit man that has this ring,

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Speaker 1: please email us at I saw what you did potagmail

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Speaker 1: dot com because I am I just want to interview you.

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Speaker 2: We need the details, yes, and I don't want any

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Speaker 2: me feel bad, Yeah, I just feel bad. I just

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Speaker 2: need to know why.

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Speaker 1: You're wearing it.

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Speaker 2: Because the concept of the ring, and maybe it's because

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Speaker 2: I'm jaded and cynical, the concept of the ring has

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Speaker 2: always struck me as extremely fucked up since I was

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, now, I the minute we stop recording today,

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Speaker 1: I am gonna go like two hours on this ring.

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Speaker 1: That is so crazy.

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Speaker 2: This this beats the celebrity like the machine gun Kelly

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Speaker 2: Megan Fox engagement ring with the fucking spikes in it, Like,

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Speaker 2: it beats all of that shit to me.

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Speaker 1: To see assist heat Man wearing that ring, I have questions.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised for machine gun Kelly himself isn't wearing this ring.

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Speaker 2: He probably is Irish wrapped around his dick machine gun

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Speaker 2: Kelly with the can you say like he's a lebric

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Speaker 2: machine gun and Kelly, we are truly demolishing anyone who's

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Speaker 1: They are all turning off right now. No, they're like

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Speaker 2: They're the best. But we just have questions and we

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Speaker 2: a place of love and concern and care, but we

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Speaker 2: clatter ring wrapped around his fucking balls with a spike

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Speaker 2: pointing down to indicate that he's fucking engaged.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, especially made for his balls. How many

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Speaker 1: have I gotten? Right? And now I'm I'm completely derailed.

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Speaker 2: I think I think you're three for three. So you've

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Speaker 2: got intervention right, housewives, right, pilates, right, backpack, wrong, run

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Speaker 2: in canyon, wrong, cis man wearing the clatter ring right,

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Speaker 2: So you're fo.

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Speaker 1: I got running canyon correct? Oh I remember?

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Speaker 2: So sorry, So you only have one wrong.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty fucking good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna do another one. Okay, I've got a

440
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 2: lot more, but we'll do two more. Okay, Okay. Biohacking

441
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: like very specific diets, cold plunges, et cetera.

442
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say serial killer for you.

443
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah. My rain continues. I have never heard anyone

444
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: talk about biohacking that didn't sound like macho man, Randy Savage,

445
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 2: you gotta do a cold plunge, brother, And I'm like,

446
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 2: whoa back that all the way up?

447
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: Is there any biohacking thing that appeals to you at all?

448
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,479
Speaker 1: Or is it all just for serial killers?

449
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: It's for me, all for zero killers, because it's like,

450
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: why can't you just do a normal diet and exercise?

451
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: Why do you have to Why does everyone have anyone

452
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: who takes anything to unnecessary extremes. I don't get it.

453
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: I'll eat one meal a day, brother, Oh you know

454
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't like that shit.

455
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I'm glad you found something that works

456
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 2: for you, but what the fuck? Calmed the fuck down.

457
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. If you don't eat, we can't hang.

458
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 2: We can't hang. No, I just I can't, especially with

459
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 2: the cold plunges. I've been seeing way too much about.

460
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: Like I got a cold plunge pool and I'm like

461
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: why and they're like, we fill a fucking ic in water

462
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: and it's good for your arteries, it's good for you.

463
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 2: And I'm like, probably, but I'll never try it because

464
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: you're insane talking about it.

465
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: Look, I did a cold plunge swim for New Year's day. Once,

466
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: like a million years ago, my friend Vanessa and I

467
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: drove to the mountains and did this, like New Year's Day,

468
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: everybody jump in an ice cold river, swim out to

469
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: a boy what do you call a boy? Boe yeah,

470
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: booie cut that boy.

471
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 2: You swim out a flavor flav and you turn around.

472
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: No, you like jump into this ice cold lake, swim

473
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: out to like a touch point and then come back.

474
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: I was so fucking distraught by that, like twenty five

475
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: thirty second event. I thought like my entire body was

476
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: gonna go into shock and I would just die right

477
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: on the spot. So I don't understand people who are

478
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: just like doing that all willy nilly every day day,

479
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: every day.

480
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: And also if you're doing it and it benefits you

481
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: and whatever. Great part of it for me is calling

482
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: it biohacking. That's like hermin knowledge is just fucked.

483
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: That's who are you, like, Peter Teel, Why would the

484
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: fuck would you say that? Shit so gross? That's like

485
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: such a tech bro thing. Eugh, hacking my bones. I'm

486
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: hacking my bones, and my buddy, I'm hacking my bio.

487
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: I'm hacking my bio. That's disgusting. Okay, yes, absolutely fucking

488
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: serial killer.

489
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 2: Shit.

490
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: Thank I agree with you like one hundred percent on this.

491
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're killing it. You're killing it. I'm

492
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: gonna give you one more. Okay, serial killer or self care.

493
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,719
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna even I'm not even gonna look

494
00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: at you while I read this one.

495
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,479
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll look at you.

496
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: Then I'm tearing to my camera off. Camera is off

497
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 2: because I don't want you to be able to read

498
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 2: my expression at all. Okay, okay, serial killer or self care?

499
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 2: The rabbit vibrator.

500
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: A holy fucking shit, is it? I really have to

501
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: divorce myself in my opinion from this because I know

502
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: how I would fucking answer. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna

503
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: say serial killer.

504
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: Right, That's how I'm an answer to Yes, one hundred

505
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: percent correct, Who in their right fucking mind again to me,

506
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 2: this is the same person who came up with pilate.

507
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: Who's sitting in a room is like, all right, you

508
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: know what is gonna make people feel really good? Yes,

509
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: we have the dick. We have the dick part. Let's

510
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: also add rabbit ears and little rabbit face for the

511
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: clip part, and then add some beads behind it to

512
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: spin around and then it whole thing vibrates. Fucking serial killer.

513
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to yuck, you're yum. I'm just

514
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: saying from my perspective, to sit in a room and

515
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: think of that, it's a serial killer. Move.

516
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: Okay. This is the one thing that gen Z has

517
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: gotten right is that they change the design of vibrators.

518
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: Now they're like vibrators of like sculptural, beautiful vases. Absolutely,

519
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: But in our day they were horrifying, big pink dong

520
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: monstrosities with like again rabbit ears beads.

521
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 2: Like they were like it's like fucking Marti Gras, Like

522
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: Marty who yeah, oho thinks you're like, you know what

523
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 2: we really need to get people who want this vibrator.

524
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: We need to give them the feeling like they're in

525
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 2: a fucking carnival, yes, like a gravitron, Like why do

526
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: I need all? Like it's too much, it's too much.

527
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: It was the opposite of discreet, like all of these

528
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: like sex toys from like the nineties and like they

529
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: were just like absolutely like carnival adjacent, like crazy jelly shoes,

530
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, like like everything was like that pink like

531
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: these like neon jelly shoe colors scary and then they

532
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: put like Jenna Jamison on the package and you're just

533
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: like what the fuck? And now gen Z is like, no,

534
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: we don't like all that shit.

535
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: Like with gen Z is like I need to be

536
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: able to leave this on my coffee table when my

537
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: parents come to visit.

538
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like they come in colors like avocado, yeah,

539
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: not like hot pink and hot green with the rabbit.

540
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: Looks disgusting and terrifying, Like it doesn't even look like

541
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna have fun. God, that looks so complicated, and

542
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: like I.

543
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: Know that there was like that was it was a

544
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: huge deal when it came out. I think there was

545
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: like a Sex in the City episode about it, wasn't there. Yes,

546
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: I never owned one because I was seriously think that.

547
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: I was just like that thing is going to destroy

548
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: my body, Like that is so scary and weird. You're like,

549
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: you know what you need?

550
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: You need a vibrator that will cause you to also

551
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: need an episiotomy when you're done to this pez Like

552
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: what is happening? Who thinks of this shit? Like it's

553
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: someone whoever designed that never looked at the holes on

554
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: a human body.

555
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: Holy shit, I am thrilled that we have the same

556
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: answer to that. I was really afraid that you were

557
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: gonna like surprise me at the last minute. But I'm like,

558
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so glad we think the same thing.

559
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: I am also thrilled because I think we're we are

560
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: sex positive people. Yes, but you have to admit, even

561
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: as a sex positive person, that the rabbit vibrator is

562
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: a serial killer.

563
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: Move god. Wow, Yeah, it just looks like you would

564
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: just like cut up your insides so badly.

565
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: It's like the rabbit vibrator or that knife felt weird

566
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: thing from seven Oh God, like show me the like

567
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: they're both terrifying to me in the same way.

568
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like some terrible attachment on like a

569
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: food processor. It just looks crazy your.

570
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: Kitchen aid blender paddle mixer for the rabbit God bless.

571
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: Okay, I redeemed myself this one episode hundred Nobody knows

572
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: me like you know me, Millie, I mean, and the

573
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: hiking one was hard, yeah, because again, a normal person

574
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: would think a person hiking with just a water bottle, Yeah,

575
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: it's a serial killer.

576
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: I think I could take you.

577
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: Was that the only one I got wrong. See Cacy

578
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: needs to be taking the score. I have no idea

579
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: if I've won or lost. I feel like, compared to

580
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: the last time that I redew myself.

581
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: Okay again, you've got the first one right, intervention, Real

582
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: Housewives right, pilates right, day hiking wrong, Runyon right, the

583
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: clatter ring right, biohacking correct, and the vibrator correct. You

584
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: fucking crushed it, yes.

585
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: Yes, well once again, such a reveal into your fucking brain.

586
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: Oh more than I even want to reveal. I mean,

587
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: every time we do one of these, it's hilarious to me.

588
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: But I also remember, Oh, other people are gonna hear

589
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: this and think I'm a nightmare person.

590
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I truly believe in about too.

591
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: At least two or three of these as my iollent, Yeah, excellent,

592
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: you're good. It was a blast to play it again.

593
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing more to the table.

