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Speaker 1: Is overrated? Interesting is what wins the audience.

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Speaker 2: Today we have a very special guest. We have calling

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Speaker 1: Why is it so big?

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Speaker 2: And today we are looking at the Tony Romo Snap game,

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Speaker 2: the two thousand and six NFC wild Card game between

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Speaker 1: But I thought it was so emblematic of Tony's career,

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Speaker 2: How crazy is this? We also talk about what he

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Speaker 1: I think they're a flawed Football Operation. I argue, it's

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Speaker 2: Dat are they ever going to get a past this curse?

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Speaker 2: Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: Games and Names. I'm Julian Edelman, He's Kyler. Jack is

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Speaker 2: back in North Carolina. But he dialed in.

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Speaker 3: He's blowing up the phone. He's dialed in.

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Speaker 2: He's dialed in, and we are on the search to

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Speaker 2: find the greatest game of all time. On today's episode,

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Speaker 2: we are covering the Romo Snap game.

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Speaker 3: It's a fun one.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and six NFC Wild Card game, wild Card

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Speaker 3: So smart. We were all anxious all morning making sure

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Speaker 3: He just knows what he's doing so well. We talked

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Speaker 3: taking notes. Firstly, because there's a lot of good stuff

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Speaker 2: Well. We also we also talk about what he really

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Speaker 2: Oh he's got some advice for all our cowboy fans. Hey,

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Speaker 2: Tough enough, well, tough enough. His journey on becoming a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obsessed, you guys will understand. And he even gives

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Speaker 2: us a couple tips on being an analyst and how

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Speaker 2: over the last two years. Now you're from the Northwest.

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Speaker 2: How did this were you? Like? Did you always? Were

435
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Speaker 2: you always into the broadcast world or did you did

436
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Speaker 2: you play sport? How did this fandom come come above?

437
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

438
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Speaker 1: I was I was a you know, little all star

439
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: Little League year of college basketball. Loved high school basketball.

440
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Speaker 2: Over what position?

441
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 1: Shooting guard, gunner, terrible bad ankles. I went to Eastern

442
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: Washington University.

443
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 2: Probably shoot up a storm, though I didn't.

444
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 1: Do anything up a storm. I was up a cree. Basically,

445
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: I didn't do much up a storm. I was a

446
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: quarterback in high school football, very marginal athlete, small league.

447
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: I made All Conference in basketball one year, I think,

448
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 1: but I mean not a great athlete, tall and coordinated,

449
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,360
Speaker 1: and you know basketball who my backyard played all day

450
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Speaker 1: every day. But when I was eight years seven, eight

451
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: years old, I always remember my mom saying this. She said,

452
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Speaker 1: you went from eight to adult. You were eight to

453
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Speaker 1: forty four years old. My mom always said, you just

454
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: knew exactly what you wanted to do. I would get

455
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Speaker 1: a tape recorder. I would do the games in my bedroom.

456
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Speaker 1: There was no like when I went to college. There

457
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: was a bunch of guys that were in you know,

458
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: journalism or radio, TV, and I knew instantly it was different.

459
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Speaker 1: This was all I was.

460
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Speaker 2: Going to do.

461
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Speaker 1: They were all nice guys, and they were all kind

462
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 1: of like glib or funny. I was obsessed by it.

463
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: On a Friday night, I wouldn't drink. I would record

464
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: AM radio in this big box I had. I'd record

465
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: baseball games and write notes and I was always obsessed

466
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Speaker 1: by it. So it's like anything else. There have been

467
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: guys that are bigger and faster than you, but you

468
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 1: were at some level probably obsessed with football, either the learning,

469
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Speaker 1: the route, running, the physicality. Even now the way you

470
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Speaker 1: eat and take care of your body. There's an obsessive

471
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: nature to a lot of successful people. Men. Women doesn't matter,

472
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Speaker 1: and I think I got very obsessive about it by

473
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Speaker 1: eight or nine years old. It's all I thought about.

474
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Speaker 1: I can remember playing basketball with my friends and I

475
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Speaker 1: called it always no exception, a jabar over to west

476
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Speaker 1: Gaale Goodrich eighteen footer and people are like, they just

477
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Speaker 1: my friends after a while, just like that's just what

478
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: Colin does. He talks to himself. For I was the

479
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 1: weird kid who talks to himself during a basketball game.

480
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Speaker 2: That obsessive behavior, you're is a huge part of success

481
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: and at least my profession, because I was around guys

482
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Speaker 2: that were obsessed with just getting the edge. Yes, that

483
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 2: was the term around New England when I was a

484
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Speaker 2: young kid. You'd be in and you'd see Kevin Falk,

485
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: Teddy Brewski, Troy Brown would just be walking in working out,

486
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Speaker 2: not even on the team, and these guys would be

487
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: just yelling I'm getting an edge on you. Everyone was

488
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 2: just trying to get better, and then once you grasp that,

489
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: you become obsessed with all right, I want to be

490
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: like these guys, Tom Brady. He's working with the purpose,

491
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: he's caring about what he's eating. And it's one of

492
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Speaker 2: those things where you become a product of the environment.

493
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Speaker 2: If you have that in you, you know what I mean, Like,

494
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: that's what I was. I wanted to be like those guys.

495
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Speaker 2: So then I transformed and tried to do everything I

496
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Speaker 2: could to be like them because they stuck around for

497
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Speaker 2: a long time.

498
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Speaker 1: You also find over the course I'm sixty now, you

499
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Speaker 1: find over the course of your life that not that

500
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: many people are no, it's really most you know, broadcasters

501
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: are of a reasonable reasonably similar in terms of talent, resonance, knowledge.

502
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: Obsessive is the difference. It's not where you went to school,

503
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: it's not your ability to you know, brown nose a

504
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: boss who's obsessed. And you find that most people I've

505
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: found make a little money and then they're content. You know,

506
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: you made a lot of money and then were driven

507
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Speaker 1: by it. The paycheck does weird things to people, And

508
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: like Tom always felt like the more he made, the

509
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: more he was going to prove you were wrong years

510
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: ago and passing on him. Aaron Rodgers has a little

511
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Speaker 1: bit of that. He's still got a chip on his shoulder,

512
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Speaker 1: and that's that's really notable. I think, I don't care

513
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: if you're a playwright a pianist, you've accomplished things. Most

514
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Speaker 1: people then moved pivot into content and obsessive people don't.

515
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Speaker 1: And I think that's the separator. That's that that relentlessness

516
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: of work, that you're not satisfied with good.

517
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, I agree, And you said got paid

518
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 2: a lot. I was just thinking, I d my mind

519
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: went over to what the receivers are making nowadays. Oh

520
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: my god, I almost just threw up. It's it's crazy, alright.

521
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: Got a lot about Ad McCaffrey.

522
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Speaker 1: McCaffrey now almost makes half of Justin Jefferson, and I

523
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: love Justin, but that he's undervalued.

524
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a number when you touch that ball

525
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: a certain amount of times and he's he's he's.

526
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Speaker 1: Up against it. That's a lot of innings pitched.

527
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: It's a lot of innings pitched, and you know those

528
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: those arms go, especially when you're throwing one o two.

529
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Speaker 2: Now Eastern Washington. Awesome little alumni there. You got with

530
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Speaker 2: Jimmy g You got Sean Page.

531
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Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, Cooper Cup, Kendrick Bourne, Kendrick Bourne.

532
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Speaker 2: What's up with the red turf?

533
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Speaker 1: I heard you donated you Michael Russe paid for most

534
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: of it. I paid a little bit. So Boise State

535
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: had the blue turf and they just said, hey, would

536
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: you give some money? And Eastern always had a good

537
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Speaker 1: football program.

538
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

539
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: I love going to college there. So I grew up

540
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: in the western part of the state, which was wet

541
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Speaker 1: and damp, and I didn't have any money child of divorce.

542
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: It was like thirty eight hundred a year. I worked

543
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Speaker 1: my way through college to pay for it. So it

544
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: had good sports and it was a It was a

545
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: school where if you want to be a high school

546
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: teacher you went and a coach and it wasn't that rigorous,

547
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: but I loved my time there. Warm, warm spring and summers.

548
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: That's where the Seahawks trained for years, and so I've

549
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: always kind of stayed connected to some degree to the

550
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: athletic department. And they called and I said, we're going

551
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: to do a red turf, and I thought, that's fun. Well,

552
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: we didn't really consider what happens if it snows, because

553
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: then the turf turns pink. It's like putting a towel

554
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: in with a red jersey. So that wasn't a great

555
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: look on TV. But I grew up my entire college

556
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: State Eastern's always kind of recruited, maybe a little northern

557
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: col mostly Washington State, good high school football area, always

558
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: had really good creative teams. I mean we always, I

559
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: mean we've played Washington's, Washington State, Oregon State very competitive.

560
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: Wasn't Bellevue in Washington.

561
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Speaker 1: Bellevue is by Seattle. That's a very rich tony area

562
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Speaker 1: of Seattle.

563
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 2: That was the team that knocked off dalya saw And

564
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Speaker 2: I was from northern California.

565
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: Yes, Bellevue great, they ran a quirky offense. And yeah, no,

566
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: Washington State is really good high school football, really good coaching.

567
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Speaker 2: They got a basketball too, don't they. I've heard that.

568
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: Or Seattle is a very good high school basketball arena.

569
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Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford played there. Yeah, I mean it's it's Washington

570
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: State's interesting. When I got a job at ESPN, there

571
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: was a linebacker for the Jets. He was a broadcaster

572
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Speaker 1: for the Jets, and I remember telling him, Oh, yeah,

573
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: this where I'm from, and he said, oh, you're from

574
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: way out there. And I remember thinking as I walked away, well,

575
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: you're from way out there. But the truth is the

576
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest is really isolated. You're surrounded by Idaho, Wyoming,

577
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, these ore again, these giant states without many people.

578
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: So you grow up sort of as an outsider in

579
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: your own country. And I grew up two hours from Seattle.

580
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean my high school had my class had twenty

581
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: six people.

582
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

583
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 1: So I was quarterback and shooting guard and you know,

584
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: smart alec I had all the roles divined, right, so

585
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: sports editor of the paper. So you just got to

586
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: fail a lot, you know, but you really are. You

587
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: do feel like when you're from the Pacific Northwest, you're

588
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: really an outsider up in that wet part of the

589
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: country that you'll meet people out east and they're I

590
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I got on a ferry up there once.

591
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: That was amazing.

592
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: I saw whale.

593
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: It's like you're on Mars.

594
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Speaker 4: You know.

595
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: People don't know white how to relate to you.

596
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: No, they don't. But we had Cooper cup on a

597
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: couple weeks ago. He said the turf was terrible, though

598
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: you like it.

