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Speaker 1: Welcome in What's Dray with the great episode three hundred

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Speaker 1: and ten potential finals preview in the NBA last night.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that. And you know, it's an odd

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Speaker 1: spot because one half of this show is a big

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Speaker 1: time Celtics fan. That was a game they wanted to win.

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Speaker 1: The Thunder didn't have their second best player, so you know,

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Speaker 1: I thought he might be a little down, a little

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Speaker 1: nervous about his Celtics, who got beat by Oklahoma City

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Speaker 1: when they played earlier this year, being held to twenty

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Speaker 1: seven second half points. Then they lose again, and then

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Speaker 1: I see Demonse and he's wearing an SGA jersey that

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Speaker 1: he got by the way, like the year SGA was

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Speaker 1: traded to the Thunder. So what is up with this

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Speaker 1: front running nonsense that I'm looking at.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't call it from running nonsense. I'd just say

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Speaker 2: that I'm not phased at all. I'm not worried about it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's not that you're like now a Thunder guy.

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Speaker 1: You're just so unbothered. You can even wrap your old SGAs.

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Speaker 2: Seven game series where these aren't. You know, we're not

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Speaker 2: just playing one games when it gets to the finals.

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Speaker 2: We're not worried about it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, fair enough, I mean, I I believe

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Speaker 1: you kind of. I will also say this, the jersey

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Speaker 1: over the hooded sweatshirt is a bold look.

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Speaker 2: Well, I figured since I was approaching thirty and I

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Speaker 2: can't do this anymore, that I should probably get those out.

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Speaker 1: You know, thirty is strong. I mean he's twenty six.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I understand what you're saying that. Oh, by

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Speaker 1: the way, I don't know why this made me think

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Speaker 1: of it real quick before we get to the actual show.

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Speaker 1: Producers saying jersey and hoodie is a great look. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, Maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 3: As opposed to what me just coming in here with

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know the right way to

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Speaker 1: do it. You have the physique would allow you have

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Speaker 1: a You have a good enough physique where you could

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Speaker 1: wear just the jersey. I do remember when I was

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Speaker 1: in middle school, my school didn't have a uniform, but

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Speaker 1: had a dress code, and the dress code was you

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Speaker 1: had to wear collared shirts. It had you had to

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Speaker 1: wear collared shirts. And I was big on the like

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Speaker 1: short sleeve polo with a jersey over it. Like that

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Speaker 1: was my workaround.

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Speaker 3: Okay, bad luck.

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Speaker 1: I'm not like I'm not. I had liked the Charles

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Speaker 1: Barkley Sons jersey and I would wear the school sometimes

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Speaker 1: the full the Charles Barkley sneakers did, Charles Barkley Sons

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Speaker 3: H Polo and over here.

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Speaker 1: I mean that old so that that all happened, By

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Speaker 1: the way, I was kind of hinting at on Tuesday's

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Speaker 1: show something going on with our family that was super positive,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't say what it was because it wasn't

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Speaker 1: really my news to share. I then maybe, actually, well, here,

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Speaker 1: here's what it is. My sister, Demanday's aunt just had

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Speaker 1: her third baby on Tuesday, right after our show. So

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Speaker 1: congrats to my sister Joanna and her husband Dan, and

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Speaker 1: to my niece and nephew Mia and Max for adding

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Speaker 1: Francesca to their family. After being so careful demanse about

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Speaker 1: not saying what it was on the pod, I got

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Speaker 1: a picture from Dan at two fifty four pm Eastern

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Speaker 1: of my sister holding the baby. The baby had just

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Speaker 1: been born, and I showed it to wilds It's two

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Speaker 1: Wild starts the show and says, welcome. The first things first,

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Speaker 1: where we're congratulating Nick's sister Joanna on the new basis,

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Speaker 1: And I just rolled with it and even said her name.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if Dan's parents or my parents

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Speaker 1: had found out. I don't know America to the world right,

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Speaker 1: but America found out. But congrats to Joe and Dan.

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Speaker 1: All right, here's what missed the cut today. The Bills

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Speaker 1: signed Joey Bosa. I get it high upside, it's only

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Speaker 1: a one year deal, but man, oh man, that guy

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Speaker 1: can't stay healthy and so but you know, so that's

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Speaker 1: the concern with him. His brother has been the far better,

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Speaker 1: far more productive player for quite some time. Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: is visiting Cleveland and the Giants, which to me is

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Speaker 1: actually more of a Shadoor Sanders story than a Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson story, because I don't know where Shadoor Sanders is

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Speaker 1: gonna get drafted. And here's what I mean when the

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Speaker 1: whoops that I just tried to I'm trying to get

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Speaker 1: taking cam Ward one. Cleveland is evidently interested in Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: They you know, so they I don't think you try

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Speaker 1: they're interested in Shoud or. You don't think the Patriots

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Speaker 3: Is a situation.

