Speaker 1: Yeah. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production
Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render,
Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f
Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear
Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. Um, hey,
Speaker 1: before we get started here, if you don't mind, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna change my boot in your I feel like I
Speaker 1: should go change. I feel under dressed. So I'm Brent.
Speaker 1: Why don't you describe what I'm putting on here? I'm speachless.
Speaker 1: Clay has pulled out a pair of gray crocs official
Speaker 1: Crocs because I can see the alligator on the side,
Speaker 1: and he has them in work mode. They are four
Speaker 1: wheel drive and they match his puffy jacket. They do
Speaker 1: match my gray puffy jacket and quite the ensemble. Now,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, are we do I need to hook
Speaker 1: money in? Are we going to fight for this? I
Speaker 1: would hook him in four wheel drive? Here we go.
Speaker 1: I just after last render, when you know, kind of
Speaker 1: dogged on the crocs and my kids bought these for
Speaker 1: me for Christmas, so they are they're highly convenient, the
Speaker 1: gift that keeps on giving a waterproof jelly. The man
Speaker 1: they are, especially when you're duck hunting, because I was
Speaker 1: this week. If you listen to the podcast, you heard
Speaker 1: me say that I have a goal to see how
Speaker 1: long I can be a water fowler, which I'm a
Speaker 1: new water fowler. How long I can be a water
Speaker 1: fowler and not actually own my own pair of waiters,
Speaker 1: some borrowing waiters. But it's come back to bite me
Speaker 1: when Sean Weaver is the guy you're barring him from
Speaker 1: because he duck hunts, you know, hundred days a year
Speaker 1: or whatever. And uh, the waiters that he let me
Speaker 1: borrow had a whole I learned that you can take
Speaker 1: crux with you so you can stay in the waiters
Speaker 1: the least amount of time possible. Let's let's talk about
Speaker 1: another thing, and that is that you were complaining about
Speaker 1: how they made your figure look. You're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I look huge in these. It's a true story, he did.
Speaker 1: They were giant. Looked big on camera. Yeah, they're giant.
Speaker 1: They were, Brent. I mean they were like eighteen inches
Speaker 1: wide at the knees. Well, I heard slim fit waiter. Okay,
Speaker 1: makes you look like ten pounds tremor. I'm really just
Speaker 1: looking forward to see a first light offers like a
Speaker 1: modern cut. I'll tell you what, Clay, I started off
Speaker 1: the season with six pairs of waiters and we're down.
Speaker 1: We're whittled down to two. Wow, it's pretty rough. He
Speaker 1: fly fishing waiters as what he's using. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: sorry for him because I think those are leaking. Now. Well,
Speaker 1: those big waiters you gave me, they looked pretty good.
Speaker 1: But listen to this hot tip, Austin. I'm gonna introduce
Speaker 1: everybody here in just a minute. Hot tip. These waiters
Speaker 1: were like soaked in the left foot and we hunted
Speaker 1: the day before and it's cold, and I mean it
Speaker 1: took me four hours to get warm once I got home.
Speaker 1: It was it was I was chilling cold. I think
Speaker 1: it's play some coffee to warm him up while we
Speaker 1: were hunting. Yeah, it worked. What I did the next
Speaker 1: day because they didn't dry out, is I put a
Speaker 1: ziplock bag over my foot. It worked. Great. You done
Speaker 1: that before. I carry a roll of trash bag really yeah, Lea.
Speaker 1: And the great thing about the trash bag is you
Speaker 1: can tie it off the ankle, shin the knee, crotch,
Speaker 1: and I've gone that out with him. Like, what's the
Speaker 1: old thing you used to do with the pillowcases? Put
Speaker 1: them around your feet when you're a little kid, hop
Speaker 1: around like a potato. Yeah, yeah, have you ever done
Speaker 1: that with like two legs? And the waiters and oh man, waiters,
Speaker 1: waiters a whole another story. Hey, once again, we have
Speaker 1: to we have like legitimate guests on the render all over.
Speaker 1: Brent and I are the only ones that are the
Speaker 1: regulars here, the curmudgeons. Yeah, so Brent, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to really behave beyond our best game because we have
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go left to right to our left Max
Speaker 1: barta of meat eater. Max is Uh. Probably should introduce
Speaker 1: Sean first because Max works with Sean right right hand man,
Speaker 1: but you're left handed. Is that a slight to him?
Speaker 1: Keep moving? Um? Max is Uh photographer, producer, waterfowl hunter,
Speaker 1: twenty five years old, paternal twin um, and he eats
Speaker 1: a lot. He's trim man though, eats a lot. But
Speaker 1: read on his Instagram profile handle he can make he
Speaker 1: can make friends with the two before. And it's true,
Speaker 1: It's true. Thank you for having me Burger's Render. Max Barta.
Speaker 1: Max Barta sounds like a future president. It's a good name.
Speaker 1: That's funny you bring that about that yet, But maybe
Speaker 1: it's funny you bring that up because every time, every
Speaker 1: time we roll into a new group of people, we're
Speaker 1: trying to do something, trying to get somewhere and get
Speaker 1: something accomplished. Max slows us down. And I always say,
Speaker 1: don't worry. Max is just running for president. That's right,
Speaker 1: because I'm just talking to people, getting you know, him nice,
Speaker 1: trying to make him smile. You should say, for for
Speaker 1: for the record here, I'm Max Parta and I endorse
Speaker 1: this message. Yeah, okay, I'll say my name is Max
Speaker 1: Parta and I endorse this message. Representative Left Sean Wever
Speaker 1: of Meter Sean you you're you're an old pro on
Speaker 1: Burgers have not been on the render though, Nope, not
Speaker 1: been on the render. Sean drove. He drove to my
Speaker 1: house from Missouri. He was on his well, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was far for him because he drove from Utah
Speaker 1: to Missouri and then down to my house late one
Speaker 1: night to record those that session that we did. So
Speaker 1: that was a night, but it was worth it. It
Speaker 1: ended up being worth it for you. I mean it
Speaker 1: was you did really good. And so Sean works for
Speaker 1: meat either you you've worked for Meat Eater for less
Speaker 1: than less than a year. Yeah, but we are currently
Speaker 1: actually this is our last duck Hunt of the season,
Speaker 1: putting the final touches on the new show duck Lore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she'll be part of the Meat Eater network. You can
Speaker 1: we tell people how many shows there are? Is that
Speaker 1: a secret? The first season will be six episodes, and
Speaker 1: we're also filming the second season in the same year,
Speaker 1: which will be six episodes, so they're twelve episodes. Twelve episodes,
Speaker 1: and we can we can say that that's what that's
Speaker 1: why we're here right now. That's why we will later
Speaker 1: disclose where we're at. Not yet though. All all Austin
Speaker 1: all entertainment is is just drama, drama and hooks. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you you you have a little drama like this
Speaker 1: is a secret location and then you but you tell
Speaker 1: them you're gonna tell it later. So we'll tell you
Speaker 1: where we're at later. Later, I meaning like when do
Speaker 1: we get to our next guest. No, it's great to
Speaker 1: have you shot. It's been awesome. Hunting with you. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk to more about about our hunting to your
Speaker 1: left and Marie d Ramos and Marie. Great to see you, Clay,
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Glad to be here. So
Speaker 1: Anne Marie is a commissioner and this is the reason
Speaker 1: we have to be on our best behavior, you two
Speaker 1: as well. Commissioner of a little organization they called the
Speaker 1: Arkansas Game and Fish Commission. And so we've been here,
Speaker 1: Sean and I and Max have been here hunting with
Speaker 1: Anne Marie for the last four days, five days, and uh,
Speaker 1: she's been hosting our team here at kind of the family,
Speaker 1: the Family Duck Club, which has been super fun. Great
Speaker 1: to have you, hey, glad to be here. We've had
Speaker 1: a great time the past few days, got our fair
Speaker 1: share of hunts in um got you on your very
Speaker 1: first god Wall shoot, which bravo. We're glad that you
Speaker 1: finally moved away from the Millard. Yeah. Yeah, although she
Speaker 1: shooting mallards is a lot of fun, I will say that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we did have a good shoot on the
Speaker 1: first day, had a great hunt second day. And uh, anyway,
Speaker 1: I think we're going to get out there in the
Speaker 1: morning to before you guys head out. Yeah, we'll talk
Speaker 1: more about our We'll talk more about our hunt. How
Speaker 1: long you've been a commissioner, Emory, This is my third year,
Speaker 1: so it's a seven year term. It is seven year
Speaker 1: term into seven year term, that's right. And I served
Speaker 1: with six other commissioners from around the state. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: one non voting commissioner who is always the head of
Speaker 1: the Biology and Zoology Department for the University of Arkansas,
Speaker 1: doctor Stephen Bouprey. Got to get him a shout out
Speaker 1: snake man and try he is snake man. Yeah, snake man. Um,
Speaker 1: tell me describe how the commission works, like, do most
Speaker 1: states have a pointed commission? Do we know that? In
Speaker 1: your next The next guest I'm gonna introduce is Austin Booth,
Speaker 1: the director of the Game's Fish most states, but that
Speaker 1: is a secret. I'm not gonna tell you that until later. Well,
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you exactly the number, but I do know. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's many states were actually, So let me go back
Speaker 1: to what the commission does. Essentially, where a governing body
Speaker 1: who oversees the rules and regulation for all fish and
Speaker 1: wildlife in the state of Arkansas. So a lot of
Speaker 1: responsibility on our shoulders. And in other states. I do
Speaker 1: know that some are still their rules and regulations are
Speaker 1: controlled by the legislature, correct Austin. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: each state has their fish and wildlife agencies who determine that.
