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Speaker 1: Hey, Well, welcome in. I'm Doug Golliban. This is all ball,

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Speaker 1: all basketball, all the time, and great stories. Today we

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Speaker 1: have an all time great UM schoolboy legend, Shaye Cotton.

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Speaker 1: SHA's brother James played in the NBA, played Long Beach State.

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Speaker 1: Shame himself. Uh initially committed to U c l A,

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Speaker 1: then went to private school, then went to Long Beach City,

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Speaker 1: then went to Alabama and then never played in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: despite the fact he was in the cover of Sports

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Speaker 1: Illustrade when he's in eighth grade and this is a

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Speaker 1: four kg and Kobe and then others followed going straight

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Speaker 1: from high school to the pros. He was the chosen one.

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Speaker 1: He was supposed to be the next one. What happened?

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Speaker 1: What went wrong? Well, that's all we have the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Here's my discussion with Shaye Cotton. Um, I think I

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Speaker 1: want to start. You're in sixth grade, okay, and James

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Speaker 1: is what a freshman you were in sixth grade? My brother, Uh,

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Speaker 1: he was eighth grade. We were two about two and

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Speaker 1: a half years apart. Okay, So your brother, your brothers

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Speaker 1: in eight and you were in six. I think he was.

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Speaker 1: I think he was nine in years six because he was, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because he was my my class. And then I stayed

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Speaker 1: back and I practiced with you guys, and you had

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Speaker 1: like the best sixth grade team that's ever been created.

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Speaker 1: That's how I remember it. Who was you? J? J.

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Speaker 1: Hart uh Bukovich, David Castleton Um. But like so you

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Speaker 1: grew up and you're like, uh, your late father, remember

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Speaker 1: cowboy hat, cowboy boots, camera every game, you and your brother.

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Speaker 1: But what were your memories of early basketball at age fifth,

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Speaker 1: sixth grade? Playing yourself and watching your brother who man,

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Speaker 1: just wearing clothes that I couldn't really fit because I

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Speaker 1: the time, you know, just getting beat up. I remember

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Speaker 1: getting beat up a lot, you know, just playing with

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Speaker 1: was I was more more more competitive than a lot

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Speaker 1: just remember watching a lot of basketball, you know, seeing

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Speaker 1: my father get the camera, camera back ready for every game,

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Speaker 1: you know, working tirelessly. We're doing construction with him, you know,

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Speaker 1: leaving jobs, going home, shower and getting ready to go

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Speaker 1: that's what helped add to my add to my prowess.

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Speaker 1: You know, the work that I did with my father earlier,

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Speaker 1: I didn't really enjoy it, so I took it out

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Speaker 1: of my peers on the court. Wait, so your dad

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Speaker 1: of that job. Yeah. He taught me and my brother

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Speaker 1: you know, we we we definitely took it to heart,

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Speaker 1: So I didn't want to do that for a living.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna make sure I'll do this real good

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Speaker 1: So that was kind of my motivation at the time.

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is you know now that you

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Speaker 1: work with kids. I coached kids, and there are some

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Speaker 1: parents that are involved, but you know, like they can't

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Speaker 1: help themselves games, they're yelling at their kids whatever. Your

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Speaker 1: dad wasn't like that at least. Again, I was an

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Speaker 1: to the message. He was more about, you know, accountability

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Speaker 1: so for people forget you were the year behind KG,

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Speaker 1: I think we had just finished maybe a holiday tournament

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Speaker 1: All the national writers you know, were aware of me.

