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Speaker 1: Ron Wolfley, and the question becomes gentlemen, Arguably the deepest

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Speaker 1: is going to change based on the coverage that the

427
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Speaker 1: defense is going to play, and you and the quarterback

428
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: had to be on the same page for the most part.

429
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: So it was really difficult for a wide receiver to

430
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Speaker 1: come in mentally with all the hots, all the checks

431
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: and run the right route. Where I think now we've

432
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: seen the influence of college football, of course at the

433
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: NFL level, and I think it's easier to make that

434
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: transition over the last three or four years. Yet you're

435
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Speaker 1: telling me over the last three or four years there's

436
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: still a big miss rate on wide receivers, correct, I mean,

437
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Speaker 1: whether it's John Ross or Henry Ruggs or nikkil Harry.

438
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just been a lot of misses. You're

439
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: gonna call Henry Ruggs a miss yet, I mean he's

440
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: played one year. Well, you have a pair of second

441
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Speaker 1: round picks in Andy Isabella and Christian Kirk Dave. Does

442
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: that matter at all in this equation? You just put

443
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: a picked up AJ Green. What do you think the

444
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 1: urgency is by the Cardinals or should it be to

445
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Speaker 1: go receiver in the first or second round. I think

446
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 1: it's high if there's a guy that you absolutely love

447
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: that you want to go get. Again, I don't believe

448
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: that the big three are going to be there. I

449
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: think that there's no way either I Chase is going

450
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: to probably go first, but Waddle or Smith, I don't

451
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: think those guys are around after pick eleven. So you'd

452
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: have to move up to get one of those guys.

453
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Speaker 1: And that's why I said if if you don't do that,

454
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Speaker 1: you're not taking one at sixteens. I think there are

455
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: other players are going to be more valuable. But to

456
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: Wolf's point, you know, you probably could look at the

457
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: hit rate on quarterbacks in the first round. It's probably

458
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: pretty similar. You know most you know, half of these

459
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: guys aren't going to make it. You know, the five

460
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: guys that are going to go in the first However,

461
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: many picks of this draft first, you know, twenty picks

462
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: at quarterback, you're probably going to have two that hit

463
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: and three that miss, and it may end up being

464
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: the ones you least expect. Everybody assumes Trevor Lawrence is

465
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: a home run, but we don't know. I just feel

466
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Speaker 1: like there are certain positions that are always safer than others,

467
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: and I think wide receiver next to quarterback is the

468
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: least safe. But that doesn't deter me from going up

469
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: to get a player like Jalen Waddle or Davante Smith,

470
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: because I think both those guys are phenomenal talents. I mean,

471
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: the only thing that's going to keep those guys from

472
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: succeeding because they're so gifted is injury. But you could

473
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: say that about anybody. What I love about Jaylen Waddle

474
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: is he impacts the defense when he doesn't have the

475
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: ball because of his speed. That is something that Henry

476
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: Rugs the third has done as well. When you look

477
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: at the Raiders, go back and look at their tape.

478
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: You know what. He didn't get the ball a lot,

479
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, and I think he's got to

480
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: get better there. But you had Derek Card through for

481
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: over forty one hundred yards and at a quarterback rating

482
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: of one hundred and one point four, and a lot

483
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: of that's got to do with the fact you had

484
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: a guy out there that was just a burner. That

485
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: changed a lot of secondaries and a lot of coverage,

486
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: and I think jaylen Waddle would do the same thing.

487
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it seems so risky, and the historical

488
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: numbers on the receiver position back it up. It's just,

489
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, if you want that sort of risk, go

490
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: trade bitcoin. As someone joked, you know, just to me,

491
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: I'd rather go offensive line, which has the best hit

492
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: rate than receiver, at least in round one. That's me.