Speaker 1: And so tell me, tell me what what would you say?
Speaker 1: Your main job is as a commissioner hearing, hearing from
Speaker 1: the public, listening to the public, balancing science and public
Speaker 1: opinion in order to make the best decisions possible for
Speaker 1: our sportsmen and women throughout the state to Arkansas, but
Speaker 1: primarily making regulations. Yes, well, and uh more than that,
Speaker 1: approving budget approvals. For instance, we just this last month
Speaker 1: approved for a boat ramp to be put in down
Speaker 1: in South Arkansas. So several of the things that we
Speaker 1: do in regards to you know, not just fish and wildlife,
Speaker 1: but infrastructure throughout the state. Yeah, awesome. Um, who are
Speaker 1: your favorite? Uh? I'm kidding, I can't favorite. I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask some awkward questions, are you gonna were you
Speaker 1: gonna ask who would be like my ideal dinner party
Speaker 1: or something something like that. But I was gonna ask
Speaker 1: who your other favorite commissioners were. But this was a
Speaker 1: joke all of them. We have a really great group
Speaker 1: of commissioners were we're all friends, we all work great together,
Speaker 1: and I feel really really lucky to to serve on
Speaker 1: this panel with the group that we're that we have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it is interesting. And I'm not an expert
Speaker 1: on government, nor an expert on the way other state
Speaker 1: agencies work, but there are there are government structure, state
Speaker 1: government structures where the legislature votes for wildlife regulations and laws, okay,
Speaker 1: And so that to me is a problem because then
Speaker 1: whether our dear season is this date to this date,
Speaker 1: or are bear season is this to this all of
Speaker 1: a sudden becomes a literal political issue that you vote
Speaker 1: on to the general public. And so people start to
Speaker 1: run on campaigns about wildlife, just like the New Jersey
Speaker 1: governor did when he said in a I mean it
Speaker 1: was like a this is part of my campaign platform.
Speaker 1: Did he get rid of bear season? Yeah? He did.
Speaker 1: He said We're gonna shut down bear hunting in New
Speaker 1: Jersey and he did it. And so because every and
Speaker 1: I said this in the podcast, any type of government,
Speaker 1: somebody's going to be have some reason why, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't like it. And I take it he had
Speaker 1: never been bear hunting. Yeah, no, no, no point being
Speaker 1: how being a commission seven people or eight people that
Speaker 1: are making wildlife decisions, it's usually really good. I mean,
Speaker 1: because these people are typically going to be people that
Speaker 1: are involved in wildlife management. And I would rather entrust
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff to seven people that have some
Speaker 1: founding in the state rather than the general public. So
Speaker 1: that's just my two bits on state government. Because my
Speaker 1: buddies up in Michigan, so we worked pretty closely in
Speaker 1: UH with Bear Hunting magazine, with the Wisconsin Bear Hunters
Speaker 1: Association and the Michigan Bear Hunters Association. Super strong state
Speaker 1: agencies that raise tons of money and basically they spend
Speaker 1: their life fighting anti hunting legislation and and that is
Speaker 1: and it's because they have that type of government that
Speaker 1: and so anyway, it's just a fight. So love it.
Speaker 1: And one of the many things that we have going
Speaker 1: for us in Arkansas is UH we have a great legislature.
Speaker 1: They strongly support the outdoors. They understand the economic benefit
Speaker 1: to Arkansas that you know, tourism brings all the out
Speaker 1: of state hunters coming here, out of state anglers. They
Speaker 1: know their communities just as well as we do, and
Speaker 1: they understand how in the natural state outdoors is is
Speaker 1: just in our veins, and having a commission that makes
Speaker 1: those decisions basically insulates us from outside political influence outside
Speaker 1: the state coming into the state. And so it's not
Speaker 1: so much that we have a problem with the legislature here,
Speaker 1: but it understood it kind of insulates us from out
Speaker 1: of state influence. And uh, couldn't be happier with the
Speaker 1: legislation that we have. I agree with that, Austin. Actually
Speaker 1: there's several legislative legislators who are hunters and anglers too,
Speaker 1: but they're not proud of I was within this Afrinat
Speaker 1: did you introduce that fund? Man? Hey, you you keep
Speaker 1: your chair, Butty, we we take twenty minutes on introductions. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not like you're not president yet. Okay, Okay, friendly reminder,
Speaker 1: Max would do that. You're such a nice guy. Is
Speaker 1: going to be left out. Wait till I get to
Speaker 1: this guy to Anne Marie's left, Austin, both the director
Speaker 1: of the Arkansas Games. You're like a regular of the burglaries.
Speaker 1: Now if regular means to then you're right. Good to
Speaker 1: have you man, Great to have you now. If I
Speaker 1: get crocs, will create from regular to emeritus. No place
Speaker 1: to go. But I feel like I need to go
Speaker 1: change into crocs. Well, I'm embarrassed. If my family was here,
Speaker 1: if my wife was here, I couldn't wear these. She
Speaker 1: don't like Well, I might have to defend her and
Speaker 1: you can't. She loves him, right, Yeah, you just look.
Speaker 1: I mean, if if let's say, something goes wrong between
Speaker 1: me and Austin, you know, and we go fist to cuff,
Speaker 1: he's gonna beat me to the ground because for a
Speaker 1: couple of reasons. I'm gonna go ahead and say it
Speaker 1: is the other reason the knuckle dragging marine, because I've
Speaker 1: heard that before. You know, I'm pretty worry. But you know, Austin,
Speaker 1: you've been duck hunting a lot, though I have. You
Speaker 1: have some good, good duck hunts. I've been on some
Speaker 1: great hunts this year. Yeah, we've got a lot of
Speaker 1: ducks in the state right now. It's here. Yes, Uh,
Speaker 1: we're loaded full with hunters, loaded full with ducks. Still
Speaker 1: down for the long term average, but duck hunters or ducks, ducks,
Speaker 1: ducks compared to where we were last month, a whole
Speaker 1: lot of ducks in the state right now. We just
Speaker 1: learned we were Sean and I were in a boat
Speaker 1: with Luke Naylor a couple of days ago, and he
Speaker 1: was describing to us the aerial counting. Yes. I just
Speaker 1: turned to Luke and I said, how many Mallard ducks
Speaker 1: are in Arkansas right now? And he just spouted off.
Speaker 1: I think he said five and thirty thousand five I've
Speaker 1: hunned thirty two thousand and then and I said, okay,
Speaker 1: how do you know that? And he described to us
Speaker 1: how they how they bring a cauldron and an airplane
Speaker 1: and they sprinkle like a weird concoction of of like
Speaker 1: guard blood and anti freeze, and just like, no, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like, man, this is no there there. Can
Speaker 1: you describe how they count those? Do you know? It was?
Speaker 1: It was transsex where they fly random lines across the
Speaker 1: delta and uh, they get a count on that line
Speaker 1: and then extrapolate out over those different transsex over the
Speaker 1: square mileage of the delta. How many ducks that would be?
Speaker 1: That's amazing. And I asked him, I said, how how
Speaker 1: confident are you in that number? And he may have
Speaker 1: been joking, but he said, plus or minds a hundred fifty,
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't think he was joking. Maybe
Speaker 1: he was, but he was Yeah. Yeah, so that's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: Do other states do other states do? Like? Are we
Speaker 1: doing weekly counts during duck season? No, we do a
Speaker 1: handful throughout the season, but they're not weekly. Um and
Speaker 1: uh no, it's based on the splits. But there are
Speaker 1: other states that do them. But obviously this is Arkansas.
Speaker 1: We do it. We do it best for sure. It's uh,
Speaker 1: entirely based on places that are kind of epicenters. Right
Speaker 1: state would the Illinois the Illinois River Valley, I believe
Speaker 1: it gets flown every week. Um, the Missouri River in
Speaker 1: South Dakota gets from North Dakota week Dakota as well weekly. Um,
Speaker 1: just kind of depends where you're at. But places that
Speaker 1: are I guess historic migration routes and also epicenters of
Speaker 1: water Fowler's typically get flown. Yeah, that's that's really neat.
Speaker 1: To Austin's left, Brent reeves chick one and Neel like, good,
Speaker 1: good to have you brand. So Brent drove down from
Speaker 1: where he lives. So we are I haven't said where.
Speaker 1: I did say where we're at. We're in we're in
Speaker 1: Southeast Arkansas, and of Delta. I said we were at
Speaker 1: Amrie's family duck camp, which is true, but that is
Speaker 1: located in southeast Arkansas near Stuttguard. Yeah, stuck Guard, the
Speaker 1: duck capital of the world. Stuttgard close to where actually
Speaker 1: Brent used to used to hunt quite a minute just
Speaker 1: up the road. Yeah. Yeah, so you hunted ten fifteen
Speaker 1: miles from stutt Guard. Oh no, red ailes from here
Speaker 1: is probably what is it eight miles? Man miles? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: not far hunting the same ducks, it looks I'm a
Speaker 1: question for Brent, just so I can have a baseline
Speaker 1: for your formal attire. You're wearing crocs this time. The
Speaker 1: last render, you had a zip tie on your overalls.
Speaker 1: Have you upgraded to a button? The button? This is
Speaker 1: a button. I was wearing those yesterday and I thought, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm glad they didn't come out in the rotation tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Do you have to cut off the zip tie every time? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: it's all the side, Okay, gotcha, Yeah, no, it's zip time.
