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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ Bucky together.

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Speaker 1: Buck.

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Speaker 2: Have you had a chance to rest and kind of

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Speaker 2: recover a little bit? The draft is a little bit

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Speaker 2: in the rearview mirror now if you had any time

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Speaker 1: A little bit. Okay, So DJ, I am not one

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Speaker 1: to have the conversation. Because the weekend I didn't know,

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Speaker 1: but the Padres and the Dodgers I am. And so

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Speaker 1: it was brought to my attention on Friday after the

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Speaker 1: Padres won, did they decided to do the crying Curse

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Speaker 1: but I was like, really, is this what we're doing?

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Speaker 1: So on Saturday on my radio show, we didn't have

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Speaker 1: And then I noticed they didn't win another game the residency.

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Speaker 2: So a couple of things here, a couple I'm glad

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Speaker 2: you brought this up. Is the elephant in the room

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Speaker 2: in our relationship. So the uh that that meme came

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Speaker 2: So that's where that that's where the meme came from.

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Speaker 2: The second part of that is, I'm amazed at the

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Speaker 2: at how offended the classy Dodger fans of it completely.

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Speaker 2: They threw they literally threw an inflatable steroid bottle onto

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, spare me, spare me the uh

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Speaker 1: And then the next thing was the next buck how I.

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Speaker 2: Went, I went to the second game in the series.

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Speaker 2: Explain this to me. This is why baseball is so

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Speaker 2: infuriating to me. In the last in the last two games,

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Speaker 1: So because it's snuck upon me. And then it was

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Speaker 1: I went to we're just gonna park me in right

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Speaker 1: in baseball, in little league, you just put anybody. That's

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Speaker 2: He plays right field. So best player in Padre history,

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Speaker 2: You gotta get this little league mentality out of your head,

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Speaker 1: biggest Anthony Richardson fan in terms of the first round,

433
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Speaker 1: but that's in the past. Now he's there. But DJ

434
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 1: when you see him, man, he throws it like a

435
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 1: different dude now is different. They talk about him. The

436
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 1: other thing that I will say his his early appearances

437
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 1: in press conference, he said all the right stuff, and

438
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,160
Speaker 1: I know when you talk to people that talked about

439
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 1: the meetings that, uh, look, he was very impressive. As

440
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 1: from a football character standpoint, him and Josh Downs throwing

441
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 1: balls in the parking lot before their first practice says

442
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Speaker 1: a lot. If he's the kind of worker that is required,

443
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 1: like a Jalen Hurts kind of worker, yeah this could

444
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,679
Speaker 1: work out. But it's all on him and how much

445
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 1: he's going to put in. But I will say he's

446
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: off to a good start when you see the clips

447
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 1: and how he's throwing it, and how the connection that

448
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,919
Speaker 1: he has with some of those guys who knows they

449
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 1: might work after it.

450
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we said that, you know, during the whole

451
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Speaker 2: run up to the draft. The whole thing with him

452
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 2: is we don't dispute the talent. Now it comes down

453
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 2: to if you look at the guys with the talent

454
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Speaker 2: and you start throwing in the Jalen Hurts, the Mahomes

455
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 2: and Josh Allen's the guys who have then developed further

456
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,199
Speaker 2: along at the NFL level, it's because they had the

457
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 2: combination of the work ethic and the intelligence. We've heard

458
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 2: good things about Anthony Richardson from both those both those

459
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 2: areas of his game, but you don't know, You don't

460
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 2: know until you know, Like you got to get him

461
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 2: out there and see how that comes along, and the

462
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 2: work ethic and the intelligence has a chance to shine

463
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 2: if he has those two things like those other guys do.

464
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, watch out. And then it becomes all

465
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Speaker 1: those things Giannie and Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Lenarn and

466
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Speaker 1: how all those guys have been able to dominate the

467
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Speaker 1: NBA level.

468
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Speaker 2: Yeah, think about this and we're going to take a

469
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Speaker 2: break here in second and we'll get this other topic.

