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Speaker 1: Yeah. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production

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Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. Um, hey,

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Speaker 1: before we get started here, if you don't mind, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna change my boot in your I feel like I

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Speaker 1: should go change. I feel under dressed. So I'm Brent.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you describe what I'm putting on here? I'm speachless.

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Speaker 1: Clay has pulled out a pair of gray crocs official

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Speaker 1: Crocs because I can see the alligator on the side,

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Speaker 1: and he has them in work mode. They are four

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Speaker 1: wheel drive and they match his puffy jacket. They do

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Speaker 1: match my gray puffy jacket and quite the ensemble. Now,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, are we do I need to hook

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Speaker 1: money in? Are we going to fight for this? I

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Speaker 1: would hook him in four wheel drive? Here we go.

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Speaker 1: I just after last render, when you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: me for Christmas, so they are they're highly convenient, the

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Speaker 1: gift that keeps on giving a waterproof jelly. The man

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Speaker 1: they are, especially when you're duck hunting, because I was

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Speaker 1: this week. If you listen to the podcast, you heard

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Speaker 1: me say that I have a goal to see how

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Speaker 1: long I can be a water fowler, which I'm a

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Speaker 1: some borrowing waiters. But it's come back to bite me

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Speaker 1: when Sean Weaver is the guy you're barring him from

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Speaker 1: because he duck hunts, you know, hundred days a year

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Speaker 1: or whatever. And uh, the waiters that he let me

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Speaker 1: crux with you so you can stay in the waiters

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Speaker 1: the least amount of time possible. Let's let's talk about

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Speaker 1: another thing, and that is that you were complaining about

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Speaker 1: I look huge in these. It's a true story, he did.

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Speaker 1: They were giant. Looked big on camera. Yeah, they're giant.

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Speaker 1: They were, Brent. I mean they were like eighteen inches

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Speaker 1: wide at the knees. Well, I heard slim fit waiter. Okay,

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Speaker 1: makes you look like ten pounds tremor. I'm really just

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Speaker 1: looking forward to see a first light offers like a

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Speaker 1: modern cut. I'll tell you what, Clay, I started off

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Speaker 1: We're whittled down to two. Wow, it's pretty rough. He

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Speaker 1: fly fishing waiters as what he's using. Yeah, I feel

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Speaker 1: sorry for him because I think those are leaking. Now. Well,

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Speaker 1: those big waiters you gave me, they looked pretty good.

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Speaker 1: But listen to this hot tip, Austin. I'm gonna introduce

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Speaker 1: everybody here in just a minute. Hot tip. These waiters

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Speaker 1: the day before and it's cold, and I mean it

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Speaker 1: that before. I carry a roll of trash bag really yeah, Lea.

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Speaker 1: regulars here, the curmudgeons. Yeah, so Brent, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go left to right to our left Max

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Speaker 1: barta of meat eater. Max is Uh. Probably should introduce

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Speaker 1: Keep moving? Um? Max is Uh photographer, producer, waterfowl hunter,

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Speaker 1: can make friends with the two before. And it's true,

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Speaker 1: It's true. Thank you for having me Burger's Render. Max Barta.

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Speaker 1: Max Barta sounds like a future president. It's a good name.

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Speaker 1: That's funny you bring that about that yet, But maybe

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Speaker 1: it's funny you bring that up because every time, every

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Speaker 1: because I'm just talking to people, getting you know, him nice,

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Speaker 1: for the record here, I'm Max Parta and I endorse

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Speaker 1: Parta and I endorse this message. Representative Left Sean Wever

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Speaker 1: of Meter Sean you you're you're an old pro on

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Speaker 1: that was a night, but it was worth it. It

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Speaker 1: meat either you you've worked for Meat Eater for less

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Speaker 1: than less than a year. Yeah, but we are currently

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Speaker 1: putting the final touches on the new show duck Lore. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she'll be part of the Meat Eater network. You can

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Speaker 1: we tell people how many shows there are? Is that

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Speaker 1: a secret? The first season will be six episodes, and

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Speaker 1: which will be six episodes, so they're twelve episodes. Twelve episodes,

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Speaker 1: we get to our next guest. No, it's great to

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Speaker 1: small the waterfowl community can get and how you can

424
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: be just one person to removed from pretty much everybody.

425
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: Because we ran into several friends and and like, you know,

426
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: someone that Max has known since he was a little

427
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: kid um in R and T shop and I ran

428
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: into a friend in Max and it just it gets

429
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: small quick. But now our our hunts, you know, we

430
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: started off here on Anne Marie's, which is was great,

431
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: and kicked it off with a cypress hunt, which alone

432
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: was like worth the big big reservoir basically a man

433
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: made like that had big big cypress trees scattered all

434
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: throughout it. Yep. And it was a god wall hole, yes,

435
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: it was. You know what we gad wald Clay. So

436
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: what we did, he had to we had to diversify

437
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 1: his his duck harvest. He joke was that I had

438
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: only killed Mallard's, which is a true store. I had

439
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 1: only killed Millard's my whole waterfowl career, how days you know,

440
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: and club at West Fork, Arkansas. Yeah, and so we killed, uh,

441
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: we killed several goad walls, which broke my streak of Mallards.

442
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: And so you know, the joke became that they gadballed me,

443
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: because we know the Mallard is the king that's been established.

444
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: But it was a great, it was. It was super fun.

445
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: It actually was one of my well it's better than

446
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: the rice hunt, but it was fun. I'd like to

447
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: go back there. It was fun. What I liked about

448
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: that hunt. It was basically Clay and I in one

449
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: cluster of trees, the other Amory and Sean and the

450
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: other camera guy in another cluster of trees, and it

451
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: was kind of like Clay and I versus them, and

452
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: we would shoot the ducks on left side. They would

453
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: shoot the ducks on the right side. But it was

454
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: just so much fun just to gab back and forth

455
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: and just overall great time, which is pretty good. They

456
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: learned a few things. Max, give me give me a

457
00:26:51,640 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: quick estimate on his shale to duck ratio. I will

458
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: say Clay likes to shoot. It doesn't matter if they're

459
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: at fifteen yards or fifty yards. I have to plays

460
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: on her for a minute here though, Are you wearing

461
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: you got a double? I was getting to that point.

462
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: Pair come in on the left side and dumped them both. Yeah,

463
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: guess what we said, Sean. Clay turned over and he's like,

464
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: did you guys shoot? I was like, why did those

465
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: ducks fall so quick? Sean? Are you calling a double?

466
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: Two ducks with two shots or two ducks with yaho

467
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: for two Yeah, it does take a little bit of time.

