Speaker 1: They around the NFL podcast. Dan hens this and the
Speaker 1: Falcons cass up.
Speaker 2: Proud from the Chris Wesley podcast studio. It's around the NFL.
Speaker 2: I am Dan Hansson. Here are the members of the
Speaker 2: Falcons gas up. I like that Greg Rosethal and Mark Sessa.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it's time to start thinking about putting
Speaker 3: a ring on this team. They get a little more official.
Speaker 4: Well the Falcons and rings, that's probably never gonna happen.
Speaker 5: So the thing that I enjoy about this scenario and
Speaker 5: what Zumwalt just announced there is that before the show
Speaker 5: with you know, a lot of time to chat lot time,
Speaker 5: you are genuinely, like, genuinely slightly annoyed at Greg and
Speaker 5: I for this whole Falcons thing. I'm You've you' it's
Speaker 5: not a bit, it's a real thing. You see him
Speaker 5: a little. You seem a little agitated with the fact
Speaker 5: that we're unified on this front.
Speaker 2: In general, you guys, being unified is always a little
Speaker 2: off putting to me, just because it doesn't feel authentic
Speaker 2: to real life.
Speaker 3: But I think, what is that even us mean, we
Speaker 3: just both happen don't like the Falcons? How is that
Speaker 3: not authentic?
Speaker 2: I'm totally fine with you guys liking the Falcons. I
Speaker 2: just don't want you guys to like in October, if
Speaker 2: your precious little quarterback is still thrown for one hundred
Speaker 2: and fourteen yards a game, don't tell me how fun
Speaker 2: they are. Okay, Like, can we at least have an
Speaker 2: honest dialogue about whether the Falcons are fun? And I'll
Speaker 2: promise that to you.
Speaker 5: Right, we're grounded in reality, though I don't think it's
Speaker 5: not as if we were. We've gone on some lsd E
Speaker 5: mission into the night, like we we were watching the
Speaker 5: games and assessing them.
Speaker 2: And I just also to make this clear, I'm not
Speaker 2: against the Falcons, like I'm okay, if they're successfully, you're against.
Speaker 4: Just if they're fun, let's do it. Let's make it
Speaker 4: a round about.
Speaker 3: I'm open to it.
Speaker 4: You got to earn those stripes, Okay.
Speaker 2: It's not about based on a summer of promise and
Speaker 2: and what daddy gave to his son.
Speaker 4: You know, all right, we'll see that part of it.
Speaker 5: I don't think that Arthur Smith is some NEPO baby
Speaker 5: walking around.
Speaker 4: I didn't say it. You connected those dots. I didn't
Speaker 4: even bring up the man.
Speaker 5: You brought up you brought up the the FedEx thing
Speaker 5: multiple times on the show.
Speaker 3: And I do want to point out because we've got
Speaker 3: a lot of new listeners we've heard from him. We
Speaker 3: love you. Great, great start to the season, team of ATLU.
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Speaker 3: It's like, no, I don't want to. We don't need to,
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Speaker 5: Matching news show. By the way, we were never invited
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Speaker 2: All right, we're already off track here. It's a beefy show.
Speaker 2: It's a Thursday show. It's week two in the NFL.
Speaker 2: If you if you caught the Wednesday show. Did you
Speaker 2: catch the Wednesday show? I know you're under the weather mark.
Speaker 2: Did you catch the show?
Speaker 5: It's what I the minute I exit the studio, I'll
Speaker 5: be listening to that. No, I was like three sheets
Speaker 5: to the wind in terms of health, just lost.
Speaker 4: You were drunk?
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, that's not the term.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 5: I was literally was like.
Speaker 4: Confirming our suspicions.
Speaker 5: I don't want to give Colleen, Greg and Dan much
Speaker 5: less everyone behind the glass what I thought I had
Speaker 5: yesterday and I much better now.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 5: But no, I did not listen to a second of it.
Speaker 4: Give him a round of applause, keeping us healthy long season.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: But you should know that Thursday we preview the Thursday
Speaker 2: night game, which, by the way, we will be covering
Speaker 2: the recap of Vikings Eagles tonight.
Speaker 4: You get more programming from us.
Speaker 2: And we also previewed Sunday night football Dolphins Pats and
Speaker 2: then two Monday night games Saints Panthers, Brown Steeler. So
Speaker 2: check out Wednesday show with Colleen Wolf for those previews.
Speaker 2: Now we're gonna hit all the other games, all the
Speaker 2: non primetime games, and we do it draft style, and
Speaker 2: we have our locks of the week. Greg, congratulations, You've
Speaker 2: always been very high in your own supply in this
Speaker 2: in this particular department. What do you mean you can
Speaker 2: own it. We've had success and you never cease to
Speaker 2: remind us of it. You're now again ahead of me.
Speaker 2: Mark and the westling Zoo. We all lost and you
Speaker 2: locked up effectively in week one. So big week for Mark.
Speaker 2: Another thing you should know Mark, is we set the
Speaker 2: table here. Yeah, you should know that Mark, Greg and
Speaker 2: myself both locked up the Eagles on Wednesday's program.
Speaker 5: All right, what was the Vegas scenario there? That seems
Speaker 5: like it.
Speaker 4: Was according to Draft Kings, they were six point favorites.
Speaker 4: Courageous the mirror.
Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna do it. I had a different one,
Speaker 3: and then Dan did it.
Speaker 4: Just like the mirror was foggy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say it a little fun.
Speaker 2: But I've had a bad week and I felt like
Speaker 2: I deserved maybe a walk in the park lock.
Speaker 4: But I thought that lasted good. The Chiefs too, so
Speaker 4: we'll see.
Speaker 5: I don't but I don't know. I don't come at
Speaker 5: you guys about the it's under actually seven.
Speaker 3: We I have some some lock stuff. We'll get to
Speaker 3: it later. I feel like we've gotten we've gotten too slow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's get let's go. Let's get to it.
Speaker 2: Let's start with the first overall pick. Look at this
Speaker 2: at MS number one pick up the week, presented by
Speaker 2: the aformentioned Draft Kings, and it is the Kansas City
Speaker 2: Chiefs at the Jacksonville jack Uars. The spread here is
Speaker 2: Chiefs laying three and a half over under fifty one,
Speaker 2: a showdown of two teams they met in the playoffs
Speaker 2: a year ago. And Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are
Speaker 2: coming off a very deeply frustrating Week one loss one
Speaker 2: point loss to the Lions in which they hadn't listened.
Speaker 4: They had no business losing that game.
Speaker 2: They couldn't catch the football and it was a grotesque
Speaker 2: showing by their receivers, particularly Kadarius Tony, who has a
Speaker 2: lot to make up for starting this Sunday at one
Speaker 2: pm on CBS.
Speaker 4: Who's got the Call?
Speaker 2: By the way, Iron Eagle, Charles Davis and Evan Washburn.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs are laying three and a half points, and
Speaker 2: I feel very good about it. Travis Kelsey returned to
Speaker 2: practice in a limited capacity on Wednesday, so he's trending upward.
Speaker 2: And if you get Kelsey back in the lineup, Greg
Speaker 2: and you get a mad Chiefs team about how they
Speaker 2: executed on a lot. I think they're gonna be okay here,
Speaker 2: but I'm not sleeping on the jack.
Speaker 3: I think they'll be okay. But this is I'm fascinated
Speaker 3: by this game. I'm curious. You know your quick opinions
Speaker 3: on the Kelsey Taylor Swift rumors here?
Speaker 2: Yes, both born in nineteen eighty nine. Kelsey apparently tried
Speaker 2: to get his number to Swift, initially rebuff but now.
Speaker 3: Potentially potentially hanging out. I think it's not good that
Speaker 3: could be.
Speaker 4: I don't think that could.
Speaker 3: Be a factor. I think look, he's grown a lot
Speaker 3: since catching Kelsey. The the reality show that Lakeisha and
Speaker 3: Chris Westling both enjoyed, What.
Speaker 4: If You Want to Talk, Yo? Talkyo?
Speaker 3: But I think you were reminded, like what an incredibly
Speaker 3: valuable part of the Chiefs offense. Like that's obvious. He's
Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer, But I think what gets lost
Speaker 3: a little is as good as Andy Reid is, as
Speaker 3: good as Patrick Mahomes is. Travis Kelce's presence opens things
Speaker 3: up for the rest of the receivers in a way
Speaker 3: that they struggled to get. And I'm not sure what
Speaker 3: this Jaguars defense is going to be this year. I
Speaker 3: was not high on them coming into the year. I
Speaker 3: don't think we learned much Week one against the Colts.
Speaker 3: I think the Chiefs should have a nice bounce back
Speaker 3: game Offensively, the question is like can they hold up
Speaker 3: against t lock because Trevor Lawrence looked like he was
Speaker 3: ready to make that leap last week. Mark. I mean
Speaker 3: not that he wasn't great down the stretch last year,
Speaker 3: but now he's got Calvin Ridley and he was just
Speaker 3: making some next level throws to the point where you
Speaker 3: believe they could keep up in a shootout.
Speaker 5: No one could stop Calvin Ridley and it's it's amazing
Speaker 5: to me. I think that had to be like, quietly
Speaker 5: the trade of the year A season ago when it
Speaker 5: was it's under the radar because Calvin Ridley was not
Speaker 5: going to play. But they gave up very little to
Speaker 5: what is a bona fide star wide out and it
Speaker 5: right away changed who they were on offense. I thought, Lawrence,
Speaker 5: you know, the one thing that concerned me a little
Speaker 5: bit was I thought that Indy pushed that Jacksonville line
Speaker 5: around a little bit last week and gave gave Lawrence
Speaker 5: some problems and put him under pressure. And so you
Speaker 5: got Chris Jones back, and it's like Chris Jones, I
Speaker 5: think could be a depending on what version we get them,
Speaker 5: could be a huge factor in this game. And so
Speaker 5: you have your two best players back and Kelsey probably
Speaker 5: normalizes the offense to some degree, and really, like what
Speaker 5: we saw was so atypical for Kansas City in general.
Speaker 5: Kadarius Tony, I don't think I'll ever have a game
Speaker 5: like that again. I know he's inconsistent, but like, you're
Speaker 5: not going to get that version of it. Outside of that.
Speaker 5: Just before halftime march by Patrick Mahomes, we had three
Speaker 5: completions with twenty five plus yards. They were so quiet.
Speaker 5: They scored six points in the second half. They only
Speaker 5: allowed fourteen to Detroit, But the one area where they
Speaker 5: were battered was on the run down the stretch. They
Speaker 5: just looked tired and different. I think Chris Jones can
Speaker 5: change that, and I don't know if I trust Jacksonville
Speaker 5: as a team that can go take it to the
Speaker 5: Chiefs on the ground necessarily.
Speaker 2: Kadarius Tony is very happy that Chase Claypool's in the
Speaker 2: league because otherwise he would have been the worst player
Speaker 2: in football in Week one.
Speaker 4: He's not the worst player in football.
Speaker 2: In fact, I would not be surprised if Kadarius Tony
Speaker 2: has a really big bounce back game.
Speaker 4: I think he has a lot of talent.
Speaker 2: We were hyping him up, a lot of people hyping
Speaker 2: him up in the offseason for a reason.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 2: I talked about this four of the season started, that
Speaker 2: people are sleeping on Trevor Lawrence, a guy could be
Speaker 2: an MVP candidate. That throw that he made to Zay
Speaker 2: Jones against the Colts, that's everything, and Jay Jones did
Speaker 2: a great job there too. But you get Ridley Jones,
Speaker 2: Ingram and Travis a TN. I thought look had a
Speaker 2: lot of bursts look good in that game.
Speaker 5: He's underrated.
Speaker 2: I think the Chiefs are gonna take care of business
Speaker 2: here because I just can't imagine them falling to own
Speaker 2: two and losing the way they did in Week one
Speaker 2: and not coming out mad as hell and ready to
Speaker 2: kick some ass. But would it surprise me this is
Speaker 2: a tight game in Jacksonville. It wouldn't. I think the
Speaker 2: Chiefs take this, but I think it's gonna be, you know,
Speaker 2: twenty eight to twenty four or something like that.
Speaker 4: I like this one.
Speaker 3: Jacks fans who want to see this team as one
Speaker 3: of the AFC rising powers, like this is a great
Speaker 3: early season statement because I still don't think the Chiefs
Speaker 3: will have beyond their p's and q's totally. And Trevon
Speaker 3: Walker had a sack last week, a little bit better
Speaker 3: of a game from him. Josh Allen played great, and
Speaker 3: it wasn't just the Josh Allen of the Jaguars, that is,
Speaker 3: with three secs in.
Speaker 4: Josh Allen, look at you with all your disclaims.
Speaker 3: It wasn't just the wide receiver that struggled. It was
Speaker 3: the tackles. And I'm more worried actually about the tackles.
Speaker 3: Long term. Donovan Smith, kind of the longtime veteran with
Speaker 3: the Bucks. If if Trayvon Walker and Josh Allen can
Speaker 3: win those matchups up front against the tackles, you could
Speaker 3: have you could have trouble. But I really love what
Speaker 3: I saw with t Law getting to his third reads
Speaker 3: and just so quickly he's starting to look like.
Speaker 2: He's a great player and he's just starting to scratch
Speaker 2: a surface. Look out what one week one takeaway? Maybe
Speaker 2: this conference is a little more wide open than we thought.