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Speaker 2: How they how they did with Cousins and Pinnix, Like

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Speaker 2: it's like a safety blinket type of thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it could be, but I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that Cleveland is ready to yet fully

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Speaker 1: I think they're just kind of looking for a bridge.

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Speaker 1: So the Giants, though, have signaled by going after Rogers

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Speaker 1: on Sudore. The Patriots are at four, they have Drake May.

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Speaker 1: The Jags are at five, they have the Prince. The

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Speaker 1: Raiders are at six they have Geno. Now the Jets

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Speaker 1: are at eight, they have Bryce. The Saints are at nine.

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Speaker 1: They just redid Derek Carr's deal. The Bears are at

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Speaker 1: ten they have they have Caleb. The Niners are at eleven.

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Speaker 1: They have Mac Jones now and brock party William's name.

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Speaker 3: For a second, there was Kenn.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's crazy. I was looking at the It's

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Speaker 1: because I was trying to go through the order in

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Speaker 1: my head. Your twelve they have Dak Dolphins are at thirteen.

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Speaker 1: They have Tua. The Culture at fourteen they have Daniel

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Speaker 1: not a shot at Kale. The Bengals are seventy. Seattle's

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Speaker 1: like you know, but they're in. They're but they're going

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Speaker 1: after Aaron Rodgers harder than anybody. So, like I think

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Speaker 1: the Shador Sanders drop is very, very real. I think

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Speaker 1: exactly what he craves and thirsts and needs, which is

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Speaker 1: our attention, and so shout out to him for everyone

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Speaker 1: else can make this decision by now. He on the

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Speaker 1: other hand, man, oh man, I just it's just so complicated.

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Speaker 1: I think Aaron Rodgers knows where he's going. Reminder everybody

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Speaker 1: to be the only podcast that spends a solid ten

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Speaker 1: minutes on the things we're not talking about. To start

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Speaker 1: the show, I don't, I promise. I wanted to be

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Speaker 1: done talking about the stephen A. Lebron stuff, but his

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Speaker 1: get to that in a moment. But first, some sad

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Speaker 1: news for one of my favorite athletes ever. I do

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Speaker 1: want to start there, and then we'll get to the

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Speaker 1: other stuff.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yeah, Tiger was just unfortunately it underwent achilles

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Speaker 2: erruptured achille surgery, so it's probably gonna be out for

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Speaker 3: And you said Tiger's your second favorite athlete ever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I said second favorite because I had always called him.

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Speaker 1: If you had asked me for the you know, most

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Speaker 1: Mahomes has, you know, supplanted some people. So he's Tiger's

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Speaker 1: one of my three favorite athletes ever. And my story

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Speaker 1: where like I started watching him Lebron when I was

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Speaker 1: goes back further. I remember my late grandfather, who was

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Speaker 1: He died when I was in college, but he would

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Speaker 1: going to remake the golf world, remake it and he's

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Speaker 1: when I think it's third straight Amateur and I turned

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Speaker 1: ninety nine PGA Championship through the two thousand and two

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Speaker 1: that works. We all we all know that, Like, that's

429
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: it's not how that works on first things. First, I

430
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: can't imagine that's how that works. On first take, I

431
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: cannot imagine. And I do not think that anybody really

432
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: believes like there is anything on that show that stephen

433
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: A's like, I do not want to do this, and

434
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: they're like, sorry, you have to come on, man, that's

435
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: not like, that's not that's not a thing. Like maybe

436
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: the day after a finals game if Steve, if someone

437
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: was like, I don't want to talk about the basketball game,

438
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: they might be like, well you have to and if not,

439
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna pay, like the but I, that's not a thing.

440
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: And the other thing was this because on Gilbert Show,

441
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: stephen A said, Oh, I I thought in the moment

442
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: this was about Bronni. It wasn't until I saw what

443
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: Lebron's conversation mouth somewhat covered mouth not with Richard Jefferson

444
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: that I knew this was actually about what I had

445
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: said about him as a father. Man. I knew it

446
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: the next day. I was on here the next day

447
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: and I told everyone that's what it was about. It

448
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: was obvious that's what it was about. The everyone who's

449
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: in these circles knows that's what it was about. When

450
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: Lebron's people called you and you made fun of them,

451
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: it was months ago. It was about that. It was

452
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: about the I'm begging you as a father, So it's

453
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: okay to say has caught off guard, has caught off guard,

454
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: didn't really know, and then the other part of it,

455
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: like again, and I say this every time, and I'll

456
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: say it again, and it's so funny that I texted

457
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: with stephen A the day this, the morning before this

458
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: all happened, so like I think this happen a week

459
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: ago today, I actually text with steven A that morning,

460
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: so before it all happened. Obviously I have and I'm

461
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: still using current present tense. I hope a good relationship

462
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: with him. But I have to be I have to

463
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: be fair here because I'm not hesitant ever on this

464
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: platform or on the TV show really to criticize colleagues

465
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: if I think they're dead wrong. I can't just have

466
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: the guys that I really like or my friends or

467
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: whatever be like a sacred cows here, especially when this

468
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: this is the story that continues to be the story.