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Speaker 1: Right just the more you win, they can't stop talking

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Speaker 1: to my first dirty days. I tell the story all

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Speaker 1: we did about committee and we had a great team

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Speaker 1: of some of my best years. My sophomore year. I

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Speaker 1: one of the colleges that I committed to. So without

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Speaker 1: giving up any names, you can can fill in the

430
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Speaker 1: blanks by watching the documentary. Is just kind of putting

431
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Speaker 1: everything together, know with the sequence of events in my

432
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: career how it kind of came together. But I think

433
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, there was a lot

434
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Speaker 1: of money loss when I left Long Reach, that lost

435
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Speaker 1: close to three million dollars in TV revenue. Every game

436
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 1: was on ESPN, the others were on Fox, so it

437
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 1: was a no braind you know, they Long Beach would

438
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Speaker 1: have propelled from that mid major tier possibly into the

439
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Speaker 1: next realm and really been able to uh captivate audiences

440
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 1: and get national talent at a five star level year

441
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Speaker 1: or a year out probably from that point on. So

442
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,719
Speaker 1: a lot of things were effected from that, which I

443
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Speaker 1: was aware of after the fact. But there was a

444
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Speaker 1: conditional release on the terms of my release and I

445
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: wasn't aware of that. So when when when when I

446
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Speaker 1: decided to go to u c l A. They didn't

447
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: like that too much. And uh, a lot of things changed,

448
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: whether it came from the college that I left or

449
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 1: the powers that be. Something happened that shouldn't happen. So

450
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Speaker 1: so they say, your your test is invalidate. You've been

451
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Speaker 1: taking summer school in East hillern Way my opson. I said, Man,

452
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Speaker 1: I don't want to go to DUCO. I don't want

453
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Speaker 1: my college cock to start, you know. I think I

454
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 1: need to do some homework. Called some prep schools, you know.

455
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: I was aware of Smith down there Oakhill in Virginia,

456
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: but they didn't take post graduates at the time. So

457
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: I looked into some schools in the northeast. I looked

458
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Speaker 1: at Milford Academy, where Marlburry's brother was playing Zack. There

459
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: was a few other schools, Hardgrave down in Virginia. UM

460
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Speaker 1: I looked at the same time, it's more Connecticut and

461
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Speaker 1: I think the main central of the Maine and I

462
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Speaker 1: decided to go to the same time. It's more Connecticut

463
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Speaker 1: because it was in the tri State. I knew that

464
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Speaker 1: I played well there I would get a lot of

465
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Speaker 1: exposure on the East Coast and uh, you know, draw

466
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Speaker 1: the likes of ESPN. And my goal there was to

467
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Speaker 1: get have have an interview done, you know, have to

468
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Speaker 1: have a special done from ESPN while I'm in prep

469
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Speaker 1: school to help drive my demand to basically able to

470
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Speaker 1: go to any college of my choice. So I played

471
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Speaker 1: well enough in the knapsack, I let the knapsack and

472
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Speaker 1: scoring coach Jerry Quinn coach me. Uh, he's still there today.

473
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Speaker 1: We had a big time roster on our on our

474
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Speaker 1: on our team, all five of our guys who d

475
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Speaker 1: want our starters. Um, I had a great uh asle

476
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Speaker 1: Jing's brother Lewill, who played at you kind of transferred

477
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Speaker 1: to Fairfield Charles Cranford, New York, ID it went to St.

478
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: Louis University, played for coach Romar down there. Um we

479
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Speaker 1: had another kids, Hard Gordon who played at COW who's

480
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: an Israelian kid. There was our guard Rusty I think

481
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: he may have played D two ball in Tennessee somewhere.

482
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Speaker 1: And then we had another guy who wanted to playing

483
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Speaker 1: at g W. My roommate Mike King, who was the

484
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: off guard out of Baltimore so we had a squat.

485
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Speaker 1: I mean we lost the m c I in the end,

486
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: but I mean we we blew most teams out the knapsack.

487
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Speaker 1: And you know, I was just on a tear because

488
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: I was piste off quite friendly then in prep school

489
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Speaker 1: knowing that I did wouldn't need to know what it

490
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Speaker 1: took it in the classroom, and I was going through

491
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Speaker 1: all these things that I didn't really ask for. I

492
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: just want to go out and kill everything in front

493
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Speaker 1: of me. Okay, So uh then what then? What was

494
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Speaker 1: the decision like in terms of college, Well, I was

495
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Speaker 1: re recruited all over again, so I took a few visits.