Speaker 2: And AFC yeah, well yeah, fortunately, you know the Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers situation that made the AFC East a little bit different. Uh,
Speaker 2: the Jaguars, it's there for them to take the next
Speaker 2: step of the quarterback enters the Superstar club.
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Speaker 5: All right, I'm not doing this to annoy you particularly,
Speaker 5: but I I love this matchup. I'm going green Bay
Speaker 5: at Atlanta. You know, I think I come out of
Speaker 5: last week sort of just wondering.
Speaker 3: I had a feeling I was circling this one.
Speaker 2: I already had you already had Mark's name next to him.
Speaker 2: I know, well, but that's fine. But I'm not annoyed by.
Speaker 5: I think that's a reach too, because no it's not.
Speaker 5: It's good fun teams, two teams I would have one
Speaker 5: fun I would have avoided entirely a year ago. They're
Speaker 5: about fun. What are you talking about? I do think though,
Speaker 5: to your point, Dan, you're a suspicion about Desmond Ritter. He
Speaker 5: went fifteen for eighteen a week ago, and if you
Speaker 5: didn't watch the game, you're thinking that's pretty efficient. But
Speaker 5: I mean it was just sort of a mirage outside
Speaker 5: of like a thirty five yard shot to Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 5: very little, very little happening in the in the in
Speaker 5: the air game at all. And but that doesn't take
Speaker 5: away from the one thing that I think that we
Speaker 5: knew we'd see and being fascinated with, which was b
Speaker 5: John Robinson. It's like I just want to see more
Speaker 5: and more of him, like his ability, especially as a
Speaker 5: pass catcher. He if you're not on him right away.
Speaker 5: His you give him a yard, he'll juke around you
Speaker 5: when he's gone. And it's just like this is a
Speaker 5: true right right away rookie weapon who I made.
Speaker 3: It's seven points where I don't know if anyone in
Speaker 3: the league would have created the seven points.
Speaker 2: I totally agree, and like this would make one request, Yeah,
Speaker 2: can we get twenty touches for beje on this show?
Speaker 5: I think I think we're gonna see more of that.
Speaker 5: But but that's all the thing is, Like I guess
Speaker 5: people would say, like take Tyler Algier out of the lineup. No,
Speaker 5: I love saying these guys. I'd run the ball thirty
Speaker 5: five forty times. Sure, right, And I think in general,
Speaker 5: like it's a good test for the Packers because the
Speaker 5: more rewatching like that Packers Bears game, the Bears are
Speaker 5: a disaster, like they did this, and so what what
Speaker 5: we saw from Love and the Packers offense, which was
Speaker 5: very hopeful, I thought, I thought he played a good game.
Speaker 5: It's like this is a better test because the Falcons
Speaker 5: a week ago, their defensive line showed up. I thought
Speaker 5: that they're like their secondary there redone secondary showed up,
Speaker 5: and it's this is a better battle on that front
Speaker 5: to find out what love in the Packers offense is.
Speaker 5: Although there's a I really am optimistic about his first performance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm curious to see that too, though. I think
Speaker 3: it's a nice setup. I mean, he had he faced
Speaker 3: no pass rush last week. Literally, the Bears had two
Speaker 3: pressures in the entire game that that were driven by
Speaker 3: their show. But I don't think that the Falcons is
Speaker 3: some great pass rushing team either.
Speaker 5: They had a nice they were better.
Speaker 3: They had a nice week last week. On your model
Speaker 3: looks like a nice s I mean, but I do
Speaker 3: want to have another point of order. I keep doing this. Okay,
Speaker 3: So Cynthia Freelan heard I hope him not speaking out
Speaker 3: of school here too late. Now it's Bjeon Robinson. No
Speaker 3: one is on this because I've heard it on ESPN,
Speaker 3: NFL network no one. No one is saying this yet,
Speaker 3: but it's been quietly putting out there from the Falcons
Speaker 3: uh PR staff. I think that it's bon.
Speaker 6: And he did.
Speaker 3: No one saying that it's It's been Bejon everywhere in
Speaker 3: the country. I haven't heard anyone say it quote unquote right,
Speaker 3: But we could change.
Speaker 5: The player himself did the thing where he maybe it's
Speaker 5: kind of gracefully didn't correct anyone, just well.
Speaker 3: Maybe if the pr staff is reaching out, then maybe
Speaker 3: maybe Tojon, you're just just throwing that out there. I'm
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 4: Uh, I'm not ready yet. Yeah, but good to know
Speaker 4: and I'm open to change, just not there yet.
Speaker 3: I'm curious. Is this Packers even actually gonna be different
Speaker 3: this year? The number one thing that they've struggled with
Speaker 3: the last few years is stopping the run. So what
Speaker 3: a great test because they have a lot of talent
Speaker 3: on their defense and they looked pretty good last week,
Speaker 3: but it was against Chicago. Have they actually fixed anything?
Speaker 3: Because this is gonna be a great test. We know
Speaker 3: that the Falcons aren't going to throw the ball that much,
Speaker 3: but can they stop this running?
Speaker 2: Here's the quote, by the way from Falcons RB Robinson
Speaker 2: and that's why nobody's wrong and you're not offending anyone
Speaker 2: or being disrespectful. Here's his quote. How you pronounced this
Speaker 2: the SI? How you pronounce my name is bijan, Like,
Speaker 2: that's how you say my name? He said, I actually
Speaker 2: told Fox five in Atlanta, but I say bijeon m.
Speaker 4: So we're not wrong then it's almost a little snooty
Speaker 4: and like, look how smart. Well, I didn't even know
Speaker 4: until I am to call him, by the way his
Speaker 4: mother says it, when Bijeon himself is calling him self
Speaker 4: beije On, that's good enough for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't know about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is some hard hitting googling from
Speaker 2: the old user and a big spot.
Speaker 5: Falcon's getting a point by the way in.
Speaker 3: This that's it, Huh. I like the tight I like
Speaker 3: the Falcons here to win this game. I do why
Speaker 3: are you laughing?
Speaker 4: Knows what I did there?
Speaker 3: I know what Oh, I do know what you did.
Speaker 5: That was being a good little boy.
Speaker 3: It was well timed. It wasn't awkward aough. Uh batt
Speaker 3: Lafleur had like an incredible game last week. We should
Speaker 3: point it like, I don't think he's gonna have receivers
Speaker 3: this wide open. I'm really fascinated by him because he
Speaker 3: played much safer, I think than he did the first
Speaker 3: time we saw. And he does some really wild stuff,
Speaker 3: some fun stuff. We might have a little fun stuff
Speaker 3: on uh the NFL plus a little later. And he
Speaker 3: makes good decisions. But like every fourth pass kind of
Speaker 3: goes totally awry. So that's like he's a he's a fascinating.
Speaker 5: The Packers are banged up too, because we've got Christian
Speaker 5: Watson still not practicing on on Wednesday, Leavest with a
Speaker 5: hamstrng Aaron Jones, who was dominant against the Bears. Really,
Speaker 5: I mean changed that game. Hamstring situation, kway Walker awesome
Speaker 5: last week.
Speaker 4: Concussion situation, so a little bit banged up. Good setup
Speaker 4: the weather there, yeah, good setup. You could really get
Speaker 4: out of the gates. How is a pistol here with it?
Speaker 5: That Falcons crowd unblirable?
Speaker 2: What a great football, great football team? What we were
Speaker 2: laughing about earlier. I'm not We're not going to tell
Speaker 2: the audience. Yeah, so funny, but let's see if they
Speaker 2: figured out this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well we didn't do such a good job in
Speaker 5: the first matchup.
Speaker 4: So all right, here we go. I said it.
Speaker 5: Then we did do such a good job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, okay, here we go.
Speaker 5: So much inside baseball.
Speaker 3: Pick three goes to Greg Rosehal okay, I guess uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I had a pretty clear top three. The
Speaker 3: first two are gone. Let's go Seahawks at Lions. Geno
Speaker 3: versus the defending team of atl The Lions are a
Speaker 3: five and a half point favorite in nuts game.
Speaker 4: They were the twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess that's how it works. I am surprised.
Speaker 3: Like if you had told me before Week one they
Speaker 3: would be five and a half point favorites, that would
Speaker 3: have that would have surprised me. You thought this team,
Speaker 3: these two teams would have been closer, but one had
Speaker 3: a great Week one one at one of the worst
Speaker 3: week ones in the league, and it's not getting any better.
Speaker 3: A bluecasts starting right tackle for the Seahawks. Injured reserve
Speaker 3: Charles Cross starting left tackle for the Seahawks not practicing.
Speaker 3: Sounds like that injury is gonna take a little bit.
Speaker 3: Jason Peters fifty two years old.
Speaker 4: Way, Jason Peters, don't.
Speaker 3: Don't start that five year clock to start talking about
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame because he will have a Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame discussion for sure. Uh, he's back in the
Speaker 3: league and he might just be a joke playing left
Speaker 3: tackle once again for Gino. And so that's that's a
Speaker 3: little bit worry simmy.
Speaker 4: They had good health on that line last year, correct.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but better than this.
Speaker 3: Finds a disastrous those two guys played the whole time
Speaker 3: until the till the very end. And the funny thing is,
Speaker 3: I actually think of their interior as a big time
Speaker 3: struggle fest, and they were a week ago. So suddenly
Speaker 3: you compare these two offensive lines and you have one.
Speaker 3: I think these two quarterbacks both need to be protected
Speaker 3: like most, but they're not like elite that and you
Speaker 3: have one guy who's got maybe the best line in
Speaker 3: the league, and it makes a big difference that that
Speaker 3: Vitie is back. I really believe that he can be
Speaker 3: an elite player. Dan Campbell pointed it out they never
Speaker 3: had their whole line last year in Detroit compared to Seattle.
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna have one quarterback really under pressure,
Speaker 3: and I think you're gonna have one Jared Goff just
Speaker 3: sitting back there picking out, uh, those middle of the
Speaker 3: field passes, Like every good Jared Goff pass kind of
Speaker 3: looks the same, but it always looks good. It's like
Speaker 3: seventeen yards across the middle. Let's go, well, he's so
Speaker 3: he's totally well.
Speaker 5: I love the way the Lions are built because, like
Speaker 5: their offensive line won that game for them down the
Speaker 5: stretch against the Chiefs, like they are dominant, they tire
Speaker 5: teams out. You're gonna see more of Jamiir Gibbs. I
Speaker 5: think they they're just kind of built to do this.
Speaker 5: Their defensive line, their pass rush is so much better
Speaker 5: than it was a couple of years ago. And it's like,
Speaker 5: I don't love the common nation of Seattle's banged up
Speaker 5: line and Detroit essentially going after Gino Smith from the
Speaker 5: start because him under pressure is a different type of quarterback,
Speaker 5: Like they got eaten up by the Rams last week.
Speaker 5: On both sides. It's like that has to be the
Speaker 5: most disappointing performance that came out of nowhere. I mean,
Speaker 5: we were expecting it to go be a forty to
Speaker 5: seven blowout in terms of Seattle with their best wide
Speaker 5: receiver corps in the league, and it's like, Nope, none
Speaker 5: of it showed up.
Speaker 2: I like this matchup because this is these are two
Speaker 2: teams that are near the top of the list, or
Speaker 2: I just kind of want to learn a little bit
Speaker 2: more about Sure, because the Lions. And this is no
Speaker 2: disrespect to Lions fans out there, I know that the
Speaker 2: narrative around that game was look at the big Lions.
Speaker 4: They have arrived, They've now.
Speaker 2: Beaten the Chiefs on the road, and I watched the
Speaker 2: game and then I rewatched it uncondensed, and I'm saying
Speaker 2: they did play a really gutty and they got the win.
Speaker 2: I thought they were very fortunate in many ways to
Speaker 2: get that victory, which is not taking away, but it's
Speaker 2: also I'm not ready to say that.
Speaker 3: You're mad about the lock. Just admit it. No locked
Speaker 3: up against team of acl in your minds are saying
Speaker 3: if you.
Speaker 5: Take away Kansas City that, yeah, change is changed.
Speaker 3: Ye, I like.
Speaker 2: Sneaky don't care that much about locks. I think I
Speaker 2: think you care a lot about them. It's like it's over.
Speaker 2: I really think that the Lions are a very compelling,
Speaker 2: interesting team. But it's not like beating the Chiefs and
Speaker 2: Arrowhead in Week one made me think, Okay, now this
Speaker 2: is a superpower. Now it's time to look at the
Speaker 2: Lions differently. I'm not there yet.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Spank Seattle, coming off a really ugly Week one loss.
Speaker 4: Would would tell me two things.
Speaker 2: One, Okay, it's time to give the Lions a little
Speaker 2: more flowers because they're two and zero. And now, going
Speaker 2: back to last year, I think ten of twelve if
Speaker 2: they went and Seattle. You start to really start to
Speaker 2: ask questions Greg about Seattle and whether they're even any
Speaker 2: good after this offseason of hyping them up. Week four,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, A little change of subject here.
Speaker 4: Forty eight forty five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really gu Gino's greatest.
Speaker 4: Game of his life. He completed seventy seven percent of
Speaker 4: his passes, He threw for three hundred and seventy yards,
Speaker 4: three touchdowns. Passer rating won thirty two point six. Beautiful.
Speaker 4: Do we get another shootout? I don't know about that.
Speaker 4: I don't think forty eight forty five.
Speaker 5: The Lion's defense is transformed from that, Yes, that situation.
Speaker 5: Their secondary I thought right away looked so much better.