470
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Speaker 2: But this draft, when you think about it, when we

471
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Speaker 2: look back on it, Buck, this draft featured the most

472
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Speaker 2: unassuming quarterback maybe in first round history, in Bryce Young, undersize, narrow,

473
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 2: you know, but instincts, intelligence, off the charts with all

474
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 2: that stuff, Versus maybe the most physically gifted and talented

475
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Speaker 2: quarterback we've ever seen in the first round. One goes one,

476
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Speaker 2: one goes four. I mean, you couldn't get any more

477
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 2: polar opposite than these two guys. It's gonna be fascinating

478
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Speaker 2: to see how they develop, it is.

479
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Speaker 1: And it'd be another great study for us when it

480
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Speaker 1: comes to quarterbacks, like what we're really looking for, because man,

481
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Speaker 1: if Anthony richeson Pops you talk upsetting the Apple court

482
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Speaker 1: at the Quarterbackquisition, I mean, it's bad, man. All these

483
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: things are great, So it'd be great to watch, be

484
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Speaker 1: great to watch them over the course of the preseason

485
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Speaker 1: and in the regular season, no doubt.

486
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Speaker 2: All right, take a quick break, we'll come back and

487
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Speaker 2: we'll jump into some of these position groups that are

488
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: absolutely stacked by division. We'll do that right after this,

489
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 2: all right, Buck, So Here's what I did. I just

490
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: went through division by division and I tried to find

491
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Speaker 2: one position group that just jumped out in terms of

492
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Speaker 2: adding strength to strength. And I figure we'll start here

493
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Speaker 2: on the AFC. I just want to get your thoughts

494
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: on kind of what these groups look like and why

495
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: it makes sense with what they did. So if we

496
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Speaker 2: start in the AFC East, I gave consideration to a couple.

497
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, kin Kid joining Knox is interesting.

498
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: You know, pairing there the tight end room in Buffalo.

499
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: You think about Miami and they're running back room just

500
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 2: with the sheer speed they have with Moster, Jeff Wilson

501
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: and now a Chane jumping in the mix, like that's

502
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: an intriguing one. I ended up going with the Jets

503
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: with their edge rushers just because and you touched on

504
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: this and your piece. But when you have Will McDonald,

505
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 2: John Franklin Myers, Jermaine Johnson, you've got Bryce Huff, You've

506
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: got Carl Lawson, you've got Clemens who did some good

507
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: things like that, that's six edge rushers that they've got.

508
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 2: That's an alpha, a bravo. And what do they call

509
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 2: the Charlie I guess is what yeah, I mean they've

510
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 2: got three full groups they can roll through there.

511
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: Now, you know DJ Like, So it's always funny, right

512
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: because we always get asked to grade drafts and do

513
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: all this other stuff. And it's not until one you

514
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: come out of it and you begin to listen to

515
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: the pressers where you hear the coaches in the gym

516
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: expressed the plant, here's what the plan is for McDonald,

517
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: and so to hear Joe d and here Robert Salad

518
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Speaker 1: talk about why Will McDonald was the pick and how

519
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: they were saying, man, we felt like he was the

520
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: best pastorsh in the draft in terms of his explosiveness

521
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: and what he brought to the table and how we

522
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: will bring him into the rotation, like, yeah, he needs

523
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: to be better at first and second down. But this

524
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: was about waves, waves of rushers. This also to me

525
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: when it comes to the Jets, we talk about team building. Well,

526
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: when you get Aaron Rodgers and you're looking at it

527
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: from an optimistic standpoint, you think, well, we're gonna score

528
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Speaker 1: a ton of points. We're gonna score points, We're gonna

529
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Speaker 1: make people chase points. So yeah, people they can say

530
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna run the ball. That's it, but you can't

531
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Speaker 1: run at us when you're down fourteen points. So what

532
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: we're going to do is now we're gonna load up

533
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: on pass rushers like the Eagles were able to do,

534
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: and we're going to hunt when it's obvious passing downs.

