Speaker 1: Smell us Now, Lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia mea podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain
Speaker 2: Time on Thursday, December twelfth, and we are here live
Speaker 2: for medi to HQ and Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host,
Speaker 2: Randa Williams, and I'm joined today by Brody Henderson and
Speaker 2: Ryan cal Callahan. Did I get that right?
Speaker 3: Nailed it?
Speaker 2: On today's show, We're gonna talk to our good friends Bubbly,
Speaker 2: Doug Duran and Pat Durkin. We're gonna dig into the
Speaker 2: photo archives for another throwback Thursday. We're gonna know We're
Speaker 2: going to North Alabama for One Minute Fishing. We'll discuss
Speaker 2: our top three wild game and fish species for the table.
Speaker 2: And we're doing another highly anticipated installment of the Meat
Speaker 2: Eater Movie Club where we will be reviewing the nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy eight film Buffalo Rider. Before we get into all that,
Speaker 2: I've got an important announcement. There are only a few
Speaker 2: more days left to be sure that any last minute
Speaker 2: orders from the Meat Eater First Light, FHF, Phelps and
Speaker 2: DSD stores arrive on time for Christmas. And in fact,
Speaker 2: a Little Birdie by the name of Corey Calkins told
Speaker 2: me that our twenty twenty five fucked up old shitters calendars.
Speaker 2: That's the fed up old shitters calendars. We'll be back
Speaker 2: in stock tomorrow, December thirteenth, so get them before they
Speaker 2: are all gone, or before a twenty twenty five calendar
Speaker 2: is irrelevant. Brody cal It's great to see you both.
Speaker 2: How are we doing today.
Speaker 1: I don't know that calendars go irrelevant because I think
Speaker 1: most folks are just ad them for the photos at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you often walk into our garage and see
Speaker 4: a calendar from twenty six years ago.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's usually you know, big Bucks or pin
Speaker 2: up gals.
Speaker 3: Not I was going to say, the older they are,
Speaker 3: the more lud baby.
Speaker 4: If it's a good enough shit or it could stand
Speaker 4: the test of time, exactly.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Joining us on the line first today are friends of
Speaker 2: the program, Doug Durhan and Pat Dirkin, who are joining
Speaker 2: us on day one of Doug's Doe Derby in Wisconsin. Gentlemen,
Speaker 2: welcome to the show. It's great to see you both.
Speaker 5: Visible.
Speaker 2: I see, So what is what's going on with the
Speaker 2: Doe Derby there? Doug can you tell us what the
Speaker 2: Casanovia doe derby is?
Speaker 6: Well, the uh, we're started to take your time.
Speaker 1: Doug, I'm sorry said take your time.
Speaker 5: Is this thing on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's the same. You don't have the
Speaker 3: whole show.
Speaker 7: So we started the dough derby a few years ago
Speaker 7: as a part of the forty antler list hunt. And
Speaker 7: the idea is that we're encouraging people to reduce the
Speaker 7: population by taking antler this deer, most of which will
Speaker 7: be does of course.
Speaker 6: And then the other thing is.
Speaker 7: That we're getting them encouraging to get them tested for
Speaker 7: CWD if they bring their harvested dough like to in
Speaker 7: a trailer over or in our buggy over here that
Speaker 7: we got the fine cut the head off submitted for
Speaker 7: CWD testing. Inside this thing will be a couple of
Speaker 7: tickets that they'll fill out. And through the support of
Speaker 7: generous sponsors like like meat Eater and Vortex and can
Speaker 7: Am and and but there's a whole list, we have
Speaker 7: a bunch of prizes that we give away, so's we're
Speaker 7: incentivizing people to h to harvest and get tested for CWD.
Speaker 6: And then the other thing that we do is we.
Speaker 7: Have this party here on Saturday evening with my tall
Speaker 7: friend Pat Durkin will be a part of that. And Uh,
Speaker 7: it's just a place where hunters gather and we you know,
Speaker 7: tell deer stories and kind of some of the old
Speaker 7: school stuff that and I used to enjoy a lot
Speaker 7: more when we were kids.
Speaker 4: Does Pat have all the prizes in those pockets.
Speaker 6: On his bed? Like?
Speaker 4: I feel like we do a whole segment just going
Speaker 4: through Pat's pockets.
Speaker 8: Said, I'm kind of kind of surprised you guys haven't
Speaker 8: pointed out that for once in my life, I'm standing
Speaker 8: taller than Doug.
Speaker 2: I figured it was just the angle of the camera,
Speaker 2: or is there? Ah? Yeah, very nice. Well how's how's
Speaker 2: the hunting been?
Speaker 8: I mean, I got this idea by watching the NFL
Speaker 8: one year in a pregame. I walked down the field
Speaker 8: and saw Bob Costa sending a box. That's not a
Speaker 8: bad idea, so I figured stand. I used to Doug,
Speaker 8: I looked like a little kid, So I thought today
Speaker 8: we'll change things up a little bit and make him
Speaker 8: look up at me.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: So what is the the deer count? And have you
Speaker 1: gotten any testing back yet?
Speaker 5: Doug?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're up to depending on just on the farm
Speaker 7: and you know, the properties that I have here, we're
Speaker 7: at about twenty five. Unfortunately, the later ones that we
Speaker 7: got later in the season, we haven't gotten back yet.
Speaker 7: But the unfortunate part is the ones that we got
Speaker 7: early in this season, including a nice four year old
Speaker 7: buck that I got tested positive. Brock who's holding the
Speaker 7: camera here right now, shot a a antlerless buck and
Speaker 7: a and it was a year and a half old
Speaker 7: I think, and and a two and a half year
Speaker 7: old dough and they both tested positive. My nephew Sam
Speaker 7: shot a three and a half year old buck and
Speaker 7: an older dough when.
Speaker 6: They tested positive. So we have five.
Speaker 7: That have tested positive out of eleven that we've gotten
Speaker 7: back so far.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, and then.
Speaker 1: Are those your only dough derby submissions the ones in
Speaker 1: the canyon there or turned in?
Speaker 7: Well, we've got uh. This year, we've expanded, so we
Speaker 7: have five different kiosks like this where people can happen,
Speaker 7: and the people who are running those kiosks are bringing
Speaker 7: the tickets up and it's been really fun because they
Speaker 7: people are more you know, it's just more opportunity and
Speaker 7: getting more people involved, and I haven't countered them all
Speaker 7: up yet, but it looks like we're well over two
Speaker 7: hundred and fifty so far.
Speaker 3: Wow wow, very cool.
Speaker 2: And this is just open to anyone who wants to
Speaker 2: participate in the area, is that correct, right?
Speaker 7: Anybody who can legally transport a deer, because there's just
Speaker 7: all these CWD regulations that we're not going to talk
Speaker 7: about unless you really want to. But the CWD regulations
Speaker 7: you have to kind of be adjacent, and of course
Speaker 7: everybody is sort of adjacent now because of the way
Speaker 7: the disease has expanded.
Speaker 6: So folks can bring they can bring the head, they
Speaker 6: can bring the whole carcascent if they want to. Some
Speaker 6: people have just brought the limph notes and you know,
Speaker 6: who's gonna lie about something like that.
Speaker 7: So, uh, it's been it's been gratifying to see this grow.
Speaker 7: I mean, cal you were here the first year and
Speaker 7: we had I don't know, you know, less than one
Speaker 7: hundred submissions, I think around fifty, and now we're you know,
Speaker 7: we're approaching three hundred, so we're excited about that.
Speaker 1: Well that's the way these things have to start, you know,
Speaker 1: because then everybody who participates win something in the raffle
Speaker 1: and word word spent spreads really fast. The other thing
Speaker 1: that meat processor that you have up the road. I mean,
Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan and I were going to come back just
Speaker 1: for the dough Derby, just so I can make have
Speaker 1: those guys make more brought worst.
Speaker 3: That brought Worst is unbelievaba.
Speaker 2: I'll testify. I did get to enjoy some of that
Speaker 2: brought Worst and it is spectacular.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's great.
Speaker 7: We're actually enjoying some of those this weekend as well
Speaker 7: as a part of our as a part of the party.
Speaker 2: So yeah, do you have any idea how many folks
Speaker 2: are going to be in attendance at the party.
Speaker 7: I would stay somewhere between fifty and one hundred. You
Speaker 7: don't have to be present to win, but I will
Speaker 7: tell anybody who's who's in the area who might come
Speaker 7: to the party. Saturday evening will start at about five
Speaker 7: until about eight, that we will have door prizes this
Speaker 7: year for only for the people who actually.
Speaker 6: Come to the party.
Speaker 2: Very nice.
Speaker 6: Along with the.
Speaker 7: We have a Savage access rifle with a word Tech
Speaker 7: scope and a Chris Crafted, a Chris Crafted custom sling,
Speaker 7: got a big can Am branded YETI cooler seed from
Speaker 7: my friends at Hoxy Native Seed Camp. Chef has given
Speaker 7: us as they have in previous years. Are really nice
Speaker 7: to burner stove. Our friends at Deck sent us one
Speaker 7: of their cases to give away some really great prizes.