468
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: To understand when you're sky busting and when you're not.

469
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: And that is still a little unclear to me. The

470
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: very first shot of the day I think was Clay

471
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: trying to skybust a duck. Is that right I'm trying

472
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,479
Speaker 1: to do I will I will say, yeah, that is correct.

473
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: I will say I appreciate that. When Clay doesn't hit

474
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: a duck, he turns to me and says, that was

475
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: that sky bus? Was that too far? Was that too far?

476
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: I not have done that, ye, which I respect that

477
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: because I was trying to learn. Sure. Yeah, it's not

478
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: like he's just willing Nelly burning boxes of shells. I

479
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 1: just don't like to let opportunities slip through your fingers. Man.

480
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: We really really threw Clay off though, Sean. When we

481
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: started our gad Wall duck calls, he was like, why

482
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: are you guys just going meet me? Oh? He got

483
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: on me. He goes, that's not how my boys, So

484
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: that's not how me and Jim called. Yeah, I'm not

485
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: a fan of the goad Wall. They just got no

486
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: hard in their call. You know, the mall. It's like

487
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: they're stuck in traffic and in the in the in

488
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: the gadwalls. Like, that's about what they sound like. I

489
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, Sean, you're never gonna call

490
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: it god while with that trust me, I mean, you've

491
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: never done Okay, So we have the gadwall. Shoot, maybe

492
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: all let Amory tell about the next the next time

493
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: at what y'all call them the Mayor's Field? Yeah, the

494
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: Mayor's Field, Yeah, because it is h it's a field

495
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: located across the street from the self proclaim mayor of

496
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: this area's house. So yeah, pretty straightforward. Yeah, yeah, we

497
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: could so pretty pretty straightforward on our on our naming

498
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: of our duck holes. But uh yeah, we hunted hunted

499
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 1: into rice field very very windy day. We had a

500
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: north wind that was what like twenty miles per hour

501
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: that leaves I mean, yeah, it was super duper windy.

502
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: And we have a blind there on the corner. But

503
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: I don't always like to hunt out of a blind.

504
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes they can flare off of it.

505
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: So actually we went about a hundred and fifty words

506
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: west of where that blind is and set up all

507
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: behind the trees were sitting on the ground, um and

508
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: and we knew we knew there were a bunch of

509
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: ducks in there, but we did. We scouted the day

510
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: before we had seen just just mallards just piling in there. Yeah,

511
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: they wanted in their backs. We got a beautiful watch

512
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: the night before. It was a good scout. Yeah, so

513
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: go in, uh, have our shoot, and we're done by

514
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: nine o'clock. Had a even a futile light in the hole.

515
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: So that was that was really cool. I think A

516
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: cool thing to mention there is that we were hunting

517
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: them like turkeys, sitting under the base of a tree,

518
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: sitting on sitting on a little pad. Yeah. Yeah, it

519
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: was fun um calling like that. We're calling in a

520
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: lot of pairs. It wasn't like big groups mallards. Well,

521
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: it's so late in the season that they are you know,

522
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: paired up right now, so that's typically how you're going

523
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: to see them. Yeah. So I don't think I scout

524
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: busted any on that hunt. Now. They came right and

525
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: they flowed it in. Did you shoot? Yeah? And and

526
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: and the teal killed my limit of allars and the

527
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: teal didn't you? Yeah? And the teal the teal shot

528
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: was not something just to skip over, but what And

529
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: so the third day we went to about meda ye,

530
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: tell us about that, Shan, what is I don't know. Well,

531
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's been in Shawn's dreams

532
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: since he was a little boy, because he was all

533
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: googly eyed from the moment that we stepped foot into

534
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: the parking lot. Oh yeah, he's like Max at Prairie Wings,

535
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,239
Speaker 1: Max at his own store. Yeah. When you when you

536
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: think of Arkansas duck hunting, obviously you think about flooded

537
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: green timber. And when you think about places to hunt

538
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: in Arkansas, you think about me to you do? I mean, ultimately,

539
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: the reason a place like Stuck Guard has its reputation

540
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: is places like by Meta And uh yeah, I've wanted

541
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: to hunt there a long long time. It was really

542
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 1: really excited to make it happen, was excited to just

543
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: get to be out there. But ultimately the third day

544
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: was pretty rough as far as hunting. Tell us, just

545
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: give us a little rundown on the first day with

546
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: your boat and stuff. Okay, yeah, goodness, Well, anyone that

547
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: if you follow my Instagram and ultimately once you see

548
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: duck lore come out, you'll find that I've had boat

549
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: problems beyond all possibility this year. I mean it's been unbelievable. November,

550
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 1: boat motor took a pretty much catastrophic failure. It took

551
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: well over a month to get fixed. And then thought

552
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: it was fixed. Had it run good for about a

553
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: week maybe Max, Yeah, like I mean really it would

554
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: seem as though and by me to this week we

555
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: had another catastrophic failure. Went to go turn out of

556
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: the chain, flooded tim or in the heat of the

557
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: moment of trying to get back to where we're going,

558
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: trying to be ye, running running up a cut. We're

559
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: we've been bumping people out. No no, no, no, no

560
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: no no. I was wearing actual boots, bully A few

561
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: people know that's not true, that didn't happen. But so yeah,

562
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: we're running up a channel and uh, we're going to

563
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: cut out of it and shuts off. Go to turn

564
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: the key and uh nothing like literally no power switched batteries.

565
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: Do a computer reset TONI by motor and uh, she's toast.

566
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: She's toast. So luckily we had Amory's boat out there,

567
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: the Sea Witch and the Flying Squirrel. The flying squirrel

568
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: to see which trying to think sean salvation would be

569
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 1: a good and I gave and recent advice on naming stuff.

570
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: You never want to name anything with more than two syllables,

571
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,479
Speaker 1: which made it complicated. Actually, you know, one syllable is better,

572
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: but for a boat you can go to But anyway,

573
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: because there was a couple that were thrown in and

574
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: I was doing my syllable tests and I was like, no,

575
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: that's not gonna stick, but you can name it that.

576
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: It's not gonna stick. Gotta be two syllables, one or

577
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: two syllables. Do you know what bullet stands for? Boat stands? No,

578
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: bust out another thousand, that's not the only Yeah. At

579
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: this point, I've got like four boats. And so the

580
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: short version of this story is we we went ahead

581
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: and just parked the boats and we were close enough

582
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: to our hole that we walked into where we were

583
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: going to hunt. And uh, and we didn't kill a

584
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: duck that morning. So we had a buy me to

585
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: and did not kill a duck. Saw a lot of ducks.