535
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Speaker 1: And so I love it from that standpoint. And if

536
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Speaker 1: the offense clicks like it could click with Aaron Rodgers

537
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: and the young wide receivers that they have, well now

538
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: we'll look back and they'll say, Man, the Jets Regenius

539
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: to take another pass rusher who has the ability to

540
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: just heat them up, because remember they don't want to blitz,

541
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Speaker 1: they want to rush with four and so to rush

542
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: you with four, man, you got to have a lot

543
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: of bodies that are coming every other down to continue

544
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: to keep that pass rush pace at a high level.

545
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: So it could work. But you're right, they are loaded.

546
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: They're loaded outside at the edge rusher spots.

547
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Speaker 2: And one of the things you saw with him, which

548
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: we saw with the Georgia guys. We say it with

549
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: the Georgia guys last couple of years. But scheme wise,

550
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 2: you you would know this better than I would. But

551
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: it's curious to me, like how many these college schemes

552
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 2: and they play with like a four eye or you've

553
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: got an undersized edge rusher, but he's playing on the

554
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 2: inside shoulder of the tackle like and I think Sally

555
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: even said it, like hey when he made the draft

556
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: call and say, hey man, we'll get you out of

557
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: that four the we're gonna loosen you up, get you

558
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: out in that wide nine and cut you loose. So

559
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: that to me, like we talked about Trayvon Walker, was

560
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 2: the same thing, all those tidal linements like that. When

561
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: they let him get out there, you saw some good stuff.

562
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: You just get a chance to do it all that much.

563
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So just so so everyone understands the reason why

564
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: they're putting guys in four eyes. Like Iowa State was

565
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: a really like a three three three team, like a

566
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Speaker 1: three three five team. They played like a three safety

567
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: look and they would put their defensive ends on the

568
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: inside eyes of the offensive tackles. And the reason why

569
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: is because they want the ball to bounce to the

570
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: sideline and then they'll chase it down with their speed.

571
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Speaker 1: And so you have a guy like Will McDonald, which

572
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: is great, and that that he's pinching inside, he's diving

573
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Speaker 1: down inside. You're making it run the hump, and you're saying,

574
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Speaker 1: we got all these little guys on the field to

575
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Speaker 1: chase it down. Pro game. Man, you line up in that,

576
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna run it down. I mean they're gonna absolutely

577
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: literate you.

578
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah there, and so it outside every step and oh man, so.

579
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Speaker 1: It's going to require McDonald to make a position change

580
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: and put him in a wide nine. But you see, athletically,

581
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: at two hundred and thirty eight pounds, this guy's first

582
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: step quickness has burst his motor. He is going to

583
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: be a problem for those tackles on those obvious passing

584
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: downs where they're trying to kick it and get vertical,

585
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have a chance. And when you have

586
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: him and Jermaine Johnson and Carl Lawson and all these

587
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: other guys just coming at you down after down after down, Man,

588
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: look at the relentlessness from the pass rush unit. This

589
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: is gonna wear you out. Yeah.

590
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 2: I think about him and Huff as two guys that

591
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: can work as closers that get twenty snaps. Just give

592
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: him twenty snaps. They have elite, elite get off. Huff

593
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: is always up there in like the top five in

594
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: terms of get off when we look at those numbers

595
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: every year. And one of the things to think about.

596
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: You get in that wide nine and you get elite

597
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: get off. You know what that does? That expands everything

598
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: for Quinn Williams. And now all of a sudden, Quinn Williams,

599
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: there's no neighbors in there anymore. Man, He's got a

600
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: room to operate.

601
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: Because that tackle knows I gotta get gone out. If

602
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't get if I don't if I don't get out,

603
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: it's a problem. And so now you are right, you're

604
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: creating one on one for Quinn Williams to be able

605
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: to operate two way goals on a helpless guard. Because

606
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: we've said this, most teams have an inferior player playing inside.

607
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: And if they're able to give Quentin Williams the freedom

608
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: to operate on the fish, good luck, long day, Long day,

609
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: NodeB because he's gonna take a lot of shot.

610
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: It's a it's an interesting one.

611
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: All right.

612
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: Let's get to Cincinnati here. I want to get to

613
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: them in the in the North. They were the team

614
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: I came up with. And just looking at the white outs.

615
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: When you have Jamar Chase, you have Higgins, You've got Boyd.