496
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: I went to Syracuse. When I was there, obviously Yukon

497
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: was right in the street, so I took a visit

498
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Speaker 1: to Yukon. I was re recruited by Georgia Tech heavily,

499
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Speaker 1: as well as NC State, and then you know, uh,

500
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: some other schools trying back in along the way. I

501
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: was getting recruited by a SEC schools Alabama and some

502
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: others as well, and I decided to go to NC

503
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Speaker 1: State out of prep school because I wanted to play

504
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Speaker 1: in a SEC. Georgia Tech was recruiting Olharington really heavily.

505
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,959
Speaker 1: Bobby Crimes basically told me I would have to commit

506
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Speaker 1: to them without taking the visit because it looks like

507
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: al maybe going there if he doesn't go to the NBA.

508
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: And I said, coach, you know, I gotta take a

509
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Speaker 1: visit to the school first before I decided to commit.

510
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Speaker 1: So I chose NC State rather than Georgia Tech. I

511
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: was excited. They were excited. They felt they had the

512
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Speaker 1: next best thing since David Thompson delayed. Great and uh,

513
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to it. Before you know it,

514
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: things changed. Evidently they were getting heat from n c T.

515
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Speaker 1: From what I understand, the coaching staff, the whole coaching

516
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: staff went the bat for me, but the head coach

517
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: at the time, and we decided to go in a

518
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: different direction and I opened up my thing again. Came

519
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: home with the local city college. Played a juco year,

520
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: one like thirty seven games in a row, average over

521
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: thirty game. I was one of the top jucho players

522
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Speaker 1: in the state. And I decided to sign with Alabama

523
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: and the SEC played for Mark Godfrey, who was a

524
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Speaker 1: former assistant under Jim herricka U c l A. So

525
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: that was my tie and going there, and the goal

526
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: was to be one of the top players in the

527
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Speaker 1: SEC and ideally do my work in one year and

528
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: then go to the league. So that was the agreement. Okay,

529
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: here's that funny. But so Godfrey, my sister was a

530
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Speaker 1: cheerler U c l a che babysitter kid. So when

531
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Speaker 1: I was sitting out between the other Dame and open

532
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: in the state, Alabama was recruiting me. Hardy named Dave

533
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: Hobbs the coach. So I visited Alabama and I get

534
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: back in Godfrey calls hi me. He's the head coach

535
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: at Murray State and he's like, what do you think

536
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: of my school? Because you know he played there? And

537
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: I go, Man, it was awesome. It was amazing place.

538
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: I really really liked that I go. But man, I

539
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: don't know if Dave Hobbs can keep that job. Like

540
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: no one had anything great. He just a great guy.

541
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: But the program is not. Crazy's like, you should go

542
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: there and I'll coach you. I was like, we talked

543
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: about it's like, I'll be the coach there next year.

544
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: Sure enough, he was the coach there the next year.

545
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: It's crazy. So okay, let's let's go to like longbe City. Okay,

546
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: Like again, I'm trying to establish for people who are

547
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: outside of Southern California and not our age people to understand. Okay,

548
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: you are a high school probably you are as close

549
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: to what Lebron was in high school as we had

550
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: ever had. We've had some great players like um. But

551
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, you you go to prep school out of sight,

552
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: out of myne and you come back now you're at

553
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Speaker 1: Long Beach City. Were you living at home when when

554
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: you're when you're playing Lot City? Yeah? I meanwhile, your

555
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: brother fighting to stay in the NBA, right, Like that

556
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: had to be that had to be crazy for you

557
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: to be that. Why didn't you just go prone? Because

558
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to college. You know the thing

559
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: is I would like to set up. They wanted me

560
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: to go to the c b A, And you know,

561
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: I kind of looked down on the cb at the time.