586
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: Had had two ducks flying to the hole early and

587
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: I could have taken shots on, but I fell like

588
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: they're irresponsible, even though they're well within shooting range. It's

589
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: just kind of low light. I had just loaded my gun.

590
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: I guess I should have been more ready, but it

591
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: felt like I just didn't. I felt like I was

592
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: shooting into the abyss because down there in that green timber,

593
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: it's dark in there. And when they hit the water,

594
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: they just disappeared. They're all sudden, is not They're They're

595
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: just part of the black, even though you know, even

596
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: though it's leg and uh. And then when that happens

597
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: right at legal shooting, like you think this is gonna

598
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: happen a lot more, you know, you don't really take

599
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: a chance. And then we had the whole day and

600
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you guys something about water

601
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: fowlers that you may not even know about yourself. Because

602
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: this bird comes in and uh, I mean he just

603
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: flies right over the top of me, but above the canopy.

604
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: I shoot at the bird twice boom boom, used two

605
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: of my fifteen shells that I could have a boy meeting,

606
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: so had thirteen left then and missed the bird. And

607
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: then I go, did that sky bust that bird shot?

608
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: And he was like absolutely and he was like Clay,

609
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: that was a working bird, Okay. So it was a

610
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: total misjudgment. I mean, I just thought this is my chance.

611
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: There's just too chance. I shot at this bird above

612
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: the canopy, missed it. Austin, this is what all water

613
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: fellers do. You've done it. I mean, I just I

614
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: guarantee you all of you've done it, prints done it.

615
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. The one bird that you sky bust

616
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: is the one that you were gonna kill, even though

617
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty other birds had done the exact

618
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: same thing and didn't land the decos because Seawan's like

619
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: that bird was working. Here's what's bad when that happens

620
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: is when you've got somebody in party that does that.

621
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: Then there's actually or one duck comes in by itself

622
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: and somebody throws up and shoots, and there's right behind it,

623
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: nine behind it, straight up. That's that is hard to

624
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: understand when you're supposed to shooting. Oh yeah, it's terrible.

625
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: It's very nuanced, and it's all about how you feel

626
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: and what you are used to watching those birds do.

627
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: And it changes day to day because some days you

628
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: get that one or two here or there that do

629
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: pop in and finish, and it's like that's all we're

630
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: gonna get. The big flocks aren't gonna do it on

631
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: certain days and so you gotta take those singles and pairs,

632
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: and then there's other days where like your best strategy,

633
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: if the birds are really working, really doing it, letting

634
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: those singles or pairs peel out, keep moving land whatever,

635
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: and let the back end keep finishing. But it all

636
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: just changes on the day to day. You got a

637
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 1: new guy with you, you better, you better, I mean, yeah, yeah,

638
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: I need a short rope and stuff like that. Well

639
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: like last week and we were hunt hunting the White River,

640
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: had n't working in the timber for a little bit,

641
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: but then eight o'clock rolls around. We're shooting them up

642
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: on the dip, so not going full clay nucum and

643
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: shooting them above the trees, but I mean on the ship,

644
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: like they started to duck in but don't fully commit.

645
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: And I had kind of a slottle morning, but killed

646
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: six hours in the group and and then went to

647
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: moistle unit that afternoon, and uh, shouldn't shoot him in

648
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: the equal So only just a couple of miles from

649
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: each other, but at different time of day. You know,

650
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: calendar a year, it changes. So the second day and

651
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: we can we can tell this story pretty quick. The

652
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: second day we went back to buy me to I

653
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: had to, Yeah, I had to. So we we walk in.

654
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: It took us a while. We went to walking area,

655
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: walked in, tried to find water, made a couple, made

656
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: a big loop because we didn't find water, schools we

657
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,959
Speaker 1: thought we would. My legs are sore right now. Yeah,

658
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: we were. I was trying to convince and bring less stuff.

659
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: He wouldn't listen. And then but we finally find water

660
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: and we get back in there. We found a nice

661
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: hole where in a whole means usually where timbers fallen over.

662
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have known that, Like, why is there holes

663
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: in timber? What's that mean? Usually where a tree has

664
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: fallen over and there's an opening of the canopy with

665
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: ducks and get down. They're wanting to get in these

666
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: these these went through. Yeah, and basically we you know,

667
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: called a few birds, nothing serious at all, and then

668
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: we're done, like we're we decided we're leaving. And that's

669
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: where you can tell me what happened. Well, I will

670
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: say that that we walked around in that area until

671
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: we found where we kind of jumped some birds and

672
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: saw some birds works too, So there was birds kind

673
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: of in that area and we're seeing something close ish,

674
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: but nothing really like one to come decoy and and

675
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: check out what's going on. Dead, calm and cloudy, which

676
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: is like worst case scenario for duck hunting, especially in

677
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: the timber especially and uh Morell was low. Yeah, I was.

678
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: I was kind of at that point where, like acts,

679
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: I was kind of at that point where it's like,

680
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: you know what, it just isn't in the cards. Let's

681
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: let's go home. I'll have to come back and get

682
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: that Mallard. And it must have been our splashing as

683
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: we turned to walk out, and feet kicking and we're

684
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: just talking. I mean we're talking like normal voices and

685
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: no one behind a tree or anything pulling a jet

686
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: sled guns on the shoulder and Drake Mallard got too close,

687
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: so he What happened, Austin is that we just kind

688
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: of see some birds at the corner of the eye

689
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: and they're kind of cutting up a little bit. But

690
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: there Sean says they were in the canopy. They weren't.

691
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: They were they were. He was shot and missed. It

692
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: would have been sky busting. I'm gonna defend myself. Okay,

693
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: they were Let's say they were in the top of

694
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: the canopy. I I learned my lesson, though I did.

695
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: I'll let you shoot first, because I just was like,

696
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: are we shooting these ducks or not? Because I'm not

697
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: gonna be the one that's gonna skybusting. So I had

698
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: the gun up and when I heard you shot, I

699
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: just unloaded. Shot three times and you you clipped one. Yeah,

700
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: I clipped him. Broke, broke his wing, fell forty yards away,

701
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: and he's off to the races. Yeah. Yeah. When I

702
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: saw it, it it hit the water and just started swimming

703
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: at man, I was gonna tackle it if it took it.

704
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: I took off a run and as fast as I

705
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: could after that duck. It was. It was anything but

706
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: what like I guess I would consider, you know, success

707
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: on a normal hunt, right, Like I I go just

708
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: like any duck hunter does, but I want him fluttering

709
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: hanging over deepoys. But ultimately I got that that one mount.