599
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: I called one of his games, which one it was,

600
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: I think it was Sam Houston or something. They played

601
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: a game. They invited me up.

602
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: How was he good?

603
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know who he was. They told me we

604
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: have a really good wide receiver. And I don't remember

605
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: that much about you know, I was doing a color

606
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: commentary on the game. I don't remember a ton about it,

607
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: but I remember his draft class and I remember Tom

608
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: Telesco was the Chargers GM, and you know, Tom wouldn't

609
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: give me too much. But if I asked a question

610
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: and say, hey, let's just this is one of these

611
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: delete texts, right, And I said, what do you make

612
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: a Cooper Cup? And it was one of the few

613
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: times Tom said we'd take him. He said he's probably

614
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: second to third, he said, but if he's available, I

615
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: would we would look at him. He's on our board

616
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: and the Rams got him, so he was one of those.

617
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, he's he is sneaky good. They

618
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: knew it.

619
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Speaker 2: He's he's been an unbelievable football player. I trained with

620
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: him early in his career. We used to go run

621
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: routes over at Golden West Community College with Tom House

622
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: because they always have pro quarterbacks. Yeah, so he wanted

623
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: you want pro pro arms. A couple of times we

624
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: threw golf and what's uh in Stafford and he was

625
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: always slick with his route running. He ran it almost

626
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: like amondola where they would roll into their cuts. They

627
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: would keep their body going forward always and you can

628
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: never tell when he was going to cut.

629
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Speaker 1: Jerry Rice trick.

630
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: Jerry. Jerry was good with his arms, very good with

631
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: the arms and head and you give you the head,

632
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: but he was he had like a quicker than you thought,

633
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: kind of burst that he was developed and he was

634
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: coming off in a cl so he was he was

635
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: still young football players. I mean what he's done in

636
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: these last few years. You know when he was healthy.

637
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was banged up early. He also had his

638
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: first year a few I mean, you're going from Eastern

639
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: to the NFL. But boy, when he and Stafford are humming, yeah,

640
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: it's like, wow, it's rough here. You think Stafford's got

641
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: I you know, Stafford, I have made this argument, if

642
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: you took Mahomes out of football the last ten years,

643
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: I think there's only two players, Aaron and Stafford that

644
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: you would say have comparable arm talent side arm, I

645
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: mean Stafford's side arm stuff, Like before Patrick, nobody watched

646
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: their games. They were in the one o'clock window.

647
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: It's not even just that. It's also his toughness. I

648
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: mean he's played with some terrible offensive lines, and he

649
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: gets his teeth kicked in and he gets up every time.

650
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: He's still can find a way to make those crazy throws.

651
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Speaker 2: Which that's a part of being a great quarterback, being

652
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: able to know when your offensive line isn't there, getting

653
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: rid of the ball quick, being able to adjust your

654
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: body according to your injury or whatever. Like Tom was

655
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: hurt all the time. Yeah, and no one knew anything

656
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: because he would adjust his game to how.

657
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Speaker 1: Remember when he ripped up, Yeah, is what this part

658
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: of your thumb?

659
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? Dashed it and they showed it.

660
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, they showed it two weeks later. It was disgusting.

661
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe he played. He played with some crazy stuff.

662
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: You know that TV twelve method. Did you ever by

663
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: week ten? Were you ever feeling good?

664
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Speaker 2: No? There's always some sort of bang or bruise that

665
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: you had, but no, not week ten, Week eight to

666
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: week twelve is like the low period of the NFL.

667
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: Guys are starting to get beat up. The yardage is

668
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: starting to go high, you know, less time to recover

669
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Speaker 2: because of certain games. And we were always on primetime games,

670
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: so we would be in an away game eight o'clock,

671
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Speaker 2: you fly in, you have and the hours get long.

672
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Speaker 2: You know, you fly in, you got a team meeting

673
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: at one o'clock. He got in at five, you got

674
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: a run at two. So that all adds up. And no,

675
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: that was always. But after that week twelve, you started

676
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: sniffing the playoff spot. You started sniffing that uh that

677
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: buye and so you'd get rejolted, you know. But those

678
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: are the those are the those are the biggest dog

679
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: days of the season, eight to like twelve thirteen, because

680
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 2: after that there's light at the end of the tunnel.

681
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: You got something you're going for. They're all important, don't

682
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 2: get it.

683
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: It's July in sports radio. Yeah, by August you can

684
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 1: feel football coming. It starts smelling like football the grass. Yes, July,

685
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: those are dog days. You're coming on a Tuesday. Boys,

686
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: we got no stories. This is where we get paid.

687
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of dog days, how did you My ESPN

688
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: was interesting?

689
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: I always felt like I was a coffee being at Starbucks.

690
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: Nobody knew who I was, so I was a local

691
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: guy and they came and found me in poor and

692
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: a strange story that even this podcast doesn't have time for.

693
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: It was a weird story. It was a snowstorm in

694
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: Portland and some New York radio consultant got stuck there

695
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: and heard me and blah blah blah. And I always

696
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: felt there. It was a gigantic factory and I was

697
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: a coffee bean and it was a great place for me.

698
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: But I did feel at the end it was it

699
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: was a sports factory, and I was tired of putting

700
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: in a shift at the factory and I wanted to

701
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, Fox came and about a year before I left,

702
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, I had you know, they were like, hey,

703
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: if you if you wanted to host a game show

704
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: for another network like stray Hand Aaron Andrews had been

705
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: another networks, they were much more amenable to do more

706
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: things production companies. But it was I'd never been to

707
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: the East Coast, and I love it. I have a

708
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: place in Rhode Island. I love vacationing there. So I

709
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: look at that more than just a job. It was

710
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: where I raised my kids. And it's just a smart, principled,

711
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, not morally flexible people like live a certain

712
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: way and I always really appreciate it as a West

713
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: Coast guy.

714
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I Fox has been a dream to work for.

715
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 2: I mean I've worked with different networks and the amount

716
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: of time and resources they put into everyone that works there, Like,

717
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: it's very flexible. It's all about you going out and

718
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: performing your best, you know, for one hour.

719
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Speaker 1: They don't meddle.

720
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Speaker 2: They don't meddle at all. It's all about the team.

721
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: It's very football oriented, and I think it's because it was,

722
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: you know, pretty much developed by what Terry was part

723
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Speaker 2: of that early part in John Mattin like a lot of.

724
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Speaker 1: The well it's in Los Angeles. Yeah, so it's very

725
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: talent favorable. They've dealt with movie stars, you know, so

726
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: they're very good to athletes and talk show hosts. They

727
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: let you explore, you can make mistakes, they defend you.

728
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: Connecticut's different. Connecticut's like prep schools and accounting firms and

729
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: insurance company exactly a little more restrictive. I could ow

730
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: feel the Disney weight on the company, whereas foxes Hey

731
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: we're in LA. Like this is if you want to

732
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: go home early, it's nice out there's a movie premiere.

733
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Speaker 1: They treat you differently, like they just that's just the

734
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: way they do. They just there's a different culture to it. Also,

735
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Speaker 1: Fox doesn't have the scale of Disney. It's Disney is

736
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: the Marriotte, right, Like it's this gigantic hotel. Fox is

737
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: like a really cool boutique hotel in Santa Monica. Yeah,

738
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: like it's you don't have as much space, but great pool,

739
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: great cocktails.

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00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: Great.

741
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's just a really easy place to work.

742
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: I've said a lot of people have gone ESPN to Fox.

743
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: Not a lot of people go Fox to ESPN. It's

744
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: almost like if you go to New York, there's a

745
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: lot of New Yorkers in LA. If you can make

746
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: money in La, there's no reason to live in that weather, right,

747
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: Like there's you don't go to New York and say, oh,

748
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of blondes. Yeah, like, like you come

749
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: out here, there's a lot of New Yorkers. And I

750
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Speaker 1: think a lot of it is like Fox does sports.

751
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: Right, they do they do, and they I mean they

752
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 2: let you have the volume, which is killing it. Youah, freedom, freedom.

753
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: I got a question, who in the pre podcast era

754
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 2: as a player would be a great podcaster in this

755
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: day and age.

756
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: Well, Muhammad Ali would have been the greatest ever. I mean,

757
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: if you YouTube Muhammad Ali and you go to Muhammad

758
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: Ali's best press conferences, you can't believe it. It's like

759
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: watching Michael Jackson for the first time moonwalk. Yeah, you

760
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: can't believe what he's doing. He's going on these four

761
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: minute soliloquies and You're like, where's the teleprompter. I'm a broadcaster, Like,

762
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: how is he doing this? Like Allie today would be

763
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 1: Renauld look like Ronaldo Rinaldo, good looking, Tom Brady successful,

764
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Speaker 1: and Mahomes talented like he was everything. Yeah, the looks,

765
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: the talk. So I think Ali was born early. He

766
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: would have been amazing. Generally, you know what you'll find.

767
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: You know, podcasting is not broadcasting because when I started

768
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: the volume, my broadcasting instincts were wrong all the time

769
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: in podcasting, just all the time. And it was funny.

770
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm just whiffing on this this

771
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: this So I really like the I'm pretty curious guy.

772
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: I like to I like to make mistakes. I like

773
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: to screw stuff up so I don't do it again.

774
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: So I made a lot of mistakes when I started

775
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: the volume, just thinking it was broadcasting and it's podcasting.

776
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: What you find two things always work with podcasting. Are

777
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: you curious? Joe Rogan's curious, You're curious. Curious people succeed

778
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: and storytellers. That's when when you come on my show.

779
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: One of the things I always say, like, Hey, what

780
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: what do you got? What do you want today? What's

781
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: your best story? Storytelling work?

782
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 2: Nobody, we very rarely go to you give us the

783
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: questions before.

784
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: I don't go to those.

785
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 2: I know I'm sitting there. I go over him for

786
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Speaker 2: like thirty minutes, and then you'll hit me with a

787
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 2: question before we get on and we'll dive into that. Yeah,

788
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 2: I'm authenticities that always I want your best story. Yeah.

789
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Speaker 1: When I speak to young broadcasters, I always say just

790
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Speaker 1: be interesting. Like if you if you pulled a seat

791
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: up to a bar and you sat next to a

792
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Speaker 1: guy for ten minutes and he was right for ten minutes.

793
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Speaker 1: After about ten minutes, you're like, he's kind of obnoxious.

794
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: But if you pulled up to a guy that had

795
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Speaker 1: an eye patch, a hook on his hand and he

796
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: was telling crazy stories. You turn to your buddies and

797
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: go get over here, and you'd stay for two hours. Right,

798
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: is overrated? Interesting is what wins the audience. Be interesting,

799
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Speaker 1: tell stories.