594
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: Always and I got a lot more. And I also

595
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: know that the Mountain Lion was p. Twenty two. I

596
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: think I said P. Twenty three, you don't have to

597
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: write in about that. I would still stab it if

598
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: it was alive. Then I came across it on a

599
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: fucking mountain path that I was hiking.

600
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: What if we just bleeped it out? Would that be mysterious?

601
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: If we bleeped out the name of the mountain lion,

602
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: ah out of respect for the dead resent pees King,

603
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: people would be like, why did they bleep out the

604
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: day with that mountain lion? Oh goody?

605
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: We don't know who owns the rights. We don't know

606
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: who owns the rights, who named it that? Who named

607
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: the p twenty two?

608
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh? Well, what now we have to do

609
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: an episode after that shit?

610
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: I know I can't believe it.

611
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: I can honestly play it all day, but I know

612
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: we have to move on to our theme this week.

613
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: We do, indeed, and our theme this week is drop

614
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: and give me twenty That's right. I think this is

615
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: another case of I wanted. I came up with the

616
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: actual theme, it was named terribly, and then you came

617
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: in and made it nice.

618
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: But tell tell the people what you were thinking about

619
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: the theme.

620
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: Okay. So I think the general vibe was that I

621
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about movies that feature the military, and

622
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: I my dad was in the military. He's retired, so

623
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: I grew up as a military brat as they say,

624
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: and I feel like it's just such a fascinating world.

625
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: And also when it comes to movies, it's kind of

626
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: this like good trojan horse to talk about like masculinity

627
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: and and order. So it's kind of this like it's

628
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: a way to kind of discuss themes that are just

629
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: really interesting I think to think about.

630
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 2: So I do too, And I think I was interested

631
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 2: in doing this because I feel the same way about

632
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: military movies that they're interesting to watch as someone who's

633
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: never been in the military to kind of see like, well,

634
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: what is that world about. I also have family members

635
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: who have been active military retired from the military. But

636
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: I want to say right off the top, and I

637
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 2: want you to hear me listeners, because it's important to me.

638
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: I am a pacifist. I don't believe in war, and

639
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: so when I watch these movies, I'm looking at it

640
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: from a completely different lens.

641
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

642
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: And I will also say that my film, between my

643
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: film and Platoon, that I watched when I was like

644
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: way too I watched when they came out. Yeah, so

645
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 2: I was way too young maybe watching these movies. This

646
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: My movie came out in nineteen eighty seven, and I

647
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 2: was like nine.

648
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: Years old like watching these movies.

649
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: And I think between that movie and Platoon, there was

650
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: no way I was getting out of my childhood having

651
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: any positive thoughts about the military. Yeah, despite the fact

652
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: that several of my family members are in the Army

653
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 2: and the Marines.

654
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh look, I mean it's it's very complicated because

655
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: as much as like my family, you know, was essentially

656
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: like ensconced in like military life. My sister and I'm

657
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: like even my father at times was like, uh, yeah,

658
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: I don't care, Like it's not you know, like it's

659
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: not like my dad ever sold me on the idea

660
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: of the military, right, And yeah, there are things about

661
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: his experience that I think are way different than than

662
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, maybe like even traditional stereotypes

663
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: of of why people joined the military. I mean, my

664
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: dad joined the military because he was poor and wanted

665
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: to go to college, and exactly that I think is

666
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: a different entry point than somebody who just was like

667
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: I just want to hold a gun and go out

668
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: and like do things.

669
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like completely well that's exactly

670
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: it with my family as well, is that I can't

671
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 2: talk about these you know, military movies or the military

672
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: in general without acknowledging that like the reason that a

673
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: lot of my family members joined the militaries for the

674
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: same reason, right, that they were poor and wanted to

675
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: have a viable life. Yeah, and that was the way

676
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 2: that was presented to them back in you know, the forties, fifties,

677
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: sixties and beyond as having that. And so I think that,

678
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: to me is more interesting to discuss is not to

679
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: vilify the individual people in the military, because we're not

680
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 2: going to be doing that. But I want to say

681
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: that a lot of my commentary about my film is

682
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: about what the military is, or like what that life is,

683
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: what's interesting to me about it, And I like that

684
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: we get to talk about challenging things together and kind

685
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: of like I just I don't know, I just kind

686
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: of wanted to dig into something that I don't know personally. Yeah,

687
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 2: and I've only experienced through film and through family stories.

688
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, my great uncle retired from the

689
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: military and bought a house and took care, you know,

690
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 2: raised the three kids, and then two of his kids

691
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: went into the military, and like my granddad was in

692
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: the military, like people just you know, it's a different

693
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: entry point, you know that I think is worth examining,

694
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: but or at least worth stating. And it's something that

695
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: I never I never considered it, but I was. I

696
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: don't know if I ever told you this, but.

697
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: The Army was trying to heavily recruit me when I

698
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: worked in the mall Whoa, when I was like twenty

699
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: and living in California. There was a recruitment office upstairs,

700
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: and they would come downstairs for coffee at like my

701
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: coffee place and be like, you're tall, and you're awesome

702
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: and smart, blah, you should be in the military.

703
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 2: And then they would have like the one woman who

704
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: was there come down. I'd be like, see she's in

705
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: It's great. And I was like, m m, yeah, ain't

706
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: for me, homie. But they would tried so hard to

707
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: just be like join us, and I was like, no, yeah.

708
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 2: And then now imagine that in high schools, Like there

709
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: are military recruiters in high schools right now doing that

710
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 2: to kids whose frontal lobes haven't even developed and they

711
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: don't know what their life could be, but they're already

712
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: getting the pressure of this is so easy. You can

713
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: just join us and your life will be set. So

714
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: I will never vilify the individual but I do think

715
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: it's worth looking at the structure of military.

716
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I actually think the structure of it has

717
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: changed in most recent years too. I mean I think

718
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: that when you take, like, for example, your film, which

719
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: is set during like the Vietnam era, when there was

720
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: still a draft, that has a totally different vibe than

721
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: what happens now, which is that it's primarily a volunteer thing, right.

722
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: And I know people who who have enlisted for different reasons.

723
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: I mean, some people definitely like want to be in

724
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: that world and like are ready to be in that world.

725
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: Some people join it to because it's a means to

726
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: it end. Some people like need the structure and like

727
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: it's so it's a I'm not again every it's an

728
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: individual choice to join something like the military. But I

729
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: think that there is a tradition of movies that have

730
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: talked about like this military experience, and I think that

731
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: it's like interesting because a lot of these movies are

732
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: about male ritual and obedience and all these things that

733
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: seem very fascinating to me. Yeah, as a person who

734
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: does not want to be told what to doever, I'm like,

735
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: what would it be like if somebody like fucking screamed

736
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: in my face the minute I woke up, Like, you know,

737
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: like it's just that concept. It's like, you know, what

738
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: the is the life that's so foreign to me even

739
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: though it was in my life, if that makes any sense.

740
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: Oh, completely, I worked. I worked in when I was

741
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: living in Alaska. I worked at a bookstore. Or the

742
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: guy who was in the army or no, he's an

743
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: Air Force And he was so fascinating to me because

744
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: he was kind of like the main character in my

745
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,959
Speaker 2: movie where you couldn't understand why he had joined because

746
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: he would like sit behind the counter and read Sadharta

747
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: and like read all these intense books and like hippie

748
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: things and like very thoughtful things, and I'm like, what

749
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: are you doing in the Air Force? Like it was

750
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: just and I never had the nerve to ask him

751
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: because it felt like such a rude question, but it

752
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: also never came up, like why, But it was fascinating, Like,

753
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: you work at a bookstore, You're absolutely a nerd, You're

754
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: a very thoughtful person. Yeah, how does that work in

755
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: conjunction conjunction with this aggressive, very structured male yelling in

756
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,479
Speaker 2: your face kind of like that you have.

757
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: Well and that's the thing is that a lot of

758
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: a lot of these movies, these military movies, everybody is

759
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: like Animal Mother from your film, Like everyone is just like,

760
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, wearing the bandoliers and just wanting to shoot gun.

761
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: So when you do see like a different character that's

762
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: maybe not as aggressive about the experience, You're like, uh huh,

763
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: that's interesting. But I feel like, yeah, so much of

764
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: what you know, I think a lot of people have

765
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: learned about the military is from movies, and I just thought,

766
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: let's just talk about it and see see what's up.

767
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't seen your film since I think

768
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: I was that age, and I don't even and it

769
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: all kind of like runs together, like I'm like, for

770
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: some reason, I'm like Platoon born on the fourth of July,

771
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, like.

772
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 2: Uh, there were so many military movies that came out

773
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 2: in like a two year span.

774
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: Well, and I think that has a lot to do

775
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: with the generation, right, because you're like, in the eighties

776
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: and early nineties, it was a lot of like boomers

777
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: who wanted to make movies about the Vietnam era. And

778
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, I think we were people

779
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: of our age were inundated with that kind of stuff,

780
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: So that makes sense totally.

781
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: Well, let's get into it. My movie was released in

782
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven, again when I was nine ten years old.

783
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: It was the screenplay is by Stanley Kubrick, Michael Hurt

784
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: and Gustav Hosford, and it was directed by Stanley Kubrick.

785
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: My movie is a full metal jacket.

786
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: Are those live rounds seven six two millimeter full metal jacket?

787
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: So I'll give it one one sentence synopsis. My one

788
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: sentence synopsis is that this is a movie that focuses

789
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: on the experience of one particular army member from recruitment

790
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: to engagement, just as a simple way, because it's a

791
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: very complicated movie. And I'll also say that we have

792
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: talked about Stanley Kubrick before on a couple of episodes,

793
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: so I'm not going to go too in depth into

794
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: him in this one. But you know, his style of

795
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: working controversial for some people. He's very a very intense director,

796
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: but he's also a very lauded director. And this movie

797
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: is actually based on a book called The Short Timers

798
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 2: by Gustave Hartford, and I'm what's interesting to me about

799
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: that is that he so he was Gustav Hartford released

800
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: his book in nineteen seventy nine, and it was the

801
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 2: semi autobiographical novel. And he was a Marine and it's

802
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: about his experience in the Vietnam War. He was a

803
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 2: combat correspondent with the Marines during the Tet Offensive of

804
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight, so he was a military journalist essentially.