710
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: Now now it's kind of like, uh, it's gonna have

711
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: to be a little bit of a personal vendetta deal

712
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: to come back and learn some stuff about this place,

713
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: because it's unbelievable that the scale of it, it's hard

714
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: to comprehend when you look at it on a map,

715
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: you can go, oh, you know, that's ten miles there

716
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: or whatever the heck it is. You know, but when

717
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 1: you get out in that timber and realize how far

718
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: two d yards or three hundred yards is in that

719
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: kind of environment, whereas two hundred three yards in in

720
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: South Dakota on a on a lake, or you know,

721
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: even a mile on a lake in South Dakota, like

722
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: ducks flare from a mile, like from gunshots and whatever

723
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: else out here, you can have so many groups of

724
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: hunters stuffed in a mile and like you have no

725
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: clue what's going on a mile away, not a darn clue.

726
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: And I can see how guys spend their whole lives

727
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: learning that timber, I mean really like picking it apart acres.

728
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: And as a camera guy on that hunt, I see

729
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: everything in a whole different perspective. You guys were seen

730
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: in as duck hunting, and I was sitting back here

731
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: like this feels like a big game hunt. Like everyone

732
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 1: was talking quiet, moving slow, and it was yeah, pretty

733
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: much a spot in stock and like we said, like

734
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: we just need to get that one mallard. And after

735
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: the previous or the day before, all the troubles and

736
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: getting skunked. It was like, we all want that, Mallard.

737
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: We all have one goal and it's that Mallard. Yeah.

738
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: That that was the things we could have gone. We

739
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: could have stayed here and probably killed a lot of ducks.

740
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: We went back. I wanted to stay here just for

741
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 1: the record. Now, hey, that's a good place to start

742
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: talking about this last podcast we talked about these green

743
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: tree reservoirs really dug in deep Austin. Did we cover it?

744
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: If somebody listened to that podcast, would they come away

745
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: with the info that you feel like they would need

746
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: to understand the problem, understand what's gonna be done, understand

747
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: the challenges. Yes, yes, Yeah, there's a lot to it.

748
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: It's uh or what would you like to even add

749
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: to it or expound on? Like if you were listening

750
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: to You're like, man, I'd like to talk more about that. Well,

751
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: this render is appropriate for it because I mean, obviously

752
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: these guys heard the first heard the first beer grease,

753
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: than heard the second render. But now here seeing by me,

754
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: to smelling by me, to watching the sunlight and the

755
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: sunrise come through the trees, having the boat right in

756
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: y'all understand it? And it's almost Arkansas spiritual connection to

757
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: those red oaks with water on them and green heads

758
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: coming through them. Having you guys here to talk about

759
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: it first and then to see it, I think the

760
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: most powerful connection, because it's not just a resource that

761
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: we're conserving. It's something that's really important to the character

762
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: of our state. If the Second Beer Grease was incomplete

763
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: in any way, it's hearing these guys talk about what

764
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: they've seen that's kind of made it complete. It was

765
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: interesting being out there to see a lot of dead timber,

766
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: and you know, I have no frame of reference, so

767
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: I might have just gone out there and just been like, well,

768
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: this is just what it looks like. One day we

769
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: were there with somebody who had been there a lot,

770
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: and he was like, man, he said, look at all

771
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: these leaning trees. And I just thought leaning trees were normal,

772
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: but he was like, those leaning trees are an indication

773
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: of a root system that is compromised, and those trees

774
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: aren't supposed to be leaning like that. And you just

775
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: look through this forest and there's a lot of leaning trees,

776
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: a lot of dead trees, and um, so I mean,

777
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: you know the thing is real, you know. Yeah, Well,

778
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: and we use the analogy wet feet a lot talking

779
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: about the trees roots. Now that has limited persuasion with

780
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: two men wearing crocs right now petive wet feet, not

781
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: men and crocs. But anyways, um no, um, you know

782
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: y'all saw all the boating, all the boating canals, all

783
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: the dishes we have in there. Well due to increased

784
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: rainfall this October November was the first time in three

785
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: years that has been drying for for us to get

786
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: in there, just to clean out those ditches, clean out

787
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: the canals three years. Um. So we've got some challenges

788
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: on our hands, and it's an important part of the

789
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: state that's at risk. Uh. But we're gonna do what

790
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: we can when we can. Yeah, A Marie, what do

791
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: you think any anything, What what stood out to you

792
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: and what we discussed or or or anything you'd like

793
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: to add to it. I mean I think that, uh,

794
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: our director Austin Booth put it put it all very

795
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: well that, Um, it's an important part of our character

796
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: here in Arkansas, having these green tree reservoirs. I mean,

797
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: you don't get anything like it. It's funny because Sean

798
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: and I were talking earlier, it's crazy that eight hours

799
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: north of here, ducks land in dry fields and then

800
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: you get down here and they're landing in water in yeah,

801
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: and they're flying through they're flying through trees and landing

802
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: in water. It's just unbelievable. So it's a big part

803
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: of yes, our our state, our heritage, UM, the whole

804
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: flyway in general, something that we can't stand to lose,

805
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: and we have to do whatever we whatever it takes,

806
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: and whatever is within our control. Two. I thought that

807
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: was a good point that Austin made on the on

808
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: the on the podcast, was that there's lots of reasons why.

809
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 1: I mean, a system this complex, it's not just one.

810
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: It's usually not just one issue. It's usually multiple things.

811
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: And there's only so many things that you can cleanly

812
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: touch and manipulate. There's some things that are just there.

813
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: There's you know, there's issues with UM just other stuff

814
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: that's hard to manage. So that point being, this is

815
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: what we can do, this is what we're gonna do.

816
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: There's other more longer term issues that we're gonna go with.

817
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: You know. You know what Luke Naylor said that in

818
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 1: your last podcast, he said wildlife management is a mixture

819
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: of science and art all goes hand in hand. And

820
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: if I if I could just add one thing to

821
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: what I thought was, Um, I don't know. Poignant about

822
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: the last podcast was that you have you know Bobby

823
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: our chairman, who's talking about a generation prior to him,

824
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: right the Rex Hancock here, so he's talking about the

825
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: generation before him and Marie and I, you know, we're

826
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: looking to Bobby his a generation before us, and we're

827
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: making decisions about the generation after us right now, Uh,

828
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: probably the generation after. Yeah. So it's just one snapshot

829
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: of what you know duck hunting in Arkansas is it

830
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: spans four generations just in the context of one decision,

831
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: and that's what it means the state and that's why

832
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: it's a good story to tell. But also wanted to

833
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: be at it too for the long term because that's

834
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: what it takes. Bobby talked about Rex Hancock in what

835
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: he did up at the Cache River, and you know,