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Speaker 2: The delivery, incredible, the analogies. That's a pro right there,

801
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Speaker 2: This is a pro. I was thinking, like Dennis Rahman

802
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: or something.

803
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: He's a little too out there.

804
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: But if he were to talk the stories he would

805
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: get with the audience.

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00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: I think he would exhaust you. He wouldn't be his detail.

807
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: I think he'd be good for a podcast. What you're

808
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: doing is a podcast business, and so your traits, like

809
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: a quarterback, your traits are you work hard, you're curious,

810
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: you tell stories. That wears well. Anybody can do a

811
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: good podcast. Anybody can come on my show for a spot.

812
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: You come on every week, so the really good people

813
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: can come on every two weeks a week and it's like, God,

814
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: he's good every time. That's a lot of quarterbacks. Tibo

815
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: had a six game winning streak, seven game winning streak,

816
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: like a lot of winning streaks in football that you're like,

817
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: how the hell that happen? Year after if you really

818
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: think about greatness, Kobe Bryant's entire career. You game plan

819
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: to stop him, your best defensive guy on him, trap him,

820
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: get the ball out of his hands. Average thirty, So

821
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Speaker 1: people understand it to be great. I mean, Jesus, all

822
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: you do with Luca is watch film on how to

823
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: stop Luca. You can drop forty to night against the

824
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: world's best basketball players. The difference between great and just,

825
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, really good player, They're just not many of them,

826
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Speaker 1: just not. People spent literally the entire division drafted against

827
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Speaker 1: Tom edge rushers. The whole division was drafting edge rushers

828
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Speaker 1: against Tom. None of it worked for twenty years.

829
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Speaker 2: Would you rather have a six game winning streak or

830
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: circumcise a bunch of kids in Philippines?

831
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 3: Why not both?

832
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: Oh? That's Tim Tebow, Tim Tebow, Tim TiVo. We'll be

833
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: right back after this quick break. Let's go back to

834
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: around January sixth, twenty seven, two thousand and seven. This

835
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: is a segment where we go and we discussed a

836
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Speaker 2: little bit of what was going on around the game.

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Speaker 2: Number one movie was Night at the Museum. You ever

838
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: see that?

839
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Speaker 1: I loved it.

840
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: I never saw it.

841
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: Oh, it's fascinating, Ben still right. Yeah, it's a great

842
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: concept for a movie. Do you ever watch a movie

843
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: and you think, I don't know if the movie is great,

844
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: what a great idea for the movie?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I yeah.

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Speaker 1: If you go to a museum and all the animals

847
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: are come to life, yeah, all the It's like, this

848
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: is a great somebody was high. Somebody was high and

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Speaker 1: just came up with that. I mean, there's no way

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Speaker 1: you did that.

851
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Speaker 3: Or board with their kids at the museum.

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00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just great idea.

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00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: Hey man, half a billion and spawned two sequels.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great trilogy, isn't it. Number one song

855
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: was irreplaceable by Beyonce. I remember this song. It wasn't

856
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: my favorite Beyonce, but it was good. Do you remember

857
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 2: that song?

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00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay. I like Beyonce.

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00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: I like Beyonce. The iPhone debuts, I remember this. I

860
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: went to a Walmart in Wrentham, Ohio, or no where

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Speaker 2: was it. It was Canton, Ohio. There's Amish people like

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00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: Amish people will go to the Walmart. Anytime I was there.

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Speaker 2: This was my first time shopping a Walmart. I was

864
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: a barrier kid. I never seen a Walmart.

865
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

866
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: When I went to Ohio, I started going to Walmart.

867
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: They're pretty bad ass. Have you've ever been? Yeah, And

868
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: every time I would go to this Walmart, there'd be

869
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: amish people and they're like, isn't this like contradicting what

870
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 2: they believe? The kids would be in the video game

871
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: section playing with the video games and stuff. But it

872
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: just brought me back. I went and as I was, huh,

873
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: were they also waiting for I? They were waiting for

874
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 2: I phone.

875
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: Here's how old I am. I remember the first cell phone,

876
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: So you're not old enough to remember. They used to

877
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: be blocks, like a barstool. You were talking on a

878
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: bar stool. So I get one. I'm in Vegas and

879
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: I think, I'm I'm really cool. Do you have a

880
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: holster for it? In my Ford Explorer? Which I got

881
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: an Eddie Bauer bag for buying it, which I had

882
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: for like fifteen.

883
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: That was a badass Ford Explorer. The Eddie Bauer editions,

884
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: those were cool. It was a forest green.

885
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: Mine was red, but they were cool. Yeah, so you

886
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: put this true story. I'm making nothing, probably twelve grand

887
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: a year out of college. You fastened it in right

888
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: by your you know drive shift right, you fastened the

889
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: cell phone. You put it in clocked it in. I

890
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: didn't know the first month. I thought you only got

891
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: charged for calls you make. So I told people call me,

892
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: call me. I was taking calls all day. Oh you

893
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: get charged for those. My first bill was bigger than

894
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: what I made them up.

895
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

896
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: One of the only times in my life I called

897
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: my mom, Mom, I need a couple hundred bucks. She's like,

898
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: you're in Vegas, go gamble, what do you mean it?

899
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I didn't know you got charged for

900
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: incoming calls. And these things were giant in gray.

901
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 2: I remember what what TV show was it on? Was this?

902
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 2: Was it like Miami Vice? There was a TVs Miami

903
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: Vice where they'd always have like the big.

904
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: Old block, That's what it was.

905
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: Or uh or One of the most epic was Wall

906
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: Street with Gordon Getko. That was the best uh in

907
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: the sports world. In two thousand and six, two thousand

908
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: and seven National champions where number two Florida beats the

909
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: Ohio State Buckeyes. Trophy. Heisman Trophy winner was Troy Smith

910
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: who went to Baltimore. YEP, which game was this? Who

911
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: was the Florida State? This was one of those off

912
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: years of Florida State.

913
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 3: I think one of the back to backs. I think

914
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: with Tim Tebow.

915
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a t boat tea.

916
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh this is a Florida Yeah, yes, what it is?

917
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 4: Is it?

918
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: I read Florida State. I was tripping Florida. This is

919
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: with Hernandez, Percy Harvin, all the boys, they were stacked Spikes.

920
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 2: Spikes was the most unathletic looking guy. He had like

921
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 2: such a dadbod that laid the most wood I've ever

922
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: seen in my life. This guy would come down and

923
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: we would watch on set nine on seven practices, which

924
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 2: is the run game. So you know it's a run

925
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: so it's a cheat for the defense. But I would

926
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: sit sometimes and you know, we'd be doing like routes

927
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: and I'd look over and Spikes would just be teeing

928
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: off on the full back. I mean him and James

929
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: Devlin would hit forty, like forty five six times in

930
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 2: a row. I'm talking like six yard sprints where these

931
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: guys were just banging and he would blow guys up.

932
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: He would knock guys. He would knock big old, three

933
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pound linemen back. I mean, he was

934
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: a he could he could lay.

935
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: The wood there are Donald Penn, Remember Donald Penn. No,

936
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: he was an offensive lineman. He had the strangest body

937
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: for the Raider. I didn't even understand it. That guy

938
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: just engulfed people. It's weird. When I first met Teddy Bruski,

939
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the desert storm guy from Arizona. That's

940
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: he brought a briefcase. I'm like, he looks like a

941
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: bulky accountant. Like I mean, Teddy walks in, he looks

942
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: like he looks like a he looks like a middleweight.

943
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: Boxer who dropped a bunch of weight.

944
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: Though, Okay, because I'm telling you.

945
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: Because Teddy was, he was. You got to look at

946
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 2: his neck when he was nasty, nasty.

947
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: He's one of the He's one of the five to

948
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: six best college players I've ever seen. You could not

949
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: block him at Arizona.

950
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: People don't realize he was defensive lineman.

951
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: You couldn't block him, undersized, could not get in front

952
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: of him. He was an incredible football player. Yeah, Teddy

953
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: Dick told me desert storm. They called it that defense.

954
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: My first day at New England in OTA's when the

955
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: Vets came, Teddy was on punt team. Like that's how

956
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: teddy was. He was practicing. I was on the punt team.

957
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: He was on the punt return team, and I had

958
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 2: to do a stab technique on him, and I touched him,

959
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: Like that's the you have to stab the technique and

960
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: then once the receiver makes you, Yeah, it makes you.

961
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: And after that rep, he looked at me and said, hey, rookie,

962
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: you ever touched me? And I'm gonna cut your fucking

963
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: arm off. So I had to go the next rep

964
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: with them. I'm sitting there, I'm stabbing the air behind

965
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 2: him because I need. I need to let the coaches

966
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: know that I know what I'm doing for film because

967
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: they're gonna bitch at me if I don't. And it

968
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: was just crazy. I never touched him again. I never

969
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: touched him.

970
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: Guy.

971
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: Oh he was he eat nails. Super Bowl champions Where

972
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: the cold was?

973
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: I got clarification that was Chris Leak was the starting quarterback,

974
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 3: but Tim Tebow had two touchdowns.

975
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, Leak was the undersized guy. Yeah, undersized guy.

976
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: Ye ye.

977
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: Leak is a classic college not a pro player, A

978
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: really good college player. He had a sweet spiral. Yeah,

979
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: Charlie Ward had that, Like that's a great college player.

980
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: Charlie Ward. Super Bowl champions were the Colts. This is

981
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: when the Colt We had Ernie on and he talked

982
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: about the AFC Championship between the Pats and the Colts.

983
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 2: This year was the Super Bowl. They were up twenty

984
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: one to six at halftime, and then the next year

985
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: they go and get Randy Wes. They were pissed about

986
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: that whole thing. LT was the MVP Ladanian Thomason. Miami

987
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: Dolphins head coach Nick Saban resigns in the middle of

988
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: a season right after returning to take the Alabama head

989
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 2: coach job. That was crazy.

990
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: If he gets Drew Brees, if he gets medical clearance,

991
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: he never coaches Alabama. He tried to get Drew Brees

992
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: and the doctors would not allow it. The Saints doctors

993
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: cleared him. If not, he never. The greatest college football

994
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: dynasty never materializes. He does not take that job because

995
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: Nick would have won with Drew Brees. He actually, if

996
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: you go back to his Miami tenure, he made a difference.

997
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: He just didn't have the quarterback, which is you know

998
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: that's I mean, is Bill Belichick's proving that's the sport,

999
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: that's the league, that's the league. Gotta have the guy.

1000
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: Andy Reid's one of the few guys that won at

1001
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: the highest level with the average quarterback play. That's like

1002
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: it it's hard. Yeah, I mean McMahon was okay, it

1003
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: was fine.

1004
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 2: It's fine Smith at the end. He was a good

1005
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 2: game manager.

