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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of great, good American people just

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Speaker 1: it's an opportunity to get together with family, which is

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Speaker 7: For example, every year I go to my local cemetery

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Speaker 2: You know, most of the Jan sixers we've spoke to

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Speaker 1: You had a question, sorry, Well, Gabe, we've used the

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Speaker 7: Well, one of them is definitely Anthony Fuscal. He's a

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Speaker 1: Gabe, you got about thirty seconds share with the American

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Speaker 7: Just keep both contact with those that our veterans. They

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Speaker 1: It can be so simple.

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Speaker 2: Captain Gabe Garcia, turn your head sideway so we can

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Speaker 1: And we love your shirt. You stay, Ladies and.

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Speaker 9: Gentlemen, I'll turn you can see it.

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Speaker 7: So this is a veteran organization that helps.

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Speaker 1: Now we got it, We got it. We got to

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Speaker 1: This one's very special, and it's special for a couple

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Cowboy Logic for the first time. Man, I

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Speaker 10: Yeah, So, after nine to eleven happened my brother, my

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Speaker 1: And I tell you what if, if my assessment is correct,

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Speaker 10: Memorial Day is a reminder to remember your oath to

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Speaker 2: the other side, You've had the chance to go over

440
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Speaker 2: and see what communism and Marxism can do and totalitarianism

441
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: can do, and you're bound to not let it happen

442
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: here and again. To be incarcerated as well on top

443
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Speaker 2: of it all, and to stay so strong is just

444
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Speaker 2: to me an inspiration quite honestly.

445
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Speaker 10: Well, they you know, I think they thought that they

446
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 10: could throw me in a box and keep me in

447
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 10: solitary confinement for years on end and I would break.

448
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Speaker 3: But what they failed to realize is all they did

449
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Speaker 3: was make me stronger. You know, to truly.

450
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Speaker 10: Find out who you are as a man, you've got

451
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 10: to spend a lot of time by yourself with no distractions.

452
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 10: And they gave me a lot of time to find

453
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Speaker 10: out who Joe Biggs was and who I wasn't and

454
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Speaker 10: what I was willing to fight for. And I was

455
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Speaker 10: going to let this government break me. You know, the

456
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 10: country didn't screw me over I want to make that clear.

457
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 10: The government that was falsely installed was responsible for that.

458
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 10: Joe Biden and his auto pen and Hunter Biden and

459
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Speaker 10: Nancy Pelosi and all the others that helped you know,

460
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Speaker 10: overthrow the government who actually cond actually committed to dicious conspiracy.

461
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Speaker 10: So you know, my deep is with those individuals not

462
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 10: the country as a whole. I owe my life to

463
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Speaker 10: this country. This country has given me the freedoms I love.

464
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Speaker 10: And even now without having a lot of freedoms, because

465
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Speaker 10: I'm still a convicted terrorist, I have not received a pardon.

466
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Speaker 10: I'm still going to keep my head hell high and

467
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 10: I'm still going to ride my motorcycle up and down

468
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Speaker 10: the streets with a smile on my face, with you know,

469
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 10: with with T shirts that trigger leftists all the time.

470
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 10: I'm still going to go out and engage in debate

471
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Speaker 10: with people and let them know that I have not

472
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Speaker 10: been defeated. I don't care what you say to me.

473
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Speaker 10: You can laugh, Oh, you're not part and all, you're solitarius.

474
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Speaker 10: You know what, Well, then I'm going to be your

475
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Speaker 10: worst nightmare, you know. So you know, and I say

476
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 10: that with you know, no kind of threat, but just

477
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Speaker 10: in the sense that, you know what, if that's what

478
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Speaker 10: I'm gonna be that, I'm going to embrace it, and

479
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 10: I'm gonna keep my head held high. And my daughter's

480
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 10: gonna walk to school and go, yeah, that's my dad.

481
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 10: And you know, people in the neighborhood are gonna come

482
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Speaker 10: up and shake my hand because you know, what they're

483
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Speaker 10: There's a guy who's going to stand up and fight,

484
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Speaker 10: and I'm going to and I'm not going to stop.

485
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Speaker 3: So it is what it is.

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Speaker 10: You can throw whatever names you want at me, but

487
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 10: I'm still here and I'm still gonna kick ass.

488
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Speaker 2: And yeah, with those people, you'd be the first one

489
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Speaker 2: to stand up and defend them. That's what that's what's

490
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Speaker 2: so amazing about it.

491
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Speaker 1: Joe, you got hammered on your sentence being a proud

492
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Speaker 1: boy seventeen years?

493
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Speaker 3: Is am?

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Speaker 1: I correct on that?

495
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Speaker 3: Yeah, seventeen years. They wanted I think thirty two or

496
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Speaker 3: thirty six.

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Speaker 10: They were appealing that the prosecutors are angry and said

498
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Speaker 10: the judgment too light on me.

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Speaker 3: I highly disagree.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we got a couple of minutes left. Who

501
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Speaker 1: We use the term carry the load a lot on

502
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Speaker 1: our show. I carry the load for the Aaron Vaughan family,

503
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: one of the Navy seals that lost his life in

504
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: extortion one seven every Memorial Day. Who are some of

505
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: the families that you're carrying the load for?

506
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Speaker 9: Wow?

507
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 10: I mean, I like, based on you know, my my answer,

508
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Speaker 10: I've already given and I feel like I think as

509
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Speaker 10: a veteran, we carry the load for all the families

510
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 10: of those that lost someone. You know, I think that

511
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 10: you know, not just people I personally knew, like you

512
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 10: know you and you know Pfc. Euan or Squires or

513
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 10: any of these guys you know that were you know,

514
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 10: brutally taken away too soon. I feel like as a

515
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Speaker 10: veteran and then as American, we should be carrying the

516
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Speaker 10: load for all of those right now who can't. We

517
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 10: should be uplifting those people's families. We should be raising

518
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 10: money for those individuals. We should be calling in and

519
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 10: checking in on the families that have lost loved ones

520
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 10: in combat and lost lost their lives due to the

521
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Speaker 10: effects of combat. I mean, most of the scars that

522
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 10: we take overseas or are hidden.

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Speaker 3: You know, I after.

524
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 10: Multiple years, four years in hard combat and then four

525
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 10: years in prison, I've got a lot of issues and

526
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 10: I can't even go to the VA without having the

527
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 10: police called on me. So, you know, there's a lot

528
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 10: of us out there that that need help, and I

529
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 10: think the best thing that we can do to carry

530
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 10: that load is a simple text and a simple call.

531
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Speaker 10: You know, you need to reach out to your brothers

532
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 10: that are still there, and you need to reach out

533
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 10: to the family member, to those that lost someone, and go, look,

534
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 10: we're still there. We're still carrying that load for you.

535
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 10: We're still here fighting. So and let him know that

536
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 10: you love him and you care about him, and that

537
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 10: goes a long way.

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00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes the simplest thing is all that's needed,

539
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: right Joe, the simplest thing, just a text message, Joe,

540
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: it's an honor to finally have you on Cowboy Logic

541
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: with us, Sir. For those of you that have been

542
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: following Joe, know that we are going to have him back,

543
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: probably for a solid hour to really get into what

544
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: happened to him over the last four years. But Joe,

545
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: we appreciate your service. We're indebted to you, sir. Ladies

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00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, we will be back with more. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Joe.

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00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to the J

549
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Speaker 1: six Combat Veteran Memorial Day Special.