836
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: I obviously heard the name Rex Hancock before, but I

837
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: didn't know the whole story, and so that was really

838
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: educational for me to hear, and honestly, uh really rings

839
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: a bell with what we're going through right now and

840
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: the decisions that we're having to make you know, Luke

841
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: brought up that he introduced the phrase to me that

842
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have known humans dimension research, which I had

843
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: to look that up. He said it in the podcast

844
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: and I just shook my head like I knew what

845
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: he was talking about. I went back home and look

846
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: up what that meant. And humans dimension research is where

847
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: is a field of study, academic study where we people

848
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: try to understand how humans value natural resources. And so

849
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: like talking about Rex Hancock and the multiple interests that

850
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: went into the Cache River, I mean there was that

851
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: was a big that was a big amount of energy

852
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: being put into channelizing the cash. Mean that was the

853
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: economy of Arkansas would have been at stakes. So there

854
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: would have been farmers that would have been like, hey,

855
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: we want barges running up and down the cash to

856
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: take our crops to to market. There there would have

857
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: been all this stuff. But somebody had to stand up

858
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: for for wildlife, for wild places, for a way of life,

859
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: and had to really like put some teeth into it,

860
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: you know. And it was interesting that humans dimension research

861
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: just that everybody values the land differently. When we toured

862
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: a farm this week where the sky had basically just

863
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: it was like I described it, it it was like Jurassic Park,

864
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: but for ducks, just in terms of like all the

865
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: things that they were doing, and we were driving through

866
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: seeing ducks and there was it was just an incredible place.

867
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: And I had the thought while we were there, like

868
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: he's trying to turn this place back into a wetland

869
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: essentially for ducks. Most most of the world is going

870
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: the other direction like a wet and is not valuable

871
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: to you unless you value waterfowl. So just the whole

872
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: idea of that, when people look at a piece of land,

873
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: nobody's thinking the same thing, why that land has value

874
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: and how it should be used. And that's why we

875
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: have to have these strong, strong opinions, strong science, strong conviction, perseverance, dedication.

876
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: There's just a lot that goes into saving wildlife in

877
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: It's true, yeah, it is, you know, on that note,

878
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: talking about Rex Hancocks specifically, it was interesting bit for

879
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: me in the podcast where it's mentioned how he's like

880
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: this ordinary guy that you know, fights for this like

881
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: fundamental ecological component in the area when you look at

882
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: when you look at waterfowl over the last hundred years,

883
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: you see this a lot where relatively speaking, nobody's so

884
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: to speak, just average guys come along and impact great,

885
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,479
Speaker 1: great things to the resource. You know, Ding Darling wasn't

886
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: a nobody, but now he's like considered the you know,

887
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: father of the National Wildlife Refuge System. And ultimately he

888
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: was a cartoonist that was like making fun of politics

889
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: and ends up creating you know, okay, huge portion of

890
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: the cash. It's National Wildlife Refuge. You know, Ding Darling's father,

891
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: the National Wildlife Refuge System. And you have these guys

892
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: that just come along like see this kind of like

893
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: this is the hill I'll die on moment of their

894
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: life of like they know it takes only one man,

895
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: but it's it's one person sees there's fundamentally something wrong

896
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: and they have to stand, you know, for what they believe.

897
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: And and we owe those those singular people, we owe

898
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: them a lot. Mr Bobby said he couldn't imagine this

899
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: part of Arkansas if the whole ash River had been channelized,

900
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: like how much it would have changed the flyaway, how

901
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 1: much it would have changed the system. And just so yeah,

902
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: those things are I've personally seen part of the stretch

903
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: that was before it kind of got stopped. There's you know,

904
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: small stretch of the cash it was, and it's uh,

905
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: it like instantly makes you disheartened when you look at it,

906
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, this is what it would all been.

907
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: It's a it's a line. You know. You know, so

908
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: much of the last hundred and fifty years in this

909
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: country we were trying to we're trying to get out

910
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: of this place being a wilderness, you know, a place

911
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: that was uninhabitable. I mean, like we talked about in

912
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: the first one about how much of Arkansas literally would

913
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: have been uninhabitable, I mean because of flooding. And then

914
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, so man has always been in this in

915
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: this you know, struggle to make nature more consistent and

916
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: more manageable. And uh, but some of this waterfowl stuff,

917
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: we're one we need to go back the other direction.

918
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: So anytime you're going against the current of kind of

919
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: the modern trends, you know, it's it can be an

920
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: uphill battle. John, what stood out anything stand out to

921
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: you in the podcast? There's so many things. Um, all

922
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: the water Fowler's have been like, Clay, this is the

923
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: best Burgeries podcast you've ever done, And of course it

924
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: goes love water Fowler. It was a great podcast. Very informational, entertaining, educational,

925
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: the whole the whole band, maybe a little bit by us.

926
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: I know a few people on there. Just a minute

927
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: ago Anne Marie had mentioned the eight hours north of

928
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: here ducks feeding in dry fields. Then here they're being

929
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: in the timber. It really shows how well one how

930
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: these birds adapt as they travel down the flyway and

931
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: back up the flyway. But to also like how important

932
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: it is to understand the whole system from start to finish. Yeah,

933
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, as I was producing this podcast the and

934
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: just gathering information, the evidence is so clear of what

935
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: needs to be done, it was almost like, well, this

936
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 1: is a no brainer. There's no story here because this

937
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: is what needs to be done. What is what's the challenge?

938
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: Austin like why why? Yeah, what could what could make

939
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: it fail? Well, I'm very sympathetic to that position because

940
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: everybody in Arkansas, in this part of the state any ways,

941
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: they live three hundred and five days a year waiting

942
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: for the other sixty. That's not just duck hunters. That's

943
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: that's gas stations, that's grocery stores, that's beds and breakfasts,

944
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: that's restaurants, and so to look at a resource and

945
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: think it's it's dying. There's a whole lot of reasons

946
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: that you that you don't want to believe that. We're

947
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: also not looking at kind of like what we talked

948
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: about earlier. We don't we don't have the luxury of

949
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: like single cause problems. It's really easy to sit here

950
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty two and be like, yeah, this

951
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 1: is a no brainer. But you go back five years ago,

952
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: you go back teen years ago, fifteen twenty, twenty years ago,

953
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 1: We've learned a great deal about red oak dormancy, learned

954
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: a great deal about what standing water versus sheet flow

955
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: does the trees. We've had a immense increase in the

956
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: rainfall that we get. So we're at a luxury right

957
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: here and right now of information that I'm that I'm

958
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: not willing to look back on the years prior and

959
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: fault guys for for not having and for fault then

960
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: for not believing like, oh, this is gonna get better,

961
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: This is gonna get better. You know, the drainage will

962
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: be better, we won't get as much rain next year.