Speaker 7: Binoculars from Vortex, a full set of meat Eater books,
Speaker 7: all signed by Steve. And so those are some of
Speaker 7: the prizes for the first drawing. And then we'll have
Speaker 7: a virtual drawing the first week of January when the entire.
Speaker 6: Season is over with. We have a this four day.
Speaker 7: Season and then bow hunting continues and then there's a
Speaker 7: holiday hunt. So between December fourteenth, hey, between holidays, right
Speaker 7: December fourteenth to January first, there's also another twenty.
Speaker 6: That's why I have Dirk and here. It keeps me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how much up for the festivities tonight?
Speaker 6: We have a pretty good pile over there.
Speaker 7: We'll be all right, you know, nobody's gonna get nobody's
Speaker 7: gonna get cold.
Speaker 6: We'll be able to see the fire from a ways away.
Speaker 7: So you know, it's we have it's it's I think
Speaker 7: we have brought back some of that enjoyment that people
Speaker 7: have of getting together. They don't mind standing out in
Speaker 7: the cold, and that's why we have a big fire
Speaker 7: right and people have really enjoyed coming to that. The
Speaker 7: participation has grown in the dough derby, and you know,
Speaker 7: there's a lot of discussion about what CWD is doing,
Speaker 7: what populations are doing, areas where people are worried that
Speaker 7: their population is being not they're not just seeing sick
Speaker 7: beer and killing sick deer, but their population a decline.
Speaker 7: That's uh pretty hard to point it in other directions
Speaker 7: other than chronic wasting disease.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've created a safe place, if you will,
Speaker 1: for all these big tough folks to come together and
Speaker 1: talk about killing does which is something that's very important,
Speaker 1: and what they're going to do with the meat, and
Speaker 1: then have thoughtful discussions on CWD and and what they're
Speaker 1: going to do with all the cool stuff they want.
Speaker 1: You're doing the Lord's work.
Speaker 7: Doug Well, and it's great to see we're doing what
Speaker 7: we can where we're at with what we've got.
Speaker 2: And it's great to see that you have the support
Speaker 2: of a bunch of different great brands in the industry
Speaker 2: behind this all.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: It really has been and it's not been, uh, incredibly
Speaker 7: difficult to get people to step forward. We've had people
Speaker 7: come First Light came forward and gave us the five
Speaker 7: hundred dollars gift certific you.
Speaker 6: Know for first Light. What a great you know, what
Speaker 6: a great thing that is.
Speaker 7: And it's really uh, it's been great to see that support.
Speaker 6: And here we are, sunning standing in front.
Speaker 7: Of the kiosk where we where if people do the
Speaker 7: when they come in and do the reporting and whatnot,
Speaker 7: I don't.
Speaker 6: Think they're not.
Speaker 2: It's the opposite of a live well.
Speaker 3: And you're not on the dough board yet.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I got to on the on the board so far,
Speaker 8: and I tried to impress Doug you know that I
Speaker 8: actually know how to remove the lymph nodes. So that's
Speaker 8: my contribution is in there, just in a little bag.
Speaker 6: They look suspiciously like consoles.
Speaker 2: Now, is there any sign of our dear friend Chester
Speaker 2: Floyd at this gathering?
Speaker 6: He will be here on Saturday, Yeah, for the for
Speaker 6: the party. He's bringing his.
Speaker 7: Son and he said, I'd like to hunt, but I'll
Speaker 7: have a two year old with me. I said, I
Speaker 7: think I got a spot for you. I'll put him
Speaker 7: up there in that office. I got up on the ridge,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of Pat's pockets. I was gonna say, you
Speaker 2: might save that, uh, save that milk crate for Chester
Speaker 2: if we if we end up going back to you,
Speaker 2: very good. Well, guys, it's great to see you, and uh,
Speaker 2: congratulations on pulling together another great event. And best of
Speaker 2: luck to you in the woods out there.
Speaker 6: Thanks you guys, all right, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Couple couple solid folks there. Oh yeah, it is time
Speaker 2: for Throwback Thursday, where we dig into the photo archives
Speaker 2: and take a trip down memory lane with some of
Speaker 2: the crew.
Speaker 9: Go back on a Thursday, Mon, Stephen Brody, take me
Speaker 9: back to nineteen seventy four. Did I mentioned Stephen Brody?
Speaker 6: Our old as?
Speaker 5: I love it?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's delightful, Phil, Thank you, really good.
Speaker 3: That's really good Phil.
Speaker 1: Oh the memories, the memories, the pictures here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get those pictures up.
Speaker 1: I was personally shocked that people had digitized memories. I
Speaker 1: thought that was the whole point of like going back
Speaker 1: and finding the polaroids.
Speaker 2: Well, the new memories.
Speaker 3: Look at that cute dog. What's that dog?
Speaker 2: That dog? That dog is named Jack also known as
Speaker 2: Jack Bishkins. He in that photo. God, he must have
Speaker 2: been maybe two years old. He lived to the ripe
Speaker 2: old age of seventeen. Whoa, and he turned into quite
Speaker 2: an asshole in.
Speaker 4: Speaking of being old though, Like you can tell that
Speaker 4: Randall is not old because this picture doesn't look old.
Speaker 5: It's like like high quality. You know that you're mentioned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is the early day of digital cameras.
Speaker 2: I don't know how old I am in that photo.
Speaker 2: Maybe nineteen twenty. That's my first buck, first white tailed
Speaker 2: deer buck. I'm sitting there in Kentucky and I got
Speaker 2: that I were sitting in the bed of black Thunder.
Speaker 2: It's a nineteen ninety seven Ford Ranger with an orange
Speaker 2: racing stripe on the side of it. Just just a
Speaker 2: you know, great memory with a good dog, good firearm.
Speaker 2: That is a Marlin Model eighteen ninety five g guide
Speaker 2: gun chambered in forty five seventy oh wild. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: believe I was shooting a Remington cor locked the four
Speaker 2: h five grand soft point and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, effective range of about one hundred yards.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually this buck I shot him, he was he
Speaker 2: was actually locked up with a smaller.
Speaker 5: Buck and made that smaller bucks day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I brought an end to their exciting fest.
Speaker 5: What did that smaller buck do after you shot the
Speaker 5: big one.
Speaker 2: It's all it's all a blur. It's all a blur.
Speaker 2: But I shot him out of a homemade little crotch
Speaker 2: seat made out of some leftover planks of wood and.
Speaker 3: Two by fours, right as in the crotch of the tree.
Speaker 2: Crouched the tree. Indeed, and then the following year I
Speaker 2: shot another ten point out of that same crotch with
Speaker 2: that same rifle. So some of my early formative memories
Speaker 2: there still got the rifle. I don't great big mistake
Speaker 2: on my part.
Speaker 1: When I first looked at this, I thought, you're there
Speaker 1: is a cemetery as the back dry That's.
Speaker 5: What I thought, excited to hear.
Speaker 2: No, it's an old Uh. It's an old well pump
Speaker 2: with like a crank handle at the Lewis family farm. Oh,
Speaker 2: here's another one. This is me in maybe two thousand
Speaker 2: and ten eleven with a couple of berbot at the
Speaker 2: end of a long summer working in the last where
Speaker 2: I have obviously lost my mind.
Speaker 1: Do they call him Burbot in Alaska? Or was there
Speaker 1: were there any other names for him?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 2: The guys I was with called him Burbot.
Speaker 5: I think some people call him cusk up there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I read that.
Speaker 5: I think so they got so many different names.
Speaker 2: Yes, these are just on set lines and we ran
Speaker 2: around in the dark checking lines and then came back
Speaker 2: and had a big old.
Speaker 5: Cus or loss.
Speaker 2: I forget what Herbert fry on my last night up there.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 2: So that's me and my amish beard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I should bring that back.
Speaker 2: That's a strapping young fellow.
Speaker 4: That's the first iteration of the first light suspenders col.
Speaker 1: Wool pants, wool union suit. That's a full one piece
Speaker 1: union suit underneath, and then wool sweater. Yeah classic yep.
Speaker 1: And if if the suspenders were turned the right way out,
Speaker 1: they have little skiers on them, but they are no
Speaker 1: more because they lost their elasticity a long time ago.
Speaker 1: But that's that's my first elk ever.
Speaker 3: Right there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: How old were you in that photo?
Speaker 3: It was high school, probably a sophomore year.
Speaker 2: I would think he grew up.
Speaker 5: In Montana, right, yep. Did they not have an orange
Speaker 5: law back then?
Speaker 3: They did?
Speaker 1: So this this, this is like a manufactured photo.
Speaker 5: I got a lot of people take the orange off
Speaker 5: for the photo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I don't. Is never something like I've made
Speaker 1: a point of But I was out with my hunting
Speaker 1: mentor my my outfitter buddy, the guy learned everything from
Speaker 1: and my dad and we and we were it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, a paid hunt. So there were clients in camp,
Speaker 1: which was also like a father son and uh it
Speaker 1: was just rainy, crappy, very typical western Montana weather, dreary.