562
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, CPS kind of inject situation.

563
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: You know, if you're not good enough, you just go

564
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: here and own your skills and try to get in

565
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: and whatnot. And they had a plan that they were

566
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: trying to do. What the ever trying to get me

567
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: into the cb A and have me play there for

568
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: a moment in time, develop a little bit, and then

569
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: basically called me up. In other words, I think that's

570
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: what they were going to do, and uh, I wasn't

571
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: really aware. You know, my parents went basketball people. You know,

572
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: my agent at the time when I decided to go Hardship,

573
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: uh Mark Fleisher, felt that that I would be drafted

574
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: in the first round. I talked to a few different scouts.

575
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: They said mid Ley first when I came out of school. So,

576
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, we felt pretty confident about about my career

577
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: as far as professionally, and things just kind of spired

578
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: out of control. Everything just changed. There was a big

579
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: foreign influx in the draft that year. There were some

580
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: European guys that got picked out of the blue that

581
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 1: guys didn't anticipate, and a lot of things changed, you know,

582
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: from that process. While my brother was fighting to stay

583
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: in the NBA, I was fighting trying to even get in.

584
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: And you know, meanwhile I left Alabama doug after one

585
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: season from from finishing in Longpe City. I was a

586
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: sophomore coming out of college going into the pro ranks.

587
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: I was All SEC second team. I let my team

588
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: in scoring. I started every game you know, I had

589
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: games where I dropped forty in the preseason. But what

590
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: people don't realize is that Alabama, I wasn't playing the

591
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: three like we agreed to. I was playing the four.

592
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: So our big man at the power Forwest but had

593
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: got hurt to was Nia, so he was pretty much

594
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: out for the season and I was doing a guy

595
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: with pretty much college experience, so he decided to put

596
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: me on the block. You know, it just kind of

597
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: take the chances, and it changed that the course of

598
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: my career because it really hurts my opportunities professionally because

599
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: scouts the recruited me didn't get a chance to really

600
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: get to see my talent because I was pretty much

601
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: being hidden at good time. That's interesting because now the four,

602
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: like there is no more power forward right Like now

603
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: he'd be he'd be a he'd be just a two

604
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: or three four where I just play kind of whatever. Um, okay,

605
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: so you're getting ready for the draft. What what was

606
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: the knock on you? What was the was it? Was

607
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: it shooting because of your shoulder? Was it everything else?

608
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: Because you could always score and you're a great asplect

609
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: So what was the what do you believe was held

610
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: against you that hurt your drafts. Well, I don't think.

611
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: I don't think my co spoke highly on me, you know,

612
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: in my character when it came to these gms and stuff,

613
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: when it was when it was time to do the

614
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,239
Speaker 1: interviews and things like that. I think my chest I

615
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: did really well the pre draft, you know it off

616
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: the charts. I had the strongest second bench press. I

617
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: think I did thirty one reps in a minute that

618
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: will we lifted to twenty five at the time or

619
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: whatever it was me and justin I think I think

620
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: I called I think basketball did won eighty five but yeah,

621
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: yeah something, whatever it was. It was like the second

622
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: best in in the camp. And then I had the

623
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 1: highest for I think I did forty one and a

624
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: half straight up with no steps. Yeah, interest and uh

625
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: killed the one on one training. I was destroying everybody.

626
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: And then we got to the team thing and I

627
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: was playing with a J. Guiden. Bill Cartwright was our coach. Um.

628
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: It was just a bad set up. I mean a

629
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: J was shooting the ball way too much. You know,

630
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: Bill was letting do what he wanted to do. And

631
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: I said, man, this is a set up right here.

632
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: I could see it a j was a Chicago kid.

633
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: He wanted to getting drafted to the Bulls played in Indiana,

634
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: so it was that kind of Midwest connection on our team,

635
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: and it kind of messed up our chemistry with some

636
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: of our other players. Me and Chris Porter were were

637
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: the two guys that played, you know, pretty much down

638
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: low on that on that squad, and we were battleting

639
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 1: out there. Man, It's it is literally politics and a crapshoot.

