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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 2: Blazarre from Lazarren, Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always.

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Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barre.

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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, Hello, we're back in the studio, back

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Speaker 1: in Foxborough. After let's just call what it is, Alex.

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Speaker 1: A pretty disappointing end to our trip to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: It was a fun trip though. We had a good Yuah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's cool to cover the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: You would have liked it to end on a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit maybe maybe, But that doesn't wipe out the the

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Speaker 1: first seven days of the trip that were very, very

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Speaker 1: fun until the game actually started on Sunday. But hello, everyone,

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Speaker 1: it's Evan Lazarre, it's Alice Barth, it's Alex behind the glass,

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Speaker 1: and we're in our new not new, but o. It's

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Speaker 1: called our off season time slot. So PU obviously goes

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Speaker 1: to two times a week in the off season, so

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Speaker 1: we slide right into this new to two time slot

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Give me a little more awake, a little bit.

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Speaker 2: More awake, a little bit more in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the day. So all good things.

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Speaker 1: So this is where we'll be unless something else happens

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Speaker 1: that causes us to move this time. You can expect

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Speaker 1: us to be at this time twelve to two on Wednesdays, live,

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Speaker 1: moving forward until the we get back going in five

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Speaker 1: months or whatever that is. But for now, we have

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl to unfortunately do an autopsy on that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to.

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Speaker 2: I have some big picture thoughts.

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Speaker 1: I got to get off my chest about the off

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Speaker 1: season and about this team and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Moving forward here as well, we will do the good,

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Speaker 1: the bad, the stuff that gets you beat. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be honest again, it was kind of hard to come

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Speaker 1: up with too many good It's like.

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Speaker 3: I got.

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Speaker 1: Two players, Yeah, two players played at a championship level

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Speaker 1: in the game on Sunday, and then I have some

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Speaker 1: but they probably would like to have a few plays back.

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Speaker 1: So then we'll get to all that good stuff as well.

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Speaker 1: In the second hour of the show, we'll take your

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Speaker 1: calls and emails will open show up, and we'll start

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Speaker 1: discussing this thing. But the big picture thought that I

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Speaker 1: wanted to start with, I have a couple so just

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Speaker 1: bear with me, everybody, because I got to get on

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Speaker 1: my soapbox and vent a little bit about all everything

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Speaker 1: that's happened both on Sunday and also what transpired in

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Speaker 1: the aftermath of them losing the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest place I want to start, you know.

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Speaker 1: I know there's gonna be a lot of questions, probably

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Speaker 1: starting today Alex on this show about the draft, about

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Speaker 1: free agency, about what's next.

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Speaker 2: You know, what should they do?

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Speaker 1: What's the plan in terms of names. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: totally honest with everybody. I have no freaking clue. So

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Speaker 1: don't don't sit here and ask me who they're drafting.

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Speaker 1: At thirty one on February eleventh, two days three days

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Speaker 1: after the super Bowl ended, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. So I know that this is one

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Speaker 3: I know that that's what we do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I promise you that starting next week and

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Speaker 1: then a certainly starting combine week, I'll have some names.

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Speaker 2: I'll have some takes.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to start diving into that film as soon

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Speaker 1: as my brain, like you know, gets back to normal

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Speaker 1: from this trip to the to the super Bowl. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here today and tell you

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Speaker 3: I mean, I have some names, but do you remember

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Speaker 3: I think it was eighteen right when they won, and

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Speaker 3: Bill gets up to the podium and made the joke

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Speaker 3: about we're six weeks behind everybody else in the offseason.

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Speaker 3: We are six weeks he It wasn't kidding, Like I

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Speaker 2: Couple of years and this is gonna, you know.

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Speaker 1: Whatever cool for us, right we got we were at

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Speaker 1: unprepared for a draft as I am for this one.

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Speaker 1: So bear with us, bear with me in terms of

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Speaker 1: talk about off season plans and what this team should

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Speaker 1: do to get better and to get over the hump

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Speaker 1: and win the Super Bowl next year. And that's what

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Speaker 1: everybody's goal is. And of course they have a much

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Speaker 1: tougher schedule on paper next year, so they might be

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Speaker 2: They have to continue to stack talent on this team.

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Speaker 1: With that all being said, and I got a little

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Speaker 1: going to get to all of that. But let's not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so there's needs, there's holes, But like Mike

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Speaker 1: They have a foundation to the home. They have walls,

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Speaker 1: So I just want to put that out there because

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Speaker 1: that they need some upgrades in certain areas. Let's not

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Speaker 2: So that's my thought on that.

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Speaker 1: just the last thing, and then you know, feel free

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Speaker 1: for this question. The question is what happened to the

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Speaker 2: Was it injuries to Campbell, injuries to Drake May? Was

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Speaker 3: Was it scheme?

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Speaker 2: Was it talent? They have to answer that question.

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Speaker 1: And I remember in twenty twenty one, Bill Belichick got

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Speaker 1: If they feel like the regular season offense is really

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Speaker 2: Was it all of that? And I hate to call

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Speaker 1: They are short in talent and key areas you know,

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Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit of all of it,

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Speaker 3: bit of the weather. They definitely need to get better

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Speaker 3: you played all year, so you want to be able

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Speaker 3: to live up to that level. But Drake may was

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Speaker 3: playing with an injured shoulder, Will Campbell's playing with torn

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Speaker 3: up some of those other guys were, Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 3: think that would be a massive overreaction.

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Speaker 1: And you know, that's a tough question to answer because

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Speaker 1: only they really know the details of all these different things. Right,

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Speaker 1: How how injured were the injured guys? You know, how

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Speaker 1: injured was Will Campbell's knee? How injured was Drake May's shoulder?

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Speaker 1: You know, he's said that his shoulder injury occurred in

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Speaker 3: On Twitter, and he made I know that that him

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Speaker 2: Seattle is just better.

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Speaker 1: We can just wrap We can just wrap the show

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Speaker 2: And I'm hard on coaches. I am. I'm hard on

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be hard on Mike Rabel and Josh

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Speaker 1: this game there was just some really perplexing game plan

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Speaker 1: So I want to get into the particulars of that,

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Speaker 1: But what did you just think of McDaniels the coaching

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Speaker 2: It just did not feel like the Patriots coach this

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Speaker 3: No, it didn't. I'd say to McDaniels. My big critique

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Speaker 3: there is I don't think you could win this game

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Speaker 3: being a one dimensional run team against Seattle. Yeah, they

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Speaker 3: test the run defense of Seattle too much, but mixing

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Speaker 3: up a little momentum that halted it. Yeah, some of

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Speaker 3: the coaching was part of this too. It's not like

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Speaker 3: the players just came out flat, you know, and couldn't

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Speaker 3: execute what appeared to be a good game plan. I

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Speaker 1: It was weird because I just can't really explain the

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Speaker 2: So you're down, So I tell you what it is.

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Speaker 1: But the difference between scoring thirteen and being down thirteen

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what it is. Because I've heard this

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Speaker 3: I don't know for sure this is what it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: had is lost. So that's in the past. How I've

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Speaker 3: heard that decision defended. Is that Look, we got in

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Speaker 3: the two point play. That's I've heard it defended in

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Speaker 3: the past. I don't think that's a spot where that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: And I think Rabel has talked a lot about like

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Speaker 3: So that's why I think it was such a steep hill.

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Speaker 3: Ye ye, how to do it? And I believe in

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Speaker 1: I just the part is that there's no downside because

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Speaker 3: So you still need to touch the downside as you

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Speaker 3: you take a sack, you get picked off. Whatever you do,

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Speaker 3: now you're kind of you know, the quarterback, the line

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Speaker 3: maybe they're not.

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Speaker 2: The numbers don't make any sense.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying that that's how i've heard it defending. Okay,

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Speaker 3: but if they I don't agree, and that spot you

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Speaker 3: go for two. I don't think that that defense makes

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Speaker 3: sense in that situation. But I'm telling you how it makes.

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Speaker 1: Sense when you're leading in the game, and maybe if

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Speaker 1: don't want any sudden changes of momentum where if they

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Speaker 3: Defense they're buzzing. Alon.

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Speaker 4: This game.

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Speaker 1: They were down nineteen to six, so they're down thirteen points.

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Speaker 3: Again, it was a mistake. I'm just telling you. You're

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Speaker 3: you're wondering why they did it, Okay. I don't know

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Speaker 1: In the past, and I understand this is not why

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Speaker 3: Later where they really didn't need it right, So there

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Speaker 1: It didn't make any sense. The things that I really

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Speaker 2: Even though they don't blitz at.

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Speaker 1: A high volume, they are a very very good blitzing

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Speaker 1: In the NFL, you either need to solve the problem

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Speaker 2: Bad plays before the ball is snap. That's the kind

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Speaker 1: They operate an offense that at the line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that question. Only they do.

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Speaker 1: But the problem is is that this happened way too much.

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Speaker 1: if you're not gonna checked in the protection to have

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00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry block somebody would have been just for Pop

441
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 1: to run like a slant or something like that right

442
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 1: behind the blitz, you know, like he did against Houston

443
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 1: for instance, and he catches the ball and runs in

444
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 1: for a touchdown.

445
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 6: Right.

446
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 2: So there just was not enough. They didn't handle the

447
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 2: blitz well.

448
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 1: At all pre snap post snap, there was no answers

449
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 1: to it whatsoever. That, to me, before we get into

450
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 1: any of the other minutia, was the biggest issue with

451
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 1: this game plan.

452
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 3: I'm with you, and maybe caught him off guards healed

453
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 3: and blitz a ton this year. I don't know what

454
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 3: it was. And it's not like they Yeah, I mean,

455
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,479
Speaker 3: they didn't really have plans for it, and Seattle kind

456
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 3: of kept hitting things that were working, hitting buttons that

457
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 3: were working, and the Patriots can come up with an

458
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 3: answer for it.

459
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: So you mentioned the other thing that you know, you

460
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 2: just mentioned was about the run game.

461
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 1: And I argued a little bit with our boy Paul

462
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: about this yesterday because he was saying, well, they only

463
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: averaged three yards to carry against this defense. Like, as

464
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: long as you're getting positive yards in the run game, like,

465
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: that's sort of what you have to do. So a

466
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 1: lot of these numbers are, I'll admit, are a little

467
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: bit inflated by the fourth quarter because in the fourth

468
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: quarter the right it's a blowout. But in this game,

469
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: Seattle played fifty three percent of the game in dime defense,

470
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: fifty three percent of the game in six defensive backs

471
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: dime you know, six TV's on the field. They also

472
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: played the game sixty two percent of the time, this

473
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: is just what they do. But they play the game

474
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: sixty two percent of the time in split safety defense

475
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: as well, so they're playing with five or six defensive

476
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: backs on the field, they're playing with two high safeties.

477
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 1: And the Patriots only ran the ball thirteen times. Thirteen times, Yeah,

478
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: despite the fact that Seattle was basically sitting there begging

479
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 1: them to try to run the football. Not to mention,

480
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 1: although some of that stats is inflated by the fourth quarter,

481
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: this game really wasn't out of hand until the fourth quarter.

482
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 3: And I wonder if they, again I kind of said

483
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 3: this earlier, did they just come in saying like, we

484
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 3: can't test this run defense. And I get why they

485
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 3: were aware of it, but I feel like at a

486
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 3: certain point you have to alternate. You have to not altered,

487
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 3: you have to go off that and say, all right,

488
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 3: we are moving the ball a little bit on the ground.

489
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 3: We got to mix that in more. Maybe they didn't

490
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: come in with the most detailed run plan, but I

491
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: do think that there was a moment to pivot to it.

492
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you mentioned it earlier.

493
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: You have to have balance against the team like Seattle

494
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: if you are only dropping back to pass. And they

495
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: only called like seven play action plays in this game too,

496
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: because they weren't running the ball, so like, you know,

497
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: they're not gonna start spamming play action when you're not

498
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: even trying to run the ball at all. So they

499
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,239
Speaker 1: all they were just dropped back to pass, drop back

500
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: pass drop, back pass drop that pass. When you do

501
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: that against a great pass defense and in a great

502
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: a great pressure defense up front, this is what you're

503
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: gonna get. You're gonna get a forty five percent pressure

504
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: eight in your quarterback running for his life the entire game.

505
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: They kind of reaped what they sowed there.

506
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 1: And the last point that I'll make in that vein,

507
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: they played eighty percent of this game with three wide

508
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: receivers on the field, eighty eleven personnel. They only called

509
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: six offensive line one time, and it was their best

510
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: play of the game probably, and they never went back

511
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: to it one time. They called six offensive line, so

512
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: they stayed in their own light personnel, they didn't run

513
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: the ball, and Seattle put their five and six defensive

514
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,719
Speaker 1: back packages on the field. They started dialing up blitzes,

515
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: they started dialing up pressure. What I'm getting at with

516
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: all these things. Oh and they were playing two high safeties.

517
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: Let's not forget that part. What I'm trying to get

518
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: to with all of this is that they just let

519
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: Seattle play their game like this is exactly how Seattle

520
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: wants to play defense. This is their type of defense,

521
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: this is their type of game, and they just played

522
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: right into their hands with it all of the different

523
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: game plan elements that they use. They did not run

524
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 1: a lot of twenty one personnel in this game. They

525
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: didn't run a lot of six TOZ line in this game.

526
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: They didn't run any empty in this game, despite the

527
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: fact that Seattle was bringing pressure from everywhere. If you

528
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: spread the field out and empty, then Drake may can

529
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: see the pressure coming and he's got five ye to

530
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: try to get the ball out.

531
00:24:58,840 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: Of his hands.

532
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: They didn't do any of the things that you know

533
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: you have to do against the defense like this, and

534
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: they basically just lived in long down and distance on

535
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: third down and just let Seattle do what they do

536
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: and guess what, they couldn't move the ball. They had

537
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: what eighty yards in the first three quarters of the game.

538
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: So I was just really stunned up that they just

539
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: they basically said, like, we think that we can actually

540
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: beat you at your own game, and I just don't

541
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: think that they had the horses to try to take

542
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: that approach to the game.

543
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if they were trying to do

544
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 3: things that would catch Seattle off guard or they were

545
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 3: afraid of getting too much right at Seattle's strength. But

546
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 3: like they psyched themselves out a little too much, I

547
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 3: think with what that defense was, and they didn't just

548
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 3: lean on what they do well. And I think if

549
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 3: they'd done that a little more, I don't know that

550
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 3: changes the result, but they would have had a little

551
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 3: more success on play to play basis. Just we've talked

552
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: about this. You can't because you're facing great team doesn't

553
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: mean you can reinvent yourself. You have your strength and

554
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 3: you have your tendencies for a reason. You don't want

555
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 3: to be overly predictable. But I do think that you know,

556
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: you still have to do what you do well, even

557
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 3: if you're worry about the opponent taking it away yourself

558
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 3: to try it.

559
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they played right into Seattle's hands. I actually

560
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: really thought that even though they hadn't hit any real

561
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: explosive runs. I think Henderson had the long at like

562
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: nine yards on that little toss play. Even though they

563
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: hadn't hit any explosive runs, I did think they were

564
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: like kind of chipping away at it in the run

565
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: game where it was like three yards, five yards, six yards,

566
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: four yards, and it was you know, you're not gonna

567
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: inflate your yards per carry number when you're only rushing

568
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: for you know, three four yards at a time. But

569
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: what you are doing is first and ten becomes second

570
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: and seven, second and seven becomes third and two, third

571
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: and two becomes first down, which is what was what happened.

572
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: On the opening drive. They had a six yard run

573
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: by Remondre Stevenson on first down. They had a two

574
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: yard run by Ramondre Stevenson on second down, and then

575
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: a little check down in the flat tur Remandre Stevenson

576
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: for a first down.

577
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: And they were ahead of schedule.

578
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: They were staying ahead of the chains by passing on

579
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: first down, by drop back passing. They just got themselves

580
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: into all these advantageous situations for Seattle to start dialing

581
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: up pressure, and that's.

582
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 2: Exactly what the Seahawks did. So I was really disappointed

583
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: with that.

584
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: Glad I got that out of my off my chest,

585
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: because I've been thinking about that for two straight days.

586
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: I just that was beyond frustrating. I do want to

587
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: talk about some of the things that.

588
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: Went well in this game that weren't a lot, but

589
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: there was a couple of players I think deserves some flowers,

590
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: deserved some love from this game.

591
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: So let's get to the good and the bad and

592
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: the stuff that gets to beat.