Speaker 1: Not a lot happened, and we hiked tired all week
Speaker 1: and nothing was happening. And as we were packing up
Speaker 1: at the end of that week, the outfitter was like, Pard,
Speaker 1: we got this. Why don't you take one more walk?
Speaker 1: And so I did, and was in Hunter's orange and
Speaker 1: had a totally different rifle than what's pictured here. If
Speaker 1: you look close as a left handed seven mmg you know,
Speaker 1: and you may may know that I would have nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the seven mm.
Speaker 3: Right or left handed. And uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, walked walked in and looked down into this cut
Speaker 1: and there was a cow and a calf feeding there
Speaker 1: and it.
Speaker 3: Was all by myself.
Speaker 1: First, OULC was like, oh my god, this is really happening,
Speaker 1: and tried to talk myself out of it and all
Speaker 1: the things and lay down and actually made a Texas
Speaker 1: heart shot on this cow as she was going out
Speaker 1: of sight, so shot her right at the base of
Speaker 1: the spine, and that bullet went in, kicked off her
Speaker 1: spine and went down through her heart and outer chest.
Speaker 2: Textbook.
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't didn't hit a stitch of meat. It was
Speaker 1: like the most crazy shot ever. But you know, as
Speaker 1: you know, really just a kid cow had a calf.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, somebody else could get
Speaker 1: this this calf. And so I ran back to camp
Speaker 1: and I was able to take the other father and
Speaker 1: son in there, and they shot. The son of the
Speaker 1: two shot the calf, and so they got to go
Speaker 1: home with some meat. And Yeah, it was a you know, know,
Speaker 1: a conflicting young man experience, right of like cow and
Speaker 1: a calf and all, you know, but first elk, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then and then they were like, you got to
Speaker 1: get a picture of that thing.
Speaker 3: That's an antelope.
Speaker 2: Another mustacheless photo, we do. I did see someone in
Speaker 2: the chat.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 2: There was some question about when you started growing at
Speaker 2: your mustache, and then some question about when you started
Speaker 2: losing your hair. So because of the hat in the
Speaker 2: previous photos, so here clearly you do have a full
Speaker 2: healthy head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I rocked a lot of hair. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think it was always on the way out.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 1: It was fleeting, but I made up for it in
Speaker 1: the volume that I could grow around the deep pits.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't even know remember what happened here with this antelope.
Speaker 3: But that's Ruger M. Seventy seven and eighty all.
Speaker 5: That I had. That rifle, it's a good rifle.
Speaker 3: It is a good rifle. Yeah. That paddle stock, yes
Speaker 3: it did. Yeah, did I tell yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the you know, the full weatherized stainless steel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I cannot remember. I think my dad must have killed
Speaker 1: this buck. I was guiding at this point and Dad
Speaker 1: came out to camp.
Speaker 3: So I was guiding for the.
Speaker 1: Old outfitter and uh yeah, Dad, Dad, that's how that's
Speaker 1: those Those are the photos we used to take back then.
Speaker 1: Primary focus was on getting things gutted fast. And that
Speaker 1: is still my biggest white tail buck to day.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 1: Other than antelope. This is the only shoulder mount animal
Speaker 1: that I have. And Randall has actually got to see
Speaker 1: this shoulder mount in person because it's hanging in my
Speaker 1: buddy's cabin in Augusta.
Speaker 2: It's impressive.
Speaker 5: Yep, oh, there you is.
Speaker 4: I only sent phill one picture. I didn't know we
Speaker 4: were supposed to send multiples in. But anyway, that's me
Speaker 4: when I was probably I was probably ten or eleven.
Speaker 4: That's northwestern Pennsylvania on Elk Creek, which is a Lake
Speaker 4: Erie tributary. And back when, back when I was that age,
Speaker 4: those lake Erie streams used to get They used to
Speaker 4: have an artificial man made run of cohos chanook and steelhead,
Speaker 4: so you get all three in the streams in the
Speaker 4: fall for.
Speaker 5: A short period of time.
Speaker 4: Anyway, when it started raining in the fall, and that's
Speaker 4: me working over a steelhead with a with a zeb
Speaker 4: coo reel, probably a zebco rod reel combo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I landed that thing and I was like the
Speaker 5: first big fish I ever landed.
Speaker 3: It looks like you have overboots on.
Speaker 4: I do like what they call us, think galoshes, no waiters.
Speaker 5: My dad was cheap skate back then.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's like you go in as deep as
Speaker 4: those boots and no deeper area.
Speaker 2: You're getting wet.
Speaker 4: But they're like those streams are weird because they're all
Speaker 4: shale bottom streams, so it's like a lot of it
Speaker 4: shallow and then there's like one deep because so you.
Speaker 3: Could, so they'll run up and sit in that bucket.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so yeah. Man, I've always loved that picture
Speaker 4: because I'm really reefing on that fish and I landed it.
Speaker 4: It's good times back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and whoever colorized it after the fact from the
Speaker 2: original black and white a really nice job. I had
Speaker 2: to get one of those in.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Well that's.
Speaker 2: It for Throwback Thursday. Our next segment is One Minute Fishing.
Speaker 2: Do I feel lucky?
Speaker 5: We'll do.
Speaker 2: You go ahead, make my cast. One Minute Fishing is
Speaker 2: where we go live to someone who's fishing and they
Speaker 2: have one minute to catch a fish, and if they're successful,
Speaker 2: we'll make a five hundred dollars donation to a conservation group.
Speaker 2: This week, our angler is Kyle Liibarger, who's at Wheeler
Speaker 2: Lake on the Tennessee River in Alabama fishing for crappie.
Speaker 2: Kyle is the founder of the Native Habitat Project, and
Speaker 2: today he is fishing for a donation to Conservation Fisheries, Inc.
Speaker 2: A Knoxville, Tennessee based nonprofit dedicated to conserving the unique
Speaker 2: aquatic ecosystems of the Southeast. Kyle, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 9: How's it going.
Speaker 2: We're doing very well, sir. Welcome to One Minute Fishing.
Speaker 2: Have you been fishing? Have you pre fished this spot
Speaker 2: this morning?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 10: I have a called about eight or nine keeper crappie
Speaker 10: and probably twenty twenty five in total this morning, so promised.
Speaker 2: This sounds like a very promising start. We've been on
Speaker 2: a bit of a dry spell here, and I think
Speaker 2: that's understating it. So were eager to have someone in
Speaker 2: the hot seat there who knows what they're doing. Well.
Speaker 10: This pile, it's a tree top and this thing every
Speaker 10: time I come up to it and I catch one
Speaker 10: of my first casts usually, so I'm I have a
Speaker 10: mess with it in like two hours. I'm hoping hoping
Speaker 10: there's some crappy on it.
Speaker 2: So oh that's dedication. I love it. What's your h now?
Speaker 2: What's your rig there? What are you fishing with today?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 10: I got all. I just got a little spinning reel.
Speaker 10: It's a fluger and a finwick rod and uh I
Speaker 10: got live minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, live minos, you said, yeah, yeah, so it's kind
Speaker 1: of cheating.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Well, you know, I have petfish at home in
Speaker 10: my pond behind my house, and so if I really
Speaker 10: wanted to cheat, I could.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, this seems like a good earnest effort. It
Speaker 2: looks like you're out there, uh, getting after it. So well,
Speaker 2: your timer and your one minute will begin whenever you
Speaker 2: make your first cast, So whenever you're ready, Kyle, take
Speaker 2: a shot, all right.
Speaker 10: Let's try.
Speaker 2: And the timer is going.
Speaker 3: Is it on a jighead?
Speaker 10: I have a little split shot about six or eight
Speaker 10: inches up, so that's the way, and just free lining it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 10: sometimes I'll use a bobber, but I use a free line.
Speaker 2: It's like a beautiful piece of water there.
Speaker 10: Yeah, this is Flint Creek. So we we manage a
Speaker 10: little grassland at the boat ramp here, but the state
Speaker 10: lets us manage.
Speaker 2: But twenty seconds twenty seconds on the clock here.
Speaker 5: Pressure's on.
Speaker 3: M would not want to be you right now.
Speaker 2: Ten seconds left here, five seconds.
Speaker 1: Time.
Speaker 3: I think you just got to go with a ripping
Speaker 3: hook set just to see.
Speaker 10: Oh oh look does that count?
Speaker 1: Oh god?
Speaker 2: The old stickfish.
Speaker 10: I mean, there is a fish on it.
Speaker 11: But there he's got a point. It's no arguing with that.
Speaker 2: Well, Kyle, I think next time we need to get
Speaker 2: you out there for your first cast of the day.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you have a pretty good track record
Speaker 2: when you first get in there.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it's a you know, I think you'll need
Speaker 10: to change it to like, you know, ninety seconds or something.
Speaker 2: We'll we'll put that one past Steve, But he seems
Speaker 2: pretty firmly committed to this bit.
Speaker 10: So how many of you, how many have caught in
Speaker 10: sixty seconds so far?
