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Speaker 1: course we want to win the match. Of course, Pete

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Speaker 1: and I know what's at stake, you know, of course

443
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Speaker 1: we know all of this stuff. But we also knew

444
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Speaker 1: that there was something bigger and more sinister in play,

445
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Speaker 1: and that that was bringing a lot of darkness to

446
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Speaker 1: the match.

447
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Speaker 2: So he struggled.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was very clearly struggling with his emotions,

449
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,760
Speaker 1: which he'd already he's always bottled up prior to that point,

450
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Speaker 1: and he just couldn't take it anymore. And the fans

451
00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,200
Speaker 1: were trying to be supportive of it, and they sort

452
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Speaker 1: of broke him down and he started crying, and it

453
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Speaker 1: certainly became a memorable match. The level of tennis was excellent.

454
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Speaker 1: I think it would have been memorable just on the

455
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Speaker 1: tennis alone for me, but that just added a new

456
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Speaker 1: element to it of awkwardness and darkness to it. And

457
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Speaker 1: I remember after the match, I had a friend of

458
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Speaker 1: mine who hadn't seen a lot of tennis, who was

459
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Speaker 1: an entertainer who I got in tickets to the match.

460
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Speaker 1: He was in town playing with his band, and he

461
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Speaker 1: came into the locker room afterwards and Pete and I

462
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Speaker 1: were both on training tables next to each other, like

463
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Speaker 1: you do you know, and we're both cramping and we're

464
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Speaker 1: both sort of just talking to each other, and he like,

465
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Speaker 1: I went to dinner with him the next day. He goes,

466
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Speaker 1: do you guys like do that? Do you talk to

467
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Speaker 1: each other after matches like that? He's like, I couldn't pod.

468
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Speaker 3: How do you do that? The entertainer was.

469
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Speaker 1: Saying, how do Yeah, you had no concept of how

470
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Speaker 1: combatants could actually then just go talk about it afterwards

471
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Speaker 1: and be next to each other. And you know, if

472
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Speaker 1: you're not from the world, it's just a very foreign

473
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Speaker 1: concept because most team sports, obviously that doesn't happen in

474
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Speaker 1: the tennis. Tennis is different, so you know, that's that's

475
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Speaker 1: something that wait a.

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Speaker 3: Second, lord, let me just stop you there, because tennis

477
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Speaker 3: is different. But there are also times where there's been

478
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Speaker 3: times where I know players would rather be on the

479
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Speaker 3: other side of the world, the next to their opponent

480
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Speaker 3: and not talk. So, yeah, we don't want to give

481
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Speaker 3: everyone this rosie that everyone's everyone's like that. I would

482
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Speaker 3: say a lost fair.

483
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Speaker 1: I've seen a few people pinned up against the locker before.

484
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not throwing anyone under the bus mark Knolls.

485
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Speaker 2: But you know, no, it is true.

486
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Speaker 3: I mean it is an interesting dynamic that in the

487
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Speaker 3: locker room, everyone's in the locker room, like literally. I

488
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Speaker 3: think one of the funniest things for me is like

489
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Speaker 3: US Open, you know, have the champions locker and you

490
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Speaker 3: could have the entire locker room available, the entire locker room,

491
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Speaker 3: and you have the two people in the final, and

492
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Speaker 3: they have the lockers right next to one another, and

493
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 3: they refuse to move during the tournament, so they're getting

494
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Speaker 3: chowered and dressed within three feet of one another, and

495
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Speaker 3: it's just like, can't change anything. Did you have any

496
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Speaker 3: weird supersystems superstitions.

497
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Speaker 2: Not really.

498
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Speaker 3: I didn't have your ruffer.

499
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Speaker 1: I had rituals like I wanted to, you know, ball

500
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Speaker 1: when the deuce court, I'm taking the ball from the

501
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Speaker 1: ball kid on that side and ad court the other side,

502
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Speaker 1: just to expedit.

503
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Speaker 2: But no, I.

504
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Speaker 3: Wasn't expedite or it was like that was your thing.