593
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: And I will start with the two goods that I

594
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: have on my list, and that is Christian Goanzalez and

595
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: Craig Woodson. Yes, who both were fantastic in this game.

596
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: And I would say basically the reason why this game

597
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: was close for a time being, you know, and they

598
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: were within shouting distance going into the second half because

599
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: of those two players. Craig Woodson's ascension is really cool

600
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: to see. He had six run stuffs in this game,

601
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: had a couple of passes, defense, had a hurry blitzing,

602
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, blitz hurry as well. He was all over

603
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: the field. He was flying all over the field. The

604
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: run game stuff was phenomenal. I mean that tackle on

605
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: Rashija heat on that end around was just next level legit.

606
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: They got a player here, They got a legit player here.

607
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: I was dead wrong about this. I think a lot

608
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: of the draft pundits were pretty low on Craig Woodson too,

609
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: and they were dead wrong about it.

610
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: Myself included.

611
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: They have a I think they did safe to say

612
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: that Craig Woodson is at least a starting caliber safety

613
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: for them moving forward. Yes, and maybe even better like

614
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: maybe he's an impact safety for them next year.

615
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if this is where he's starting, we'll

616
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: see what the year two leap looks like. But he

617
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: was their best rookie this year, and he played a

618
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: high level and kept that going in the Super Bowl,

619
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: and again was tough matchup for him personally, not just

620
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: the entire team. So encourage what I saw from him,

621
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: and encouraged by what I saw from Christian ZoZ Pay

622
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: the guy that's simple, yep.

623
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

624
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: I mean the some of the fills that Craig Woodson had,

625
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, running the alley like they were playing those

626
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: split safety quarters looks against two by two formations, a

627
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: lot of palms or quarters coverage, and they would hand

628
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: it off and Kenneth Walker would try to bounce and

629
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: Craig Woodson was like right there, you know, waiting for him.

630
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: And that's hard to do to come from like eight

631
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: nine ten yards off the ball and fill with that

632
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: kind of aggressiveness and then get a really good running

633
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,239
Speaker 1: back on the ground like Kenneth Walker. That's impressive. I mean,

634
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: it was a really good game from Woodson. Gonzales excellent,

635
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: just absolutely excellent, elite Elite three, just high level pass breakups.

636
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: I posted the one last night on Shaheed the deep post.

637
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: I can't really undersell how hard of a play that is.

638
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: You know, he's bailing in cover three. They kind of

639
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: rotate the safeties a little bit, so the post is

640
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: late to the post because of their trying to disguise it.

641
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: And they have one of the fastest receivers in the

642
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: league taking off on you on a deep post when

643
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: you're out leverage, and he just catches up to the

644
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: play and makes the play. Now, I had some people

645
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: hurting me that, like Sam Donald could have made a

646
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: better throw. Sam Donald threw the ball fifty five yards

647
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: in the air, Like, I don't know, I don't know

648
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: how much further on any.

649
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 3: Play the quarterback can theory make a better throw. That

650
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: was a pretty good throw by Sam Donald.

651
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he comes off the little gun action play action fake,

652
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, belly in the ball and the belly of

653
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: the running back takes one hitch and hums it down

654
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: the field right, and Gonzales just caught up to the ball,

655
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: So it wasn't late, it wasn't underthrown. Like I'm sorry,

656
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: there's not a lot, Like how much further do you

657
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: wanted to throw it. I don't really understand how much

658
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: further you want him to throw it. So Christian Gonzales,

659
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: pay him. You know, he was superb. He was fantastic

660
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 1: in this game. And I would expect this offseason one

661
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: of the top priorities is going to be trying to

662
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: negotiate that contract because he deserves it.

663
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: And I also would just say.

664
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: You know, because I know we talked about on this

665
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: show obviously a couple of weeks ago, maybe a couple

666
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: of months ago, about this and about if Christian Gonzales

667
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: was going to get re signed by the team, and

668
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: I said it was no guarantee.

669
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: There was a.

670
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: There was a turn with Mike Rabel. He mentioned it

671
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: the Baltimore game was kind of a turning point for him.

672
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: If you listen to the way Mike Rabel answered questions

673
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: about Christian goan Zalez before the Baltimore game, and then

674
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: listened to the way he answered questions about christiangan Zalees

675
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: the last few weeks, it's a different answer.

676
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: He straight up said he saw a different guy. Yeah,

677
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: towards the end of the regular.

678
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: So I don't think there's any doubt anymore. Christian Gonzalez

679
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: sold Mike rabel on Christian Zalez. Yeah, in these playoffs

680
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: and with his effort and all that good stuff, that's

681
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: all I got.

682
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: That's that's all I got.

683
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: I have a couple of good Bryce Berenger had a

684
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: nice bounce back game for digging deep, but he wasn't

685
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: even the best punter on the field, not even close.

686
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: The other punter maybe kind of should have won MVP.

687
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: So is it weird that we've covered two Super Bowls?

688
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 3: In Bowlsuper covered, there's a strong case that the punter

689
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: should have of the winning team should have been MVP. Yes,

690
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: although fifty three probably should have been Slater more so

691
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: than Ryan Allen. But I just we've covered some high

692
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: level of hunting in the Super Bowl eleven we have.

693
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: That's absolutely true. So my next category is a new category.

694
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: I got creative because.

695
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: Okay, the Goods was tough. I'm not gonna lie.

696
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: This is the Goods butt and the butt is they

697
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: were good, but they probably still had some plays they'd

698
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: want back.

699
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: So I have a handful of guys, mostly defense. As

700
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: you can imagine, I.

701
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: Put first the defense as a whole. The defense as

702
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: a whole, I think played a Super Bowl caliber game.

703
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: You know, they held Seattle to thirty two point four

704
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: percent play success rate. That was the lowest play success

705
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: rate Seattle had in a game this season. One for

706
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: four in the red zone really kept them in this game,

707
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: making them kickfield goals and not touchdowns. Four for sixteen

708
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: on third down. It was a good defensive performance. It

709
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: wasn't great, but it was good. And I think the

710
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: main reason why it wasn't great was because they didn't

711
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: turn him over. That that was a big part of it.

712
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: The run defense was not good enough. They needed to

713
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: stop Kenneth Walker and they didn't.

714
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: He won the MVP of the game.

715
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: And I would also say there was just a handful

716
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: of plays that we can get to here as we

717
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: start to get to some of the guys I highlighted

718
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: that they had opportunities to make like big impact splash

719
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: plays and they left him on the field. And I

720
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: think the main guy that was the culprit of that

721
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: was Milton Williams, who was really disruptive in this game.

722
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: I had him with six pressures, but he missed two sacks.

723
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: Just ran right by Sam Barnold and missed two sacks

724
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: on him that were big plays in the game.

725
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: You know, one came on third down.

726
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: Those are the types of plays that if he gets

727
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: him on the ground, if he strips, sacks him, if

728
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: he forces him into a turnover like anything like that,

729
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: those are game altering type plays. So Millon Williams was

730
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: beating his block like he was winning up front, like

731
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: we've seen him win all year. He just didn't make

732
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: that splash play that really tilted the game or flipped

733
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: the game, like we saw against Denver when they get

734
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: the fumble on Jared Sidham, or we saw the pick

735
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: six against Houston, like that type of play. The pay

736
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense just couldn't find that play in this game,

737
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: and they needed it.

738
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 2: They needed one of those types of plays.

739
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Verbel talked about that that the defense made the

740
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: plays that were there to make. They didn't really create anything,

741
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 3: whether it be missing sacks like you said, Stam Darnold,

742
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: stepping away from would be tacklers, not being able to

743
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 3: find that turnover Marcus Jones comes close early. That one's

744
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: gonna gonna hurt for a little bit. Right, What if

745
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones complete said interception? How different does that game go?

746
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: So they played well, but they needed to play better

747
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: than well to win the game. It's not it's an

748
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 3: unfair ask, but sometimes that's just what happens.

749
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's I don't think it's all that unfair,

750
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, Like this was that kind of game. Seattle's

751
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: defense was dominating like we expect did. The Patriots defense

752
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: needed to dominate like that. We were hoping that they would.

753
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: Like no one came into this game thinking that the

754
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: Patriots offense was going to hang thirty on Seattle's defense,

755
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: Like you knew it was gonna be this kind of game.

756
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: And they needed some short fields, they needed some turnover production,

757
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: they needed some negative plays, and they just didn't get it.

758
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: They just didn't get They only sacked them one time.

759
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: You know, they had probably four or five opportunities to

760
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: sack them. They only sacked them once. So those are

761
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: big plays in the game.

762
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 7: You know.

763
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: Milon Williams missed a couple of them.

764
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: Jalen Hawkins missed one that almost ended it in a

765
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: JSN touchdown on a broken play that Sam Darnold just

766
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: overthrew him on Calevon Chase and I had him one

767
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: for one miss sacked, you know, down in the backfield.

768
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: So there was just a couple of missed opportunities there

769
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: from the defense. The other guy that I thought was

770
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: really really good in this game, you know, Gonzales Woodson,

771
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: Milton Williams, Anthony Jennings, I thought was pretty good in

772
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: this game as well. Yeah, but even still, you know,

773
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: he gave up his edge a couple of times to

774
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker. It runs a ten and nine that were

775
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: still there. But I thought that he was pretty impactful.

776
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: He had four stuffs in this game, had a quarterback

777
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: hit in the past rush. I'm interested to see what

778
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: his future is with this team because we're gonna talk

779
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: a lot this offseason about and rushers. Yeah, but he's

780
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: been a pretty solid player for them in the playoffs.

781
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think his role can still exist

782
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: even if they add or you know, we'll talk about

783
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: Harrold Landry's future too, and does he step in it

784
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 3: in a kind of that early down roll and they

785
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: add somebody to rush opposite Chase On assuming they re

786
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: sign him. Yeah, I thought he was good in the game. Again,

787
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: credit to him. I think he's a programmed player for

788
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: Mike Vrable at this point, a guy that you point

789
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: to and say this is you want to do it,

790
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: This is how you do it correctly. A guy that was,

791
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 3: you know, basically off the team midway through training camp

792
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: that played his way into a role. Yeah, but yeah,

793
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: it'll be interesting to see what they end up doing

794
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: with him.

795
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: Okay, a couple of quick other ones.

796
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend too much more time on

797
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: this because I know we have a lot to talk

798
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: about on the on the bads and the stuff that

799
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: get to be Carlton Davis I thought was solid in

800
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: this game. Got a couple of tough matchups against Shaheed,

801
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: who's not the type of receiver that you really want

802
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: Carlton Davis against because of the speed mismatch, and I

803
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: thought he held up pretty well offensively.

804
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: I thought the Mario Douglas was open the entire game

805
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: and they just couldn't really get to find a way

806
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: to get him the football. A big Tomorrio Douglas game.

807
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: My guess is is they felt like, because of the

808
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: way Seattle plays so many quarters coverages, that they were

809
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: going to get the slot on a safety a lot

810
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: of the time, and they were trying to use Damario

811
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: Douglas's speed. I had him open like four or five

812
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: times in this game, and they just couldn't find He

813
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: couldn't find the ball.

814
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 8: You know.

815
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: It was the deep post on the third down that

816
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: I talked about earlier, the crossing route that Drake made

817
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: his flies out and misses the throw.

818
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: Yea.

819
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: You know there was opportunities like that on this film

820
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: for Tomorrio Douglas that you make a few of those

821
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: big plays. You know, you never know, you know, a

822
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: game like that, you just never know. And I put

823
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: Matt Collins on here because he made the two only good.

824
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: Catches in the entire game. That's fair. Yeah, So that's

825
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: all I got for that. The Bads.

826
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: This was hard to kind of separate the bads from

827
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: the stuff that gets you beat. All of this could

828
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: probably go into the stuff that gets you beat. Honestly.

829
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: I put the run defense in the bads though, because

830
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: I felt like even though they gave up the five

831
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: explosive runs that were in the stuff that gets you

832
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: beat kind of category.

833
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they also stuffed a lot of runs. Yeah it

834
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: was game too.

835
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I had a tough time saying that they

836
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: lost the game because they gave up you know, what

837
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: was it one hundred and something yards to Kenneth Walker

838
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: won thirty five.

839
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: I think it was.

840
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: But the big thing that hurt them in this game

841
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 2: was the edges.

842
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: You know, they gave up one hundred and fourteen yards

843
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: on twenty one carries outside the tackles. Inside the tackles

844
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: they were pretty good. It was only three and a

845
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: half yards of carry when he ran it inside, but

846
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: when he ran it outside, there was too many lost

847
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: edges and you know, letting him win the foot race

848
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: around the corner. He bounced a couple of runs out

849
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: the backside that were you know, hurt them. Just not

850
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: the run defense that we're used to seeing from the

851
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: Patriots this postseason, really in any game with Milton Williams,

852
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: their run defense has been excellent, and it wasn't. And

853
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: this was kind of one of the keys to the game.

854
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: You knew you couldn't let their run game and their

855
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: play action passing game beat you. And that's exactly what

856
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: beat you, you know, on the Patriots defensive side.

857
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the miss tackles too, is like, remember they

858
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: were one of the worst tackling teams in the NFL

859
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 3: for the first two weeks. Yeah, we're one of the

860
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: best the rest of the way. And then it came

861
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: back and I putting them in the bad, not this.

862
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: I would put the run defense itself and the bad

863
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: the missing tackles and the stuff that gets you beat,

864
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: because if they had made some of those tackles they

865
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: had an opportunity to. They were fine. Again, it wasn't great.

866
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 3: It wasn't what it had been, but they were fine.

867
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: Where the run game really took over for Seattle was

868
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker, And we talked about this going into the

869
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: game being a potential issue. Kenneth Walker runs a lot

870
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: bigger than he is. That's where the run game went

871
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: from bad to stuff that gets you beat was the mistackle.

872
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 3: So outside of that, I think they were okay. It

873
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 3: was it wasn't great.

874
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: They made some plays. Walker made some plays.

875
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 3: You made where where it really became like the point

876
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: of no return was the miss tackles, I guess is

877
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 3: my point.

878
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you mentioned the miss tackles. That was the

879
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: next on my list.

880
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: You had that in the bad, I do have it

881
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: in the ball. I have that in stuff that gets

882
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: you beat. Oh, you got to move that down.

883
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 6: Uh.

884
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: I just rote poor fundamentals on defense because I think

885
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 1: it's more than just you know say that on both sides.

886
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: The miss tackles is a big part of it. Yeah,

887
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: PFF had them with eighteen miss tackles in this game.

888
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: Wow, eighteen. Next Gen had thirteen.

889
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 3: Has probably closed it. Those are both still high, way

890
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 3: too high, and I think that should be a single

891
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: digit number.

892
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: The biggest thing that I think was the problem in

893
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: this game too, is not just the fact that they

894
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: miss tackles, but they gave up ninety five yards after

895
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: contact in this game as well. So a lot of

896
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: the time when they've had mis tackling issues, they've actually

897
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: done a pretty good job of swarming to the ball

898
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: and getting the ball carrier down despite you know, a

899
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: lot of the mistackles are happening like near the line

900
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: of scrimmage where guys are trying to make plays on there,

901
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: and then you know they might miss the additial tackle,

902
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: but then they swarm them and they get the guy

903
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: down for like a two yard game. This was like

904
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: we're missing tackles and he's going up the sideline for

905
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: thirty yards, right, and they missed on one of his

906
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: big runs, Milton Williams missed the tackle. He got ten

907
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: more yards than Jalen Hawkins missed a tackle, he got

908
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 1: another ten yards. Like those are the types of ones

909
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: that you just can't have. I mentioned the sacks. I

910
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: counted four opportunities in the backfield to sack Sam Darnold

911
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: that they whiffed on. Okay, they had one sack in

912
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: the game. I thought they could have probably had like

913
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: five or six. You know, Milton Williams was close a

914
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: couple of times. Jalen Hawkins was close on that one

915
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: blitz off the edge. I mentioned the one to chase On.

916
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: I also felt like this kind of related to the

917
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 1: swarming aspect of it as well, because if Milton Williams

918
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: gets the initial pressure that causes Darnold to hold the

919
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: ball and move, then like somebody else should be coming

920
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: in as like the second layer to try to get

921
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: him down of Millon Williams misses. You know, That's why

922
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: you have like clean up guys, right, Like Chason's supposed

923
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: to be the garbage man, Like he's supposed to come

924
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: in and just clean up on all those pressures. And

925
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel like they had that kind of

926
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: layer to their pass. Rushing to their defense is in

927
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: this game. So I'm willing to move that to the

928
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: stuff that gets you beat.