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Speaker 2: You know, I know Memorial Day has passed, but we've

551
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: always called it Memorial May, and it kind of threw

552
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: us for a loop this year because you know, it

553
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 2: was kind of last week.

554
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: Yes, it continues, it fell early this year, but you

555
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: know the reality is this every day ought to be

556
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Speaker 1: Memorial Day every day.

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00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: We've got a good brother that you guys recognized the

560
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: last time he was on he was wearing a nice

561
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Speaker 1: beaver and uh. But we've got Luke Denny and uh Luke.

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Speaker 1: First of all, just remind everybody, uh and for those

563
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: that are tuning in for the first time, a little

564
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: bit about your military service, the branch, when you served,

565
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: and where you were involved in. What we've been saying

566
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: is hot lead flying.

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Speaker 9: So I was as a us nlitary.

568
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Speaker 11: I did four and a half years, did one long

569
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Speaker 11: tour in Iraq two thousand and five and two thousand

570
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Speaker 11: and six. I was injured in Iraq in two thousand

571
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Speaker 11: and six in a in a chase that we were

572
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 11: in a chase on we had a we were patrolling

573
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 11: the Iraq Iranian border because of the we have problems

574
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 11: with all the ID components coming over across from Iran

575
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Speaker 11: because that's where most of them were coming across Iranian

576
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Speaker 11: Revolutionary Guard.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

578
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Speaker 9: So that's what I did. I got out a little

579
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 9: bit early because my injury. I had a fit. My

580
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 9: fifth rib was broken, my.

581
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Speaker 11: Was fractured, and all the cartilage on the right side

582
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Speaker 11: of my rib cap were torn.

583
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Speaker 9: So it was a pretty bad, bad injury and I

584
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Speaker 9: worked another two days after that injury. Pain just got so.

585
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Speaker 11: Bad, passed out and they ended up calling a helicopter

586
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Speaker 11: to come get me to take me to the hospital.

587
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 11: We didn't have a hospital where I was that because

588
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 11: we were on a small, top secret pop But yes,

589
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Speaker 11: that's my story.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you you were in the army. You were

591
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: an MP y were you not MP?

592
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Speaker 9: Is there a long training and EMP court?

593
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're not going to get a whole lot

594
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Speaker 1: into J six now, but the fact that you were

595
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Speaker 1: an MP initially was a major problem for you when

596
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Speaker 1: you went into the Federal Bureau of Prisons in any

597
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Speaker 1: of these jails. But then all of a sudden, everybody

598
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: was like, whoa MP. What would you like in your coffee?

599
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Speaker 9: Sir? All right, well I had to out on one.

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Speaker 1: Exactly good because you were label law enforcement, right.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: Memorial Day, as we've been talking to all of the

603
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Speaker 1: guys about, sadly, is often looked at as a celebratory holiday,

604
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Speaker 1: and in no way is it and it's not intentionally

605
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Speaker 1: looked that way by the American people or many of

606
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Speaker 1: the American people. They just don't know what does Memorial

607
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Speaker 1: Day mean to you? As throughout the entire month, sometimes

608
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Speaker 1: throughout the entire year, but specifically Memorial Day, What does

609
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Speaker 1: that mean to you? Luke Denny a combat vet.

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Speaker 11: So I did lose a couple of really good friends

611
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Speaker 11: over in Iraq. One of them I helped to get

612
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 11: recruited into the arm got in because of me, looked

613
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,959
Speaker 11: up to me and went in and uh.

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Speaker 9: He ended up getting killed over there. Memorial Day, I

615
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 9: believe it's a day.

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Speaker 11: It's a day to appreciate these guys who who got killed.

617
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Speaker 11: When you go in the military, you know, you know

618
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Speaker 11: that there's a chance that you're going to get killed

619
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 11: in war, in wartime, but you never think it's going

620
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Speaker 11: to happen to you.

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Speaker 9: So you just never Even with me, I never thought

622
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Speaker 9: that it was happening.

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Speaker 11: There was times that I didn't think that I was

624
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Speaker 11: going to make it back, but really didn't think that

625
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Speaker 11: it was going to happen.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 9: Memorial Day, it's it's celebrating.

628
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Speaker 11: These people's, these these soldiers and marines and and uh,

629
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Speaker 11: it's celebrating lives, but it's also the lives that they led,

630
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Speaker 11: and that it's celebrating that their courage and their patriotism

631
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Speaker 11: that they joined the military.

632
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Speaker 9: But it's all also a day of morning.

633
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Speaker 11: Yeah, so whenever you're having these big barbecues and stuff

634
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 11: and and your fireworks, yeah, I always thought it was

635
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 11: a good idea before you start festivities to mention that

636
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 11: and remind people about these these guys and gals that

637
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 11: did sacrifice their life because they did join knowing that

638
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 11: they'd get killed. And and I just think, you know,

639
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 11: I mean, it's it's about celebrating we have their patriotism,

640
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 11: but more in their their tragic deaths, and it's just

641
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 11: important to bring.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's people like you, so all of our

643
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: other combat vets, all our other veterans for that matter, Uh,

644
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: first responders, police, your dad was a was a Dallas

645
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: cop if I'm not mistaken, right, yes, sir, fireman. You

646
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: guys and that population of the American people are the

647
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 1: ones that run into burning buildings, not away from them.

648
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: And it takes a special kind of breed to be

649
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: that kind of person. I think a lot of what

650
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: happened on J six, especially with veterans, was that you

651
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: saw a burning building and you ran into it. You

652
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: saw innocent people being assaulted and beaten and you ran

653
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: to the rescue. Carry the go ahead. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 11: Oh, and we were politically persecuted for that. But that's

655
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Speaker 11: just the way we are, Like you said, the way

656
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Speaker 11: we are. We helped people in before j six, That's

657
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Speaker 11: what I was doing. I dedicated my life to helping

658
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Speaker 11: people down at the border and helping the families out stuff.

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Speaker 9: And so I'll well.

660
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm grateful for is that you guys

661
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: that took the oath that never expired, but you didn't

662
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: let jan six destroy that for you because it took

663
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: a very strong person and a hat tip to you, sir,

664
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: to not become bitter and hatred and hate filled.

665
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: And you were put in a really really nasty facility

666
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: much more, yeah, much more so than you deserve, not

667
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: that you deserved any at all, but you went to

668
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: a medium or a high was it a maximum? Maximum?

669
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: I mean, which is unheard of for for something like this.

670
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 2: It's it's just insane how you were treated.

671
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 11: Yeah, we were treated, and especially the veterans, we were

672
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 11: treated like you would like as if we were in

673
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 11: a pow for in the country.

674
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 9: That's how it was. I mean, our food was served

675
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 9: poop in it.

676
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 11: We were being food that was coming out of boxes

677
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 11: that said not for human consumption. We were denied visits,

678
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 11: you know, seeing our families and stuff, and it was

679
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 11: just it was it was I mean, it was a mental,

680
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 11: mental torture, as it was. And then you're thrown in

681
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 11: a small box by yourself and you're secluded from everybody,

682
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 11: and it's a horrible experience. Anybody can get through all

683
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 11: that just following the veteran.

684
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like it was worse in prison

685
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 2: almost than it was serving overseas.

686
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 11: It's yeah, yeah, it was worse just to seeing the violence.

687
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 9: Some of the violence was kind of crazy too.