Speaker 5: Brian Branch, I mean, I think Jack Hampbell made some
Speaker 5: plays last week. They've added pad deuce. He just shows
Speaker 5: up and makes plays wherever he goes. I actually am
Speaker 5: a little more concerned about the Lions offense this year.
Speaker 5: They only scored fourteen points in that game. Then the
Speaker 5: defense right now, they're just so deep. I know that's
Speaker 5: not superstars, but who made all the big plays last week?
Speaker 5: Josh Pascal made that play.
Speaker 3: Second year player Charles Harris got the big holding call
Speaker 3: in the last rain. They're just deep everywhere and I
Speaker 3: think they can win multiple kinds of ways. The Seahawks.
Speaker 3: When was the last defense Pete Carroll had? And he
Speaker 3: skated a little bit on this last year, but when
Speaker 3: was the last defense that was above average in Seattle?
Speaker 3: I'll give you the answer. It was twenty seventeen. It
Speaker 3: was a while ago for a defensive coach.
Speaker 4: That the earl Thomas middle Finger year.
Speaker 3: I don't even know, but I just searched for like
Speaker 3: dv Away whatever or even above average. It's been like
Speaker 3: six years.
Speaker 5: They've drafted well though. I think there's there's a lot
Speaker 5: of you like youth on this defense. They just were
Speaker 5: totally out coached a week ago.
Speaker 3: I think we'll see more Gibbs. As you mentioned, six
Speaker 3: missed tackles forced in seven attempts.
Speaker 4: This is outrage. Yeah, give him the rock.
Speaker 2: I want to see Gibbs and Bijon Bajan touch this
Speaker 2: ball twenty times in week two. Take off the training wheels,
Speaker 2: let them leave fair request. I know this has come
Speaker 2: up around the Lions, but my last point amount them
Speaker 2: Jared Goff. I know he's not gonna win MVP or
Speaker 2: anything like that or go to the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: but very quietly since Week nine last year, hasn't since
Speaker 2: Week ten last year, eight and two the Lions, he
Speaker 2: hasn't even thrown an interception. Sixteen touchdowns, zero picks. If
Speaker 2: you protect Jared Goff, he will do work. He's going
Speaker 2: to protect Jared Goff.
Speaker 5: He's in that world where he could break the NFL record.
Speaker 3: For especially this week. The Stamps had no pass rush
Speaker 3: against the Rams, and that's something they're concerned about. All Right,
Speaker 3: I got the fourth overall pick, and I don't like
Speaker 3: these late games, so I'm just gonna take the one
Speaker 3: that I want the most because there's four of us shook.
Speaker 3: He's going to be helping out here, and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: lock up my late game. And it's gonna be forty
Speaker 3: nine Ers Rams, And yeah, this is a big spread.
Speaker 3: It's seven and a half for the forty nine Ers.
Speaker 3: I think it was nine earlier in the week, so
Speaker 3: some respect here for the Rams. It's a Week two
Speaker 3: matchup that if the Rams do get blown out, I'm
Speaker 3: not giving up on their journey this season because this
Speaker 3: matchup has been so poor for Sean McVay, even in
Speaker 3: the best of times. But if they cover that spread,
Speaker 3: if they make this a game, if they make it physical,
Speaker 3: and I think that's what mcvay's whole plan was this year,
Speaker 3: and Jordan Roderick's done a great job writing about it,
Speaker 3: especially on offense, where they're gonna do these long drives
Speaker 3: and eighty one plays a week ago. It's gotta be
Speaker 3: tough to do against the forty nine ers. But if
Speaker 3: they can just be physical on both sides, especially on offense,
Speaker 3: and make this a game and that it's it's just compelling,
Speaker 3: and Stafford's throwing some passes, then I think they really
Speaker 3: might have something. I'm worried about their defense being a
Speaker 3: little soft on the edge here, going up against this
Speaker 3: zone blocking, running game, and so I don't know if
Speaker 3: they can hang with him for four quarters. But you
Speaker 3: got my attention, Rams, Like, I'm interested. You got my
Speaker 3: daughter happy, you got my wife happy.
Speaker 5: Let's go checking a lot of boxes.
Speaker 3: It's just saying it makes me happy.
Speaker 4: Honestly, this has and that's good, that's important. But this
Speaker 4: does have all the makings of them come back to
Speaker 4: Earth game for the Rams. To me, it does like
Speaker 4: we have go six under.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about Los Angeles and they're kind of
Speaker 2: rebuilding their defense on a fly, and obviously a great
Speaker 2: start against the Seahawks. But it's hard to tell Week ones,
Speaker 2: A liar, this is a whole other type of test.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I know you're in your backyard here across the sidewalk,
Speaker 2: but the forty nine ers are going to be coming
Speaker 2: at this young team in waves, and they're gonna be
Speaker 2: schemed up in an elite way by Kyle Shanahan. And
Speaker 2: it would not surprise me if shannan has this young
Speaker 2: defense's head spinning by the second quarter. I kind of
Speaker 2: see it that way. Stafford obviously played brilliantly there. You
Speaker 2: can make an argument that he was the best quarterback
Speaker 2: in the league in Week one. Could he do that again?
Speaker 4: Maybe?
Speaker 3: What about the fact that it's Coogler and Sanchez? I
Speaker 3: just love that. Maybe this is mister NFC West. Now,
Speaker 3: it's like a kind of a frisky NFC West game.
Speaker 4: It's sick California. Guy doesn't have to go far it
Speaker 4: he doesn't want to leave. Yeah, it's no Sea kid.
Speaker 5: I think I'm I'm with you, Dan, Like Sean McVay
Speaker 5: showed how much of a difference he can make a
Speaker 5: week ago and uh, the Seattle is a good team.
Speaker 5: I still think we're gonna find out they are. So
Speaker 5: that was a legitimate victory. But the Niners, I mean
Speaker 5: talk about hitting the ground running and it's like.
Speaker 3: Oh, you look good.
Speaker 5: If you're no, I'm Joe Burrow. It's like, obviously he's
Speaker 5: rusty because he didn't do X Y and Z in
Speaker 5: the preseason. It's like, what did rock Perdy do? Rock
Speaker 5: Perty shows up in Week one and he's like lights
Speaker 5: out and exactly the guy he was a year ago,
Speaker 5: totally efficient. I don't like that to me, Like, that's
Speaker 5: gonna come with the territory a little bit. Brock Perty
Speaker 5: as as like in terms of like where's the fall off?
Speaker 5: It just wasn't there. And like Brandon Ayuk, you suddenly
Speaker 5: have another superstar on this team. There's too many ways
Speaker 5: to inflict damage.
Speaker 3: What do you mean we'll see I've seen he looks.
Speaker 3: He looks. It's been a year and a half of this.
Speaker 3: He outgained Deebo Samuel for the second half of twenty
Speaker 3: tell me of last year.
Speaker 4: We're getting excited about it. Ayuk is not a superstar.
Speaker 5: Lang Okay, Well, he is knocking on that door. But
Speaker 5: now it being the way.
Speaker 3: He was in Week one, he's so physical and he
Speaker 3: can be do the subtle stuff. He's a little more
Speaker 3: complete than Deebo. I think they're one in one A.
Speaker 2: I love Auk, but we did the Superstar Club in
Speaker 2: July and nobody said anything when I didn't have that's
Speaker 2: but he needs I guess what I'm saying is he
Speaker 2: needs to put it together for a long stretch and
Speaker 2: remove that inconsistency from his game. And when I said
Speaker 2: after watching the game last Sunday, is if he does that,
Speaker 2: this becomes unfair because Deebo is gonna get his and
Speaker 2: McCaffrey stays healthy, he's gonna eat you got George Kittle.
Speaker 2: It's an embarrassment of riches for this young quarterback.
Speaker 5: And I think it's like then that you get to
Speaker 5: overlook their defense, which Steve Wilkes came in right away
Speaker 5: and like there's no there's no problem there at all.
Speaker 5: He's he's already a great coordinator. The Rams last week,
Speaker 5: I know they I like that they refuse to stop
Speaker 5: running the ball, but they ran for two point three
Speaker 5: yards for Carrie. It's like, I just think if you,
Speaker 5: this is gonna be a different situation for Matthew Stafford
Speaker 5: and he's gonna be put into something and then it
Speaker 5: will matter that you don't have Cooper Cup at some
Speaker 5: point here.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Kyraen Williams. He's like stealing cam Akers
Speaker 3: sunshine and his draft picks and his snaps. He played
Speaker 3: quite quite a bit more.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one superstar like we haven't brought up for
Speaker 3: the Fortnite I guess a couple is Bosa, but also
Speaker 3: Fred Warner. And that's where Stafford won last week, deepen
Speaker 3: over the middle, beating the Seahawks linebackers. You're not going
Speaker 3: to be able to do that to Pookin Akua and
Speaker 3: to well nearly as well against Fred Warner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what were your vibes because obviously one of the
Speaker 2: most talked about names in the league and a lot
Speaker 2: of ties into the immense popularity of fantasy football. But
Speaker 2: Pooka and Akua, is that is that a type of
Speaker 2: performance that's signifying that they have a real player there?
Speaker 3: I think so? Yeah, I think so. I Mean he
Speaker 3: might not be Cooper Cup, but he could be like
Speaker 3: a really solid number two that.
Speaker 2: Changes a lot. It does Cup can come back healthy.
Speaker 2: If Cup. I'm worried about Cup in general. When when
Speaker 2: you hear things like flying to Minnesota to see a
Speaker 2: specialist about the hamstring and you've already aggravated it once,
Speaker 2: I'm you start getting nervous about what's going to happen
Speaker 2: with that. But if he can come back healthy and
Speaker 2: they can establish for a poor here with Nikua, Okay.
Speaker 3: They trust they're cooking. He's smart, tough, physical.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break. Let's take a break,
Speaker 2: and when we get back we continue with the draft.
Speaker 2: All right, we are back. The draft rolls on, Mark Cecil,
Speaker 2: your second pick, all.
Speaker 5: Right, I'm gonna take the Chargers visiting Tennessee. Tennessee gets
Speaker 5: three points, uh that, which kind of surprises me. I
Speaker 5: I don't see these as equal teams, although I think
Speaker 5: the Titans and Greg you Bert, you've been talking about.
Speaker 3: This, they're home there. That's I'm going off of.
Speaker 5: I'm going off of what I saw from Ryan Tannehill
Speaker 5: a week ago. And now the Chargers, by the way,
Speaker 5: like Brandon Staley at some point, he's not he's here.
Speaker 4: Well that he was saying the way Mark's saying that,
Speaker 4: it's like he gone.
Speaker 5: I have been a Tannehill like fan for a long time,
Speaker 5: and like Tanna Shill, sure she'll no, Tanna Stan Maybe
Speaker 5: Tanner girl, Tanna girl. I like that that fits what
Speaker 5: a disaster last week? Like, if that's what you're gonna get,
Speaker 5: why are you how are they favored at all? How
Speaker 5: they getting like like anything more than three points?
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, you wanted the Charges to be even bigger,
Speaker 3: absolut Chargers.
Speaker 5: No, but it's like there their offense. To me, I
Speaker 5: this is an interesting matchup because I still think the
Speaker 5: Titans are one of the best runs stopping teams in
Speaker 5: the league, and this is a completely different Chargers offense
Speaker 5: than what we've seen in the past. And they want
Speaker 5: to they want to run the ball all day long.
Speaker 5: And like Austin Ekeler did not practice Wednesdays.
Speaker 3: No, he had was agent died, so but he's going
Speaker 3: to be back with the team Thursday, but it was
Speaker 3: unclear as we're taping whether he'll be able to practice,
Speaker 3: so he is. He is dealing with an injury as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I tend to think he'd play, but Josh Kelly
Speaker 5: looked like great too, and so I just think that
Speaker 5: this this ground game gives me a lot of hope
Speaker 5: for the fact that not everything has to fall on
Speaker 5: the shoulders of Justin Herbert. I think that's healthy. I
Speaker 5: just think this like a year ago, him having to
Speaker 5: play hurt the whole time he did, he still made
Speaker 5: some just absolutely like Herbert ish incredible throws last week.
Speaker 5: They can do it all, but I like to see
Speaker 5: I think this is a chance for the defense, even
Speaker 5: if it's a bit of a mirage because of what
Speaker 5: the Titans offense is, which is scarily like unimpressive. But
Speaker 5: it's a get right game. If you're branding stilly because
Speaker 5: I think you're on You're not on a hot seat,
Speaker 5: but it's like I think it's like you were in
Speaker 5: year three. Your calling card is dominating defense, and their
Speaker 5: defense continually is a problem.
Speaker 3: I got too much respect for the Titans to call
Speaker 3: them a get right game against anyone. I mean, if
Speaker 3: if Ryan Tanneil could hit the broad side of a
Speaker 3: barn and they would be coming off a pretty weak one.
Speaker 3: When to me, it's a great test. And one of
Speaker 3: my preseason takes is gonna be looking bad because I
Speaker 3: was high on both these teams. One of them is
Speaker 3: gonna be going to It's a great test though for Staley.
Speaker 3: It's like to me, it's like soft versus Like the
Speaker 3: Chargers are kind of a soft team. You think about
Speaker 3: them that way. Defensively certainly, okay, I mean, and they
Speaker 3: haven't been able to run the ball well on offense
Speaker 3: now have but this is like soft versus hard. I mean,
Speaker 3: the Titans are hard. You know they're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 3: stop you on the ground. Dan's making a faith. They
Speaker 3: can't listen to this in the car when their dad
Speaker 3: or mom or you're you're the weird one. You're the
Speaker 3: weird one, Denktri arden Key, Jeffrey Simmons. If you can
Speaker 3: run against this team, you can protect against this team
Speaker 3: and play well offensively, That'll say That'll say a.