805
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: And Michael David Hurr, who wrote this with him, also

806
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: released his own book. This movie is not based on it,

807
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: but he helped write this script. And he was an

808
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: American writer and war correspondent as well. And he wrote

809
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: a book in nineteen seventy seven called Dispatches, which is

810
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: a memoir of his time as a combat correspondent for

811
00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: Esquire during the Vietnam War. And that book The New

812
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: York Times book review called it like one of the

813
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: best books to have ever been written about the Vietnam War.

814
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 2: I did read it when I was younger, because again,

815
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: obsessed with the sixties and seventies, and I was obsessed

816
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: with this time of life and very interested in war

817
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: from a pacifistic perspective. And it is an excellent book

818
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: if you can get your hands on it, it's fantastic.

819
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: So what I like.

820
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 2: What I appreciate about Full Metal Jacket is that it tries.

821
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: I think it's a movie that kind of throws you

822
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: in and attempts to give the viewer the feeling of

823
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: being a recruit. So you don't know when the movie starts,

824
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: you don't know anything about this world, and now you're

825
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: being asked to not only do all these intense things,

826
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: but to do them right the first time. And it's

827
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: really intense. Like so you're watching them and get their

828
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: head shaved and like kind of get into their barracks,

829
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 2: and you know, it's this really strange feeling of these

830
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: people who are used to being individuals now being forced

831
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: to be kind of conformist. So you see that immediately

832
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: in the opening scene when they're lined up. And the

833
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: cast of this movie is incredible, but their sergeant is

834
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: r Lee Ermey. He plays Sergeant Hartman, and this is

835
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: a really defining role for him. I feel like he

836
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: had a long film career, but this is the one

837
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: that is very memorable. And he's just going down the line,

838
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,959
Speaker 2: like screaming orders at people and telling them what they're

839
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: in for. And this is also where he starts like

840
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: giving people nicknames and kind of like sizing people up,

841
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: like he's sizing all these guys up. And the cast

842
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 2: again incredible. So you've got Matthew Modine playing Private Joker JT. Joker,

843
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: Adam Baldwin plays animal Mother. Vincentinofrio plays this character called

844
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: Private Gomer Pyle. His real name is Leonard, but they

845
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: don't call him that. Dorian Harewood plays eight Ball. And

846
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: what a inching fact I found was that apparently Denzil

847
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: Washington wanted to be in this film but had to pass,

848
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: and he said it's one of his own regrets as

849
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 2: an actor that he passed on this role. But Dorian

850
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: Harewood did a fantastic job. Arles Howard plays Captain or

851
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: a private cowboy. They call him Cowboy and he's from Texas,

852
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: and it's just like you're kind of just getting a

853
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: feel for like who these guys are. And Arlee Ermey says,

854
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: some of the most insane things you're ever going to

855
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: hear and also some of the funniest things you're ever

856
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: going to hear. But it's a deeply offensive opening to

857
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: a film if you're at all sensitive. It's an offensive film.

858
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: I would say, if you were at all sensitive. Do

859
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: not watch this movie.

860
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: I do not watch it. Do not watch it. And

861
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: it's on several levels, but just in general, it's like

862
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: it doesn't age well, but it does explain a time

863
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: or mood in a mindset. More than anything for me,

864
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: it explains like the mindset of hyper masculinity at that

865
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: point in time. And he says at one point, while

866
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: he's screaming at these men, he's walking up and down

867
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: the aisles and they're all standing at the end of

868
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: their bunks, he says, if you survive recruit training, you

869
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 2: will be a weapon. You will be a minister of death,

870
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: praying for war. And that fucked me up when I

871
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: was a kid, and it fucks me up now, Like

872
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: to say that to.

873
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: A human being.

874
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: Is wild. Yeah, but he's already preparing them for like

875
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: we're going to turn you into a minister of death. Right,

876
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: It is insane. But then he also says things that

877
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: are kind of again like funny, Like he looks at

878
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: the Arlist Howard character and he's like, how tall are

879
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: you And he says he's five nine, And he's like,

880
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: I didn't know they stack shit that high. Like he

881
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: says to you know, the Vincentinofrio character Pyle, He's like, Oh,

882
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: if your parents have had any children that lived, I

883
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: bet they regret that. Like it's fucked up shit, Like

884
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: he's going for the jug And it's this cacophony of

885
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 2: like vitriol and homophobia and racism and just the horror

886
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 2: of hyper masculinity on full display. And you and.

887
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: I will say this because when I was watching it

888
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: this time, I mean, I haven't seen this since I

889
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: was a kid, so obviously I'm processing this movie in

890
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: a completely different way. You feel like you're in it

891
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: with these guys, Like you're like, I feel like shit

892
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: just as much as like these guys do. Oh yeah,

893
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,479
Speaker 1: because it's relentless. It goes on for a very long time.

894
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: It is relentless, and it does make you feel like

895
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: shit to even watch this happening to other people, And

896
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: imagine being in a room where not only are you

897
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: being screamed at, but everyone around you is being screamed at.

898
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't feel good as a human being. It

899
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like a natural reaction to want to just

900
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: let that go. Like I think a natural reaction is

901
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: to want to defend someone who's in a weaker position

902
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: than you and or for me anyway, that's a natural

903
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: reaction and it would be really hard to be in

904
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 2: that room and to know that, you know, this is

905
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: how we're all going to be treated. And while he's

906
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: giving out these kind of nicknames and sizing people up,

907
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: you know, like he calls the Matthew Dean character Joker

908
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: because as he's screaming, Matthew Odean makes a joke in

909
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 2: the voice of John Wayne, which he does throughout the

910
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: movie and kind of owns up to it, and then

911
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: the sergeant punches him in the stomach. Yeah, like, oh,

912
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: you want to make jokes, Well, here's what's going to

913
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 2: happen if you make jokes.

914
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just.

915
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: So fucking weird because you're watching this person who's like

916
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: trying to get their bearings in this surrounding by like

917
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: alleviating some of the pressure, and the sergeant is not

918
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: gonna let that happen. He's like, the pressure is the point.

919
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's trying to toughen you up or whatever. And

920
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: that when you when when Joker first kind of comes

921
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: out with that, like I was like, whoa dude, what

922
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: are you doing? What are you crazy? Like exactly you know,

923
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: but then but and then later you realize it's just

924
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: like part of his character. But at the moment, in

925
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: the moment, like I said, you're just so intensely like

926
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: in this world with these guys that you're like, dude,

927
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: are you on a suicide mission? Why are you like

928
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: making a joke right now? Like this guy is going

929
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: to murder you?

930
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: How do you think this would ever fly in any situation?

931
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: And I think that the beginning of the film, you know,

932
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: they're again, they're kind of submerging you in this life.

933
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: And you know, the sergeant tells them to sleep with

934
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: their rifles and pray, and they start praying to their

935
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 2: guns and they pray for the ability to shoot straight,

936
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: and it's just like good God, Like he's not giving

937
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: them any rest from this. He truly doesn't tend to

938
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: turn them into killing machines. And he's particularly harsh on Pyle,

939
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 2: like he's particularly harsh with the Vincentinofrio character. So Vincent

940
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: and Afrio something I read about this when he was filming,

941
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: he gained seventy pounds for this role, and he said

942
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: that when he was not shooting, when he was just

943
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: kind of like walking around in his regular life. The

944
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 2: people were afraid of him, Like women stopped talking to him,

945
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: and like people were afraid of him and thought he

946
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: looked like a killer basically, And I was like, good lord,

947
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: And he gets the brunt like everyone gets shit, but

948
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 2: he gets the brunt of Sergeant Hartman's vitriol. And mostly

949
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: it's because he is visibly different from everyone else's. He's heavier,

950
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: he's more out of shape, he can't do a pull up,

951
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 2: he can't get over the top of the obstacle course

952
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: like it's he just has never learned how to do that,

953
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: and this sergeant does not have the patience to teach him.

954
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: And he's starting to also make it harder for the

955
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: other recruits to get through their obstacles and their you know,

956
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: everything that they have to do because he's holding them back.

957
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: So Joker gets promoted to squad leader and he's kind

958
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 2: of assigned Pile as someone to bunk with. So now

959
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: he's kind of in charge of this guy. And what

960
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: I think is interesting about that transition is that you

961
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 2: can see that Joker is very gentle and patient with Pile.

962
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: He just has a whole different approach to teaching, and

963
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: he really wants him to succeed, so he's very like, like, gentlemanly,

964
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 2: here's how you do this, and here's how you while

965
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: they're doing like really intense shit, like putting a gun

966
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: together or like like they're doing all this intense shit.

967
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: But he's very patient with this guy, and he shows

968
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: him how to get his legs over the top of

969
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: this really high obstacle course and it's kind of working,

970
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: like he's starting to kind of shape up.

971
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: Then at one.

972
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: Point, when they're lined up at the end of their

973
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: bunks for inspection, Sergeant Hartman finds a jelly donut in

974
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: Pile's foot locker and basically decides that now whenever Pile

975
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 2: fucks up, everyone else in the squad is going to

976
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: be punished for it, because apparently, like you know, they're

977
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: not helping him get into shape. So he makes them

978
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: do push ups, he makes them basically take the physical

979
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: punishment while Pile just stands and looks and eats his donut.

980
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: And it is super fucked up, Yeah, and it's very

981
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 2: harsh to watch. What's also fucked up is what happens next,

982
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: which is that one night the squad's kind of had it.

983
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: They're like this guy's really holding his back, like we

984
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: don't fucking like him, and he knows it, like Pile

985
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: knows that they don't like him because of that last

986
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 2: jelly donut move. And they plan an attack on him,

987
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: and basically they wrap a blanket around him. He's on

988
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: the top bunk. They wrap a bunch of bars of

989
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: soap and towels and kind of strap him down with

990
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: the blanket and gag his mouth and then they all

991
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 2: take turns beating him on his stomach and even Joker

992
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: joins in, even though he's hesitant. He joins in, and

993
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: he really gets into it, like you can see in

994
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 2: his face that he's really getting into it. And it

995
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: fucks Leonard up. That really fucks Pile up. And he

996
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 2: starts kind of zoning out and he's not you know,

997
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: and they're all screaming and repeating what the sergeant is saying.