640
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: You got guys that have the big time agents and

641
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: then you've got guys that's just fighting, just trying to

642
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: make it, and that's kind of like the balance that

643
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: you have in that in that dynamic. And I think

644
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: for me after that, it was just kind of like

645
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: the handwrights on the wall, this experience doesn't feel good,

646
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna have to go and go to Europe

647
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: or something. So I kind of started to feel in

648
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: certain ways before we even finished the pre draft. So

649
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: by the time I got home, I didn't really have

650
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: a good experience about the way I felt about my chances.

651
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: So when the draft came around, I was home. You know,

652
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: I think me and my brother wouldn't grab some buffalo

653
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: wings from Legends, right, her local and long beach. My

654
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: trainer was with me, a d H. The agent came

655
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: over and in my family. It was very small, you know,

656
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: we sat and watched the draft. It was very humbling experience.

657
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: When I didn't get drafted, I walked outside. I stayed

658
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: very quiet and walked around my neighborhood and cried like

659
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: a baby. In that process, I said to myself, I'm

660
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: gonna pursue my professional career no matter where I have

661
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: to play. I know I have talent and I'm gonna

662
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: play wherever you know I can. I can make money

663
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: until I can't play more. And that was my mentality.

664
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: It's it was like trying to get back to the

665
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: NBA was an uphill battle that you know, I was

666
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: never able to conquer. And finally, at thirty years old,

667
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: I decided to to walk away from the game. My

668
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: daughter was conceived, and then the documentary came into existence

669
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: shortly after. So the match Up documentary is something that

670
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: people need to take serious because the thing about my

671
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: film is I did it the right way. I was

672
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: better than most people, and if it happened to me,

673
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: it could happen anyway. So it's lessons in this film

674
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: that have nothing to do with basketball. It's it's integrity,

675
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: in steadfastness and in brazilience. Okay, so help me out though. Okay,

676
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: so you don't get drafted, Yeah, then what what's the

677
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: what's the first basketball you play after not getting drafted?

678
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: I go into the CBA, I believe played with Super

679
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: Fall Scott Force, which is one of the top Did

680
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: you play Did you play summer league? Because there was

681
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: a long beach state then right, and he had just

682
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: crea summer league and then you had teams you remember

683
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: what you did summer league the NBA. I think I

684
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: may have played with the Clippers. That something I believe,

685
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: and I think Dennis Johnson with the coach, we had

686
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: a really good team. I played really well in summer league.

687
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: He had a meeting with me halfway through the summer

688
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: league and said that he would signed me. You know,

689
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: he loves my game. A tough, strong athletic, you know,

690
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: never had an opportunity and he wants to sign me

691
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: because that was that was a plan. Well, the next

692
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: day they fired him in some league and I'm saying

693
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: to myself, man, where are the chances this never happens?

694
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: So it was just ongoing after that, duck. So I

695
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: went from the Clippers right into opportunity in Europe, planning

696
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: in Yugoslavia at the time which you served your now

697
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: KK partisan had a great experience played against that river.

698
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: Oh I don't don't, don't bloss over. There's a lot

699
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: of things here. Okay. So your how old when you

700
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: go up when you go to I believe I was

701
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: about nineteen. I believe you almost twenty. Okay, so you're

702
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: twenty years old. What do you remember about landing in

703
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: doll Grade? Man? It was it was a much different

704
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: world then. I think we we were at war shortly

705
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: shortly before that. So they had buildings that we had

706
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: bombomed that they never really tore down and remodeled. And

707
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: you know it was an older country. Um that the

708
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: family family members there, they had a lot of pride.

709
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: Uh my team had a lot of pride. I noticed

710
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: that there was a poverty line there that that was

711
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: either half or half not. There was no little glass.