469
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: The implication with Gilbert and company that listen, maybe I'd

470
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: have handled that differently, but I worked for Walt Disney.

471
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 3: Come on, man, ye about like the fighting or like

472
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: I was gonna.

473
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it seemed like was being implied.

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Speaker 4: I thought the same like listen, Steven Ain't to his credit,

475
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 4: has gotten in great shape and did like a real boxing.

476
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: Thing and would be a even even you know at

477
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: his at his you know, he's in great japer's age

478
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: and is despite being a decade plus order than me.

479
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: I'll say it would be a significant favorite over most

480
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: other media members. You know what I mean in hand

481
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: to hand combat. But the idea that it's like, well,

482
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: you know, hands are a little tide because I work

483
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: for the mouse. Otherwise, like, come on, man, like, what

484
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: are we like that? Let's just go ahead.

485
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: I don't play a Devil's advocate any longer, but this

486
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 2: last time we'll do it. Do you like what is

487
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: in like? Is are we saying that the only thing

488
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 2: that Stephen A. Smith did wrong was call out Lebron

489
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: James's father, because everything else like in bounds.

490
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 3: What's out about it?

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Speaker 1: Here's so here's what I think. That's a great follow

492
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: up and a great question. The I think that I'm

493
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: pleading with you as a father was out of line.

494
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: It's also what Lebron was responding to that was very

495
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: clear from the morning after the event. I again, I

496
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: set it on this show on a little emergency pod

497
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: that we did right after or over the weekend, but

498
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: before the rj uh interaction with Lebron, and it was

499
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: it was very clear that's what it was about. So

500
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: that is you Now I talked to Vimani about that,

501
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: Butmani says, we need to normalize judging other people's parenting,

502
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: which is an interesting take, and like it's also you know,

503
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: Butmoni's you know, glass house there, not glass house there.

504
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: Bamoni ain't got no kids, so he doesn't know how

505
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: hard you guys can be sometimes. But but the that is,

506
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: that's what triggered Lebron. Okay, that's what it was now

507
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: is the criticism of Bronni. Fair it. Let me, I'm

508
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: gonna tweak how I word that.

509
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Well, I mean also like there's a while back,

510
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: Lebron put out a tweet and I get it's not

511
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: Bronni that tweeted, like it's just unfortunate that it's landing

512
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: on Bronnie the kid when so.

513
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: That tweet is I would argue, and this I think

514
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,959
Speaker 1: kind of speaks to how relatively well, not relatively well,

515
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: but incredibly well Lebron James has handled twenty five years

516
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: in the public eye. That tweets one of the five

517
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: biggest missteps of his whole career, honest to God, like

518
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: it really is. But the fact that everyone keeps pointing

519
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: to this tweet from three years ago as evidence that, oh,

520
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: Lebron has been building Bronnie up bigger than he was,

521
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: I think speaks to the fact that after that tweet,

522
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: Lebron pumped the brakes on it. Right, Like the that

523
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: that tweet was it put a bigger target on Bronnie's back,

524
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: and so that was that was a mistake that that's

525
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: totally fair, and that's that would be criticizing Lebron. You

526
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: know that a decision he made, Like, that's totally fair.

527
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: But that's not what this was about, right, So the

528
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: so but I but to get back to your other

529
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: question is is Bronnie James a fair target for criticism?

530
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: The answer to that is yes, he's an NBA player,

531
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 1: He's a grown man NBA player. Is it also fair

532
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: to say, if this is going to be the one

533
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: and only second round pick in the entire draft in

534
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: the last two drafts three drafts that we are going

535
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: to occasionally criticize on national television, that if you have

536
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: been one of the more vocal critics, whether it was

537
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: his summer League performance or his opening few G League

538
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: games or those awful minutes against the Sixers. Then if

539
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: you really want to be fair, you've got to mix

540
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: in the context and maybe include, oh, he's actually played

541
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: really well since that moment. Now, I think it's probably like,

542
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: does that make sense that if I'm that anybody that

543
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: you are is you don't have to talk about, but

544
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: you choose to talk about either super glowingly or super negatively,

545
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: or it's you know that you insert in. It's probably