929
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: It wasn't good.

930
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 3: I have it like that.

931
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: Tackles is a alarming number. It's too many, and Kenneth

932
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: Walker forced eight of them all by himself, So it

933
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: just it was a lotus.

934
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker's only like five pounds.

935
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's like he's building.

936
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: No, it's crazy. I would have guess he's like six

937
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: foot six.

938
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

939
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: He he's a tremendous player. He let's just you know,

940
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 3: we're we're kind of knocking the Patriots for the way

941
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: they played. I'm not saying they don't deserve it, but

942
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: let's also give some credit where credit due. Kenneth Walker's

943
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: been one of the more underrated running backs in the

944
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 3: league life last few years. Yeah, and he showed up

945
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 3: in the biggest game of the year and balled out,

946
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: So he deserves some credit. I just don't want to

947
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 3: lose sight of that. I've always been a fan of his.

948
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: He's a great player, you know.

949
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 3: Good for him for for rising to the moment.

950
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the real bad, the stuff

951
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: to get to beat.

952
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: A couple of things that I wrote down in here,

953
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: I already kind of broke down, you know, the pressure

954
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: plan v Able. We talked about the two point conversion

955
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: and all that good stuff. Let's talk about the offensive line.

956
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm of the thinking that I more look at offensive

957
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: line play when it comes to that in terms of

958
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: four man pass rush, like when you have five against four,

959
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: you need to be able to block that when they

960
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: start bringing blitzes and stuff like that. There's more that

961
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: goes into that than just offensive line. That then it becomes,

962
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, all the different stuff we talked about at

963
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: the top of the show. You know what's your answer?

964
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: What's are you checking the protection? Are you hot routing,

965
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: are you sight adjusting a route? How are you beating

966
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: a blitz? What's your problem?

967
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: Solving?

968
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: Method is much bigger than just the offensive line blocking

969
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: the guys in front of them when it comes to

970
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: pressure and it comes to blitzes. When it comes to

971
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: the four man rushes, they still allowed over a forty

972
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: percent pressure rate on four man rushes and Drake May

973
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: was sacked five times. Five of his six sacks came

974
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: on four man rushes. Now, some of that's him holding

975
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: the ball, some of that's the coverage marrying to the pressure.

976
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: But we all know the numbers that have been floated

977
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: around with Will Campbell. The fourteen numbers outrageous. It wasn't fourteen.

978
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: I had it at eight. PFF had it at eight.

979
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: I trust eight. Now eight's still too many. It's too many.

980
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: But I would just add on top of it, I'm

981
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: not trying to sugarcoat it for Will Campbell. We're going

982
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: to break him down in a second. But on top

983
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: of the fact that, I felt like everybody had a

984
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 1: turn in terms of giving up pressure in this game.

985
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it was just Will Campbell. I think

986
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: all five guys had problems in this game and had

987
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: a tough outing, even Morgan Moses. So in Mike on Winnu,

988
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: who I think I've both been really solid all year long,

989
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: gave up some key pressures in this game. You know,

990
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: the initial pressure that causes the stripsack in the fourth

991
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: quarter is Mike onwen who getting beat to his outside edge,

992
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: causing Drake made a step up in the pocket. So

993
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: it was all across the board. They did not block

994
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: well across the board in this game. I know we

995
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 1: have a lot of calls and probably emails. We have emails,

996
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: We have probably calls about the tells and all.

997
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff.

998
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: I just think they got whooped, okay, But I don't

999
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: think that it was like some magical Jared Wilson's eyes

1000
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: were looking over here instead of over there, or this

1001
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: stance was this and that stance.

1002
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: But I don't think it was that.

1003
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: I think they just got beat by the Seattle pass

1004
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: rushers all across the board. Every single offensive vineman could

1005
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: have been better in this game. Not and Will Campbell

1006
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: was the worst, but all of them struggled.

1007
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this was the worst game the year

1008
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 3: for Morgan Moses, Jared Wilson had a lot of trouble. Yeah,

1009
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: it was not a good game and it compounded, right.

1010
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 3: I think Jared Wilson of struggles in some ways hurt

1011
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 3: Will Campbell. Like the first sack of the game, Well,

1012
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: Campbell gets beat, but it's one of those plays where

1013
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: you use the term die slowly a lot. Yeah, where

1014
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 3: he's probably gonna give Drake May at least time to

1015
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 3: run out of the pocket and scramble, but that Jared

1016
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: Wilson tries to clean the guy out and ends up

1017
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: just pushing him past Campbell right to May.

1018
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1019
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: On the Derek hallsack.

1020
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that first one yeaheah, so the issues compounded. It

1021
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: was nobody played well individually, and then that made everybody

1022
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: look worse.

1023
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1024
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 1: So as for Campbell specifically, you got you gotta mention

1025
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: the knee to be fair, Like, to be fair to

1026
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: the guy, you got to mention that he had a

1027
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: pretty significant MCL spray And it sounds like a tear,

1028
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: he said yesterday of the ligament in his knee.

1029
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 2: Maybe that was a factor.

1030
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: It probably was the other thing that I was seeing

1031
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: with him is that he tends to set vertically. So

1032
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: I know that this phrasing has gone around a lot.

1033
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure people have read it on Twitter and stuff

1034
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: like that. So basically, a vertical set is like he's

1035
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: literally setting backwards, like he's trying to jump out of

1036
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: his stance and go straight backwards. And a lot of

1037
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: times they player's vertical set to buy themselves time to

1038
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: get to their set points because it creates space between

1039
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: them and the guy that's rushing on them. And I

1040
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: think the biggest issue that I have with it, and look,

1041
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: if he's most comfortable with vertical vertical sets, like, I'm

1042
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and tell him to change up

1043
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: his entire approach. I think that that's probably a mistake.

1044
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: But when you vertical set, what you're doing is you're

1045
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,479
Speaker 1: you're creating space between you and the pass rusher, which

1046
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: is giving the pass rusher now like a runway to

1047
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: run at you and convert speed to power. I just

1048
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: don't understand with his body type, why that's the type

1049
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: of set that he would use, because what's happening is

1050
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: is that he's vertically setting into the backfield, which is

1051
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: already putting him further into the quarterback into the pocket

1052
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: right than you naturally would be on an angled set anyways.

1053
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, he doesn't have the

1054
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: reach advantage. So what he's happening is he's now he's

1055
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: catching guys like he's literally catching them, but when he

1056
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: catches them, he's not catching them with his feet in

1057
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: the ground, so his feet or go are still moving.

1058
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: He doesn't have the.

1059
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: Length to reach out and touch the guy first and

1060
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: establish that first contact. So now he's on his heels

1061
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: and now he's back into the quarterback's lap. So to me, it's,

1062
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, one like, does he need to be more

1063
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: aggressive with the pass sets and be set more angrarly

1064
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: like at a forty five degree angle so that he

1065
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: can go out and cut off the angle and go

1066
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: get the guy instead of having the guy come to him.

1067
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: Right and two, you know, I think a lot of

1068
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: what the Ligne guys are saying is like his hands

1069
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: are just late, Like his strike timing is just late, not.

1070
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 3: Even really using his inside hand.

1071
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's kind of just letting them into his

1072
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: chest and letting him them into his frame.

1073
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: And that's a lot that's gonna let him. You know,

1074
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: he's going to be vulnerable at to power when he

1075
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 2: does that. So, you know, is it fixable.

1076
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: I think it is fixable, But let's not lose sight

1077
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: of the fact that this is a length issue. But

1078
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: it's about the best way to kind of circumvent that issue,

1079
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: Like how do you best mask that issue? And every player,

1080
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: you know has deficiencies, you know, every player has you know,

1081
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: some receivers are faster than others, some receivers are quicker

1082
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: than others. Some receivers catch the ball well, some of

1083
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: the receivers catch the ball you know in traffic.

1084
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: Well, like there's everybody has trains.

1085
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: And weaknesses, Right, it's just about how do you at

1086
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: this level, how do you manage all those strengths and weaknesses.

1087
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: And right now, I feel like his technique is letting

1088
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: him down. Like he's he's trying to use a technique

1089
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: that I typically see with like the big dudes, like

1090
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: a Trent Brown, like is like a guy that vertical

1091
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: sets a lot, because he's just gonna say, I'm gonna

1092
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: sit back, I'm gonna brace for contact, I'm gonna put

1093
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: my feet in the ground, and when you hit me,

1094
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: you're just gonna be running.

1095
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 3: Into a wall.

1096
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: Right, And the problem with Will Campbell is that his

1097
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: feet aer moving on top of the fact that he's

1098
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: already vertically setting, and so now when he gets run into,

1099
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: he's just going backwards. And you just can't have that combination.

1100
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: So what's the answer, what's like his solution? I think

1101
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of these O line experts, you know,

1102
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: Mitchell Schwartz, Tron Armstead, Duke manniwet.

1103
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 3: Is line experts, well except for the awesome guys who

1104
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: played the position.

1105
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, these guys are coming out and saying this because

1106
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: there are ways technically.

1107
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 3: To work around his body type, right, he's just.

1108
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 2: Not doing them.

1109
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 3: There's also, I mean, you know, it'll help. It's gonna

1110
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 3: be his first off season NFL program, putting on muscle,

1111
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 3: putting on size.

1112
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, his anchor, he needs to work on his anchor.

1113
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: He needs to get some more sand in his pants,

1114
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: like just getting healthier. And I think a bit a

1115
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: big problem with the anchor though, is like his feet

1116
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: aren't in the ground, so like when you vertically said

1117
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: you want to stop your feet and sink your feet

1118
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: into the ground, And.

1119
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 3: Now he keeps getting hit in the back pedal, right

1120
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 3: and that way.

1121
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: There you're bracing for the contact. It's I think that

1122
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: it's fixable. I really do.

1123
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: And I think that he's played the position well enough

1124
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: to give him at least another year to try to

1125
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: fix it.

1126
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 2: At left tackle, Yeah, I don't.

1127
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: I'm not subscribing to moving him, and I don't think

1128
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: the Patriots are either.

1129
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 3: I mean, Mike Vrabel made that very clear yesterday.

1130
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 1: And I think that's the right decision. You know, because

1131
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: we talked about this all off season last year. Where

1132
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 1: else are you going to find a starting caliber left tackle,

1133
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: Like unless you just assume that you're gonna luck into

1134
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: Jordan Mylotta in the seventh round and you're gonna turn

1135
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: him into a starting caliber left tackle.

1136
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: We've seen that.

1137
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: We've been down this road before with the Patriots. Like

1138
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: it's not they don't become available in free agency. They

1139
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: very seldom get traded. They get drafted. The ones that

1140
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: are good enough get drafted very very high in the draft.

1141
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: So when you're picking thirty first overall and the veteran

1142
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: market's really not a great avenue to define left tackles, like,

1143
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: where's it coming from if you start moving him around?

1144
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: So the one suggesting that I would make though, is

1145
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: and I don't think that he's getting talked about enough

1146
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: because Will Campbell is getting all the heat.

1147
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: I think Jared Wilson is the one that needs to move.

1148
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: Yes, Like I think Jared Wilson if they really like

1149
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: him and they feel like he's a starting caliber player,

1150
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: then I think Jared Wilson needs to move to center.

1151
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: And then you need to sign a I would love

1152
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: for them, and they missed the boat on Joe Toney

1153
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: last year and that was the move and whatever I digress,

1154
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: I would love for them to sign a veteran left

1155
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: guard that could really make Will Campbell's job easier, you know,

1156
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: that can help him. That is maybe a little bit

1157
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: wider bodied, you know, takes up a little bit more space,

1158
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: kind of covers up for some of the weaknesses in

1159
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: Will Campbell's game by having a guy next to him

1160
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: that is been there, that's done it and plays at

1161
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: a high level.

1162
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: I think that that could go a long way.

1163
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: When you put two rookies next to each other on

1164
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: the line, they're just you're just playing target practice at

1165
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: that point, especially against these good defenses. You know, defense

1166
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: are gonna blitz over them. They're just gonna put their

1167
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: best rushers over them, and it's gonna be a long

1168
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: day at the office. At least if you space those

1169
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: guys out a little bit on the line, they they

1170
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: can't They're isolated and you can't just go right at them.

1171
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: So if you have a Winnu at right guard, you

1172
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: have Wilson at center, and you sign a left guard

1173
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: that can play, you know, a veteran left guard that

1174
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: can play well, now you have two veterans on either

1175
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: side of Campbell and Wilson right and you have and

1176
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: you can sort of mitigate that damage a little bit.

1177
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: So I think that if we're talking about moving guys,

1178
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: the piece to move is Jared Wilson in terms of

1179
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: where he's playing on the line. If we're talking about

1180
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: Will Campbell's future, I think the move is to coach

1181
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: him up and get his get him to be better

1182
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: with his technique, and have him use techniques that are

1183
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: better for his body type as well.

1184
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: So that's the offensive line. Now we got to talk

1185
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: about the quarterback.

1186
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: I think the combination of things with Drake May in

1187
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: this game, just right off the bat, from an accuracy standpoint,

1188
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: I had him with five just blatant misthrows, you know,

1189
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: poor accuracy.

1190
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: Just can't have him type throws.

1191
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: The other thing that I would say, and I know

1192
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: that clip with Julian Love is going around of him

1193
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: saying that he's hesitant. I definitely think that his lack

1194
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: of trust stemmed from some of the struggles that he's

1195
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: had in these playoffs.

1196
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: I think he lost his confidence.

1197
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he had a rational confidence before he

1198
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: would test windows down the field, he would let it lose,

1199
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: he'd rip it into tight zone windows across the middle

1200
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: of the field, just like he did to Matt Collins

1201
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 1: on the twenty four yarder. He had seen those types

1202
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: of throws on Drake May's film all season long, and

1203
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: in this game, there are just so many instances where

1204
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: I was like, why isn't he you know, Diggs is

1205
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: winning on a little fade route, Like why is he

1206
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: not giving him a chance?

1207
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: You know, throwing the ball.

1208
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: You guys, you know are are you know, split in

1209
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: the seams and he's just not ripping the ball between

1210
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: the safeties. You know, things like that that we're just

1211
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: so used to seeing Drake May do in the regular season.

1212
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: I saw a player that lost his confidence. I saw

1213
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: a player that was probably trying to be too careful

1214
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: with the football, you know, in terms of not turning

1215
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: the ball over and being a little bit too conservative

1216
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: with his decision making. I did see a guy that

1217
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: was a little stuck on reeds at times as well. Now,

1218
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: some of that was the way that the players were

1219
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: designed and the way that they were running the offense.

1220
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: The last thing that I think we have to discuss

1221
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: with Drake May just a little bit, is all this

1222
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: protection stuff that we're taping about pre snap. At least

1223
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: some of that falls on the quarterback. Now, he's a

1224
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: young kid. I get that, he's a second year quarterback.

1225
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: He's twenty three years old. It's a lot to ask

1226
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: him to get to the line of scrimmage, see a

1227
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 1: blitz coming, pre snap, check a protection, change a route,

1228
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: get them into the right play, and then run the

1229
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: play successfully.

1230
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,479
Speaker 2: Like that's an undertaking. It's a big thing. Yeah, that's

1231
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 2: but that's professional football. Like that's quarterback again.

1232
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: And maybe he's not going to be Tom Brady where

1233
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: he's going to be able to direct traffic, you know,

1234
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: and be able to fix all these different things and

1235
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: all these different problems. But he has to get them

1236
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: into the right play. And I remember, you know, I

1237
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: love that quote from Brady. I didn't want to snap

1238
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: the ball into a bad defense, right, Like how if

1239
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: the defense is showing me something and I know this

1240
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: play is going isn't going to work against this defense?

1241
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: Like how can we get out of that play? And

1242
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: how can we get out of that into a better

1243
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: play against that defense? Like that's the type of approach

1244
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: that Josh McDaniels drills it to his quarterbacks, Like that's

1245
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: what they this offense is supposed to allow the quarterback

1246
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: to do. That's why the quarterback has all the controls

1247
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. So the one sort of

1248
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: out that I will give Josh McDaniels, you had a

1249
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: second year quarterback whose first year in the system, and

1250
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 1: you had two rookie starters on the offensive line.