998
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 2: He's not responding. He's just staring off into the distance

999
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 2: like something in him really snaps, and he starts talking

1000
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: to his rifle. It turns out that he's an excellent marksman.

1001
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 2: So that's something that the sergeant is excited about because

1002
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, finally something you can do right. And

1003
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: so when graduation comes around and they're part of the

1004
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: Marine Corps now and they're all being assigned, you know,

1005
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: different sectors that they're going to be in because they're

1006
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 2: all they're going to go to Vietnam. Joker gets a

1007
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: sign to journalism and Pile gets a sign to infantry.

1008
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: But Pile does it make it to infantry, even though

1009
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 2: Joker suspects that there's something wrong with him. They don't really,

1010
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: he doesn't really. He says it to Cowboy, but then

1011
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 2: kind of drops it. And on the last night of

1012
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: basic training, Pile goes into the bathroom with his rifle

1013
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 2: and a box of live rounds and Joker finds him

1014
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: there and first he shoots the sergeant and then he

1015
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 2: dies by suicide. And the movie is called Full Metal

1016
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: Jacket because what he uses is a magazine that was

1017
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 2: kind of standard issue for the infantry at that time,

1018
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: and that's what they called it. But when he says

1019
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: he's sitting on the toilet kind of like zoning out,

1020
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, I've got like a full metal jacket.

1021
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: And it's a very intense scene because you're watching Joker

1022
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: trying to negotiate with Pyle, who he'd previously been very

1023
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: kind to but now is taking this turn, this dark

1024
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: turn with him. And then the sergeant comes in and

1025
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: guns blazing and is like put that fucking gun down,

1026
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 2: like you know, you know what you're fucking doing. Like

1027
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 2: he just has no he doesn't read the situation at all.

1028
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 2: And I kind of as hard as that scene is

1029
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: to watch, I think Vincentinafrio did an amazing job in

1030
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: that scene, but it's also it was important to me

1031
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 2: that they decided to show that the side effect of

1032
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: all of that hyper masculinity and all of that anger

1033
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: and all of that yelling is not always positive. Like

1034
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 2: it's not always something that turns men into these perfect

1035
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 2: killing machines. Times it turns them into these really sad, hopeless,

1036
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: lost versions of themselves.

1037
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, like a total psychotic break. I mean it

1038
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: was just like that's kind of what happened. But you

1039
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: know what's interesting too, is that, I mean, just speaking

1040
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: from like a Kubrick style perspective, like this scene to

1041
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: me feels almost like the most of the signature kind

1042
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: of Kubrick style, Like there's parts of this that remind

1043
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: me a lot of like the shining, like Vincent Denofrio's

1044
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: face as he's kind of going through this like psychotic

1045
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: episode or you know, he's finally broke, right. It kind

1046
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: of reminded me of like Jack Torreans like in the

1047
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: in those scenes of Jack Torrants and the Shining, where

1048
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: his like face is all like you know, scrunched up

1049
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: and he's just like the he just has this like

1050
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: deadness to his face, and you know, obviously like a

1051
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: bathroom staying with a lot of like overhead lighting and

1052
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff. And I'm just like wow,

1053
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: like because this is the thing about I think Full

1054
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: Metal Jacket, and I'm like, listen, Kubrick, people like, do

1055
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: not get my face about this, But I you know,

1056
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: there are parts of Full Modal Jacket that don't. It

1057
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a Kubrick film in a weird way,

1058
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: Like I think it's like not as stylistic as some

1059
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: of his other stuff, but then there are obvious like

1060
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: references to maybe other things that he's done. Like I mean,

1061
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,959
Speaker 1: I just kind of the general vibe of the movie,

1062
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: which is pretty anti war, I would say, but also

1063
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: kind of has moments of like Doctor Strangelove, which is

1064
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: basically talking about the absurdity of war and the absurdity

1065
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: of like the military and this kind of stuff, right,

1066
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 1: but absolutely, but yeah, this this to me, this scene

1067
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: in particular, I think is really hard to watch. It's

1068
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: very intense, but then also has that kind of like

1069
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: it has that shining moment I think for me is

1070
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: when I'm like, oh my gosh, Like the faces are

1071
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: the same, like his face and Jack Torns's face.

1072
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, and it's got that same coldness and that

1073
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: kind of horror, that horror edge that he does where

1074
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: it's a psychological horror that he's introducing to you because

1075
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: you don't know what's gonna happen. Yeah, oh yeah, like

1076
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: you're very on edd totally like what's happen.

1077
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: Oh when Matthew Modine, it's like when that the scene

1078
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: right before when he's like he's patrolling the barracks and

1079
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: then he realizes that there's somebody in the bathroom. That

1080
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: to me is like when Jack Torrence goes into the

1081
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: bathroom almost you know what I mean, a set like

1082
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: creepy feeling of like somebody's in there, He's going to

1083
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,479
Speaker 1: figure out who it is, and it's just it goes

1084
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: very slow, but anyway.

1085
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: Oh, it's yeah, it's I'm so glad you brought that up,

1086
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 2: because I think that he also, to me, kind of

1087
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: comments on the absurdity of war through the music in

1088
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: the movie. So the music is so wildly divergent from

1089
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: what we're watching, and the music is like the surf

1090
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: and bird and you know, like all like Nancy Sinatra

1091
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: bully bullying. Really yeah, and it's like really, it's a

1092
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: huge disconnect, and it's very weird to watch or to

1093
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: listen to these songs and watch these scenes. So I

1094
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: think that you're right that he does that in a

1095
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: number of different ways, including the filming style, and I

1096
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: think that it's it's you know, there's a there's a

1097
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 2: sharp turn after this scene where you don't even get

1098
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: to see anyone process what's happened, because you immediately cut

1099
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: to everyone's been assigned to Vietnam. So we pick up

1100
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: with Joker and his hair has grown in. That's how

1101
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: you know time has passed.

1102
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: Spanning time.

1103
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: It's spanning time, and it's like a little like his

1104
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: hair has grown in, and somebody shows up with little

1105
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: round glasses and it's like, I'm you from the future.

1106
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 2: So he's a war correspondent. He works for Stars and

1107
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 2: Stripes magazine. He's a combat correspondent. And he's still joking around,

1108
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: like he jokes around with this editor, and he jokes

1109
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: around with the people that he's hanging out with. And

1110
00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: when we first see him, there's a now iconic scene.

1111
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 2: I think this is now an iconic scene, primarily because

1112
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 2: this movie was sampled in a two Live Crew song

1113
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 2: called Me So Horny, And basically a sex worker is

1114
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 2: approaching these two gis one of them a joker, the

1115
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 2: other one is rafterman rafterman, And you see them sitting

1116
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 2: down and the sex worker approaches them and in broken

1117
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: English says, you know, basically, do you want to date?

1118
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to defend how that scene looks now.

1119
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 2: It's like it was offensive then and it's even more

1120
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: offensive now. There's nothing to defend. But it's interesting to

1121
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 2: me that it was sampled, it became a song and

1122
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 2: also a sampled part of it. That particular scene has

1123
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 2: been sampled by musicians so many times, and it's just

1124
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: very interesting to me that that is what they picked

1125
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 2: up on in this whole fucking movie, and that that's

1126
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: what they picked up on that scene, because to me,

1127
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 2: that's a scene about a woman who's been pushed to

1128
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 2: desperate measures and has had to learn how to service

1129
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 2: these American men in order to secure her own safety.

1130
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 2: So the fact that it's like turned into like these

1131
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 2: party songs is very shocking to me.

1132
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: I have a very very complicated history and opinion about

1133
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: this because as an Asian woman, right like this, I mean,

1134
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: it's like, at a certain point this scene almost became

1135
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: like is the scene that launched a thousand Asian female

1136
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: stereotypes right right, while at the same time I remember

1137
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: dancing to me so horny at like you know, many

1138
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:50,919
Speaker 1: points of my life, right, you know. And it's it's

1139
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: hard for me to really form like a party line

1140
01:01:54,840 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: about it because the actress that plays this character is

1141
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: an actress, and I actually feel like she gave a

1142
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: funny performance, Like I feel like her character is meant

1143
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: to have brought some sort of comedy to this scene

1144
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: while at the same time being like kind of a

1145
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: shocking moment in the film too, because of what you've

1146
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: just said. You know, she's a sex worker, her life

1147
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: has conditions to where this was part of what her

1148
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, she was doing in her everyday life right, right.

1149
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: And there's another scene too later in the film that

1150
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: involves a sex worker that I feel like is even

1151
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: harder to watch than this one. Absolutely, you know, I

1152
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's it's very complicated for me because

1153
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: as much as it like, I mean, my mom is

1154
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,919
Speaker 1: from Asia and my dad was a military guy met

1155
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: who met her in Asia. It's a common thing in

1156
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: this era for American military men to be in Asia, right,

1157
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: and I am a product of that, right, So this

1158
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: is you know, I'm a little bit more I'm closer

1159
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: to it and I'm more sensitive about it. But it's

1160
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: complicated because it's like, yeah, I mean, it has become

1161
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: such a cultural moment and you wonder why and how,

1162
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So I get what you're saying.

1163
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 2: It's it's and it's an extension of that hypermasculinity where

1164
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 2: like the feelings of this actress and this woman were

1165
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 2: not even considered, and she was presented as a joke,

1166
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 2: and that didn't seem like there was any other way

1167
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 2: she was going to be presented, Like they weren't going

1168
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 2: to dig into her story at all. They weren't going

1169
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 2: to dig into the you know, the horrors of war,

1170
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 2: including the horrors of what war does to people in

1171
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 2: the area that they are fighting, like they're not even

1172
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 2: going to consider that in this film. And the actress

1173
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: is named, by the way, is Patpion Sue. She's credited

1174
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 2: in the movie as Papillon Sousu, but she Yeah, she's

1175
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 2: purely there for comedic effect, as a way to kind

1176
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: of set the scene for what's coming, which is that

1177
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 2: Joker is very bored as a combat correspondent because he's

1178
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: not seeing a lot of action, so he has time

1179
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 2: to sit around and joke and like talk to sex workers,

1180
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 2: and you know, he has time for that because his

1181
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: role in war is being presented is less serious, right

1182
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 2: that being a combat correspondent isn't as serious as being

1183
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 2: like in the infantry and on the front line. But

1184
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 2: she was used as a way to help usher in

1185
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 2: that tone for that part of the film. And I

1186
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: don't think she gets enough credit for being a great actress.