1006
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: But it's hard to get to NFC championships repeatedly.

1007
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was a soft division. Then I still

1008
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: have a take that I think Bill owns Andy Reid.

1009
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: It depends on the culture. I've made the argument.

1010
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: Because but you got to look at every time we

1011
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: played them, even when they had their highest of the

1012
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: high of the offense, we always had a great defensive

1013
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 2: plan and then we you know, you can run up.

1014
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: You got to run the ball against I would say, Tom, Yeah, Tom, Tom,

1015
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: I mean good that Tom. That overtime game, you guys

1016
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 1: got the coin flip.

1017
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we that that defense. Like our defense in the

1018
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 2: first half shut them out. Yeah, you know, and you know,

1019
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: look some of those calls. And then even the next

1020
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: year when I think Stidham went in there and they

1021
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: battled them, they could have they held them zero points

1022
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: in the first half or until the fourth quarter.

1023
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,959
Speaker 1: Well, the best two coaches last twenty years or Andy

1024
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: and Bill. Yeah, one offense, a play designer, you know,

1025
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: one's the smartest defensive coach of all time.

1026
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you remember the Statue Liberty game? Oh, Boise

1027
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: State beat Soklue.

1028
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm from the Northwest. Boise State was always this little

1029
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: I always used to tell people like, and you're in

1030
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve, don't schedule Boise State. No, it's your

1031
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: their super Bowl. You know, it's like, just don't do it.

1032
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: Not even that though at this by this time, Boise

1033
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: State was good because I was in Juco and they

1034
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: were recruiting me really hard. They were taking a lot

1035
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: of Juco guys which were bounced backs from Florida TRICC.

1036
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: And then they were get. They were get like Pac

1037
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 2: twelve recruits playing in the whack. Yes, you know, and.

1038
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: Well coach very well, Chris Peterson.

1039
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: Chris Peterson, we did Zimbronski and we had Adrian Peterson

1040
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: to talk about that game. I mean that was these

1041
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: last like these three years of college football with this

1042
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 2: USC in Texas, Like this seven, college football was at

1043
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: its best.

1044
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: I think it wasn't regional. You had a great Western team, Yes,

1045
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: Texas SEC. Everybody was playing.

1046
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 2: Everyone was playing. That was the guy I proposed to

1047
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: his girlfriend afterwards.

1048
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: We have a whole scoring system. We'll get to it

1049
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 3: at the end of the show. I still stand by that.

1050
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 3: I think this is the greatest football game ever played.

1051
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: USC Texas is way up there. Yeah, it was so

1052
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: weird with a Reggie Bush lateral. That's I was there.

1053
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: That's one of the great game. I'll tell you I

1054
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: went this year. I went to Oregon Washington in Seattle.

1055
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: The missfield goal. That's the second best college football game

1056
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: I've ever been too live. It was on Mott Lake.

1057
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: It was insane. Every play felt like it mattered. First series,

1058
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: felt like you were in the fourth quarter. Couldn't hear yourself?

1059
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: Think those are great rivals up there. Two pro quarterbacks,

1060
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: like ten offensive players are pros, like just stacked.

1061
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: I think the only thing that the Statue Liberty Game

1062
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: has on that USC Texas game is the David Versus Goliath.

1063
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: Oh there's no question.

1064
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah that was still David versus Goliath.

1065
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 3: You can never call Texas David. It's Texas.

1066
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: Vince Young's maybe the best high school football player in

1067
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: American history. If you ever watched Vince Young's high school

1068
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: highlights on your Oh I haven't. He looks like a

1069
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: twelve year NFL veteran playing against junior high schoolers. And

1070
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm talking Texas high end football. He is. He is

1071
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: bigger than all the defensive linemen and faster than the receivers.

1072
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: Oh. Cam was the same way though, Cam Newton.

1073
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: Go watch the LSU Auburn game with Caminet. He is

1074
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: running over linebackers. LSU linebacker running over them. Defensive ends

1075
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: steph Armingham.

1076
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: The first day I met him, when he came in

1077
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: to our facility, he looked like a defensive end. Yea

1078
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: like he was. He's legitimately one of the most impressive

1079
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 2: specimen humans, like just as far as how broad he is,

1080
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: how big he is, he's still lean like he's like

1081
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: a freak human.

1082
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: Like a thirty seven inch waist, and his cut cut

1083
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: like he's like a lumberjack. He's not built like human.

1084
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: No, I mean he's he was fun to play with, Kyler.

1085
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 2: Let's set the stage for this game. Let's hit the

1086
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys first.

1087
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 3: So the two thousand and six Dallas Cowboys had a

1088
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: nine to seven record and were head coached by Bill Parcels.

1089
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: This was his last season as a head coach, and

1090
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 3: this game that we're doing was his last game as

1091
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 3: a head coach as well. It is a season of

1092
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 3: bitter endings and hopeful new beginnings too arrived in the offseason.

1093
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 3: Also the most accuratecker in NFL hist at the time,

1094
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 3: as Mike Vanderjack came in. However, he did not finish

1095
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 3: it with Martina Jamatica. It was also a start of

1096
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: the Tony Romo era that he took over halfway through

1097
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 3: the season for a Drew Bledsoe kind of His last

1098
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 3: play was an interception in the second quarter of some

1099
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: Week six game. We actually just had Drew Bledsoe in.

1100
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 2: Great wine, great wine, double back, great prototypical. First, overall,

1101
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: he can still throw. We went through the ball in

1102
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 2: the backyard.

1103
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Drews and it looks like he's number one.

1104
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: He like he is like John Elway.

1105
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 2: He picks up a ball. And then Brady used to

1106
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: talk about this, like because Brady likes his balls a

1107
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: certain this that you know what I mean, Bloodsall could

1108
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 2: pick up any ball and just whip it because he

1109
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: had these big, just country fed white boy hands that

1110
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 2: like looks like he should be picking up Hay or something.

1111
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: He just exactly what you said what your number one

1112
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 2: pick should look like.

1113
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 3: And then so this team wants Tony took over. They

1114
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 3: won five out of the six of the Tony Roma's

1115
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 3: first starts. They stumbled a little bit down the stretch,

1116
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 3: and we'll get to that. We also just like talking

1117
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 3: dudes naming dudes. The dudes on this team was Drew Bledsoe,

1118
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 3: Tony Romo, Jason Witten flows out of the hotel Floseel Adams,

1119
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 3: Roy Williams, Miles Austin, DeMarcus Ware, and Terry Glenn.

1120
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 2: Also a studied Terrence Newman too. He was a badass Newman.

1121
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: A studded coaching staff of just future head coaches. We'll

1122
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about later, but that's the two thousand.

1123
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: And six Cowboys. Well, you remember about this era of Cowboys, the.

1124
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: Emergence of Romo. I mean, I grew up with Stallbauch,

1125
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: Danny White, Troy Aikman. They bounce around and then they

1126
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: find their Romo and it was you know, it's pretty

1127
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: rare that a big brand like the Cowboys get an

1128
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: undrafted quarterback. Yeah, you know, usually a team like the Cowboys,

1129
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: it's such a big brand that you would have the

1130
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: quarterback ready to go, or you just go buy one

1131
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: right like to for the Cowboys, that'd be like the

1132
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: Yankees best player being in like a fortieth round shortstop.

1133
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 1: Like you're the Yankees, you figured they'll just go buy

1134
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: a clean up hitter. So the Romos are real for

1135
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: their brand. I mean most of their best players have

1136
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: been like free agents or first rounders or Micah and

1137
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: CD and all of a sudden, it's like you know

1138
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: that O line for years that was all first round picks,

1139
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith, Tony's undrafted. That's something like the Jaguars would

1140
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: get the Panthers right or but it's to be the

1141
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: America's quarterback of note. And you played at a tiny

1142
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: school most people can't find on a map. It's pretty remarkable.

1143
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: Tony had a good career.

1144
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: He did. He had a very good He was exciting.

1145
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: I remember when he came in. He was just you know,

1146
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 2: he was a jolt of energy for them. He was

1147
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 2: making those athletic plays where he's ducking down. Guys would

1148
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: over tackle him. He'd pop his head up and find

1149
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: a guy down the field like he always I just

1150
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: always remember he was kind of a shorter guy, but

1151
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: he uses athleticism in the pocket, and he had like

1152
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: a flare with him were he was really good outside

1153
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: the pocket. And he was good at making a play

1154
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: within the play by manipulating defensive guys in the pocket,

1155
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: stepping up, sliding, and then finding the second play.

1156
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: I always feel Joe Burrow is a more disciplined Tony Romo.

1157
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: They looked they were the same number. They look alike,

1158
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: the play alike. Joe's just a little more not mechanical,

1159
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: a little more efficient. Tony's a little more instinct go

1160
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: with a gut. But there's a lot of similarities Tony's,

1161
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, Joe's great. Tony on his best days was

1162
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: a highlight film.

1163
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: He was really good. He was really good. Wasn't it

1164
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: weird kind of seeing Parcels as the head coach? Did

1165
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: you think that was weird? Well, I remember this whole

1166
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: thing happened.

1167
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: Only two cowboy coaches of work three in my lifetime, Landry,

1168
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: Jimmy and Parcels. The latter two had Jerry as the owner.

1169
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: The ironic part is Jimmy and Parcels are exactly what

1170
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: the cowboys need as a coach and Jerry didn't like it.

1171
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: They need a strong willed, defiant architect that knows the

1172
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: game that pushes back on Jerry. Jerry tends to hire

1173
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: people that need him. Jason Garrett his first job. McCarthy

1174
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: was out of work, chan Gaily. You know, Jerry tends

1175
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: to hire people that need him. Parcels and Jimmy didn't

1176
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: two best coaches they've ever had, and I just don't

1177
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: think Jerry Jerry likes you. You know, the Cowboys usually

1178
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: have the highest percentage of players on their roster that

1179
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: they drafted, and there is something about the Cowboys sometimes

1180
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: come off as like a family business, like the local

1181
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: general store in a very corporate league. But it's I

1182
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: always feel like Parcels and Jimmy, that's what they should have,

1183
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 1: and Jerry just can't. It doesn't work for very long.

1184
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: So they go twelve and five this year. I think

1185
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: they step back. They don't have a running game and

1186
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: so they'll be much more Dak dependent.

1187
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: They go eleven and five this year, only ten and seven.

1188
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 2: They do ten and seven.

1189
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: I don't think they make the playoffs.

1190
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 2: They don't make the playoffs.

1191
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: No, I think they're very thin at receiver and running back.