1251
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1252
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: I think what ended up happening a lot is that

1253
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: they got really predictable production wise. They probably did not

1254
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: have the full library of protections that Josh McDaniels is

1255
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: used to having, So they had maybe a couple of

1256
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: different protections that they could, you know, get in and

1257
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 1: out of, but for the most part, it was kind

1258
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: of half slide man to man the backside, and that

1259
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: was kind of what they were doing. So when they

1260
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: were going three by one, you know, three receivers to

1261
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: the one side of the formation, Seattle was just blitzing

1262
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: off the backside and they were bringing heat off the backside,

1263
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: which was in you know, taking advantage of the man's

1264
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: side of the protection. Right, So like the two guys

1265
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: on that side of the center are locked in man

1266
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: to man on the two players, so if you add

1267
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: a third player in there, there's just nobody to block them.

1268
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: And I think that they got kind of what's the

1269
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: word like simple with their protections. They got a little

1270
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: bit watered down. And I would also say the same

1271
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: thing with the route concepts. You know, if I saw

1272
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: them run dagger one more time in this game, it

1273
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: was they ran dagger probably ten times in this game.

1274
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that comes back to,

1275
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, what can we execute, Like what can we

1276
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: go out there and realistically block and execute? And they

1277
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: just only had so many tools in the tool belt,

1278
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: and against the great defense like Seattle, you need changeups,

1279
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: like you need more than just a couple of things.

1280
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's it's a good way to lay

1281
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 3: it out. You covered a lot of it there.

1282
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: Okay, I think I think I did enough. I think

1283
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: I vented enough about this this one. I have to

1284
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: admit it's not a game, and I don't know how

1285
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: you feel about it. It's not a game that stings me,

1286
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: like like they lost the Super Bowl like seventeen or

1287
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven or something like those ones hurt

1288
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: like that, that's stuff. This one is bothering me because

1289
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: I think there was so many things that they could

1290
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: have done to counter what Seattle was doing, and they

1291
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: just didn't do any of them. And it was kind

1292
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: of like I felt like it almost was like they

1293
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: woke up from a dream in the middle of the

1294
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: game and were like, oh crap, the super Bowl started,

1295
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, and like they didn't have they just had

1296
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: so many different like answers or so many different checks

1297
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: or so many different solutions to the problems that Seattle

1298
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: was presenting to them, and they just kind of drop

1299
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: the ball all of it. And so I keep on

1300
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: going back through this game being like if they had

1301
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: just done this, if they had just done that, not

1302
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: like in a way of like, man, I'm so like

1303
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: gutted that they lost. It was in a way of

1304
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: like they could have played so much better than that,

1305
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: Like they could have played so much better than that,

1306
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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. I got home from the Super Bowl, Alex,

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Speaker 1: and this is what happens when you're married. Okay, when

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Speaker 1: and everything is all sunshines and rainbows. The next day,

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Speaker 2: a new couch.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I've been told that this weekend, we will

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Speaker 1: be going to our lovely friends at Bob's to shop

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Speaker 1: for couches.

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Speaker 1: we just read their hopefully. All right, let's get to

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Speaker 1: the phones. I know you guys have been waiting. Sean

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Speaker 1: is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean?

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Speaker 9: You know the super Bowl? Obviously we're all disappointed with it.

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Speaker 9: But the way I see it is this is the

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Speaker 9: best team the Patriots had since twenty eighteen. But the

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Speaker 9: future is way brighter. We're going to get better and

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Speaker 9: even like you said, the schedule stuff or you might

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Speaker 9: not notice it in terms of wins next season, I

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Speaker 9: have faith that the Patriots will be back and are

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Speaker 9: definitely on the right trend. The question I have though,

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Speaker 9: is for the off season players to bring back. There's

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Speaker 9: two free agents that I think should really be resigned,

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Speaker 9: ke Tason and Caius Toga, and I also agree that

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Speaker 9: Christian Gonzales should be extended. If there's anyone else, let

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Speaker 9: me know and I'll leave you that go past.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Sean. Yeah, there, So the Patrios

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Speaker 1: only have six unrestricted free agents.

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Speaker 3: Here we all get the list for you. It is Hooper,

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Speaker 3: Austin Hooper, Darian Loath, Theer Munford, Kiris Tong and Kleon,

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Speaker 3: Chase On and Jalen Hawkins. Yeah, so here we go

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Speaker 3: off season.

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Speaker 2: Now restricted free agent Jack Gibbons.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope he should be back, so put.

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Speaker 2: That in there. But overall not a long list.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm very interested to see what happens with Kylevon

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Speaker 1: Chase one. He's at the point of his career now

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Speaker 1: where he's going to be looking to cash in. This

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Speaker 1: is not going to be another one year prove it deal,

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Speaker 1: especially after the season that he had. He's probably gonna

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Speaker 1: get I don't know, you know, I was interested. I

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Speaker 1: was actually putting the list together.

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Speaker 2: Today.

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Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna just write a quick thing about they

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Speaker 1: only have six of them, so it's pretty easy to

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Speaker 1: write about this free agency list here. With Chase On,

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Speaker 1: you know, spot Track only has his estimated value around

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Speaker 1: nine or ten million a year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's going to be more than that too.

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Speaker 1: Could be how much more, I don't know, but I

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Speaker 1: think that you're looking probably at like three for forty five,

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Speaker 1: you know, three years for forty five totals fifteen a year.

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Speaker 1: I think that that's probably the ceiling for him and

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Speaker 1: probably what he's going to be shooting for. How much

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Speaker 1: is that real money? How much is that you know,

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Speaker 1: guaranteed or whatever remains to be seen, but h three

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Speaker 1: years fifteen million per forty five million, you know, total

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Speaker 1: value with all the stuff baked in, Like, is that

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Speaker 1: too rich for your blood?

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Speaker 2: For Chase On?

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Speaker 3: No, because they need two guys, so you know, it's

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Speaker 3: just you're gonna have to add two edge rushers. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: you can get it done before he hits the open market,

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Speaker 3: and you can relatively keep that total in check. It's

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Speaker 3: probably beneficial. I don't think this year is total fluke,

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Speaker 3: and part of it is Milton Williams definitely helped. But

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Speaker 3: he's gonna be back next to Milton Williams long as

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Speaker 3: he's here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would agree.

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Speaker 1: I would be cautious, and I think the was it

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01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: the twenty two off season where they've been moved all

1452
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Speaker 1: the parts on the offensive line and blew the whole

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Speaker 1: thing up. I would be cautious of something like that

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Speaker 1: happening where now you go into next season or into

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Speaker 1: the off season, you lose Calebon Chason in free agency,

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Speaker 1: and now you need two starting edge rushers and not

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Speaker 1: just one right where you should be adding to this

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Speaker 1: team and you should be stacking talent on the roster,

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Speaker 1: and now you're just you know, if you use the

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Speaker 1: analogy of like a canoe, you have holes and now

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Speaker 1: you just created another hole in the canoe, and now

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Speaker 1: you're taking on water.

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Speaker 2: Right, That's what they did to the offensive line in.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two when they traded Jack Mason, and they

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Speaker 1: let Joe Toney walk, and they let Ted Carris walk

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Speaker 1: and they kind of never recovered from that. So I

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Speaker 1: would just like to see them try to lock up

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Speaker 1: Chase On if they can. I just don't know if

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Speaker 1: they're going to be able to. I think that money

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Speaker 1: might get a lot more than what spot track is saying.

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Speaker 2: But we'll see. Gets get back to it here. Patty

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Speaker 2: is an aguam, What is upad Hey, good afternoon, Jens,

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 10: So I got a few things to discuss, and I'll

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Speaker 10: try and make him quick. The first thing I would say,

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Speaker 10: we're disregarding the game. I think obviously the offensive line

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01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 10: was an issue, but I kind of feel like he

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01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 10: brings me back to like Dick Rayvines his nose on

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01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 10: Tom Brady after his rookie year, where he's like everything

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Speaker 10: he has to do, he just has to do faster

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Speaker 10: and ev And I know you said, like you don't

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Speaker 10: want to see him become a checkdown Charlie, but he

1483
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 10: just has to make be able to see the defense

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01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 10: make quicker decisions and when he needs to just get

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01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 10: rid of the ball faster. That's obvious. And I do

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Speaker 10: believe you said something to that effect yesterday. Priority number

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Speaker 10: one in the off season should be resigning Christian Gonzales,

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Speaker 10: followed by trying to resign Taga and Chase On Then

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Speaker 10: I would I would do my best to make moves

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Speaker 10: for Max Crossey. And I know you said you don't

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01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 10: think there's going to be like a lot of wholesale

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01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 10: changes to the roster, but there are there are needs.

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01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 10: I mean, they are going to need to eventually find

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01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 10: a replacement for Morgan Moses Hunter. Henry's our only tight

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01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 10: end on the roster that's rostered going into twenty twenty six,

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01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 10: and he's going to be what thirty one years old.

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01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 10: We're going to need a left guard there's just there's

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01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 10: positions to fill. It's not a lot, it's not as

1499
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Speaker 10: daunting as it was last year. But after what they

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Speaker 10: did this passed off season, I have the utmost faith

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01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 10: in Brabel and the front off the staff going forwards.

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01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 10: And we got the biggest puzzle piece, we got the quarterback.

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01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 10: So you know, I'm optimistic.

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Speaker 5: I was.

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Speaker 10: I was pissed off Sunday night, but I got I

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01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 10: quickly got over it because we just I felt like

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01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 10: we just got out classed and that's all I got today.

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Speaker 2: Guys, thanks, thanks for the call.

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01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and no one's saying there isn't needs, But now

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01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: they're just like every other team where they just have needs.

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01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: Before they needed a whole new team like that. That

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01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: that's a different animal. This is now like they just

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01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: have holes to fill like any other normal, you know,

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01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: good team would have. You know, they need We're talking

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01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: about them needing a left guard. We're talking about them needing,

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01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: you know, a younger, you know, more developmental type of

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01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: tight end.

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Speaker 2: Potentially.

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Speaker 1: You know, they have needs in terms of can you

1520
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: make moves to put you over the top. A number

1521
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: one wide receiver, a stud pass rusher on the outside,

1522
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 1: you know, a Max Crosby and AJ Brown, like those

1523
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: types of moves. Those are not the types of moves

1524
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,600
Speaker 1: that they were making the last two off seasons. The

1525
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: last two off seasons, they were rebuilding the entire roster.

1526
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: Now they're just trying to look at what's left and

1527
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, can we fill some different things here and there?

1528
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: You know, I think we're gonna have a lot of

1529
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: conversations about wide receivers. And I don't think that adding

1530
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,679
Speaker 1: another day two wide receiver to the pool of wide

1531
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 1: receivers that they currently have is the conversation that we

1532
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: should be having. The conversation that we should be having

1533
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: is who is the A J. Brown trade? And maybe

1534
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: it's just a J. Brown, but like, like where what's

1535
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: the what move is that? You know it didn't work

1536
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: out for them, but you know, Miami trading for Tyreek Hill,

1537
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: the Eagles trading for a J. Brown h you know

1538
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: those types of moves. That's where the Patriots are now.

1539
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: They are in the window. They they their window is

1540
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,560
Speaker 1: wide open and this is the time to strike with

1541
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: Drake made cheap for the next three years. So it's

1542
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: a much different ballgame. And that's all I'm trying to

1543
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 1: get across like you're talking about left guard, tight end safety,

1544
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: Like maybe it's these are not but my point is

1545
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 1: these are not like premium.

1546
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 3: This is not even positions outside of edge rusher is

1547
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 3: the one big one.

1548
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 1: This is not quarterback, left tackle, edge rusher. Well, they nerush,

1549
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: but they need a edge rusher. I don't know if

1550
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: like if it is Max Crosby, then great.

1551
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 3: But they ed rusher need but on safety real quick

1552
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 3: because we've got two calls on it. Yeah, I Jalen

1553
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 3: Hawkins should be is on the list of guys they

1554
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 3: should bring back. He's probably not gonna cost a ton. Yeah,

1555
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 3: played well last year next to Woodson. I look to

1556
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 3: I don't really break the bank. And look, he's twenty

1557
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 3: nine and he may be looking for his last big contract,

1558
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 3: but he should be in the conversation the guys to

1559
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 3: be brought back.

1560
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree.

1561
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:26,759
Speaker 1: I am again, Like my mindset is they need to add,

1562
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: you know, things to the house. We should not be

1563
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: subtracting things to the house that don't need to be subtracted,

1564
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 1: right yea. So if you're gonna go out there and

1565
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna say we can upgrade Jalen Hawkins and then sure,

1566
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 1: go out there and upgrade Jalen Hawkins, but you should

1567
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 1: not be doing any worse than Jalen Hawkins, you know,

1568
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: And they don't need to go now back in the

1569
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: draft and draft somebody and like Develde, like if they're

1570
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: two starting.

1571
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 3: Safeties next year, Craig Woodson and Jalen Hawkins, and I

1572
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 3: feel good about that.

1573
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean they just made the Super Bowl at that right,

1574
01:12:56,040 --> 01:13:00,759
Speaker 1: he'sact starting safeties, all right. Next caller here is Randy

1575
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: in Providence. What's that, Brandy?

1576
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 4: How's it going? Guys? I'm glad you talked on touched

1577
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 4: on Hawkins because I think he's an important piece to

1578
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 4: come back. I think he did a really good job

1579
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 4: this year, and I think you could get him back

1580
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 4: for something comparable to like what Jeremy Chin signed last

1581
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 4: off season with the I think he signed with the

1582
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 4: Raiders is two years, sixteen million, something in that neighborhood

1583
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 4: and lengths maybe for Hawkins would be great. I think

1584
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 4: that also. You know, you guys haven't really mentioned it

1585
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 4: at all, but there's value in enjoying your job. There's

1586
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 4: value in the enjoying coming to work. And I think

1587
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 4: the Patriots have that now in a way that they

1588
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 4: didn't in the past. I think you touched on it earlier.

1589
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 4: Left guard is the biggest position, and I think Jared

1590
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 4: Wilson needs to move over to center. He was my

1591
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 4: impression in this summer last year, but he really only

1592
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 4: moved to guard because he had difficulty stamping the ball,

1593
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 4: and I think in his first off season it's a

1594
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 4: great opportunity for him to work on that. When you

1595
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 4: talk talked about tight ends too, I think Padre Henry

1596
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 4: like he costs a lot of money for what he brings.

1597
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 4: He brings leadership. He does bring leadership, he brings you know,

1598
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 4: I know he's got to throw in chemistry with Drake,

1599
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, he's producing, you know,

1600
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 4: forty five yards a game last year and like thirty

1601
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 4: seven yards of a game over his tenure with the Patriots.

1602
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 4: I just don't think he should be like the first

1603
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 4: receiving option in that room. I think you see a

1604
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 4: kid like Isaiah likely bring a local kid back home.

1605
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 4: He proved to be a really good receiving option for Baltimore.

1606
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 4: I wonder what you think about getting him in the

1607
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 4: draft and then, like you said, getting an experience left guard,

1608
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 4: and maybe targeting a left guard back up in the

1609
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 4: draft too, to kind of train up behind him. Maybe

1610
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,839
Speaker 4: someone like, I don't know, Jeremiah Wright out of Auburn,

1611
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 4: who you could get early on day three or late

1612
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 4: on day two.

1613
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 2: Maybe thanks for the call, Randy.

1614
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that they moved Jared Wilson to left

1615
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: guard out of necessity.

1616
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1617
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 1: I think that they saw early on that Garrett Bradbury

1618
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 1: was going to be solid for them at center and

1619
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: maybe have a bounce back year. Left guard became kind

1620
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: of the camp competition spot between Jared Wilson and Ben

1621
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: Brown and Cole Strange, and Jared Wilson was just good

1622
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: enough as a young player as a rookie that they

1623
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: drafted pretty high that the tie kind of went to

1624
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: the runner and it was, you know, that was Jared Wilson,

1625
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,600
Speaker 1: and he ended up starting there. I don't think that

1626
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: they drafted him to be a left guard. I think

1627
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: they drafted him to be a center. But then they

1628
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: got there, and and brad Bury looked pretty good in camp,

1629
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: and and so they stuck with it, and that's how

1630
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 1: we got to where we are. The tight ends in

1631
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 1: free agency are appealing that's probably the one of the

1632
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: few places in free agency where there is talent in

1633
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: this free agency.

1634
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 2: Class is at tight end.

1635
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: Yet two the caller mentioned Isaiah likely Kyle Pitts is

1636
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: a free agent as well. Uh, the one thing that

1637
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 1: I have hesitation with, just slight hesitation with, is neither

1638
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: one of those guys is a particularly good blocker.

1639
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 7: And so.