546
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: fair to balance the scale to a degree you don't

547
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: have to do. That's why I keep doing the you know,

548
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: where he ranks amongst rookies, and he is somewhere between

549
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: forty eighth and fifty eighth in every single minutes games, points, assists, steals,

550
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: which is what you would hope for from the fifty

551
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: to fifth pick. So that's the other piece of this

552
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: that I think is a little bit of bullshit. If

553
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: you were and this is not, I'm not talking about

554
00:41:53,360 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: Stephen ah here, Okay, if you are to agree, I'm

555
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: kind of talking about one of my dearest friends in

556
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: the world, among others, but among other not among my

557
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: other dearest friends, but Manni is one of my dearest

558
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: friends in the world. He's one of many people who

559
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: were very loud and skeptical about Bronni being drafted. I

560
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: do think what's fair is if you were one of

561
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: those people saying this is a farce of a pick

562
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: to at some point mention he's acquitting himself pretty well

563
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: in the G League, that he's averaging the exact same

564
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: as the Lakers first round pick last year in the

565
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: G League, that he, you know what, like that, because

566
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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear that the people who said

567
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: this is a farce of a pick, if Bronni in

568
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: the G League was four points, couldn't you know? It

569
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: is terrible to be like see, And so I just

570
00:42:54,360 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: I do think though that stuff is well again, I

571
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: just it's also not all that day to day relevant.

572
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: I just what I don't. I just have a really

573
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: hard time with the sequence of I didn't want to

574
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: talk about this. I've now talked about it almost every

575
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: single day on four different platforms since then. I didn't

576
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: know what he was mad about when I got a

577
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: call five weeks ago from his agent about the exact

578
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: thing he's mad about. And anyone with kind of deductive

579
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: reasoning knew that's what he's mad about, having been on

580
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: the record for twenty years about how many games you

581
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: go to and about how everyone you talk about is

582
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: welcome to come up and talk to you about anything

583
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: they say, and when that happens, to say it was

584
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: weak and it was bullshit. And this is why I

585
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: started with the we're not on equal playing field with

586
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: these guys. Sometimes you don't get to respond like you

587
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: can respond. That's let me don't that's I said that wrong.

588
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: That's not what I meant. What I'm trying to say

589
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: is in that moment, I think what he's saying is

590
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: I wanted a phone call so I could give give

591
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: my side of the story, and Lebron was saying, I

592
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: don't give a shit about your side of the story.

593
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: I didn't like what you said, and I wanted you

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00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: to stop it and if we never speak again, no

595
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: skin off my back. And that is a power and

596
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 1: balance because like Lebron's like, I don't care about this relationship.

597
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: You might, I don't, and that just kind of is

598
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: that that that's why I used the Coseel Ali thing. Now,

599
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: cosel actually was incredibly helpful to Ali because Ali had

600
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: the US government working against him and a lot of things.

601
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: So it's not a perfect example at all, but as

602
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: helpful as Howard Cosel was to Muhammad Ali, Howard go

603
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: Sel needed Muhammad Ali in that relationship more than Ali

604
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: ever needed would need him. And no matter how wealthy

605
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: or famous any of us get, we're not the actual stars.

606
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: And then we also have to have the humility to

607
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: at times just take an l. I don't know why

608
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: that is so difficult for certain folks like and that's

609
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: and I'm not just pointing out stephen A there at all.

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00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: That is that is a lot of people again, well

611
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: particularly people that in our business people and are there is.

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00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: It's also why there's kind of this unspoken rule almost

613
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: like oh, you know, I'm in the media, I'm not

614
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: going to criticize other media that I obviously don't subscribe to. You.

615
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: I just think that is somewhat hypocritical almost like we

616
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: can't we we can't do what we do to these

617
00:46:54,320 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: athletes and then act so wounded if somebody he does

618
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: it to us.

619
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: Exactly, it's like this guy needs to change this, like

620
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: that needs to happen it's like I feel like, yeah

621
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: in some fashion, and.

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00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: So listen, I really hope this is the end that

623
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: of this the and the handity thing.

624
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: Made him do it.

625
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: Well, I just I don't. I I don't. Look, given

626
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: all the things Sean Hannity has said about Lebron that

627
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: I find to be in inaccurate on their face and

628
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: wildly unfair, I think going on that turf and doing

629
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: this was and now and again in steven A's defense there,

630
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: it didn't look like he knew that question was coming,

631
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: and he didn't spend a lot of time on it.

632
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: You know, I think he was on there to give

633
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: more political comment, which is a whole nother discussion. But whatever,

634
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: all right, I guess while we're here to Monsey with

635
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: you know, Nick Wright Media Corner, I mean, forty five

636
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: minutes of the podcast, I've talked golf and you know,

637
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: made people I really like and care about in my

638
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: profession probably angry with me. Let's go ahead and finish

639
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: it off.