688
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 11: But like I said, when you're even in the service,

689
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 11: you're not secluded from seeingior families and except in boot camp,

690
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 11: but you're out. I mean, this was a POW experience,

691
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 11: and that's why you see see those patches that are made,

692
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 11: you know, J six POWs because this was this was

693
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 11: that experience and it was a horrible experience and something

694
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 11: that I never want to go through again. But I'll

695
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 11: tell you I have no regrets. We did the right

696
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 11: thing that day and I would do it again. Helping

697
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 11: people and stuff they're not. They would never scare me

698
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 11: away on like that. I hope I'd never have to

699
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 11: go through something like that again and be politically persecuted.

700
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 9: But I have no regrets and did the right thing.

701
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: To a man, That's what we're hearing.

702
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: You know, every single that they do is consistent with everybody.

703
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: We got a couple of minutes left. We used the

704
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: term a lot, and I work with an organization out

705
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: of Dallas, Texas called Carry the Load. Matter of fact,

706
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: that Carry the Load organization, you're familiar with them. I'm

707
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: sure they honored the Dallas policemen that were policemen and

708
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: women that were killed a few years ago when that

709
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: tragedy happened. Having said that, prior to Jason, prior to

710
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: starting to work with Carry the Load, I didn't quite

711
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: understand what that term meant. And with about a minute

712
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: and a half left, I'd like for you to be

713
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: able to talk about the families for whom you carry

714
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: the load, because every year you do it all year long.

715
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: So who are you carrying the load before?

716
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 9: Brother, Well, I'll tell you what I'm carrying the load for.

717
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 9: For all that were.

718
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 11: Killed in action, even the first responders, anybody that made

719
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 11: that sacrifice.

720
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 9: I carry the load for those guys and gals.

721
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: Uh.

722
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 11: There, they definitely have the ultimate, made the ultimate sacrifice

723
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 11: for their country, and not just for their country, they

724
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 11: made the ultimaterie for the American people, the citizen, you know,

725
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 11: the elderly and the kids, the ones that can't get out.

726
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 9: And do anything. So everybody.

727
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 11: I would say, I remember every one of them. Memorial

728
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 11: every Memorial Day. I even I've always taught my kids

729
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 11: what Memorial Day, just like Christmas?

730
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 9: What is you know? I ask them what is Christmas about?

731
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 3: You know?

732
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 11: And the same thing Memorial Today. I do the same

733
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 11: thing with my kids and my friends. Make sure everybody

734
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 11: knows they're celebrating. And also more so, it's not just

735
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 11: one big beer party that everybody I don't know about.

736
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: No, and that's and that's what's said is oftentimes that's

737
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: all that's remembered. It's either the gifts on Christmas or

738
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: the hamburgers and hot dogs on Memorial Day, and that,

739
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, is the last thing that either one

740
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: of those two days are all about. Luke Denny, we

741
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us, man. I know you're busy, you're

742
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: working on a ranch someplace. It looks like you hold

743
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: up in a closet there so that you could talk

744
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: to us.

745
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to say he's used to that, but

746
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you're in a closet, man, What are you.

747
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: Doing in a six by nine?

748
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 9: I don't want to make.

749
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: Money at the yard.

750
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 10: Birthday, guys, and happy birthday to you, brother, Happy birthday

751
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 10: to you.

752
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 1: Happy all right, all right, we got to jump Louke.

753
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: Have a great birthday, and we're with you a Memorial day,

754
00:47:45,480 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. We'll be back with more, all right.

755
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cowboy Logic, everybody.

756
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 7: I know.

757
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: That this interview with Brother Jeff mckellip is going to

758
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: be a difficult one. Most of the interviews that we

759
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: have with Jeff are brutally honest, some of which are

760
00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 1: very fun, but they are always very real, and I

761
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: think that's what you're going to see in this interview.

762
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: Brother Jeff. Welcome back to Cowboy Logic on a very

763
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 1: somber day for you and many many, many Americans. Very quickly,

764
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: if you don't mind, let the viewers that may not

765
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: know your history and where you're where you're at with

766
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: your military service When did you serve, what branched of service?

767
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: Where did you engage in combat with you It's probably

768
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: thousands of places, but talk a little bit about your service,

769
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: specifically with regard to where you spent time flinging lead.

770
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 12: Yes, sir, thank you for having me on Cowboy Logic,

771
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 12: and I'd like to thank all the supporters out there

772
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 12: that supported my family while I was in jail. I

773
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 12: appreciated very much. My wife, my son, and my daughter

774
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 12: appreciated as much. I joined the Army in nineteen eighty

775
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 12: seven because I didn't know what I wanted to do.

776
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 12: I was in college up in Chico for like a

777
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 12: quarter of a semester and just got up and walked out. Man,

778
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 12: I was like, and I never looked back. I was

779
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 12: in Second Ranger Battalion. I joined the infantry right off

780
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 12: the bat and then I got into second Ranger Battalion

781
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 12: for a couple of years, and that was a different

782
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 12: story altogether. Went down the road, try to become a

783
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,959
Speaker 12: tried to become a medic for a while, which I did,

784
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 12: and then I joined Third Group Special Forces, where I

785
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 12: was for ten years. Within that ten years, I spent

786
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 12: about six years deployed in a combat environment, and I

787
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 12: was either in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Africa doing high mountain adventure.

788
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 12: In Afghanistan always man, nothing below seven to eight thousand feet.

789
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 12: Everything was in the snowline.

790
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 8: Console in Iraq was.

791
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 12: Just room to room, building to building, street to street fighting,

792
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 12: all ied, all V bid, all inaccurate sniper fire because

793
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 12: if it was accurate, I wouldn't be here.

794
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: So the.

795
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 12: Yeah, and then I got out of that once I

796
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 12: graduated from the military in twenty ten, I got into

797
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 12: working contracting for the State Department Agency, or just say that.

798
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 12: I got into contracting for about eight years. So I

799
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 12: served almost thirty years with the government, deploying back and

800
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 12: forth to Afghanistan and Iraq until finally then I got arrested.

801
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

802
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: It just blows my mind because you can serve this

803
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 2: much and have your government come after you. It just

804
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: it's unbelievable to me.

805
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 12: Yeah, And that corresponds with the whole Memorial Day question.

806
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 12: It's like who do you serve? You know, I served

807
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 12: the people, always, always served the people.

808
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 13: Yeah, people do this to us.

809
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: I know, I know, man, I know, I'm sorry, dude, No, no, no, no,

810
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: I told you ladies and gentlemen, this has been a

811
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: difficult show to do, Jeff, it really has. And uh,

812
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: you and I talked so often that I knew this

813
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: was going to get very real, and it's going to

814
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: get super real with the question that I ask you

815
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: right now, you know, Memorial Day is not at all

816
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: about hamburgers and hot dogs, and that's what it's turned into.

817
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: It's been that way for a long time. There's nothing

818
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 1: happy about Memorial Day. Happy Memorial Day, there's nothing happy

819
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: about it. Happy Veterans Day, Happy Fourth of July, Merry Christmas,

820
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: Happy Easter. Those are all happies, but there's nothing happy

821
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: about Memorial Day. What does Memorial Day mean to Jeff McKellop,

822
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: who has been in situationations that are probably worse than hell.

823
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 8: It just to start it.

824
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: It was enacted.

825
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 12: Around the Civil War, if my memory serves me correctly,

826
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 12: to recognize the fallen, and then eventually morphed into the

827
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 12: fallen and the injured and the permanently disabled.

828
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 9: And then it's kind of like, you know, everybody's like, oh,

829
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 9: remember Memorial Day.

830
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 12: We got to recognize our veterans, but it recognizes the

831
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 12: following and the names that come to mind were friends

832
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 12: of mine that I served with, Paul Sweeney, Big Dave Hurt,

833
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 12: Lonnie Snep, these guys died horribly.