1640
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 2: How are you kind of creating mismatches in the passing

1641
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 2: game if you're not running the.

1642
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: Football effectively with those players on the field. So I

1643
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: think that was a big problem that they had this

1644
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,919
Speaker 1: year and why they didn't feature as much twelve personnel

1645
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: as I think a lot of us expected them to

1646
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 1: do with Hooper and Henry is that those two guys

1647
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: weren't blocking particularly well. So when they put twelve on

1648
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 1: the field, it didn't force defenses to play nickel or

1649
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: to get out of nickel and play base defense. It

1650
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: kept nickel on the field, and then you don't get

1651
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 1: the mismatches in the passing game that you're trying to

1652
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: create by putting heavy personnel on the field. So if

1653
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: you sign a guy like Kyle Pitts or Isaiah likely

1654
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 1: absolutely upgrades in terms of their receiving talent. No doubt

1655
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: about it that those two guys are better, younger, more

1656
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: explosive playmakers than the ones that they have. But are

1657
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: you basically when you go twelve or when you put

1658
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: likelier pits on the field. I think teams are going

1659
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: to kind of treat that as eleven and they're just

1660
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: gonna keep Nickel on the field and dare you to

1661
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,719
Speaker 1: run it at them with those players as your inline

1662
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 1: tight ends. I don't know if that's gonna work. I

1663
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 1: guess is the long way to graham this house with

1664
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 1: that answer. I think that this is kind of what

1665
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: happened with Atlanta. Is like Kyle Pitts is a freak,

1666
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: Like he's a great athlete, but when they teams were

1667
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,719
Speaker 1: not overreacting to their run game because of Kyle Pitts

1668
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: and because of some of the shortcomings that they had

1669
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: run blocking. You know, this was a big reason why

1670
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 1: and I know they didn't use it enough in the

1671
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but this was a big reason why the

1672
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: Patriots went to six Z line is because the only

1673
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: way that they could be a really good running team

1674
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 1: is by getting an extra blocker on the field that

1675
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: could actually, you know, really move weight because the tight

1676
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 1: ends in the full back couldn't right. So that would

1677
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,799
Speaker 1: be my one hesitation with it. But if your argument

1678
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: is that Drake May would love throwing to Kyle Pitts,

1679
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: I agree.

1680
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 2: I think he would.

1681
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: I think Kyle Pitts is the exact type of receiver

1682
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,600
Speaker 1: Drake May would love throwing too. It's kind of just

1683
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 1: like a tight end version of Mac Collins. You know,

1684
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: there's size, there's a catch radius, there's an explosiveness.

1685
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 10: You know that.

1686
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: All that stuff is great. So I'm not anti it.

1687
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: I just would like to, you know, the minutia point it,

1688
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: I think is important. They need a tight end that

1689
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: can block absolutely. Jared's in South Carolina. What's up, Jared?

1690
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 2: Jared? All right? Call us back, Jared and we'll get

1691
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 2: you on. All right, Eldred, what's going on? Eldred?

1692
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 11: Hey, how are we doing doing? I'm not doing too good.

1693
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 11: But it's a couple of things that I sort of

1694
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 11: disagree with y'all about. Y'all just can't believe to see

1695
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 11: how the man for man on the front deep of

1696
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 11: the line was way better than ow. I mean even

1697
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 11: the people that rotated in. So it's mainly the players

1698
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 11: and I think our quarterback got sped up and had

1699
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 11: mental blocks because of a couple of those throws you

1700
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 11: said he was missing, you know, like that back shoulder

1701
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 11: to uh to the witch call, and he had he

1702
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 11: had Stevenson in the flat and he's right there. He

1703
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 11: just didn't see him. I think he gets sped up

1704
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 11: and he just got you know, over him by that defense.

1705
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 11: And when he was coming off the right side, the

1706
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 11: slot corners was waving, but Drake didn't see him. You

1707
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 11: were looking to the left, you know most of the time.

1708
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 11: But but they young understand that they gonna get better

1709
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 11: after after you know, this year, at least I hope

1710
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 11: they do. But you're talking about whide receives the draft.

1711
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 11: Still I'm still looking at Chris Brosaldi from Tennessee six

1712
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 11: five four four four three. And that's another T Max

1713
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 11: every market. Like I tell you about T Max the

1714
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 11: first time, you laughed at me. So what you think now?

1715
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 2: And I let not take it off the air, thanks, Aldred.

1716
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,719
Speaker 1: I think that Drake may would have been on his butt,

1717
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: and that would have been just like he wasn't ended

1718
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 1: up being anyways. Anyways, what was the first point, oh about? Yeah,

1719
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: like Seattle definitely was just a better team and one

1720
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 1: up front. But like again, like what would so the

1721
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 1: Patriots were just supposed to sit there and say, well,

1722
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: they're just better than us, so we're just gonna take

1723
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: our ball and go home. Like there was no adjustments

1724
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: they could have made. There was no you know, schematic

1725
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: tweaks that they could have made, Like, I just won't

1726
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: accept that. I think too much of Mike Rabel and

1727
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. I think they're too capable as coaches to

1728
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 1: just basically chalk it up to they were just better

1729
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: than us and there was nothing we could have done

1730
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: better coaching wise or schematically to try to help the

1731
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: offensive line.

1732
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 2: We were just screwed.

1733
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 1: Like, I just don't I think that that's I think

1734
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 1: that there's more to it than that. I guess, like,

1735
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: I just think that there's always an answer, There's always

1736
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: something that you could do differently. I laid out like

1737
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: ten things that they could have tried to do that

1738
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: would have been different and would have maybe helped, and

1739
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: they didn't really do any of them. So we all

1740
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,799
Speaker 1: can kind of sit here and say, full stop, Seattle

1741
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:54,560
Speaker 1: was just the better team and they won one on

1742
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,719
Speaker 1: one matchups and they their guys beat the Patriots guys.

1743
01:20:58,040 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 2: Like absolutely positively true.

1744
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: But if you know that you're at a talent disadvantage,

1745
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: then the coaching needs to do some things to help

1746
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 1: out the talent, right, Like they need to help out

1747
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: their guys and try to make life easier on them.

1748
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: And I just I didn't think they did a good

1749
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: enough job of that. So I think both things can

1750
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: be true. And we see it all the time, Like

1751
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 1: there were probably times this year where the Patriots were

1752
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: facing teams that had a little bit more talent than

1753
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: they did, but coaching and you know, just vibes, frankly,

1754
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff just elevated the Patriots above

1755
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: the opponent. Yeah, and this time they just couldn't do it.

1756
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: They just couldn't pull it out one more time. All right,

1757
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: let's get.

1758
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 3: To some real quick to his last point, Chris Brasel, Yeah,

1759
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 3: he is the latest Tennessee outside speaker, Dante Thornton, Dante Thornton,

1760
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 3: John Hyatt, that player any interest. I mean, there's more aes,

1761
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 3: not exact same play.

1762
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: I just think, like, like I was saying earlier, I'm

1763
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 1: just kind of sick and tired of like throwing the

1764
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: darts at the position. I I like, if you're gonna

1765
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 1: going out and get a wide receiver and to like

1766
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:03,759
Speaker 1: go get one, that's.

1767
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 2: Gonna go get go get again.

1768
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 3: I'm with you the day like the day two guys,

1769
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 3: the flyer guys, like if they want to take guy

1770
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 3: late lately whatever, but like they have Kyle Williams.

1771
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams, Booty and Pop, like those are those guys.

1772
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 2: Those are the dark right.

1773
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 3: If they're gonna go wide receiver, either go for it,

1774
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 3: which by the way, they are probably out of range

1775
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 3: for your guy, Mikayle Lemon now, so you know Casey

1776
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 3: Conception own or Denzel Boston in the first round, or

1777
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 3: go get it. If they're going to add a wide

1778
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 3: receiver this offseason, to me, it's a veteran. It's an

1779
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 3: established veteran. It's an AJ Brown kind of player.

1780
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: Go trade for one, right, Go trade for one of

1781
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: these guys that's disgruntled and wants to move. You know,

1782
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: I know Max Crosby wants to move to I would

1783
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: love that move as well. You know what, whatever it takes,

1784
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 1: this is they're in that position, you know, I think, yeah,

1785
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 1: we sort of talked about this, and I keep coming

1786
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 1: back to this one particular trade when I the Cowboys

1787
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: trade and Michael Parsons and people called into the show

1788
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 1: and said, why weren't the Patriots and on Michael Parsons

1789
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: and we all said, it's too early, like they're not

1790
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: ready for that move yet. Then they went on and

1791
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 1: they went fourteen and three and made the Super Bowl.

1792
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 1: Now I feel differently, they're in the They're in that

1793
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: mode now. You know, Drake may is an MVP candidate,

1794
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel is one of the best coaches in football.

1795
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 1: You know, they are in that position now that they

1796
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: don't need the thirty first pick in the draft. If that,

1797
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 1: if that picks traded for Max Crosby, that's a that's

1798
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: a win now move that they should be interested in making.

1799
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 1: So I look at the same way at wide receiver,

1800
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 1: they don't need another Kyle Williams, and disrespect to Kyle Williams.

1801
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: They just have you have Kyle Willias, like you have

1802
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,640
Speaker 1: your developmental speedster that they can hopefully you know.

1803
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 6: Uh.

1804
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 3: And it's not like we kind of went against that

1805
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 3: a little bit last year, but it was it wasn't

1806
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 3: it was different front office, right, Yeah, Uh, you know,

1807
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 3: because with with like Jalen Polk and and and uh

1808
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 3: how quick you forget uh Bakers Baker, I think that

1809
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 3: you know, this is the group that drafted Kyle Williams.

1810
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 3: Now it's like you drafted him the top one hundred.

1811
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 1: I think Kyle Williams, and it's not Jalen Polk had

1812
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 1: flashes like in his training cap right very early on

1813
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 1: his rookie season. I think Kyle, Kyle Pitts, Kyle Williams

1814
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: has shown a little bit more than Oh.

1815
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 3: Yes, no, I don't mean to compare them as players.

1816
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 3: I just mean it in the sense of, like I'm

1817
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 3: very big on you draft a guy in the top

1818
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 3: one hundred, you don't give up on him after a year. Yeah,

1819
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 3: last year was an exception because the people in charge

1820
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 3: weren't the people who drafted those players. It's not there's

1821
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 3: carry over this year. We haven't done a carryover off

1822
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 3: season in a little bit here, Evan, So.

1823
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 1: There should be coaching staff carry over too. So it's

1824
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: not they're not going to be changing systems again.

1825
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 3: They're not going to be doing that, right, So I

1826
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 3: think you, you know, Kyle Williams deserves a longer look

1827
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 3: here Okay.

1828
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:42,959
Speaker 2: Let's get to some of these emails.

1829
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, like I'm trying to like

1830
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 1: get this this weight lifted off my shoulders of like

1831
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: the frustration from that that offensive game planet, and I'm

1832
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: trying to like just like wash it away.

1833
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so let's get to some of these.

1834
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 3: Let's get into the emails. U.

1835
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: This is Barton Poland emails in with the point that

1836
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 1: I've been kind of hammering home with Will Campbell a

1837
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: little bit as well. He says, I think we should

1838
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 1: slow down a bit with the treating Campbell's move to

1839
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,599
Speaker 1: guard as some kind of automatic fix or a guarantee

1840
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 1: he suddenly becomes an all pro. This is a good,

1841
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: well thought out email, bart that's very long, but he

1842
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: kind of points to some of the different nuances between

1843
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: guard and tackle, and I could not agree more. Like

1844
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: I understand from some respects, and I think the thing

1845
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: about guard versus tackle with Campbell kind of goes back

1846
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: to mentality. Like people just think that he has the

1847
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:37,600
Speaker 1: mentality of a guard, right, Like he's the one of

1848
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 1: those kind of like nasty finishers that you know, has

1849
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of an edge and plays with a

1850
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 1: little bit of an attitude and like typically that like

1851
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 1: kind of like tone setting mindset mentality is lends itself

1852
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: more to guard than it does to tackle, Like you

1853
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 1: hear that more with guards and tackles from a skill

1854
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 1: set standpoint, I just I keep coming back. I just

1855
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 1: don't really know what fixes anything automatically by moving him

1856
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: inside other than the fact that maybe you know, you

1857
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 1: don't it's more of a car crash inside than it

1858
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: is like a dance on the outside. So maybe his length,

1859
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: like it kind of would cover up that element a

1860
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: little bit. But when I watch Campbell's set, like he

1861
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 1: sets hot like he's a higher cut athlete.

1862
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,600
Speaker 2: You know, he's got great feet, he's got great you

1863
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 2: know balance in his movements.

1864
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily look at a guy as like him,

1865
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: as like a guy that's going to like get underneath

1866
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 1: people and leverage and drive them and you know win,

1867
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, with power in the in a phone booth,

1868
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 1: like you want to put a guy that's getting put

1869
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: on skates at tackle and how you want to put

1870
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: him inside and have him blocked three hundred and thirty

1871
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 1: pound defensive tackles, Like I just I'm with bart, I

1872
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if this is just an

1873
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: automatic And I know everybody says, oh, I think he

1874
01:26:58,120 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 1: could be an all pro card. I know they don't

1875
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: aren't saying it's automatic that he's going to be an

1876
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,799
Speaker 1: all pro guard. But I don't think it's even automatic

1877
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 1: that he would be a better guard. Like I think

1878
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 1: that there's a possibility that there's deficiencies at guard that

1879
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: would he would struggle with. So that's why I even

1880
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: furtherly feel strongly about keeping him at tackle and just

1881
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 1: working at it at tackle.

1882
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?

1883
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just go back to he wasn't he was

1884
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 3: fine before he got hurt. He wasn't great, but he

1885
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 3: was fine before he got hurt. And yeah, you give

1886
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 3: him a full year in an NFL weight program, You

1887
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:34,640
Speaker 3: give them a full off season developed, you work on

1888
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 3: some of the technique stuff, You let him get healthy.

1889
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 3: If I'm gonna keep going back to this all off season,

1890
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 3: you want to call in to say need move Will

1891
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 3: Campbell to guard for who who? You can't get worse

1892
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:49,600
Speaker 3: than left tackle? Just to prove a point, right, So

1893
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not entirely opposed the idea. I think

1894
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 3: it's a lot more complicated than people make it for Campbell,

1895
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 3: and then what are you doing at left tackle? Putting

1896
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 3: for Darien Lowe back there? You can dip into the draft.

1897
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 3: I mean, there's some guys higher, but you're picking thirty first.

1898
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 3: You know it just it probably causes more problems than

1899
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 3: it solves. Give him the full off season in an

1900
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 3: NFL weight program, let him get healthy, and then see

1901
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 3: where he's at, because I think he has the ability

1902
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 3: to improve a lot this offseason.

1903
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 2: So this is a question from Greg who says that

1904
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 2: he's been a fan of ours since the Patriots beat days,

1905
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 2: So I appreciate that, Greg, thank you. He asks, would

1906
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 2: you consider adding Eagles former Eagles offensive line coach Jeff

1907
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 2: Stoutlin to the coaching staff next year? And to that,

1908
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 2: first of all, Staltlin is one of the best offensive

1909
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 2: line coaches of his era, certainly one of the most

1910
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:52,600
Speaker 2: respected coaches and technique guys now. The falling out in Philadelphia.

1911
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:55,560
Speaker 1: We had Ben Solac on during Super Bowl Week and

1912
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 1: he kind of outlined this perfectly had to do with

1913
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: schematically in the run game. So the way that Jeff Stalin,

1914
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 1: he was their run game coordinator as well towards the

1915
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 1: end of his tenure with Philadelphia. The way that Jeff

1916
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 1: Stalin schemes the run game doesn't lend itself to a

1917
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: lot of the new bells and whistles that go on

1918
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 1: run games these days, like motions and things like that.

1919
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 1: It's a very stagnant approach, and I think that the

1920
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 1: Eagles felt Sean Manyon, right, that's the coordinator that they hired,

1921
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:35,640
Speaker 1: He felt like it was a little bit outdated what

1922
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,600
Speaker 1: Jeff Stalin was doing in terms of the x's and

1923
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 1: o's of the run game. Not so much like the

1924
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 1: techniques and the teaching and all that kind of stuff,

1925
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 1: but just the way that they designed their run game

1926
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: was a little bit outdated from the current NFL where

1927
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: you see all these motions and all this different misdirection

1928
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 1: and eye candy and all that good stuff. So I

1929
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 1: think Jeff Stalin would be an to any coaching staff

1930
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 1: from a coaching teaching technique standpoint. Would it solve their

1931
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 1: problems though schematically? Would it make them better? You know,

1932
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 1: that's a different type of question because I think that

1933
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: we all are kind of pushing for Josh McDaniels.