616
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: And they added two guys in this draft, with Charlie Jones,

617
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: who we talked a lot about with his speed, and

618
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: then Yo Seebosh, the white out from from Princeton who

619
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: can really run. Is a track background, uh, big athlete.

620
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Speaker 2: But I thought, and you might even mention this on

621
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: the previous episode, but you know, Higgins is gonna get paid.

622
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: They're not gonna let Higgins go. They've got Jamark Chase.

623
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Speaker 2: They're gonna pay Chase. The odd man out is probably

624
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: gonna be Boyd. He's a good football player. But they

625
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: need one of those two guys to step into the mix.

626
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: But now I think Man's that's two young guys to

627
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: add to a really talented trio. They already have.

628
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: Two young guys that can step in and play, and

629
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Speaker 1: Charlie Jones's got it. I'm fascinated by are you watching

630
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: playing for the dude man he has? But he's even

631
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: different than what they have because Tyler Boyd is a

632
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: true chain mover, possession guy. Charlie Jones has juice, his beat,

633
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: beat his right now. He has speed and quickness and

634
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: I can just see where you could clear his own

635
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: with him and have t Higgins or Jamar Chase running

636
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: up underneath. And even though Higgins has the vertical thread

637
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: on the outside, it's different when you have a slot

638
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: guy that can kind of take the top off the defense.

639
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: Jones's speed and stuff is spectacularly and I would give

640
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Beingles credit. I think they do a really

641
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: good job of drafting and drafting with an eye towards

642
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: the future. They're one year ahead of those Think about

643
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: last year when it takes Dax Hill and then they

644
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: lose both of the safeties Jesse Bass and von Belle

645
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: will who slides in like they do a really good

646
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: job of identifying here's where we could be weak next year.

647
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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and get a player in now so

648
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Speaker 1: we can groom them, but when he has to take

649
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: a bigger role in her two So that to me

650
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: is a smart team building is what you should do.

651
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: And they do, Tobin, and that that that staff has

652
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: done a really good.

653
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Speaker 2: Job of putting it together. Yeah, No, I'm with you.

654
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: I think it's it's really a look towards the future. There.

655
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: Let's keep it going through the AFC Tennessee in their

656
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: running back room. You've already got Henry, You've got Haskins,

657
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: who's a physical runner. Like those guys pair off each other,

658
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: you know, quite well. And then ta J Spears throw

659
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: him into the mix to that running back group. I

660
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: think he's an unbelievable player. We talked about it. I

661
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: do mention it my name. We don't ever want to,

662
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: you know, see anybody dropping the draft. But there was

663
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: a lot of talk and talking to teams. He could

664
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Speaker 2: slip a little bit because of a knee, and then

665
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: you know, he still went in a pretty good spot.

666
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Speaker 2: I think we've gone a little bit higher if he

667
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: had been cleaned metic through the whole process. But you

668
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: cannot debate the fact of his skill set and what

669
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: he brings to the table. So when you add Taj

670
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: Spears to a running back group that already has you know,

671
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: maybe the well he has been the most productive runner

672
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: in the league and Derrick Henry over several years now

673
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: in Hassan Haskins. I think that's an interesting position group.

674
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: They've a mass there.

675
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a very interesting position. I think it's one

676
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: that you want to continue to work on. You want

677
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: to continue to build that stuff up, and so to me,

678
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: it's super smart for them to take that approach. It's

679
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: super smart for them to do exactly what they've done,

680
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: and why wouldn't you want to do it? I just man,

681
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: I just love how like certain teams know their identity

682
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: and know who they are. And so when I think

683
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: about the depth that you have in a big back,

684
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: then another back that can come in and play physically.

685
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: And then Taji E. Spiarce, who to me is in

686
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: every down back. You know, I know people worry about

687
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: the considerable when you watch him play. To me, he's

688
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: a three down back and he has a little juice

689
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: that those other guys don't. It's gonna be a problem

690
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: when the Tennesseeans commit to running the ball like like

691
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: they can and like they have, It's gonna be a

692
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Speaker 1: challenge dealing.

693
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Speaker 2: With them, no doubt. All right, let's get to the West.