834
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 9: Paul Sweeney took a bullet to the.

835
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 12: Forehead and died screaming on the radio, and I was

836
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 12: there listening to his last words, crying for help. And

837
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 12: then Big Dave Hurt was blown in half by an

838
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 12: ied and Lonnie Snapp died out because he accumulated some

839
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 12: filthy cancer and some third world garbage stump and Iraq man,

840
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 12: and it just took his life, whittled him to nothing horrible.

841
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: And you.

842
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: Remember these things.

843
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 12: And I went to all the memorials, all the funerals

844
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 12: of the fallen and the people that have died, even

845
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 12: from different units.

846
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 9: I can't even remember how many I've been to.

847
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 12: This is memorial, and you recognize your family, and you

848
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 12: praise your family for standing by you, my wife Sarah,

849
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 12: my son Davis, and my daughter Paige. You know, it's

850
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 12: like I went through a hellacious time and that garbage

851
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 12: was just overwhelmingly destroying me internally. And I didn't realize

852
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 12: it until after I got out of jail.

853
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 9: And realized that memorial.

854
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 12: If you want to recognize something, you recognize the people

855
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 12: that have helped, you know, bring you to this situation

856
00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 12: and supported you all these years. Memorial recognizes the following man.

857
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 12: Memorial Weekend is there to recognize those who have served

858
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 12: and never forget the fallen, never forget their faces.

859
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 3: As long as you live.

860
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 2: The strength, the strength that you have is amazing to me,

861
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: because to go through what you've gone through, I mean,

862
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: it's we see movies that depict what you talked about,

863
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 2: and it's so hard to decipher going through it in reality.

864
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: And then to come back here and have your government

865
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 2: throw you in prison for four plus years with no trial.

866
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: We should tell everybody that Jeff was never tried.

867
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: Jeff basically had four years of his life stolen from

868
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: him by the federal government, and then on January twentieth,

869
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: he hadn't even been a trial. Yeah, they just said, okay,

870
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: leave get out of here, now go try to start

871
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: your life over again. Charges were all dismissed. They're trying

872
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: to make it feel like four years never happened. Yeah,

873
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: and it did happen, and we were with you for

874
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: the vast majority of it, you know, Jeff. I remember

875
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: we got about three and a half minutes left here.

876
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: I remember on a Memorial Day, maybe two years ago,

877
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Speaker 1: I got an email from you when you were in

878
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Speaker 1: Fort Worth, and you remember this. It was you used

879
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Speaker 1: every one of the fifteen hundred words that were allowed

880
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: to be in that core LNS email, and it was

881
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Speaker 1: an email like I'd never gotten from you. Brother. You know,

882
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Speaker 1: we've talked about military, we've talked about combat, We've talked

883
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Speaker 1: about your service hundreds of times. But this letter, this

884
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: email that you sent out was a purging of your

885
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: soul on Memorial Day. It was a way for you

886
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Speaker 1: to get through that day sitting in the Fort Worth prison,

887
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Speaker 1: and it was an amazing thing for you to trust

888
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Speaker 1: us with. When you sent that. You mentioned a few

889
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Speaker 1: guys just a minute ago that you carry the load

890
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: for I want to give you a couple of minutes

891
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Speaker 1: to talk about the meaning, the true meaning of carrying

892
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: the load, and then how American people should really be

893
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Speaker 1: looking at Memorial Day.

894
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Speaker 12: In your opinion, George Orwell I could quote it, strong

895
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 12: men stand idle on the wall, ready to do violence

896
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,919
Speaker 12: on those who sleep peacefully at night.

897
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Speaker 1: You get the gist of.

898
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Speaker 3: What I just said.

899
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 12: It's not in a direct order, but that shows the

900
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 12: courage and the attitude that needs to take place for America.

901
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 12: And people are slipping, man, people are slipping. And we

902
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 12: tried to carry the load. I tried to do my part,

903
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 12: and I'm all about America. But man, dude, I just

904
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 12: got kicked straight in the growing in this government.

905
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 7: Man.

906
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 12: And we're so close, so close to going out.

907
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 9: It's unbelievable.

908
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 12: If you don't stand the wall, stand idle, ready to

909
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 12: do violence for those who sleep peacefully at night, that cow,

910
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 12: we're under the blanket of protection that you provide. And

911
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 12: some question in the manner which you provided, everybody knows

912
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 12: those lines. These things ring true, man, And that's carrying

913
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 12: the load, not thinking about yourself. But you think about

914
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 12: your family, You think about Sarah Davis and Page, and

915
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 12: you try to do your best while you're still alive.

916
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 12: And thank you for giving us that, man. And you

917
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 12: can't I don't know how to express it, man, but

918
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 12: you want to lean forward and step into the jaws

919
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 12: of death and kiss the lips of danger and do

920
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 12: it again and again in again, all for freedom, man,

921
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 12: in for America, bro, and everybody needs.

922
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Speaker 3: To do it. I just.

923
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: Where are you? Where are you?

924
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Speaker 4: Man?

925
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Speaker 3: Thank you? Yeah?

926
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, man, I told you this was gonna be real.

927
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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen every time.

928
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 8: Jeff, it's like, forget my t shirt.

929
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 3: Man, don't worry.

930
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: We's we got twenty seconds. What's frog and toad? Ten seconds?

931
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Speaker 1: Ten seconds?

932
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 9: Frogging Toad is.

933
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Speaker 3: A children's book.

934
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Speaker 9: It shows about unity and cohesion. Notice how two frogs

935
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 9: are playing leap frog.

936
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Speaker 1: Brother, Jeff mckel we love You're like a brother. Ladies

937
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: and ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna be bad.

938
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Speaker 2: Bless you, Jeff. We love you.

939
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Speaker 1: With more of our jay sex or combat veterans. We'll

940
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Speaker 1: be right back.

941
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Speaker 2: We're back on cow boy logic. As we can. We

942
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Speaker 2: continue our memorial may. I know Memorial Day was last week,

943
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 2: but hey, you know it never ends, and especially for

944
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Speaker 2: those who served. So we're talking with Jeremy Brown right now.

945
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Speaker 2: And Jeremy's got a different situation because he was actually

946
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Speaker 2: in the gulag toward the end, but he was mostly

947
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: in Tallahassee for a while after he was arrested. But

948
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Speaker 2: he actually was targeted because he taped the FEDS trying

949
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: to recruit him for January sixth. Then they weren't real

950
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: happy about that, so The big thing is that we're seeing, Jeremy,

951
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 2: is that everybody who served, even though they've been persecuted

952
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 2: by the federal government, still has not waned in their service.

953
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Speaker 2: Tell us about where you served, your time you served,

954
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: and exactly what branch that was.

955
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 14: Well, thank you for having me again. And so I

956
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 14: served in the United States Army for twenty years. I

957
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 14: started out with the first Range of Itattalion, seventy fifth

958
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 14: Range of Regimen in Savannah, Georgia for the first three

959
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 14: years of my career, and then the rest of my

960
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 14: career seventeen years of spin at the Green Beret in

961
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 14: three different operational groups, First Special Forces Group, Fifth Special

962
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 14: Forces Group, and seventh Special Forces Group. And then I

963
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 14: retired as a noncommission officer in charge of the Special

964
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Speaker 14: Activities Branch at Special Operations man Central in Tampa, Florida.

965
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Speaker 8: So yeah, I mean.

966
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Speaker 14: That's my entire military career was spent in the Special

967
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 14: Operations community, and I retired at the rank of Master Sargeant.