Speaker 2: Lot to me, Like I know you and and other
Speaker 2: people on Twitter pumping up the Chargers again this summer.
Speaker 4: But I think they're in a bad spot.
Speaker 3: I think they I think this game is I think
Speaker 3: I'm worried.
Speaker 4: They got their ass beat in Week one.
Speaker 3: It was a two point game that they came up,
Speaker 3: but they got beat.
Speaker 2: And I know Herbert didn't play poorly, in fact, he
Speaker 2: played well, but the best quarterback in that game was Tua.
Speaker 4: And I don't know what makes Herbert's heart beat. I
Speaker 4: don't know what pumps him up.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's one of those guys that
Speaker 2: rises to the challenge and gets pissed off.
Speaker 4: I kind of want him to be that guy. I
Speaker 4: think that's sometimes the missing piece with Herbert.
Speaker 2: Is he like a monster? Is he a monster inside?
Speaker 2: Is he a competitor that says, you know what? Tua
Speaker 2: just upstays me in my house in week one and
Speaker 2: now I'm.
Speaker 4: Gonna have it?
Speaker 3: Five times he responded, yes.
Speaker 4: Not anything in his career yet bag hold does not
Speaker 4: act like he's done anything in his career yet, well
Speaker 4: hold on.
Speaker 5: I think like it's easy to forget that he didn't
Speaker 5: say a single word.
Speaker 4: I'm so sick of everybody putting justin Herbert in the
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, putting him in the hall like
Speaker 2: he's above reproach to even challenge him, like he's never
Speaker 2: won a playoff game.
Speaker 4: Everybody plays hurt.
Speaker 3: If winning playoffs.
Speaker 4: Some of the genuflecting at Herbert is on my radar.
Speaker 2: And and now I want him to this is what
Speaker 2: I want from him, go kick the hell out of
Speaker 2: the Titans because you're mad about what happened last week.
Speaker 4: It's not gonna be easy.
Speaker 2: And the reason I think this is a tough spot
Speaker 2: is because I think Vrabel and the Titans, and I
Speaker 2: don't think Tannehill is a bad player at this stage.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be mad as well, and I
Speaker 2: know he's a competitor and he's gonna be looking to
Speaker 2: play better. This is gonna show me something if Herbert
Speaker 2: and the Charges going there and take care of.
Speaker 3: I hear they're supposed to think that's ridiculous about Herbert when.
Speaker 4: I know it is because you're not allowed to say
Speaker 4: that about it.
Speaker 3: When he's playing through that injury that he did a
Speaker 3: year ago and making the comeback place respect that that
Speaker 3: Week eighteen game against the Raiders where he played as
Speaker 3: well as humanly possible, and like multiple things can be true.
Speaker 3: You can lose games where you play absolutely outstanding and
Speaker 3: play your hearts out and play with the most guts possible.
Speaker 3: If playoff wins was a great measurement in your first
Speaker 3: three or four seasons of like how great a quarterback
Speaker 3: like Peyton Manning was a total loser, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, and we've seen that again and again,
Speaker 3: and I think last week was a great example. He
Speaker 3: gets any stops from his defense. Like you're talking about
Speaker 3: what a great offensive performance.
Speaker 2: Everything you said is right, and Manning did nothing as
Speaker 2: a in terms of playoff success until almost the second
Speaker 2: decade in the league. But I'm just saying, sometimes it
Speaker 2: feels like we're not allowed to say bad things about
Speaker 2: all right, And I.
Speaker 5: Know you feel that way about Lamar Jackson and a
Speaker 5: couple other guys too, And I get there's maybe some
Speaker 5: exhaustion on your part, but nothing that Justin Herbert has
Speaker 5: done on the field.
Speaker 4: Like so I'm saying I'm spinning forward here. I'm saying, but.
Speaker 5: Who's let's plain I think they will. First of all,
Speaker 5: what's the strength I think outside of Justin Herbert, And
Speaker 5: it's their offensive line. I know they fell apart and
Speaker 5: against the pass rush like at the end of that
Speaker 5: Dolphins game, but they can they this is an offensive
Speaker 5: line that can neutralize the Titans. And I think in general,
Speaker 5: like the Titans are not gonna be able to get
Speaker 5: not gonna be able to get to Justin Herbert the
Speaker 5: same way. I just I believe that her I think this, like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: but they're they actually are a good run game run team.
Speaker 5: It's like, I think the balance of this team is
Speaker 5: gonna take care of Tennessee. And like the Titans offense
Speaker 5: and the Titans offensive line, You're not gonna have Joey
Speaker 5: Bosa go totally silent like you did a week ago.
Speaker 3: I just had practice though, but once again, Joey Bo's
Speaker 3: out of practice.
Speaker 5: I am kind of a little annoyed with the lack
Speaker 5: of faith in the Chargers off again, Joe, I am
Speaker 5: absolutely locking up the Chargers and they're gonna They're gonna
Speaker 5: do what you want. They're gonna do what you want
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I really enjoy Herbert as an immensely physically
Speaker 2: gifted quarterback.
Speaker 4: Do I do have some questions, just as someone who's
Speaker 4: watched sports for a long.
Speaker 3: Time, like the fire burn within, Like I guess you'd say,
Speaker 3: like what he's done, and I I know stats are
Speaker 3: in everything, but I do think like almost fifteen thousand
Speaker 3: yards and ninety touchdowns in the first three seasons of
Speaker 3: your NFL career is something like that's a big time.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying it's not I don't see like a
Speaker 5: hushed personality where he maybe doesn't care about football. I
Speaker 5: kind of say it didn't care, I know, but I
Speaker 5: sort of see. I do see a fire, and I
Speaker 5: really think that last year, like what he went through,
Speaker 5: and he just kind of refusing to give in or
Speaker 5: give up or leave the game. It's like there that
Speaker 5: tells me something. Though, there are a lot of players
Speaker 5: not like that.
Speaker 3: Five fourth quarter comebacks twenty twenty one, four fourth quarter
Speaker 3: comebacks twenty twenty two. He's He's been putting some tough spots.
Speaker 3: I'm frustrated though. Certainly, if Brandon Staley's defense is as
Speaker 3: bad as it looked, then it's just gonna be more
Speaker 3: charges drama and Brandon Staley won't be back like no
Speaker 3: matter what Herbert does, they got to have a much
Speaker 3: better defense.
Speaker 5: I put him in that most heated category of coaches
Speaker 5: before the season, and I think they could play out good.
Speaker 4: You know what, I want it?
Speaker 5: I want it, you want I want you to get
Speaker 5: your lock, okay, and.
Speaker 4: I want Herbert to just ball out against and just
Speaker 4: make Vabel like grovel in that postgame presser. I think
Speaker 4: we're gonna just got beat by a great quarterback who
Speaker 4: who was upset that the that Tua upstaged him in
Speaker 4: his building and made the throws that I I didn't
Speaker 4: down the stretch, And you know it's it was time
Speaker 4: for me to drop a bomb on whoever I was
Speaker 4: playing next, And that's what I did. That's what I
Speaker 4: want Herbert to say.
Speaker 5: That would be a typical of his personality.
Speaker 4: I don't you know that that's asking too much? See,
Speaker 4: but this isn't the game more fun to think about?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 4: Even if you totally disagree with everything I just said.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I watched like another like tension point between
Speaker 3: like and I don't think he's going to try harder
Speaker 3: this week because Tua played well. I think he's trying
Speaker 3: his hardest.
Speaker 4: See. That's the type of cold bloodless analysis that I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, uh, you know, let's diffuse someone having
Speaker 2: any passion in their takes by saying, oh, I guess
Speaker 2: he's gonna try hard.
Speaker 3: I just disagreeing I think he is. Like, that's not
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I'm putting every I think he's putting
Speaker 3: everything into his.
Speaker 4: Perform says he will try just as hard.
Speaker 5: I know you want to see some heats, so I
Speaker 5: like it.
Speaker 3: That was a fiery lock. Thank you Mark, Thank you Mark.
Speaker 3: After our well, you're welcome somewhat cheepish locks.
Speaker 4: All right, let's uh, let's move to Oh it's back
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 2: All right, let's head to jeral World and uh, I
Speaker 2: know I kind of Here is where I'm at Jets
Speaker 2: with Zach Wilson as the quarterback, going to Dallas to
Speaker 2: face the Great Parsons, and it is.
Speaker 4: The biggest spread of the week.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys are laying nine and a half points here,
Speaker 2: and it's it's just a reminder of what a bummer
Speaker 2: of it. It is not just for sad sack Jets
Speaker 2: fans like myself, but for everybody, cause this was gonna
Speaker 2: be a fun Rogers and the Jets going to Dallas.
Speaker 3: It's a bummer for Danson Romo. It's a bummer for
Speaker 3: a killer.
Speaker 4: It's a killer.
Speaker 3: They actually made it so that this was the only
Speaker 3: good afternoon game so that everyone would watch it.
Speaker 2: We all get killed by it, and it's you know,
Speaker 2: more personal to others. But yeah, it's a bummer. And
Speaker 2: here here's here's the thing, because there is a there's
Speaker 2: a sense here among the more optimistic of Jets fans
Speaker 2: that there's still something here, there's still something to play for,
Speaker 2: that the defense could be special in the running game,
Speaker 2: what we saw from Breese Hall, they can move the
Speaker 2: ball on the ground. And if you could just build
Speaker 2: a team like that, kind of in a ground and
Speaker 2: pound old school Rex way, and get the quarterback coached
Speaker 2: up just so he doesn't kill you, maybe you could
Speaker 2: still make noise in an AFC that maybe is more
Speaker 2: wide open than we realize. And Okay, I get that.
Speaker 2: All that said, I hate this matchup for the Jets.
Speaker 2: I hate Zach Wilson. And I know there was some
Speaker 2: criticism about how the play calling down the stretch where
Speaker 2: the Jets were playing for three points. They wouldn't even
Speaker 2: let Wilson throw, yes, and because Wilson has struggled so
Speaker 2: much as a pro.
Speaker 4: But also I think Wilson was getting killed in that game.
Speaker 2: And that was a very difficult spot with everything that
Speaker 2: happened in that game, with Aaron Rodgers coming on the
Speaker 2: field the way he did, and everyone thinking, all right,
Speaker 2: this is Rogers' team, and all of.
Speaker 4: A sudden, you're in the game.
Speaker 2: Here's the playbook, here's the biggest audience in the history
Speaker 2: of Metlie said him in the biggest Monday night football
Speaker 2: audience ever, saved the day and overall he didn't lose
Speaker 2: the game. Okay, So will they open up the playbook
Speaker 2: just a little bit, maybe, But here's the problem.
Speaker 4: I think the Cowboys are going to eat him alive
Speaker 4: in this game. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I just my feeling here is that as a
Speaker 2: Jet fan, there's gonna be a lot of Jet fans
Speaker 2: that have pumped themselves up thinking we're gonna get right
Speaker 2: here and we're gonna stabilize things and be optimistic. But
Speaker 2: I think this is a game we're gonna come out
Speaker 2: of and feel like reality is set in and the
Speaker 2: limits at quarterback are really going to be shown in
Speaker 2: this game.
Speaker 5: Why are we in this situation? I mean, the first
Speaker 5: couple of plays right out of the game where Aaron
Speaker 5: Rodgers injured because the offensive line looked totally incompetent, and
Speaker 5: now you're going against a Cowboys team that absolutely dismantled
Speaker 5: the Giants five force fumbles, two picks, seven sacks. Well, quarterback,
Speaker 5: but even if you cut all those numbers in half,
Speaker 5: you've still done a lot of work against the Giants
Speaker 5: and I just don't like the matchups. Like to your point,
Speaker 5: Dan of that line against one of the nastiest defenses
Speaker 5: in the league and a quarterback that, like, I'm not
Speaker 5: trying to jump on this. They should have gotten a
Speaker 5: different backup. Maybe they should have, but he just looks.
Speaker 5: He still just seems to me lost, and it's like,
Speaker 5: you're gonna have to be creative, resourceful and know exactly
Speaker 5: what you're doing to have any sort of advantage over
Speaker 5: the Dallas defense as a quarterback, and I just don't
Speaker 5: see that player right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the game was too fast for him and it
Speaker 3: was a really tough spot, but we've seen players come
Speaker 3: in off the bench and perform well a Brock Purty
Speaker 3: type or whatever. Look things happen. I mean, Aaron Rodgers's
Speaker 3: two snaps were disastrous. The game kind of came fast
Speaker 3: at him and those plays just didn't work out. I'm
Speaker 3: not really thinking the offense has much to do with
Speaker 3: the Jets at this point. Like Brice Hall is a
Speaker 3: special player, the fact that he can make cuts while
Speaker 3: moving forward so fluidly and make a difference. And you
Speaker 3: have Garrett Wilson, we know he's a special player. And
Speaker 3: if you can just get enough to just be like
Speaker 3: the twenty fourth offense in the league, then you just
Speaker 3: need this defense to be next level special and make
Speaker 3: these games fun. If you look at the season like
Speaker 3: it's only gonna matter if you win a Super Bowl,
Speaker 3: Yeah like that, then it doesn't matter for thirty one
Speaker 3: teams every year. If it's just gonna be more about
Speaker 3: the experience a long way and we could have some
Speaker 3: fun along the way. I think they have a chance
Speaker 3: to do that. I think they have a chance to
Speaker 3: make the playoffs certainly, but their defense has to be
Speaker 3: special special. Sace Gartner's coming off a bad game for
Speaker 3: Sasgartner relatively. He had to go against Stefan Diggs, but
Speaker 3: we didn't see that happened to him last year too much.