963
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: But looking forward to what could make this all not

964
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: work out, It's gonna come down to whether it's dry enough.

965
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: When we need it to be dry to put the

966
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: work in, and whether we have public support for the

967
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: forest management and for the infrastructure that we need to

968
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: put in. So how would public support, how would that like,

969
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: what would some what would a group of people do

970
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: that would cause that not to work. I'm just trying

971
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: to understand that. Well, yeah, that's just raise caine that

972
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: it just causes problems for us to do it. You know,

973
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: for so many years people were used to, Okay, Balmada

974
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: or hurricane, you know, opening weekend a duck season, there's

975
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: going to be water in there, sticking with tradition. And

976
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: now we can't guarantee that because we never know what

977
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: the weather is gonna gonna hold for us, and that's

978
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: something that's really difficult to grasp. That's the last thing.

979
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: I know. It was said last time that none of us,

980
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, want that to happen. This is you know,

981
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: we wish that we were not in this situation, but

982
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: we are, and we have to adapt and change and

983
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: do do what is necessary to save the resource. I

984
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: think that Mother Nature's answer in systems is an answer

985
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: to variability, and that really the only constant in life

986
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: is change. The things change and you just can't deny

987
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: that this has changed. You can't deny that the prairie

988
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: pothole region has changed. You can't deny that there's all

989
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: these man made factors, whether it's power plants or the

990
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: spread of corn farther west and farther north, and changes

991
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,479
Speaker 1: of water quality, and go down the line of all

992
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: the things that affect a duck, and all those things

993
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: are happening in synchronization. While also then, like you throw

994
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: the cherry on top, that you have a dying force,

995
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: like to be frank, like there's a lot already going

996
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: against Arkansas with those other things I mentioned. When when

997
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: you start looking at Lake Socakawea in North Dakota last

998
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: year on the Missouri River, a hundred some mile long

999
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: reservoir didn't freeze till almost February, held a lot of

1000
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: ducks longer. Complex but complex. It's a very complex issue.

1001
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: But to come back to your point, like there's things

1002
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: you can an altar and you can change. Can I

1003
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: say something? I said something in a long time, So

1004
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: raise your hand proper, Max, And I endorsed this message

1005
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: before I listened to this podcast. I'll be honest with you,

1006
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know there's a problem down here, and maybe

1007
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: that's me being out of state and not knowing about

1008
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: other state issues. Maybe that's just me having a closed

1009
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: mind and just worried about my own state, or just

1010
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: simply not listening to what people had to say. But

1011
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: I listened to the podcast and I was like, there's

1012
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: no way that's happened. No way, because like I I

1013
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: was at Clay Full Drama. I I just always thought

1014
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: this great, awesome area was always gonna stay great, and

1015
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: spending two days in the area, it was just like, yeah,

1016
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: I can definitely see the problem. I can definitely see

1017
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: the issues, and I think people need to open their

1018
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: ears and just work. Like Sean said, worry about the

1019
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: whole dang flyway from the breeding grounds all the way

1020
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: to the winter wintering grounds. So I'd had two things

1021
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: to that Max, y'all went to buy Meta and from

1022
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: a forest management perspective, in a public opportunity perspective, the

1023
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: goal with Biomeda is to keep it from becoming like

1024
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: other wildlife management areas that we have. So if y'all

1025
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: were in the woods and y'all had somebody pointing out,

1026
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, dead or irreversibly dying red oaks with extreme

1027
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: basil swelling at Bio Meta. We can take it to

1028
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: some other places that are making six sick, just sick

1029
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: to your stuffing. I'm sure we're dying from the inside out.

1030
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's unbelievable. But if that's the rain cloud,

1031
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: that silver lining is like. You know, we announced some

1032
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: of our water level management changes on September three of

1033
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: of feedback has been fantastic. I never ever would have

1034
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: thought that we have the support that we've gotten since

1035
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: then because people are invested in the resource. We have

1036
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: a very unified commission. The hunters are starting to see

1037
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: the change in the resource. You know, we have lots

1038
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: of public meetings this summer trying to get people out

1039
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: in the woods when there's leaves on the trees to

1040
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: see what the trees look like in the summer when

1041
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: they're dead, uh or irreversibly dying. We're in a really

1042
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: good place right now as a state to recognize the

1043
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: problem that we've been talking about for a long time,

1044
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: but now one that we're ready to move out one.

1045
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: You know, I think I think this whole issue is

1046
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: just making basically making hard decisions for conservation in wildlife

1047
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: and habitat is something that is going to happen in

1048
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: more places than just waterfowl. I mean, it's just undeniable

1049
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: that something is happening with historic patterns of climate like

1050
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: weather has been wild, waterfall has been every like, this

1051
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: place is changing and and you know, whether it's just

1052
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: a little blip, I don't know, but in our in

1053
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: my lifetime, this place is changing. And I'm not saying

1054
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: this place hasn't. I'm talking about Planet Earth. Yeah, it's changing.

1055
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: So I think what you guys are facing, what State

1056
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Speaker 1: of Arkansas is facing, about making significant changes in the

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Speaker 1: way we manage habitat that's gonna affect people is something

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01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: that's gonna have to happen in the future. So I'd

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01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: like to think that these decisions will be made maybe

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01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: easier over time, as precedence is set for Hey, we

1061
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: just gotta suck it up, I mean, you know, I mean,

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01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: we we have lived in the glory days of some

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01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: species of wildlife in North America, and we're in the

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Speaker 1: glory days of some of them right now. But there's

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01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: gonna become there's you just can't get too used to something,

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01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, the earth, everything goes in cycles. It is.

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Speaker 1: And I think some of the few that would be detractors,

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01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: like talked about in the podcast, are aware of my

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01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: cowboy boots file me to are are people that that

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Speaker 1: saw the real, true bona fide glory days of Arkansas.

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01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: You know, Arkansas's highest record dot harvest was two thousand

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01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: one or to where it was like it was one

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01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: million mallards right now, one million ducks harvested, one million

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01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: mallards plus you know, another million ducks on top of that.

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01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: That's in There's no state that ever ever has and

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01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: ever you know, for a long time probably ever come

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01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: anywhere near that. Again, things are just changing, and that's

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01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: that's everywhere, right, Like we've got this hunter problem overall,

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01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: like less waterfowl hunters as well, less people contributing to

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01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: the resource. And and and I think we just need that.

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01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: I guess that moment of uh, it's there, Yeah, it

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01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: is there, it's there. Tell me what you mean by

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01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: that awesome? Well, you know Amory will know what I mean,

1084
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: and so well Brent. But you know, I'm thirty five.