493
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: We'll talk a corner next. That is Dave pass our

494
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: guest on the big red rage, dick split to the left,

495
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: atched up on Pat p Allen, back to thrown looking

496
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: for Dickon's that steps up, throws deep middle, picked off

497
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: Peters and got that one. In this day and age,

498
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: you want to have that shut down corner, and if

499
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: Patrick gave you that for so long, you'd love to

500
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: be able to replace that if you can find one

501
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: of those guys. I know you have Byron already a

502
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: young guy there, but you'd like to find a shutdown

503
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: corner if you can. It's the one need I think

504
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: the Cardinals still have. There are needs and there are

505
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: wants going into every NFL draft. Steve Kime and the

506
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: Cardinal's front office has done a heck of a job

507
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: trying to live ate those urgent, dire needs. And you

508
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: don't want it to be a tell and be so

509
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: obvious going into any draft. And would that being the

510
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 1: case at least to me. Paul Calves here, Ron Wolfley,

511
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: Special guest Dave Pash. It is our predraft edition of

512
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage, presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert. Well,

513
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: if you can agree or disagree, if you look at

514
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: all the position groups, there's one that stands out. You

515
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: still need another corner opposite Malcolm Butler because to me,

516
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: you can't count on Robert Alfred, you just can. He

517
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: hasn't had a healthy season since twenty seventeen. Yeah, you're

518
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: right about that, Polly, there's no doubt. I think cornerback

519
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: is the number one need for the Arizona Cardinals coming

520
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: into this draft. And again the whole need conversation. Listen,

521
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: you've got tiers basically, and you're sitting there. Let's say

522
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: hypothetically the Cardinals they sit at number sixteen, right there,

523
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: there's going to be a corner on that tier. Maybe

524
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a wide receiver on that tier. There's

525
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: gonna be an offensive lineman on that tier. I think

526
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: that's when you're going to start looking for. Okay, what

527
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: is an area of need that we have. We all

528
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: know you're not going to draft a quarterback. We all

529
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: know that, right because it's not obviously not an area

530
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: of need for the Arizona Cardinals. So to me, I'm

531
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: looking at corner I think that is their primary need,

532
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: and I think there's a possibility that Caleb Farley might

533
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: actually be there at sixteen and day before you go,

534
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: here's the GM Steve kyme, when he was asked about

535
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: the cornerback position in this year's draft, it's a deep

536
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: corner draft. Pick your poison. You know, these guys are

537
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: all a little different. There are guys that can play

538
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: inside and outside in this draft, some guys that can

539
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: only play outside with their length and their movement skills.

540
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: So I really feel good about about that position. It's amazing, Dave.

541
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Speaker 1: When you named all the top receivers, they're all from

542
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: the SEC, and you could add Terrence Marshall, Elijah Moore.

543
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 1: I mean, the top six arguably are all from the SEC. Well,

544
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: the two top corners are from the SEC. So if

545
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: you want to get a real gauge. And if these

546
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: guys can play, they obviously want to go up against

547
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: some fierce competition. And Patrick Curtin and JC Horn. So

548
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: I got two things here, guys, gaus listen to your conversation.

549
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: First of all, we need to know what do the

550
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: Cardinals think of Byron Murphy. Do they view him as

551
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: still a potential number one quarterback where they drafted him,

552
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: you would think that, I mean, they were expecting him

553
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: eventually to emerge as a number one shut down corner.

554
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: He hasn't yet, But do they think that he can?

555
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: And if they do, then maybe they don't go in

556
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,719
Speaker 1: that direction, or if they go in that direction, they

557
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: do it later in the draft. I look at corner

558
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: in this draft the way I look at receiver. If

559
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: Patrick Curtin and JC Horne are still around ten eleven

560
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: somewhere in there, do I look to try to move

561
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: up because I don't think either guy's going to be

562
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: there at sixteen. And if both guys are gone, just

563
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: like if those other three guys are gone, at wide receiver,

564
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to a different position. I'm not touching Caleb Farley.