Speaker 3: Now he has to go against Ceedee Lamb, who they'll
Speaker 3: move around a lot, And it's just like, can they
Speaker 3: just shut down the Cowboys offense who had a weird
Speaker 3: week one where they didn't really have to do anything.
Speaker 3: Can they just keep Dallas under twenty essentially because Dallas
Speaker 3: only at two hundred and sixty five yards last week.
Speaker 3: Dak was just throwing it within like two seconds. He
Speaker 3: didn't need to do anything. So can can they truly
Speaker 3: disrupt another team to the point where they're in every
Speaker 3: game because of that defense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Josh Allen and Dak Prescott are and a similar
Speaker 2: QB tier for me. Maybe Alan's a little bit ahead,
Speaker 2: but they're also what are the defects in their games?
Speaker 2: They will turn the ball over the Jets to hang
Speaker 2: in this game. What's what's the path to success? You
Speaker 2: turn Prescott over a couple of times, maybe you have
Speaker 2: another special teams play and you keep this a low
Speaker 2: scoring game, and maybe Breese Haall breaks one. You need
Speaker 2: this to be a low scoring affair, where again defense
Speaker 2: and special teams plays a major role. There is Listen,
Speaker 2: I am a realist. I understand I'm no longer rooting
Speaker 2: for a team that has serious Super Bowl aspirations, But
Speaker 2: I also think there is absolutely a path to this
Speaker 2: team contending. If the defense is as good as it
Speaker 2: has the potential to be, and if they hang in
Speaker 2: this game, and even if they don't win, but they hang,
Speaker 2: you're feeling really good about it. The only thing that
Speaker 2: you worry about is a bloodbath for Wilson, because then
Speaker 2: that's going to take a lot of air out of
Speaker 2: that locker room as well. And I think the biggest
Speaker 2: challenge Sala has right now you're floating off, there's a
Speaker 2: stomach punch of Rogers, and then you have this incredible
Speaker 2: comeback that shows how gutsy the team is. But if
Speaker 2: Wilson really snows under in this game killing reality, it's
Speaker 2: gonna set.
Speaker 3: The opposite of Jordan Love having these two like non
Speaker 3: pass rushing teams to have to play the Cowboys right
Speaker 3: off the bat, and then Belichick next week is just.
Speaker 5: Well, and he's and and you know, there's a realistic
Speaker 5: reality here that he is not a good player on
Speaker 5: any level. It's like, I think it's important he got
Speaker 5: that Garrett Wilson touchdown a week GOP because Garrett Wilson
Speaker 5: like is the guy that kind of embodies the fact
Speaker 5: that when Aaron Rodgers came, Garrett Wilson's like, my career
Speaker 5: is back on track. It's like Zach Wilson could lose
Speaker 5: the locker room quickly if everyone starts to become a
Speaker 5: non factor in the passing game like it happened a
Speaker 5: year ago. It's like, I do wonder if this Jets
Speaker 5: team because I think there is hope the defense is supreme,
Speaker 5: Like you've got stars at running back, a star wide receiver,
Speaker 5: like you've got good tight end play. Do you go
Speaker 5: and get a different quarterback?
Speaker 4: I know?
Speaker 5: But it's like I think it's like, if you're the Jets,
Speaker 5: the coddling of Zach Wilson is over. It's like it's
Speaker 5: saying it's his team and all this stuff?
Speaker 3: Is it not?
Speaker 5: If they get destroyed in.
Speaker 3: As It's tough because he might be the very two
Speaker 3: best defense in the league. If I mean, I throw
Speaker 3: the forty nine.
Speaker 5: But we have a larger sample size on Zach Wilson
Speaker 5: than this last week.
Speaker 2: In this don't do the thing that I saw for
Speaker 2: most of the Bills game where you won't even throw
Speaker 2: the ball three yards past Lina scratch.
Speaker 4: What do you have to lose?
Speaker 2: Yeah, just air it out, force the ball into Garret Willson.
Speaker 2: Let's just see maybe something crazy happens. How about check
Speaker 2: in from Eric Roberts, our producer in the Bills cap.
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, we have somebody else who wants to weigh
Speaker 7: in on this.
Speaker 4: Jets Cowboys?
Speaker 7: Yere yes?
Speaker 4: What could that be?
Speaker 6: Hello, gentlemen? Oh, tough loss after week one? I don't
Speaker 6: know what I was thinking the picking the Chargers. Of
Speaker 6: course they're gonna go Charger in. That's okay. Right now,
Speaker 6: Greg's thinking, man, Nick, you can't lock this game up.
Speaker 6: It's it's Cowboys are nine point favorites. Well, I don't
Speaker 6: look at the Desert Test. I look at the mer test.
Speaker 6: I'm fine looking into the mirror. Right now, everybody's thinking,
Speaker 6: Daniel Jones got beat down by the Cowboys. The Cowboys
Speaker 6: defense is unstoppable. Their offense is good enough. The Jets
Speaker 6: Aaron Aaron Rodgers. They're injured, they're battered. No way they
Speaker 6: show up and beat win in Dallas. I know there's
Speaker 6: a damn good team. This Jets team is good, real good. Hans,
Speaker 6: is this one's for you? The Jets go into Dallas
Speaker 6: handle business. I told you the Bills and the Chiefs
Speaker 6: weren't making the playoffs this year. Someone's got to go.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be the Jets.
Speaker 6: They started out too and zero. Lock that up.
Speaker 5: Total. I'm a Cozi mission.
Speaker 4: There are boys in this world, and there are men.
Speaker 5: And there are psychotic men, or there are little bit
Speaker 5: like lost the first week and he's like, okay, now
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna like not even seem like I'm trying.
Speaker 5: Come on, hey, if he gets this right, like, no
Speaker 5: one will ever forget it.
Speaker 4: That was great.
Speaker 3: Everyone check out the YouTube because Nick is looking good
Speaker 3: looking like a businessman.
Speaker 5: He is part you trust your business to someone who
Speaker 5: just locked the jets. I don't know about that.
Speaker 4: It shows a man that has a bold take on
Speaker 4: business affairs.
Speaker 3: To me, uh, it's gonna be remembered as maybe the
Speaker 3: best lock of all time.
Speaker 2: If that's so, that's you know what that is. That's
Speaker 2: called hanging onions. You could say it's crazy, Maybe it is.
Speaker 5: Did he confer with the rest of the.
Speaker 2: So I can let me just a little. I'll take
Speaker 2: him behind the curtain a little bit. The Westling brothers
Speaker 2: have mostly opted out out of the X, but sometimes
Speaker 2: I guess they have conversations. But it's really Nick's ship
Speaker 2: now sure, And I would imagine there's no way in
Speaker 2: hell he would have had someone to back him on
Speaker 2: that at the Zoo. So this is this feels like
Speaker 2: pure because Nick did check in with me one of
Speaker 2: the many people that did, and said that he really
Speaker 2: does like these jets.
Speaker 4: So it's coming from an authentic place. Okay, all right,
Speaker 4: up next is me and I will take I like
Speaker 4: this game.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Eric Roberts, jump back on a second, the
Speaker 2: Las Vegas Raiders traveling to Orchard Park to face the
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills eight and a half points.
Speaker 4: The Bills are given in this one, Eric everything.
Speaker 2: Obviously, the story coming out of Monday Night was the
Speaker 2: Rogers injury, but a very very big overall league storyline
Speaker 2: was this terrible performance by Josh Allen, who gave that
Speaker 2: game way as a Bills fan, one to ten peace
Speaker 2: scale one underpants to totally dry and no problem at all.
Speaker 2: You can go anyway you want ten soaked to the bone,
Speaker 2: gotta get home, gotta change the underpants. And it's not
Speaker 2: even like you don't throw them in the hamper. It's
Speaker 2: a wrap that you throw the how you underpants? What's
Speaker 2: the peace scale?
Speaker 7: I'm not like a five a little damn little little
Speaker 7: damp if you have, like probably pushing eight.
Speaker 2: A little bit of an odor from not right next
Speaker 2: to you, like not from five feet away, but you
Speaker 2: get close.
Speaker 7: Comfortable sitting next to Christy right now, if you know
Speaker 7: it'd be like.
Speaker 4: At a five like that. Don't drag me into your
Speaker 4: urine stories.
Speaker 5: There's a musk to that.
Speaker 4: Urine underpants.
Speaker 7: But if they lose to the Raiders and Josh Allen
Speaker 7: kind of has another another another whoopsie game, they'll be
Speaker 7: pushing an eight.
Speaker 4: Now, what do you think is going on? Here's the question,
Speaker 4: and I'll open up to everybody.
Speaker 2: What are the conversations that Sean McDermott has with Josh
Speaker 2: Allen this week? Now, Allen, to his credit, put the
Speaker 2: whole thing on his shoulders, as he should have.
Speaker 4: He blew that game.
Speaker 2: There's no reason the Jet should have been able to
Speaker 2: come back unless the quarterback the other team gets as
Speaker 2: reckless as Alan did. Is there a conversation that leads
Speaker 2: to and this? This would make me feel a little bit.
Speaker 2: I would be torn as a Bills fan. We need
Speaker 2: you to rein it in and not be Josh Allen
Speaker 2: because this is becoming to be an issue. Are we
Speaker 2: going to see a more conservative version of him this week?
Speaker 5: I don't think so, because it's like there's too much
Speaker 5: evidence that if you take away what's special about Josh Allen,
Speaker 5: that you're missing a major element of your offense. This
Speaker 5: felt like a ghost ridden bike to me, this entire attack,
Speaker 5: and we could go and I think the thing is
Speaker 5: though I would parcel in the Josh Allen like Joe
Speaker 5: Burrow against the Browns. It's like if that were all,
Speaker 5: if that were his career, like week after week, we
Speaker 5: would not be even talking about Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3: Its disaster to make the decisions or you know, and
Speaker 3: he had to play in the weather. It was the
Speaker 3: mental side of it that was so.
Speaker 4: I'm with you there, But I think the Jets of
Speaker 4: awareness of the type of game he was playing, right.
Speaker 5: The Jets have had Josh Allen's number the last couple
Speaker 5: of seasons, though, and I think some quarterbacks just don't
Speaker 5: match up well. But I feel like even I know
Speaker 5: I mentioned this game too many times, but even when
Speaker 5: he went out there for a long period of time
Speaker 5: against the Steelers in the preseason, something just didn't seem
Speaker 5: right with Josh Allen a little bit. And I think
Speaker 5: like the last the way that last season ended, I mean,
Speaker 5: these two games were moved from throwing three hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty two yards against the Dolphins in the playoffs. But
Speaker 5: outside of some of that, like the Josh Allen at
Speaker 5: the end of last season and the turnovers and the
Speaker 5: red zone performance, It's like this is like a post
Speaker 5: Brian Daball version of Josh Allen. It seems like he
Speaker 5: misses Brian Table.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think those conversations happen, of course, but
Speaker 3: he's smart enough to say it first, and I think
Speaker 3: the conversations have been happening his whole career. But when
Speaker 3: he gets on the field, he blacks out. And he
Speaker 3: basically rained that in from the first two seasons where
Speaker 3: he was totally chaotic and would black out, And in
Speaker 3: this case, it was just forcing passes that just weren't
Speaker 3: even there. It just wasn't even passes that were worth taking.
Speaker 3: The third interception, to me, was understandable, but this is all.
Speaker 4: Other of them were close to being completed by no No.
Speaker 3: But the third one it was a great play by
Speaker 3: Whitehead where I don't think he expected him to make
Speaker 3: that play that The others were just insane. The Buffalo
Speaker 3: Bills are also transitioning. I mean, they were literally the
Speaker 3: least tight end heavy league in the team in the
Speaker 3: league last year, and in Week one they were by
Speaker 3: far the most. They had knocks and kincaid out their
Speaker 3: sixty something percent of the steps. No one plays two
Speaker 3: tight ends that much, and so there is a bit
Speaker 3: of transition here, they're searching for secondary receivers behind Diggs.
Speaker 3: You're trying to keep Digs busy, to keep him happy
Speaker 3: because something Alan and Diggs and like, it's a lot
Speaker 3: and you you got to be able to count on
Speaker 3: your defense to your point Dan like in that game,
Speaker 3: to just go win it for you, and they would
Speaker 3: and they would have, they would have, And in this
Speaker 3: game too against the Raiders. I don't think Jimmy g
Speaker 3: as clean as Jimmy G played last week, and I
Speaker 3: think he looked well. Jacoby Myers probably not in this game,
Speaker 3: and he's coming out of concussion, Like, I think you
Speaker 3: can probably trust that your defense is not giving up
Speaker 3: more than twenty points in this game.
Speaker 2: You know Dables last year and you know interceptions can
Speaker 2: be misleading, but he threw a career high fifteen picks
Speaker 2: that year. He has the most interceptions in the league
Speaker 2: of any quarterback in the last three years. So he's
Speaker 2: always gonna be that gun sling elma to his game.
Speaker 2: And that's okay, Like going back to Joe Namath and
Speaker 2: Brett Farv like far as interception numbers were in.