1085
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Hell, Amory is that she's under alright? Alright,

1086
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: there we go. Uh And we're like at this like

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01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: generational point in water fowling, where as our Kansans were

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01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: like still young in the population group, but we're old

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01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: enough to remember duck hunting what it was like even

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01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: in the nineties, but we're young enough to like really

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01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: see what it is now. And then behind us is

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01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: this group of publicly and water fowlers, and they think

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01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: that they're going out and having a great hunt because

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01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: they're killing a wood duck limit. And there's nothing wrong

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01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: with killing a wood duck limit. But if if we're

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01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: like trying to benchmark the long term hunting quality of

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Speaker 1: what an Arkansas g t R is, I'm glad you

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01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: killed the limit of wood ducks, but that ain't anybody.

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01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: And there's there's a whole lot more there's that's right,

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01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:42,479
Speaker 1: and and and like as that generation of Arkansas water

1101
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: fowlers grows, they're like starting to see, like, hey, what

1102
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: I've heard about about buying me the Hurricane Black River,

1103
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, Black Swamp, uh, you know all these like

1104
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: icon and duck hunting places. Like there's something that's not here,

1105
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: and I want to fix it because I don't have

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01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: it now. But I understand that I'm young enough for

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01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: if we make a commitment now as our Kansas that

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01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: maybe I'll be able to enjoy it when I'm fifty

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01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: or sixty. And young people impact change. Yeah, like young

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01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: people change. And because they got that that Instagram and

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01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: that snapchat got that fire and you know, we did

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01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: four we did four public meetings about our water level

1113
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: changes this year that we say the average age um

1114
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: of our publicly and water flowers are between two And

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01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: that's pretty wild. That's pretty young. That's kind of new

1116
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: generation Skybusters. You're an old man skybuster, Clay. Uh, they're

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01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: learning from the best. Wait did I see the video?

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01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: But the but the crowd that we had at these

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01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: public meetings consistent with that, that's great, it's really encouraged.

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Speaker 1: That's super cool. Yeah. I won't name any names, but

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01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: we were in stutt Guard. We had the public meeting

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01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: at the RNT tap room, which all went to. That's

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01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: where we had it at and there were there were

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01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: some fine, red blooded American males that were ready to

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01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: go out to buy me to that night and start

1126
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: and start digging up levies getting that water out of there.

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01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think uh, I was just just talking

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Speaker 1: about Hunter recruitment. I think the biggest detriment waterfowl hunter

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01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: recruitment is leaky waiters. You know you need to buy

1130
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: your own waiters. You had your opportunity at Max the

1131
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: other day, and then you thought about it. There's I

1132
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: have to Uh, we've been talking about. Austin mentioned these

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01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,919
Speaker 1: public meetings that we had. Those were incredible. They really

1134
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: were very um information. You were able to go some

1135
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: of them. I did. I was out of town for

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01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: one of them, but I did go to the other

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01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: three and UH, all very successful in people that really

1138
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: wanted to get out and figure out. Okay, this is

1139
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: something that I'm passionate about. What can I do to help?

1140
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: How do I understand this? How do I take this

1141
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: back and tell my friends? In fact, that's how Austin

1142
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: ended each of those meetings was the best thing you

1143
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: can do tonight is go out with the information that

1144
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: you learned here tonight and go tell somebody about it.

1145
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: And I think I really do because of Austin and

1146
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: our staff at the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission. That

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01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: is why so far this has been successful, and I

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01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: think that's why it will be successful for the future,

1149
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: is because of the educational aspects that were put in

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01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: place leading up to it. I hope it is successful

1151
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: because I want to come back it will be I do.

1152
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: I have faith And while we're while we're on this

1153
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: is something that hasn't been touched, but we've talked about

1154
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 1: this kind off to the side. You know, we talked

1155
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: a lot about public land, but also this timber die

1156
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: off that we're seeing. We're actually dealing with that on

1157
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: our property as well, and we've had to take a

1158
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: step back. And actually, what I've learned in this process

1159
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: of game and fish is really what inspired us to

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01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: go and look at our own woods and say, h

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01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: we got some leaning tree is in there. You know,

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01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: We've you know, we've got some floating acorns that we've

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01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: seen during duck season from these white oaks, and what

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01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: what can we what can we do to make our

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01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: woods better? And so we've had to go in and

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01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: do that. We actually left a big majority of our

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01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: timber dry this year. And uh, it's something that you

1168
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: said something this week that I wouldn't have known the statistic,

1169
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 1: but the Arkansas's private land. That's right, Arkansas is privately owned.

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01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: So but all all that to be said, yes, we're

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01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 1: doing this on our property. But um, it benefits The

1172
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,959
Speaker 1: more people that do realize this and that get involved

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01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: in their in their own backyards and their own property,

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01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: the more it benefits the whole state. Yeah, and so

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01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of private duck clubs,

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01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: private landowners, farmers that are getting this message to and

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01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: doing stuff just like you guys here on your farm.

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01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: So that's right, good, it's good. You know what else

1179
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: eats red oak acorns? Squirrels need them. So we're not

1180
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 1: just saving ducks, squirrels Austin squirrels great, make them great again. Hey, closers,

1181
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: any anything you guys want to say, because this is

1182
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: this is the last. I'm always a little bit sad

1183
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: when we closed down a series. You know, when we

1184
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: got done talking about Daniel Boone. We talked about Daniel

1185
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: Boone for like six weeks. We did find the Daniel

1186
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: Boone decoy, and we did on the on the decoy,

1187
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: I didn't know they had Sharpie's back then though it

1188
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: did say dB or molded flambeau plastic. Yeah, it's pretty amazing.

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01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: My closing comment would be, thank you for doing this

1190
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: clay that I I do. I want to say that publicly,

1191
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: thank you for just taking an interest in this and

1192
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: not even being a waterfowl hunter, but wanting to learn

1193
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: more and wanting to learn more about what we do

1194
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 1: with the Arkansas Game and Fish coming into this and

1195
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: spreading the good news. So I wanted it hasn't It's

1196
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: something I needed needed to know, you know, and I

1197
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 1: know you're a big duck hunter. Now you got your

1198
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: own duck call. Yeah, para leaky waiters. But hopefully you'll

1199
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: get some new ones someday. This has been This has

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01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: been an incredible week. It's been a lot of fun.