565
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm not touching him. There's too many injury questions. I

566
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: think he's gonna slip and the other players Greg Newsome,

567
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: Asante Samuel, I think you can get those guys a

568
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: little bit later. So I'm going elsewhere. Maybe even at

569
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: that point you go best player and you say you

570
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: know what you know, because I still think guys. Am

571
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: I wrong at that Outside of quarterback, you could say

572
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: that there's a need everywhere, and I'm talking about a

573
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: team that was on the cusp of the playoffs. Sure

574
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: you have a need an inside linebacker. Still, you've a

575
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: needed outside linebacker. You haven't need a safety. You have

576
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, but there's somebody else that you need eventually

577
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: to pair with him. You have Isaiah Simmons, who you're

578
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: high on, but at some point you need to have

579
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: another player to pair an inside linebacker that you think

580
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: can be a game changer. So I'm looking at everything,

581
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: but for again, if those guys are gone, for me,

582
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: I just I'm not touching Farley at sixteen. The only

583
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: thing I would say to you, David is there are

584
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: needs and then there are needs, all right, you know,

585
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: And that I think is what we're talking about right here. Yeah,

586
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: You've got needs everywhere for the most part, I think

587
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: Steve Kim has done a great job going out and

588
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: addressing those needs in free agency. That's what free agency

589
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: I think he's using it for is going into the draft.

590
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: You don't have this need that suddenly makes you draft

591
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: somebody or reach for somebody when you shouldn't be doing that.

592
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: So I think he wants to cover all his bases

593
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: going into the draft. I think he's done a good

594
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: job of that. Frankly, that's just me I do and

595
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: that's why I started this conversation. Corner is the only

596
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: area where it looks like there's an obvious need, and Wolf,

597
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: could I put it this way, there are needs starting

598
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: next year. Today's point. You know at pass rusher Chandler

599
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: Jones in the last year of his deal. You know

600
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden and JJ Watt thirty plus years of age.

601
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: Inside linebacker Jordan Hicks in the last year of his contract.

602
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: We get it offensive line to one year deals in there, guys.

603
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: Deals are expiring, Okay, but then there are needs this year,

604
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: and that one need, at least to me, is corner.

605
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: And I'm with you, Dave. I think the underreported speculation,

606
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: if you will, is if that guy is on the

607
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: board at eight or nine, if Sir tanner Horn is

608
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: on the board eight to nine, and most figure they

609
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: will be after the run on quarterbacks. If you want

610
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: to get in front of Dallas at number ten, there

611
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: might be a trade coming. Or if Dallas goes corner

612
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: and there's one leftover at number eleven, I could see

613
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: that Dave going after because I agree with you. If

614
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: you're at sixteen, those two guys are gone yet that point,

615
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: you trade down and still can get that next tier

616
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: down cornerback. And then I think the other thing is

617
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: interesting because I'm with you, Paulia. I think you're going

618
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: to have probably one defensive player going to top ten,

619
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: and it might be at number ten. So do you

620
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: look at the teams in front of you and say, okay,

621
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: do they need a corner No, let's go get one

622
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: of those guys. Or do you say, you know what,

623
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons is still there, he might drop. Don't sleep

624
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: on Zaven Collins. Yes. Also, I think that the Cardinals

625
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: have a need to me an inside linebacker. Jordan Hicks

626
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: to me is not the guy, and you drafted Isaiah Simmons.

627
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: But you know at some point again, your middle of

628
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: your defense has to be. You could look and say, yeah,

629
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: it's receivers outside, but I mean, guy, you need linebackers

630
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: that can cover. You need linebackers that can tackle, You

631
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: need linebackers that can rush the passer. Isaiah Simmons, is

632
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: that Zaven Collins is at Michael Parsons is a freak Again,

633
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: I dont think you'll be gone, But hey, Zaven Collins

634
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: at six five, two hundred sixty pounds, I mean, is

635
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: he really a Mike linebacker at two six six five, Yes, yes,

636
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: but he if he didn't play at Tulsa, the guy

637
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: probably goes at siven or eight. Well, okay, so there's

638
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: a guy that you could trade back, Paulie, you could

639
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Speaker 1: trade back Collects. I wouldn't mess around. I wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: If he's there, I think I'm looking seriously at taking him.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't take the risk of trading back. And all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden he's gone. A lot of people think

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Speaker 1: that twenty five to thirty was where he was originally

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Speaker 1: going to go, but he is climbing up draft boards.