505
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Speaker 1: Well it was my thing, and I didn't like it

506
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Speaker 1: when one of the ball kids didn't have the ball

507
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Speaker 1: when I wanted them to. But you know, you use

508
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Speaker 1: the other one. And if I lost the point I

509
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 1: blamed it on the ball can I'm kidding, But you know,

510
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: you just get used to things that I think the

511
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Speaker 1: reason that I had the rituals, and I suspect it's

512
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Speaker 1: the reason that you did, and we all have our

513
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: little things on the court is because it makes us

514
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Speaker 1: comfortable when we're traveling the world doing different things in

515
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Speaker 1: different cities, that that's our home office and it makes

516
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Speaker 1: us feel at home in a stressful environment. Yep.

517
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Speaker 3: Okay. So you have this incredible rivalries and these amazing moments,

518
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 3: and it was an incredible decade, particularly for American tennis.

519
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Speaker 3: When you talk about you and Pete and Andre and Michael

520
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 3: cut to you know, twenty years later and what we're

521
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Speaker 3: seeing now with Roger and Ruffa and Novak mind blowing. Yeah,

522
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Speaker 3: I mean, explain that because you were in the midst

523
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Speaker 3: of such an incredible sort of decade there in the nineties,

524
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Speaker 3: what are you seeing now?

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, they're just amazing athletes. The level

526
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Speaker 1: of athleticism, their professionalism, their dedication, their understanding of scheduling.

527
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: There's so much that they do right that leads them

528
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Speaker 1: to the success. And they have a circumstance where the

529
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Speaker 1: surfaces have become more homogenized, which allows them to play

530
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Speaker 1: a similar style across all surfaces. And there are fewer

531
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Speaker 1: surface specialists than there were back in the day. And

532
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's why they're more consistent. It

533
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Speaker 1: might add something a very small piece of it, but

534
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Speaker 1: they're far more consistent than any of the great players

535
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Speaker 1: in my generation. You would see top players take early

536
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Speaker 1: losses and it wouldn't blow your mind. Now if you

537
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 1: see these guys lose early in a major, like when

538
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Speaker 1: Stakowski beat's better or wimbled, and you're like, oh my god,

539
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: the world's ending.

540
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Speaker 2: You can't believe this is happening.

541
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Speaker 1: But the thing that I think separates them from the

542
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Speaker 1: other great players is their defensive capabilities, because most of

543
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Speaker 1: the great players historically are offensive minded players.

544
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Speaker 3: Pete had to serve in the forehand.

545
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you look at that that Pete, if

546
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Speaker 1: he's having a good day, absolutely unbeatable.

547
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Speaker 2: And he had more, far more good days and bad days.

548
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: But on bad days he was vulnerable.

549
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Speaker 1: And these guys, if they're having a bad offensive day,

550
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: they just fall back and play defense. And they play

551
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: such high percentage tennis. They know how to manage their games,

552
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: and they've shrunk the bandwidth of their good and bad

553
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: days to a point that it's almost a flat line.

554
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Speaker 1: They just rarely had these days where I mean, I

555
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Speaker 1: can think of Novak playing She'll simone in Australia making

556
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: one hundred, literally one hundred unforced errors in a five

557
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: set match, and he still won. He still managed to

558
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Speaker 1: find his way through the worst day he's probably ever

559
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Speaker 1: had in tennis that I've seen him, as far as

560
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: that statistic goes by far, he still found a way

561
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Speaker 1: to win.

562
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Speaker 2: These guys are so.

563
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Speaker 1: Good at managing all the elements that are in play,

564
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Speaker 1: and they're playing with the margins are small, the games

565
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: faster than it's ever been. There's less reaction time than

566
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Speaker 1: we had in between shots, for sure. But they're awesome.

567
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: They're amazing ambassadors, and it's just it just boggles the

568
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: mind to think that we waited so long for someone

569
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Speaker 1: to clip Emma's twelve Majors, and then's tennis, you know,

570
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: and then Pete gets to fourteen and you're going walks

571
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Speaker 1: off after he wins the open and you're like, well,

572
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Speaker 1: that's never going to get beaten. And then there are

573
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Speaker 1: three guys the same era. It's just it's amazing.