1934
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 2: To be a little bit more.

1935
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:20,639
Speaker 1: Modern and innovative and things like that with the way

1936
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 1: that he designs the offense.

1937
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 2: And I don't know.

1938
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 1: I think Staltland is being looked at, at least by

1939
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 1: the Eagles as kind of a dinosaur in that regard.

1940
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, but he's still fantastic coach in the position.

1941
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 3: He got a lot of young players. The talent development

1942
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 3: is important. I wouldn't be against it. I don't know.

1943
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 3: There's a lot of nuance there, like is he replacing

1944
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 3: Doug Moron, is he joining Doug Moron? Or are they

1945
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,679
Speaker 3: gonna have a run game coordinator? I need more context,

1946
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 3: but the answer is not no.

1947
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 1: Okay, other question I wanted to ask you if this

1948
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: is kind of related to coaching staff. Yeah, this is

1949
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 1: a hard question to answer. I concede that what are

1950
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 1: you doing at the defensive coordinator? Mike Rabel was noncommittal

1951
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 1: about it yesterday, understandably, so it sounds like Terrell Williams

1952
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 1: is hoping that he's going to be medically clear to

1953
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: return to coaching.

1954
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 3: Uh.

1955
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get some more answers in a couple of

1956
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 1: weeks when Rabel speaks at the Combine, which is two

1957
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: weeks away. I booked my flight yesterday it's insane. Uh,

1958
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: but maybe we'll get some more answers then about it.

1959
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 1: Is there a world where I'm trying to wrap my

1960
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 1: head around this world where they're kind of codecs and

1961
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,559
Speaker 1: Zach Korr is still the play caller and Zach Korr

1962
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 1: is still doing what he did. I don't want to

1963
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 1: break what Zach Korr was doing this year, right, but

1964
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: just kind of like I think what happened towards the

1965
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 1: end here once Terrell Williams, Uh, luckily and thankfully you know,

1966
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 1: got in better health.

1967
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 2: Terrell Williams was around and.

1968
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:53,600
Speaker 1: He was advising, and he was helping and you know,

1969
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: lending a hand where he could you know, is that

1970
01:31:56,040 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 1: a possible path of you know, Terrell Williams is kind

1971
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 1: of like the overseer. He's kind of, you know, the

1972
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 1: a high level quality control coach, if you will, And

1973
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 1: Zach Korr is the play caller and the guy actually

1974
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 1: you know, calling the defense.

1975
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1976
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 3: I mean, look, they've done this before, right, Yeah, they

1977
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 3: now that was obviously a different head coach, but Bill

1978
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 3: did it with Girod and with Steve Belichick. I like

1979
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 3: to keep both of them in the building. I think

1980
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 3: they both do a good job.

1981
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 7: You know.

1982
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 3: The weird thing is if Core doesn't get hired away,

1983
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 3: you're not gonna like let him go, right, He's still here,

1984
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 3: So that thing's looming you. You have to do something

1985
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 3: with it. Because let's say they come out in the

1986
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 3: first game, Troll Williams, the defensive corner of the defense

1987
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 3: gets knocked around a.

1988
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 2: Little bit, just like it did against the Raiders.

1989
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 3: Right, there's gonna be a bunch of questions about, well,

1990
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 3: you know, d want Zach Corr calling plays with you,

1991
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 3: Zak whatever, whatever, whatever, So you gotta do something, like

1992
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 3: you said, It's not an easy answer, and it's probably

1993
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 3: one of the tougher decisions I're going have to make

1994
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 3: this offseason. There's also an element of Trell Williams health

1995
01:32:56,360 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 3: that we just don't know publicly, which he's ever right

1996
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 3: to keep that private. It's not a knock. Yeah, yeah,

1997
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 3: that's a tricky one. I I'd like Zach cordiky Colm plays.

1998
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 1: You would absolutely hate in any way, shape or form

1999
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: for a guy to lose his job because he had cancer, Like,

2000
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen.

2001
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 3: Can he become like a senior assistant advisor kind of?

2002
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I.

2003
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 1: Threw out the co defensive coordinators thing. You know, that

2004
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 1: is essentially the role that Terell Williams would be going

2005
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: into without taking the title away, And maybe that that's

2006
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 1: the cleanest way to do this, so that you know,

2007
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 1: it's not fair to the guy to take away his

2008
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 1: title because he got sick, Like that's not right. So

2009
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 1: maybe that's the best way to do it. But I

2010
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 1: think clearly Zach Korr grew into the role to the

2011
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:45,800
Speaker 1: point where he deserves to keep the play calling responsibilities.

2012
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean, they were dynamite the entire playoff run, So

2013
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 1: to take that away from him, I think would be

2014
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 1: tough as well. All right, here's a little off season.

2015
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:58,599
Speaker 1: Would you rather all right, so would you rather sign

2016
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 1: a great blocking title end or receiving Titans Darnett Washington

2017
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:02,639
Speaker 1: a free agent?

2018
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 5: No?

2019
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 3: I think he has another year. Yeah, I want Darnet

2020
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 3: Washington on the Patriots.

2021
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think he's a free agent. Maybe I'm wrong.

2022
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 3: About that, because wasn't he the Gonzales Draft? I thought so, Yeah,

2023
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 3: he's entering contract here.

2024
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 1: So Darnell Washington's the name that the set the emailer

2025
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: floated out. Just put a blocking tight end here, and

2026
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 1: then he also mentions, you know, Kyle Pitts or Isaiah Likely,

2027
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 1: Like which one would you rather?

2028
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 3: Probably receiving tight end, but like I'd rather a guy

2029
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 3: that's maybe a little less at each and better at

2030
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 3: you know, the collective, just a more well rounded player. Yeah,

2031
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, that's kind of it's a.

2032
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 2: I'm with you.

2033
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 1: I think that right now as we sit here, the

2034
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 1: well rounded tight end is one of the most valuable

2035
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 1: pieces in football. Yeah, Like I look at Seattle, and

2036
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 1: I look at what A J. Barner just did in

2037
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:58,520
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Like that player, I understold AJ Barner.

2038
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 1: I should have talked about him more. And a lead

2039
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: up to this game, we were also caught up in

2040
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: JSN and Rashid Jaheed and all these other guys Kenneth Walker.

2041
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 1: AJ Barner's ability to block and catch passes was a huge,

2042
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 1: huge advantage.

2043
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 3: For here's free agent tight ends. Yeah, Kyle Pitts, Yeah,

2044
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:19,679
Speaker 3: Dallas Goddard. I like Dallas got Travis Kelcey, Isaiah Likely,

2045
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 3: David Joku, Chigakonquo, Charlie Kohler, Darren Waller, Austin Hooper, Kate Auton,

2046
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:30,720
Speaker 3: Mercedes Lewis, Chris Man, Hurts, Moalley Cox, Oh, Jesus keeps going.

2047
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:34,679
Speaker 3: So I really like Dallas Goddard, Dallas Gott It would

2048
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 3: make a lot of sense.

2049
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 2: I don't know why.

2050
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:39,679
Speaker 1: I don't know why Philly wouldn't let Dallas Goddard walk

2051
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: new offense, But I really like Dallas Goddard. He will

2052
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 1: be He just turned thirty one last monk. Okay, He's

2053
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 1: getting up there in age, So that might be why

2054
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 1: I would expect, based off of the connection in Cleveland,

2055
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:56,799
Speaker 1: that David and Joku might be someone they would consider.

2056
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 1: But that's not getting any younger at the position. That's

2057
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 1: just a different type of player. But he's certainly what

2058
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 1: do you mean, David and Joku.

2059
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:06,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's twenty nine already.

2060
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:09,679
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, Yeah, I thought he was thirty, but he's.

2061
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 3: Going into his age thirty season. I did not realize that.

2062
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 1: I like David and Joku because he's he's got that

2063
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:17,519
Speaker 1: explosiveness down the field, like he's got a little bit

2064
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 1: more juice up to seem things like that. But he

2065
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 1: is getting a little bit up there in age. And

2066
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:24,479
Speaker 1: I would think Kate Aughten is like a sneaky one

2067
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 1: that could be on.

2068
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 3: There, like going back to you know, watching when Brady

2069
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 3: was there.

2070
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 1: He's kind of like a young he's younger than Hunter Henry, right.

2071
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of reminds me a little bit

2072
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 1: of Hunter Henry.

2073
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is I think he's coming off

2074
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 3: as rookie deal.

2075
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 2: So if you know that, that's another option there is.

2076
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 3: He'll turn twenty seven in April.

2077
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that one.

2078
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: He's probably not as like highly thought of as Hunter

2079
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 1: Henry was when he signed here in twenty one, but

2080
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 1: I think they're similar.

2081
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:52,640
Speaker 2: You go get to player where you.

2082
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 3: Know, he had fifty nine catches five hundred and seventy

2083
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 3: two yards this year. Like that's a tight end, solid

2084
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 3: pretty That goes back to to the email point. Give

2085
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 3: me the guy that's maybe not elite at pass catching

2086
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 3: or blocking, but can do a little bit of everything.

2087
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2088
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: I just like I said before, the whole the whole

2089
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 1: game now offensively is finding ways to get the defense

2090
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 1: to go into base personnel like these defenses and part

2091
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 1: of the reason why Seattle was so dominant. These uh,

2092
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:22,760
Speaker 1: these pass defenses and nickel and dime defense are just

2093
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 1: too good. Their pressures are too good. Ye, their their

2094
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 1: coverage rules like defense in a lot of ways. And

2095
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 1: this is something that's I guarantee you somebody like Jordan

2096
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 1: rodrieg or someone's gonna write about this this offseason. I'm

2097
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:38,440
Speaker 1: gonna be like, damn, that's a that's a great piece.

2098
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 2: That's a great idea.

2099
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 1: I would say defenses right now schematically are ahead of offenses.

2100
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 1: It was the other way for a long time, Like

2101
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,600
Speaker 1: the Shanahan Tree offenses came in and uh, you know,

2102
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan and Sean mcvayh and all those guys started

2103
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 1: to really innovate with motion and things like that, and

2104
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 1: those guys really were ahead.

2105
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 2: Of the curve.

2106
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 1: Defenses have now corrected towards that, and I would say

2107
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:04,640
Speaker 1: have actually lapped offenses in a lot of ways. I

2108
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 1: think the biggest one is defense is now, especially good

2109
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:12,720
Speaker 1: defenses like McDonald and Jesse Minter and these guys, they

2110
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 1: have such a great understanding of protection rules and how

2111
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:18,479
Speaker 1: teams are trying to block things and how to blow

2112
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 1: up blocking schemes that offenses. Offenses are going to have

2113
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 1: to work really hard to find different ways to block things.

2114
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:28,720
Speaker 1: And I think that that's exactly what we saw with

2115
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 1: Seattle this entire run, you know, as much as I

2116
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: just kind of craft on the Patriots and their game plan.

2117
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 1: Like Kyle Shannon scored like three points against this defense

2118
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:38,640
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago in the divisional round. Like

2119
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 1: this is not a new thing at all with the

2120
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 1: Seattle defense. So that's an interesting piece of this is,

2121
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:48,599
Speaker 1: you know, how do offenses sort of counter the way

2122
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 1: defense are playing? You know, defense is now I think

2123
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 1: a couple of big things that they're doing up front

2124
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 1: because they're playing so many two high safeties and they're

2125
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 1: lightning the box defense to stop the pass. You see

2126
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 1: a lot of like stunting and gap penetration on the

2127
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 1: defensive line. And then they're also adding linebackers from the

2128
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 1: second level to fire because they're trying to take gaps

2129
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 1: back because they're playing a gap short in the run game.

2130
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:16,639
Speaker 1: So they're trying to do all these different things, whether

2131
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:20,800
Speaker 1: it's stunting, gap penetrations, slanting the line. You know, they'll

2132
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,520
Speaker 1: slant the line and they'll blitz the off ball linebacker

2133
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: to kind of fill the backside of the slant. Like

2134
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:28,599
Speaker 1: they have all these different things that they're doing because

2135
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 1: they're trying to get penetration to play a gap down

2136
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 1: in the run game, and offenses right now just haven't

2137
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:38,800
Speaker 1: really figured out great counters to all these different things.

2138
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 1: So the obvious counter to playing, you know, teams that

2139
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 1: play so much too high safety is to run the ball.

2140
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:47,919
Speaker 1: But because of all this aggressive front mechanics that defenses

2141
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 1: are running, Seattle is number one run defense in football

2142
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:53,280
Speaker 1: despite playing the most too high structures in the league.

2143
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: That's broken, Like that's not supposed to happen. If you

2144
01:39:56,439 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 1: lighten the box like that, you're supposed to give up

2145
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:01,479
Speaker 1: rush yards and surrender rush yard and Seattle just doesn't.

2146
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 1: So what's you know, offenses counters like I'm surprised you

2147
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:10,400
Speaker 1: know that they don't use more, uh, you know, pullers

2148
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 1: to the edge, Like if you can pull to the

2149
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 1: edge and add blockers to the edge, you can kind

2150
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 1: of crease the defense that way. You know, there's different

2151
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:20,400
Speaker 1: things that you can kind of do like that. That

2152
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:24,760
Speaker 1: it's just one example, but for a long period of time.

2153
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 1: You know, me, I'm obsessed with all the Shanahan guys.

2154
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Mike McDaniel, Matt

2155
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 1: leafloor Is really good. Like all these guys are all,

2156
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, really good at what they do. Uh, they're

2157
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:41,679
Speaker 1: getting kind of owned right now. And it would started

2158
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 1: sort of with the Fangio stuff.

2159
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 6: Uh.

2160
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Speaker 1: And now these uh you know, newer head coaches and

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01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators, you know, defensive minds, they're taking the Fangio

2162
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 1: thing and now they're adding pressure to it. Like Fan

2163
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:58,280
Speaker 1: Fangio is a very structured defensive coach. He doesn't bring

2164
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 1: a lot of blitzes. The these guys are taking that

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01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,799
Speaker 1: as like the structure of the defense and they're adding

2166
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:07,640
Speaker 1: pressure packages on top of it.

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01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 5: Right.

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01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 2: It's killing offenses. I mean it really is.

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01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:13,400
Speaker 1: So I'm fascinated to see what all these people do,

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01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 1: these coordinators do in the offseason to try to combat

2171
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:17,640
Speaker 1: all this.

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01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 2: Leo is an acting what's up, Leo?

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01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,640
Speaker 5: Hey, what's going on? I was just referring to the

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01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 5: off season. I think left guard is the most important thing,

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01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 5: followed by the pass catchers. I know a lot of

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01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 5: people want Crosby, but I don't think it's smart to

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01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:35,559
Speaker 5: trade a bunch of premium assets for an edge when

2178
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 5: I think there's better options than free agency. Well I'm

2179
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 5: not better, but more affordable and more friendly for team

2180
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 5: building when you could use those assets to address the

2181
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 5: offense that just average. I think it was like one

2182
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:51,839
Speaker 5: point for Drive, which was worse than the twenty sixteen

2183
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:55,560
Speaker 5: Browns in the playoffs. So yeah, I'm curious what you

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01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 5: guys think.

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01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:59,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, Leo, I mean, look, the offense was definitely the

2186
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:02,080
Speaker 1: reason why they flamed out in the Super Bowl like that.

2187
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:05,719
Speaker 1: The offense is the biggest problem in that sort of respect.

2188
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:10,479
Speaker 1: My only pushback would be, you can only do what's available, right,

2189
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 1: You can only make the trades that are available. So

2190
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 1: we talk about this every off season. You can't It's

2191
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:18,759
Speaker 1: the mystery box thing, like you can't just create the player.

2192
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 1: So as much as I would love to sit here

2193
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 1: and say they need a veteran left guard, they need

2194
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 1: a number one wide receiver, those things have to come

2195
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:29,919
Speaker 1: to fruition. Now, the left guard things seems more doable

2196
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: because there's usually guards that you can sign that you

2197
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:34,160
Speaker 1: can acquire in some way.

2198
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 2: Shame for guards.

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01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:35,519
Speaker 5: Here we go.

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01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Isaac Smalo okay from the Steelers, yep, David Edwards

2201
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 3: from the Bills, Elijah vera Tucker that would be an

2202
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 3: interesting one from the Jets, Joel Potonio. How old's he now?