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Speaker 1: If you read the latest stuff, and if it's a

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Speaker 1: copycat league and we know it is, look what Tampa

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Speaker 1: just did. They just wrote Devin White and Lavonte David

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Speaker 1: and we know back in the days Luke Keikley and

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Speaker 1: Thomas Davis. Fred Warner is in your division. Bobby Wagner's

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Speaker 1: in your division. I could see it. You know, we'll

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Speaker 1: see if that guy is there, that might be the

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Speaker 1: position that we're not talking about. We continue with our

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Speaker 1: pre draft edition of the Big Red Rage, presented by

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Speaker 1: Santan Ford in Gilbert. Isaiah Simmons is our guy. Here

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Speaker 1: we go, Isaiah, this is coach Kingsman. Congratulations, you're a

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Speaker 1: hell of a player and we're looking forward to putting

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Speaker 1: you on the field right away. We're gonna make I

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Speaker 1: was amazed that Isaiah Simmons got passed. Caroline too. My

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Speaker 1: dreams were becoming a reality. Do you watch him cover

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Speaker 1: ground on a football foot, you watch him tackle, you

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Speaker 1: watch them pick up balls? Its skill set is out

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Speaker 1: of this world. I'm gonna take a shot on the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: I just like it. Talent on talent and a lot

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Speaker 1: of attitude come in in the season. There we go.

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Speaker 1: That was an excited and exuberant Steve Guime on Draft

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Speaker 1: Thursday night. Paul calvic Ron, Wolfley and the Voice of

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals Day a year in the Big Red Rage

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Speaker 1: presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert, So, gentlemen, there was

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Speaker 1: a Bucky Brooks mock draft that came out and I

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Speaker 1: respected NFL draft analysts NFL dot Com, and at number

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Speaker 1: sixteen he had the Cardinals going running back and Najie Harris. Now, Dave,

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Speaker 1: you've called several of his games at Alabama. Your thoughts

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Speaker 1: when you saw that. I don't think the Cardinals would

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Speaker 1: take him at sixteen. I think he's I think he's

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Speaker 1: going to be a really good NFL player. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's a little high to take a running back, especially

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Speaker 1: because I think there are other needs of the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: have guys I like Chase Edmonds, I do, and I

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Speaker 1: think James Conner gives them exactly what they needed, someone

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Speaker 1: who compliments him. And I'm not sure about some of

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Speaker 1: the younger running backs. We didn't get to see them

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Speaker 1: last year because we didn't have a training camp, we

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Speaker 1: didn't have preseason games. Who knows about some of these

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Speaker 1: young guys. I've always felt like, and Chase Edmonds was

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Speaker 1: a mid round pick, right, You can find guys at

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Speaker 1: that position unless they're home run. I mean, Todd Gurley

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Speaker 1: was a top ten pick and he was a home

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Speaker 1: run for a while. And you know, now he's older

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Speaker 1: and he's had injuries and he's on the downside. But

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Speaker 1: when I'm looking at number sixteen, I want a player

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Speaker 1: that I think is going to be there for ten years,

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Speaker 1: twelve years, and running backs just don't last that long.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's why I'm not taking Naji Harris

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Speaker 1: at sixteen. Yeah, the problem with Todd Gurley was giving

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Speaker 1: him the massive second contract and then a year later

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Speaker 1: they had to pull the plug, and yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: a disaster for the Rams. And given the second contract.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, well, because you remember we had Rashad Johnson

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Speaker 1: recently on the big Red rage here and he is

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Speaker 1: the former Cardinals safety who is now part of the

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Speaker 1: broadcast team and a radio analyst for BAMA. So he

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Speaker 1: has a lot of insight into Naji Harris. And here

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Speaker 1: was his comparison with Derreck Henry. Nagie Harris has the

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Speaker 1: power that Derrick Henry has in a different form. Derek