574
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Speaker 3: I know this is an impossible thing to us, but

575
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Speaker 3: I mean I'm going to be just because I'm well.

576
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Speaker 2: The impossible burger seems like it doesn't work too but

577
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Speaker 2: it does.

578
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's it's true. But I own that stock,

579
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Speaker 3: so I'm happy with that. But tell me about if

580
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 3: you had to sort of take a run at it

581
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: right now, who do you think is going to have

582
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Speaker 3: the most of those three?

583
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, the easy money would be on the

584
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Speaker 1: guy in the lead right now because you just don't

585
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: know who's going to get injured. So you know, Roger

586
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: are sitting at twenty, you know, right now, that's probably

587
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: where the betting line should be just because of the

588
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: injury factor. But I suspect that when it's all said

589
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: and done, if injuries are not a huge part of

590
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: the discussion going forward for Rafa and for Novak, that

591
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: Novak's going to have the most.

592
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the consensus for a lot of people.

593
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: I agree with you with that injury thing. We can't

594
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: ever understand or you know, look what happened to Novak

595
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: for those couple of years, you know, with the elbow

596
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: and you know Rafa with the knees. I think it's

597
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 3: going to be an ongoing issue. And you know, look

598
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 3: at what Roger did. You know we thought he was

599
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 3: all done like five years ago at the back, So

600
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 3: you never know. But I think the betting money would

601
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: be if I had to.

602
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: Put it on, that's for you to Novak to be.

603
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: But I think the wimble To final actually was a

604
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: precursor on why it was huge, because I think if

605
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Speaker 3: Roger had got twenty one, that might have been close

606
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: to being unsuppressible. But I don't know. I think now

607
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: that Novak's the guy to beat.

608
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll just think about it.

609
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: I mean, he's five years younger than Roger, I believe

610
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: something like that, and five or six, so he's got

611
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: if he stays healthy, and he seems to be taking

612
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: great care of his body, so he probably has another

613
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: twenty Looks.

614
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: At Major's, yeah, and that's funny.

615
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: And he's great on all surfaces, so I think it's

616
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: not unrealistic to think that he.

617
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: Can win five more.

618
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 3: So, you know, when you's.

619
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Speaker 2: Saying that Roger doesn't win anymore, there's so many variables.

620
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of variables. But Rogers you know,

621
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 3: not getting any younger. As they say, father time does

622
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: catch him up to everybody undefeated speaking off at the

623
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 3: time retirement back to you, what was the catalyst that

624
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 3: you said, all right, Jim, it's time to hang it up.

625
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: It was one specific how and how hard was it

626
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Speaker 3: or how easy.

627
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: Was so it was easy.

628
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Speaker 1: It was one specific match I was playing. It was

629
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Speaker 1: one specific tournament, I should say. I was playing in

630
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: San Jose in February, you know, the indoor swing in

631
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: the States after Australia, and I made it out to

632
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: the semis and I played a young Ozzie, talented Ozzie

633
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: Mark Philippoussis. Yeah, and uh and Flip and I are

634
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 1: battling in the semi finals on a Saturday, and we've

635
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: got a great crowd in the arena, and I lose

636
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: a close match and I walk off the court and

637
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: I just didn't feel the sting. And that's when I

638
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: knew I needed to let someone who felt the sting

639
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: take that spot. You know, I'd done everything that I

640
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: could in my career to be ready to play every day,

641
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: and for me not feeling what I needed to feel

642
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: on the court, which was real, well, yeah, yeah, you

643
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: got to feel something and not having that that pang

644
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: of regret after the match, I just wanted to go home.

645
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: And then when I wanted to go home, that's what

646
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: I knew. I needed to stay there and find something

647
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: else that made me want to leave.