Speaker 4: SAT's okay, as long as it's being balanced out with
Speaker 4: like I will give him credit on the touchdown pass
Speaker 4: he had to digs on Monday Night.
Speaker 2: That's just classic Allen, Like that's his that's his move,
Speaker 2: Like it's his finishing move, that ability.
Speaker 4: To scramble and then at the last second pull the
Speaker 4: trigger and drop it in there. I don't want.
Speaker 2: I think the Bills will be worse off if he's
Speaker 2: raining in his game to try to limit his turnovers.
Speaker 2: I think he's got to be himself, but there's got
Speaker 2: to be if he really is a mad man and
Speaker 2: he just can't process it, the Bills are never gonna
Speaker 2: get over the hump.
Speaker 4: But I've seen enough good film of Josh Allen. Yeah
Speaker 4: that I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not in the camp of I think the Bills
Speaker 2: are in trouble. Now you're starting to hear that creeping
Speaker 2: in like, oh, Josh Allen, is he part of the problem. No,
Speaker 2: In fact, this might be a game where he kicks
Speaker 2: a mass here and kind of shuts some people up,
Speaker 2: like the Raiders seem like at home in Buffalo. A
Speaker 2: great matchup for Josh Allen to play some big time football.
Speaker 5: Well, And I think though from a flip side, because
Speaker 5: I've been relentlessly destroying the Raiders for six plus months,
Speaker 5: if not sixteen to eighteen months. This is a huge chance.
Speaker 5: And I thought the Jimmy g played really well, and like,
Speaker 5: you know, you are catching a Bills team that I
Speaker 5: think it's just it's not that I think the whole
Speaker 5: thing doesn't work. They're under a lot of pressure though.
Speaker 5: They just feel tight, and I think what happened, what
Speaker 5: manifested on Monday night is so much a part of
Speaker 5: that that they're just like penciled in. Is this team
Speaker 5: that's going to be in the AFC Final two or
Speaker 5: Final four, And it's like they feel incomplete to me,
Speaker 5: Like I don't know if I trust the Raiders defense
Speaker 5: to handle Josh Allen, But do you think that there's
Speaker 5: a way that you get another really clean game from
Speaker 5: Garoppolo and you're hanging around late that the Bills get
Speaker 5: into their heads a little bit. It just seems like
Speaker 5: a team of all these AFC teams maybe throw the
Speaker 5: Bengals in there to some agree that just a little
Speaker 5: bit tight right now.
Speaker 3: Well in the in the crowd will be tight. Will
Speaker 3: remind me of those old like Fenway Park Red Sox
Speaker 3: crowds are so loud at the beginnings of the games
Speaker 3: and then wanted to get towards the end. You get,
Speaker 3: you get a little tight, it'll be tough. I do
Speaker 3: think that the Raiders defensive progress we heard about in
Speaker 3: camp played out pretty well in week one. They have
Speaker 3: to be happy they're not gonna have Chandler Jones back.
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem but I thought the Bills defense has
Speaker 3: a lot to like. Greg Russo played well. I think
Speaker 3: they've kind of settled on their cornerback with Benford. They've
Speaker 3: totally benched their former first round pick kyer Elam like Mac,
Speaker 3: I think they look okay. And I've got an eye
Speaker 3: on Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 4: He didn't.
Speaker 3: He's had a very up and down career and he
Speaker 3: came into camp late, but he just didn't quite have
Speaker 3: that pop last week. So just keep an eye on
Speaker 3: him because he one year he's great, one year, the
Speaker 3: next he's not. Like I don't know, hope he's going
Speaker 3: through his training camp in real exactly so, because that's
Speaker 3: how you beat the Rams, I mean the Bills. If
Speaker 3: you're gonna beat the Bills, they're gonna have to run
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 4: I would like Jacobe Myers to be in this game.
Speaker 2: He really flashedes a receiver next to DeVonta Adams, but
Speaker 2: he was in concussion protogol in the middle of the week,
Speaker 2: and so it's not looking good for Myers to be
Speaker 2: on the field against the Bills. I think the Bills
Speaker 2: win this one comfortably and if they don't, look out
Speaker 2: big problems.
Speaker 5: Although remember the Bengals row in two a year ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but there's a you can point to reach.
Speaker 5: I think, why if I'm with you, win with you?
Speaker 5: Like I think that Jets loss was a disaster for Buffalo.
Speaker 2: All right, pause right there. We got to finish out
Speaker 2: this draft, but not before a quick break. All right,
Speaker 2: we're back Mark, You're up, all right.
Speaker 5: So, like I'm not saying this is the best game left,
Speaker 5: but I have to pick a late game, and I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go. I kind of am interested to see what
Speaker 5: happens here. Giants Cardinals, I mean talk about a New
Speaker 5: York Which New York disaster was bigger obviously the Jets
Speaker 5: for the future. But like the Giants laid about as
Speaker 5: large as an egg as one could imagine being produced
Speaker 5: on our Earth. It happened in front on an island
Speaker 5: game a terrible island to be on and the Cardinals
Speaker 5: for all the giggling play, the commander's tough on how
Speaker 5: to lead in the fourth quarter. It's like you just assume,
Speaker 5: I guess by logic.
Speaker 4: That the Gmas more then giggling. It's it's owling laughter
Speaker 4: for an organization to be run as poor.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and less for a Cardinals fan then it's very
Speaker 5: little laughter. But like I if, I mean, talked with
Speaker 5: Zumbold a little bit by text and he just flat
Speaker 5: out doesn't agree that the team is, you know, tanking,
Speaker 5: because I don't think you can tank number one if
Speaker 5: you're can't tell the.
Speaker 3: Course they're trying their hardest. I think it's a different.
Speaker 5: It's like you put the wrong trying if you put
Speaker 5: the wrong players out on the field.
Speaker 4: That's sometimes people.
Speaker 2: Don't get, not that you obviously mark or even somewhat
Speaker 2: they don't understand what tanking means. Tanking isn't the players.
Speaker 2: The players are playing for a paycheck in their careers.
Speaker 2: The coaches are playing coaching for their jobs. They're coaching
Speaker 2: and playing their ass off. It's the organization putting that
Speaker 2: teams putting that tank is upstairs.
Speaker 3: It's being in a situation where Josh Dobbs is their
Speaker 3: best option, right, that's.
Speaker 5: The what you got to that place?
Speaker 3: Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I say there's a couple of little ways into this
Speaker 5: game for Arizona to keep it tight. Now about thout
Speaker 5: Jonathan Gannon, Like that defense had three turnovers a week ago,
Speaker 5: they had a fumble return for a touchdown. Like they
Speaker 5: kind of put the Commanders into a tough spot, and
Speaker 5: so maybe Jonathan Gannon's defense has some life. Darren Waller
Speaker 5: has a hamstring injury right now that is being labeled
Speaker 5: as a lingering issue. That's sort of like the worst
Speaker 5: case scenario for Darren Waller, who obviously didn't show up
Speaker 5: a week ago. Andrew Thomas did not practice on Wednesday.
Speaker 5: It's like you got a banged up version of the
Speaker 5: Giants who probably are questioning who they are at this
Speaker 5: point after getting whipped the way they did terrible weather.
Speaker 5: But I get that. But it's like you talk about
Speaker 5: another quarterback under a lot of pressure. It's Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5: It's this offensive line. It's like Saquon Barkley didn't do
Speaker 5: much last time. They were a mistake prone. They were
Speaker 5: kind of everything they weren't a year ago. Brian da Bolder,
Speaker 5: WonderBoy was completely out coached. I think think bad night
Speaker 5: there was a bat there's a bad weather element to
Speaker 5: that game at Snowball, but there was a weather element
Speaker 5: for the Cowboys too.
Speaker 3: In a fluky element. But Andrew Thomas be now that's
Speaker 3: a huge problem. It sounds like he's gonna miss this game,
Speaker 3: maybe multiple games. He's their best player. I would say
Speaker 3: on Cardinals had six sex they're right tackle Evan Neil,
Speaker 3: who they've been kind of hoping would pop up, did
Speaker 3: not have a good Week one at all, and yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe they can make this game an ugly game, especially
Speaker 3: if Waller's not there. You would think that the Giants
Speaker 3: have enough talent. But but it wasn't a good week
Speaker 3: for their pass rush either. Kavon was quiet O j Lari.
Speaker 3: I would like to think this Giants defense does plenty.
Speaker 4: Though you know, would be really ugly. And I believe
Speaker 4: in this thing.
Speaker 2: With the way the NFL schedule plays out, when you
Speaker 2: have a bad Week one loss and then you get
Speaker 2: what should be a layup in Week two, usually you
Speaker 2: take advantage of that. If you have a Week three
Speaker 2: death March going to San Francisco next week, Giants. They're
Speaker 2: probably not even coming back East. They're probably staying out there,
Speaker 2: and they know if we don't beat the Cardinals on
Speaker 2: Sunday at four oh five on Fox and a game
Speaker 2: that is called just out of curiosity, I like to
Speaker 2: check in Adam Amine, Mark Scelerath, and Christina Pink.
Speaker 4: If we don't take care of business here, it's over.
Speaker 4: The season's over before it ever began.
Speaker 3: Five and a half point favor, Well.
Speaker 4: Go check rag. We'll own three teams, how many make
Speaker 4: the playoffs.
Speaker 2: I know it's seventeen games now, but still I think
Speaker 2: the Giants will show up. I think that they were humbled,
Speaker 2: they're still well coached. Everyone had a bad day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna have them in a good place
Speaker 2: and they're gonna play well. Sekuon is a big day
Speaker 2: and I think they win by ten.
Speaker 3: I think I would take the Cardinals to cover that
Speaker 3: five and a half.
Speaker 5: Point really well, then you have to believe that they've
Speaker 5: got just one.
Speaker 3: Of my general thoughts. Back in the day, and we
Speaker 3: do talk like what we think the score will be
Speaker 3: in on game debut. We do that too, but back
Speaker 3: in the day, one of the truisms and this would
Speaker 3: have been picking the Cardinals last week is like, never
Speaker 3: take bad to mediocre teams as heavy favorites like Washington
Speaker 3: should not be favored by seven in any scenario. Just
Speaker 3: too much can happen in the NFL. Should the Giants
Speaker 3: be favored by five and a half in any scenario.
Speaker 4: On the road. I don't think the Giants are a
Speaker 4: bad team. I would say now a mediocre Okay, maybe
Speaker 4: I'll give you that. It was week one. It was
Speaker 4: no good week.
Speaker 2: Let's see, you know what, that was a special night
Speaker 2: in London last year. We're gonna put that on ice until.
Speaker 4: They win a game, and hopefully for Giants fans listen
Speaker 4: Sunday nights.
Speaker 2: As a New York sports fan, we had a tough
Speaker 2: go of it Sunday Monday. I mean, people don't even
Speaker 2: know a lot of people if you don't fallow baseball.
Speaker 2: The Yankees have this once in a generation prospect, the
Speaker 2: marsh and Jason Domingez has an incredible first week, and
Speaker 2: then they learned that he tore his ucl and his
Speaker 2: elbow and he's out until next year. That happens Sunday.
Speaker 2: Then the Giant game happens Sunday night, and then Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers Monday enough a waterfall.
Speaker 4: Of like just poop for New York sports. Yeah too long?
Speaker 4: Maybe this is those on fire right now. It's good,
Speaker 4: it's good for It's very good for New York.
Speaker 3: Yeah, only Jalen Brunson can save you.
Speaker 5: Now, it's great for the post until the Jets are
Speaker 5: like one in five and Zach Wilson still playing quarterback.
Speaker 5: Then it's your readership starts to fall off a little bit.
Speaker 5: Not necessary, Mark, I am not suggesting that's what I
Speaker 5: want at all, I know, but.
Speaker 2: Just that's an obvious thing that I'm processing, is a
Speaker 2: reality that I'm dealing with.
Speaker 5: Well, I apologize.
Speaker 3: I truly still love you. Let's move on, Greg, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm taking a good game that's still available this late.
Speaker 3: Bengals three and a half point favorites over the Ravens.
Speaker 3: Ravens offensive line no Linderbaum. We mentioned out of practice
Speaker 3: their center, second year player Ronnie Stanley, the barometer of
Speaker 3: if the offense is going to be good or not.
Speaker 3: Out of practice, we know Marcus Williams isn't coming back
Speaker 3: for potentially a long time. Marlon Humphrey remember him, their
Speaker 3: best cornerback. They were hoping to have him back for
Speaker 3: a week two. Oh yeah, not sure. Not in practice.
Speaker 3: No one had a worse week in terms of the
Speaker 3: breadth of their team the amount of key players. Good
Speaker 3: word then than the Ravens.
Speaker 4: Spell at mark breadth b R E A D T
Speaker 4: HI A D.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a a disjointed offensive game.
Speaker 5: Don't do that to me again.
Speaker 3: The weather was a problem for the Bengals last week,
Speaker 3: only problem.
Speaker 2: Can we calm down with weather by the way for
Speaker 2: week two? Yeah, bad job by these codes. You don't
Speaker 2: need we clean it up. It was messy, yeah, and
Speaker 2: he does have the smaller hands. And the ball was
Speaker 2: slipping out nine inches. That's an old uh old nine inches,
Speaker 2: not fig Lamar coming off a bad game. Sometimes you
Speaker 2: saw their offense wasn't exactly sure what was going on either,
Speaker 2: like receivers in the wrong place. Lamar playing really well
Speaker 2: in the second half before just like a goofy fumble
Speaker 2: and he had a couple of those we've seen across
Speaker 2: the league.