Speaker 11: Pat Dirkin did, But that was I mean, that was
Speaker 11: a special circumstance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we should have a meeting about this offline
Speaker 2: and rethink the segment. But Kyle, I think you've raised
Speaker 2: some very valid points here.
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to make myself feel better.
Speaker 2: So well, we appreciate you, uh getting out on the
Speaker 2: water for us and uh showing us your your spot
Speaker 2: there and good luck with the rest of your day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 10: Give me a chance so I have a good one.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll see again here.
Speaker 3: I did, like I got a call.
Speaker 1: I saw one comment in there where somebody's asking for
Speaker 1: current fishing conditions on Henry's Lake, Idaho.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what That's just the kind of community
Speaker 3: we need, just.
Speaker 2: Throwing it out into the universe.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, who knows what the show will become in
Speaker 11: a year.
Speaker 2: It could just be you know, oh yeah, just a
Speaker 2: live fishing report exactly. Yeah, uh, Phil, Why don't we
Speaker 2: take a little break here, get some listener feedback. What's
Speaker 2: happening in the chat?
Speaker 11: Let's do it.
Speaker 9: Let's start off with a with a breezy one. I
Speaker 9: don't I don't know if how people decorate their homes
Speaker 9: for Christmas? If if anybody but Aaron's asking who at
Speaker 9: meat Eater has the most festive house?
Speaker 3: I know, Phil, put up lights?
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 9: I've got a very basic icicle lights set up with
Speaker 9: a wreath on the door, nothing fancy. I've also got
Speaker 9: a one story house, so I can't go too crazy.
Speaker 9: But yeah, do you guys decorate the exterior of your
Speaker 9: homes or the.
Speaker 5: Entry of lights on our porch?
Speaker 4: We're definitely like in our neighborhood where like the lame
Speaker 4: House screach house.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Phil, are you gonna play coy? Are you
Speaker 2: gonna let people know you've seen the inside of my house?
Speaker 11: Well, Randall, I happen to know that you have quite
Speaker 11: a tree. We do.
Speaker 2: We do have a big home.
Speaker 11: You too, it's very impressive.
Speaker 1: I'd rather have the lame house from the outside, but
Speaker 1: if you come in, there's gonna be a cold beer
Speaker 1: and something good to eat.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not one or the other. You can have
Speaker 2: it all.
Speaker 3: Col not with the timeline I have.
Speaker 4: Have you seen Cal's garage. He doesn't have any room
Speaker 4: for distorre. Yeah, like ornaments in the season.
Speaker 2: Might need to hang some new shelves from the ceiling there.
Speaker 9: I'm actually I'm curious, you know the answer to this question.
Speaker 9: Eric is asking the longest you've gone without punching a tag.
Speaker 9: He says this is his second year in a row.
Speaker 9: Have you guys had this speaking of dry spells.
Speaker 3: M Oh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: I've definitely definitely been there.
Speaker 2: I don't have enough self restraint to not punch tags.
Speaker 2: It's been a while since I haven't killed anything. I
Speaker 2: will say I went my first six or seven years
Speaker 2: of elk hunting without shooting an elk, and I was
Speaker 2: on a little streak there, seven years in a row
Speaker 2: with bulls, and this year it.
Speaker 4: Came to you were way ahead of the odds, So
Speaker 4: you can't be too unhappy about.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty unhappy, Brodie. Actually, I figure I don't have
Speaker 2: that many good elk cunning years left, you know with
Speaker 2: my so I just I'm like when am I hurting,
Speaker 2: I'll never get to eight.
Speaker 4: You're already planning, like for your physical just debilitation to
Speaker 4: the point where you can.
Speaker 1: Keep after it. Eric, I mean, ill straighten itself out.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is, like, man, there are there
Speaker 1: are no days of failure in the woods. Like if
Speaker 1: you're out there, if you're not killing, you're still learning
Speaker 1: a lot more than somebody who's not out there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I will say too a couple of
Speaker 2: those Like I can think of one bowl in particular.
Speaker 2: We're about to pack up, and we said, before we
Speaker 2: take the tpee down, let's just go for a little walk.
Speaker 2: You know, we're out here, we might as well put
Speaker 2: another fifteen minutes in. And I shot that bowl like
Speaker 2: fifteen yards outside of the tepe. I got out there,
Speaker 2: put my backpack on, took it off, and shot that thing.
Speaker 2: It was just across the canyon. So it can happen
Speaker 2: at any time, discouraged.
Speaker 5: The more tags you have, the better your chances are.
Speaker 2: That's true. We're pretty spoiled here. Yeah, you got all
Speaker 2: kinds of seasons to hunt.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 4: Little different, like when you live in a state where
Speaker 4: you might may only have a chance at Like a dear.
Speaker 9: Uh Tyler is asking a question for cal Phil Can
Speaker 9: you ask Cal why no conservation organization right now is
Speaker 9: dedicated to pronghorn? He could be incorrect. I don't know,
Speaker 9: so I'm coming to you cal Well.
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's a ton of overlap in that space,
Speaker 1: as with with everything. Habitat is is king habitat and connectivity,
Speaker 1: and so you have like a bunch of groups working
Speaker 1: on a new bill that would incentivize the preservation, conservation
Speaker 1: and re establishment of grassland ecosystems in North America, which
Speaker 1: we're losing at an incredibly alarming rate. Everybody should be
Speaker 1: very concerned about this. They may announce the monarch butterfly
Speaker 1: being put on the endangered species list, that is like,
Speaker 1: if we can save the monarch butterfly, we're going to
Speaker 1: be kicking ask for pronghorn.
Speaker 3: So there.
Speaker 1: I know there's some folks interested in starting up a
Speaker 1: antelope prong horn specific organization, but don't feel like that
Speaker 1: work isn't being done.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I like I do believe there is a
Speaker 2: group that has recently incorporated and they're kind of bootstrapping
Speaker 2: it and looking for funders. Yeah, and but I don't
Speaker 2: know that much about it currently.
Speaker 4: I mean MDF, Mule Deer Foundation, Sage Grouse Initiative, like
Speaker 4: there's antelope are benefiting, like Cal said, from the work
Speaker 4: of other organizations.
Speaker 1: So I mean even like RMEF, like Migration Corridor Protection,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: That migration initiative that focuses on that ho back to
Speaker 4: red desert migration, like the antelope use that migration corridor.
Speaker 2: So but I will say, anaalope a cool critters, incredibly
Speaker 2: cool tasty critters, and there are.
Speaker 5: Definitely places where their numbers.
Speaker 2: Yeah are and very fun to hunt, and so I
Speaker 2: you know, it would be great if a prong horned
Speaker 2: specific group could take off and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or or if some of these other orgs were
Speaker 1: willing to like really get some dedicated funding in that space,
Speaker 1: because there is some really unbelievable inconsistency on on how
Speaker 1: those animals are managed at the state level, But there
Speaker 1: are some federal and state dollars available for like animal
Speaker 1: friendly fencing that that definitely need more help to.
Speaker 9: So well, Jared is asking he has a neighbor who
Speaker 9: raises breeder bucks and does how will that affect his hunting?
Speaker 9: He can see the high fence from his blind. Do
Speaker 9: you have any theory res or firsthand experience with this?
Speaker 3: I got some.
Speaker 1: We used guide on a ranch in Colorado and the
Speaker 1: neighboring ranch was a high fence elk operation, and all
Speaker 1: the bugling that would come off that high fence place
Speaker 1: could could be helpful on the on the other side
Speaker 1: of the fence.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would think if a bunch of those dose are
Speaker 2: going into Astris and they're you know, essentially chained up
Speaker 2: at the neighbor's place, that yeah, that's some good scent attraction.
Speaker 4: But you might want to going back to Doug and Pat.
Speaker 4: You also might want to look into the whole c
Speaker 4: w H get.
Speaker 2: Your dear tested.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully there's an exterior fence around the internior fence
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, ways of preventing any nose to
Speaker 1: nose contact because those operations are inevitably a CWD HOTS
Speaker 1: on the map.
Speaker 2: I would be interested to learn what your experiences are.
Speaker 2: Jareded with that, because I think it would be just
Speaker 2: sort of a novel scenario to watch play out during
Speaker 2: the rut.
Speaker 9: Yeah, cool, and we'll do one more for this little
Speaker 9: segment here, Fantastic John is asking how he can convince
Speaker 9: his girlfriend to allow him to put a shoulder mount
Speaker 9: in the bedroom.
Speaker 5: Good luck as it were for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pick your battles, I think.
Speaker 1: Are we talking like a prong horned shoulder mount or
Speaker 1: moose moose sick point bull elk?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: How tall are your ceiling?
Speaker 2: How big is the bedroom? How important is it for
Speaker 2: you to put a shoulder mount in the bedroom. I
Speaker 2: feel like I have pretty free reign of the house
Speaker 2: when it comes to stacking skulls and you know, bear rugs.
Speaker 5: Now, eventually that might end.