648
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Speaker 3: I think it's really important for people to understand what's

649
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: the motivator. And some people have very different motivations just

650
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: the injuries physically they can't do it sometimes. Look, I

651
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: want to have especially with women, you know, I want

652
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: to have a family, so and I'm not motivated anymore

653
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: to do this. I'm not motivated to travel, be away

654
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 3: from my family or you know yours is like you know,

655
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 3: it didn't sting for me, And yeah, then you start go,

656
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: why am I doing this anymore? Then being away from

657
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: my family and putting myself through hell because you had

658
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: you had a big easy play.

659
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 1: Well, it's a big lift and I couldn't do it halfway.

660
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Speaker 1: I just don't have that in my personality to mail

661
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Speaker 1: it in. And I didn't think it was right to

662
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: go out there and take a spot on tour if

663
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't impassioned, and and i'd also you're framming.

664
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Speaker 3: Down one hundred and twenty Andy swinging easy points.

665
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: No, there's that too, But even people who did that

666
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: ended up finding that it was a lot, and that

667
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, Pete was able to win without having to

668
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: really grind, and even for him, it just became a lot.

669
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: And I get that, and I admire the players who

670
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: have managed their schedules better than we have and are

671
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: doing so many great things for themselves and especially for

672
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: the sport. You know, having our stars stay in the

673
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: sport so much longer now it's so valuable for tennis.

674
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: Is it tougher on the younger players to break through, Absolutely,

675
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: But for the long term and immediate health of the game,

676
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: if you can have to say, hey, Coco, you don't

677
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: Coca golf, you don't have to come out and grind

678
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: right now. This doesn't have to be the apex of

679
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: your career like Martina hingis.

680
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: You have until I mean.

681
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: Look at what Serena, Yeah, I mean mid late thirties,

682
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: you can still be winning majors.

683
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: If you said that to the kids now, they're like,

684
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: there's no way I'm going to be playing in my thirties.

685
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: I mean, because Serena and Venus both used to give

686
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: me shit for still playing on the tour in my

687
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 3: late thirties and I'm like, excuse me, hello, he's still playing.

688
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: I think it's and it's about what you're talking about,

689
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 3: if you still have the passion to put yourself through

690
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: the grind and through the stress, because it's stress, and

691
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 3: particular when you're a great player, the expectation is to

692
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: always win. So if you can put yourself through that

693
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: consistently and be okay with it, that means you still

694
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: have the passion to play.

695
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think one of the things that helps

696
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: players keep that passion is taking good breaks and scheduling properly.

697
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons that I suspect Andre was

698
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: able to play into his mid thirties at such a

699
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: high level was that he took a lot of time

700
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: off for various reasons during his twenties, and that gave

701
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: him a second win to go something that's something that

702
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: Michael and Pete and I didn't do. We just kept grinding, grinding, grinding, tournaments, exhibitions.

703
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: You know, it was a neverending calendar and you know,

704
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: knowing you can't go back in uncorked time. But if

705
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: you knew, you know, seeing what players do today and

706
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, of course I'm going to take a

707
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: month off after the US. So it's somewhere that after Australia,

708
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go to Dubai in Europe, I'm

709
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: going to relax, rest and get another training block and

710
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: be at home and be fresh and then go play.

711
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: So you think it's a good thing that someone like

712
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: Coco that the WTA has that age eligibility rule.

713
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

714
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: Look, I'm conflicted in a way because I do believe that.

715
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: I don't believe in the rules in some of the

716
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: team sports, where you like, if you're good enough to

717
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: play in the NFL, you should be able to go play,

718
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: especially a sport like that where the lifespan of those

719
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: athletes are so small, and to give up some of

720
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: your good years to play in college for free.

721
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of that.

722
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: But I think guardrails are good and I don't think

723
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: that was it fifteen. Eventually she's able to play, yeah,

724
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: something along those lines. I think I'm learning about it

725
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: through her success. I don't think that's a bad thing

726
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: because she can also play exhibitions and World Team Tennis,

727
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: and there are other ways for her to still get

728
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: him peaked and get matches that are gonna make her better,

729
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: but she should be and it's a good thing. Also

730
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: in my opinion that she has the counsel of Tony

731
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: Godsick and teammate who have managed Roger's career from a

732
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: scheduling standpoint as well fantastically, and they can point to that,

733
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: and that's a she is a great role model. And

734
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: then she's on the inside for that. So I think

735
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: it's I think it's fine.