712
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: There was a culture, a culture shop. Um. There was

713
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: a language barrier. But it took about thirty days to

714
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: get acclimated, to be honest, and once I made the transition,

715
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: I fell in love the people had a great experience.

716
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: I think I have a lot of friends and fans.

717
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: They're still today and they've done well over the years.

718
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: Uh bloody deep. I owned the team. We had the

719
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: same agent, Mark Flasher, so that was Italian and it

720
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: was a good business deal. But playing wise, I didn't

721
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: have a good experience. I played well, and then when

722
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: you played for three games, and I'm saying to myself,

723
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: if I'm in the league, not only am I getting

724
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: more minutes, I'm putting myself in a position to make

725
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: more money. So people need to understand the international grind.

726
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: It's much different than playing in the US. So it's

727
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: a really good thing that they have the G League

728
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: for guys I've been coming on you get down and partisan,

729
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,959
Speaker 1: then get done with partisan that I'm a free agent

730
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: all over them looking to find a home. From that

731
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: point on, it was just like pretty much like a

732
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: different country the season. You know, I played in Serbia

733
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: to start, played in uh France, I played in Greece,

734
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: I did Italy. It played in Venezuela, played through China,

735
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, different areas. I mean Mexico, all the minor

736
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: league circuits USB, L, n B, D l C, b a.

737
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: You know, I did all those all those circuits. I

738
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: tapped everything, all the build trouters. It toil until I

739
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: basically exhausted my repertoire. What was your favorite experience different

740
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: places for different reasons. I like Italy. I like Vennis,

741
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, riding the ganders and stuff, being able to

742
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: play in the better time, CALIBERTI very professional organization. UM.

743
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: I like Greece for different reasons. The visuals, the water

744
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: and stuff. You know. I could appreciate France. It was

745
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: the clean country. I love pastries and stuff. So the

746
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: bakery was I smell it every morning at five in

747
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: the mornings. I enjoyed that, you know, playing right outside

748
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: of Paris and Vennis. Well, probably because of the weather,

749
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, I think that the cuisine is healthy and

750
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: very attractive women at the time, so that was always nice,

751
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, to to go outside and see beautiful women

752
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: walking up and down the street. You know. Just the

753
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: experience to be able to travel the internationally, I think

754
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: you grow a lot more than you do just traveling domestic,

755
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: no question. Um. Worst experience, yeah, worst experience, UM, probably

756
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: going to the Middle East to play. Uh. Three weeks

757
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: later on my payment, they helped me over twenty dollars um.

758
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: This is any round at the time, and this is

759
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: a reward in Afghanistan. So most people were scared you

760
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: to get on that play. I said, they got some

761
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: money for me, I gotta go get it. So getting

762
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: over there, there were three weeks lay on the payment.

763
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: I was really frustrated. There was a pattern neath the

764
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: goal that usually supposed to be padded. It was kind

765
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: of wrapped around and uh it was a metal plate behind.

766
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 1: I was frustrated on the plate the reft and called

767
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: the foul and I hit the thing with my fists

768
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: and I just my hand just swallow up like a

769
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: grape fruit. Man. I broke upon and in my pinking

770
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: right here, and uh, I was done. Man. I told

771
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: the people said, look give me with give me what

772
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: you'r me. I'm out of here. This is a professional

773
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: you know. They said, well, you breached the contract, you know,

774
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So they gave me like a portion

775
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: of the money and we severed the ties. And I

776
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: came back home and I said, I can't believe this.

777
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: You know, people don't realize the way we do business

778
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: in America. It's taken for granted a lot of times

779
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: until you get in the worst situation. It makes you appreciate,

780
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: you know, the way we do things. And yea, I

781
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: learned a lot at that time. I said, Man, you

782
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: know there's places in the world that are like nightmares,

783
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: and and you won't know unless you go. You know,

784
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: you gotta take the opportunity. And this team had a

785
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: lot of money. I mean, they were one of the

786
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: bigger teams in the round. They made to push your

787
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: car for the country of the round, So they had

788
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: the manufacturing plant on our grounds where we were practiced.