1187
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: She was a Bond she was in a James Bond film.

1188
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, she's awesome, and look her up like

1189
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: she's she's a great actress. And I definitely think that

1190
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 2: I've complicated feelings about that scene as well, like it

1191
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: never you know, I never want to skirt over this,

1192
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: Like I'm glad we can talk about things that are

1193
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 2: difficult and how it makes you feel as an Asian

1194
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 2: woman who, like you said, your parents met when your

1195
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 2: dad was stationed somewhere, you like, he was stationed in Asia,

1196
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 2: Like that's where they met and.

1197
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: That's when they got married.

1198
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I mean, so yeah, I think it's

1199
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 2: interesting and thank you for talking about that. And this

1200
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 2: is this is also a part of the movie that

1201
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: I think is part of what's affected me since I

1202
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 2: was a kid when I first saw it, is that

1203
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 2: there's a complicated history with war, and there's a complicated

1204
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 2: history with the Vietnam War especially, and I think that,

1205
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 2: you know, when I first watched this movie, of course

1206
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 2: watch it with my grandma, who has no boundaries, and

1207
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 2: I would ask her like did that really happen? Like

1208
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 2: did women have sex with men? And she was like yeah.

1209
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 2: We talked about it, and we talked about like she

1210
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 2: was the one who told me kind of what it

1211
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 2: meant and talked me through my feelings about it, because

1212
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, like I thought Joker was this kind

1213
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 2: of nice guy and now I'm kind of seeing him

1214
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 2: tease the sex worker, and I don't know how to

1215
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 2: feel about this. I don't know how to feel about her.

1216
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: And I know that she's supposed to be funny, but

1217
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel funny to me as a woman, or

1218
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: even as a little girl. You didn't feel funny to me.

1219
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 2: So there is a complicated history with war that I

1220
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 2: think a lot of people would rather forget and not discuss.

1221
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 2: Like I think a lot of people and you've discussed

1222
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 2: this before, where when your mom came to America and

1223
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 2: you know, she didn't speak perfect English and she had

1224
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 2: a hard time getting jobs and people treated her poorly

1225
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 2: and talked down to her, and like how hard that

1226
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 2: was for you? And I think people just want to

1227
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 2: ignore that part of the history of war, and I

1228
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 2: don't think that's right. Like, there are people that are

1229
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: affected by war in several different ways, but there are

1230
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 2: also you know, women like Papy on Sue and like

1231
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 2: the actress Popy on Sue and the character she's portraying.

1232
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fucking hard to watch, Like this is why

1233
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: it is like a very complicated subject.

1234
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 2: But this also leads into you know, as you're saying

1235
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 2: This also leads into what happened in the next scene,

1236
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 2: which is that you know, Joker might be bored, but

1237
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 2: he's getting sent off to combat. And at this point,

1238
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 2: this is a person who or a character who is

1239
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 2: He's wearing a peace symbol button that really rattles his superiors,

1240
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: but he also has born to kill written on his helmet,

1241
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 2: and at one point somebody asks him, like, what the

1242
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 2: fuck's going on, Like why are you wearing a peace

1243
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 2: symble button and you're born to kill? Like you've written

1244
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 2: born to kill on your helmet, and he says, I

1245
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 2: think I was trying to suggest something about the duality

1246
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: of man. So it kind of goes back to what

1247
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 2: we were saying about people who joined the military for

1248
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 2: very different, various reasons, and sometimes a lot of people

1249
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 2: who are in the military are still considering what it

1250
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 2: means to be in the military. So I thought it

1251
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: was important that they included that scene because I didn't

1252
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 2: want it to just be kind of glazed over that

1253
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 2: this is someone who has these opposing views and he

1254
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 2: says he's on the side of peace and he doesn't

1255
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 2: want war, and he gets in trouble for it all

1256
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 2: the time. But he's actively in the military. So he

1257
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 2: gets sent off to combat and as they're going, they're

1258
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 2: in this helicopter with this fucking maniac behind a machine

1259
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 2: gun who's just shooting into open fields and he just

1260
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 2: says like ha, like, ain't war hell, And Joker asks

1261
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 2: him if he's ever shot women and children, and he's like,

1262
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 2: I can't believe you're just like wildly shooting out of

1263
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 2: this helicopter at people who have nothing to do with

1264
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 2: this war. And so I think, again, like the part

1265
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 2: about the Vietnam War that I've always been interested in

1266
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 2: and attracted to is looking at it from the side

1267
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 2: of the Vietnamese people, or at least trying to understand

1268
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 2: what happened in Vietnam to the Vietnamese people. So it's

1269
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 2: just a wild trip that he goes. And now he's

1270
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 2: part of this unit, and you know, he meets animal mother,

1271
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,879
Speaker 2: who has I am become death written on his helmet,

1272
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 2: and again all these subtle nods because that is it's

1273
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 2: a quote from the bog Avid Vida and it was

1274
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 2: referenced by Jay Robert Oppenheimer when the first atomic bomb

1275
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 2: was detonated. Wow, And he has that written across his

1276
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 2: fucking helmet because that he's again like another maniac who

1277
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 2: just lives to kill. And he also is having this

1278
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 2: interaction where this is that scene that you're talking about

1279
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 2: that's difficult with this second sex worker that comes on

1280
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 2: the scene and he's having this this interaction with the

1281
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 2: character eight Ball played by Darien Dorian Harewood. Like I said,

1282
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: and a Ball is black and he's having this conversation

1283
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 2: with him and he's saying the most racist, horrible fucking shit.

1284
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 2: So for me, I'm looking at this scene and I'm

1285
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 2: thinking this is supposed to be like a real band

1286
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 2: of brothers connected unit core, Like we're all turning you

1287
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: into the same kind of guy who would support someone.

1288
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: But how do you do that when you're when you're

1289
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 2: a black man fighting alongside a white supremacist, or you're

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01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 2: a black man fighting alongside this guy who's is all

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01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 2: this racist shit and seems to like outwardly hate you

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01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 2: and if you were not in the military, would not

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01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 2: even give you the time of fucking day. Yeah, And

1294
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 2: I've asked my family about that, like what did it

1295
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 2: mean for you to be in the military and be black?

1296
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 2: And they kind of didn't want to talk to me

1297
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 2: about it, honestly, like they kind of just brushed it

1298
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 2: off as if like, well, you know, there are tough

1299
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: things with every part of being in the military, and

1300
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, but that's an extra layer of tough that

1301
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 2: is rooted in further demoralizing you as you're doing the

1302
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 2: job they taught you to do. So it's just so

1303
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 2: fucked and like, you know, again, like I don't want

1304
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 2: to ruin the end of the movie for you, but

1305
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 2: you know, Joker is weirdly thrown into combat, Like can

1306
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 2: you imagine going to your job, like your a nine

1307
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 2: to five job, and then somebody hand you a gun

1308
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, also killed that guy. Like

1309
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 2: it's fucking mayhem. And so I think that they really

1310
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 2: that Cubick really kind of showcase that mayhem in a

1311
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 2: very interesting way and very there's a couple of really

1312
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 2: heartfelt sad moment, a lot of really heartfelt sad moments

1313
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 2: for me. But at the end of the movie, it's

1314
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 2: just like you're watching Joker kind of turn into the

1315
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 2: thing he never wanted to be. Yeah, And it's like

1316
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,759
Speaker 2: the effect of being in the military, or the effect

1317
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 2: of being part of this war for him is that

1318
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 2: it turned him into more of the born to kill

1319
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 2: and less of the peaceful pacifist. Yeah.

1320
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost like he had his convictions challenge

1321
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: in this one moment, you know. And that's what I

1322
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: think the movie is essentially about. It is just this

1323
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: idea of like what war does to people and how

1324
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: it changes people and how it makes them have to

1325
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 1: confront these very like hard moral questions, you know. And

1326
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: that's how I feel when I watch this movie too.

1327
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: I actually think this movie is good. Like I'm like,

1328
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 1: I think this movie is like very thought provoking, you know,

1329
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 1: despite the fact that there are uncomfortable moments that you know,

1330
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 1: for if you're sensitive, you're not going to be able

1331
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: to hack the language, and that the there's you know,

1332
01:11:55,680 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: it's it's all obviously taking place in a different time too,

1333
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: right where you know, racism and misogyny and homophobia and

1334
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: things like that just were part of the conversation in

1335
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: that in those ways, and as we're talking about the

1336
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:16,640
Speaker 1: military here too, which is like another layer. But I

1337
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: think that the what makes this movie is so thought

1338
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: provoking for so many reasons, and I do think that

1339
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: I do end up kind of seeing it through the

1340
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: lens of the Joker character, right, because he's kind of

1341
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: the like reluctant participant, like he needs to keep some

1342
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: kind of ironic distance between him and his experiences, which

1343
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: is why he's always like doing the John Wayne impressions

1344
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: and he's like ironically wearing the helmet while wearing the

1345
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: peace pin, and so you know you're in that moment

1346
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: of him, you know, again without giving the end of

1347
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: the ending away, where you're like you're kind of going, okay,

1348
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: now what then, dude, Like you were talking about how

1349
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: bored you were and how you wanted to be in

1350
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 1: the shit, and now you're in the shit and you're

1351
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 1: having this moment and where you have to basically like

1352
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: make a very very hard choice and so I don't know.

1353
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 1: That to me is what makes a good movie is

1354
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: when you're kind of rattled by characters and the decisions

1355
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: that they have to make, and.