Speaker 4: Though we reached a satur Yeah there's a point, we're
Speaker 4: at the saturation point.
Speaker 2: But I've never it's it's never really uh come to
Speaker 2: a point where I felt compelled to hang on in
Speaker 2: the bed.
Speaker 4: There's too many unanswered questions here, like is this the
Speaker 4: only thing this guy would have in his house or
Speaker 4: does he already have a bunch?
Speaker 2: Yes, the bedroom the only place without a shoulder mountain.
Speaker 1: Plus, if you guys are still boyfriend girlfriend, just do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you'll find out if you're gonna get married her.
Speaker 2: And that's our segment of Cal's relationship advice, just test boundaries. Alrighty,
Speaker 2: now it's time for another round of Top three.
Speaker 5: Wow Phil hitting the high notes there.
Speaker 2: That was incredible. I will say for a little behind
Speaker 2: the scenes look at how things go here. I was
Speaker 2: in this studio bright and early, and Phil came in
Speaker 2: and he said, can you please leave? I need to
Speaker 2: record a drop And I said sure. I said, would
Speaker 2: you like me to put a do not disturb sign
Speaker 2: on the door, to which he replied, yes, This might
Speaker 2: be the most embarrassing thing I've ever done. I know,
Speaker 2: I think you're perfectly I mean, you didn't have time
Speaker 2: to auto tune that.
Speaker 9: No, that song, really it really shows you the limits
Speaker 9: of your singing abilities.
Speaker 2: That's go straight from the pipes. I'd take that as
Speaker 2: a that gets my stamp of approval, Phil, Great, Thank
Speaker 2: you boy. Thursday is my favorite. This week we'll be
Speaker 2: ranking our preferred species of fish and game for the table,
Speaker 2: or talking the critters that you're reaching for if they're
Speaker 2: in the freezer. Brody will start with you. What's your
Speaker 2: number three choice?
Speaker 5: Am I doing all three or just my third choice?
Speaker 2: Let's go and row. Let's go your third, cows third,
Speaker 2: my third, your second cow sick in my second, Okay,
Speaker 2: and then we'll continue that pattern.
Speaker 4: But I am going to say that I think that
Speaker 4: this is one of those like tough and almost kind
Speaker 4: of meaningless ranking systems because I like all kinds of
Speaker 4: wild fishing game and it's kind of.
Speaker 5: Like based on the time of year.
Speaker 4: Like I don't have any wild turkey brass in my
Speaker 4: freezer right now, so like if I had some, that
Speaker 4: would be my favorite thing to eat.
Speaker 5: I'm just just.
Speaker 2: Putting I was gonna I was going to expect that
Speaker 2: from cow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it totally changes you disagree with.
Speaker 2: The press, Yeah, I think I think in the spirit
Speaker 2: of this of this segment, if it's in the freezer
Speaker 2: and you think I have X, Y or Z freezer,
Speaker 2: like what what which one are you most commonly going
Speaker 2: to reach for?
Speaker 4: It's well, I don't know that it's a common thing either, right,
Speaker 4: It's like it might be you only have a little
Speaker 4: bit of it.
Speaker 3: Exactly, Brody, what's your number three choice?
Speaker 4: I'm saying, it's like there's a lot to think about here, Randall,
Speaker 4: I'll say king salmon, because I only got a little
Speaker 4: bit of that stuff left right now. And it's like,
Speaker 4: if you've had the different kinds of Pacific salmon, there's
Speaker 4: like no question that nocean cock king is the best
Speaker 4: of them, batty, delicious, No man, King's got kings. King's
Speaker 4: like bigger and better and it's a cooler fish.
Speaker 5: Everything about it.
Speaker 2: It's good. Col what's your number three?
Speaker 3: Elk?
Speaker 2: Care to elaborate on the reason behind your choice.
Speaker 1: Elk is a fine meat, but I don't find elk
Speaker 1: to be very flavorful at this point in my life.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of variability too, man, Like you shoot
Speaker 4: an old cow, you.
Speaker 5: Might break a tooth on that thing, or it could
Speaker 5: be super could be super tender.
Speaker 1: That cow in the in the picture you literally pulled
Speaker 1: her ivories out what was left of them with your fingers,
Speaker 1: like they fell out super old cow and she was
Speaker 1: delicious yep. But like I have a bowl in the
Speaker 1: freezer right now, and the tenderline was like, this is
Speaker 1: going to take a while.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like the safest bet is to shoot
Speaker 4: a young raghorn bull because then you know it's not old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, yeah, timing as early as possible or as
Speaker 1: late as possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I went for elk as well, and the
Speaker 2: reasons for that are versatility and quantity. There's there's a
Speaker 2: lot of especially with all that ground and sausage, there's
Speaker 2: a lot you can do with it, and so it's
Speaker 2: kind of just our go to and it's also our
Speaker 2: go to because there's a lot of it for every
Speaker 2: elk you kill. Mm hmm, yep, Brody, what's your number
Speaker 2: two here?
Speaker 4: Oh, I'd I'd probably go with some white meat game
Speaker 4: bird like blue grouse.
Speaker 5: Well, i'd go with wild.
Speaker 4: Turkey just because you get more of it. I don't know, know,
Speaker 4: I'm going with blue grouse. It's better than wild turkey.
Speaker 3: Blue grouse is fantastic.
Speaker 2: What are you doing with that?
Speaker 4: Typically all different kinds of stuff, man, like you can't beat.
Speaker 4: Just like I like to save the legs from all
Speaker 4: my game birds and then do something with those. But
Speaker 4: like the breast from a blue grouse pounded out, just
Speaker 4: battered and fried on a sandwich.
Speaker 2: It's hard to beat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, col number two, I say mule deer. So
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'd like I really for whatever reason, don't
Speaker 1: find uh, you know, even trying to kill big old bucks,
Speaker 1: like I don't find them.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 1: Chewy, and they have more flavor than elk, So I'd
Speaker 1: prefer mule deer over elk.
Speaker 2: Big mule deer, all right.
Speaker 1: That are living the life of mule deer, a good
Speaker 1: life far away from agriculture.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I went with salmon for my number two, and I
Speaker 2: couldn't decide between sakkai or king, so I just went
Speaker 2: with the generic salmon. But I like sake if it's
Speaker 2: just going on the grill, but I feel like king
Speaker 2: is more maybe a little more firstile, like for a
Speaker 2: chowder you have all that extra.
Speaker 5: Fat and slicing it up and eating it raw.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I love it. I love having a big
Speaker 2: pile of salmon in the freezer. And for your number
Speaker 2: one selection, Brody.
Speaker 4: Well, I got a shitload of moose in the freezer
Speaker 4: right now, so that's my favorite.
Speaker 5: But actually like it. I think out of.
Speaker 4: The different servid species, moose has like and this is
Speaker 4: going to sound weird, some people be like, no way,
Speaker 4: but I think it's like it has a beefier flavor
Speaker 4: than other deer species. It's like noticeable and it's like
Speaker 4: you you take a bite of that stuff and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's that's like good, good meat and yeah, so I'm
Speaker 4: glad I got a lot of it right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll be enjoying that one for a while.
Speaker 1: Ducks, Mallard Ducks or you know Mallard Wigeon, Gadwall fat tails.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something with fat. Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that is my Are you familiar with this
Speaker 1: like girl dinner phenomenon that? Oh yeah, you know that's
Speaker 1: my girl dinner.
Speaker 2: Like I so cal call and snored on the couch. Yeah,
Speaker 2: with a rom com on.
Speaker 3: It'll eat a hole with it. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: So throat on the grill with a big fireball that
Speaker 2: maybe comes close to burning down your friends on the
Speaker 2: fourth of July.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, that type of duck's bread to sop up
Speaker 1: that fat with Yeah, salt, fat, protein, medium, rare blood
Speaker 1: all around.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Like that speaks speaks to a person.
Speaker 2: Hard to beat.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: I was surprised. Uh. My number one choice is antelope.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: If I get an antelope in the freezer or in
Speaker 2: some years multiple analope in the freezer, that stuff just
Speaker 2: goes so quickly because it's simple, you know, seer it,
Speaker 2: cook it, rare salt, and you don't need much else
Speaker 2: because it's just got so much flavor on its own.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: So I thought I thought this was going to be
Speaker 2: uh more of a boring segment because it would be
Speaker 2: on the same page. But I like that we got
Speaker 2: a little bit of variety here.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I do side with Brody. Here is like,
Speaker 1: you know, some seasons of plenty in one protein department
Speaker 1: mm hmm. Like I mean, last two years ago, I
Speaker 1: had two big chunks of blue fin tuna mm hmm,
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, holy shit, man, I.
Speaker 2: Thought there was another way to approach this, where it
Speaker 2: was what's one wildfish or game species that's been in
Speaker 2: your freezer once that you'd like to see back in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like Musko's loin is I think unique and
Speaker 1: really really fantastic, like big.
Speaker 5: Horn sheep battie delicious yep.
Speaker 3: Hard to acquire, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hard to acquire. Yeah, I'd go with mountain lion.