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Speaker 1: Long speech faster, I think than Naji, but I think

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Speaker 1: short area quickness in terms of making defenders miss. Naji's

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Speaker 1: very special at that man tremendous spin move and I

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Speaker 1: actually think he's a better route runner in one on

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Speaker 1: one matchup out of the backfield. So I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you want a guy that you know thirteen personnel bruise

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Speaker 1: you and can do that, you know there's gonna weigh

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Speaker 1: on you in four quarters. But now he's a guy

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Speaker 1: that's gonna weigh on you in four quarters in a

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Speaker 1: different way because he can wear you out in the

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Speaker 1: run games but also on third down. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: tremendous out of the backfield. When you talk about Naji Harris, guys,

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Speaker 1: you have to talk about who else could possibly be

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Speaker 1: there at sixteen? Right? Who else could be there at sixteen?

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Speaker 1: I honestly I'm gonna draft a running back in the

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Speaker 1: first round if he's Earl Campbell. Okay, that and that

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Speaker 1: is going to be my standard. I'm gonna draft him

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Speaker 1: in the first round if I think he's an absolute freak.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Naji Harris is that? Would you call

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Speaker 1: him that now? Because somebody he's close though, you know, Paul,

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Speaker 1: I mean he he's really really close. He's a man

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Speaker 1: who's six one, two hundred and thirty two pounds with

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Speaker 1: great athleticism and a guy that will truck you from

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Speaker 1: time to time. A guy that is very underrated in

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Speaker 1: terms of being able to catch the ball and come

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Speaker 1: out of the backfield. A guy that is a true

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Speaker 1: run down running back first and ten second and one

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Speaker 1: to six. When you think about the goals Steve Kim

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Speaker 1: said he had this offseason, what were they, guys? You know,

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Speaker 1: Number one, get more physical. Number two leadership, which is

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Speaker 1: culture to me in that locker room, bring that in.

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Speaker 1: Those were his two goals right there. I think Naji

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Speaker 1: Harris checks both of those boxes. But where did he

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Speaker 1: get picked? Right here? Excuse me? Where did Derrick Henry

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Speaker 1: get picked second round? Exactly? So that's another reason why

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Speaker 1: I agree that Naji Harris all those things he just said. Wolf. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree with Rashant, but I'm just not taking up

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Speaker 1: at sixteen. You know what, guys, that would be like,

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Speaker 1: oh man, sixteen, that's a little height. It t yes,

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Speaker 1: because I love what it says about the direction of

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Speaker 1: this offense going forward. We're gonna blend the old and

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Speaker 1: the new and become more physical. I would love that.

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Speaker 1: I get it. James Connor's on a one year deal,

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Speaker 1: but he's only twenty six and he is that big back,

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Speaker 1: and I'm with Dave Chase Edmonds intrigue. Now, the one

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Speaker 1: game they gave him twenty plus carries a year ago

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Speaker 1: against the Dolphins didn't go so well. He average less

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Speaker 1: than three yards of carry, so I'm not sure he's

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Speaker 1: in every down back Chase Edmonds. But I do like

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Speaker 1: the pairing of the James Connor and Chase Edmonds. We'll

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Speaker 1: see it's too high for me in round one, but

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Speaker 1: you know what, everybody gets a pick when we come back.

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Speaker 1: Perdiction time at the big Red Range presented by Santan

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Speaker 1: four in Gilbert. I don't know where Jimmy g was

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Speaker 1: throwing that fall. I don't know either, I can't guarantee

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Speaker 1: that anybody in the world will be alive Sunday, so

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Speaker 1: I can't guarantee who will be on our roster on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: So that goes for all of us. Smoke him if

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Speaker 1: you got him, says Kyle Shanahan. Apparently there's a chance

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Speaker 1: we might all be wiped out like the dinosaurs by Sunday.

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Speaker 1: So there you go. That was his way of deflecting

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Speaker 1: the question, right there, Well done, Kyle. Okay, there you go.

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Speaker 1: So we're officially ready for the NFL Draft, are we not.