736
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Speaker 3: She's playing an exhibition actually with Ash Party in about

737
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: a month prior to the US.

738
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Speaker 2: Open, So yeah, yeah, Winston Salem.

739
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: As So yeah, you're right. I mean she's still going

740
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 3: to get exposure. You're still going to be playing great players.

741
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: And I've always said, now tennis is not a sprint,

742
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: it's a marathon. It used to be an owadays I'm

743
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: more of a sprint. Sprint to thirty, hang on for

744
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: a couple of years. Maybe now it's like no marathon

745
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 3: through till about the thirties. And now with the money,

746
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: people obviously that make you good living can certainly have

747
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: a great team around them. Correct, just quickly, I want

748
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: to get into your broadcasting, like how did that happen?

749
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: I mean obviously you and I quite loquacious, so it's

750
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: not exactly difficult to get into.

751
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,479
Speaker 1: But I don't think I was known as being that

752
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: way when I came off tour, though, But it happened serendipitous, you.

753
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: Know, I was. I had a pretty.

754
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: A pretty chilly relationship with a lot of people in

755
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: the media. Yeah, you know, because I got burned in

756
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: some early stories and wasn't mature enough to sort of

757
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: separate a couple of bad, bad eggs from the whole carton,

758
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: so I could be a little tough in press conferences. Salty, yes,

759
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: very salty, indeed sea salty, even sea salty. But so

760
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: what happened was I retire at the same time that

761
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: T and T Network in America got the rights for

762
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: Wimbledon away from HBO, and they needed a team and

763
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: they didn't have anyone, and people at IMG who were

764
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: managing at the time, said, Hey, is this something you

765
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 1: would be interested in doing. I said, yeah, I've been

766
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: hanging out in Orlando for a few months. It's been fun,

767
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, it'd be nice to see some

768
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: friends and I'll try it see if I like it.

769
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: And it dawned on me that I didn't know anything

770
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: about it, so I was very nervous going into it,

771
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: and it dawned on me that I shouldn't be starting

772
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: at Wimbledon.

773
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: I should probably be.

774
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: Starting at a very small tournament somewhere where no one's

775
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: listening so I can learn how to do this. But

776
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to be surrounded by some amazing people,

777
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: both behind them in the truck and next to me

778
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: in the seat. I got to work with Mary Carilla,

779
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: I got to work with Marv Albert. We just had

780
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: an amazing group of professionals. Ernie Johnson was our man

781
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: on the desk, who's incredible.

782
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: I mean, we were just the.

783
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: It was a padded room for me, so I couldn't

784
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: really hurt myself too badly. And it was an amazing

785
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: start and an experience, and I've kind of just done

786
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: it ever since.

787
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: Tell people what it's like. Was your first I actually,

788
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, I did my very first

789
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 3: broadcast when I was eighteen in Australia. Gary Wkinson, who

790
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: was a great Australian broadcaster for many many years, jokingly

791
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: said to me, what do you want to do when

792
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: you're done? I said, Gary, I'm Wanta just starting my

793
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: tennis career, like, don't throw me under the bus yet,

794
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 3: and I said, I don't know, maybe when I'm done,

795
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 3: i'd like to do what you do, kind of as

796
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 3: a joke, and he said, well, why don't you come

797
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 3: in and sit and do a match with me tomorrow,

798
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 3: And you know, me being so stupidly naive and ballsy

799
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: at the same time, I was like all right, And

800
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: literally that was my first match. It was Nicole Pratt

801
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 3: played Sabine Appleman's in Brisbane and my first thing was

802
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 3: on camera, so so yeah, so well I didn't know

803
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: any better, so I just sort of ran with it.