1192
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: I think they'll be more Dak reliant. I think the

1193
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: NFC the last two years has been down. The Packers

1194
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: are ready to go. The Rams are not going to rebuild. Oh,

1195
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 1: Chicago's good. Like I mean, if Arizona is a five

1196
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: win team, that's a good five win team. They got,

1197
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: like some dudes. They can they can be, they can compete.

1198
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 2: They do they got. So what about Belichick going there

1199
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 2: next year? Yeah?

1200
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: I could see that, Yeah they would. Again, they would

1201
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: need a strong coach who's defiant, a great architect, a

1202
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: culture builder, and it'll work for about three years and

1203
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: then what happened and then Bill will be like Bill

1204
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: will get them is to the highest level. I I

1205
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: argue it's about time to move off Dak. Dak's good,

1206
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: you can't pay him great. One thing we know doesn't

1207
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: work in this league to have a good quarterback that

1208
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: you pay great. You can win with a rookie quarterback

1209
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: and a rookie deal. You can win with a great

1210
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: quarterback taking a bit of a pay cut. You can't

1211
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: be a B plus quarterback and get paid A plus.

1212
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: You're out of the Super Bowl bubble. And I think

1213
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: Bill knows that better than anybody. And I think they'll

1214
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: figure out a way to redraft re sign the quarterback

1215
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: position and pay a quarterback along the lines of that,

1216
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: either a young guy little money or an older guy

1217
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: more reasonable money.

1218
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 2: You don't think they're gonna Are they gonna re up

1219
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 2: Dak this year? You think? I don't.

1220
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna let it go, and then they're

1221
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: gonna go get a coach and the coach will sit

1222
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: down with Jerry, and the coach can be the bad guy.

1223
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: Jerry doesn't want to be the bad guy.

1224
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, let's break down these before Yeah, before we

1225
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 2: move on from Dallas, I just want to mention some

1226
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: of these coaches on this staff.

1227
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 3: So Sean Payton, he just left the year prior. On

1228
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 3: this team is running backs coach Anthony Lynn, Mike Zimmer's

1229
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 3: back Mike Zimmers defensive coordinator. Secondary coach is Todd Bowles

1230
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 3: wide receivers and passing game coordinators Todd.

1231
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: Hayley tight ends coach running Freddy.

1232
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 3: Kitchens offensive line and running game coordinator is Tony Sperano.

1233
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 2: Pretty good, all right, pe Sperano. We used to battle

1234
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 2: him and he's Miami a bunch. We's had a good

1235
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,959
Speaker 2: plan let's get into the Seattle Seahawks. KAI.

1236
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 3: So two thousand and six Seattle Seahawks. We still have

1237
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 3: a few years left in the Mike holgrim era at

1238
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 3: this point. This is a Seahawks team that was hoping

1239
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 3: to build off their Super Bowl run the year prior,

1240
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 3: in which they went thirteen to three.

1241
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 4: UH.

1242
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 3: They signed Nate Elson in the offseason. They gave him

1243
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 3: the bag. They traded for Dion Branch after Week one,

1244
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 3: and they were looking to give Matt house back some

1245
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 3: weapons and hoping that they could do another Super Bowl run,

1246
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 3: maybe get over the hump. Unfortunately, for this season, nine

1247
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 3: offensive player, nine offensive players miss games. Sean Alexander, who

1248
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 3: also got a bag, got bit a little bit by

1249
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,919
Speaker 3: the Maddens. We buying the Madden curse, Not.

1250
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 2: Really, it was didn't stop after Patrick or something.

1251
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 3: I think it's dead now for sure. It was there,

1252
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: It was there. It might have been.

1253
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: This team couldn't stay healthy.

1254
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 3: No Matt hasseback. You has mentioned this four games with

1255
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 3: an mcl sprand so Seneca Wallace had to step in,

1256
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 3: who also had a reception in this game.

1257
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 5: This playoff game, we had the same agent. They picked

1258
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 5: Don Ye. He pitched me like you could be like

1259
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 5: a Seneca. You can play it quarterback receiver. It's like,

1260
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 5: now you have Tom Brady, bro I'm signing with you.

1261
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 3: So this team finished nine and seven after starting four

1262
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 3: and one. And also just want to mention the Shohn Alexander.

1263
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 3: The previous year he was MVP. He rushed for eighteen

1264
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 3: and eighty yards and twenty seven total touchdowns. A couple

1265
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 3: of dudes, Nico Couda Vides is on this team.

1266
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: And Totufu yeah eis in Foxboroughs Still his dad was

1267
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 2: like one of the first Patriots.

1268
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 3: Also on this team, Walter Jones, Marcus Trufont, Dion Branch,

1269
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 3: Nate Person, Shohn Alexander, Jeremy Stevens won a big game.

1270
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: I always remember, I'm always coming up with those cover

1271
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: twos like he like they hit in this game, big

1272
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 2: tight end down the middle of field. When they were

1273
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 2: running those Tampa twos all the time, Steven's used to

1274
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 2: catch a lot of those.

1275
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: He was a Husky, great high school player in the

1276
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: Olympia area. I followed his whole career. He had some

1277
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: stuff off the field, but he was a huge high

1278
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: school recruit. He was a great player, a big guy,

1279
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: long fast, like a physical Jimmy Graham. If Jimmy Graham

1280
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: blocked and was tougher, that's what he was.

1281
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 2: Wow. What do you think of this Mike homegrown era

1282
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks.

1283
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: Well, Mike is really smart. Mike has an Andy Reid

1284
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: quality where he's not only a coach, but he's a mentor.

1285
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: You know, his coaching trees impressive and I always thought,

1286
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, Mike Holmgren's one of the old school coaches

1287
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Speaker 1: that may have been born too early. He'd be great today.

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01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: He'd be great today. His era was mostly you were

1289
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: allowed to grab and pull and jam, and you know,

1290
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: he grew up in an era where all the rules

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01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: lean defense. Mike Holmgren is one of the older coach

1292
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: is that. I think if you put him in today,

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01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: he would be Andy Reid. He was super clever, great

1294
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: multiple offenses. Those Seahawks teams did not have Super Bowl rosters.

1295
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: They had a super Bowl coach. I mean, if you

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01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: go back to that Seahawk team that made the Sea,

1297
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: they had some really nice offensive pieces, but not one

1298
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: of the more impressive Super Bowl rosters was.

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Speaker 2: The twelve man thing. There.

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01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: When you were a kid, well, it was always Husky

1301
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: Stadium was always one of the loudest stadiums, and the

1302
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: Kingdom was always loud because of the reverbs. So Seattle

1303
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: was always known as just a really loud place. And again,

1304
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: I always feel like in Seattle, because we're so isolated

1305
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: in the Pacific Northwest, we always feel like we have

1306
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: to prove that we love sports, and so I you know,

1307
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: there were a lot of local breweries. You come in lubricated.

1308
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: It was tailgating central. We only got good weather briefly,

1309
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: so when you got it in the early fall, you know,

1310
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: you went on the boat, you came up to the

1311
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: games at the Husky Stadium. Seattle's always been just a

1312
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: great football town with a really raucous, lively engaged fan base.

1313
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: Mount rush More of Seattle Seahawks, then Large, Steve Largent, Large,

1314
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: he was godfather.

1315
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 3: A lot of similar how they play. We just have

1316
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup here and we were talking.

1317
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: About that's a good question, Steve Largent. I love Cortez Kennedy.

1318
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 2: Cortez Kennedy with years, wasn't wasn't.

1319
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: Cortez there for years?

1320
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 2: I loved him.

1321
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: Shawn Alexander's probably on it. I mean let's be honest.

1322
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 3: Richard Sherman, Sherman, Tam Chanceller, go Hokies, Cortez Kennedy, Yeah,

1323
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:28,479
Speaker 3: he was there.

1324
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 2: I thought he was so good.

1325
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:35,959
Speaker 1: I would say, oh no, no, Steve Largent, Walter Jones. Boy,

1326
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I think Shawn Alexander has to

1327
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: be on it.

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01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 2: Do you put home Grin in there just because he

1329
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 2: got him to a Super Bowl?

1330
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: No? Because Pete Carroll did as well. Marshawn Lynch, God,

1331
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: there's so many good defensive players. Marshawn Lynch is.

1332
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 2: It's some really good defense alignment.

1333
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: Yes, Richard Sherman's really close.

1334
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 3: Earl Thomas, I put Richard.

1335
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: Richard was a bigger personality. Also, he made so many

1336
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: big plays as a cornerback. He really defined late round

1337
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: pick overlooked. He was the Pete Carroll team. That's a

1338
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: great question. Seattle's Mount Rushmore. Hell, I could put Jim

1339
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: Zorn on it. So left handed cornerback. I mean it

1340
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: was so funny. Tampa Bay and Seattle were expansion teams.

1341
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: Tampa couldn't score, Seattle couldn't tackle. If you had combined him,

1342
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: you had a playoff team. Seattle had Sherman Smith, Jim Zorn,

1343
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: Steve Largent. They were wild games, but Largent was their

1344
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: first really elite all time player.

1345
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1346
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 3: Jim Zorn was quarterback coach of the Seahawks team.

1347
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, and a really decent guy, nice guy.

1348
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, kay, let's break down this game, all right?

1349
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 2: For the league game lead up.

1350
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 3: This was two nine to seventeens looking to get hot,

1351
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 3: maybe catch some fire, go to the Super Bowl. Neither

1352
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 3: of them really were going into the playoffs very hot,

1353
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 3: but they made it in and they were hopes were

1354
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 3: still alive. There was some real pressure on Bill Parcells

1355
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 3: to do something after missing two years of the playoffs

1356
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 3: and all that, you know, cowboys energy. Each team lost

1357
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 3: three of their last four games.

1358
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 2: Homegren own the tuna. He got him in the Super Bowl.

1359
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 2: I forgot about that.

1360
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Speaker 1: You're talking about great coaches, and it's they're very similar,

1361
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: and that they were both high on wisdom, good teachers.

1362
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: Now now Homegren isn't as New Jersey cranky, not as

1363
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: sort of uh smart assy as Parcels. You know, Parcel's

1364
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: got he's he's got like Belichick. He's got an East

1365
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 1: Coast edge to him. Homegren more Midwest sense of humor.

1366
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: But like comparing Andy Reid and build like different sensibilities

1367
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: a little bit.

1368
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 2: I feel like Andy Reid and Homegren are very similar.

1369
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, teacher teachers, but even just their their demeanor. Like

1370
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: it's funny if you look at Belichick's coaching three. I've

1371
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,839
Speaker 1: always theorized this proximity to brilliance doesn't make it brilliance.

1372
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: Proximity to wisdom does make you wise. So Andy and

1373
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: Holmgren offer wisdom and coaches can take that and use that.