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Speaker 1: I think that was the last hurdle right there. It's

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Speaker 1: become silly season time. And here on the Big Red Rage,

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Speaker 1: presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert Yours truly, Paul kelvc

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Speaker 1: ron Wilfully, the voice of the Cardinals Day Pash our

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Speaker 1: special guest around the horn, we go. Dave is our guest.

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Speaker 1: You can go first. We need a prediction. Where do

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Speaker 1: you think the Cardinals going round one, number sixteen overall?

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Speaker 1: Maybe they trade down, maybe they trade up. But we

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Speaker 1: want a draft position and a name. So if you

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Speaker 1: stay at sixteen and you don't move up or move down,

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Speaker 1: I think all the players that you really covet are

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Speaker 1: going to be gone. But I do think it's possible

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Speaker 1: one of two players, one offense and one defense that

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Speaker 1: a lot of teams and I'm assuming the Cardinals have

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Speaker 1: these guys rated high as well, are going to drop.

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Speaker 1: One is Elijah Vera Tucker from USC, an offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: who can play four positions, and the Cardinals need an

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman who can come start right away. The other

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Speaker 1: guy is Zaven Collins from Tulsa, who is an absolute

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Speaker 1: freak who because he went to Tulsa, nobody's talking about,

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Speaker 1: but he was the player of the year defensively in

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Speaker 1: college football ahead of all those guys are in the

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Speaker 1: SEC that we talked about, and I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of teams have a very high grade on him and

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Speaker 1: they're hoping that he slides. I wouldn't take a chance

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Speaker 1: if one of those two guys are there, I don't

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Speaker 1: trade down. I take Fia Tucker or I take Zaven Collins,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's what the Cardinals are going to do. Rob, Well,

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Speaker 1: you aren't killing me, David. I'm gonna just showed men

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Speaker 1: trade here, our producer. I just showed him number sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Elijah Vera Tucker. That's who I would take if he

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Speaker 1: is there at number sixteen, and I think there's a

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Speaker 1: real possibility he's gonna be there at number sixteen. If

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna trade down, I'm gonna trade down to twenty one,

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Speaker 1: twenty three, somewhere in that range. And I would draft

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Speaker 1: Zaven Collins. I know that he's climbing draft boards, but

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Speaker 1: I would I would take a runner on him and

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Speaker 1: hope that we got our third and fourth round pick back. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's no way both are you all right? So I'm

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Speaker 1: not going Elijah Vera Tucker. I think that Micah Parsons,

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Speaker 1: because of the character concerns, will slide, and I agree

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Speaker 1: with you, Dave. I think the two corners are gonna

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Speaker 1: be gone. All three receivers are gonna be gone. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be tempting to trade down, get a pick and

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Speaker 1: then also take the next level cornerback, whether it's Newsome,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a Sante Samuel Junior, maybe Kay Barley and

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Speaker 1: hope for the best. Although this injury record just terrifies me.

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Speaker 1: But I think Micah Parsons slides and the Cardinals get

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Speaker 1: their inside linebacker pairing Isaiah Simmons and Parsons for the

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Speaker 1: next near decade. That's my thought on that one, and

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Speaker 1: we'll see as the Cardinals try and match wits in

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Speaker 1: the NFC West. Otherwise, as I said earlier, guys, maybe

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Speaker 1: they do trade up. It's the one thing we haven't

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Speaker 1: heard about, and a lot of times is what we

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Speaker 1: haven't heard that ends up being the obvious move and

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Speaker 1: going up and maybe making a deal in that regard

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Speaker 1: for the corner that they need so desperately to replaced.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson. Be so awesome to see Zavian Collins and

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons on the field at the same time. I'm

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Speaker 1: good with that. Would you be all right with that, David?

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Speaker 1: I'm good that. A special thanks, Dave, thank you for

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Speaker 1: the time. We appreciate it. I'll see you Thursday night

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Speaker 1: for our draft coverage. Ron Wolf, Paul Calve you see.

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