Speaker 1: We were talking the other day a friend of mine.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I said this in the last
Speaker 1: render or not, but a friend of mine who I
Speaker 1: met during bear bating season last year. Corey Eisenhower brought
Speaker 1: me a mess of squirrels and I was talking to
Speaker 1: him on the phone. I hang up the phone and
Speaker 1: Alexis says, what what were you saying? I said, well,
Speaker 1: my friend Corey is gonna bring me some some squirrels.
Speaker 1: She said, did you say he was gonna bring you
Speaker 1: a mess of squirrels? My wife from Texas? I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: my friend Corey is bringing me a mess of squirrel
Speaker 1: She said, I swear, It's like I've been living on
Speaker 1: an eleven year episode of he Hall with no commercial.
Speaker 1: Sometimes she wonders how she got to where she's at.
Speaker 1: Every time I see her, I wonder how she got
Speaker 1: because she's such a wonderful woman. She has a taste
Speaker 1: for roughness. Oh my goodness, Sean, walk us through our
Speaker 1: our waterfowl hunts and let let me say, let me
Speaker 1: just tell people, I have been immersed into the Arkansas
Speaker 1: waterfowl world for the last a month and a half,
Speaker 1: more than any time in my entire life. Okay, I've
Speaker 1: quickly become very opinionated, very informed, very knowledgeable, and like
Speaker 1: all my other waterfowl friends, pretty much know what to do,
Speaker 1: very good duck color at the best. No, no, I have. Um,
Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting how this all came about, but
Speaker 1: it was I was bound to end up in Arkansas
Speaker 1: duck hunting just because it's I mean, I've lived so
Speaker 1: close to my whole life and it just wasn't something
Speaker 1: that we did, didn't have any connections here, and then
Speaker 1: to come here and to experience it, and more than
Speaker 1: just experience it, to see the culture of it. And
Speaker 1: then it's one thing to hear from somebody from Stuck
Speaker 1: Guard or somebody from down here like you three, how
Speaker 1: cool it is and the culture here. The real data
Speaker 1: point that I listened to that was like, hey, these
Speaker 1: folks ain't lying with Sean Weaver, who has been like Clay,
Speaker 1: this is the place for waterfowl culture. Even last summer
Speaker 1: when we started planning doing a hunt together, it kind
Speaker 1: of blew my mind a little bit. I was like,
Speaker 1: you live in Arkansas. We've got to get you into
Speaker 1: the Delta and do some duck hunting. We have to.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so this this week's hunts have been before
Speaker 1: we before we go there. So we went into Stuck Guarden,
Speaker 1: we went to Max's Prairie Wings, which is an event
Speaker 1: all of its own. Austin's eyes are rolling in the
Speaker 1: back of Max. Okay, Max tell us about going to
Speaker 1: Max's Prairie Wings. So Ever since I started water for hunting,
Speaker 1: we didn't have any like great waterfall stores up in
Speaker 1: North Dakota, and me and my dad, I was shopped
Speaker 1: on Max's Prayer Wings and this was ten named after
Speaker 1: the Max M A C K S and M A X.
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, so like growing up, me and my
Speaker 1: dad would always shop online at Max Perry Wings and
Speaker 1: I was so such a big fan of it because
Speaker 1: like every time a Max package showed up, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's gonna be. It's gonna be decoys.
Speaker 1: So when we're up in the parking lot we're walking in,
Speaker 1: you were like, I've been waiting fifteen years for Yeah,
Speaker 1: he disappeared in the store. We didn't find him for
Speaker 1: like walked down every single while when we when I
Speaker 1: was like, I think all you bought was chapstick, though
Speaker 1: every dull. When I said it's time to go, he goes.
Speaker 1: I have not walked down every aisle yet. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it was fun. Max brought the energy that I needed
Speaker 1: when I walked into Max. But so we went there
Speaker 1: and you know, there's just kind of a waterfowl episode,
Speaker 1: are you walking? Everybody's there all water Fowler's you know,
Speaker 1: you just you just kind of realize you're in this
Speaker 1: like hub of seriousness for this thing. Well, then we
Speaker 1: drive down the street just within sight to go see
Speaker 1: Jimbo ron Quest. Yeah, we actually had to get on
Speaker 1: the two lane road and back in, but yes, it's
Speaker 1: like right there. They told me we're gonna go by
Speaker 1: Jimbo shop. And I had only met him just un
Speaker 1: couple of days, but we were at a duck camp
Speaker 1: and they said we're gonna go to a shop. I
Speaker 1: am envisioning a wood shop where people make duck calls,
Speaker 1: like a small metal building maybe with a couple of yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe some ELPs, you know, some duck mounts maybe and
Speaker 1: a little bit of this and that. Man, it is
Speaker 1: a straight up like a beautiful facility, very I mean,
Speaker 1: the architecture of it's super cool. And it's the R
Speaker 1: and T World headquarters and you go in there and
Speaker 1: there's a I don't know if it's a restaurant, but
Speaker 1: there's a bar there and they were just guys hanging out.
Speaker 1: I mean, just crowded with people. Why didn't know anything
Speaker 1: like that existed? Like what I wanted to have was
Speaker 1: like the squirrel and Coon Club up in northwest Arkansas
Speaker 1: where everybody came in. I don't I just don't think
Speaker 1: we're as cool as the waterfow guys. But so I
Speaker 1: say all that to say, there's so much built down
Speaker 1: here around this culture, which is so cool. But I
Speaker 1: would come to your squirrel club, you'd come up there.
Speaker 1: I went, I'm here. I'm a squirrel hunter. Now you
Speaker 1: are and a squirrel hunter. Yeah, we went squirrel hunting
Speaker 1: the second day. Yeah, before before you get to the ducks,
Speaker 1: we got to talk about the squirrels priority. I think it.
Speaker 1: I think we'll come back to the squirrel about surel
Speaker 1: tell us about our tell us about our hunts, what
Speaker 1: about stuck? I think it is worth mentioning with the
Speaker 1: Max and R and T that it also demonstrated how
Speaker 1: small the waterfowl community can get and how you can
Speaker 1: be just one person to removed from pretty much everybody.
Speaker 1: Because we ran into several friends and and like, you know,
Speaker 1: someone that Max has known since he was a little
Speaker 1: kid um in R and T shop and I ran
Speaker 1: into a friend in Max and it just it gets
Speaker 1: small quick. But now our our hunts, you know, we
Speaker 1: started off here on Anne Marie's, which is was great,
Speaker 1: and kicked it off with a cypress hunt, which alone
Speaker 1: was like worth the big big reservoir basically a man
Speaker 1: made like that had big big cypress trees scattered all
Speaker 1: throughout it. Yep. And it was a god wall hole, yes,
Speaker 1: it was. You know what we gad wald Clay. So
Speaker 1: what we did, he had to we had to diversify
Speaker 1: his his duck harvest. He joke was that I had
Speaker 1: only killed Mallard's, which is a true store. I had
Speaker 1: only killed Millard's my whole waterfowl career, how days you know,
Speaker 1: and club at West Fork, Arkansas. Yeah, and so we killed, uh,
Speaker 1: we killed several goad walls, which broke my streak of Mallards.
Speaker 1: And so you know, the joke became that they gadballed me,
Speaker 1: because we know the Mallard is the king that's been established.
Speaker 1: But it was a great, it was. It was super fun.
Speaker 1: It actually was one of my well it's better than
Speaker 1: the rice hunt, but it was fun. I'd like to
Speaker 1: go back there. It was fun. What I liked about
Speaker 1: that hunt. It was basically Clay and I in one
Speaker 1: cluster of trees, the other Amory and Sean and the
Speaker 1: other camera guy in another cluster of trees, and it
Speaker 1: was kind of like Clay and I versus them, and
Speaker 1: we would shoot the ducks on left side. They would
Speaker 1: shoot the ducks on the right side. But it was
Speaker 1: just so much fun just to gab back and forth
Speaker 1: and just overall great time, which is pretty good. They
Speaker 1: learned a few things. Max, give me give me a
Speaker 1: quick estimate on his shale to duck ratio. I will
Speaker 1: say Clay likes to shoot. It doesn't matter if they're
Speaker 1: at fifteen yards or fifty yards. I have to plays
Speaker 1: on her for a minute here though, Are you wearing
Speaker 1: you got a double? I was getting to that point.
Speaker 1: Pair come in on the left side and dumped them both. Yeah,
Speaker 1: guess what we said, Sean. Clay turned over and he's like,
Speaker 1: did you guys shoot? I was like, why did those
Speaker 1: ducks fall so quick? Sean? Are you calling a double?
Speaker 1: Two ducks with two shots or two ducks with yaho
Speaker 1: for two Yeah, it does take a little bit of time.
Speaker 1: To understand when you're sky busting and when you're not.
Speaker 1: And that is still a little unclear to me. The
Speaker 1: very first shot of the day I think was Clay
Speaker 1: trying to skybust a duck. Is that right I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do I will I will say, yeah, that is correct.
Speaker 1: I will say I appreciate that. When Clay doesn't hit
Speaker 1: a duck, he turns to me and says, that was
Speaker 1: that sky bus? Was that too far? Was that too far?
Speaker 1: I not have done that, ye, which I respect that
Speaker 1: because I was trying to learn. Sure. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: like he's just willing Nelly burning boxes of shells. I
Speaker 1: just don't like to let opportunities slip through your fingers. Man.