Speaker 3: Defenses are a head of offenses right now. There aren't
Speaker 3: many deep passes going on. And then we got a
Speaker 3: theory from Nick Westley. Now that's hard on him, but
Speaker 3: I like to give him credit. He is an excellent
Speaker 3: football in sports mind, and oh yeah, his eye spotted,
Speaker 3: maybe just like a little less explosiveness. He thought out
Speaker 3: of Lamar as a runner as a playmaker then maybe
Speaker 3: in the past, which wouldn't be crazy in the league
Speaker 3: at while. So that's just something I'm just going to
Speaker 3: watch for. There were a couple of plays they certainly
Speaker 3: weren't calling running plays for Lamar, and that's fine. It's
Speaker 3: going to change depending on the week. But I really
Speaker 3: expect this to be a defensive game. I think it's
Speaker 3: going to take the Bengals more than a week to
Speaker 3: fix all the things that showed up in Week one.
Speaker 3: And I think the Ravens defense, not their offense, but
Speaker 3: their defense is still in great shape.
Speaker 4: I have a Lamar take.
Speaker 2: I don't think there are too many quarterback top weapon
Speaker 2: targets that make as much a big deal than when
Speaker 2: Lamar doesn't have Mark Andrews.
Speaker 3: Like, well, that's true, and it sounds like guy, that's
Speaker 3: his dog.
Speaker 4: That's his guy. He loves him in the intermediate passing game,
Speaker 4: he loves him in the red zone. You take him
Speaker 4: out of there. And I know Odell made you know,
Speaker 4: one really nice over the shoulder catch and we saw
Speaker 4: I agree with you, Greg Flowers really jumped out at
Speaker 4: you and you get the idea that he could be
Speaker 4: a big time player.
Speaker 2: So there are things they get excited about. But you
Speaker 2: need On Andrews on the field. I think he's the
Speaker 2: stabilizing Djenga piece for them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so Zay Flowers. I think what we saw that's
Speaker 5: like a week two week thing, like they finally drafted
Speaker 5: a wide receiver from you know, they've had trouble with
Speaker 5: that for twenty years, and like he looks like the
Speaker 5: real deal. I really would be concerned about Cincinnati's offensive line,
Speaker 5: like the release Lyle Collins. You've got Jonah Williams moving
Speaker 5: to right tackle pretty late in his career, and that's
Speaker 5: if he that's an iffy proposition. He didn't like. He
Speaker 5: didn't look good, But no one looked like I think
Speaker 5: we are going to not to go down like the
Speaker 5: Browns Avenue. But their defense I think is a difference
Speaker 5: making front. I mean, it's like I think a lot
Speaker 5: to do with what happened we go wasn't the weather.
Speaker 5: It's like they absolutely controlled Cincinnati's line. Burrow looked totally
Speaker 5: lost the idea that you have, what seven or eight
Speaker 5: targets to T Higgins, he doesn't catch any of them.
Speaker 3: Wasn't really on t Higgins.
Speaker 5: It was just I think Burrow he was fourteen for
Speaker 5: thirty one.
Speaker 2: Well that's what I thought was in our previews on Wednesday,
Speaker 2: Mark I pointed out not only was Cincinnati stuck in mud,
Speaker 2: there was very few passes where you could really point
Speaker 2: to him be like, oh there was an opportunity there.
Speaker 2: They just completely got shut down on offense, and all
Speaker 2: that was like gum flapping that I had getting fired
Speaker 2: up about Herbert. It's what I love about Burrow is
Speaker 2: he's like, I have no questions about Joe Burrow and
Speaker 2: the ferocious competitor that he is, and I just feel
Speaker 2: like he got embarrassed. He got embarrassed in Week one.
Speaker 2: He looked like a chump. The offense looked terrible. I know,
Speaker 2: again bad weather, but I would be surprised if Burrow
Speaker 2: doesn't play extremely well in this game.
Speaker 3: I I I wouldn't be surprised if he struggles, because
Speaker 3: the last time we saw him in this game, he struggled.
Speaker 3: They were lucky to beat the Ravens with Tyler Huntley
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, you know, they they needed a couple
Speaker 3: crazy defensive plays, like they've struggled in general against the Ravens.
Speaker 3: This is kind of a nice spot for the Ravens because, yes,
Speaker 3: they have their own issues, but no one's expecting them
Speaker 3: to win this game. They're already have a chance here
Speaker 3: to go to and Er and win on the road
Speaker 3: against Cincinnati. Roquan Smith was insane last week. Like I
Speaker 3: never mentioned that on the Sunday Night game, but that's
Speaker 3: why we did the emergency pod last year.
Speaker 5: Rights why he got traded ceiling he like for very
Speaker 5: reasons past.
Speaker 3: Game run game like, he was insane last week, and
Speaker 3: I think this is it's just a division matchup. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying you could throw the records out, but I'd
Speaker 3: be surprised if this doesn't come down to the last possession.
Speaker 3: It'd be had a big win for the raod game.
Speaker 5: Is it a a Zach Taylor issue on some level that, like,
Speaker 5: you know, year after year they seem to come out
Speaker 5: of the gate kind of slow.
Speaker 3: That was my dumb question. We did dumb questions yesterday
Speaker 3: and I had a should.
Speaker 4: Check out yesterday's podcast.
Speaker 3: I was big What was he What was the answer,
Speaker 3: because it's like mine was like, is this is Zach
Speaker 3: Taylor the man to fix some problems in some letters?
Speaker 5: See like the reverse Andy Reid.
Speaker 2: Though, my answer was like, yeah, that was a tough
Speaker 2: start last year, and then they won ten games in
Speaker 2: a row, kicked everybody's ass in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's a little fan.
Speaker 5: He just had no creativity last week. I don't know.
Speaker 5: You spent months preparing for that game.
Speaker 3: So I thought Joe Mixon looked much better last week?
Speaker 3: Did he did a year ago?
Speaker 4: And Uh?
Speaker 3: With someone to target FA, they're gonna be okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were okay last year, they'll be okay this year.
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: Oh he didn't see it coming.
Speaker 3: I knew it was coming, but I didn't love it.
Speaker 3: I actually hadn't decided which game I want to watch.
Speaker 3: Let's go Bears, Buck.
Speaker 4: Madison behind the glass, head spinning. What's the graphic? Oh,
Speaker 4: she has a rite off? Right up, she has it.
Speaker 4: That's a crack team behind the glass.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm sorry, I have not Oh no, I've not
Speaker 3: been checking that slack Bucks Bears. The Bucks are two
Speaker 3: and a half point favorite.
Speaker 4: What's your talk like that for the rest of this year.
Speaker 5: What's going on.
Speaker 3: That's like my invitation of Colleen, like Baker Mayfield's back, everybody.
Speaker 4: Sounds different when you do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Colleen sounds to most.
Speaker 3: Uh, that's kind of disrespectful to the Bucks. I mean,
Speaker 3: the Bears could not have looked worse a week ago.
Speaker 3: And if you're only a two and a half point
Speaker 3: favorite at home, it's basically saying they think the Bears
Speaker 3: are a better team. This is a tempting lock here because.
Speaker 4: I like that You're tempted because I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I don't think the Bucks are any good, but like
Speaker 2: they showed a little something in Week one and the Bears.
Speaker 3: This was my whole double. This was my whole thing
Speaker 3: about the Bucks and the Bears in the preseason, Like,
Speaker 3: don't the Bucks have a lot of players who would
Speaker 3: be the best player on the Bears? Yes, Devin White
Speaker 3: looked great last week, Levante David still great, Mike Evans,
Speaker 3: you got christ Like everyone's so excited about DJ Moore?
Speaker 3: Is DJ Moore better than Mike Evans or Chris Godwin?
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it's an conversation. They're in the same ballpark.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's certainly, like I think he's gonna be great
Speaker 5: for them down the street.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying he's not. Like, he's not a top
Speaker 3: five or ten receiver in the league. And Godwin and
Speaker 3: Evans have shown their level. They have a lot of
Speaker 3: good players, is my point. Vidave is another and they
Speaker 3: and they those players won and I just smelled a
Speaker 3: little bit of bolls of Sons too coming. It's then
Speaker 3: to google Loo Let's go. When he went for the
Speaker 3: fourth and one in his own end, I thought, oh,
Speaker 3: is this like when Ron Rivera found fourth down religion?
Speaker 3: He went for a fourth and one on his own
Speaker 3: thirty in a tie game with like seven minutes to go,
Speaker 3: and you know what, it led to the game winning point.
Speaker 4: They also settled for a fifty seven yard field goal
Speaker 4: to get those winning points.
Speaker 3: He's just doing what Well, that's because their offense isn't
Speaker 3: that good. I'm not saying they're a great team, but
Speaker 3: that decision.
Speaker 5: He's just doing what most of the league is doing
Speaker 5: at this point.
Speaker 3: I don't think most of the league would have gone
Speaker 3: for it there, and he wasn't doing that a year ago,
Speaker 3: is what I'm saying. Todd Bowles knows that this might
Speaker 3: be his last chance here and he's flying.
Speaker 2: Can I just for the listeners that aren't aware, because
Speaker 2: you're conflating it a little bit and maybe you're changing
Speaker 2: your I'd said the Bulls of Sans was always kind
Speaker 2: of the DC side of Todd Bowles, right.
Speaker 3: I was back when he was the DCQ.
Speaker 4: We've yet to see Todd really shine head.
Speaker 3: He's a super Bowl champion.
Speaker 2: Because let me look at it, because I have something
Speaker 2: now that I've moved away from Power rankings, and check
Speaker 2: out Eric ed Holme, who handles them now, and he
Speaker 2: does a podcast. He took over the feed that Colleen
Speaker 2: and I were on last year, and it's ed Holme
Speaker 2: and Andrew Ceciliano and they are doing the damn thing. Sure,
Speaker 2: the Bucks are the Classic win their first two games,
Speaker 2: and then if you're doing power rankings, I'm like, what
Speaker 2: are you doing they're gonna do with these guys, and
Speaker 2: I put out I would probably put them at like
Speaker 2: fifteen or something, and then a bunch of angry Bucks
Speaker 2: and we should be in the top ten. There's only
Speaker 2: five two and OHO teams and then it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: let's go watch him against the Philly Philly Eagles next
Speaker 2: week and then you tell me if they should still
Speaker 2: be number seven in the league. Right, good setup for
Speaker 2: them because and we touched on it, and yesterday the
Speaker 2: Bears could not have had a worse start to their season.
Speaker 2: The Chase Claypool stuff. He might not even be active
Speaker 2: in this game. And to me, I know, Claypool's a
Speaker 2: little bit of a mess potentially behind the scenes, Like
Speaker 2: you give up a borderline first round pick for him.
Speaker 2: That is mouth feasance in the front office. Uh, but
Speaker 2: this type of stuff happening in week ahead of week
Speaker 2: two is just not a good reflection of what's going
Speaker 2: on in that building right now.
Speaker 4: No, there is.
Speaker 2: If I'm Adam Rank and Bears fans, I'm extremely, extremely
Speaker 2: and I've lived through these type of scenes, toxic scenes,
Speaker 2: and you watch your team go down the tubes early.
Speaker 2: I'm very worried about what version of the Bear shows
Speaker 2: up in this game.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Dan Wider of the Chicago Tribune, how interesting tweet.
Speaker 4: Got it yesterday? You talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 5: I got it. Not maybe missing these Wednesday shows, but
Speaker 5: do you. I found that to be pretty concerned.
Speaker 3: Good to repeat it because many listeners may be miss.
Speaker 5: Short it said they were to have shaken by the
Speaker 5: week one performance, and that in my time covering the NFL,
Speaker 5: I can't really remember a time. We're on Wednesday, a
Speaker 5: week two, a building seems so apparently shaken by and
Speaker 5: or short.
Speaker 3: They were talking a big game this offseason, so is
Speaker 3: their media.
Speaker 5: They were, But if you so, I'm sure this wasn't
Speaker 5: so much on the condensed version of last week's Bears game.
Speaker 5: But in the second half, when it was clear the
Speaker 5: Green Bay was dropping a bomb on them, the bench,
Speaker 5: the players, they just looked totally broken, like they thought
Speaker 5: they were a completely different team than they were. And
Speaker 5: so that's when the floor can fall out. I mean again,
Speaker 5: their offensive line looked like a absolute disaster, and it
Speaker 5: feelds like you have to worry about his health in
Speaker 5: general when the hands.
Speaker 6: Of it too.
Speaker 3: Hey, he was not good. He's so slow and people
Speaker 3: and it was kind of like pick on Justin Fields
Speaker 3: on film Twitter week and it was week one, but
Speaker 3: people smarter than me. Alignement two. Just notice that everything's slow,
Speaker 3: like his drops are slow, kind of mechanical where he's
Speaker 3: thinking one, two, three, four, five, and it's just getting
Speaker 3: back very slowly. And that certainly going through progressions. Sometimes
Speaker 3: he holds the ball. That's what he did at Ohio State,
Speaker 3: That's what he did here. Last week he had one
Speaker 3: of the highest maybe the highest time to throw in
Speaker 3: the league. So yeah, the offensive line is struggling, but
Speaker 3: he's also taking a while to make decisions and that
Speaker 3: that speaks to the offense being disjointed. And it's part
Speaker 3: of partly why I'm worried about this team because I
Speaker 3: don't know, coaching wise, have have we seen these guys
Speaker 3: show a lot of answers on either side.