640
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: Go ahead?

641
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, So you called out NFL insiders for prioritizing

642
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Speaker 2: who was going to make the deals or what was

643
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 2: going on around the deals, as opposed to what actually happened.

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Speaker 3: In the deals. I guess they were being messy going.

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Speaker 1: On no, it's no, no, no, it's it's here's the deal.

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Speaker 1: I don't know when this started, but in the last

647
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Speaker 1: couple of years, during NFL free agency or during any

648
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: contract negotiation, the last words of any tweet from our

649
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: NFL insiders are as negotiated by and then Drew Rosenhaus

650
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: athletes first, Dandy, Nicole Lynn, whatever the agents and it

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Speaker 1: is that is I, here is my and I'll be

652
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: quick on this. Here is my Cliff's notes. Take the

653
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Speaker 1: reason you cultivate these relationships to get the information and

654
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: the reason you will scratch somebody's back. Oh you you

655
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 1: know you assistant general manager tipped me off about a trade.

656
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: Well at the end of the year, when I'm on

657
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: TV talking about potential hot general manager candidates might drop

658
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: your name. Oh you agent gave me this contract detail,

659
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: so I had it first, I, you know, will make

660
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: you know I might share some info that I have

661
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: with you. That is journalism very often is transactional in

662
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: that way. I understand that I am not naive to that. However,

663
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: what the journalist is supposed to get is accurate information

664
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: to give to the public. Here kind of is the flow.

665
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: The team front office and the agent do a deal.

666
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: The journalist has a relationship with someone involved to where

667
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: they are trusted to get the deal info. They give

668
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: that deal info to the fans who really want to

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00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: know the actual info. That's the where it's supposed to go.

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00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: What it has kind of turned into is team and

671
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,479
Speaker 1: agent make a deal that the whole world is gonna

672
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: find out about when the team announces it in a

673
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: half hour. Journalist wants to be first by minutes, very

674
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Speaker 1: often seconds on Twitter. Agent then says, I'll give it

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Speaker 1: to you if you report it under these exact terms

676
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: and this exact language. And then the consumer, who in

677
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: theory is the person trying like that the journalist supposed

678
00:51:55,080 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: to be servicing, gets fucking tricked. It's like, wait, we

679
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: gave him, how much? What's the guarantee? How long is

680
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: the contract? Is it the most in team history? Is

681
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: he the highest paid? We don't know? And then we

682
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: gotta wait days for like Florio to post the actual contract.

683
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: The whole thing's been polluted, and there wasn't What set

684
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: me off about it was And I'm not trying to

685
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: protect anyone here, but I just don't. I don't want

686
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: to get this wrong. And so I'm not gonna say

687
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: the names because I don't actually remember which two reporters

688
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: it was. But there was a pretty just nothing burger

689
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: signing that from a couple days ago, that two reporters

690
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: who worked for two different entities, not colleagues, not like

691
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: Rapport and Pelasaro, who called themselves the insiders, like their

692
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: partner or whatever. And very often sharin Fo posted word

693
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: for word the exact same tweet simultaneously. And I'm like,

694
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: so the agent is just writing the tweet for you

695
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: to send, and you just copy pastings, putting it out

696
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: there like that's that's not what this is and it's

697
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: why so, and and you might say, what does it

698
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: really matter? Well, there there is like here, I'll give

699
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: you an older one, but a real impact of one

700
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: of these DeVante Adams traded to the law to the

701
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders. This is years ago, and the contract

702
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: shatters the wide receiver record for salary. It's thirty million

703
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: dollars per year. That is reported. Okay, tyreek Kill sees

704
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: that tells the chiefs, I want thirty million a year,

705
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: and the chiefs end up having to trade. DeVante adams

706
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: deal was not thirty million a year because the final

707
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: two years, which were thirty six and thirty eight million

708
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: seventy four million of the deal were totally fake and

709
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: that's why he just got cut. So but to the world,

710
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: oh no, Devonte Adams reset the market. He didn't. That

711
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: was not real info, or at least it was info

712
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,479
Speaker 1: with totally devoid of context. Now that's not me crying

713
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: as chiefs and the Tyreek Kill trade end up being

714
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: one of the greatest transactions the team's made. I don't

715
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: think they win the next two Super Bowls if they

716
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: don't do it. But it's just the job is to

717
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: not be first, credit the agent and mislead the audience.

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00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: None of that's the job.

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00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 3: Okay.

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00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: So at this point, say do you want to break

721
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: it first? He was like, none, that's part of the job. Like,

722
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 2: you probably still want to break it first, But ethically, well.