Speaker 1: We really really threw Clay off though, Sean. When we
Speaker 1: started our gad Wall duck calls, he was like, why
Speaker 1: are you guys just going meet me? Oh? He got
Speaker 1: on me. He goes, that's not how my boys, So
Speaker 1: that's not how me and Jim called. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: a fan of the goad Wall. They just got no
Speaker 1: hard in their call. You know, the mall. It's like
Speaker 1: they're stuck in traffic and in the in the in
Speaker 1: the gadwalls. Like, that's about what they sound like. I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, Sean, you're never gonna call
Speaker 1: it god while with that trust me, I mean, you've
Speaker 1: never done Okay, So we have the gadwall. Shoot, maybe
Speaker 1: all let Amory tell about the next the next time
Speaker 1: at what y'all call them the Mayor's Field? Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Mayor's Field, Yeah, because it is h it's a field
Speaker 1: located across the street from the self proclaim mayor of
Speaker 1: this area's house. So yeah, pretty straightforward. Yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 1: could so pretty pretty straightforward on our on our naming
Speaker 1: of our duck holes. But uh yeah, we hunted hunted
Speaker 1: into rice field very very windy day. We had a
Speaker 1: north wind that was what like twenty miles per hour
Speaker 1: that leaves I mean, yeah, it was super duper windy.
Speaker 1: And we have a blind there on the corner. But
Speaker 1: I don't always like to hunt out of a blind.
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes they can flare off of it.
Speaker 1: So actually we went about a hundred and fifty words
Speaker 1: west of where that blind is and set up all
Speaker 1: behind the trees were sitting on the ground, um and
Speaker 1: and we knew we knew there were a bunch of
Speaker 1: ducks in there, but we did. We scouted the day
Speaker 1: before we had seen just just mallards just piling in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they wanted in their backs. We got a beautiful watch
Speaker 1: the night before. It was a good scout. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: go in, uh, have our shoot, and we're done by
Speaker 1: nine o'clock. Had a even a futile light in the hole.
Speaker 1: So that was that was really cool. I think A
Speaker 1: cool thing to mention there is that we were hunting
Speaker 1: them like turkeys, sitting under the base of a tree,
Speaker 1: sitting on sitting on a little pad. Yeah. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was fun um calling like that. We're calling in a
Speaker 1: lot of pairs. It wasn't like big groups mallards. Well,
Speaker 1: it's so late in the season that they are you know,
Speaker 1: paired up right now, so that's typically how you're going
Speaker 1: to see them. Yeah. So I don't think I scout
Speaker 1: busted any on that hunt. Now. They came right and
Speaker 1: they flowed it in. Did you shoot? Yeah? And and
Speaker 1: and the teal killed my limit of allars and the
Speaker 1: teal didn't you? Yeah? And the teal the teal shot
Speaker 1: was not something just to skip over, but what And
Speaker 1: so the third day we went to about meda ye,
Speaker 1: tell us about that, Shan, what is I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's been in Shawn's dreams
Speaker 1: since he was a little boy, because he was all
Speaker 1: googly eyed from the moment that we stepped foot into
Speaker 1: the parking lot. Oh yeah, he's like Max at Prairie Wings,
Speaker 1: Max at his own store. Yeah. When you when you
Speaker 1: think of Arkansas duck hunting, obviously you think about flooded
Speaker 1: green timber. And when you think about places to hunt
Speaker 1: in Arkansas, you think about me to you do? I mean, ultimately,
Speaker 1: the reason a place like Stuck Guard has its reputation
Speaker 1: is places like by Meta And uh yeah, I've wanted
Speaker 1: to hunt there a long long time. It was really
Speaker 1: really excited to make it happen, was excited to just
Speaker 1: get to be out there. But ultimately the third day
Speaker 1: was pretty rough as far as hunting. Tell us, just
Speaker 1: give us a little rundown on the first day with
Speaker 1: your boat and stuff. Okay, yeah, goodness, Well, anyone that
Speaker 1: if you follow my Instagram and ultimately once you see
Speaker 1: duck lore come out, you'll find that I've had boat
Speaker 1: problems beyond all possibility this year. I mean it's been unbelievable. November,
Speaker 1: boat motor took a pretty much catastrophic failure. It took
Speaker 1: well over a month to get fixed. And then thought
Speaker 1: it was fixed. Had it run good for about a
Speaker 1: week maybe Max, Yeah, like I mean really it would
Speaker 1: seem as though and by me to this week we
Speaker 1: had another catastrophic failure. Went to go turn out of
Speaker 1: the chain, flooded tim or in the heat of the
Speaker 1: moment of trying to get back to where we're going,
Speaker 1: trying to be ye, running running up a cut. We're
Speaker 1: we've been bumping people out. No no, no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no. I was wearing actual boots, bully A few
Speaker 1: people know that's not true, that didn't happen. But so yeah,
Speaker 1: we're running up a channel and uh, we're going to
Speaker 1: cut out of it and shuts off. Go to turn
Speaker 1: the key and uh nothing like literally no power switched batteries.
Speaker 1: Do a computer reset TONI by motor and uh, she's toast.
Speaker 1: She's toast. So luckily we had Amory's boat out there,
Speaker 1: the Sea Witch and the Flying Squirrel. The flying squirrel
Speaker 1: to see which trying to think sean salvation would be
Speaker 1: a good and I gave and recent advice on naming stuff.
Speaker 1: You never want to name anything with more than two syllables,
Speaker 1: which made it complicated. Actually, you know, one syllable is better,
Speaker 1: but for a boat you can go to But anyway,
Speaker 1: because there was a couple that were thrown in and
Speaker 1: I was doing my syllable tests and I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna stick, but you can name it that.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna stick. Gotta be two syllables, one or
Speaker 1: two syllables. Do you know what bullet stands for? Boat stands? No,
Speaker 1: bust out another thousand, that's not the only Yeah. At
Speaker 1: this point, I've got like four boats. And so the
Speaker 1: short version of this story is we we went ahead
Speaker 1: and just parked the boats and we were close enough
Speaker 1: to our hole that we walked into where we were
Speaker 1: going to hunt. And uh, and we didn't kill a
Speaker 1: duck that morning. So we had a buy me to
Speaker 1: and did not kill a duck. Saw a lot of ducks.
Speaker 1: Had had two ducks flying to the hole early and
Speaker 1: I could have taken shots on, but I fell like
Speaker 1: they're irresponsible, even though they're well within shooting range. It's
Speaker 1: just kind of low light. I had just loaded my gun.
Speaker 1: I guess I should have been more ready, but it
Speaker 1: felt like I just didn't. I felt like I was
Speaker 1: shooting into the abyss because down there in that green timber,
Speaker 1: it's dark in there. And when they hit the water,
Speaker 1: they just disappeared. They're all sudden, is not They're They're
Speaker 1: just part of the black, even though you know, even
Speaker 1: though it's leg and uh. And then when that happens
Speaker 1: right at legal shooting, like you think this is gonna
Speaker 1: happen a lot more, you know, you don't really take
Speaker 1: a chance. And then we had the whole day and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you guys something about water
Speaker 1: fowlers that you may not even know about yourself. Because
Speaker 1: this bird comes in and uh, I mean he just
Speaker 1: flies right over the top of me, but above the canopy.
Speaker 1: I shoot at the bird twice boom boom, used two
Speaker 1: of my fifteen shells that I could have a boy meeting,
Speaker 1: so had thirteen left then and missed the bird. And
Speaker 1: then I go, did that sky bust that bird shot?
Speaker 1: And he was like absolutely and he was like Clay,
Speaker 1: that was a working bird, Okay. So it was a
Speaker 1: total misjudgment. I mean, I just thought this is my chance.
Speaker 1: There's just too chance. I shot at this bird above
Speaker 1: the canopy, missed it. Austin, this is what all water
Speaker 1: fellers do. You've done it. I mean, I just I
Speaker 1: guarantee you all of you've done it, prints done it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. The one bird that you sky bust
Speaker 1: is the one that you were gonna kill, even though
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty other birds had done the exact
Speaker 1: same thing and didn't land the decos because Seawan's like
Speaker 1: that bird was working. Here's what's bad when that happens
Speaker 1: is when you've got somebody in party that does that.
Speaker 1: Then there's actually or one duck comes in by itself
Speaker 1: and somebody throws up and shoots, and there's right behind it,
Speaker 1: nine behind it, straight up. That's that is hard to
Speaker 1: understand when you're supposed to shooting. Oh yeah, it's terrible.
Speaker 1: It's very nuanced, and it's all about how you feel
Speaker 1: and what you are used to watching those birds do.
Speaker 1: And it changes day to day because some days you
Speaker 1: get that one or two here or there that do
Speaker 1: pop in and finish, and it's like that's all we're
Speaker 1: gonna get. The big flocks aren't gonna do it on
Speaker 1: certain days and so you gotta take those singles and pairs,
Speaker 1: and then there's other days where like your best strategy,
Speaker 1: if the birds are really working, really doing it, letting
Speaker 1: those singles or pairs peel out, keep moving land whatever,
Speaker 1: and let the back end keep finishing. But it all
Speaker 1: just changes on the day to day. You got a
Speaker 1: new guy with you, you better, you better, I mean, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need a short rope and stuff like that. Well
Speaker 1: like last week and we were hunt hunting the White River,
Speaker 1: had n't working in the timber for a little bit,
Speaker 1: but then eight o'clock rolls around. We're shooting them up
Speaker 1: on the dip, so not going full clay nucum and
Speaker 1: shooting them above the trees, but I mean on the ship,
Speaker 1: like they started to duck in but don't fully commit.
Speaker 1: And I had kind of a slottle morning, but killed
Speaker 1: six hours in the group and and then went to
Speaker 1: moistle unit that afternoon, and uh, shouldn't shoot him in
Speaker 1: the equal So only just a couple of miles from
Speaker 1: each other, but at different time of day. You know,
Speaker 1: calendar a year, it changes. So the second day and
Speaker 1: we can we can tell this story pretty quick. The
Speaker 1: second day we went back to buy me to I
Speaker 1: had to, Yeah, I had to. So we we walk in.