1374
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: Bill's just brilliant. I could work next to Einstein. I'll

1375
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: never be smarter, right, Like Bill literally was a super brain,

1376
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: and that's why a lot of his assistants. You can't

1377
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: take Bill's brilliance, his day to day situational brilliance, and

1378
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 1: you can't duplicate it. But you could take a really

1379
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: good teacher, you know, like a lot of the great

1380
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: athletes aren't great coaches.

1381
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true, right, that's true. I mean if you

1382
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 2: look at these two coaching trees, I mean these are

1383
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 2: like the trees where all the trees, all the branches

1384
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 2: they can come from. I mean it's really Bill Walsh

1385
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: and Parcels and Homegren comes down and then he creates

1386
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 2: his But yeah, like, these are the two different systems

1387
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 2: right here. It's could you argue, are you anyone else?

1388
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: No? I think home breun parcels Bill Walsh. I think

1389
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: Andy Reid's become that. I think he's got a really

1390
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: good tree. But there's a teaching proposition to you know,

1391
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: was Bill teaching or Bill just smart? I mean, obviously

1392
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: Ernie Adams almost had some educational qualities, Like he was

1393
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: more wisdom, right like, because of his experience. But maybe,

1394
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 1: by the way, maybe that's why Bill leaned on him.

1395
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: Bill had this high IQ, but sometimes wanted that sort

1396
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: of almost abuncular uncle smart uncle experienced wisdom. He sought wisdom.

1397
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: Bill smart enough to know what he didn't know or

1398
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: what he couldn't see. It's not that Bill didn't know stuff,

1399
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: but sometimes when you're kind of in the authoritarian chair,

1400
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: people don't always give you honest feedback, right like, and

1401
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: Ernie could give him really honest feedback. Ernie didn't need him,

1402
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: Ernie didn't you know, he didn't owe Ernie anything like.

1403
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: Bill and Ernie's relationship is the perfect kind where one

1404
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: guy's rich, powerful, in control of it, but he's smart

1405
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: enough to know Ernie's the one guy that doesn't need me.

1406
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: He'll be the most honest to me, and that's that's

1407
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: a hard thing to get when you're in control and power.

1408
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. Like I said, I agree

1409
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 2: with a lot of his takes.

1410
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that to be true. That's just what

1411
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: it feels like to me. Don't you think the more

1412
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: power people have, Like, if you were a president and

1413
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 1: higher device president, what you'd really want is somebody that

1414
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: was honest with you. You wouldn't necessarily need the smartest

1415
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 1: person because they may be intimidated or challenged.

1416
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 2: You gotta have a no guy.

1417
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: You gotta have a no guy. Bernie could be a

1418
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: no guy exactly.

1419
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 3: There's a parallel here with the end of the Patriots

1420
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 3: dynasty in Belichick with kind of bringing in people like

1421
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 3: Matt Patricia and like, maybe not the best role for

1422
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 3: an offensive coordinator, but maybe there's a trust factor there

1423
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 3: to that. So maybe there is a downside to that,

1424
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 3: Maybe there is an upside to that, but something to consider.

1425
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have another time for that one. We'll have

1426
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 2: another time for that one. Now, let's break down the game.

1427
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 3: Kai Oh so here's the game on the college we

1428
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, John Madden and Al Michaels. Referee was Walt Anderson,

1429
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 3: but you wanted to specifically mention also forty four.

1430
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 2: He was like Cloudy Stickler. He always had relationships with

1431
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 2: certain refs. Walt was the type of guy he just

1432
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 2: didn't want he you know, it's a give take thing. Hey,

1433
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 2: how you doing? And then you feel it if you

1434
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 2: could bark at him, he wouldn't let you bark. He's

1435
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 2: a principal. Yeah, there's some guys that just like that.

1436
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 2: My bad cutting you off, Kyler.

1437
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 3: No, you're good. First half was a battlefield goals two

1438
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 3: from Seattle from Josh Brown and a fifty yarder from Martandramatica.

1439
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 3: But there was a late late half drive. Tony Romo

1440
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 3: punched it in with Patrick Creighton for a touchdown to

1441
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 3: put Dallas up ten to six and a half.

1442
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 2: These last two minutes were crazy. Those last like four

1443
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 2: minutes are crazy. What do you think about when you

1444
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 2: think of this game other than the fumbled two.

1445
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 1: Beat up really flawed teams that put on a classic

1446
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: television showcase. It's classic NFL. They were not great teams.

1447
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: They didn't play well down the stretch, but gave you

1448
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: a wildly entertaining game. Iconic coaches, underrated quarterbacks, crazy environment.

1449
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: That's why the NFL is king. You don't need great

1450
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: teams to have dramatic games. It was situationally wild. It

1451
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 1: wasn't a clean game. It was just great television.

1452
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 2: Very wild. I mean, ninety three yard kickoff returned touchdown

1453
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 2: by Miles Miles Austin, yep. Like if you do that,

1454
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 2: you're like percentages of winning are like ninety four percent.

1455
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 3: So let's kind of get into the last eight minutes

1456
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 3: because I think that's really where the bulk of this

1457
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 3: game kind of happened. Seattle was trailing twenty to thirteen.

1458
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,600
Speaker 3: Hausbec goes to the end zone and gets a pass interference.

1459
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 3: The ball's on the one, but they can't punch it in.

1460
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 3: There's a turnover on this spot. Remember that spot. I

1461
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 3: don't the witting spot. It would have been a first down.

1462
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 3: That's why they had to kick the field goal. They

1463
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 3: gave him the first they gave him the first down. Yeah,

1464
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 3: and they took it away.

1465
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. It really wasn't conclusive after I watched it, because

1466
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 2: where he caught the ball, It's where he caught the ball,

1467
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 2: it looked like it was over and it was kind

1468
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 2: of rigged. I feel the NFL is scripted.

1469
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 3: I don't know about rig but it's hard to overturn

1470
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 3: a spot in that moment when on the field they

1471
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 3: overturns down. It probably was short, but was there enough

1472
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 3: there to overturn it?

1473
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 2: This is still pre keep going.

1474
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 3: So that was the last that was a part of

1475
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 3: the play right before because I was a fourth down

1476
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,839
Speaker 3: that led to the box snap, but before that the safety.

1477
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 3: So then with six minutes left, six minutes forty two

1478
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 3: seconds left, Dallas takes over on the one and we

1479
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 3: have a Terry Glenn fumble that goes out back of

1480
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 3: the end zone for a safety. It looked like it

1481
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 3: might have been a touchdown, but one of the players,

1482
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 3: while he's touching it barely I think it was, he

1483
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 3: said out a bound, So it was a safety and

1484
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 3: not a touchdown. And then Seattle stops Dallas. And then

1485
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 3: with five minutes forty five seconds left, Matt hassebec leads

1486
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 3: Seattle downfield and hits Jeremy Stevens down the middle fourth

1487
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 3: thirty seven year touchdown.

1488
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 2: They go for two, which you had thoughts on Yeah.

1489
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 2: So if you looked at their fourth down play when

1490
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 2: they lost it on the one yard line Seattle. I

1491
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 2: hate when teams cut off the middle of the field

1492
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 2: in like a low red area play like I gotta

1493
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 2: have it play. Yeah. So like on the two point conversion,

1494
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 2: they were running like a drag and they were flooding

1495
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 2: the zone over on the right. So if the defense

1496
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 2: has everyone over there, there's no there's no backside look,

1497
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,799
Speaker 2: there's nothing there for you to do, so you're cutting

1498
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 2: off half of the field. They did the same thing

1499
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 2: on the two point play, Like I just I didn't

1500
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 2: understand it.

1501
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 3: So they missed the two point, leaving the door open

1502
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 3: only going up twenty one to twenty. So with four

1503
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 3: minutes eighteen seconds left, Tony Roma takes over a little

1504
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 3: bit opportunity to be a hero. There's an eight play,

1505
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 3: three minute and ten second drive down to the Seattle two,

1506
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 3: which was as you mentioned before that Jason Witten looks

1507
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 3: like a first down might not a first down, challenge

1508
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 3: the spots for moves with fourth down, and that's when

1509
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 3: the infamous Tony Romo bought snap. If you want to

1510
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 3: talk through that play a little bit, we were talking

1511
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 3: about it earlier.

1512
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 2: I mean, when you watch the play, he looked like

1513
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 2: he got a case of the yips. It looks like

1514
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 2: he didn't call fire, because I'm sure they have a

1515
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 2: fire play whenever there's a bodd snap like you practice

1516
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 2: this on Friday practices, like, all right, guys, let's run

1517
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 2: the fire drill. And then for a second I thought

1518
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 2: he was going to get in. When I remember watching

1519
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 2: this as a kid, I was like, he's going to

1520
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 2: run it in. I thought he was going to run

1521
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 2: it in.

1522
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it is kind of your vintage Romo that

1523
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: he screws up and is so athletic. He almost makes

1524
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: the play of the year for the Cowboy. That's so tony.

1525
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 3: He didn't even need the score, he just needed to

1526
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 3: get the first down too. I think the real question

1527
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 3: here we were talking about earlier during our prep was

1528
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 3: why was Tony Romo even still the holder at this

1529
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 3: point of the season.

1530
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 2: This kind of revolutionized the game because this is the

1531
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 2: last time you really saw backup quarterbacks holding the the

1532
01:16:59,080 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 2: field goal.

1533
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 1: Plus analytics has moved, you know, the pat is now harder.

1534
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,919
Speaker 1: Analytics have come in, so the traditional pat just doesn't

1535
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: it's so much has changed for just a simple play

1536
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: that used to be a go get a beer at

1537
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: the fridge play, like the short field goal, like the

1538
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: pat now like has drama. So what they're doing to

1539
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: the kickoff rule, the NFL figures out where you know

1540
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: these this was is usually in my life, that's a

1541
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent game winning kick that just that ends it.

1542
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: And so with that failure, it makes people reevaluate situationally

1543
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: what you're doing with a quarterback taking the snap, which

1544
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: is weird. You have all that if you think about it,

1545
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 1: it's a precision play. You have all this energy, you're

1546
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 1: on cloud nine. You're probably the worst guy I want

1547
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 1: taking a snap when I want guy that is just like,

1548
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: come off the sidelines, ready to go. That's all I do.

1549
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 1: Tony's got a million things going through his head. He's tired,

1550
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 1: he's exhausted. Now he's got to get down to a

1551
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: special team situation and crappy weather. It's tougher than you think.