968
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Speaker 1: We've throughout this show, which has been a tough one,

969
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, I hope you understand why we've talked

970
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: about the contrast between how many American people celebrate the

971
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Speaker 1: Monday off Memorial Day with hot dogs and hamburgers. And

972
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Speaker 1: the good thing about that is a lot of times

973
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Speaker 1: it'll bring families together that normally aren't together because of

974
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Speaker 1: work schedules or whatever. But it's not a celebratory day.

975
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Speaker 1: It's a day of remembrance. And if you want to

976
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Speaker 1: celebrate someone's life, that's fine. But what as a combat vet,

977
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Speaker 1: what does Memorial Day, Memorial May, Memorial Year mean to

978
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: Jeremy Brown?

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Speaker 14: Well, I mean for me, And you're right, most civilians

980
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 14: don't understand the importance of Memorial Day for those who

981
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Speaker 14: actually lost teammates, their best friends, groom's men, guys that

982
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 14: you went to schools with, you know, guys that you

983
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 14: shared you know, you know, times with your children together.

984
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 14: But for me, Memorial Day really is is a somber day.

985
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 14: It's a day of reflection. It's a day where, you know,

986
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 14: most of the time you go through life and you

987
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 14: just try to get from one day to the next

988
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 14: and check off the task. But Memorial Day for me

989
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 14: is really when I allow myself to think back on,

990
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 14: you know, the losses, the times, the memories, the relationships

991
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 14: that were lost, and you know, and I would suspect it.

992
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 14: It's the same for many veterans who have personally lost

993
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 14: many many close personal friends, guys within their units, or

994
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 14: guys that they attended some military school with.

995
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 8: You know, it's not a party.

996
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 14: And you know, we might go to the party and

997
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 14: we might smile like everybody else, and you know, people

998
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 14: will thank us for our service. You know, back when

999
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 14: I was a young smart ass, I used to say, well,

1000
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 14: you know, if you want to thank me for your service,

1001
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 14: then vote better. And now I just simply say, you know,

1002
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 14: apparently it's not over yet. So and to touch on

1003
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Speaker 14: what you said earlier, Donna, the reason why the military

1004
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 14: vets don't waiver is because we did not swear an

1005
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 14: oath to a government. We swore an oath to the

1006
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 14: principle that this country was founded on, to the Founding

1007
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 14: Document of this country, which you know codified these principles,

1008
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 14: and to the American people itself. So it doesn't matter

1009
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 14: who's in control of this country. You know, we tend

1010
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 14: to want to do what's right. We want we tend

1011
01:04:55,720 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 14: to be defenders and warriors for those who aren't able

1012
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 14: to defend and fight for themselves. And so it doesn't

1013
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 14: matter what the FBI does to us, It doesn't matter

1014
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 14: what president is elected. Your your veteran is going to always,

1015
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 14: you know, support and defend the Constitution of the United

1016
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 14: States and the people that make up the United States

1017
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 14: of America because that's what we swore life to. And

1018
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 14: it's not just like members of Congress who take an

1019
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 14: oath but yet never put anything on the line, never

1020
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 14: lose anything or risk anything. You know, your veteran has

1021
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 14: actually not only suffered the struggles of financial issues and

1022
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 14: things like that, but they've actually put their.

1023
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 8: Life on the line.

1024
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 14: They've they've taken you know, bullets in many cases and

1025
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 14: lost friends in order to support and defend the Constitution.

1026
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 14: So it is a much different perspective, uh than the

1027
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 14: average oath taker uh and definitely a different perspective than

1028
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 14: the average American citizen.

1029
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: I would go as far to say that politics that

1030
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: take the oath break it within five minutes of taking

1031
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: the oath, and yours and if they even take it

1032
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: exactly very good point. But ladies and gentlemen, you need

1033
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: to understand that the oath that Jeremy's talking about, that

1034
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: he took that all of our other combat vet Jay

1035
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: six ers that you'll see on the show and have

1036
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Speaker 1: seen on the show. Took is that it truly never expires.

1037
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: And that's a major difference. Explain a little bit about

1038
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: what that oath that never expires means.

1039
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 14: I mean, it means doing the right thing for your

1040
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 14: fellow man, for your for your neighbor, for your own family, right,

1041
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 14: I mean, uh, my situation. You know, the the FBI

1042
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 14: clearly thought that I'm a true believer and that you know,

1043
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 14: whoever they say the bad guys is is who I

1044
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 14: think the bad guys should be as well, and that's

1045
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Speaker 14: not the case.

1046
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 8: You know, I know what.

1047
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 14: The Constitution says because I don't put my life on

1048
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 14: the line for things that I haven't read, studied, learned,

1049
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 14: you know, taken in.

1050
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 8: I mean, if you've never.

1051
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 14: Been close to death and then done it again, well

1052
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 14: then of course you might think that that's kind of odd,

1053
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 14: but you should never you know. They say in investing

1054
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 14: you should never invest in anything that you don't understand. Well,

1055
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 14: you should never put your life on the line for

1056
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 14: things that you don't understand. And see, that is the difference.

1057
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 14: I understand what the constitutional rights of not only myself,

1058
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 14: my family, but my neighbors are and if you try

1059
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 14: to get me to violate them, I'm not going to

1060
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 14: go along with it. And so that is what to me,

1061
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 14: what it means to you know, keep your oath, to

1062
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 14: be an oath keeper, to not only say the words,

1063
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Speaker 14: but actually do the actions required. And I honestly wish

1064
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 14: that more law enforcement across our country would would reread

1065
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 14: their oath like I wrote on my sign of which

1066
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Speaker 14: they denied my bond on. Reread your oath and remember

1067
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 14: that you're not here to protect them, You're here to

1068
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 14: protect us.

1069
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Constitution just seems to be, you know, basically

1070
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Speaker 2: ripped apart by so many law enforcement around the country

1071
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Speaker 2: that I love the constitutional sheriffs actually trying to bring

1072
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Speaker 2: that back. Just you know, the name alone suggests what

1073
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Speaker 2: needs to be done. We only got a couple of

1074
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Speaker 2: minutes left before this interview. I noticed you had a

1075
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Speaker 2: wristband on. Now I go back to Vietnam days, but

1076
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 2: yours obviously is somebody you too, are carrying. If you

1077
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Speaker 2: want to show that to everybody, talk about that.

1078
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

1079
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Speaker 14: So, yeah, you'll see many veterans wearing these aluminum or

1080
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Speaker 14: steel bracelets and they are Kia bracelets, and typically when

1081
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 14: I see a guy, I ask them, you know who's

1082
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 14: your bracelet for? And so my bracelet is for MASCO

1083
01:08:55,200 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 14: Sergeant Joseph Andrews. He was on my first adio Operational

1084
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Speaker 14: Detachment Alpha one seven to six out of first Special

1085
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 14: Forces Group, but he had gone on to greater things

1086
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Speaker 14: as a Delta Force operator and on December fourth, two

1087
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Speaker 14: thousand and five, he was killed in.

1088
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Speaker 8: An operation in Iraq.

1089
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Speaker 14: Shot through the armholes and his body armored through and through,

1090
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Speaker 14: and he was what we referred to as DRT, which

1091
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Speaker 14: is dead right there, but because of the seriousness of

1092
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Speaker 14: his wounds, was evacuated to the nearest trauma center, which

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Speaker 14: triggered the notification system of Big Army. Right, so Delta

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Speaker 14: Force operators and Special Operations ten to want to do

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Speaker 14: their own notifications, but because of his injuries and because

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Speaker 14: of where they took him immediately, it triggered the army notification.