Speaker 1: It took us a while. We went to walking area,
Speaker 1: walked in, tried to find water, made a couple, made
Speaker 1: a big loop because we didn't find water, schools we
Speaker 1: thought we would. My legs are sore right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were. I was trying to convince and bring less stuff.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't listen. And then but we finally find water
Speaker 1: and we get back in there. We found a nice
Speaker 1: hole where in a whole means usually where timbers fallen over.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have known that, Like, why is there holes
Speaker 1: in timber? What's that mean? Usually where a tree has
Speaker 1: fallen over and there's an opening of the canopy with
Speaker 1: ducks and get down. They're wanting to get in these
Speaker 1: these these went through. Yeah, and basically we you know,
Speaker 1: called a few birds, nothing serious at all, and then
Speaker 1: we're done, like we're we decided we're leaving. And that's
Speaker 1: where you can tell me what happened. Well, I will
Speaker 1: say that that we walked around in that area until
Speaker 1: we found where we kind of jumped some birds and
Speaker 1: saw some birds works too, So there was birds kind
Speaker 1: of in that area and we're seeing something close ish,
Speaker 1: but nothing really like one to come decoy and and
Speaker 1: check out what's going on. Dead, calm and cloudy, which
Speaker 1: is like worst case scenario for duck hunting, especially in
Speaker 1: the timber especially and uh Morell was low. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I was kind of at that point where, like acts,
Speaker 1: I was kind of at that point where it's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, it just isn't in the cards. Let's
Speaker 1: let's go home. I'll have to come back and get
Speaker 1: that Mallard. And it must have been our splashing as
Speaker 1: we turned to walk out, and feet kicking and we're
Speaker 1: just talking. I mean we're talking like normal voices and
Speaker 1: no one behind a tree or anything pulling a jet
Speaker 1: sled guns on the shoulder and Drake Mallard got too close,
Speaker 1: so he What happened, Austin is that we just kind
Speaker 1: of see some birds at the corner of the eye
Speaker 1: and they're kind of cutting up a little bit. But
Speaker 1: there Sean says they were in the canopy. They weren't.
Speaker 1: They were they were. He was shot and missed. It
Speaker 1: would have been sky busting. I'm gonna defend myself. Okay,
Speaker 1: they were Let's say they were in the top of
Speaker 1: the canopy. I I learned my lesson, though I did.
Speaker 1: I'll let you shoot first, because I just was like,
Speaker 1: are we shooting these ducks or not? Because I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be the one that's gonna skybusting. So I had
Speaker 1: the gun up and when I heard you shot, I
Speaker 1: just unloaded. Shot three times and you you clipped one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I clipped him. Broke, broke his wing, fell forty yards away,
Speaker 1: and he's off to the races. Yeah. Yeah. When I
Speaker 1: saw it, it it hit the water and just started swimming
Speaker 1: at man, I was gonna tackle it if it took it.
Speaker 1: I took off a run and as fast as I
Speaker 1: could after that duck. It was. It was anything but
Speaker 1: what like I guess I would consider, you know, success
Speaker 1: on a normal hunt, right, Like I I go just
Speaker 1: like any duck hunter does, but I want him fluttering
Speaker 1: hanging over deepoys. But ultimately I got that that one mount.
Speaker 1: Now now it's kind of like, uh, it's gonna have
Speaker 1: to be a little bit of a personal vendetta deal
Speaker 1: to come back and learn some stuff about this place,
Speaker 1: because it's unbelievable that the scale of it, it's hard
Speaker 1: to comprehend when you look at it on a map,
Speaker 1: you can go, oh, you know, that's ten miles there
Speaker 1: or whatever the heck it is. You know, but when
Speaker 1: you get out in that timber and realize how far
Speaker 1: two d yards or three hundred yards is in that
Speaker 1: kind of environment, whereas two hundred three yards in in
Speaker 1: South Dakota on a on a lake, or you know,
Speaker 1: even a mile on a lake in South Dakota, like
Speaker 1: ducks flare from a mile, like from gunshots and whatever
Speaker 1: else out here, you can have so many groups of
Speaker 1: hunters stuffed in a mile and like you have no
Speaker 1: clue what's going on a mile away, not a darn clue.
Speaker 1: And I can see how guys spend their whole lives
Speaker 1: learning that timber, I mean really like picking it apart acres.
Speaker 1: And as a camera guy on that hunt, I see
Speaker 1: everything in a whole different perspective. You guys were seen
Speaker 1: in as duck hunting, and I was sitting back here
Speaker 1: like this feels like a big game hunt. Like everyone
Speaker 1: was talking quiet, moving slow, and it was yeah, pretty
Speaker 1: much a spot in stock and like we said, like
Speaker 1: we just need to get that one mallard. And after
Speaker 1: the previous or the day before, all the troubles and
Speaker 1: getting skunked. It was like, we all want that, Mallard.
Speaker 1: We all have one goal and it's that Mallard. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That that was the things we could have gone. We
Speaker 1: could have stayed here and probably killed a lot of ducks.
Speaker 1: We went back. I wanted to stay here just for
Speaker 1: the record. Now, hey, that's a good place to start
Speaker 1: talking about this last podcast we talked about these green
Speaker 1: tree reservoirs really dug in deep Austin. Did we cover it?
Speaker 1: If somebody listened to that podcast, would they come away
Speaker 1: with the info that you feel like they would need
Speaker 1: to understand the problem, understand what's gonna be done, understand
Speaker 1: the challenges. Yes, yes, Yeah, there's a lot to it.
Speaker 1: It's uh or what would you like to even add
Speaker 1: to it or expound on? Like if you were listening
Speaker 1: to You're like, man, I'd like to talk more about that. Well,
Speaker 1: this render is appropriate for it because I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: these guys heard the first heard the first beer grease,
Speaker 1: than heard the second render. But now here seeing by me,
Speaker 1: to smelling by me, to watching the sunlight and the
Speaker 1: sunrise come through the trees, having the boat right in
Speaker 1: y'all understand it? And it's almost Arkansas spiritual connection to
Speaker 1: those red oaks with water on them and green heads
Speaker 1: coming through them. Having you guys here to talk about
Speaker 1: it first and then to see it, I think the
Speaker 1: most powerful connection, because it's not just a resource that
Speaker 1: we're conserving. It's something that's really important to the character
Speaker 1: of our state. If the Second Beer Grease was incomplete
Speaker 1: in any way, it's hearing these guys talk about what
Speaker 1: they've seen that's kind of made it complete. It was
Speaker 1: interesting being out there to see a lot of dead timber,
Speaker 1: and you know, I have no frame of reference, so
Speaker 1: I might have just gone out there and just been like, well,
Speaker 1: this is just what it looks like. One day we
Speaker 1: were there with somebody who had been there a lot,
Speaker 1: and he was like, man, he said, look at all
Speaker 1: these leaning trees. And I just thought leaning trees were normal,
Speaker 1: but he was like, those leaning trees are an indication
Speaker 1: of a root system that is compromised, and those trees
Speaker 1: aren't supposed to be leaning like that. And you just
Speaker 1: look through this forest and there's a lot of leaning trees,
Speaker 1: a lot of dead trees, and um, so I mean,
Speaker 1: you know the thing is real, you know. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: and we use the analogy wet feet a lot talking
Speaker 1: about the trees roots. Now that has limited persuasion with
Speaker 1: two men wearing crocs right now petive wet feet, not
Speaker 1: men and crocs. But anyways, um no, um, you know
Speaker 1: y'all saw all the boating, all the boating canals, all
Speaker 1: the dishes we have in there. Well due to increased
Speaker 1: rainfall this October November was the first time in three
Speaker 1: years that has been drying for for us to get
Speaker 1: in there, just to clean out those ditches, clean out
Speaker 1: the canals three years. Um. So we've got some challenges
Speaker 1: on our hands, and it's an important part of the
Speaker 1: state that's at risk. Uh. But we're gonna do what
Speaker 1: we can when we can. Yeah, A Marie, what do
Speaker 1: you think any anything, What what stood out to you
Speaker 1: and what we discussed or or or anything you'd like
Speaker 1: to add to it. I mean I think that, uh,
Speaker 1: our director Austin Booth put it put it all very
Speaker 1: well that, Um, it's an important part of our character
Speaker 1: here in Arkansas, having these green tree reservoirs. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't get anything like it. It's funny because Sean
Speaker 1: and I were talking earlier, it's crazy that eight hours
Speaker 1: north of here, ducks land in dry fields and then
Speaker 1: you get down here and they're landing in water in yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're flying through they're flying through trees and landing
Speaker 1: in water. It's just unbelievable. So it's a big part
Speaker 1: of yes, our our state, our heritage, UM, the whole
Speaker 1: flyway in general, something that we can't stand to lose,
Speaker 1: and we have to do whatever we whatever it takes,
Speaker 1: and whatever is within our control. Two. I thought that
Speaker 1: was a good point that Austin made on the on
Speaker 1: the on the podcast, was that there's lots of reasons why.
Speaker 1: I mean, a system this complex, it's not just one.
Speaker 1: It's usually not just one issue. It's usually multiple things.
Speaker 1: And there's only so many things that you can cleanly
Speaker 1: touch and manipulate. There's some things that are just there.
Speaker 1: There's you know, there's issues with UM just other stuff
Speaker 1: that's hard to manage. So that point being, this is
Speaker 1: what we can do, this is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: There's other more longer term issues that we're gonna go with.