694
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Speaker 2: There was actually three teams I'm gonna mention, and then

695
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: we'll circle in. We'll settle in on one, but the

696
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: receiving cores of Denver and the Chargers. So Denver was

697
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: Sutton Patrick, Judy Callaway who has experience in this offense

698
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: in New Orleans, kJ Hamler, and then then they bring

699
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: in Mims, who is a player that we both liked

700
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: coming out of Oklahoma's a good player. Handler's gonna end

701
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: up getting traded. I would I bet you money that

702
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: he's you know, I'm guessing he'll probably be gone here

703
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: by the time we get to the regular season. He'll

704
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: be the odd man out. But that's a loaded position group.

705
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: Then the Chargers they add Johnston from TCU to a

706
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: group that includes Mike Williams, keenan All, and Josh Palmer

707
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: and Jalen Giton. So those are two teams with stacked

708
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: receiver rooms. But the one I'm gonna settle on here

709
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: that I'm curious about because of the youth. When you

710
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: have the Kansas City Chiefs, who already had Joshua Williams,

711
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: Jalen Wattson, Sneak McDuffie, they draft Jamari Connor, who can

712
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: play in that nickel. He's literally gonna back up McDuffie

713
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: as a nickel. Like all these guys are first couple

714
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: of year players, Buck Like, I don't know if there's

715
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: a better young position group in the NFL than what

716
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: Brett Beach has been able to amass in their secondary

717
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: over two year period of time.

718
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Speaker 1: Yeah, DJ, I don't know, And here's the thing. I

719
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw some of the stuff that

720
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: came out where b Veach sees Kadarius Tony as a

721
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: number one receiver and for them to pick him up

722
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: for a third rounder, for them to say, you know,

723
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: here's the thing, and I like to transparency. He was like,

724
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: just because we haven't seen him play and do the

725
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: vertical stuff and do that, maybe he hasn't played with

726
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: a quarterback that's like our quarterback that will allow him

727
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: to expand his game. And so we've seen him do

728
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: the gadget stuff, the catch him run stuff, the jet sweeps,

729
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: the reverses and all that. Maybe there's more meat on

730
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: the bone when it comes to how he can play.

731
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: And so in our offense with our quarterback, we're gonna

732
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: give him every opportunity. And I wouldn't bet against him

733
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: because considering what they were able to do with Tyreek Hill,

734
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: and Tyreek Hill is a freaking talent. But remember they

735
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: took him in the fifth round. And I don't think

736
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: any about it. We can talk about the characters stuff

737
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. I don't know if anyone when he was

738
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: getting drafted thought that he would be a number one

739
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: wide receiver and so give the Chiefs credit for the

740
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: development and their ability to have an imagination for what

741
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: he can do. Maybe Kadarius Tony plays that number one,

742
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: and all these other guys fell into these roles that

743
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest, they have a ton of

744
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: playmakers on the thing. How do they put it together?

745
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: But it's a very deep and talented group. Now it's

746
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: just a matter of what roles and responsibilities do you

747
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: give every player so they can be at their best

748
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: when it comes to their talent.

749
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Speaker 2: That's one of the things that's a great assignment for us.

750
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: We can do it on a podcast going forward, would

751
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: be to kind of rank some of these position groups

752
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 2: by division. Like if you just looked at the pass

753
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: catchers in the AFC West, like how it just goes

754
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: one before we'll save We'll put a pin in that

755
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 2: because that's got We'll do that in the future podcast.

756
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: But that's a fun conversation. Let's get over to the NFC.

757
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: A couple in the in the East I thought were fascinating.

758
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: When you look at the Dallas linebacker group, I thought

759
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: that was kind of underrated. When you have Lve Demone Clark,

760
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: Gabriel Cox and then Overshown goes into the mix, all big,

761
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: long kind of body types. Interesting how they kind of

762
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: have collected a bunch of these different guys that can

763
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: all run, they're all big, they're all long. I thought

764
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: that was an interesting group. I ended up going with

765
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 2: Philly though, in their defensive tackles, not the edge rushers.