1356
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 2: It's very complicated. I think I think it's worth it

1357
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 2: to watch again. I watched it when I was younger,

1358
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 2: and it really I just really imprinted or imprinted on

1359
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 2: me in terms of how demoralizing and hard and again

1360
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 2: hyper masculine. I didn't understand what that life meant so

1361
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 2: if I looked at it only from the perspective of

1362
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 2: my family members who'd been in the military, who had

1363
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 2: been like, oh, well, it's great and it's fine and

1364
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 2: it's easy, and you seem fine, and then watching movies

1365
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 2: like this, I'm like, Wow, it helped me ask different

1366
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 2: questions of the people I knew who were involved, yeah,

1367
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,719
Speaker 2: in this military life. So I appreciated that. But yeah,

1368
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 2: I think it's a good movie too. I think it's

1369
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 2: worth it. I think gets again complicated, challenging, and it's

1370
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 2: worth it to read the books that the book that

1371
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 2: the movie is based on, the book that the other writer,

1372
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 2: Michael Hurr wrote, Dispatches If you're at all interested in

1373
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 2: this time of our history.

1374
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and and I think to your very first

1375
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: point about like not going too much deep into the

1376
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: Kubrick world, because lord knows people have done it and

1377
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: I've done it better than we could. This to me

1378
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 1: sort of feels like the least koper Key film, at

1379
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: least from the ones I've seen.

1380
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for giving me the time to discuss that.

1381
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 2: I know I went very long.

1382
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: Thank you for allowing me to watch it again.

1383
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, well, your movie was the first

1384
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 2: watch for me, so I'm very excited to.

1385
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: Talk about Oh, very interesting. Well, I am too. This

1386
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: movie is a little bit different than your film, but

1387
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 1: I feel like it still talks about like the culture

1388
01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 1: of the military and like specifically, like the masculinity topics

1389
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: that we talked about just now. So my film for

1390
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 1: the theme drop and Give Me twenty is a movie

1391
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 1: from nineteen sixty seven. It was written by Gladys Hill

1392
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: and Chapman Mortimer from a book by Carson McCullers, and

1393
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: it was directed by John Houston. And it's called Reflections

1394
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 1: and a Golden Eye. Have you ever been colored and

1395
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 1: dragged out into the street and threshed by naked woman?

1396
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: Now this is maybe unintentionally.

1397
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,640
Speaker 2: I think this is the third almost consecutive movie that

1398
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 2: you've picked that was based on something Carson mcculler's right.

1399
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: I know. Wait, I know that, yeah, because we did

1400
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: The Heart is a Lonely Hunter. I know that it

1401
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: wasn't that long ago. So I apologize.

1402
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not complaining. I'm just saying, it's

1403
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 2: like a very interesting subconscious choice that you're making. I know,

1404
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 2: I don't She's a great writer. I love it. I'll

1405
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 2: take it all day long.

1406
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I look and like I think, you know

1407
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: that's about me now. I'm a Georgia girl. Carson McCullers

1408
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: was originally from Columbus, Georgia, and I just love Southern

1409
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 1: Gothic literature and film, and so I don't know, I'm

1410
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: sorry that it's was so recent that I brought another

1411
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: Carson mcculler's thing, But I.

1412
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 2: Do not apologize. I was just watching it and because

1413
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 2: i'd never seen it before, and I was researching it,

1414
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, there's another Carson

1415
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 2: mc college. It's gonna be great.

1416
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. Yeah, no, no, no, I thank you

1417
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: for saying that. And you know, I got to tell

1418
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 1: you too, Like the there was a lot of like

1419
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: the Southern Gothic writers in like the forties, fifties and

1420
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: sixties where there was a lot of film adaptations coming out,

1421
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: like so totally. I mean, it doesn't surprise me that

1422
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: because I think The Heart was I think The Heart

1423
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: is a Lonely Hunter came out in like sixty eight,

1424
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: and this came out Land sixty seven, so like yeah,

1425
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: I mean she was like all the rage at this moment,

1426
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: so it doesn't and.

1427
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 2: Interesting, like, it's interesting too to see that she was

1428
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 2: writing about these complay worlds that were so different, like

1429
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 2: everything she writes about is so different from the last

1430
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 2: thing she wrote. Yeah, so I just I love that.

1431
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 1: I did too, And like, you know, it has been

1432
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: a long time since I've read Reflections in a Golden Eye,

1433
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna probably do that soon. I'm gonna I'm

1434
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: gonna go back and read it. But the movie version

1435
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: I Join You is I've been deeply fascinated with this

1436
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: movie version for many years. And it's interesting because I

1437
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: think at the time that it came out, a lot

1438
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,759
Speaker 1: of critics were like, this feels very over the top,

1439
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: very melodramatic, which of course is why I like it.

1440
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: You know me, I know, I'm like, can a melodrama

1441
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: be too over the top for me? It cannot, no

1442
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 1: such thing, the high drama, like I love the high drama.

1443
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: But also I will argue that is a Southern thing,

1444
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 1: like people love drama in the South, so a Southern melodrama.

1445
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: Of course, I gotta love it, I gotta of it.

1446
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: But I've seen this movie like a half dozen times

1447
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: in my life. I mean and for some reason, I've

1448
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 1: like logged them all on letterbox. I don't know why

1449
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 1: I want to keep telling people I've rewatched this movie

1450
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 1: a bunch, so I went in again. I went I

1451
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: know it's crazy, but I I think that this movie

1452
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: is a Southern Gothic classic and it's it's you can't

1453
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: talk about a soapbox I can get on. But it

1454
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite late sixties of Elizabeth Taylor performances. Okay,

1455
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 1: it was excellent, which, as you know it in my estimation,

1456
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: this is when Elizabeth Taylor becomes a legend for me.

1457
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: Right her mid to late career is just simply an

1458
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: obsession for me and I and and you know this

1459
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: about me if you've ever been to my house, which

1460
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:53,919
Speaker 1: no one has except for Danielle, basically I had Elizabeth

1461
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: Taylor themed bathroom. I mean, I'm just awesome. And honestly,

1462
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: like I've talked about this before in prior episodes, I

1463
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: just think that when when she moved out of her

1464
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: like young Angenue period and moved into the sixties and

1465
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: late sixties, early seventies and beyond, that's when, like you know,

1466
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,759
Speaker 1: a lot of people were like she's over she's crass,

1467
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 1: she's a drunk, she's you know, with Richard Burton, like

1468
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: she's trashy. And I'm like, that's when I love I

1469
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: love her because I think that's when she became like

1470
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:24,759
Speaker 1: a full person.

1471
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 2: And yeah, she started making great choices in film and

1472
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,839
Speaker 2: different choices and like broke out of her mold.

1473
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 1: Yes, and she wasn't afraid to appear unladylike. And and

1474
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: I just feel like, let a woman live for God's sake,

1475
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck? Like, go to Europe and drink

1476
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: too much and make some weird art films, like come on, like.

1477
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 2: What she gave you so much already, Like you can't.

1478
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 2: You don't have a say in what happens next.

1479
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, let her fucking live. But anyway, like I could,

1480
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: I could truly go on. But the director of this

1481
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:05,839
Speaker 1: film though, is John Houston of the great Houston Family

1482
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 1: of Rat Actors. Which I'm sorry you're gonna have to

1483
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: go and listen to the Graveyard Shift episode to know

1484
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,879
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, because that will.

1485
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 2: Make me laugh for fucking ever.

1486
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: I truly every time I say the very moores of

1487
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: the Houstons, I think about those rats from Graveyard shift.

1488
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 2: Holy shit, it is such an in joke reference. But

1489
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 2: it makes me laugh every fucking I know.

1490
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: And I truly don't care if any of y'all get it.

1491
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: It makes Danielle and I laugh, and that's just how

1492
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna be.

1493
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 2: So.

1494
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: But we've talked about John Houston before, obviously many times

1495
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 1: because we did the Treasure of the Sierra Madre in

1496
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: Fat City, and you know, if you listen to those episodes,

1497
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: you know that John Houston did a lot of movies

1498
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:59,719
Speaker 1: about outcasts, which makes him perfect for the Southern Gothic tradition.

1499
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 1: This one definitely included so a one sentence synopsis of

1500
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: reflections in a Golden eye, infidelity, repressed homosexuality, voyeurism, and

1501
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: murder collide against the backdrop of an army base in

1502
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: the South.

1503
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 2: Damn yes. So this is washing again, just based on

1504
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 2: that one sentence synopsis. Thank you that you can use

1505
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 2: that for the back of the VHS tape if you want.

1506
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: So this movie is centered around pretty much just six

1507
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: characters really. The main ones are this married couple named

1508
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: Major Weldon Penderton and his wife Leonora, and they are

1509
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: played by Marlon Brando and Elizabeth Taylor. Okay, so already

1510
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: you got the big guns in the film, and they're

1511
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:57,719
Speaker 1: living on a military base where Major Penderton is teaching

1512
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 1: at like a military school. And it's interesting because at

1513
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: the beginning of the film you're you're like, oh, they're

1514
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 1: living in like a house on a military base. And

1515
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time on military basis and

1516
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 1: I've stayed on them for extended periods of time, and

1517
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,480
Speaker 1: I will say this, most people are living in barracks

1518
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 1: just like Full Metal Jacket. But since Penderton is a major,

1519
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 1: they would probably have an actual house in a yard

1520
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: and everything. So if it seems like it's like, oh,

1521
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: why are they living in a house with like a

1522
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 1: hammock and everything, it's because they're officers and they're higher.

1523
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 2: Ranks, right, Yeah, anyone who's not an officer is living

1524
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 2: in like a condo apartment style like situation.

1525
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. And like the military base that my dad retired from,

1526
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: they still we still go there constantly because guess what,

1527
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 1: they got cheap groceries. So if you like, if you

1528
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 1: have access to a military base, go to the grocery

1529
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 1: store because you don't pay tax. And it is something

1530
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 1: my parents will do for the rest of their lives.