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Speaker 14: So his family was notified as zero seven o'clock zero

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Speaker 14: seven o'clock am on Christmas morning in two thousand and five,

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Speaker 14: and so they will have to live with that experience

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Speaker 14: every Christmas when everyone else is celebrating.

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Speaker 8: And so I've worn this bracelet.

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Speaker 14: In fact, this bracelet I've had since finding out about

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Speaker 14: his death.

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Speaker 8: In fact, you know, I was sitting.

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Speaker 14: On my couch in Fabelle, North Carolina, when I was

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Speaker 14: stationed at Fort Bragg, and I found out about his

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Speaker 14: death from the local news broadcast that evening. I wasn't

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Speaker 14: able to sleep that night, so I told my wife

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Speaker 14: that I was going to get up, and I went

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Speaker 14: and turned on the TV and I see Joe's picture.

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Speaker 14: But he had been promoted on the blacklist because he

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Speaker 14: was a delta operator, so I didn't know that he

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Speaker 14: was a Master's sergeant. So they say a Fort Bragg

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Speaker 14: soldier Master Sergeant Joe Andrews was killed in Iraq, and

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Speaker 14: I'm thinking, well, Joe's not a master sergeant, and uh,

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Speaker 14: but it was his picture, and I went back into

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Speaker 14: the bedroom and told my wife, and that's that's how.

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Speaker 8: I actually found out.

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Speaker 14: But uh, you know, I was I was working moving

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Speaker 14: over to Special Forces recruiting at the time, and so

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Speaker 14: I was able to actually attend not only his memorials

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Speaker 14: service in Cleveland, Ohio, but also this funeral at Arlington,

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Speaker 14: and so that that's who.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 14: But I don't just carry the load for Joe. I mean,

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Speaker 14: Joe was one of my groom's men. You know, it

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Speaker 14: was on my team. We were great friends. But I

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Speaker 14: care to load for a lot of guys that I

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Speaker 14: served with. And we all right, because absolutely, survivor guilt

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Speaker 14: is a real thing. We all want to think that

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Speaker 14: there could have been something that we could have done

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Speaker 14: differently throughout our career.

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Speaker 8: Toul save our buddies. In the reality, we got it hard.

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Speaker 1: Out carrying the load, ladies and gentlemen, the true meaning

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Speaker 1: of carrying the load. Jeremy, we love you, brother. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us on this Cowboy Logic J six

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Speaker 1: Combat Veteran Memorial Day special, and thank you for doing

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Speaker 1: this episode. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: All right, everybody, we are your emotional yeah, show all

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Speaker 2: so needed.

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Speaker 1: But we're going to bring in some of the brass

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Speaker 1: again and h we're going to talk to Captain Chris

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Speaker 1: Cuney and uh who is a marine. He is a

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Speaker 1: J sixer and he is a combat veteran. So everything

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Speaker 1: is falling right into place for the whole theme of

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Speaker 1: this show. Chris, welcome back to Cowboy Logic.

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Speaker 3: My friend.

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Speaker 1: I hope you and your family are doing well. I

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01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: know that this is a and it's an emotional holiday

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Speaker 1: for you and all of your brothers. Before we get

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Speaker 1: into the meaning of your meaning of Memorial Day, for

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Speaker 1: those that haven't seen you on the show, before, talk

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Speaker 1: to everybody briefly about your military history, your combat service,

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Speaker 1: where and when.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, I served twenty two years in the United States

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Speaker 13: Marine Corps. I was enlisted up to the rank of

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Speaker 13: staff sergeant, and I switched over and became an officer

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Speaker 13: and eventually retired at the rank of captain. I have been,

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Speaker 13: and I have always been, a combat arms Marine, serving

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Speaker 13: in infantry units in iraq Is. I've only been to Iraq,

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Speaker 13: I've never been to Afghanis. But I've had the pleasure

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Speaker 13: of serving the United States Marine Corps in this country,

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Speaker 13: and really the biggest pleasure that I've had is leading

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Speaker 13: young men this nation's best, brightest and peace time and

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Speaker 13: a war. I was significantly injured in two thousand and

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Speaker 13: six while I was in Ramadi, so after that I

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01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 13: didn't do any more deployments. But like many service members,

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Speaker 13: Memorial Day does hold a very special and purposeful place

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Speaker 13: in all our hearts. I have lost marines, I've lost friends,

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Speaker 13: I have been significantly injured, and I've had marines and

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Speaker 13: friends that are significantly injured and had their lives affected

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Speaker 13: to this day. It's tough, you know. I've had conversations

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Speaker 13: with people over the last few days, and the Memorial

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Speaker 13: Day has become to you know, really look at as

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Speaker 13: far as what it means. It's that extra day off, right,

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Speaker 13: it's supposed to be the last month of the year.

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Speaker 13: We're called to honor over one point one million people

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Speaker 13: that have served in conflicts from the Revolutionary War all

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Speaker 13: all the way to today. And it's become a call

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Speaker 13: for commercial tides, for strong matterss sales to get you know,

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Speaker 13: flooded in your email inbox, commercials, buy that, get that

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01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 13: percentage off on a product, barbecues, drinking a beer, and

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Speaker 13: we've lost sight of what Memorial Day really means to us.

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Speaker 13: And I would like this audience, and I would like

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Speaker 13: people listening to this really to remember what it is.

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Speaker 13: Memorial Day is about living with purpose. To remember the fallen,

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Speaker 13: is to remember all those people that have come before

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Speaker 13: us that have paid the ultimate sacrifice, you know, more powers.

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Speaker 13: Memorial Day's power really lies and it's called to live

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Speaker 13: worthy of the fallen. And that's what I try to

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Speaker 13: do every day is live a life that is worthy

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Speaker 13: of my marines, of my comrades, Army, Navy, Marine Corps,

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Speaker 13: Coast Guard, Air Force, all those people that have come

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Speaker 13: before me, and be worthy of the sacrifice that they've made.

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Speaker 13: You know, the death of my marines, the death of

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Speaker 13: my friends, has drove me to lead with purpose. And

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Speaker 13: I just ask the people watching this take take this time,

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Speaker 13: this day to live a life with purpose and give

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Speaker 13: the fallen fallen everything that they possibly can on this day.

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Speaker 13: It's not just a day, but every day.

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Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't long ago. I was a child.

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Speaker 2: We had Memorial Day parades. I remember, all through grammar

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Speaker 2: school and mid you know, middle school, they were we

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Speaker 2: all looked forward to that Memorial Day parades and you know,

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Speaker 2: practicing our marching skills and honoring those who served and

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Speaker 2: those who gave the ultimate sacrifice. And I can't imagine,

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Speaker 2: as being a veteran like yourself, what you're seeing now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, even with politicians saying to discourage people who

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Speaker 2: might want to honor the fallen, and that kind of

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Speaker 2: it just amazes me how evil, how evil some people

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Speaker 2: have become in light of all of this absolutely.

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Speaker 9: I mean, the reality is the fallen had.

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Speaker 13: Given us everything, everything so that we could have everything

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Speaker 13: for veterans like me, for the veterans that are out there,

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Speaker 13: the one percent of the population who you know, struggle

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Speaker 13: with an enduring pain of loss.

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Speaker 9: This day is a reminder.