Speaker 1: You know. You know what Luke Naylor said that in
Speaker 1: your last podcast, he said wildlife management is a mixture
Speaker 1: of science and art all goes hand in hand. And
Speaker 1: if I if I could just add one thing to
Speaker 1: what I thought was, Um, I don't know. Poignant about
Speaker 1: the last podcast was that you have you know Bobby
Speaker 1: our chairman, who's talking about a generation prior to him,
Speaker 1: right the Rex Hancock here, so he's talking about the
Speaker 1: generation before him and Marie and I, you know, we're
Speaker 1: looking to Bobby his a generation before us, and we're
Speaker 1: making decisions about the generation after us right now, Uh,
Speaker 1: probably the generation after. Yeah. So it's just one snapshot
Speaker 1: of what you know duck hunting in Arkansas is it
Speaker 1: spans four generations just in the context of one decision,
Speaker 1: and that's what it means the state and that's why
Speaker 1: it's a good story to tell. But also wanted to
Speaker 1: be at it too for the long term because that's
Speaker 1: what it takes. Bobby talked about Rex Hancock in what
Speaker 1: he did up at the Cache River, and you know,
Speaker 1: I obviously heard the name Rex Hancock before, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know the whole story, and so that was really
Speaker 1: educational for me to hear, and honestly, uh really rings
Speaker 1: a bell with what we're going through right now and
Speaker 1: the decisions that we're having to make you know, Luke
Speaker 1: brought up that he introduced the phrase to me that
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have known humans dimension research, which I had
Speaker 1: to look that up. He said it in the podcast
Speaker 1: and I just shook my head like I knew what
Speaker 1: he was talking about. I went back home and look
Speaker 1: up what that meant. And humans dimension research is where
Speaker 1: is a field of study, academic study where we people
Speaker 1: try to understand how humans value natural resources. And so
Speaker 1: like talking about Rex Hancock and the multiple interests that
Speaker 1: went into the Cache River, I mean there was that
Speaker 1: was a big that was a big amount of energy
Speaker 1: being put into channelizing the cash. Mean that was the
Speaker 1: economy of Arkansas would have been at stakes. So there
Speaker 1: would have been farmers that would have been like, hey,
Speaker 1: we want barges running up and down the cash to
Speaker 1: take our crops to to market. There there would have
Speaker 1: been all this stuff. But somebody had to stand up
Speaker 1: for for wildlife, for wild places, for a way of life,
Speaker 1: and had to really like put some teeth into it,
Speaker 1: you know. And it was interesting that humans dimension research
Speaker 1: just that everybody values the land differently. When we toured
Speaker 1: a farm this week where the sky had basically just
Speaker 1: it was like I described it, it it was like Jurassic Park,
Speaker 1: but for ducks, just in terms of like all the
Speaker 1: things that they were doing, and we were driving through
Speaker 1: seeing ducks and there was it was just an incredible place.
Speaker 1: And I had the thought while we were there, like
Speaker 1: he's trying to turn this place back into a wetland
Speaker 1: essentially for ducks. Most most of the world is going
Speaker 1: the other direction like a wet and is not valuable
Speaker 1: to you unless you value waterfowl. So just the whole
Speaker 1: idea of that, when people look at a piece of land,
Speaker 1: nobody's thinking the same thing, why that land has value
Speaker 1: and how it should be used. And that's why we
Speaker 1: have to have these strong, strong opinions, strong science, strong conviction, perseverance, dedication.
Speaker 1: There's just a lot that goes into saving wildlife in
Speaker 1: It's true, yeah, it is, you know, on that note,
Speaker 1: talking about Rex Hancocks specifically, it was interesting bit for
Speaker 1: me in the podcast where it's mentioned how he's like
Speaker 1: this ordinary guy that you know, fights for this like
Speaker 1: fundamental ecological component in the area when you look at
Speaker 1: when you look at waterfowl over the last hundred years,
Speaker 1: you see this a lot where relatively speaking, nobody's so
Speaker 1: to speak, just average guys come along and impact great,
Speaker 1: great things to the resource. You know, Ding Darling wasn't
Speaker 1: a nobody, but now he's like considered the you know,
Speaker 1: father of the National Wildlife Refuge System. And ultimately he
Speaker 1: was a cartoonist that was like making fun of politics
Speaker 1: and ends up creating you know, okay, huge portion of
Speaker 1: the cash. It's National Wildlife Refuge. You know, Ding Darling's father,
Speaker 1: the National Wildlife Refuge System. And you have these guys
Speaker 1: that just come along like see this kind of like
Speaker 1: this is the hill I'll die on moment of their
Speaker 1: life of like they know it takes only one man,
Speaker 1: but it's it's one person sees there's fundamentally something wrong
Speaker 1: and they have to stand, you know, for what they believe.
Speaker 1: And and we owe those those singular people, we owe
Speaker 1: them a lot. Mr Bobby said he couldn't imagine this
Speaker 1: part of Arkansas if the whole ash River had been channelized,
Speaker 1: like how much it would have changed the flyaway, how
Speaker 1: much it would have changed the system. And just so yeah,
Speaker 1: those things are I've personally seen part of the stretch
Speaker 1: that was before it kind of got stopped. There's you know,
Speaker 1: small stretch of the cash it was, and it's uh,
Speaker 1: it like instantly makes you disheartened when you look at it,
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, this is what it would all been.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a line. You know. You know, so
Speaker 1: much of the last hundred and fifty years in this
Speaker 1: country we were trying to we're trying to get out
Speaker 1: of this place being a wilderness, you know, a place
Speaker 1: that was uninhabitable. I mean, like we talked about in
Speaker 1: the first one about how much of Arkansas literally would
Speaker 1: have been uninhabitable, I mean because of flooding. And then
Speaker 1: you know, so man has always been in this in
Speaker 1: this you know, struggle to make nature more consistent and
Speaker 1: more manageable. And uh, but some of this waterfowl stuff,
Speaker 1: we're one we need to go back the other direction.
Speaker 1: So anytime you're going against the current of kind of
Speaker 1: the modern trends, you know, it's it can be an
Speaker 1: uphill battle. John, what stood out anything stand out to
Speaker 1: you in the podcast? There's so many things. Um, all
Speaker 1: the water Fowler's have been like, Clay, this is the
Speaker 1: best Burgeries podcast you've ever done, And of course it
Speaker 1: goes love water Fowler. It was a great podcast. Very informational, entertaining, educational,
Speaker 1: the whole the whole band, maybe a little bit by us.
Speaker 1: I know a few people on there. Just a minute
Speaker 1: ago Anne Marie had mentioned the eight hours north of
Speaker 1: here ducks feeding in dry fields. Then here they're being
Speaker 1: in the timber. It really shows how well one how
Speaker 1: these birds adapt as they travel down the flyway and
Speaker 1: back up the flyway. But to also like how important
Speaker 1: it is to understand the whole system from start to finish. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, as I was producing this podcast the and
Speaker 1: just gathering information, the evidence is so clear of what
Speaker 1: needs to be done, it was almost like, well, this
Speaker 1: is a no brainer. There's no story here because this
Speaker 1: is what needs to be done. What is what's the challenge?
Speaker 1: Austin like why why? Yeah, what could what could make
Speaker 1: it fail? Well, I'm very sympathetic to that position because
Speaker 1: everybody in Arkansas, in this part of the state any ways,
Speaker 1: they live three hundred and five days a year waiting
Speaker 1: for the other sixty. That's not just duck hunters. That's
Speaker 1: that's gas stations, that's grocery stores, that's beds and breakfasts,
Speaker 1: that's restaurants, and so to look at a resource and
Speaker 1: think it's it's dying. There's a whole lot of reasons
Speaker 1: that you that you don't want to believe that. We're
Speaker 1: also not looking at kind of like what we talked
Speaker 1: about earlier. We don't we don't have the luxury of
Speaker 1: like single cause problems. It's really easy to sit here
Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty two and be like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is a no brainer. But you go back five years ago,
Speaker 1: you go back teen years ago, fifteen twenty, twenty years ago,
Speaker 1: We've learned a great deal about red oak dormancy, learned
Speaker 1: a great deal about what standing water versus sheet flow
Speaker 1: does the trees. We've had a immense increase in the
Speaker 1: rainfall that we get. So we're at a luxury right
Speaker 1: here and right now of information that I'm that I'm
Speaker 1: not willing to look back on the years prior and
Speaker 1: fault guys for for not having and for fault then
Speaker 1: for not believing like, oh, this is gonna get better,
Speaker 1: This is gonna get better. You know, the drainage will
Speaker 1: be better, we won't get as much rain next year.
Speaker 1: But looking forward to what could make this all not
Speaker 1: work out, It's gonna come down to whether it's dry enough.
Speaker 1: When we need it to be dry to put the
Speaker 1: work in, and whether we have public support for the
Speaker 1: forest management and for the infrastructure that we need to
Speaker 1: put in. So how would public support, how would that like,
Speaker 1: what would some what would a group of people do
Speaker 1: that would cause that not to work. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to understand that. Well, yeah, that's just raise caine that
Speaker 1: it just causes problems for us to do it. You know,
Speaker 1: for so many years people were used to, Okay, Balmada
Speaker 1: or hurricane, you know, opening weekend a duck season, there's
Speaker 1: going to be water in there, sticking with tradition. And
Speaker 1: now we can't guarantee that because we never know what
Speaker 1: the weather is gonna gonna hold for us, and that's
Speaker 1: something that's really difficult to grasp. That's the last thing.