1531
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely get them, get those cheap ass groceries. And there

1532
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 1: was like an entire section of the of the base

1533
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:15,560
Speaker 1: that's near their house, that is basically like a neighborhood

1534
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 1: for the officers. And apparently like there was this burger

1535
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 1: king that was next to the neighborhood that one of

1536
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: the higher ranking officers like had shut down because he

1537
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 1: couldn't stand the smell of the burger.

1538
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 2: WHOA shouldn't that shitt down?

1539
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't like to smell those burgers? O god.

1540
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1541
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: So I just imagined he was in his like Elizabeth

1542
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 1: Taylor hammock right, him drawing invitations and was like, kill

1543
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 1: the burger king.

1544
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 2: I don't like flame grilled. Yeah, I don't want flame broiled.

1545
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 1: Fuck a flame world burger. So here's what I will

1546
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,799
Speaker 1: say right off the bat about this film and Marlon Brando,

1547
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: and it is this his Southern accent is so mumbly

1548
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 1: you will have to watch it with close caption subtitles.

1549
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 2: I was actually thinking, like, was this the beginning of

1550
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 2: him starting that style of acting for himself? I mean,

1551
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 2: and what is what is his goal with being completely

1552
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 2: unable to be understood?

1553
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 1: It's I mean I gotta tell you, there are times

1554
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: where I watched Street Car Name Desire that I'm like,

1555
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: come again, what is what did you say? So I

1556
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: don't I don't know, like I watch it with subtitles

1557
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: every time I've seen this film, because I was like,

1558
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 1: I need to understand.

1559
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 2: What he's saying.

1560
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 1: He's a main character. So if that doesn't matter to you,

1561
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: that's fine, but I'm just saying as a tip, well.

1562
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 2: He's also playing like a very rigid guy. Yeah, so

1563
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 2: you kind of like need to you need to hear

1564
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 2: him when he's talking and understand what he's saying because

1565
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 2: he's so locked in that, Like he uses a real

1566
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 2: economy of language, so when he's saying something, you're like, oh,

1567
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 2: this must be important.

1568
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. That's literally. My next note is that

1569
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: Major Penderton is very intense, like and obviously you know,

1570
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 1: the archetype at this point. And of course his wife,

1571
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 1: Leonora is the exact opposite. She's very social, extroverted. She's

1572
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 1: throwing parties at their house, you know. And this is

1573
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: like again Elizabeth Taylor in her full like purple majesty,

1574
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: Like she's just sort of like beautiful and vibrant and

1575
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and of course she's married to like

1576
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: the most uptight military motherfucker to ever live, right, And

1577
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: she's also carrying out an affair with one of her

1578
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 1: husband's colleagues, right, this guy, Lieutenant Colonel Morris Langton, and

1579
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 1: he's played by Brian Keith, doctor Brian Keith. So she's

1580
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 1: basically like, my husband is works too much.

1581
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 2: And I I've gotta like go give my kick somewhere else.

1582
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 2: So and even though you're also in the military, you're

1583
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 2: more fun than he is. Yeah, she's like, I'll take.

1584
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 1: It the street slightly less rigid military guy, and like

1585
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: and Langdon and Leonora they like ride horses together, and

1586
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: Leonora is obsessed with horses, and in particular this one horse, Firebird,

1587
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: and Firebird is like he is a loose cannon big time,

1588
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 1: but Leonora has figured out how to handle him right, right,

1589
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. So there, so they go out.

1590
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,640
Speaker 1: They're a fair consists of like riding horses together and

1591
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: like fucking in the shrubs. I don't know, this is

1592
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 1: what they do.

1593
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 2: Fucking in the brambles. Yeah, that isn't that? A A

1594
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 2: Blur song was then on the Snap soundtrack.

1595
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:09,959
Speaker 1: Not the Snatch soundtrack. Here's the thing that lang Langdon

1596
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 1: is also married, right, and he is married to a

1597
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 1: woman named Alison, who is played by Julie Harris, but

1598
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: they're essentially estranged after their baby passed away a few

1599
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:28,560
Speaker 1: years prior, and the grief of this situation drove Allison

1600
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 1: to cut off her nipples with a pair of garden shears.

1601
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 2: Okay, they mentioned that so close to the top of

1602
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 2: the movie that I was like, what, I did not

1603
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 2: know what this movie was going to be about. Didn't

1604
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 2: expect that, did not And it is.

1605
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: And it's a moment where you might actually miss that

1606
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 1: fact because it's being spoken by the Elizabeth Taylor character

1607
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:58,520
Speaker 1: and she's like doing her whole like you know, Blanche Dubois,

1608
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 1: like and I can't believe she had her naples cut

1609
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 1: off with a pair of gardens And you're like, wait

1610
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 1: a minute, what does she just say.

1611
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 2: Go back then or don't just pass by that?

1612
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know she's recovered and now she's just

1613
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:18,560
Speaker 1: now being you know, after all this time her grief processing.

1614
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:23,959
Speaker 1: Now everybody just thinks she's quote unquote crazy, right, except

1615
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 1: the only person in her life that understands her is

1616
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 1: her confidant and he is a Filipino houseboy name Anna

1617
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: Clayto and he's played by the actor Zoro David. I

1618
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 1: have so much to say about Zoro David, even though

1619
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 1: there's virtually there's no information about him pretty much online.

1620
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean, give me everything you got, because he's fascinating. Yes,

1621
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 1: and like I I know that he I think he

1622
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: was only in like one, maybe two movies, but then

1623
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 1: eventually he became a painter and he since passed. But

1624
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:05,719
Speaker 1: like this probably for me, was the first time I'd

1625
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 1: ever seen a Filipino person in a classic Hollywood movie, right,

1626
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 1: And I was blown the fuck away by it. Like

1627
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: I was like, there's a you know, Filipino in this

1628
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: fucking John Houston movie. Like what the fuck? Like this

1629
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:21,799
Speaker 1: is insane. Actually, like has a character, and he has lines,

1630
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: and he has thoughts and yes, and he's gay and

1631
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 1: he's you know, like it's just such an interesting character.

1632
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: There's a couple of things. I think I have a

1633
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: book in my library that talks about him briefly. But yeah,

1634
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if you were to google Zoro David, like

1635
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 1: there's no there's very little info on him, you'd have

1636
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 1: to like track down either articles or books or something

1637
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 1: that mentioned him. But there's just like I did not

1638
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: find a lot of biographical information about him, unfortunately, so

1639
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 1: and I just think it's because he wasn't in a

1640
01:29:55,560 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 1: lot of films. But obviously a hero, a fucking hero

1641
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: for me. So rest in Peace King. Awesome characters and

1642
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 1: Peace King. Yes. So here's the thing. Okay, everyone knows,

1643
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: everyone around the base pretty much knows that Langdon and

1644
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:15,720
Speaker 1: Leonora are having an affair, especially Allison, right, and to

1645
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 1: make matters worse, right, Major Penderton hates his wife period,

1646
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 1: Like he just can't stand her. You know, he's so

1647
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: caught up in his own fucking masculinity, in his own

1648
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 1: issues that I think that the party line is that

1649
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 1: she emasculates him and she has made him a cook essentially,

1650
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 1: and he just can't handle it. And so he just

1651
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: has so much contempt for his wife. More on that

1652
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 1: in a second, obviously. But here's who I want to

1653
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 1: get to, because this character in the film is it's

1654
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:53,759
Speaker 1: the hinge that the entire story is resting on. Okay,

1655
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 1: there is an enlisted officer, meaning he's he's not a

1656
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 1: you know, not an officer. He's a regular soldier living

1657
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 1: in the barracks. Right. His name is Private Williams and

1658
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: he is played by the Great Robert Forster. Rest in Peace, King.

1659
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 1: We love him. We've talked about him before on this podcast.

1660
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 1: This was his very first movie. Oh my goodness, and

1661
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 1: let me tell you he comes in with a fucking bang.

1662
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 2: As soon as I saw him, I was like, oh,

1663
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 2: I make this makes sense now, Yes, is the milliy pick.

1664
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 2: This makes sense.

1665
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 1: He's very cute and it also is a loner. He's

1666
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 1: very sterious, and he's kind of like the Joker of

1667
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 1: Reflections in a Golden Eye in that way where he's

1668
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: very atypically military. Right. And in nineteen sixty seven he

1669
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 1: has this hippiness to him, right, because he's he loves

1670
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 1: horses and he takes walks by himself and he's not

1671
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 1: like part of the gang, right, which is which is interesting.

1672
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 1: I think in sixty seven he would be seen kind

1673
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 1: of as a hippie type. Right. He comes to the

1674
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 1: Penderson's at first as sort of as like erin boy,

1675
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,640
Speaker 1: like he's like clearing away branches and shit. And then

1676
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 1: apparently there was an incident where he spilled coffee on

1677
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 1: the major and like the Major has always held a

1678
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: grudge for that. More on that later. But then at

1679
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 1: one point, one day, Williams becomes like this full on

1680
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 1: legend for the Major because the Major and Leonora and

1681
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: Langdon actually are out riding horses one day and in

1682
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: the distance they see Williams and he is riding a

1683
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 1: horse bareback, completely naked, okay.

1684
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 2: Bareback and bear ass as Leonora says, so Robert.

1685
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 1: Forrester's entry into hollyw was that he was naked and

1686
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 1: riding a horse. I mean, a legend.

1687
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 2: Say no more.

1688
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:17,680
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. Weldon is disgusted, but he's also like, huh,

1689
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:18,600
Speaker 1: because his.

1690
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:21,719
Speaker 2: The previous interaction that they've had is like he cleared

1691
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 2: the brush wrong, like he cleared too much, like he

1692
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 2: was already kind of like you spilled coffee on me.

1693
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 2: You don't know how to clean the brush. You're like

1694
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:32,560
Speaker 2: a weird horse whisperer to my wife's pets, Like, what's

1695
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 2: the point of you?