2203
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 3: Twelve year vet? Yeah, he's got to be up there,

2204
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:56,679
Speaker 3: Kevin Zeitler, another older guy, Greg Van Rotten, Dalton Reisner,

2205
01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:00,519
Speaker 3: Dylan parhum At, Ingram Wyatt, Teller and then it kind

2206
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,599
Speaker 3: of falls off. So Ian Johnson remember that traf.

2207
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:06,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't love any of those options. Maybe

2208
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:09,680
Speaker 1: the trademarket, you know, would be more if they just

2209
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 1: Tucker's not bad. They just acquired Joe Tune, This would

2210
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:17,720
Speaker 1: have been all right, although what it's worth Yep, what

2211
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 1: was Tony go for a fourth round pick something like that?

2212
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:21,360
Speaker 3: That was Craig Woodson.

2213
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:22,719
Speaker 2: That's true.

2214
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:25,840
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, Barry Tucker's not a bad one. I

2215
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:28,320
Speaker 1: think he's played right most of his career if I'm

2216
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:31,679
Speaker 1: not mistaken. Maybe I've made that up. I can't remember

2217
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 1: exactly because he's played a little bit of tackle and

2218
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:35,800
Speaker 1: he's played a little bit of guard. Yeah, and he

2219
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 1: played tackle at USC, but he's a guard. He might

2220
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:40,640
Speaker 1: have been a left guard. That might have been a

2221
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:41,639
Speaker 1: tackle to left guard.

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01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 3: I think he's been hurt too, right, Yeah, he played

2223
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:47,599
Speaker 3: his entire rookie season at left and then it's been

2224
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 3: right since.

2225
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 2: Okay, so.

2226
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 3: Play last year was hurt.

2227
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, so as much as I you know, agree

2228
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:58,800
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly that if you look at the team and look

2229
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 1: at the playoff r on, the offense was the issue

2230
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:01,919
Speaker 1: and not the defense.

2231
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:04,759
Speaker 2: You can only trade for who's available.

2232
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 1: So if you would decide that you want to make

2233
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:11,799
Speaker 1: a big splash trade, let's just say you put thirty

2234
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 1: one up for auction and you say, you know, we're

2235
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 1: going to trade a first round pick for a star player.

2236
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:20,120
Speaker 1: If Max Crosby is the best player that you can

2237
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:22,559
Speaker 1: get with that pick, then you're trading for Max Cross.

2238
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this. This is probably gonna

2239
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 3: be somewh're gonna do all off season. So we're gonna

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01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 3: lock it.

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01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:27,360
Speaker 6: J J.

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01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 3: Brown or Max Crosby.

2243
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 2: I lean Max Crosby.

2244
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:32,200
Speaker 3: I would go Crosby.

2245
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 1: And it's not because, again I just said, the offense

2246
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 1: has the bigger ways to go.

2247
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:39,599
Speaker 3: Crosby's a better player, and I just think.

2248
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 1: Crosby is a great culture fit and what they have.

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01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:45,240
Speaker 1: I think Crosby is a vable guy. You know, he

2250
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:48,280
Speaker 1: said on a podcast recently, and I fully believe him.

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01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 1: His alarm goes off at four fifty five every single morning.

2252
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:54,639
Speaker 1: He drives to the Raiders facility and he works out

2253
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:57,120
Speaker 1: in the morning and then he's there all day. Yeah,

2254
01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:01,759
Speaker 1: working on his craft like that is a culture building

2255
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:03,599
Speaker 1: Rabel type of guy.

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01:45:04,240 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 2: Where A J. Brown also played for Mike Rabel and

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01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:08,400
Speaker 2: Max Crosby did it.

2258
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:11,479
Speaker 1: AJ Brown played for Mike Rabel, So maybe Mike Rabel

2259
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 1: the best out of it, get the best out of him,

2260
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 1: or knows that some of this other crap is nonsense.

2261
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:19,840
Speaker 1: You know that gets talked about with AJ Brown, but

2262
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 1: you just you know. AJ Brown was on a pretty

2263
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:25,080
Speaker 1: good team this year and was upset the entire season,

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01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:29,599
Speaker 1: you know, and it just I would rather Max Crosby.

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01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 1: I think I believe Max Crosby too. How about this

2266
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:35,719
Speaker 1: one we go back to that, would you rather AJ

2267
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:41,800
Speaker 1: Brown or Brian Thomas Jr. Oh, I think I'd go

2268
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 1: be A J. Brown there, Well, Brian Thomas Junior shouldn't

2269
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:47,120
Speaker 1: cost you as much as he's younger.

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01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 3: I Michael, Brian Thomas Jr. Michael for the younger. I

2271
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 3: know Rabel has the familiarated Brown. So here's the thing.

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01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 3: To me, for one year, A J. Brown's probably better.

2273
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 3: But we're gonna talk about getting the receiver that Drake

2274
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 3: may like grows with right and develops with and you

2275
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:06,160
Speaker 3: know the guy that's going to be his guy for

2276
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:09,360
Speaker 3: the next you know, five or six years. Howard's AJ Brown.

2277
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:10,800
Speaker 3: Now it's not is he thirty?

2278
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:14,200
Speaker 2: No, he's like twenty seven, twenty eight?

2279
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 3: Is he going He's going to his age twenty nine season?

2280
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:17,320
Speaker 3: Howlds Brian Thomas.

2281
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:19,600
Speaker 2: He just I mean it's his only second year in

2282
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 2: the LA.

2283
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I guess I thought A. J. Brown was

2284
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:23,840
Speaker 3: a little older than he is. He's going into his

2285
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 3: age twenty four season. Brian toal, I like the idea

2286
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:27,639
Speaker 3: of the twenty four year old that's going to grow

2287
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 3: with Drake May long term there, that's a lot cheaper.

2288
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 3: He's on a rookie deal. So I'd probably go Brian

2289
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,680
Speaker 3: Thomas for the long term. But if you're like, no,

2290
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:41,720
Speaker 3: we want to get back this year, blah blah blah whatever. Yeah,

2291
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 3: I'd obviously want to get back to Super Bowl. But

2292
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:44,919
Speaker 3: I'm saying, like, if you want the short term approaches,

2293
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 3: like no, we need to capitalize on him right now. Yeah,

2294
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:48,679
Speaker 3: I'd probably go A J. Brown, but I think Brian

2295
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 3: Thomas a better long term investment.

2296
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 2: I agree with that.

2297
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:56,280
Speaker 1: I also would say that Brian Thomas Junior's best trick

2298
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:59,840
Speaker 1: is running fades from the slot, and I wouldn't mind

2299
01:46:59,880 --> 01:47:04,120
Speaker 1: s Drake Mate dimes to Brown that route on slot fades.

2300
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what Brian Thomas Junior did at LSU

2301
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:08,759
Speaker 1: with Jayden Daniels and Melik Neighbors.

2302
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 3: Me, why are the Jaguars training Bri Thomas again?

2303
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:13,760
Speaker 1: It was a weird year for him last year, but

2304
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:16,960
Speaker 1: I would agree, and I would also say that I'm

2305
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 1: pretty sure the reporting right now is that Travis Hunter

2306
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:21,599
Speaker 1: is gonna play corner when he comes back from injury

2307
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:24,559
Speaker 1: next year, So don't I don't know now, he had

2308
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:27,640
Speaker 1: a weird year last year, BTJ did. It wasn't a

2309
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:29,120
Speaker 1: good sophomore season.

2310
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 3: He was hurt.

2311
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:33,400
Speaker 1: He was kind of like not some of the film

2312
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:36,840
Speaker 1: was kind of you know, just like jogging through routes

2313
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It was a little like not

2314
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:42,439
Speaker 1: as like demonstrative, but some of the things that you

2315
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:45,679
Speaker 1: hear about like George Pickens, you know, like taking plays off,

2316
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:49,880
Speaker 1: like not fully bought in. But granted you could say

2317
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 1: the same thing about aj Bri.

2318
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:53,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a part of me like twenty three

2319
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 3: year old thousand yard rookie receiver and they're already ready

2320
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 3: to move on from what do they know that I

2321
01:47:58,200 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 3: don't unlike fair enough.

2322
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 1: Now, I think that Stefan Diggs was a pretty good

2323
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 1: citizen here, and we all had doubts about that. So okay,

2324
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:11,800
Speaker 1: I'll say to get people overblew that.

2325
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:14,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe we're overblowing it about aj Brown or

2326
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 2: maybe all right, you know, that's just the point I'm

2327
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:16,720
Speaker 2: trying to.

2328
01:48:16,720 --> 01:48:19,000
Speaker 3: Make, I guess. All right, So since we both said

2329
01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas junior, Brian Thomas Junior, Max Crosby, I just.

2330
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:26,599
Speaker 2: Love the idea of christ I know, I don't know why.

2331
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 3: Like it's not because if you have a guy that

2332
01:48:28,240 --> 01:48:31,879
Speaker 3: can get pressure that consistently that quickly, I know, Christian

2333
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:33,840
Speaker 3: Gonzalez and Carlton Davis on the outside and go An

2334
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:35,920
Speaker 3: intercepting a million footballs.

2335
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 2: Melton Williams and Barmar were inside causing the push in

2336
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 2: the middle. And so I I.

2337
01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:44,240
Speaker 1: It's counterintuitive to a lot of the things that I

2338
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:46,560
Speaker 1: feel because like I'm a big offense guy, and I

2339
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:49,720
Speaker 1: know I'm surprised they just scored like sixteen points a

2340
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:51,680
Speaker 1: game in the playoffs, and I'm saying, go add to

2341
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:52,360
Speaker 1: the defense.

2342
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:54,320
Speaker 2: But it comes back to just like who can you

2343
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:55,320
Speaker 2: who's the best player?

2344
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:58,480
Speaker 3: You know about collecting talent, it's about building.

2345
01:48:58,200 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 2: A team, right, and he's the best player.

2346
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 3: You add Max, well, that's collecting town. But like you

2347
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:05,320
Speaker 3: add Max Crosby the d What did we say? What

2348
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:07,000
Speaker 3: did we just say about the defense in the Super Bowl?

2349
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 3: They played well in the sense that they prevented the

2350
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:11,600
Speaker 3: Seahawks from doing a lot. But they didn't and this

2351
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:12,680
Speaker 3: is kind of case all year.

2352
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 2: They didn't make the impact.

2353
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:16,639
Speaker 3: They didn't make places, they prevented the offense from making plays.

2354
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:19,120
Speaker 3: They didn't make plays themselves. That's that next level. You

2355
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:21,160
Speaker 3: out a guy like Max Crosby to this defense, suddenly

2356
01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 3: they're gonna make a ton of plays.

2357
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, here's an email from Kyle. This is

2358
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 1: the biggest needs in the first round and he has

2359
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:30,960
Speaker 1: three positions and he wants us to rank. Okay, I

2360
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 1: feel like this is the question we're gonna get. This

2361
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: is the Is this the big three needs of the offseason?

2362
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 6: Uh?

2363
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:38,200
Speaker 1: If the Patriots stick and pick at thirty one, which

2364
01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:44,680
Speaker 1: position would you prioritize edge wide receiver, offensive line. I

2365
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 1: mean it depends was on the board, right, Like, okay,

2366
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:50,400
Speaker 1: let's just say it's the same play we're gonna have

2367
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 1: because this is the way we're gonna get this. We're

2368
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:54,679
Speaker 1: gonna have to do the weird thing about like what's

2369
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:55,840
Speaker 1: the deal with ruben Bain.

2370
01:49:57,280 --> 01:49:58,680
Speaker 2: Rubenmate is not falling at thirty one.

2371
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:01,439
Speaker 3: I I like Mesador, the other guy from Miami for

2372
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:08,679
Speaker 3: what it's worth, you know, all things considered, Probably wide receiver,

2373
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:10,240
Speaker 3: like I said earlier, if they're gonna take a swing,

2374
01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:11,800
Speaker 3: I'd want to take the big swing. I do late

2375
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:14,679
Speaker 3: Casey conception own there, especially if you know, we gotta

2376
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:21,719
Speaker 3: see what's gonna have with Diggs contract. Probably receiver because

2377
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 3: like you said, like they could get a starting left

2378
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:27,640
Speaker 3: guard there, and that's probably the safest pick. I know

2379
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:30,200
Speaker 3: your thing about guards in the first round, but nope,

2380
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:32,559
Speaker 3: just based on who's available, Like that should be a veteran.

2381
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:34,720
Speaker 3: They need a starting left guard, but that should be

2382
01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:37,360
Speaker 3: a veteran. I like Emmanuel Pregnant, he'd probably be the guy.

2383
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:44,479
Speaker 3: I'd probably go a receiver, but like realistically, in terms

2384
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:46,840
Speaker 3: of who the guys are that will probably be on

2385
01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:49,080
Speaker 3: the board at that point. Wide receiver versus edge. I

2386
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:50,519
Speaker 3: like the edge players better for them.

2387
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 1: Okay, can you just look at it as like you

2388
01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 1: just have a Madden Creative player that's an eighty overall

2389
01:50:58,360 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 1: at all three positions. We're not talking about. I'm trying

2390
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 1: to put it in your terms because they're not talking about.

2391
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:06,800
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I think it's better, you know realistically

2392
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:07,880
Speaker 2: that no, just.

2393
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:10,640
Speaker 3: I think an eighty overall edge helps them more than

2394
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 3: eighty overall wide receiver, because I think they have some

2395
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:15,360
Speaker 3: eighty overall wide receivers. If we're talking about like into

2396
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:18,760
Speaker 3: the nineties, Like yeah, okay, a ninety overall wide receiver

2397
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 3: helps them more in a ninety overall edge. That's different.

2398
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 3: So it depends on what you think of some of

2399
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:23,839
Speaker 3: those guys that are on the board.

2400
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 1: On the I'm not looking at offensive line the same

2401
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:29,759
Speaker 1: way as everybody else. Maybe I have a rose colored glasses.

2402
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:31,479
Speaker 1: I really like the room this year.

2403
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:32,920
Speaker 2: Here's what they like the guys.

2404
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:34,720
Speaker 1: Maybe that's part of it. I need to put some

2405
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 1: separation between, you know what, the guys that we've gotten

2406
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:39,720
Speaker 1: to know in the locker room this year, who have

2407
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:42,599
Speaker 1: all are all really good guys, and the actual hard

2408
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 1: decisions you have to make. I'm still looking at the

2409
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:47,479
Speaker 1: offensive line. No, is like I would like to upgrade

2410
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:48,679
Speaker 1: one interior position.

2411
01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 3: Here's here's what I matt with the offensive line. They

2412
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:52,760
Speaker 3: need a starting left guard. Yeah, they could probably get

2413
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:54,120
Speaker 3: that in the draft, but I'm with you, I think

2414
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:56,880
Speaker 3: that should be Veteran. Yeah. So well, if they don't

2415
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:58,880
Speaker 3: end up with that guy in fre agency, yeah, it'll

2416
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:01,519
Speaker 3: become a serious discussion leading up to the draft. Let's

2417
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:03,400
Speaker 3: see what they do in free agency. The other thing

2418
01:52:03,479 --> 01:52:05,400
Speaker 3: they need to address is a long term answer at

2419
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:07,040
Speaker 3: right tackle. Yes, whoever that is.

2420
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 1: I think they're in the school though not to cut

2421
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:13,920
Speaker 1: you off at right tackle where it's like that's probably

2422
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 1: a developmental pick this year, and like you know the

2423
01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:19,560
Speaker 1: middle rounds, like the third or fourth round, where you

2424
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:21,240
Speaker 1: try to take like a tools the guy that you

2425
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 1: can develop behind Morgan Moses. If it doesn't work out,

2426
01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:27,759
Speaker 1: then obviously, you know, once Morgan Moses decides to retire

2427
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:30,080
Speaker 1: or whatever, that's when you have to go all in

2428
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 1: and addressing right So this is what I was going

2429
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:33,599
Speaker 1: to say, Do you have a little bit of time

2430
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:34,479
Speaker 1: there is if.

2431
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 3: You want to get aggressive about that. Let's say you're

2432
01:52:36,479 --> 01:52:38,000
Speaker 3: somebody to know they have to get the guy Morgan

2433
01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 3: mo is gonna be thirty five. You know a guy

2434
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 3: that's not a Day one but maybe your one guy. Yeah, Max,

2435
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:47,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to learn this, I guess in the hatch.