1552
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 2: No, it's very I was a backup holder. It's it's

1553
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 2: very tough the holder and kicker or the kicker, and

1554
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 2: now that the punter usually holds for the field goal

1555
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 2: guy or the field goal kicker and and those guys

1556
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 2: are practicing that operation all day long, like so they

1557
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: could they know how to snap it. The snapper knows

1558
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 2: how to snap it to where the laces are in

1559
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 2: the right area for the hand of the holder. Like

1560
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 2: that's how precise it is nowadays. It's just I mean,

1561
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 2: this is it's crazy to see a backup quarterback or

1562
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 2: now you're starting quarterback, even a quarterback holding it. And

1563
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 2: this wasn't even that far far along. You are you

1564
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 2: Seehawks fans still not really now.

1565
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: Really, I'm kind of a show the most.

1566
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 2: In the show fan. What's best for the show.

1567
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: It's best for the show.

1568
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 2: They're not.

1569
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: They have a rookie coach, a new staff, we don't

1570
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 1: know him. Gino is sort of a guy. So they're not.

1571
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 1: They're not. You know the teams that Kansas City, Baltimore

1572
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: with Lamar people love them or don't Barbaugh now, Niners,

1573
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: Eagles with Saquon, Cowboys, Brand Packers with Jordan love. You know,

1574
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: there's there's seven or eight teams that are more interesting.

1575
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: Then you get into the Seattle's Tennessee's. I mean, Seattle

1576
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: can win eight games and they're still still sort of nondescription.

1577
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you walk us through this play? What was

1578
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: going through your mind when you're watching this actual play?

1579
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: Well, I thought I at the time I was in

1580
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: this game, I wanted the Seahawks. You know, at this point,

1581
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, yeah, I'd like the Seahawks to win. You know,

1582
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: my friends are Seahawks fans, and I thought, uh, that's

1583
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 1: a bummer. You know again, in that era, that was

1584
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: just you were gonna make it. I can remember just

1585
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: being like, because I always love Parcels, I can just

1586
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: remember thinking, Jesus, has that ever happened before? Is that

1587
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 1: in the history of football? That ever happened? The snap

1588
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: is good, it's caught, then it's bobbled. It's a very

1589
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: unique play.

1590
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 2: And if you watch him right before the play, Parcels,

1591
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 2: he's like yelling like it's not over yet, Like he.

1592
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: Oh, he's animated on the sideline. Oh we're not seeing

1593
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,759
Speaker 1: it here. But I remember the game he was barking,

1594
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: oh yeah.

1595
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 3: And what gets lost in the sauce a little bit

1596
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 3: with people remembering this game is there was a moment

1597
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,680
Speaker 3: after this, there was about a minute left Dallas was

1598
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 3: they want to stop Seattle. It was a bad punt

1599
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 3: and they actually had a helmet.

1600
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they had a really good Hail Mary. Yeah,

1601
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 2: where they had exactly what they wanted, the diamond in

1602
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 2: the end zone with the guy in the middle, and

1603
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 2: Romo made time to let his guy get downfield and

1604
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 2: it just didn't happen.

1605
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: Mike Holmbrian said, you end up seeing about everything. One

1606
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: more thing for the Journal. It's really an all time

1607
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 1: gaff and Seattle. Dallas hasn't gotten past the divisional round since.

1608
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 2: No, they haven't.

1609
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 3: Final score twenty one twenty Seahawks.

1610
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: Average team, beat up teams, classic.

1611
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 2: Game sounds like a Dallas game kind of it does.

1612
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 2: What's the aftermath?

1613
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 1: Parcels never coaches again?

1614
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 3: Parcels never coaches again. Dallas hasn't gone past since the

1615
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 3: division round since.

1616
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 2: How Home Green was there for what three more years?

1617
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:16,679
Speaker 2: Two or three more years?

1618
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 1: Three more years? Yeah, and then they went with Pete.

1619
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 2: I think, where does this? This has got to be

1620
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,759
Speaker 2: one of their top ranked losses of all time.

1621
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: It's one of Romo's more memorable plays.

1622
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 2: Well, I'm talking about the Cowboys.

1623
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's one of the ugly ones.

1624
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 2: Are they ever going to get past this curse? What

1625
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 2: do you think? How many more years.

1626
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: I think they're a flawed football operation too, beholden their

1627
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: own picks, two insular, not enough exterior voices, not willing

1628
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: to hire a coach that pushes back on Jerry. I

1629
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: just think they're a flawed business operation. It's like the Lakers,

1630
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, they they rely on you know, Kobe's agent

1631
01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: runs the franchise, former players in the building. Big brand,

1632
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 1: but kind of flawed operationally. I'm I'm a big believer

1633
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: in hiring outside voices for a business to test you

1634
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 1: and challenge you and question you. And Dallas doesn't do that.

1635
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 2: You got to give us a new perspective.

1636
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 1: You have to bring in people outside the building. I

1637
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:17,719
Speaker 1: think the downfall of the Patriots late is Bill going

1638
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: back again and hiring people Matt Patricia and Joe Judge.

1639
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: And I think it's you need fresh eyes, Jetfish.

1640
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 2: What are you talking about, shed Fish head coach of Washington.

1641
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: You need, you need perspective, new perspective, outsiders.

1642
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,600
Speaker 2: Now, what do you what do you think In the

1643
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 2: comparison of the Homegrown era versus the Pete Carroll era

1644
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 2: of Seattle.

1645
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: Well, one was very much about elevating offensive players. The

1646
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 1: other one was about running game, stay low on turnovers,

1647
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: and win with intimidation and defense. I mean a lot

1648
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: of what USC was is what with just great linebacker play,

1649
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: great pressure liner, not a lot of turnovers, a good

1650
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,719
Speaker 1: strong run game, Bush Lendale White. That that was the Seahawks.

1651
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that Seattle six. They call it their

1652
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 2: their defense that they all run.

1653
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it got a little outdated, but I think Pete's

1654
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 1: hero was everyone uses it though.

1655
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,680
Speaker 2: That's what everyone uses. They don't play man. It's like

1656
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 2: a it's a matched man. It's like a zone man.

1657
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 2: We have any leftover questions over this crazy game that

1658
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 2: Tony Romo wishes he forgot.

1659
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 3: I got a couple, but will never sins. In additions,

1660
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 3: there's more corrections than I can handle.

1661
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 4: You.

1662
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 3: We usually have jackar researcher guy here, so I'm filling it.

1663
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 3: He's texting me like crazy. But I want to add

1664
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 3: that that the Bellevue Wolverines absolutely dismantled the country's top

1665
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 3: team dayly style and conquered California, sending the Mighty Californians

1666
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 3: home with a thorough thirty nine to twenty beating in

1667
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 3: front of twenty four thousand fans for the second annual

1668
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 3: Emerald City Kickoff Classic in two thousand four. Good memory that.

1669
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 2: Well, you know that they wouldn't they weren't in a

1670
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 2: division in our area. They would go play state champions.

1671
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:57,759
Speaker 2: They would go to Texas and play their state champion

1672
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 2: the year before, they would go to Florida and they

1673
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,759
Speaker 2: would beat up up on those teams for twenty years. Yeah,

1674
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 2: it's got to happen soon. We'll be right back after

1675
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 2: this quick break.

1676
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 1: Let's name the game. What would you name this game?

1677
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 1: I would say the Romo Snap Game. Or you gotta

1678
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: put Romo's name in the title, I would call it

1679
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 1: the Romo Snap Game.

1680
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 2: The Romos Snap Game. Let's score the game. Is this

1681
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 2: the greatest game of all time? Let's score it? Stakes

1682
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 2: one to ten in a divisional round calling decimals are okay?

1683
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 2: What are the stakes this game?

1684
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: All one through ten? The stakes were low, probably a four.

1685
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 1: It is a playoff game. It meant a lot for

1686
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 1: Parcels career. Let's go four and a half.

1687
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 2: We got it. We got an integrity type score going here.

1688
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 3: You gotta score too.

1689
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 2: I would say like a six and a half. It's

1690
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 2: still a playoff game. Dallas hadn't won a playoff game

1691
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 2: in a long time. Seattle is there's a lot of

1692
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 2: stakes because they had a shitty season. They just went

1693
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,679
Speaker 2: to the super Bowl. They're battling the Super Bowl slump.

1694
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 2: So star power in this game one to ten.

1695
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: Not a ton Parcells may have been the biggest name.

1696
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:09,759
Speaker 1: Tony Romo, second, a running back, was big, very little

1697
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 1: star power about four and a half. Again, the crowd

1698
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 1: felt like as big a factor, Parcells was the star

1699
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 1: of the game.

1700
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, you got two Hall of Fame coaches. I'll

1701
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 2: go with a six, a flat six. The gameplay of

1702
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 2: the game sloppy football, but a lot of excitement.

1703
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: Oh, the play of the game is a nine. It's

1704
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: one of the craziest. I mean, it's like the David

1705
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: Tyree catch. You've never seen it since when you have

1706
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 1: a play in football and you're like, I've never seen that.

1707
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 1: That's all time stuff. That's like people in the living

1708
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: room screaming when that happens. Both sides are screaming. It's

1709
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 1: a lot of times you get one side screaming, like

1710
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 1: Cowboy fans are screaming and Seahawk fans are cheering, like

1711
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 1: that's a wild play.

1712
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 3: This is about our sixtieth game, and you just made

1713
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 3: us think of something I never thought of before, which

1714
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 3: is we've always just used gameplays as a single game.

1715
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 3: But I think there's difference between an audience's version, like

1716
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 3: opinion of the gameplay and it coaches, because this game,

1717
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 3: a coach might be like gameplay dog shit, but an

1718
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 3: audience is like that last fourth quarter, that's incredible. Back

1719
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 3: and forth.

1720
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we do at games with names. We

1721
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 2: bring an outside perspective to try to make our business better.

1722
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 1: It was also shocking. Most touchdowns aren't shocking. Most great

1723
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 1: plays aren't shocking. Yeah, that's a shocking play. A gimme, yeah,

1724
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 1: David Tyree, that's a shocking play.

1725
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 2: That was a very shocking play. I'm gonna go with

1726
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:37,679
Speaker 2: the gameplay seven point five. Seven point five the name

1727
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 2: of the game. I mean, well, I.

1728
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 1: Mean in a history there, you know, there's been the Raiders, Steelers,

1729
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, the Bradshaw Frank o'harris is one of the

1730
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: other is probably the greatest aculus reception, probably the greatest

1731
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:54,879
Speaker 1: point here. I'd put it a five five and a half.

1732
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: It's it's the Romo snap game. But it is memorable.

1733
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: Very few games can you use three or four words

1734
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 1: and everybody knows what you mean?

1735
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 2: Oh, everyone knows this game.

1736
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the the des Bryant non catch game. That's

1737
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 1: you know what that means. Yes, you do the David

1738
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 1: Tyree catch game.

1739
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 2: Without a doubt. I'm gonna go with that. His point

1740
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 2: just made my points go up.