723
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: What you what is first? First to actually have the

724
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: true details, or first to just have a vague piece

725
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: of it so that you know what I mean. So

726
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: here's here's what I My request would be. Just don't

727
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: include the numbers till you have the details on them,

728
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: because here's the thing. What do fans care about? Where'd

729
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: the player go? Team player? Right? Die hards really do

730
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: care about the money because it impacts salary cap all

731
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: that stuff. Well, then you're not servicing the die hards

732
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: if you're giving the money. But it's not the real

733
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 1: money and it's not fully accurate. So just team player,

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00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,720
Speaker 1: team player, team player. Try to be first. And if

735
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: you're not going to be first with at like the

736
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: agents aren't going to feed you the info unless you

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00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 1: agree to include the you know, the most optimistic version

738
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: of the money and credit the agent, well then then

739
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: then maybe you need to find another way to get

740
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: the info. It's hard job. I don't deny it, but

741
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: we're really misleading the audience. I don't think that's great demand.

742
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: Say I'm gonna have no friends left. Everybody's just gonna

743
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,479
Speaker 1: be mad at me. Thank god the super Bowl didn't

744
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: come around for another eleven months.

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Speaker 3: But I'm in a rough spot.

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Speaker 1: Takes on takes Minefield.

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Speaker 3: It's on minefield.

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Speaker 1: Now. I will tell you this is just last thing

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Speaker 1: before you move on. I'm I'm going to Lakers Grizzlies

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00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: in Memphis. I don't know if Lebron will be playing

751
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: or not, but it's at the end of this month,

752
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: and I not the just say it. I took some

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Speaker 1: of those winnings from the poker this week and bought

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00:57:54,440 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: two true court side seats. And I do wonder is

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00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: there a chance that there's just the bizarro version of

756
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: the Lebron Stephen of the interaction of me and just

757
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: caught on camera, just a big tap hug. What's going on?

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00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: How's the family ole thing? Like, I do think it's

759
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: I think it's on the board. I'm saying it's a favorite.

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00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's on the board.

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Speaker 3: I'd say likely.

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00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 2: I think that at the very least interaction like he'll

763
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: he'll see you and you guys have a.

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00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: We have a relationship. We'll see. But but it's also

765
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: so funny. So you know your mom's dear friend Jessica obviously,

766
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: and Jessica and Nicole are in Memphis. So Jessica has

767
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: really good season tickets to the Grizzlies, And when we

768
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: said we were going, she was going to give me

769
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: and your mom her two seats, and I I was

770
00:58:55,400 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: like telling him Nicole, she and Nicole should keep those seats.

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00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: You know they I don't want them to not.

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00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 3: Court side.

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00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: All fine tickets for you and me, baby, So this

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00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: is how it's gonna go, because your sisters are going

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00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: on the trip. So it's going to be me and

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00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: your mom literal court side. What oh, Nicole and Jessica

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Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, So for the first time in his career.

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Speaker 3: Rogers is a free agent.

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh, the Giants, and maybe a little bit of Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: So here's what I think. I think that Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: it would seem, and he, you know, likes that. Well,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, we'd like to give you forty million dollars

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Speaker 1: and then they pivoted Darren Rodgers to be like, okay,

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Speaker 1: that makes you know that's cogent thought, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: This one doesn't make sense to me. And does you

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Speaker 1: understand what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like, I don't I understand what you're saying, Like it's.

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Speaker 1: It just seems like I'm looking for a car. I'm

860
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Speaker 1: either gonna get a Miata Tutor or a Mini van.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, wait a minute, what are you trying

862
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: to get out of this thing? Like the and so

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01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: I just don't I don't follow it in that way,

864
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Speaker 1: that's all. And so I don't know that he'll pick today.

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Speaker 1: I really don't. I also will say this, the folks

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Speaker 1: that believe the Steelers could be anything close to contenders

867
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Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers, they weren't contenders last year with Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers at diappoint in his career is not better

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Speaker 1: than Russell Wilson. I'm not saying he's worse. They're about

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01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: the same. Like, and I know they added George Pickens,

871
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: but man, that feels so combustible. Pickens and Metcalf and

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01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: Rogers like, I don't, I don't. I don't love that

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Speaker 1: at all. All right, let's do OKAC Boston.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the two conference favorites they faced off last

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01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: night and Tatum cooked. He had thirty three, eight and eight.

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01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 2: Boston also shot sixty three threes. I think it was

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Speaker 2: like thirty six at the at the halftime or something

878
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, but yeah, what enough Sga the flopper?