Speaker 4: You know what, I'm rooting hard for the Bears in
Speaker 4: this game.
Speaker 3: They kind of need it.
Speaker 2: It's really because the Chicago fans have been through a
Speaker 2: lot of dysfunction and they don't have a lot of success.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 4: People that are my age, for instance, don't have anything really.
Speaker 3: But you know who's going to speed you up a
Speaker 3: little bit. Bulls will be setting those double a gap
Speaker 3: blitzes like he was twenty years ago.
Speaker 5: I can't do this.
Speaker 3: It's the same stuff.
Speaker 5: What the Bulls business. We're back here. We're just back
Speaker 5: with these hype jobs.
Speaker 3: It's just like, okay, it's just kind of a fun
Speaker 3: little story and they had like a fun nine week
Speaker 3: that's excited sometimes.
Speaker 5: One he had one daring maneuver as a head coach,
Speaker 5: and we're we're putting their defense.
Speaker 3: Their defense had a nice performance. Baker. By the way,
Speaker 3: you know our Gregy Lowest time to throw his his
Speaker 3: game last week. Time to throw and avoiding sacks was
Speaker 3: better than it's been his whole career. Like if you
Speaker 3: repeated that week week after week. He got rid of
Speaker 3: the ball quickly and he avoided the sects slow start.
Speaker 3: But I mean, yeah, if he's not going to make
Speaker 3: mistakes like they got.
Speaker 4: A chance, we know what Baker is.
Speaker 3: I get excited, uited, want and then when it doesn't happen,
Speaker 3: it's no, you don't.
Speaker 5: But that's not it's the same people that we hear
Speaker 5: are over inflated mentions. You know, I could lame those
Speaker 5: five people.
Speaker 4: All right, and that will say that for the Wednesday Show.
Speaker 4: Next week, I'll see he'll be down there, Mark, you
Speaker 4: are up your last pick of the draft.
Speaker 5: All right, I'll go. I want to take a look
Speaker 5: at Russell Wilson here.
Speaker 4: We talked about him on the Wednesday Show. So much
Speaker 4: to say here, just kidding, Go ahead, now, I know
Speaker 4: to see he never even came up. You're all good,
Speaker 4: Sam Howell, Russell Wilson, who doesn't like that?
Speaker 5: I don't love it, Washington, but Washington getting three and
Speaker 5: a half points, No, I don't love It's why the
Speaker 5: second to last pick here. But I don't know. I
Speaker 5: think I think more evidence and just more, more, more
Speaker 5: quarters from Russell Wilson to see what he really is.
Speaker 5: I thought he'd well, if you got what he was
Speaker 5: last week, all of last season, he wouldn't have been
Speaker 5: a conversation piece. He wasn't special or anything, but far
Speaker 5: from a disaster. Howell to me, like what two hundred
Speaker 5: and two yards thirty one attempts, turned the ball over twice?
Speaker 5: I don't know if you can survive with that week
Speaker 5: after week. He's a little spicy, obviously, but this Commander's
Speaker 5: team nearly lost to the Cardinals, and I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm a little suspicious of the whole situation.
Speaker 4: How about you, Greg, because you're pretty high on the
Speaker 4: Commanders entering the season.
Speaker 3: Faith they're not gonna be pretty. I'm a little worried.
Speaker 3: How up and down it was Howell speaking of holding
Speaker 3: the ball, held the ball forever in that game, and
Speaker 3: some of those sacks were on him, but he's playing
Speaker 3: a team of the Broncos who had the lowest pressure
Speaker 3: rate in the league last week. Now, that part of
Speaker 3: that's just Jimmy g getting rid of the ball quickly,
Speaker 3: but the Broncos didn't show anything special defensively. And I
Speaker 3: know this is an overreaction, it's definitely a hot take,
Speaker 3: but when Seohn Peyton went for that, went for that
Speaker 3: on side kick right at the gate, and then every
Speaker 3: the whole crowd goes crazy.
Speaker 4: Because everybody look at me, I'm Sean Payton.
Speaker 3: The whole crack. And then when they took the flag
Speaker 3: out and they announced the penalty, Yeah, that felt like
Speaker 3: the end of the Sean Payton era to me.
Speaker 4: Just now that's a take.
Speaker 3: It just felt like that was such a bad open.
Speaker 3: I don't mean it's all gonna get out the bunch
Speaker 3: of burners. It was just like a wo wow. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying they're not gonna win games. There won't be moments,
Speaker 3: but it just was like, Oh, we're gonna try to
Speaker 3: recreate something, but it just won't wit.
Speaker 5: It was a massive wet fart.
Speaker 4: I love it, and it was so close to working
Speaker 4: that's what That's what I.
Speaker 3: Mean, that's what convinced me that it's just not gonna happen,
Speaker 3: because it's just the way they just pulled.
Speaker 5: The rug out from under you at the end of
Speaker 5: the era already that is this could be a.
Speaker 3: There's no way this this is gonna come down to
Speaker 3: the last possession. Right, There's these two teams just seem destined.
Speaker 4: I believe this has got seventeen sixteen written all over.
Speaker 4: What do you think?
Speaker 2: Javonte Williams, he got a lot, He got a little
Speaker 2: more run than I was expecting for good, devastating me.
Speaker 5: Peyton said like last week before the game that he
Speaker 5: was ready to use him a.
Speaker 3: Lot better than I thought season. I thought he looked fine. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I thought he looked pretty good. If it was p
Speaker 3: Ryan who drove me a little crazy. He had that
Speaker 3: one third and one where he had all sorts of
Speaker 3: space and he bounces outside and doesn't pick it up.
Speaker 3: Ended up being a big moment in that game.
Speaker 2: Greg Dulsich their tight end. He I think he's up
Speaker 2: in the air. He got banged up last week, and
Speaker 2: uh yeah, sounds like Jerry Judy could play. That would
Speaker 2: be very helpful. And let's see if Russell Wilson could
Speaker 2: string together some improved games. I thought it was a
Speaker 2: little bit of a step up last week, but nothing
Speaker 2: that was like a little rise to the level of
Speaker 2: his page.
Speaker 7: And I get it.
Speaker 3: They only had three possessions in the second half and
Speaker 3: they tried to kick a field go on two of them.
Speaker 3: So it wasn't like a nothing was disastrous, but there
Speaker 3: wasn't much that you were like, okay, great. It was
Speaker 3: a very condensed offense. And I think this Commander's d
Speaker 3: line that was why I was high on him. I
Speaker 3: thought they'll be talented enough on offense and really good
Speaker 3: in terms of their defensive line that they can ugly
Speaker 3: into about nine or ten wins.
Speaker 5: So I could still see the Jared Stidham era beginning
Speaker 5: at some point, even though apparently the Sean Payton aerra
Speaker 5: has already ended.
Speaker 2: So that would be let's ride three and a half points,
Speaker 2: the Broncos laying the wood in that one.
Speaker 4: All right, we got one last game.
Speaker 3: I like the Commanders there, I come straight up, there's.
Speaker 4: One more game in the board. Oof.
Speaker 5: Oh well this is not this is kind of a
Speaker 5: nice You know what.
Speaker 2: If I had to choose between the one we just
Speaker 2: did in this, I would choose this because I was
Speaker 2: I was legitimately like, okay, Colts, we're on offense.
Speaker 5: I was like, what about on defense? Okay, yeah, they
Speaker 5: had Buckner and friends.
Speaker 4: They had they had I thought for.
Speaker 2: A team, I think they lost by ten points at home,
Speaker 2: but like you know, for week one, for a team
Speaker 2: with no expectations after a hideous summer with the Jonathan
Speaker 2: Taylor stuff, I thought Anthony Richardson played better than I
Speaker 2: was expecting.
Speaker 4: As a passer.
Speaker 2: I saw what Trevor Lawrence was talking about when I
Speaker 2: watched the game, that there were some unnecessary hits that
Speaker 2: he took that he's gonna have to be careful with
Speaker 2: because that's gonna end him real quick as a rookie
Speaker 2: this year, he was banged up, but he's gonna be
Speaker 2: playing in this game. But in general, I thought he
Speaker 2: was kind of a fun guy to watch and you
Speaker 2: saw you saw it like you could see where as
Speaker 2: he gets more and more comfortable in this offense, he
Speaker 2: is going to he's gonna make big plays for them,
Speaker 2: obviously with his arm and legs. So I'm interested in
Speaker 2: the Colts the offensive line. I thought was better. That's
Speaker 2: a major point of this team. And then the Texans
Speaker 2: are still kind of a blank slate to me, Colts
Speaker 2: just laying one point in this one. So the Desert
Speaker 2: sees it very close. Your thoughts, guys, on what you're
Speaker 2: seeing from the Texans so far and looking at.
Speaker 5: Him, I'm be a little concerned about c J. Stroud
Speaker 5: in this game. With Laramie Tunsel dealing with a knee issue.
Speaker 5: He may play, but he's not like that line like
Speaker 5: a couple months ago, looked like it could be a strength,
Speaker 5: and they're banked up all over the place. I don't
Speaker 5: love that for them, But I thought, you know, he
Speaker 5: looked pretty good. I thought, for he's just gonna take time.
Speaker 5: But I think that CJ. Stroud does some things really well.
Speaker 5: And for me, it's just that I also trust their
Speaker 5: defense under Tmiko Ryans to be much better than they
Speaker 5: were a year ago. They were terrible against the run
Speaker 5: last year. But then you've got the Colts throwing Dion
Speaker 5: Jackson at you, who ran for fourteen yards on thirteen
Speaker 5: attempts and had two lost fumbles.
Speaker 3: They've had a lot of injuries and the Texans are
Speaker 3: just one of those teams that can't afford a lot
Speaker 3: of injuries. Jalen Peatree, they're a defensive captain, their second
Speaker 3: year player, they just love had that bruised lung. He's
Speaker 3: out of practice. Jimmy Ward, the safety has a hip injury.
Speaker 3: He's out of practice. And that safety tandem, to me,
Speaker 3: had a chance. And Texans fans were talking about this
Speaker 3: offse to be one of, if not the best safety
Speaker 3: tandems in the entire league. So that was gonna be
Speaker 3: like part of their identity. Their offensive line was going
Speaker 3: to be part of their identity. So a lot of
Speaker 3: bad life. I'm with you on Stroud. I know he
Speaker 3: didn't grade out well in PFF and he was in
Speaker 3: third and really long situations a lot. And he did
Speaker 3: make a lot of rookie mistakes where he held on
Speaker 3: to his progression too long. But he had about six
Speaker 3: or seven real professional throws like deep out see that
Speaker 3: every anticipation, and that if you're a rookie on a
Speaker 3: bad team, that gives you hope, because not every rookie
Speaker 3: shows that right off the bat. So I'm with you,
Speaker 3: I don't know what to see in this game. We
Speaker 3: never mentioned Will Anderson looked great.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that That's one thing that jumped
Speaker 2: out to me about the Texans that Will Anderson looks
Speaker 2: like a can't miss dude who he had a sack,
Speaker 2: two QB hits, six pressures, that's fourth.
Speaker 4: In the league. And I know Jalen Carter had a
Speaker 4: big week one as well.
Speaker 2: So you look at like some of the young defensive
Speaker 2: players and that came into the league this year, Anderson
Speaker 2: looks like a hit for them. And then on the
Speaker 2: Colt side, one other point, Michael Pittman's an important guy
Speaker 2: for them, and you want to see that chemistry between
Speaker 2: Pittman and Richardson, and he saw it. Eleven targets, eight
Speaker 2: for ninety seven, had a touchdown. So I just saw
Speaker 2: it in general, especially with how shaky things felt for
Speaker 2: the Cults entering the year, that stich In might have
Speaker 2: this team in a good place offensively as the year
Speaker 2: goes along.
Speaker 5: They need to like the one thing they struggled with
Speaker 5: a week ago. I think they were one for five
Speaker 5: on fourth downs. They struggled in short yardage in general.
Speaker 4: They tried to do this did the Jaguars.
Speaker 3: That was a little bunky that everyone thinks it was
Speaker 3: like Oh, we got to make a rule against the.
Speaker 5: The you gotta be otherwise we don't need any If.
Speaker 3: Everyone could do it, everyone would be doing it. Last
Speaker 3: week I saw it fail a couple of times. Richardson's
Speaker 3: such a strange player though. I mean, he's so electric
Speaker 3: and so exciting, and he may he's really good at
Speaker 3: like some of the harder decision I think he makes
Speaker 3: good decisions and he like he goes through his progressions,
Speaker 3: but like you just don't know where the ball is
Speaker 3: gonna go. So that is a little like like I
Speaker 3: think his bad play is like he actually he made
Speaker 3: good decisions and then just the ball was like five
Speaker 3: feet off and that that is a little where he's
Speaker 3: But he made some really good good places.
Speaker 4: Watch this one closer. Yeah, I thought I thought his
Speaker 4: accuracy was pretty good in this game or raw, but
Speaker 4: they must have missed it more throus.
Speaker 5: They were three for seventeen on third and fourth downs
Speaker 5: last week.
Speaker 4: You have got to get it out of their Stroud
Speaker 4: was pressured eighteen times on forty six dropbacks. So yeah,
Speaker 4: that is an opportunity for the cults that they can
Speaker 4: go to some business in their pass rush. All right,
Speaker 4: that's it. Let's Week two again.
Speaker 2: Thursday Night football, Greg and I both locking up the
Speaker 2: Eagles bravely to take care of business. While we look good,
Speaker 2: we look bad. Well, we'll find out a little bit
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