789
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: And I'm saying in myself, They're sitting on all this

790
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: money and they're not even being professional. So I was

791
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: really upset about that experience. So I came home, you know,

792
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: healed up. And then while they're playing, uh, I believe

793
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: in the USBO for a little while, until I went

794
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: back to Venezuela. UM young him up. At thirty you

795
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 1: had this this documentary starting. What's it like though, now

796
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: over ten years later, when you hear like you see

797
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: yourself on screen. You know how talented you were and

798
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: you have never played at that highest level? What is

799
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: that like inside of emptiness? You know, to have all

800
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: this talent and to play against the best of the

801
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: pretty much rained supreme but most of most of the

802
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: country for several years and then they have an opportunity

803
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: to play Pro bole and basically just be a slap

804
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: in the face. You know. It was like, how did

805
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: I get here? You know, you have all this talent,

806
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: then you have all these trials and tribulations, and you

807
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: know a lot of my peers had smooth ride and

808
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: they were the ones doing doing all the dirt, but

809
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: they're coming after me, and I got to tack for it.

810
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like I felt slightly to my

811
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: pro career, you know, and I gave. I gave everything

812
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: I had wherever I played. It didn't matter that I'm

813
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: just playing on the line and when it's over, it's over.

814
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: Because you know, very few people get a chance to

815
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: play pro ball, let alone go to the NBA. So

816
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: I looked at that as a blessing, being able to

817
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: play Pro one pro eight ball. You know, Europe is

818
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: the second best league in the world next to the NBA.

819
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm traveling to all the main countries and

820
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I soaked all of that up.

821
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: It took that experience, you know, seriously, but it was

822
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: tough every year being a free agent, trying to find

823
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: a home that's not a that's not a comfortable space

824
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: to live. Um, if you were to advise an up

825
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: and coming superstar, okay, who's physically dominant and has to

826
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: put together the right skill set and mentality to make

827
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: it to go through, and I understand it's very different,

828
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: right understand, You've got now you got like overtime and Lead,

829
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: which is like a paid prep school. Then you have

830
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: the legally plus you can go straight out or you

831
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: go to college. But just in terms of developing your game,

832
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: how would you advise them? What would what would you

833
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: do differently? Um? Great question. I would probably do most

834
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: of the things the saying I think, Uh, if I

835
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: had to do anything differently, obviously would have left out

836
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: of high school going what I know now, you know,

837
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have went through that tumultuous experience. But you know,

838
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Dug, you know, God

839
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: has me where I was supposed to be at and

840
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: I had to be at peace with that. I had

841
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: to find peace in that. So what I would tell

842
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: kids today, just focus on your craft, be more of

843
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: a student. A lot of guys are talented, they're very skilled. Um,

844
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't think the toughness is would have used to

845
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: be with the majority of the kids. I think we

846
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: had less opportunities, so we played with more passion and

847
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: uh we had a different level of hunger because there

848
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: was less teams, less opportunities. I think kids today need

849
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: to be more students. I think they need to work

850
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: on their weaknesses and not listen to people as much

851
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: as far as rankings and all of that, worried about

852
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: what a you team to plan on. The reality is this,

853
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: if you're good enough, they're gonna find there's rulers of opportunities.

854
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: Now you mentioned you know over Timing League, You've got

855
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Speaker 1: the G League, you bet numerous opportunities. You go to Australia,

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Speaker 1: played Italy. You know, Brandon Jenny's played with lout of

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Speaker 1: Grammatica that year before he came into the NBA and

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Speaker 1: made about a half million dollars. So there's a ton

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Speaker 1: of opportunities for kids. When you're on the radar, all

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Speaker 1: you gotta do is be consistent, stay out of trouble,

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Speaker 1: and stay healthy and keep working. Um, what's actually it?