Speaker 3: Mountain Lion's fantastic.
Speaker 2: If I could shoot a mountain lion every year instead
Speaker 2: of a deer, I'd probably do that just for variety.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, variety is the key man. You
Speaker 4: can get sick of anything, Like you to have the
Speaker 4: best elk in the world, but if you're eating it
Speaker 4: every day, you're gonna get sick of it eventually.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like you had a long stretch of being up to
Speaker 1: my ears and elk meat and not hunting elk for
Speaker 1: a few seasons, I haven't been like missing elk in
Speaker 1: the freezer, you know.
Speaker 2: M Well, thanks for playing along, gents, will come up
Speaker 2: with a more compelling clearcut prompt for our next top
Speaker 2: three segment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, always room to improve, you know.
Speaker 2: Our next segment is meat Eater movie Club.
Speaker 9: Oh love what you did there, Phil, It's a menadrie.
Speaker 2: The nineteen seventy eight or perhaps nineteen seventy six. I
Speaker 2: found a few discrepancies in various sources for when this
Speaker 2: film was released. The nineteen seven eight film Buffalo Rider,
Speaker 2: directed by John Fabian, Dick Robinson, and George Loris, stars
Speaker 2: stuntman Rick Gwynn as Jake Buffalo Jones, a frontiersman who
Speaker 2: tames an American bison and uses it as his primary
Speaker 2: mode of transportation while battling both natural elements and human adversaries.
Speaker 2: The film's plot follows Jones, the writer, and his companion
Speaker 2: Sampson the Buffalo, through a series of increasingly outlandish adventures
Speaker 2: across the frontier. Their primary antagonist is the ruthless market
Speaker 2: hunter Frank Nesbitt, who the narrator tells us quote loves
Speaker 2: the killing, and his unsavory gang of hide skinners, Ralph
Speaker 2: Pearson ted Claiborne, who serve as the film's central villains.
Speaker 2: While most peculiar to a contemporary audience, Buffalo Riter's unconventional construction,
Speaker 2: a rough cobbling together of pre existing wildlife footage, stage scenes,
Speaker 2: buffalo riding stunts, and excessive narration, is representative of the
Speaker 2: low budget exploitation filmmaking of the nineteen seventies. This genre
Speaker 2: emphasized shocking violence, lurid sexuality, and unusual spectacle to draw
Speaker 2: audiences away from the production values and narrative coherence of
Speaker 2: mainstream Hollywood cinema. Beyond a simple representative example of this
Speaker 2: particular style, however, Buffalo Writer serves as a rich text
Speaker 2: that emerged from and reflected the speci the specific historical
Speaker 2: conditions of its creation. Its chaotic, almost anarchic production reflects,
Speaker 2: no doubt unintentionally, America's fractured cultural landscape in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 2: This was an era of profound disillusionment in American life.
Speaker 2: The Watergate scandal had shattered public faith in authority and
Speaker 2: established institutions, the Vietnam War had ended in humiliation, and
Speaker 2: economic stagflation was eroding middle class stability. In nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 2: only one year after the release of Buffalo Writer, President
Speaker 2: Carter would deliver his famous Crisis of Confidence speech, diagnosing
Speaker 2: a nation that had lost its sense of purpose and
Speaker 2: direction in many respects. The confusing structure and seemingly arbitrary
Speaker 2: narrative choices of Buffalo Writer embody the fraying coherence that
Speaker 2: Americans in the late nineteen seventies saw all around them.
Speaker 2: Perhaps most obviously, the film's technical shortcomings. Its rough editing
Speaker 2: and consistent tone, and apparent lack of quality control reflect
Speaker 2: the decade's material constraints. Likewise, the prevalent drug culture of
Speaker 2: the decade might help explain some of the film's more
Speaker 2: bizarre creative decisions. The inexplicable genre hopping between wildlife documentary
Speaker 2: and Western adventure, the replacement of dialogue with unceasing descriptive narration,
Speaker 2: and sequences like the Buffalo in a Saloon shootout suggest
Speaker 2: a production process operating on its own might I suggest,
Speaker 2: chemically altered logic, Perhaps most poignantly, much like the nascent
Speaker 2: environmental movement of the nineteen seventies, which struggled to reconcile
Speaker 2: ecological concern with embedded cultural practices and market forces, Buffalo
Speaker 2: Riders environmental message, while sincere, is undermined by its own contradictions.
Speaker 2: Just as the villainized hide hunters within it, the narrative
Speaker 2: exploit wildlife for profit, the filmmakers themselves commodify animal violence
Speaker 2: for monetized entertainment value. As the film's catchy theme song
Speaker 2: rolls over the end credits, the viewer can't help but
Speaker 2: wrestle with an unresolvable tension between our heroes guiding ethos
Speaker 2: and the commercial imperatives of artistic production in capitalist society.
Speaker 2: Viewed through this lens, Buffalo Rider becomes more than just
Speaker 2: a badly made movie. It serves as an inadvertent cultural
Speaker 2: artifact capturing the disorientation of American life in the late
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies. It's very incoherence tells us something about a
Speaker 2: moment when American society itself seemed to be coming a
Speaker 2: part at the seams, when the old certainties of post
Speaker 2: war prosperity and progress were dissolving, and new truths had
Speaker 2: yet to emerge. I give it a ten out of ten,
Speaker 2: and for your viewing pleasure, I am pleased to share
Speaker 2: one of the YouTube clips that gave this film something
Speaker 2: of a renaissance in recent years. We're going to watch
Speaker 2: a brief excerpt from episode two of Guy on a
Speaker 2: Buffalo by the band Jomo and the Possum Posse out
Speaker 2: of Austin in Texas. Please Phil take it away.
Speaker 3: One day, the guy on the buffalo hopped off.
Speaker 5: To stretch his legs, walk in the bill.
Speaker 2: Hey wants to send the weeds. It's a baby, awesome
Speaker 2: and put it in a saddle, hopped on, hoped.
Speaker 1: It up the hill and across the blame drying across
Speaker 1: the river. Not gonna happen, man riding on a buffalo
Speaker 1: member or keep the baby up floating with your.
Speaker 11: Guy out the buffalo. Gotta find your friends.
Speaker 1: She's barish, guya love, Hey, you want this baby?
Speaker 3: She put then a doch you guy.
Speaker 5: You're welcome. Lady.
Speaker 11: Gotta bull it on on of my.
Speaker 3: Guy on a full loop. One day the guy on
Speaker 3: the buffalo walked off.
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 3: It is so good.
Speaker 5: No, no better than the movie in Fast.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: The thing is is, this is how the movie is narrated.
Speaker 1: It's like and now he's doing this and this and this.
Speaker 2: That's what's striking to me.
Speaker 3: Got you're straight out and got my back.
Speaker 1: Okay, this scene where he shows the scars on his back,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, understand that, get.
Speaker 3: Out of here. So there's the animal violence. Yeah, multiple
Speaker 3: times in this show.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Phil.
Speaker 3: Definitely get kicked by a buffalo.
Speaker 2: Thank you Phil. So I do have a bit of
Speaker 2: research that I'm tickled to share with you, uh as
Speaker 2: a bit of a prelude to our discussion. I found
Speaker 2: an article, uh that was published by the Canadian Broadcasting Company.
Speaker 2: Is mister Gwyn who plays Jake Jones is now Burton.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 2: The film was filmed in Utah and Oregon and the
Speaker 2: lead actor, Rick Guinn, was working for a company that
Speaker 2: supplied animals for film productions. He was in Missouri to
Speaker 2: purchase some mules and someone offered to sell him a
Speaker 2: buffalo as well. He decided to try to tame it
Speaker 2: so that he could ride it, and he was successful
Speaker 2: in doing so, and then some filmmakers saw him do
Speaker 2: that and said, do you want to star in a
Speaker 2: movie about a man who rides a buffalo? So that's
Speaker 2: how we got this film. Many many of the scenes
Speaker 2: were unscripted, and they simply captured what happens when a
Speaker 2: man is on top of a buffalo. According to Gwinn quote,
Speaker 2: there's still a wild animal, and they feel a little different.
Speaker 2: They're a little more stubborn and not as smart as
Speaker 2: a horse. It seems his fall off Samson in the
Speaker 2: film was in fact a real fall that resulted in injuries.
Speaker 3: To questioning that.
Speaker 2: My favorite detail, the mountain lion attack in the film,
Speaker 2: was in fact a mountain lion attack. The lion was
Speaker 2: being filmed on the same property for a different production
Speaker 2: when it escaped the production ran onto the set of
Speaker 2: Buffalo Rider and attacked mister gwyn.
Speaker 5: But it wasn't a wild mountain lion.
Speaker 2: I mean it attacked him. It was being filmed for
Speaker 2: like a nature show, and so it it attacked him.
Speaker 2: The cameras just happened to be rolling as he was
Speaker 2: filming a hunting scene. According to Gwynn quote, I had
Speaker 2: to kind of fight him off. It was a life
Speaker 2: or death situation. I kind of had to do something
Speaker 2: real quick. We had lots of shots like that that
Speaker 2: were just built in the movie that were accidents. Just
Speaker 2: changed the script a little bit and continued on.