766
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: We talk a lot about the edge rushers, and they've

767
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: got a good group there. Add Nolan Smith into that mix.

768
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: But when you've got DT's it's hard to find talented dts.

769
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: And when you've got Fletcher Cox, Jordan Davis, Milton Williams,

770
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: who look go look up his workout numbers coming out,

771
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 2: he's a very talented player. Now you drop Jalen Carter

772
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: into that mix, I don't know there is a better

773
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: rotation of defensive tackles in the league.

774
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: No. I mean, let's be honest. They added the best

775
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: defensive prospect in the draft in Jalen Garder. We can

776
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: talk about the concerns about the character on and off

777
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: the field, but when you turn on the tape and

778
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: you watch them play, there are not many guys on

779
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: earth that can walk around and do the stuff that

780
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: he does on the football field. So now you put

781
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: him alongside Fletcher Cox. You talked about Milton Woodams, you've

782
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: seen some of the other guys that are in their rotation.

783
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: It's a problem to deal with them. And one of

784
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: the reasons why the Eggs were so successful defensively last

785
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: year is what Javon Hartgraves gave them on the inside. Well,

786
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: now we're talking about a better prospect than Javon Hardway.

787
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: He's not a better player yet, but he's a better

788
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: prospect than Javon hart Grays was coming out. And so

789
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: you put these guys together, it can be a nightmare

790
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: and a handful. And we said the best way to

791
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: pressure quarterbacks is right up the gut. Because they feel

792
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: that pressure immediately, they now have the ability to not

793
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: only stop the run on early now, but they can

794
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: create chaos in the pocket because they have dominant guys

795
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: on the interior.

796
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: No doubt, it is a loaded group. We get to

797
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: the north. I ended up going with the pack wide

798
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: receiver group for this reason. It's the exact same thing

799
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: I just said about Kansas City and their DBS. Now

800
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: you look at Green Bay, this is a two year

801
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: group Like these are all first and second year players. Now,

802
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 2: when you look at Watson, Dobbs, Jayden Reid gets drafted,

803
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 2: Wis gets drafted, and du Bos gets drafted. They drafted

804
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: three wideouts this year after having drafted two last year. Now,

805
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: I put that down there because it's interesting to me

806
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: just having all these young players at one position. My

807
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: question to you, because you've talked about this in the

808
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: past and we've had this discussion young quarterbacks pairing with

809
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: veteran wide receivers seems to be the secret sauce as

810
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 2: they get established. Now you can mix in the younger

811
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: guys they are going to have. And even though he's

812
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: been in the league a few years, Jordan Love is

813
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: a first year starter. With all first and second year receivers,

814
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see how that works.

815
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: You'm curious, and normally I would say I wouldn't like it.

816
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: And the reason why I don't like it is because

817
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: with the young quarterback, he needs stability and consistency, and

818
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: when you have veteran receivers, route running is consistent and

819
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: so he's going to know when I get to the

820
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: top of my drop and I throw to this spot,

821
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: because now you throw the spots instead of throwing the people.

822
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let it go to the spot, and my

823
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: veteran receiver is going to get there. We have seen

824
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: the jumps that guys have made when they've had veteran

825
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: additions come Josh Allen jumping significantly when he has Stefan digs,

826
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts taking a significant jump when aj Brown comes over.

827
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Speaker 1: It's just something different. The only time we've really seen

828
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: it work with young players is if there was a

829
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: history and so Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, they knew each

830
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: other from LSU, they had thrown the ball. There was

831
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: a chemistry and a connectivity that was already there. Even

832
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: Jaen Hurston Davonta Smith chemistry connectivity. It's just harder for

833
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: everybody to grow and develop at the same rate. That

834
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: would be the only worry and concern that I would

835
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: have by the Packers receiver group. All of these guys

836
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: are learning on the fly, and I don't know how

837
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: that chemistry is going to be When you have a

838
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: bunch of young guys. You don't have that old leader

839
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: that can be the reliable threat while the young guys

840
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: are developed and as the receiver two or the wide

841
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: receiver three in those roles.