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Speaker 13: To to channel that grief and the action right serving

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Speaker 13: our communities, raising our families, you know, our values, pausing

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Speaker 13: to reflect. You know, it has to be a day

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Speaker 13: that you know, we take a role in our communities

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Speaker 13: to serve with purpose, you know, to be worthy of

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Speaker 13: those freedoms that have been paid for in full, those

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Speaker 13: sacrifices that have been made. It's a debt. I mean,

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Speaker 13: it's literally a debt for those that gave everything, and

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Speaker 13: and it's a it's a it's really a call, I

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Speaker 13: want to say this, to reject that extra day off

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Speaker 13: mindset and recommit to the principles that my brothers and

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Speaker 13: sisters died for it. Quite frankly, you know, foster education, engagement, gratitude,

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Speaker 13: Go to a veteran cemetery, put a flag on a tombstone,

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Speaker 13: you know, go to the VFW, talk to some of

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Speaker 13: those guys that probably aren't going to be there. Around

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Speaker 13: very long and listen to their stories. Do something as

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Speaker 13: simple as look in a book and read a story

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Speaker 13: about a service member that made the sacrifice. You know,

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Speaker 13: it's not that hard. I mean, what thirty six percent

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Speaker 13: of our youth today can't pass the constitutional test. I mean,

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Speaker 13: we expect them to understand what Memorial Day is and

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Speaker 13: the price that we've paid for their freedom to do

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Speaker 13: what they do. We have to educate people. This is

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Speaker 13: you know, this is a debt that has to be paid,

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Speaker 13: and we have to keep pushing this on Don.

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Speaker 1: And Donald, you know, you said something that gets extremely powerful,

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Speaker 1: or at least to me, it was, and that is

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Speaker 1: Memorial Day reminds you that you need to live your

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Speaker 1: life to be worthy of the falling. That's main trap,

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Speaker 1: that is ladies and gentlemen. But that doesn't put this

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Speaker 1: whole in the perspective.

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Speaker 2: Nothing will well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, you know, with this show, we

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Speaker 1: have been covering a Memorial Day twelve years. I think

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Speaker 1: however long we've had this show, we've been working with

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Speaker 1: the organization Carry the Load for fourteen years. Memorial Day

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Speaker 1: for us is always a day of remembrance, always a

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Speaker 1: reverent day. But I've never been hit quite as hard

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Speaker 1: as I have that that you made that comment. Man,

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Speaker 1: live your life to be worthy of those that lost theirs.

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Speaker 1: I'm welling up over this. Man. We got a couple

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Speaker 1: of minutes left here. I use the term carry the load.

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Speaker 1: I've been using the entire show. Who is Chris Cuney

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Speaker 1: carrying the load for?

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Speaker 13: I'm carrying the load for a lot of people. I'm

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Speaker 13: carrying the load for one of my best friends, Ryan LaDuke,

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Speaker 13: that I lost in Iraq, you know Brian Wilson quote

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Speaker 13: with Brian Wilson. I still there's so many and I

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Speaker 13: still carry the load. I still struggle with those people.

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Speaker 13: There's there's days of the year, you know, January, February,

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Speaker 13: March start to roll around and it hits me, you know,

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Speaker 13: and I start to draw inside of myself. And you know,

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Speaker 13: thankfully I have an amazing wife and she's good at

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Speaker 13: drawing me back out. But I have those those those days,

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Speaker 13: those months, you know, entire weeks where it affects me.

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Speaker 3: It literally.

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Speaker 13: Feels like I'm unpeeling from the inside, and it's hard

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Speaker 13: to really truly appreciate the sacrifices that those people in

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Speaker 13: our lives have made. And feel like we are living

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Speaker 13: up to that expectation. And that's the hardest thing, is

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Speaker 13: feeling like you can't live up to that expectation of

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Speaker 13: the sacrifice that those people have made for you, those

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Speaker 13: people have made for this country and believing in something

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01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 13: bigger duty brotherhood, freedom. I mean, I can still see

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01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 13: them sharing their stories, you know, telling each other that

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Speaker 13: we'd have each other's backs, just the days, the times,

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Speaker 13: and it's tough and it's something that we all go through,

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Speaker 13: but you know, living up to those expectations is probably

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Speaker 13: the hardest thing. And feeling that I'm just not quite

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Speaker 13: making it sometimes, but.

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Speaker 2: I get it, and I guess that's a survivor guilt.

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01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 2: And what our federal government put you and your family

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Speaker 2: through on top of it all, I just can't imagine.

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Speaker 2: And I invite people to go back and watch your

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Speaker 2: past interviews with us. It's evil, evil, And you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a meme out there that's floating around on social media,

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Speaker 2: Your day at the Beach showing people having a nice

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01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 2: day at the beach is brought to you by their

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01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 2: day at the beach and it shows D Day and

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Speaker 2: our heroes coming off the ships at that point that's

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Speaker 2: something that I don't think I'm ever gonna forget, and

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Speaker 2: I've reposted a few times already, but I think that

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Speaker 2: kind of tells it all.

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Speaker 1: Chris, we gotta go, but I want to thank you

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01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: on behalf of Donna and I and our viewing audience

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Speaker 1: for making a difference in what you've said today that's

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Speaker 1: had any enormous impact on me. Thank you, Chris. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you, brother, ladies and gentlemen. We'll be back more

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Speaker 1: with the J six Combat Veteran Memorial Day Special. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome back everybody to Cawboy Logic. The final segment of

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Speaker 1: the show, we had to give it to Robert Lego,

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Speaker 1: Man Moors and Robert. First of all, I need to

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Speaker 1: have you share with anybody that doesn't know a little

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Speaker 1: bit about your military history, the branch of service, when

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Speaker 1: you served, where you were in combat, sir.

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Speaker 15: Absolutely well, thank you for the opportunity, and Happy Memorial

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Speaker 15: Day you guys. I was in second Range Battalion and

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Speaker 15: three deployments of Afghanistan, and I joined when I was seventeen,

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Speaker 15: and I deployed to multiple locations within Afghanistan, but where

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Speaker 15: I saw combat for the first time was in a

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Speaker 15: location named Sharana, and that's also where I decided to

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Speaker 15: become a high school history teacher because of how devastated

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Speaker 15: that location was. I knew that the next generation wouldn't

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Speaker 15: know how to keep this republic if that kind of

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Speaker 15: devastation would follow us home. So that place taught me

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Speaker 15: a lot, and it also left some physical and emotional

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Speaker 15: and mental scars. And we didn't come home with everybody

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Speaker 15: that we showed up with.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, well, you know, Memorial Day, as we've

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Speaker 1: talked about pretty much all through this show, the last

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Speaker 1: thing Memorial Day is about is hamburgers and hot talks.

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Speaker 1: But that's what the vast majority of the American people do.

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Speaker 1: They sell break on Memorial Day. What does Memorial Day

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Speaker 1: mean to you every year after you came back from combat.

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Speaker 15: I would say, and this is especially for your audience,

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Speaker 15: you know, maybe skip the hamburger and go down to

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Speaker 15: your local cemetery. The last Memorial Day that I was free,

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Speaker 15: I knew that the FBI was hunting me. But the

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Speaker 15: last Memorial Day that I was able to enjoy in

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Speaker 15: twenty twenty one, I went to the Pittsburgh Veterans Memorial

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Speaker 15: or Pittsburgh Veterans Cemetery, and I walked those graves and

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Speaker 15: I thanked each and every one of those individuals who

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Speaker 15: I'll see it happened Sunday, hopefully, but for their sacrifice

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Speaker 15: and for what they've done to our country so that

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Speaker 15: we could value those hot dogs and hamburgers. I would say,

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Speaker 15: you know, maybe skip the barbecue and go and pay

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Speaker 15: your respects to the reason why you can speak English

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Speaker 15: and have the rights that you do at your local

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Speaker 15: veterans cemetery.