Speaker 1: But that mountain lion obviously didn't have full Yeah, but
Speaker 1: when they showed his injuries, those were real injuries.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they were like they were and.
Speaker 2: That was a real lion.
Speaker 1: Had been a real lion, yeah, there, a fully intact
Speaker 1: lion injuries would have been.
Speaker 5: The fact that they escaped production.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The fact that you guys are not listen, I
Speaker 3: think it's amazing.
Speaker 2: You're not enthralled by the idea that that lion attack
Speaker 2: was totally listen.
Speaker 1: I have to point something else out here. The fact
Speaker 1: that that buffalo comes out of Missouri is very telling
Speaker 1: because you can tell that that thing has a lot
Speaker 1: of beef Caligi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yes, So just general thoughts on
Speaker 2: the film.
Speaker 3: It's a beefalow.
Speaker 4: It held my attention for less time than your review
Speaker 4: of the film did and then went back to cleaning guns.
Speaker 3: Oh, I think you're crazy, man. Listen. I would watch.
Speaker 1: This over Escanaba in the moonlight. Yeah, nine out of ten. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I loved the You know if you're you know, old
Speaker 1: enough to remember like the old the big Long run
Speaker 1: a Disney movies. Yeah, right, yeah, this is like right
Speaker 1: in that genre. And then yeah, it has all this
Speaker 1: like very gratuitous like you know, Nature document What was
Speaker 1: that guy's name who Grizzly the nature guy who they
Speaker 1: found out like a lot of the animals in the
Speaker 1: Nature documents his name.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh anyways, yeah, I know you'd be like synonymous with
Speaker 1: nature for a long time. But anyway, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: in just crazy departures.
Speaker 2: And Bandit the Raccoon.
Speaker 1: To me, it's it's hilarious because there's like some filmmaking
Speaker 1: one oh one right where it's like, well, if you're
Speaker 1: going to talk about it, you have to show it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's be like so then he got on the
Speaker 1: track and it looked like that of a mule track,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, there's Jake on the track.
Speaker 2: Except I liked the part in the film where they
Speaker 2: mentioned a character who never appears on the stream. He's
Speaker 2: like he talked to the sheriff and the sheriff said
Speaker 2: it was okay.
Speaker 4: So he went on, Oh, there's a lot of filling
Speaker 4: in of gaps with the narration because otherwise.
Speaker 1: There would just be no story and it's just constant narration,
Speaker 1: which is what are There.
Speaker 2: Is a saying in showbiz, you know, it's it's show,
Speaker 2: don't tell, and they took that axiom and flipped it
Speaker 2: on its head and it's like, we're actually just going
Speaker 2: to tell you things that are happening that you won't
Speaker 2: see happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the scenery was great, was great, strongest part of
Speaker 1: the movie. There's wildlife so well that the actors weren't
Speaker 1: going to carry any part of this that it's like
Speaker 1: just lean on the scenery, the narration, and the animals.
Speaker 2: Oh the line, the line delivery was insane.
Speaker 4: What I want to know is like the people who
Speaker 4: made this movie was it made? Were they serious about
Speaker 4: like this is like a movie or were they just
Speaker 4: fucking around?
Speaker 5: I believe they.
Speaker 2: I believe there were.
Speaker 1: There's a messing around came before it was an actual
Speaker 1: movie and then somebody was like, yeah, we're gonna pay
Speaker 1: for this.
Speaker 3: Oh God.
Speaker 2: There was a quote from uh Rick Gwynn that it
Speaker 2: was essentially just like meant to be a fun, silly
Speaker 2: family wildlife movie with a bit of adventure. So I
Speaker 2: don't think it was like done as a parody, right,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean, like it's just like a fever dream.
Speaker 2: Like at one point they go with the racket. They
Speaker 2: follow the raccoon, and the lion tries to drown it,
Speaker 2: but then the lion is in the cold deep water
Speaker 2: and it can't drown it. So the raccoon gets away
Speaker 2: and then rides an ice rides a ice flow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: rides an ice flow down the river, thinks.
Speaker 3: Long and hard before he comes near that river again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. On the next scene, phenomenal the.
Speaker 1: The Pioneer lady, her acting, I mean, they they make
Speaker 1: the decision to stick with her long. You can see
Speaker 1: her like emotional wind up to her line, but they
Speaker 1: show all of that. I mean, it's it's really amazing.
Speaker 4: It's like it seems like so weird and such an
Speaker 4: outlier now fifty years later or whatever, but really it's
Speaker 4: not that unusual.
Speaker 5: For the seventies. They made a lot of weird movies.
Speaker 3: Go back and watch easy. You're like Rancho Deluxe, Rancho DELX.
Speaker 2: The raccoon scene in this film reminded me of the
Speaker 2: like ten minute sex scene in the middle of Rancho Deluxe,
Speaker 2: And you're like, why did they do this. Were they
Speaker 2: just filming time? It didn't need to be in this movie.
Speaker 2: But Sydney had a theory that the raccoon was important
Speaker 2: because when Buffalo Jones returned the infant to the ranch,
Speaker 2: you know that the raccoon would have to nurse the
Speaker 2: baby to health because they made a big point to
Speaker 2: say that it was a female raccoon to everyone's surprise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the big reveal, and he got.
Speaker 2: Cobbler and Stu or something. I mean, it was just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would watch this folks at home. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is going to surprise you. It's great. Like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that you're probably numbing your mind
Speaker 1: with on Netflix.
Speaker 3: Check this one out.
Speaker 2: And I will say the beginning of it, when they're
Speaker 2: out lining the historical context is pretty solid.
Speaker 5: I was gonna ask you, like historically or the man? Right?
Speaker 5: So how accurate is what they were?
Speaker 2: I mean, Buffalo Jones is a real person who's life
Speaker 2: in no way movie the.
Speaker 5: Whole thing was depicted.
Speaker 2: Well, I thought it was for the.
Speaker 5: Conflict in the movie.
Speaker 2: Well they they I mean, these guys had one pack
Speaker 2: animal and they were hide hunters, so they wouldn't have
Speaker 2: gotten very far, you know, typically I think they would
Speaker 2: have operated with a few wagons. But the way that
Speaker 2: they hunted them, like when he's talking about shooting the
Speaker 2: lead cow and then shooting the whole herd. I mean
Speaker 2: a lot of that stuff is straight out of like
Speaker 2: the sources that you read, right, and the stand hunting
Speaker 2: like going up and getting you know, sneaking up on herd,
Speaker 2: getting down prone. He even had the shooting sticks at
Speaker 2: one point, Like that's something.
Speaker 4: That they did some some solid research and laying out
Speaker 4: the cartridges.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that all seemed.
Speaker 2: And the guys like when the guys like the narrator
Speaker 2: like then they got the sharps, the big fifty sharps
Speaker 2: and they were shooting him. I forget he I think
Speaker 2: he said like to six fifty. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: how how you know accurate that is. But from the
Speaker 2: beginning of it, I was like, man, if this is
Speaker 2: like a documentary or something produced for high schoolers, like
Speaker 2: this would be pretty informed.
Speaker 11: That's exactly what it reminded me of.
Speaker 9: Like I'm just old enough to remember, like the substitute
Speaker 9: teacher comes in and rents out like an old VHS
Speaker 9: from the av department and puts it on and like mister.
Speaker 2: Jones has a fever, and so I'm gonna just play
Speaker 2: this film for you to continue our lesson on the
Speaker 2: West and the destruction of the Bison.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I said this earlier, but I do think Steve would
Speaker 4: take issue with with demonizing the buffalo hunters. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: I like, which is not an uncommon thing in movies, Like.
Speaker 2: Sure, and I did like that they were just like
Speaker 2: basically thirteen year olds who got into wrestling matches at
Speaker 2: the drop of a hat. But the one the one
Speaker 2: guy did have a conscience. He did say at some point, uh,
Speaker 2: he killed the woman. Oh, shoot, you didn't have to
Speaker 2: do that. And then he says killing women ain't good.
Speaker 2: So killing women ain't no good. That comes from Ralph.
Speaker 2: So I mean they did have there were there was
Speaker 2: some depth to those characters, but the main hunter, rather
Speaker 2: than his skinners, seemed to be sort of an unredeemable figure.
Speaker 1: When they first focus, you know, nobody gets to jump
Speaker 1: on Frank Nesbit. Yeah, some line like that, and then
Speaker 1: the narrators like Frank Nesbit told everybody about a guy
Speaker 1: riding a buffalo, and then it's like in the saloon,
Speaker 1: he's like there's.
Speaker 3: A guy riding a buffalo.
Speaker 1: And then he goes up to the bar and he's like,
Speaker 1: there's a guy riding a buffalo.