1741
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1742
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 2: The cultural relevance of it, the cultural relevance of this

1743
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 2: game is huge, So I'm gonna go with I'm gonna

1744
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 2: go with the seven point nine eight three eighth five seven.

1745
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 2: And what is it like? Where does it stand in

1746
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 2: our our games? Probably low?

1747
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 3: This is it's above the twenty thirty one game, nineteen

1748
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 3: ninety five Angels Orioles Cayle Ripken iron Man game, and

1749
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 3: then just below the two thousand eleven Stanley Cup Final

1750
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 3: Game seven Bruins Canucks. We do an insane disservice to

1751
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:52,600
Speaker 3: hockey on this podcast.

1752
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody does.

1753
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:54,799
Speaker 3: Game seven.

1754
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 2: We love hockey botch snap game, but I gotta see

1755
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 2: guys running on field or courts. It's too fast. I

1756
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 2: can't follow the puck calling. You want to add anything

1757
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:08,759
Speaker 2: about this game?

1758
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 1: No, I got a company called The Volume. Check it

1759
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 1: out Google The Volume.

1760
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 2: Proud of it.

1761
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 1: Got a great staff, work hard. Shannon Sharp's on it.

1762
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 1: He's a big deal. Yeah, Draymond Green obviously gets people

1763
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 1: all worked up. Jason Temp, John Middlecoll former NFL scout

1764
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 1: love it great. Up to forty forty forty two employees

1765
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 1: growing like crazy, good people. Yeah, DraftKings, big sponsor. So

1766
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,799
Speaker 1: feel lucky. Feel lucky, lucky guy, Very grateful.

1767
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 2: Well, we're grateful to have you here in the nuthouse

1768
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 2: doing games with names. It was honestly a pleasure. I've

1769
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 2: learned so much from you just being in out of

1770
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 2: football and in the Fox world for a little bit.

1771
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 2: You know, I really do watch your show and how

1772
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 2: you compute things and you're able to communicate things with

1773
01:28:55,040 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 2: your analogies and bringing in pop culture to ultimately bring

1774
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 2: it to a sport or Your point is like I

1775
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 2: look up to that. That's awesome. I appreciate you coming

1776
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 2: doing the show.

1777
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 1: I have a good route for.

1778
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 2: Man, that was an awesome show. He's he's just he's

1779
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 2: a really calculated, smart man.

1780
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:20,640
Speaker 3: He could talk and be interesting for I think consistently,

1781
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 3: like the entire day, Like you could just be just

1782
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 3: hearing something from him and it's interesting in your gauge forever.

1783
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,839
Speaker 3: It's it's an insane skill set today.

1784
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 2: Curiosity, hard work. I gotta be more curious now, he said,

1785
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm curious, so you're curious.

1786
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 3: All right, let's hit the hot line.

1787
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 2: All right, let's hit the hot line. Remember, guys, the

1788
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 2: number is four two four two nine one two two

1789
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 2: nine zero. Let's hit the old hot line.

1790
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 6: Going on, Fellows Jewels, I want to hear you talk

1791
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 6: about that touchdown you scored on special teams off that

1792
01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 6: fumble recovery, that kind of like just pulped in you have.

1793
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 7: Die hard passed Fansas Magic six.

1794
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 2: Loved the podcast. Let's fucking go, baby, go pack Man.

1795
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 2: That play, thank you for the call. That play was awesome.

1796
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 2: That was Thanksgiving, I believe. Twenty twelve in New York.

1797
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 2: It was a butt fumble game. Uh mccordy went down

1798
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:25,599
Speaker 2: and hit McKnight and I was I was flying down

1799
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 2: the field converging and the ball like it was like

1800
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 2: out of a dream or something just popped up and

1801
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 2: I saw it and caught it in stride and went in.

1802
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 2: I mean, it was just a weird play, but awesome play.

1803
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 3: We've been trying to we've been circling that game. For

1804
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 3: a while, I've been talking flirt with Mark Sanchez, flirting

1805
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:49,640
Speaker 3: with VINCIBILFK this game, tell us we want to do

1806
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 3: this game. Patriots win forty nine nineteen on Thanksgiving Day.

1807
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a bad game for them. I think

1808
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 2: we scored like twenty one points or nineteen points in like.

1809
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 3: Thirty five points in the second quarter, and it was

1810
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 3: like the back to back.

1811
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 2: There was a back to back to back. I think

1812
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 2: Fireman ed. I think he retired, retire, then they brought

1813
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 2: him out of retirement. He's he's back. It's good for

1814
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 2: the game. We need to sell.

1815
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 3: No, this is real early and I don't even know

1816
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 3: if I should be saying it. But there's some whispers

1817
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 3: of some stuff about doing some episodes from the Jets

1818
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 3: stadium with some people. It just got thrown on me.

1819
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 3: That's all I can say. Oh, let's just say it'll

1820
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 3: be worth it if it happens.

1821
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:31,639
Speaker 2: Jet. It's not the Jets stadium.

1822
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 3: First off, that's a soft se Jet stadium. Even in

1823
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 3: that moment when he said that, I was like, it's

1824
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 3: a giant.

1825
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 2: Stadium, idiot, But well, it's not even giant stadium anymore.

1826
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:40,719
Speaker 3: It's MetLife Stadium.

1827
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 2: It's the met Life Stadium, the old Giant Stadium. Is

1828
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:45,639
Speaker 2: I played in the old met the old metal Lands

1829
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 2: first start.

1830
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 3: I love that highway that just like drives by and

1831
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,639
Speaker 3: it's really just a fucking swamp just off in the distance.

1832
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's so cool, like when you you get

1833
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,879
Speaker 2: off the plane and you're driving towards the or your hotel.

1834
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:03,680
Speaker 2: We used to stay at their Port hotel for no distractions. Obviously,

1835
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 2: find the Newark. Yeah, and you drive and you see

1836
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 2: the city on the right, and then you see big

1837
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 2: old meadow lands on the left, you see like the

1838
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 2: ski park, see a bunch of crazy Jets fans. It

1839
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:16,719
Speaker 2: was awesome.

1840
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 3: Did you you played some games against the Giants there too, right?

1841
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? I broke my foot there.

1842
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:24,679
Speaker 3: That was that with the last minute field goal. Yeah,

1843
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 3: Dean Lewis, all right, next one, thank you.

1844
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 7: So going back to the Seahawks Super Bowl with the Patriots,

1845
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 7: obviously they ran a lot of single high style, but

1846
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 7: I'll getting two technical. I was just curious from a

1847
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 7: viewers standpoint, they ran a lot of single high style,

1848
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 7: which is like cover one, cover three. How were you

1849
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 7: guys able to identify the one versus the three during

1850
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 7: the play, because it seemed like you had a lot

1851
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 7: of post snap adjustments or Billy O'Brien called them side adjustments,

1852
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,599
Speaker 7: like how are you able to identify that stuff and

1853
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 7: snap routes off to the proper listening where Tom was

1854
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 7: able to time things up and hit things where they

1855
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 7: needed to be.

1856
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 2: That's a great question. That was the old Seattle six.

1857
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:15,679
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn was the head coach or the DC and

1858
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 2: and the one thing about Seattle and that defense in

1859
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 2: the legion of Boom, they did what they did. They

1860
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 2: rushed for and they played like this match zone on

1861
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 2: the on the on the back side with their with

1862
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 2: their secondary, and they had really good football players that

1863
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 2: all played on a string. So if one guy went somewhere,

1864
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 2: another guy went another where another place. It was pretty

1865
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 2: easy to see man coverage versus zone coverage. That's why

1866
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 2: you saw a lot of the times we'd have gronk

1867
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 2: way outside. So if you saw a linebacker went over

1868
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 2: with gronk, you knew it was man coverage. They weren't

1869
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 2: gonna put, you know, a linebacker out there to play

1870
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 2: cover three. If they put a you know, if the

1871
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 2: corner was out there on gronk or through a formation

1872
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 2: indicator or some sort of motion, and it was it

1873
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 2: would be a corner out on whatever player that shouldn't

1874
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 2: have a corner. Then you knew it was a zone

1875
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 2: of some sort. But it was tricky with them because

1876
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 2: their zones played like matched man zones. You know, the

1877
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 2: outside guys, you know, they play with a like a

1878
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 2: less fear factor because they had things comeing to break

1879
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 2: on the under of them, So they were able to

1880
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 2: jump routes and keep their eyes in the backfield. That's

1881
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 2: what those defenses get to do. And they only do

1882
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 2: that was because of Bennett and and and all the

1883
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:34,600
Speaker 2: interior guys that they could get after the quarterback with

1884
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 2: just four guys. So you need to have a really

1885
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 2: good defensive line in order to do that. And they

1886
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 2: also just so happened to have one of the best

1887
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 2: secondaries you know, of my era. So it was it

1888
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,680
Speaker 2: was a crazy good defense. But we knew what they

1889
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 2: were to do. We knew, and they were a team

1890
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 2: that did what they did. They they knew you knew

1891
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 2: what you were they were playing. They said, we're gonna

1892
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 2: run it, you beat it. That was their motto. We

1893
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 2: just had a lot of good stuff dialed up for him.

1894
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 2: Love it.

1895
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 3: I also just realize you're wearing a Seahawks shirt right

1896
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 3: now too.

1897
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 2: I know I'm wearing a Seahawks shirt.

1898
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 3: Is AFC Seahawks.

1899
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 2: This is AFC Seahawks.

1900
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,639
Speaker 3: I'll do one more, last one, Hey.

1901
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:18,639
Speaker 4: Julien, Hey guys, how you doing.

1902
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 2: So?

1903
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:22,679
Speaker 4: I'm in my car on my way home from work

1904
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 4: listening to this video when all of a sudden, I

1905
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 4: felt like calling and asking you, Julian, what is the

1906
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:36,520
Speaker 4: best piece of advice you've ever received?

1907
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 3: Best piece of advice you've ever received?

1908
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 2: The one thing that comes to my mind is my dad.

1909
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 2: When you're green, you grow, and you ripe, you're rot.

1910
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 2: You always got to keep learning, you think y'all the answers.

1911
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 2: That's when you get picked. Then you get picked, you

1912
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 2: ain't live no more. You're dead, You're done. You're green,

1913
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,680
Speaker 2: you grow, when you ripe, you're rot. It works in

1914
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 2: every facet of life.

1915
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 3: I use it all the time now too, because of Frank,

1916
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 3: mostly just to you.

1917
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's an extension of Frank Man. What an episode.

1918
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 2: Thanks again to call in. That's been another episode of

1919
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 2: Games with Names. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts Spotify, or wherever

1920
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 2: you listen to your podcast. Commented game you want us

1921
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 2: to do and remember great review, great review, Jules, Oh

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