804
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: And you know, I throughout my career actually spat it

805
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: just like spits and spats did Eurosport, Australian TV, and

806
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: then ESPN and then Tennis Channel and now you know,

807
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 3: all over the place.

808
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: So your first thing was an on camera. So my

809
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: first thing was to interview my peers before the tournament.

810
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: I had to do sit down interviews with Andre and

811
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: Pete came over. They came over to my rental house.

812
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: We sat there up over there. It was brutal. I

813
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: was sweating bullets.

814
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: It was awful.

815
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: Did they but they were so kind of course, but

816
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: actually ridiculous, kind of good.

817
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 3: In some respects because at least you knew them. It

818
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: wasn't like it wasn't like these superstars looking at you, going,

819
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: who the hell are you? Dude?

820
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: You they were going to take care of me, But

821
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: we're all we're called all in on the joke, like

822
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: how is this real?

823
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: What are we doing here?

824
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: At least you knew good questions to ask.

825
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: And that I was terri I'm sure I was awful.

826
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: No, I'm sure you were great. Promise last couple of questions.

827
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: You know, you're busy and you got to go, and

828
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 3: I really appreciate your time. But when you know, when

829
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: you look at tennis now, I mean, and you're now

830
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: in the broadcasting you're running the old.

831
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: Farts the leg we called the Invesco series. But the series.

832
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 3: Is that fun for you to to be around still

833
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: and play and play these guys.

834
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: I love the way that I'm I've figured out a

835
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: way to to stay in the tennis world. That's and

836
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: it's a great reason to stay in shape. When you

837
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: know you've got to compete and it's going to be televised,

838
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: it's sort of your ego sort of says, I better

839
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: practice and I better stay with it, and I want

840
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: the clothes to fit and all that stuff.

841
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 3: Right, some a some hunt in the work, but a lot.

842
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: I'm actually impressed with you, guys. How do you still

843
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: do this?

844
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 4: Yeah?

845
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: It's fun. I mean I never even when I was

846
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: tired of the grind. When I'd retired, I was still

847
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: living in Orlando where I still have my house and

848
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: still live, and Pete was training out of the same place.

849
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: And Pete came back after like Miami and he needed

850
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: someone to hit with and I was literally to stop.

851
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: I even told anyone that I.

852
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: Was retired, and yeah, so I went out and hit

853
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: like two on ones with Pete all week. You know,

854
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: it's not I never lost the love for actually hitting

855
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: the tennis ball. It was just doing everything else and

856
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: getting on the plane.

857
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

858
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: You know, it's a great line that the.

859
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: Bass player from Zeezy Top says, they don't pay me

860
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: to get on stage, they pay me to get on

861
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: the bus.

862
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, It's so true. Yeah, it's a good way

863
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: thinking about it. So are you going to get your

864
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: kids in tennis or you just want to do whatever?

865
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: I have a two and a half and four and

866
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 1: a half year old boys, and they have their little

867
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: rackets and we've got the phone balls, and we played

868
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: tennis in the house because the phone balls are fine.

869
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: And and my my four and a half is you know,

870
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: takes a little semi private lessons with his best friend.

871
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: So we get our club pro down in Orlando gives

872
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: him a thirty minute lesson once a week when we're there.

873
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: And he's good. He likes it and it's fun, and

874
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: we don't do it too much, you know.

875
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm basically a wait for him to ask if he

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Speaker 1: wants to play, and then that two and a half

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Speaker 1: year old just follows him around and can can barely

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Speaker 1: pick the racket up, so he drags it around.

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Speaker 2: He's almost playing more golf with the tennis racket. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but it's it's great.

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Speaker 3: It's just singing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My wife played college tennis and she played the futures

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Speaker 1: and challengers and stuff, so we're tennis family.

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Speaker 3: Give her.

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Speaker 1: Susanna's the best. She has far better technique than than

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 3: Maybe on the back end for too. Well, we're going

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Speaker 3: to see that. I got to see that. Can talk

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Speaker 3: with you up in New York I can hear you

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Speaker 3: can do that. I need someone to play with.