Speaker 3: We saw him two days from here.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 2: There's also these nuggets in there that you wonder, like
Speaker 2: where they going to do something else? Because the camera
Speaker 2: when he when he rides the buffalo into the saloon,
Speaker 2: the camera makes a point to show you that it
Speaker 2: knocks over the stove, and we were just waiting for
Speaker 2: the saloon to go up in flames, you know, and
Speaker 2: and and then there was really no point.
Speaker 5: For the camera. Too much plot for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also a point where I do wonder if
Speaker 1: it was a stuffed buffalo head that knocks over the
Speaker 1: card table in that scene, because it was just a
Speaker 1: weird cutaway. Also odd like frank Nesbit and the boys
Speaker 1: are are bad people and Buffalo Jones concentrates of the
Speaker 1: gunfight on the auxiliary character and frank Nesbitt never gets
Speaker 1: a shot off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was like.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, it also seems.
Speaker 3: It was the only fly I found in the well.
Speaker 2: I think my favorite part of the film was that
Speaker 2: they ordered Gin and Tonics, a classic frontier drink. Give
Speaker 2: me that watch, we're getting a couple of gin and tonics.
Speaker 2: And then the fact that they had sort of a
Speaker 2: dual ending where they filmed the saloon shootout and then
Speaker 2: they're like, you know, it shouldn't end here. Why don't
Speaker 2: we just have one of these guys.
Speaker 3: Not be here? My dad told it.
Speaker 2: And then the buffalo can kill him.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But then, man, the chase scene at the end
Speaker 3: goes like.
Speaker 2: It's phenomenal, It's great.
Speaker 3: I would watch this again.
Speaker 2: It takes that mule a little while to get going though,
Speaker 2: Like the first two minutes of the chase, the mule
Speaker 2: just seems.
Speaker 1: To interesting deal there too. Where'd the mule come?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Did they steal the mule from the wagon train? I guess,
Speaker 1: but no, no saddle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're asking too many questions.
Speaker 2: I thought it was very strange that they didn't take
Speaker 2: the wagon itself, because the primary their primary motivation in
Speaker 2: all this was just logistics. They wanted to be able
Speaker 2: to transport more hides, and so they killed his family
Speaker 2: and then they leave the wagon there. But like the
Speaker 2: reason that they first tangle up with buffalo Jones because
Speaker 2: he looks at the buffalo and he says, boy, that
Speaker 2: could carry a lot of stuff. Let's kill that guy
Speaker 2: and take his take his mode of transportation.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the whole time the costumes, I just kept
Speaker 2: thinking I was watching like a Jethrow Toll documentary. It
Speaker 2: was just like it was like, ye, if you tamed
Speaker 2: back the fringe just a little bit and added like
Speaker 2: a feather in the hair, were at Woodstock all of
Speaker 2: a sudden.
Speaker 3: Well no, I mean yeah, they're in easy Writer. Yeah right,
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: That's Hie seventy one that much different from the eighteen seventies.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Like no, I mean the fashion was po wore.
Speaker 5: The same kind of shit. It all, it all comes
Speaker 5: there dirty, like yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The I thought that Buffalo Jones really had a very
Speaker 2: striking resemblance to like nineteen seventies, you know, portrayals of Jesus.
Speaker 2: The long hair, the beard, and he's just always sort
Speaker 2: of has his contemplative look on his face. There was
Speaker 2: a lot to unpack here.
Speaker 1: There was there a real buffalo being shot, yes, and
Speaker 1: definitely real dogs being kicked, and definitely a real mountain
Speaker 1: lion getting punched in the face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that first buffalo that gets shot in the neck. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I read somewhere someone claimed that they had trained them to.
Speaker 5: Fall when that's rubber bullets, but yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 4: That's I have interesting to find out when Hollywood really
Speaker 4: started cracking down on that stuff, because like animals got.
Speaker 5: Shot and like.
Speaker 3: Stampede scenes, like somebody's breaking the legs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of horses get killed in Hollywood. Boy,
Speaker 2: thanks for indulging me and taking an hour and twenty
Speaker 2: eight minutes of your time to review that film, because
Speaker 2: that just tickled me to death.
Speaker 1: Oh again, I'd watched that over asking abb in the Moonlight.
Speaker 2: And thanks to our audience for the recommendation that one
Speaker 2: did come to our inbox as a as a suggested
Speaker 2: film for discussions, So thanks very much for that. It
Speaker 2: was just a real pleasure, Phil. I think that's about
Speaker 2: time for today. But do we have any more items
Speaker 2: from the chat that you like?
Speaker 9: Sure you've got a few, not not a whole lot.
Speaker 9: Came in and John's just asking a general bow question.
Speaker 9: What bo's did you guys use this year, if any,
Speaker 9: and are you excited for any new ones?
Speaker 2: A six milimeter creed more.
Speaker 1: I got a rob Lee bow out of Texas new
Speaker 1: re curve that is absolutely bad ass.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: It's the first new bow I've had in a long time,
Speaker 1: really really awesome, awesome bow, and I'm not looking for
Speaker 1: another one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't add anything to that.
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 9: Mountain Bucks is asking if you've ever eaten Bobcat and
Speaker 9: what's better, Mountain Lion or Bobcat.
Speaker 6: I have.
Speaker 1: I've had Mountain Lion tacos a couple of times.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean it's it's good.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think I'm eating Bobcat.
Speaker 5: I have. It's very similar. Yeah, I think you can.
Speaker 4: You get the right line, You're gonna it's gonna be
Speaker 4: a little fattier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you just have more to work with,
Speaker 1: you know, like those loins and stuff on. These animals
Speaker 1: have a lot more sinew, and so yeah.
Speaker 4: You probably get more meat off of what like a
Speaker 4: wild turkey gobbler then you'd get off of a Bobcat.
Speaker 3: Yeah probably, Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, Cal, what's your beer of choice?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 9: Some typos in this in this question, So I'm kind
Speaker 9: of just making an assumption that that's what you're.
Speaker 11: Asking, kind of like you don't like beer or lights
Speaker 11: of your.
Speaker 3: Choice right now?
Speaker 1: There always used to be like all these good seasonal
Speaker 1: dark beers that come out around Christmas time and for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, and here in bos Angelus, you know, cultural Mecca,
Speaker 1: you can't get any of them.
Speaker 2: So that's the only part of the War on Christmas
Speaker 2: that's succeeding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Phil found jubile Ale and that's good stuff. Nincossi
Speaker 1: had I think it's Nincosi had Slayer.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, So Nincosi used to distribute to southwest Montana
Speaker 9: and then there was some some some distribution of war
Speaker 9: happening and and uh, someone pissed someone off, and then
Speaker 9: they stopped distributing.
Speaker 1: Nincossia was a Slayer was good? Yeah, yeah, So I like,
Speaker 1: I like both ends of the spectrum. Love Rainier when
Speaker 1: it's hot, and uh, you know, you just want to refreshing,
Speaker 1: very light, generic logger. But other than that, it's got
Speaker 1: to have some some flavor, like a really good pilsner
Speaker 1: or get into the dark beers.
Speaker 2: Got a six pack of the Bavic super Pills.
Speaker 3: That's a Bombic super Pills. Yeah, that's good stuff. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 9: And then just for the freaks out there, another plug
Speaker 9: for the meat Eater Dungeons and dragon session. I'm saying
Speaker 9: this on record. It will happen in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 9: I don't know if you will ever see it.
Speaker 2: It might not be official.
Speaker 11: No, it will not be official.
Speaker 9: It will be It will probably be me in the
Speaker 9: Spencer's kitchen, hopefully Randall's there and a couple other people.
Speaker 2: When you asked me to join your dungeon or whatever
Speaker 2: it's called, I did say yes, you did. I preface
Speaker 2: that with the caveat that I don't know what I'm doing,
Speaker 2: but I'm I'm down.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And if if any of you know any sort
Speaker 9: of outdoor like hunting, animal tracking centered one shots, let
Speaker 9: me know, because I'm probably not gonna write my own
Speaker 9: m because I'm lazy and not that good.
Speaker 11: So hit me up.
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you to explain one shots for
Speaker 2: me once we sign off here.
Speaker 11: Yes, sounds good.
Speaker 9: Uh, and yeah, I think that's all we got for questions. Well,
Speaker 9: we're already we're alread running a little long here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a meaty episode. Before we go, I
Speaker 2: would like to make a couple of quick announcements. We
Speaker 2: are in fact going to do a great American venison
Speaker 2: jerky competition, and we will have more details for you
Speaker 2: in the new year. In the meantime, start perfecting your
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Speaker 2: as we mentioned last week, we will be pre recording
Speaker 2: episodes for the holiday break and we would like to
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Speaker 2: That's Radio at the meat Eater dot com and looking
Speaker 2: forward to recording that episode. It should be a fun,
Speaker 2: fun little hour of discussion. With that, I'll just remind
Speaker 2: you to get those holiday orders in quickly so your
Speaker 2: gifts arrive in time for Christmas. Keep an eye out
Speaker 2: for our restock of the fucked Up old shitters calonder
Speaker 2: and we'll sign off from Bozeman, Montana. Thank you for
Speaker 2: joining us.
Speaker 5: Happy holidays,