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of stuff that on the doctor

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Speaker 1: right now. In the process of building the community center,

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Speaker 1: I just got my go ahead with my my foundation.

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Speaker 1: We've got our nonprofit status of place. Um, there's talk

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Speaker 1: of a docuseries. There's a lot of stuff going. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna do a tour going up to Sacramento next month.

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Speaker 1: UH to do a grass screening experience for some high

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Speaker 1: school teams and show the Match Out documentary, to do

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Speaker 1: a Q and A. And that's something we're gonna start

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Speaker 1: doing now. I'm gonna do select grassroots screens throughout the country.

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Speaker 1: How do you You were very fortunate your dad was

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Speaker 1: always there for you. You know, your dad would take

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Speaker 1: it any game, would would support you. But the lots

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Speaker 1: of kids that don't have that sort of support system,

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Speaker 1: And there are people around them that some people around

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Speaker 1: them because they're good people, some people around them because

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Speaker 1: they just want to be the actions. Right, you've lived

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Speaker 1: that life when you're the next thing and people are

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Speaker 1: trying to get into your life and try and be

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Speaker 1: part of your future. How do you know who's real

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Speaker 1: and who's not? Great question? UM, I think that's tested

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Speaker 1: the diversity. You know, you know what you have with people.

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Speaker 1: When when you need somebody and everybody's your friend with

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Speaker 1: things are going good, I think that's a false pretense.

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Speaker 1: So you have to test your relations shipped through the

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Speaker 1: adversities of life. And I got a chance to see

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Speaker 1: that does when I told my shoulder up, everything changed.

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Speaker 1: The crowds of people that are around, they just kind

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Speaker 1: of went went into other spaces and started chasing other people.

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Speaker 1: And I started to see, like, you know, Okay, my

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Speaker 1: mother's here, my father's here, my brother's here, and this

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Speaker 1: is what I have to rely with everything on the outside,

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Speaker 1: it's more facide. These people that I come into contact,

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Speaker 1: they're more of acquaintances. They're not really friends right their opportunistic.

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Speaker 1: So I would tell kids today, keep your surface small,

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Speaker 1: you know, stay close to the people that that love

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Speaker 1: you and care about you, want the best for you,

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Speaker 1: and you know, set your goals high. Uh. How can

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Speaker 1: somebody see the man Shold documentary right now? Develop on

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Speaker 1: on all streaming platforms. It's on iTunes, it's on Amazon

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Speaker 1: Prime Video. For people that that don't don't want to pay,

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Speaker 1: you could do to be TV, which is a really

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Speaker 1: hot opportunity right now. The way they have the streaming

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Speaker 1: and uh, you go get it. I mean it's available

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Speaker 1: right now. You guys won't regret it. It's powerful, so

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Speaker 1: we'll recommend everybody to see it. Listen. I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: joining me. It's uh, it's something everybody's talking about. And

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Speaker 1: obviously you're a guy of stream. Respect for you in

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Speaker 1: your entire family. I really appreciate you on me on

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Speaker 1: the pot. Thank you, Doug. I appreciate it too, man.

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Speaker 1: All the best. All right, A lot to unpack there.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I want you to do. Feel free to

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Speaker 1: hit me up on Twitter about questions about Shay. I'll

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Speaker 1: share with you my thoughts next time at Gottlieb Show. Also,

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Speaker 1: we get the Facebook page as well. We'll put it

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Speaker 1: up everywhere you ask your question. I'll give you my thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Give my thoughts. In the meantime, make sure you tell

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Speaker 1: friends about this pod. Download, subscribe, rate, write a review,

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Speaker 1: um and oh yeah. By the way, you can listen

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Speaker 1: to The Doug Gottlieb Show every day three to six

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Speaker 1: eastern twelve three Pacific on I Heart Radio or the

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio app. In the meantime, I thanks to

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Speaker 1: Shake Cotton for joining me. I'm Doug Gottlieban. This is

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