Speaker 1: I know. It was said last time that none of us,
Speaker 1: you know, want that to happen. This is you know,
Speaker 1: we wish that we were not in this situation, but
Speaker 1: we are, and we have to adapt and change and
Speaker 1: do do what is necessary to save the resource. I
Speaker 1: think that Mother Nature's answer in systems is an answer
Speaker 1: to variability, and that really the only constant in life
Speaker 1: is change. The things change and you just can't deny
Speaker 1: that this has changed. You can't deny that the prairie
Speaker 1: pothole region has changed. You can't deny that there's all
Speaker 1: these man made factors, whether it's power plants or the
Speaker 1: spread of corn farther west and farther north, and changes
Speaker 1: of water quality, and go down the line of all
Speaker 1: the things that affect a duck, and all those things
Speaker 1: are happening in synchronization. While also then, like you throw
Speaker 1: the cherry on top, that you have a dying force,
Speaker 1: like to be frank, like there's a lot already going
Speaker 1: against Arkansas with those other things I mentioned. When when
Speaker 1: you start looking at Lake Socakawea in North Dakota last
Speaker 1: year on the Missouri River, a hundred some mile long
Speaker 1: reservoir didn't freeze till almost February, held a lot of
Speaker 1: ducks longer. Complex but complex. It's a very complex issue.
Speaker 1: But to come back to your point, like there's things
Speaker 1: you can an altar and you can change. Can I
Speaker 1: say something? I said something in a long time, So
Speaker 1: raise your hand proper, Max, And I endorsed this message
Speaker 1: before I listened to this podcast. I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I didn't know there's a problem down here, and maybe
Speaker 1: that's me being out of state and not knowing about
Speaker 1: other state issues. Maybe that's just me having a closed
Speaker 1: mind and just worried about my own state, or just
Speaker 1: simply not listening to what people had to say. But
Speaker 1: I listened to the podcast and I was like, there's
Speaker 1: no way that's happened. No way, because like I I
Speaker 1: was at Clay Full Drama. I I just always thought
Speaker 1: this great, awesome area was always gonna stay great, and
Speaker 1: spending two days in the area, it was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can definitely see the problem. I can definitely see
Speaker 1: the issues, and I think people need to open their
Speaker 1: ears and just work. Like Sean said, worry about the
Speaker 1: whole dang flyway from the breeding grounds all the way
Speaker 1: to the winter wintering grounds. So I'd had two things
Speaker 1: to that Max, y'all went to buy Meta and from
Speaker 1: a forest management perspective, in a public opportunity perspective, the
Speaker 1: goal with Biomeda is to keep it from becoming like
Speaker 1: other wildlife management areas that we have. So if y'all
Speaker 1: were in the woods and y'all had somebody pointing out,
Speaker 1: you know, dead or irreversibly dying red oaks with extreme
Speaker 1: basil swelling at Bio Meta. We can take it to
Speaker 1: some other places that are making six sick, just sick
Speaker 1: to your stuffing. I'm sure we're dying from the inside out.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's unbelievable. But if that's the rain cloud,
Speaker 1: that silver lining is like. You know, we announced some
Speaker 1: of our water level management changes on September three of
Speaker 1: of feedback has been fantastic. I never ever would have
Speaker 1: thought that we have the support that we've gotten since
Speaker 1: then because people are invested in the resource. We have
Speaker 1: a very unified commission. The hunters are starting to see
Speaker 1: the change in the resource. You know, we have lots
Speaker 1: of public meetings this summer trying to get people out
Speaker 1: in the woods when there's leaves on the trees to
Speaker 1: see what the trees look like in the summer when
Speaker 1: they're dead, uh or irreversibly dying. We're in a really
Speaker 1: good place right now as a state to recognize the
Speaker 1: problem that we've been talking about for a long time,
Speaker 1: but now one that we're ready to move out one.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I think this whole issue is
Speaker 1: just making basically making hard decisions for conservation in wildlife
Speaker 1: and habitat is something that is going to happen in
Speaker 1: more places than just waterfowl. I mean, it's just undeniable
Speaker 1: that something is happening with historic patterns of climate like
Speaker 1: weather has been wild, waterfall has been every like, this
Speaker 1: place is changing and and you know, whether it's just
Speaker 1: a little blip, I don't know, but in our in
Speaker 1: my lifetime, this place is changing. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: this place hasn't. I'm talking about Planet Earth. Yeah, it's changing.
Speaker 1: So I think what you guys are facing, what State
Speaker 1: of Arkansas is facing, about making significant changes in the
Speaker 1: way we manage habitat that's gonna affect people is something
Speaker 1: that's gonna have to happen in the future. So I'd
Speaker 1: like to think that these decisions will be made maybe
Speaker 1: easier over time, as precedence is set for Hey, we
Speaker 1: just gotta suck it up, I mean, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: we we have lived in the glory days of some
Speaker 1: species of wildlife in North America, and we're in the
Speaker 1: glory days of some of them right now. But there's
Speaker 1: gonna become there's you just can't get too used to something,
Speaker 1: you know, the earth, everything goes in cycles. It is.
Speaker 1: And I think some of the few that would be detractors,
Speaker 1: like talked about in the podcast, are aware of my
Speaker 1: cowboy boots file me to are are people that that
Speaker 1: saw the real, true bona fide glory days of Arkansas.
Speaker 1: You know, Arkansas's highest record dot harvest was two thousand
Speaker 1: one or to where it was like it was one
Speaker 1: million mallards right now, one million ducks harvested, one million
Speaker 1: mallards plus you know, another million ducks on top of that.
Speaker 1: That's in There's no state that ever ever has and
Speaker 1: ever you know, for a long time probably ever come
Speaker 1: anywhere near that. Again, things are just changing, and that's
Speaker 1: that's everywhere, right, Like we've got this hunter problem overall,
Speaker 1: like less waterfowl hunters as well, less people contributing to
Speaker 1: the resource. And and and I think we just need that.
Speaker 1: I guess that moment of uh, it's there, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is there, it's there. Tell me what you mean by
Speaker 1: that awesome? Well, you know Amory will know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and so well Brent. But you know, I'm thirty five.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Hell, Amory is that she's under alright? Alright,
Speaker 1: there we go. Uh And we're like at this like
Speaker 1: generational point in water fowling, where as our Kansans were
Speaker 1: like still young in the population group, but we're old
Speaker 1: enough to remember duck hunting what it was like even
Speaker 1: in the nineties, but we're young enough to like really
Speaker 1: see what it is now. And then behind us is
Speaker 1: this group of publicly and water fowlers, and they think
Speaker 1: that they're going out and having a great hunt because
Speaker 1: they're killing a wood duck limit. And there's nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with killing a wood duck limit. But if if we're
Speaker 1: like trying to benchmark the long term hunting quality of
Speaker 1: what an Arkansas g t R is, I'm glad you
Speaker 1: killed the limit of wood ducks, but that ain't anybody.
Speaker 1: And there's there's a whole lot more there's that's right,
Speaker 1: and and and like as that generation of Arkansas water
Speaker 1: fowlers grows, they're like starting to see, like, hey, what
Speaker 1: I've heard about about buying me the Hurricane Black River,
Speaker 1: you know, Black Swamp, uh, you know all these like
Speaker 1: icon and duck hunting places. Like there's something that's not here,
Speaker 1: and I want to fix it because I don't have
Speaker 1: it now. But I understand that I'm young enough for
Speaker 1: if we make a commitment now as our Kansas that
Speaker 1: maybe I'll be able to enjoy it when I'm fifty
Speaker 1: or sixty. And young people impact change. Yeah, like young
Speaker 1: people change. And because they got that that Instagram and
Speaker 1: that snapchat got that fire and you know, we did
Speaker 1: four we did four public meetings about our water level
Speaker 1: changes this year that we say the average age um
Speaker 1: of our publicly and water flowers are between two And
Speaker 1: that's pretty wild. That's pretty young. That's kind of new
Speaker 1: generation Skybusters. You're an old man skybuster, Clay. Uh, they're
Speaker 1: learning from the best. Wait did I see the video?
Speaker 1: But the but the crowd that we had at these
Speaker 1: public meetings consistent with that, that's great, it's really encouraged.
Speaker 1: That's super cool. Yeah. I won't name any names, but
Speaker 1: we were in stutt Guard. We had the public meeting
Speaker 1: at the RNT tap room, which all went to. That's
Speaker 1: where we had it at and there were there were
Speaker 1: some fine, red blooded American males that were ready to
Speaker 1: go out to buy me to that night and start
Speaker 1: and start digging up levies getting that water out of there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think uh, I was just just talking
Speaker 1: about Hunter recruitment. I think the biggest detriment waterfowl hunter
Speaker 1: recruitment is leaky waiters. You know you need to buy
Speaker 1: your own waiters. You had your opportunity at Max the
Speaker 1: other day, and then you thought about it. There's I
Speaker 1: have to Uh, we've been talking about. Austin mentioned these
Speaker 1: public meetings that we had. Those were incredible. They really
Speaker 1: were very um information. You were able to go some
Speaker 1: of them. I did. I was out of town for
Speaker 1: one of them, but I did go to the other
Speaker 1: three and UH, all very successful in people that really
Speaker 1: wanted to get out and figure out. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: something that I'm passionate about. What can I do to help?
Speaker 1: How do I understand this? How do I take this
Speaker 1: back and tell my friends? In fact, that's how Austin
Speaker 1: ended each of those meetings was the best thing you
Speaker 1: can do tonight is go out with the information that
Speaker 1: you learned here tonight and go tell somebody about it.
Speaker 1: And I think I really do because of Austin and
Speaker 1: our staff at the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission. That
Speaker 1: is why so far this has been successful, and I
Speaker 1: think that's why it will be successful for the future,
Speaker 1: is because of the educational aspects that were put in
Speaker 1: place leading up to it. I hope it is successful
Speaker 1: because I want to come back it will be I do.