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01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 2: He yeah, he had thirty four points and ten having

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01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 2: free throws. Yeah, what are your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: So listen, okay sees awesome. Yeah, and there is no

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Speaker 1: denying listen with respect to Cleveland, I think okay se

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01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: has been the best team in the league so far

884
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: this year, and they're now too. And oh against Boston,

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01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: they have incredible depth. You remember when we were in

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01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: LA for Thanksgiving, we went you didn't go, but we

887
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: went to Lakers Thunder and I came back after that

888
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: and said, man, they just said wave after wave after

889
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: wave of defender at you. And Shay has just been

890
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: better and better and better ice and yesterday we still

891
01:06:55,160 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: they did that without Jalen Williams. And so you have

892
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,479
Speaker 1: to be wildly impressed by what they did there.

893
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jalen Brown also had a freaking stinker. I don't

894
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 2: know what was going on with JV, but.

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Speaker 1: So he did. But that also speaks to the point

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01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: that I made, which is the sweet spot of NBA

897
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: superstardom is the Jalen Brown Devin Booker tier where you

898
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: get paid as much as anybody. When you're awesome and

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01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: you shut the slow down Luca and you have a

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01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: sweet donk, people are like, man, that guy's great, and

901
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: when you have ten points in this game, nobody cares.

902
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 3: Oh so yeah, listen. I was just telling him. I

903
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 3: honestly think Derek White is the second best player on

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Speaker 3: the team.

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01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 2: I trust the ball and Derick White's hands so much

906
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:47,919
Speaker 2: better than I trusted in Jalen Brown.

907
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 3: Like I get nervous.

908
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to say I'm like, oh my gosh,

909
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 2: he's gonna do something stupid. But I'm just like, when

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01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 2: Derek White has the ball, I noticed that he makes

911
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 2: the better He just always makes the right decision, and

912
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 2: I don't think he gets caught up in is dribbling.

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Speaker 2: I love Derek White, but I don't think he gets

914
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 2: enough credit.

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Speaker 1: But Listen, that's the that's a hell of a take.

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01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: I'd have to like, he doesn't seem to ever make mistakes.

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Speaker 1: I do. I do think that's right. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he has the responsibility Jalen Brown has. But for the Thunder,

919
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: it is still fair to be like, until they do it,

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01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna question if they can do it. And you

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01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: called Shaye the flopper, Listen, Shae can really really manipulate

922
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: the refs in a way that is super effective and

923
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: super beneficial, and it is a skill and more power

924
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Speaker 1: to them are.

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Speaker 3: The refs watching the games back on TV.

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Speaker 1: In real time. The same thing people said with Harden

927
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But here's the thing about that guy.

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01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: Those players usually struggle a bit in the playoffs because

929
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: you don't get all those calls and you've gotten used

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Speaker 1: to it. One of the reasons, sorry to turn everything

931
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Speaker 1: to Lebron, but one of the reasons Lebron is one

932
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: of the rare players. Lebron, Jordan, Luca, Shack, there's you know,

933
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: a few, but Kobe wasn't one of them. Durants now, Durant,

934
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Speaker 1: Durant probably close steph though, is not one of these

935
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:40,919
Speaker 1: guys who have unbelievable regular season numbers and their playoff

936
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 1: numbers across the board get a little bit better. One

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01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,719
Speaker 1: of the reasons that's the case for Lebron is Lebron

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Speaker 1: gets such a shitty whistle in the regular season, the

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01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: playoff whistle doesn't impact him negatively. He's used to it,

940
01:09:55,320 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: like and so the harden Embiid will see about Shay

941
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 1: guys who get this unbelievable regular season whistle. So listen,

942
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: the Thunder deserve all the credit in the world, but

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Speaker 1: it's allowed to be a little skeptical of them. Boston.

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Speaker 1: I know everyone's going to be like, Boston shoots too

945
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: many threes, and I don't love it. Stylistically, they're they're

946
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: defending champs and they're the favorites to win the title.

947
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: Like it, it does seem to be effective. Sixty three is,

948
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Speaker 1: you know, the most they've ever shot. So that's that's

949
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Speaker 1: not even that's not standard even for them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we were down in the entire time, were

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Speaker 2: trying to shoot threes to get out of that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but you are getting blown out or

953
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: out and so I would not be shocked if this

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Speaker 1: is a finals preview. I do think though, that if

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Speaker 1: the Lakers are healthy, they can clip Okay, Sae, and

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01:10:56,200 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: it's really looking like that's a likely second round matchup. No, man,

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Speaker 1: if we could get somehow this second round Eastern Conference

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Speaker 1: Calves Bucks, Celtics Knicks that just need the bracket to

959
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: hold Western Conference thunder Lakers, and we need one upset

960
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: for this next thing, and then Nuggets Warriors that'd be

961
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Speaker 1: an all time second round man all the time. What

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Speaker 1: are you shaking your head about going through those?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, that's oh, I was shaking my head

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Speaker 2: because it was a Celtics, No Celtics Knicks. I would

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01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: love that, I mean because we.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys crush them. But I just think it'd

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01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: be a good be a good matchup. All right. I there,

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Speaker 1: I was sent a truly unbelievable clip that I hope

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Speaker 1: demand is not yet heard because I want to see

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Speaker 1: his real reaction, real time reaction. Have you heard this yet, Demanse, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I listened to it. Okay, all right, Well

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Speaker 1: sent to me. I had forgotten about this before the

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen NFL Draft, before First Things First Yet existed.