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01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: It has It's been a lot of fun. Yes, Austin

1202
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: your turn. Sorry, I'm Austin's brains about I'm having a

1203
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:17,879
Speaker 1: moment over here. First of all, for for my first closer,

1204
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: I've been the director since July. Amory's been here he

1205
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 1: said three years, right, yeah, alright. I'm a junior now,

1206
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: and this podcast is familiar with Luke. Luke's been working

1207
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: for this agency for fifteen years. There's a whole other

1208
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: cadre of guys behind Luke and me, guys and gals

1209
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: that have been beating this drum and putting in the

1210
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: hard work for years and years and years to get

1211
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,919
Speaker 1: to the public to this point, to get this agency

1212
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: to the point. I want to close it out by thinking,

1213
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, Chris Racy, Brad Corner, Rob Willie Buck Jackson,

1214
01:10:52,640 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: Garrick Dugger, Terrence Teal, Mark Cook, Terence Teals, the Waterfall guy. Yeah,

1215
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: so there's just this maiden name as goad Wall. There's

1216
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 1: a there's a there's just a ton of people that

1217
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: have been beating this drum for a long time. They've

1218
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: known that it's been the right thing to do, and

1219
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: it's easy for us to swoop into a podcast like

1220
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: this and talk about it in depth for a few hours,

1221
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: but they've been making it their life's work for years.

1222
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: So just remarkably grateful for them. The other thing is,

1223
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: did you say that do you have a duck call?

1224
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: Hand hand tuned by Jim. He didn't even have to

1225
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: tune it because it was already perfect. So, because I've

1226
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: listened to every single Burgaries podcast except for the Misty

1227
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: with a Mustache render all right, I remember that when

1228
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: people would come on your podcast in the early days,

1229
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: he used to make them give a mouth call or

1230
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 1: in nowhood, right, I mean it happened. I think it's

1231
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: only fitting that you give us your best duck call.

1232
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: I will go and get it right now and bring

1233
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 1: it over here. Do it? Do you know where it's Well,

1234
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: we'll just pause for a minute, Okay, okay, alright, alright,

1235
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: stages of yours. I believe in you. Okay. So, uh,

1236
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: we've gone and gotten. So we've gone and gotten the

1237
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: duck call that I got from Uh, I got it

1238
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: from Max. But Jim ron Quest tuned this himself. Yeah,

1239
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean I've got I've got pictures of it. It

1240
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: has Jim Spit in it. I mean it actually probably does.

1241
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: So the other day I made a semi bet with

1242
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: Sean that I said, I bet I can blow a

1243
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: duck call that is better than what you think I

1244
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: would like. I didn't say I was gonna be good.

1245
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 1: I just said it's gonna be whatever your expectations are,

1246
01:12:54,800 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna exceed. That's exactly right. And so in Biometa.

1247
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,560
Speaker 1: In in Biometa, I pulled this out and blew it

1248
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: for the first time ever. And it's not the first

1249
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 1: time I've blown a duck call. I had blown them before,

1250
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: but probably like eight or nine years ago, and never

1251
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: had any instruction, just kind of you know, I don't

1252
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: even know why I had a duck call, but I

1253
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: had one, and I blew it a little bit, and

1254
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 1: I understand the sequence. I mean, here's a cadence. Ye, okay,

1255
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: here it is. I'm gonna start off with a quack. Okay,

1256
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: can you do a duck? Can you do a g

1257
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 1: The quack was good. Here was my three criteria. He

1258
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: had to have a good quack. He had to have

1259
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:58,759
Speaker 1: good fundamentals of how to hold and play and the stuff.

1260
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: But sometimes don't take some new guy to come in

1261
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:05,799
Speaker 1: and teach the old guy's house. How he's still against

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Speaker 1: my watch the video of you yesterday on Instagram and

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Speaker 1: you were moving your hand. What are you doing? But

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Speaker 1: you're curving your hand around then no, with your other hand.

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Speaker 1: You've been like, it's a goose call. You don't do that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: But I had a decent question. What do you think

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Speaker 1: you exceeded my expectation. I believed in you the whole time.

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Speaker 1: The whole time. You're like, who's going to know this?

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Speaker 1: But I mean, can you do a gad wall call? Man?

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Speaker 1: How do you do it in traffic? No? Just blow? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like a gazoo walls they got no heart. Again, gad

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Speaker 1: wall doesn't have a soul. I mean, this is the

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Speaker 1: passion of that what god wall? Every du to you? Again,

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Speaker 1: that's no, it's I try to put an ounce of

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Speaker 1: heart on it and they're like, nope, that's not again.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Can we hear grandfather

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Speaker 1: Croc call hey, grandfather Crock here? Yeah? Yeah. Eight years ago,

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Speaker 1: eight years ago, when we were sitting on a bear

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Speaker 1: bait in Oklahoma, in this hundred and fifty pound bear

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Speaker 1: walks out with a radio collar on. I said, shoot

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Speaker 1: that when it's bended, and he said that bear, that's

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Speaker 1: a baby. I'm like, no, it's got a it's bender.

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Speaker 1: He's got a collar on it. I had. He's like, no,

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Speaker 1: this length way we do it. I was like, this

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Speaker 1: is a duck hunter coming into bear. Yeah. This bear

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Speaker 1: had a radio collar on his neck. And he was like, man,

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Speaker 1: that's the one you want to shoot. You wear that collar.

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Speaker 1: He didn't hit with raw. Okay, is that good? Keep

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Speaker 1: it going a little little type blue, little hard give

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Speaker 1: us a feat and chatter. Oh that's good. It's pretty good,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah? That's pure right, there. Yeah, he's expectations solid.

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Speaker 1: He met my expectations, which is outstanding. Yeah, well, thank

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Speaker 1: you all for being on the render Austin. Thanks thanks

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Speaker 1: Ton you guys welcome back. If you're in northwest Arkansas,

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Speaker 1: we're Donner Render. Just drop in, John Max, awesome have

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Speaker 1: you guys. You guys are welcome any times. I guess

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Speaker 1: I gotta talk with the main render crew to make

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Speaker 1: sure that y'all met the standard. You know this, there'll

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Speaker 1: be a lot of talk. They'll be like, well they did, okay.

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Speaker 1: They kind of get like that, Yeah, because Josh out

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Speaker 1: there just wishing he was spending and centing. Well, all right, guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming. Thank you. Times are coming great.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put my cowboy books back on. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: might get in the fight before this is over. Who's

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Speaker 1: who's the guy that who's the guy that does the

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Speaker 1: sound at Media? Phil? Phil? I didn't you them this time? Actually, Hayden,

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Speaker 1: Samak Hayden Sorry man, Hey, Sama texted me the other

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Speaker 1: day and he's like, what's Brent eating candy on the

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Speaker 1: rest room