Speaker 1: I have faith And while we're while we're on this
Speaker 1: is something that hasn't been touched, but we've talked about
Speaker 1: this kind off to the side. You know, we talked
Speaker 1: a lot about public land, but also this timber die
Speaker 1: off that we're seeing. We're actually dealing with that on
Speaker 1: our property as well, and we've had to take a
Speaker 1: step back. And actually, what I've learned in this process
Speaker 1: of game and fish is really what inspired us to
Speaker 1: go and look at our own woods and say, h
Speaker 1: we got some leaning tree is in there. You know,
Speaker 1: We've you know, we've got some floating acorns that we've
Speaker 1: seen during duck season from these white oaks, and what
Speaker 1: what can we what can we do to make our
Speaker 1: woods better? And so we've had to go in and
Speaker 1: do that. We actually left a big majority of our
Speaker 1: timber dry this year. And uh, it's something that you
Speaker 1: said something this week that I wouldn't have known the statistic,
Speaker 1: but the Arkansas's private land. That's right, Arkansas is privately owned.
Speaker 1: So but all all that to be said, yes, we're
Speaker 1: doing this on our property. But um, it benefits The
Speaker 1: more people that do realize this and that get involved
Speaker 1: in their in their own backyards and their own property,
Speaker 1: the more it benefits the whole state. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of private duck clubs,
Speaker 1: private landowners, farmers that are getting this message to and
Speaker 1: doing stuff just like you guys here on your farm.
Speaker 1: So that's right, good, it's good. You know what else
Speaker 1: eats red oak acorns? Squirrels need them. So we're not
Speaker 1: just saving ducks, squirrels Austin squirrels great, make them great again. Hey, closers,
Speaker 1: any anything you guys want to say, because this is
Speaker 1: this is the last. I'm always a little bit sad
Speaker 1: when we closed down a series. You know, when we
Speaker 1: got done talking about Daniel Boone. We talked about Daniel
Speaker 1: Boone for like six weeks. We did find the Daniel
Speaker 1: Boone decoy, and we did on the on the decoy,
Speaker 1: I didn't know they had Sharpie's back then though it
Speaker 1: did say dB or molded flambeau plastic. Yeah, it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: My closing comment would be, thank you for doing this
Speaker 1: clay that I I do. I want to say that publicly,
Speaker 1: thank you for just taking an interest in this and
Speaker 1: not even being a waterfowl hunter, but wanting to learn
Speaker 1: more and wanting to learn more about what we do
Speaker 1: with the Arkansas Game and Fish coming into this and
Speaker 1: spreading the good news. So I wanted it hasn't It's
Speaker 1: something I needed needed to know, you know, and I
Speaker 1: know you're a big duck hunter. Now you got your
Speaker 1: own duck call. Yeah, para leaky waiters. But hopefully you'll
Speaker 1: get some new ones someday. This has been This has
Speaker 1: been an incredible week. It's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: It has It's been a lot of fun. Yes, Austin
Speaker 1: your turn. Sorry, I'm Austin's brains about I'm having a
Speaker 1: moment over here. First of all, for for my first closer,
Speaker 1: I've been the director since July. Amory's been here he
Speaker 1: said three years, right, yeah, alright. I'm a junior now,
Speaker 1: and this podcast is familiar with Luke. Luke's been working
Speaker 1: for this agency for fifteen years. There's a whole other
Speaker 1: cadre of guys behind Luke and me, guys and gals
Speaker 1: that have been beating this drum and putting in the
Speaker 1: hard work for years and years and years to get
Speaker 1: to the public to this point, to get this agency
Speaker 1: to the point. I want to close it out by thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, Chris Racy, Brad Corner, Rob Willie Buck Jackson,
Speaker 1: Garrick Dugger, Terrence Teal, Mark Cook, Terence Teals, the Waterfall guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's just this maiden name as goad Wall. There's
Speaker 1: a there's a there's just a ton of people that
Speaker 1: have been beating this drum for a long time. They've
Speaker 1: known that it's been the right thing to do, and
Speaker 1: it's easy for us to swoop into a podcast like
Speaker 1: this and talk about it in depth for a few hours,
Speaker 1: but they've been making it their life's work for years.
Speaker 1: So just remarkably grateful for them. The other thing is,
Speaker 1: did you say that do you have a duck call?
Speaker 1: Hand hand tuned by Jim. He didn't even have to
Speaker 1: tune it because it was already perfect. So, because I've
Speaker 1: listened to every single Burgaries podcast except for the Misty
Speaker 1: with a Mustache render all right, I remember that when
Speaker 1: people would come on your podcast in the early days,
Speaker 1: he used to make them give a mouth call or
Speaker 1: in nowhood, right, I mean it happened. I think it's
Speaker 1: only fitting that you give us your best duck call.
Speaker 1: I will go and get it right now and bring
Speaker 1: it over here. Do it? Do you know where it's Well,
Speaker 1: we'll just pause for a minute, Okay, okay, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: stages of yours. I believe in you. Okay. So, uh,
Speaker 1: we've gone and gotten. So we've gone and gotten the
Speaker 1: duck call that I got from Uh, I got it
Speaker 1: from Max. But Jim ron Quest tuned this himself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I've got I've got pictures of it. It
Speaker 1: has Jim Spit in it. I mean it actually probably does.
Speaker 1: So the other day I made a semi bet with
Speaker 1: Sean that I said, I bet I can blow a
Speaker 1: duck call that is better than what you think I
Speaker 1: would like. I didn't say I was gonna be good.
Speaker 1: I just said it's gonna be whatever your expectations are,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna exceed. That's exactly right. And so in Biometa.
Speaker 1: In in Biometa, I pulled this out and blew it
Speaker 1: for the first time ever. And it's not the first
Speaker 1: time I've blown a duck call. I had blown them before,
Speaker 1: but probably like eight or nine years ago, and never
Speaker 1: had any instruction, just kind of you know, I don't
Speaker 1: even know why I had a duck call, but I
Speaker 1: had one, and I blew it a little bit, and
Speaker 1: I understand the sequence. I mean, here's a cadence. Ye, okay,
Speaker 1: here it is. I'm gonna start off with a quack. Okay,
Speaker 1: can you do a duck? Can you do a g
Speaker 1: The quack was good. Here was my three criteria. He
Speaker 1: had to have a good quack. He had to have
Speaker 1: good fundamentals of how to hold and play and the stuff.
Speaker 1: But sometimes don't take some new guy to come in
Speaker 1: and teach the old guy's house. How he's still against
Speaker 1: my watch the video of you yesterday on Instagram and
Speaker 1: you were moving your hand. What are you doing? But
Speaker 1: you're curving your hand around then no, with your other hand.
Speaker 1: You've been like, it's a goose call. You don't do that. Okay,
Speaker 1: But I had a decent question. What do you think
Speaker 1: you exceeded my expectation. I believed in you the whole time.
Speaker 1: The whole time. You're like, who's going to know this?
Speaker 1: But I mean, can you do a gad wall call? Man?
Speaker 1: How do you do it in traffic? No? Just blow? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a gazoo walls they got no heart. Again, gad
Speaker 1: wall doesn't have a soul. I mean, this is the
Speaker 1: passion of that what god wall? Every du to you? Again,
Speaker 1: that's no, it's I try to put an ounce of
Speaker 1: heart on it and they're like, nope, that's not again.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Can we hear grandfather
Speaker 1: Croc call hey, grandfather Crock here? Yeah? Yeah. Eight years ago,
Speaker 1: eight years ago, when we were sitting on a bear
Speaker 1: bait in Oklahoma, in this hundred and fifty pound bear
Speaker 1: walks out with a radio collar on. I said, shoot
Speaker 1: that when it's bended, and he said that bear, that's
Speaker 1: a baby. I'm like, no, it's got a it's bender.
Speaker 1: He's got a collar on it. I had. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: this length way we do it. I was like, this
Speaker 1: is a duck hunter coming into bear. Yeah. This bear
Speaker 1: had a radio collar on his neck. And he was like, man,
Speaker 1: that's the one you want to shoot. You wear that collar.
Speaker 1: He didn't hit with raw. Okay, is that good? Keep
Speaker 1: it going a little little type blue, little hard give
Speaker 1: us a feat and chatter. Oh that's good. It's pretty good,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah? That's pure right, there. Yeah, he's expectations solid.
Speaker 1: He met my expectations, which is outstanding. Yeah, well, thank
Speaker 1: you all for being on the render Austin. Thanks thanks
Speaker 1: Ton you guys welcome back. If you're in northwest Arkansas,
Speaker 1: we're Donner Render. Just drop in, John Max, awesome have
Speaker 1: you guys. You guys are welcome any times. I guess
Speaker 1: I gotta talk with the main render crew to make
Speaker 1: sure that y'all met the standard. You know this, there'll
Speaker 1: be a lot of talk. They'll be like, well they did, okay.
Speaker 1: They kind of get like that, Yeah, because Josh out
Speaker 1: there just wishing he was spending and centing. Well, all right, guys,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming. Thank you. Times are coming great.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put my cowboy books back on. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: might get in the fight before this is over. Who's
Speaker 1: who's the guy that who's the guy that does the
Speaker 1: sound at Media? Phil? Phil? I didn't you them this time? Actually, Hayden,
Speaker 1: Samak Hayden Sorry man, Hey, Sama texted me the other
Speaker 1: day and he's like, what's Brent eating candy on the
Speaker 1: rest room