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Speaker 2: The Well, we'll be there for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, God, there's so many questions I want to

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Speaker 3: ask you, but we got to go. But I guess

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Speaker 3: one question I want to know is there one match

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Speaker 3: or one point where you were just like I just

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Speaker 3: kind of even believe this is happening.

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Speaker 1: One match at one point where I can't believe is yes, Yes,

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Speaker 1: the first final I ever made. You always remember your

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Speaker 1: first final right.

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Speaker 2: On the A on the ATP. So the ATP I

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Speaker 2: was playing in Basel.

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Speaker 1: I was playing Stephan Edburg in the final, and at

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Speaker 1: that time the final was best of five. It was

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Speaker 1: two out of three until the final. So a couple

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Speaker 1: of things that I can't believe. So there was also

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Speaker 1: back then after the third set, there was a ten

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Speaker 1: minute break in Madic. So we split the first two sets.

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Speaker 1: He wins the third set and we go in and

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Speaker 1: you can talk to your coach and all that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So we go in and I'm with my coach, you know,

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Speaker 1: the guy from Voltaris that I would leave with later.

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Speaker 1: And we're going and I'm trying to problem solve with him,

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Speaker 1: and Edward comes in strips naked, goes and takes a shower.

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Speaker 2: I could not believe that. Can you imagine? Like he

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Speaker 2: goes and takes a shower.

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Speaker 1: Tony Pittgard, his coach, is just kind of sitting there

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Speaker 1: so humming, and I'm like, this is great. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: win this four set. He's in there, combing his hair

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Speaker 1: and putting on togo to an afterwards.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he did look good.

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Speaker 2: He looked great. Stefan still looks.

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Speaker 3: Why he looks so good?

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Speaker 2: He actually had a shower And I won the four

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Speaker 2: set six O?

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Speaker 3: No, come on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So I won the four set.

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Speaker 1: Six O and then somehow I scrambled and scraped to

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Speaker 1: a seven five and the fifth set win.

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Speaker 2: But it was, I mean, the shower right, And I

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Speaker 2: was like, who does this.

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Speaker 3: People?

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Speaker 2: I guess I was a nineteen year old kid. I

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Speaker 2: was like, I got maybe this is what you're supposed

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Speaker 2: to do. Maybe if I get here, I'll do this

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Speaker 2: next time.

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Speaker 3: Not when you won the set six love, You're like, hell, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm not taking a shower forever ever between him? Really,

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Speaker 3: did you never take a shower between even when rain delays?

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Speaker 2: Sure? Sure?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah you didn't think not if you only have

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Speaker 1: ten minutes. You're gonna blow five of it on a

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Speaker 1: shower and change. I mean, I want to talk to

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Speaker 1: my coach and I'll change a shirt. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: like change my clothes, but I'm not getting a shower.

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Speaker 3: It's hilarious. Yeah, sorry, Stefan shouldn't have taken a ship.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't have done that.

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Speaker 1: But damn your hair, man, if I would never want

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Speaker 1: a haified hair.

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Speaker 3: Like yours, he still looks good.

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Speaker 2: He's a handsome fellow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, anyway, Jim, thanks so much. Carry carry on

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Speaker 3: here in Washington and I'll see you continually on the road.

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Speaker 3: And to people that don't know Jim, he is the

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Speaker 3: real deal. He's a great guy. And I'm going to

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Speaker 3: talk about you. I'm already embarrassing. I mean, you're already

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Speaker 3: a rendit. We don't need to make you a red face.

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Speaker 1: I got that too. They can't see the money that's

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Speaker 1: coming under your table right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, all right, thanks Jimmy.

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Speaker 4: And that's it for this episode of the Racket Magazine podcast.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening. Our host is Renee Stubbs. Our co

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Speaker 4: host and producer is me Caitlin Thompson. Music by internationally

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Speaker 4: renowned DJ Stretch Armstrong thanks to Tim or Jerry and

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Speaker 4: then the team at ACAST. Find us at racketmag dot com,

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