842
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and you look at obviously with Mahomes

843
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: coming into the league, having Kelsey already in place. Look

844
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: at Herbert coming into the league having Keenan Allen and

845
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: Mike Williams. Like a lot of these guys that have

846
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: popped have had those sure reliable veteran dudes.

847
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: Man Trevor Lawrence. Watching Trevor this year with Kristin Kirk

848
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: and Jay Jones and Evan Ingram, guys that have been

849
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: around the block a few times, he should game should

850
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: go up another notch with Kelvin Ridley coming on board.

851
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: There is something about the security of having veteran receivers

852
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: that you can trust and rely on because it is

853
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: all about trust, that connection between quarterback.

854
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: And pass catcher. YEP, one hundred percent all right. The

855
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 2: Falcons running back room b John Robinson joining Algier and

856
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: cordell Or Patterson. I thought that wasn't intriguing, just with

857
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: all the different skills you have there, all.

858
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: The different skills, and there's some people that hate this

859
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: fig that hate them taking the running back. But when

860
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: you hear Arthur Smith talk about he's a home run

861
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: hitter and the way that he can impact the game

862
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: in so many different areas you understand why they were

863
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: so fascinated with v Jon Robinson. But then let's go

864
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: back and look at man. I think this is a

865
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: team that's maybe top five and rushing last year with

866
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: Tyler Aziers, corder Aerra Patterson playing that I don't know,

867
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: like Cordero Patterson is playing like I wanted to play

868
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: when he first entered the league. After we did the

869
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: report at Tennessee, he's decided now in his mid thirties,

870
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: that's the player that he's going to become. And yeah,

871
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: all those guys bring a different style to the position,

872
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: but man, you can just see how Arthur Smith is

873
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: going to utilize it. I mean, it's going to be

874
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: a nightmare to defend this Falcon's offense despite a young

875
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: quarterback still trying to find his way their running game.

876
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: That running back room is going to be problematic for

877
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: people to match up with.

878
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: No doubt, it's going to be a fun group to watch.

879
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see how that group kind of comes together.

880
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: I think it's a good pairing when you have Arthur

881
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: Smith knows what to do with these guys too, so

882
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: I think that'll be fun. Last one will get out

883
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: to the west and we could go a couple of

884
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: different groups with Seattle. Obviously, when you bring in JSN

885
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: and you put him in the mix with Tyler Lockett

886
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: and the metcalf, I think we've talked a lot about that.

887
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: I came away looking at it, though, kind of more

888
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: intrigued by the completeness of this running back group. When

889
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: you throw in Sharboney and McIntosh into this mix. Sharboney

890
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: who can be a four minute back, McIntosh who can

891
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: really catch the ball out of the backfield, and then

892
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: you mix them in with Kenneth Walker again, all first

893
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: and second year players running backs a young man's position.

894
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: They've got three good young ones.

895
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: And what I love about this I feel like Pete

896
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: Carroll the last two years has been like, you know what,

897
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna go out, I'm gonna go out doing

898
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: it my way. It's my way. Yeah, I'm gonna do

899
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: it my way. We're gonna run the ball, we gonna

900
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: do play. Actually, I'm gonna get back to playing good defense,

901
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: but running the ball. The thing that has hurt them

902
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: is since the loss of Marshawn Lynch, right, Marshan Lynch

903
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: was a rarity in terms of being a three down

904
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: back who was not only physical and aggressive as a runner,

905
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: but also it was really good. If you go back

906
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: and look at Russell Wilson's early career, Marshaw Lynch was

907
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: the ultimate bail out player. And so its a catching

908
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 1: the ball out the backfield. Well, what you can't get

909
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: in one mar Shaan you can't get in three different players.

910
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: And so you get the size and physicality and Zach

911
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: Sharbonnau who also can catch the ball out of the backfield.

912
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: You get the juice and explosiveness in Kenneth Walker, and

913
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: you have, like let me, you talked about mcintize being

914
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: special out of the backfield. You now have given Geno

915
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: Smith the ability to continue to allow this team to

916
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: play smash bouth ball while letting Geno play action check

917
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: down screens, swings utilize the entire field. The wide receiver

918
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: Cord is terrific. But now these guys that he has

919
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: behind him, they never have to change their style, and

920
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: so the Seattle Seahawks can be more explosive but equally

921
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: as efficient while still kind of remaining that round and

922
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: pound ball control unit that Pete Carroll.