996
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: Chris Carter and I filled in for Colin Cowherd and

997
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: we interviewed a few of the draft prospects. One of

998
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:51,759
Speaker 1: them was a potential first round pick out of Texas

999
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: Tech named Patrick mahomes I. And here is one of

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Speaker 1: the questions I asked him. Listen to his answer, Patrick,

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01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 1: I've got a son who's around your age, just a

1002
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: little bit younger than you, and I did something with

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01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: him that I want to do with you. Right now,

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01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: you're not driving.

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01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 3: Are you no, sir?

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01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 1: Okay?

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01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 3: All right?

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01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: Ten years from now, close your eyes. Think about it.

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01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 1: In a perfect world, everything goes great. You are doing

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01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 1: exactly what you want to do. Take me ten years

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01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: from now. Describe where you are and what you don't

1012
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: have to tell me a city, but describe what your

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01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 1: life is ten years from this moment.

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01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 3: Ten years from now, I hope to have a family,

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01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 3: a wife and a kid, or maybe two and I'm

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01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 3: playing in the NFL, one of the best quarterbacks in

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01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 3: the NFL and have a couple of Super Bowl championships

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01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 3: with me.

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01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 1: Well, there you go, so like that, So you already

1020
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: know your endpoint. Man. So now that you know your endpoint,

1021
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 1: every fork in the road, every decision you make, just

1022
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 1: keep in mind that's the end point you're trying to

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01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: get to. Where people screw up, at least my sec

1024
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 1: is they don't know where they're trying to get to.

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01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: So you get to fork in the road and you

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01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: don't know do I go left right? But Patrick just

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01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: said it's got a wife and kids, So I guess

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01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: that means he's got to, you know, be hitting the

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01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: dating scene in the off season a little bit, I guess.

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01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: And he got a couple quarters and got a couple

1031
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: Super Bowl championship, still playing in the league. He already

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01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: knows where he's going. He's got to figure out how

1033
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: to get there.

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Speaker 3: Step one, download Tinder.

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Speaker 1: So that is remarkable by Patrick that he set the

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01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: goals that high and exceeded all of them. He said

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Speaker 1: one or two kids, he's at three. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: obviously when I was saying hit the dating scene that

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01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: he was in a serious relationship. Yeah, you know what

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01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 1: I mean that he had the woman in mind. He

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01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 1: had the woman in mind, and he said one of

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01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks in the league with a couple championships,

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01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: he's the best quarterback in the league and has three.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is a really really cool thing. And

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Speaker 1: then the also him. Yeah, right, so that was eight

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Speaker 1: years ago. It was eight years ago, So that was, Uh,

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Speaker 1: that was I had no recollection of that. Isn't that amazing?

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01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's truly awesome. I got it.

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01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that that was really cool. So I

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01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 1: don't know if he I'm gonna I'm gonna send if

1051
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Speaker 1: we put out that clip right there, a little throwback Thursday.

1052
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: Also again, folks who accuse me of hair plugs or anything,

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Speaker 1: look closely at that video. You see I have a

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01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: full hairline. I just have a shaved head. I don't

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01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 1: look like a guy who lost his hair. Look, this

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01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 1: idea is everywhere you can see doesn't matter. Point is

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Speaker 1: uh Yeah, I mean that's not a guy who's bald,

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Speaker 1: that's a guy who shaved his head. Wasn't the greatest look.

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Speaker 3: I would say he could lose that one. Probably don't

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Speaker 3: ever want to get back to that one unless you

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Speaker 3: have to.

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Speaker 1: The but regardless, I don't know. My guess is Patrick

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Speaker 1: doesn't remember that either. But if we put out that clip,

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Speaker 1: I'll send it to him. That was really cool. Good

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Speaker 1: for him, all right, good job demands, Good job everybody.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Blue Duck, thank you to the folks

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Speaker 1: at the volume, thank you, DraftKings, thank you to the listeners.

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Speaker 1: I don't think any emergency pods this weekend. I need

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Speaker 1: to actually catch up and sleep at some point. TV

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Speaker 1: show in three hours. See you guys there. What's right