1696
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 1: Yes, But then he's like, but he's naked and free

1697
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 1: and he's riding a horse. And there's other context clues

1698
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:44,800
Speaker 1: to support this in the film. But I might be

1699
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 1: gay and obsessed with this young private who has no

1700
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 1: rules for his life, unlike me, you know. So this

1701
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 1: is what we're getting at, right, is that Weldon is

1702
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:06,720
Speaker 1: pressing his sexual feelings for men, right, and he is

1703
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 1: in the military. This is nineteen sixty seven, Like I think,

1704
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's a problem for him to be gay

1705
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:18,679
Speaker 1: in this period, right. So look, if this wasn't enough

1706
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 1: of a fraud situation, Williams has been sneaking out of

1707
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Speaker 1: the barracks at night to look in the Penderton's windows, okay,

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01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:35,560
Speaker 1: and then he gets bold enough to start breaking into

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Speaker 1: their house to like fool around with Leonora's lingerie in

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Speaker 1: perfume while she's fucking sleeping.

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Speaker 2: I mean love triangle to the extreme.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So there's a lot of high Southern drama going

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Speaker 1: on right now. Okay, So, as we've just alluded to,

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Speaker 1: the Major has a lot of repressed gay energy to

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01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 1: burn on off. So he goes riding horses alone one day,

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01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 1: and this time he decides that he's gonna ride Firebird, Okay,

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01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 1: And of course Firebird takes off, and this scene is

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Speaker 1: actually stressful to me, where he's like the horse is

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01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 1: going at high speed and like Marlon Brando is being

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01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: like whipped by tree branches and shit, it's genuinely for

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Speaker 1: a long time.

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Speaker 2: He goes on for a while and you're like, damn, yes,

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Speaker 2: Firebird is fucking him up right.

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Speaker 1: And at some point, like he falls off the horse

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01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 1: a bit and gets dragged, and then the horse finally stops,

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Speaker 1: and then the Major, out of sheer angers, just starts

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01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 1: beating the horse with a switch, which is terrible, right,

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01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 1: and then the Major just has a full on breakdown,

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01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 1: like he just like beats his horse and then he

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01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 1: just collapses and he just starts like crying hysterically. But

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01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: then here comes old naked Williams right out of the

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Speaker 1: woods and he just takes Firebird away, and the Major

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01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 1: is like, what the fuck, Like he's just unable to

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Speaker 1: process what is happening right with all of it. And

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01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 1: this is actually the next part is my favorite slash

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01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 1: craziest part of the film, which is that Leonora finds

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01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:21,719
Speaker 1: out that the Major took Firebird out and then beat

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Speaker 1: her horse. Okay, so she's back at the house throwing

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01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 1: a party. All the military guys are like circled around

1740
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 1: her while she's like telling her party tales. Then she

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01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 1: goes out and sees Firebird and realizes that Firebird is

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01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 1: fucking injured and that Williams is basically like tending to

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01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:45,519
Speaker 1: the wounds of this animal, and she loses her shit.

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01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 1: She comes back in the house with a whip and

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01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 1: then just working her husband's goddamn face in front of

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01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 1: the entire party.

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01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 2: That scene made me so fucking nervous because I'm like,

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01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,600
Speaker 2: she is hitting this this rigid military man in the

1749
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 2: face with the writing crop in front of all of

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01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:06,799
Speaker 2: his friends.

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01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 1: Casey, you might have to drop in the clip where

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01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 1: she's beating him and she goes, mas, my fabit. They

1753
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 1: should sample it in a disco song. It's like, my, absolutely,

1754
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 1: my fabbit. It's wild. And I feel like Marlon Brando

1755
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:29,639
Speaker 1: was getting hit in the fucking face, like I was like, yeah.

1756
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 1: So anyway, the film spirals out of control from this point.

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01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: The major begins to stalk Williams after this whole incident

1758
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 1: with the in the woods with Firebird, and Williams is

1759
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 1: like still sniffing panties or whatever the hell he's doing

1760
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 1: in there. And the craziest part is that Alison is

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01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 1: seeing all of it. She's watching it from the windows right,

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01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 1: and yet everybody thinks she's nuts, right, So she's like

1763
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:00,599
Speaker 1: an unreliable narrator and everyone she's seeing everybody who they are,

1764
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 1: and she can't be trusted because she, you know, has

1765
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 1: had trauma. We've definitely heard this tale before, okay. And

1766
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 1: at a certain points, she just gets so fed up

1767
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 1: about langdon you know, and the affair that he's having,

1768
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 1: that she asked for a divorce and guess what Langnin does.

1769
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,520
Speaker 1: He ships her away to a mental institution.

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01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 2: God, and he's like, oh but it's a nice one.

1771
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 1: Give me a break, give me a break. And you know,

1772
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: Annacalato at a certain point produces this painting that Allison

1773
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 1: has a peacock. It's a painting of a peacock with

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01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 1: his golden eye, and there's this conversation about how the

1775
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 1: eyes reflecting something grotesque, which is the metaphor for the film, right,

1776
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:46,679
Speaker 1: because this is a movie about looking right. It's about

1777
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 1: seeing the ways in which people who are part of

1778
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 1: this very rigid military structure are repressing desires and true selves.

1779
01:38:56,240 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously the Brando character is the best

1780
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 1: representation for that because he's like this conflicted gay man

1781
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 1: and I mean, I won't give away the ending, of course,

1782
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:12,559
Speaker 1: but I think that plays out in a very very

1783
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:18,679
Speaker 1: intense way, you know, And I don't know, I mean,

1784
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 1: to me, this film it doesn't have the combat elements

1785
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:26,680
Speaker 1: that your film does, and it doesn't really like go

1786
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 1: into that at all, but it is about the lives

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01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:32,720
Speaker 1: of people who are in the military and sort of

1788
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 1: like ideas of masculinity and sort of like honor and

1789
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And you know, to me, it's

1790
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:44,639
Speaker 1: just very fascinating to me to just sort of watch

1791
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 1: a movie where people are keeping secrets because it's part

1792
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:52,519
Speaker 1: of like a protocol for the lives that they have.

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01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:54,680
Speaker 2: Well, I loved it because and I think it f

1794
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:56,760
Speaker 2: it's the theme so well, because I think that it

1795
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,839
Speaker 2: is interesting to me to see the lives of people

1796
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 2: on base because it's not something I'm familiar with. So

1797
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 2: I think that you know, that that rigidness extends to

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01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 2: how they live, Like it's not just like it ends

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01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 2: when they you know, fall out of formation, Like it

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01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 2: it's their whole their whole life is consumed by yeah,

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01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 2: being in the military, and they have very militaristic approach

1802
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 2: to their own feelings and to their own families, and

1803
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 2: like that's important. I thought it was really cool that

1804
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:26,600
Speaker 2: you picked this movie.

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01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like, honestly, like if you're really into you know,

1806
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:36,519
Speaker 1: Southern gothic stuff and want to take on, you know,

1807
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:39,559
Speaker 1: a movie that's a very high drama, this is perfect.

1808
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:43,440
Speaker 1: And I will say that John Houston actually released a

1809
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: version of the film that was gold tinted. Ooh, and

1810
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 1: sometimes you can catch on TV. I won't. I will

1811
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 1: say that as a former TV programmer, I would program it.

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01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:59,960
Speaker 1: I think I think that was a gold version.

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01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was a version I watched on

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01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 2: Apple TV.

1815
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's I think that that was initially how

1816
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 1: he wanted it released, but then everyone was like, no,

1817
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:11,960
Speaker 1: make it regular, what are you doing? We can't have

1818
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:15,880
Speaker 1: this gold? So it was great. Yeah, yeah, Warner Brothers

1819
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:18,680
Speaker 1: released both versions, I think at a certain point. But

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01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 1: it's I love this movie. I love the topics that

1821
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 1: it talks about. I love the actors, I love the vibe,

1822
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 1: I love Carson McCullers, I love the South. And yeah,

1823
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 1: that's kind of why I picked it.

1824
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:35,519
Speaker 2: So I loved it. It was again a first watch

1825
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 2: for me, and it was really really interesting and fun

1826
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:41,040
Speaker 2: to watch. I was like, I don't know where we're going.

1827
01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 2: But I am a long for this ride. The acts

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01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:45,439
Speaker 2: were incredible. I'm really glad you picked this.

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01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 1: Well and listen, I'm really really glad that you wanted

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01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 1: to go down this road with me this week, because

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01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is just like again, like the

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01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 1: military is very is a very big part of my

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01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:57,640
Speaker 1: life and my upbringing. And you know, I think I

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01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:01,200
Speaker 1: had a very eight typical military Kiddix experience because you know,

1835
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:04,559
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people who have military families

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01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:07,680
Speaker 1: and they're expected to also go into the military when

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01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 1: they're grown up and et cetera. I feel like that

1838
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 1: was not my experience at all. But I definitely have

1839
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 1: lived on military basis. I've you know, been to parties

1840
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:21,640
Speaker 1: where there's only military people there, and like, you know,

1841
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 1: I I definitely I don't know. To me, like I said,

1842
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 1: I think through the movies, like the military is a

1843
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 1: very interesting conduit to talk about lots of different topics.

1844
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 2: So I agree, I agree. Thank you for going down

1845
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:40,080
Speaker 2: this road with me. I went so long. I'm so sorry, guys,

1846
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 2: but also I'm not sorry. We need to talk about it.

1847
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:43,879
Speaker 2: And sometimes you're gonna get a big old X episode

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01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 2: from us, and this is the one.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Do you want to give them? The films

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Speaker 1: for next time?

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Speaker 2: Okay, next week's are bound to be lighter from the

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01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,080
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. We've gone down.

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01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:35,759
Speaker 1: A dark well for the beginning of the year.

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Speaker 2: But then we're going to lighten a ride up because

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Speaker 2: our next two films for next week are Superman two

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Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty and Grease Too from nineteen eighty two.

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01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:50,000
Speaker 1: Wow, I don't know, it might be dark. You might

1872
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:53,480
Speaker 1: have to hear my feelings about Christopher Reeve as Superman.

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01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 2: I promise not to bring up the Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: That's all I can say.

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01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 2: I can't promise that it won't be dark, but I

1876
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 2: will not bring up the war in the Ukraine on

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01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 2: this light entertainment podcast.

1878
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 1: Well listen, Daniel, was a fucking pleasure doing this podcast.

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01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 2: With you, always always. That was so fun.

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