923
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: Wants them to be one hundred percent. I think you're

924
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: right on. And I think the other thing I would

925
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 2: add to that is they hit the tackles last year

926
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: to starting tackles with Lucas and Cross, they drafted two

927
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: interior linemen this with Olawa, Timmy and Bradford that could

928
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: end up being started. So you could end up having

929
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 2: four young offensive linemen. And I do like the fact

930
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: of offensive line getting to be together for a long

931
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: period of time. Potentially this group could be together for

932
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: a long time.

933
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: It can be together for a long time. And so

934
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: right in front of us DJ, what's crazy. They've done

935
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: a makeover. They've done a rebuild on the fly while

936
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: still going to the playoffs when no one thought they

937
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: could go to the playoffs. And so you look back

938
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: and you, well, Pete Carroll and John Snyder are laughing

939
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: because they were able to pull it off when no

940
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: one thought that they would be able to move off

941
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: from Russell Wilson and become a better team. This will,

942
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: this has the poticip to very much better team, not

943
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: only in twenty twenty three, but when you look at

944
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, this is when this team really could pop.

945
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: When these guys settle into their roles. Yeah.

946
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: No, it's really an unbelievable turnaround and remaking that entire roster.

947
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 2: John Schneider and Pete Carroll, hats off to them, and

948
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: hopefully Gino can continue to play at the level he's

949
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 2: playing at. So you know, we'll see what that looks

950
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 2: like going into the future. All right, Buck, that was

951
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: a fun exercise. Man, anything else you want to add

952
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: before we before we get out of here.

953
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: No, it is not baseball. Not baseball. You can't anything.

954
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: I can't take any more, not baseball.

955
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: I give myself a week in the hole. It's like

956
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: just giving yourself a week in the hole. I'm out.

957
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: So you're doing like a little Aaron Rodgers darkness retreat

958
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: from baseball. I'm doing a Padre I'm doing. I'm doing

959
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 2: a Padre darkness retreat.

960
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: Yes you are. You will by Wednesday, but you'll be back.

961
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: You'll be back tweeting scores and wan so do it

962
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: hit like a Grand Slam and you you I would

963
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: love it if you would, it would be nice to see.

964
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: But I'm not.

965
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: I know, I'm giving I'm firing myself from it. Week weekly,

966
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: were watching some Premier lacrosse or something, like that. You know,

967
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: our buddy Mark Brady holding it down though over there.

968
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: All right, man, this has been fun. I hope you

969
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: guys have enjoyed this, and I want to congratulate, by

970
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: the way, before we leave, I do want to congratulate

971
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: our producer and the beal because after a long successful

972
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: run as a Packer fan to have I have successfully

973
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: made the transition into a Jets fan just like that, Buck.

974
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's hard to do.

975
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: It's hard to take a lifetime of allegiance and just

976
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: throw it out the window and now all of a

977
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: sudden become a Jets fan. But it's an impressive feat.

978
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: I want to congratulate him on that.

979
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: It is an impressive feat. Somewhere Vance Lombardi is rolling

980
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: over in his grave trying to figure out, like what

981
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: in the world, Like this guy's where do you go?

982
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: A longtime Packers fan and he just has decided to

983
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: just jump ship with the quarterback. Come on, man, seemed

984
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: team to team.

985
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's unbelievable, just just drifting wherever the wind takes.

986
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: It so unbelievable.

987
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: By the way, congratulations to him on the Bucks. When

988
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: do they play again?

989
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: Buck?

990
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: Do we know?

991
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: Oh? Man. Not only that, and then they got the

992
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: coach fired and everything else like it. Just man, tough time,

993
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: very too muchuous time up in Wisconsin.

994
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: Right now, I hear you all right, that's gonna do

995
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: it for So hope you guys have enjoyed this one.

996
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: We'll catch you next time.

997
00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: Right here, I move the sticks Workings six to computing

998
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: SISS