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Speaker 1: Save the hamburgers and hot dogs, everybody for July fourth

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Speaker 1: and Veterans Day, right, right, Lego, Right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing. I can't imagine what's going through

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Speaker 2: your mind at that point, knowing that you were being

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Speaker 2: hunted by the government that you tried to protect overseas

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Speaker 2: with your life.

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Speaker 8: And I had to suffer in silence.

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Speaker 15: But the interesting thing that gave me comfort was knowing

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Speaker 15: that there are no atheists in a foxhole, and that

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Speaker 15: each and every one of those brave men and women

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Speaker 15: that I was walking past the tombs of.

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Speaker 8: The and the and the.

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Speaker 15: Just the heartbreaking memory that they're no longer at the

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Speaker 15: dinner table, is that I am a part of the

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Speaker 15: league of brave individuals that are willing to pay the

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Speaker 15: ultimate sacrifice for our country. And that's ultimately what Jesus

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Speaker 15: did on the Cross. So I was in good company.

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Speaker 15: Even though that I was very long and very afraid

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Speaker 15: and in silence amongst the brave zones, I was in

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Speaker 15: good company.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you know. So we have been working with an

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Speaker 1: organization now for fourteen years called Carry the Load. Prior

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Speaker 1: to that, I didn't know what the term carry the

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Speaker 1: load meant. And for those of you that are watching

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Speaker 1: that don't know. As a patriotic American, for you to

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Speaker 1: carry the load, you would carry the load for someone

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Speaker 1: a survivor of someone that has lost say a mother

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Speaker 1: and a father that have lost their son in combat,

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Speaker 1: or police first responder, whatever it might be, military, whatever lego.

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Speaker 1: Every Memorial Day and throughout the entire year, who do

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Speaker 1: you carry the load for?

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Speaker 15: So on my first deployment, we lost Thomas McPherson October twelve,

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Speaker 15: twenty twelve.

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Speaker 8: He was shot and killed and he lied over the rate.

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Speaker 15: You know, he said that he'd been shot through the leg,

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Speaker 15: so that we didn't break contact to come save him,

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Speaker 15: but he had actually been shot over the side plates

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Speaker 15: and went through his lungs in his heart. He had

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Speaker 15: seconds to live, and yet he wanted to keep his

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Speaker 15: boy safe. So I carry the load not just for

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Speaker 15: his family, but for the son that he had that

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Speaker 15: wasn't even one years old yet, who while his mother

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Speaker 15: is giving the eulogy at his funeral service, while we're

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Speaker 15: back in America, you can hear his son asked him

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Speaker 15: where dad is?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 15: So I memorialized him in the mural that I painted

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Speaker 15: in twenty twenty at the Petersburg, Pennsylvania Legion Post one

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Speaker 15: point fifty. Thomas McPherson is forever going to be honored

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Speaker 15: in the tenth and final panel that mural. But his

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Speaker 15: family and his son that's wondering where his dad's at.

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Speaker 15: He's in here, man.

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Speaker 2: So you don't have to look too much breaking just

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Speaker 2: to hear, heartbreaking, just to hear.

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Speaker 1: You know, Lego, we've had you close this show out,

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01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 1: and we've got about three minutes before we have to go.

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Speaker 1: But we've heard from six other seven total JA six

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Speaker 1: ers specifically that were combat veterans, that are combat veterans,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know of another television show that has

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Speaker 1: this exact show nobody's gone to ja six ers that

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Speaker 1: spent anywhere from two to four years in hell for

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Speaker 1: a fed surrection, that are also combat veterans, And this

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Speaker 1: has been a very difficult show to do, as you

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Speaker 1: know all too well. I'd like to give you a

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Speaker 1: couple of minutes to use your eloquent ability to either

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Speaker 1: tell a story or discuss history about what Memorial Day

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Speaker 1: needs to mean to all of our beloved viewers moving forward.

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Speaker 1: And I'll give you the mic.

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Speaker 15: For that, sir, Sure well, thank you for the opportunity,

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Speaker 15: and thank you for being one of a kind Tawway Logic,

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Speaker 15: for being the only show on the air on the

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Speaker 15: entire planet that's willing to give us a platform like this.

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Speaker 15: What I can say is this, we sing the national anthem,

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Speaker 15: maybe at like a football game or a baseball game

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Speaker 15: or whatever, but a lot of people don't know the

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Speaker 15: history of it.

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Speaker 8: So when Francis Scott.

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Speaker 15: Key is talking about how he can still see that

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Speaker 15: flag at dawn's really light and that flag is still there,

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Speaker 15: the reason why that flag is still there at Fort

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Speaker 15: McHenry after it had been bombarded all night long was

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Speaker 15: that the amount of bodies of American patriots men and

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Speaker 15: women been piled up around the flag pole to keep

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Speaker 15: it upright, was the only reason why Francis Scott Key

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Speaker 15: could see the flag from in the water as a

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Speaker 15: prisoner on the British war vessel that.

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Speaker 8: Was attacking the fort.

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Speaker 15: So when we're talking about Memorial Day and we're talking

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Speaker 15: about sacrifice, and you sing the national anthem and you

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Speaker 15: hear the words still there that I'm notorious for screaming

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Speaker 15: for the first time in the DC gou Lag, the

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Speaker 15: reason why that flag is still there is because men

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Speaker 15: and women were willing to lay their bodies down to

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Speaker 15: keep that flag still there. So keep that in mind.

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Speaker 15: Ditch the hamburgers from the hot dogs. Are you still there?

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Speaker 15: Ask yourself that question, because if you are, great, If

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Speaker 15: you're not, we're not going to be singing that.

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Speaker 8: National anthem very long.

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Speaker 15: So please be there for us, Be there for Thomas McPherson,

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01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 15: and be there for his son who's asking where his

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Speaker 15: dad is.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any idea how old his son is now?

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Speaker 15: Well, he was about one in twenty twelve, he knows,

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Speaker 15: so do the math. I mean, the young kid has

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Speaker 15: gon out beautiful, beautiful little boy.

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Speaker 3: You know so?

1454
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Speaker 1: And you stay in touch with him.

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Speaker 15: I have not, especially since we got you know, locked up,

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Speaker 15: but that is something that I intend to do because

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Speaker 15: that young man needs to know what his father had

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01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,639
Speaker 15: an impact on my life and how it has shaped

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Speaker 15: me as a man.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and the still there. Our viewers are unbelievable. If

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Speaker 2: you read the chat and get her in can and.

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Speaker 1: They're about to do it. There, They're about to do it. Lego,

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Speaker 1: stay with us. We're gonna go close the show out

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Speaker 1: here as we always do, with the most beautiful national

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Speaker 1: anthem ever sung that buyer beloved Jay six Ers in

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Speaker 1: C two B. You were a part of that, my friend,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see you next week. Gentlemen, remove your hats, ladies,

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, hands over your hearts. Thank you for trusting

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Speaker 1: us with two hours of your time. Lego man, we

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Speaker 1: love you.

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Speaker 2: God bless, good, bless.

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Speaker 11: And deserve.

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Speaker 16: What I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United

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Speaker 16: States of.

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Speaker 4: America, who is dried and riding.

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Speaker 1: Your girl f.

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Speaker 3: MO swee

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Speaker 16: Square, and to the Republic for which it stands, one

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Speaker 16: nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all