2436
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:50,080
Speaker 3: Or is the guy from Arizona State had a really

2437
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:55,479
Speaker 3: good Senior Bowl. He didn't start playing football until he

2438
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 3: was a think sixteen high school something like that. It's

2439
01:52:58,479 --> 01:52:59,800
Speaker 3: a big time soccer player.

2440
01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:00,720
Speaker 6: He is.

2441
01:53:01,160 --> 01:53:03,400
Speaker 3: I'm trying to find his official combine measurement. He's listed

2442
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:06,280
Speaker 3: at six six three thirty. I think he's bigger than that. Yeah,

2443
01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 3: he is the the We have a couple of these

2444
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 3: guys every year completely totally. Raw has outstanding play, strength, plays, nasty,

2445
01:53:16,040 --> 01:53:19,960
Speaker 3: high motor all that has the size. He just needs

2446
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,400
Speaker 3: to learn how to play football basically.

2447
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 2: And oh that's just not nothing. You know, that's just

2448
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:26,960
Speaker 2: a small thing. Learn how to play the sport.

2449
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 3: Well, there's been there's been guys that have worked out

2450
01:53:30,439 --> 01:53:33,519
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, right now. He was originally supposed to

2451
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 3: be like a fringe top one hundred pick, which you

2452
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:39,400
Speaker 3: know that guy in that spot. Sure you talk about

2453
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:42,600
Speaker 3: trying to find my lot on the Eagles. Yeah, the

2454
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 3: really good combine probably now if you take him, you're

2455
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:47,240
Speaker 3: gonna have to take him in the second round, and

2456
01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 3: for the Patriots it might be trading up. So but

2457
01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 3: if you have a year to develop him behind Morgan Moses,

2458
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:56,080
Speaker 3: maybe feel good about that. It's just about you know,

2459
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 3: if you think you're gonna need him year one, it

2460
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:00,880
Speaker 3: gets a little tougher. I'm trying to combine measurement.

2461
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:03,120
Speaker 2: So I think what I would do with the I

2462
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 2: agree that these are probably their three biggest.

2463
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:06,880
Speaker 3: But he's gonna be He's You're you're gonna to be

2464
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:07,760
Speaker 3: ready because he's gonna be.

2465
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:08,000
Speaker 6: Uh.

2466
01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 3: I keep saying combine seniable measurement. That's why I can't

2467
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:13,120
Speaker 3: find it. He's gonna be somebody we're talking about.

2468
01:54:14,240 --> 01:54:14,439
Speaker 2: Why.

2469
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:17,200
Speaker 1: So I would say with the offensive line, I would

2470
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:18,920
Speaker 1: look to sign another veteran try six.

2471
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:23,160
Speaker 3: Five three, twenty five, thirty four and is that arm

2472
01:54:23,240 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 3: life thirty four and a half in charms.

2473
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:28,599
Speaker 1: I can't believe we're doing this already. Uh, offensive line,

2474
01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:31,479
Speaker 1: I would sign a garden free agency. I try to

2475
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 1: sign up with you on the left garden free agency.

2476
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:38,000
Speaker 1: Then I go big game hunting at edge and wide receiver. Yeah,

2477
01:54:38,160 --> 01:54:41,040
Speaker 1: in the veteran market, make a move for one of

2478
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:43,320
Speaker 1: those two and then in whichever one I.

2479
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:45,920
Speaker 3: Don't get, that's your first round pick. Yeah, and then

2480
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:49,120
Speaker 3: probably round that out, you know, take get get a

2481
01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:52,960
Speaker 3: developmental tackle somewhere on day two, tight end. This is

2482
01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:56,560
Speaker 3: there is some good like late third, early fourth, like

2483
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:59,040
Speaker 3: late day two, early day three corners. They do need

2484
01:54:59,120 --> 01:55:01,560
Speaker 3: another boundary corner. Maybe you get a guy with some

2485
01:55:01,720 --> 01:55:05,440
Speaker 3: upside that can eventually step in for Carlton Davis and

2486
01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:06,960
Speaker 3: that could be your top one hundred right there.

2487
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2488
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:08,320
Speaker 3: I don't think I missed anything.

2489
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:11,120
Speaker 2: I said tight end, right yeah, something like that I

2490
01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:13,760
Speaker 2: think is probably uh, you know what I would do.

2491
01:55:14,280 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 2: I I don't know.

2492
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:19,520
Speaker 1: I just feel as though those are probably your three

2493
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:22,880
Speaker 1: biggest needs. But I just I'm gonna be go down

2494
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:25,040
Speaker 1: with the chip on offensive line. I can feel it already.

2495
01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:27,080
Speaker 1: I just don't think that it's I don't think they

2496
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:28,160
Speaker 1: need multiple starters.

2497
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:29,520
Speaker 2: I think they need one.

2498
01:55:29,640 --> 01:55:33,480
Speaker 3: You need one starter and you need one projectable starter.

2499
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I am starting Morgan Moses at right tackle.

2500
01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:38,880
Speaker 3: Now, h yeah. Yeah, but it would you know it's

2501
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 3: gonna be thirty five.

2502
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:41,400
Speaker 2: I get it. They need to start preparing.

2503
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:43,120
Speaker 3: I want the next the next guy should be in

2504
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:43,480
Speaker 3: the building.

2505
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:44,880
Speaker 2: You know, they don't need to draft that in this

2506
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 2: first round.

2507
01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:48,240
Speaker 3: No, but it could be a top one hundred pick. Okay,

2508
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:52,120
Speaker 3: you disagree, Yeah, no, that's fine. Okay, but like the

2509
01:55:52,200 --> 01:55:54,840
Speaker 3: third round, right, yeah, exactly.

2510
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:57,360
Speaker 1: Give me somebody that throw it to the coaching staff

2511
01:55:57,400 --> 01:56:00,360
Speaker 1: and let's see if they can develop the gayep last

2512
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:01,920
Speaker 1: couple here and then we got to wrap it up.

2513
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:03,440
Speaker 2: This is from John.

2514
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:05,480
Speaker 1: He says that he saw you at the airport in

2515
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:07,240
Speaker 1: baggage claim he took a photo with him.

2516
01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:09,760
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, that happen. Yes, that happened.

2517
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:12,080
Speaker 3: That was at the end. That was like at the

2518
01:56:12,160 --> 01:56:13,440
Speaker 3: end of that flight, at the end of that week.

2519
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:17,800
Speaker 3: I apologize. I was probably on planet Zippy. Just it

2520
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:20,000
Speaker 3: was a long day, long two days between the Zoo

2521
01:56:20,040 --> 01:56:21,520
Speaker 3: Bowl and all that travels, So I, Paul, I was

2522
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:23,000
Speaker 3: out of it, but I do remember that.

2523
01:56:23,240 --> 01:56:26,360
Speaker 1: So John, along the same lines of what we're talking

2524
01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:29,280
Speaker 1: about with wide receiver, Yeah, says, you know, if they

2525
01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:31,560
Speaker 1: do make one of these big splashes at wide receiver,

2526
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 1: that they're going to have to make a tough decision,

2527
01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:35,600
Speaker 1: possibly on kaishon Boody.

2528
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, if they if they trade for

2529
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:39,160
Speaker 2: a J.

2530
01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:42,480
Speaker 1: Brown, and that's gonna be Kaisehon Boody's role, and there

2531
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:48,040
Speaker 1: goes Kaishon Boody. I was a tiny now a couple

2532
01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:49,960
Speaker 1: of them, I think were you know, he met Drake May,

2533
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:52,120
Speaker 1: had him on a slant and missed the throw. You know,

2534
01:56:52,200 --> 01:56:53,720
Speaker 1: that was one of the big misses he had in

2535
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:55,920
Speaker 1: the game. You know, maybe there was one or two

2536
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:58,680
Speaker 1: plays there that Drake May didn't have the best throw

2537
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:03,000
Speaker 1: or the best decision. Looking at Kaishan Boody, but I don't.

2538
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:05,520
Speaker 1: I like Kaishan Boody, but I think that there's an

2539
01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:08,400
Speaker 1: upgrade there that's possible, and I think that that needs

2540
01:57:08,440 --> 01:57:11,080
Speaker 1: to be something that they're interested in. You know, pretty

2541
01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:13,000
Speaker 1: much the one guy that he got in the playoffs

2542
01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 1: was Stingle. He seems to have Stingly's number. Yeah, the

2543
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:17,760
Speaker 1: rest of it I think was pretty tough sledding for

2544
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:20,240
Speaker 1: Kaishan Booty for most of the playoffs. And that's a

2545
01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:23,640
Speaker 1: starting wide receiver who's playing more snaps pretty much than

2546
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:26,400
Speaker 1: any other wide receiver on the team besides maybe Matt

2547
01:57:26,440 --> 01:57:29,440
Speaker 1: Collins when he was healthy. So they need to look

2548
01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:33,760
Speaker 1: at getting a more dynamic X in Kaishan Booty, I think,

2549
01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:37,000
Speaker 1: which is tough because I think Kayshan Boody has done

2550
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:37,680
Speaker 1: everything right.

2551
01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:41,160
Speaker 3: But you could also, like we both thought he's probably

2552
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:42,680
Speaker 3: better at the Z anyway.

2553
01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've heard that, and I wonder about that.

2554
01:57:46,240 --> 01:57:48,360
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe that I think that is holding on

2555
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:50,960
Speaker 1: a little bit to like early lsu Kashan Boody.

2556
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:54,240
Speaker 2: Fair enough, but I could see where you're coming from

2557
01:57:54,280 --> 01:57:54,480
Speaker 2: with that.

2558
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:56,800
Speaker 1: But I think the biggest thing is is you know,

2559
01:57:57,000 --> 01:57:59,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna get in a lot of backside one on

2560
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:01,520
Speaker 1: one coverage when you're at that position.

2561
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:03,080
Speaker 2: That's the nature of the position.

2562
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:06,360
Speaker 1: And they have a quarterback that can put the ball,

2563
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, wherever he wants against that type of coverage,

2564
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:12,200
Speaker 1: and they need a guy that not only can win

2565
01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:15,120
Speaker 1: the ball, but also can get open on those routes.

2566
01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:17,880
Speaker 1: In Kisehan Boody did during the regular season, and he

2567
01:58:18,040 --> 01:58:21,080
Speaker 1: didn't do it as much like everybody on the team,

2568
01:58:21,160 --> 01:58:22,800
Speaker 1: not just him, you know, he didn't do it as

2569
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:25,840
Speaker 1: much in the playoffs. Let's end it on this one

2570
01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:28,760
Speaker 1: because it feels like the uh this is a good

2571
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:31,680
Speaker 1: a good way to end it. This is from Blake

2572
01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:34,120
Speaker 1: and Ohio. Now that I've had a few days to sulk,

2573
01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:36,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to reach out and thank you guys for

2574
01:58:36,200 --> 01:58:38,480
Speaker 1: a fantastic season. It was fun to be a Patriots

2575
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:40,440
Speaker 1: fan again this year, and a lot of that have

2576
01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:41,919
Speaker 1: to do with you guys and your coworkers.

2577
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:42,600
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for that.

2578
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:43,280
Speaker 3: Appreciate it.

2579
01:58:45,400 --> 01:58:46,400
Speaker 2: I really appreciate that.

2580
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:49,920
Speaker 1: I really appreciate everybody that you know watched and listened

2581
01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:52,600
Speaker 1: to all the different shows this show, especially because this

2582
01:58:52,760 --> 01:58:55,160
Speaker 1: is our show and I near and dear to my heart.

2583
01:58:55,640 --> 01:58:56,440
Speaker 2: During the season.

2584
01:58:56,920 --> 01:58:59,440
Speaker 1: Wasn't the way that we wanted it to end, obviously,

2585
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:02,040
Speaker 1: but like I said at the top of the show,

2586
01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:04,680
Speaker 1: now I'll be a little bit fanboy.

2587
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:07,200
Speaker 2: It was a really fun ride.

2588
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:10,200
Speaker 1: This is the most fun that I've had covering this

2589
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Speaker 1: team in a long long time, like probably twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: our very first year on the Beat when they won

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, because even nineteen, like Brady was sulking,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't all that fun, to be honest, even though

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01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:25,240
Speaker 1: they were winning games. This was the most fun I've

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01:59:25,320 --> 01:59:29,040
Speaker 1: had covering the team, maybe my entire time covering the Beat.

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Speaker 1: This was a great, great team. This was a great

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01:59:32,280 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 1: group of guys, probably the best locker room that I've

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Speaker 1: ever been around. And it didn't They didn't finish the job,

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Speaker 1: and that's disappointing. And maybe they, you know, didn't finish

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Speaker 1: the job as a result of they weren't quite a

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Speaker 1: championship caliber team and that finally caught up to them

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Speaker 1: when they played one of the behemoths in the NFC.

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Speaker 1: And like, I'll concede all that stuff, but that doesn't

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01:59:53,960 --> 01:59:55,960
Speaker 1: take away from you know, the friends we made along

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Speaker 1: the way.

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Speaker 3: As they like to say, no, it's just a this

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Speaker 3: was a special year. Yeah, this an awesome year. I

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Speaker 3: appreciate everybody who tuned in and all that. That was

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Speaker 3: kind of part of what it hit me at the end.

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Speaker 3: When it hit me is like, man, it's you know,

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Speaker 3: hopefully they're onto bigger and better things, but there was

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Speaker 3: something of this team was a little different. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: sometimes I've covered a lot of teams at a lot

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Speaker 3: of different levels, and you know, this is probably the

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Speaker 3: first time on this job covering this team that like

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Speaker 3: you had that feeling this was.

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Speaker 2: The best locker room, the best team chemistry, the best vibes.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna roll your eyes at this, but this reminded

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Speaker 3: me of like covering college athletics and like where you

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Speaker 3: get that kind of camaraderie and stuff like that. This

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Speaker 3: team reminded me that, So hopefully, you know, they can

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Speaker 3: work to replicate that last year. Next year they should

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Speaker 3: have a lot of their leadership back. But sometimes these

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Speaker 3: things are just lightning in a bottle, and even if

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Speaker 3: it's good next year, maybe it's not quite what this was.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think it will be.

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Speaker 3: And the hope is and that doesn't mean it's going

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Speaker 3: to be bad or no, because the hope.

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Speaker 1: The hope is that the talent on the team is better, right,

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Speaker 1: And I don't think that you can recreate the energy

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Speaker 1: and the vibes around this team. That's gonna be really

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02:01:02,440 --> 02:01:04,480
Speaker 1: hard to do. That doesn't mean that they're gonna be

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02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:06,440
Speaker 1: worse though, that mean and that doesn't mean that the

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Speaker 1: vibes are gonna be bad or they're all gonna hate

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Speaker 1: each other.

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Speaker 3: That can be different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Okay, So that does it for today. That

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Speaker 1: was a little bit therapeutic. I'm still kind of pissed,

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Speaker 1: but hopefully I'll get over this eventually. The uh Catch

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Speaker 1: twenty two will be back next Wednesday at noon. We're

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Speaker 1: now at noon to two. I'd like we were today

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Speaker 1: every Wednesday the off season moving forward. Like I mentioned

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Speaker 1: a few minutes ago, we're going to the Combine and

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Speaker 1: like two and a week and a half, so that's

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02:01:33,800 --> 02:01:37,960
Speaker 1: gonna be right around the corner. PEU tomorrow twelve to

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Speaker 1: two Tuesdays and Thursdays now, So that's our off season schedule.

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Speaker 1: But I promise you we will have written we all

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Speaker 1: have video content, we'll have podcasts. We're not going anywhere

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Speaker 1: throughout the entire off season. And unlike some of the

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Speaker 1: off seasons that we've gotten used to the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years out, we're getting right into it.

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Speaker 3: This is gonna be a blitz.

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Speaker 2: This is gonna be like that.

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Speaker 3: It was cool covering the top of the draft. I'd

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Speaker 3: rather not do it. There was some cool things about it,

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Speaker 3: But the one thing that was tough was when we

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Speaker 3: started the draft essentially in October. Yeah, and we did

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Speaker 3: our best, and we're professionals, but even I can admit

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Speaker 3: it got a little repetitive. Sure at times, this is

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Speaker 3: not gonna get repetitive.

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Speaker 1: Because we're all cramming, we have fewer time to fill

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Speaker 1: it in and frankly, there's more players to talk about.

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Speaker 3: Right when you're picking third or fourth, you know it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be one of however, many guys. Yeah, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: be coming in every week and we're going to be

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Speaker 3: a different player every week. That this is the argument

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Speaker 3: for the first round for this guy, and you know,

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Speaker 3: free agency trades to no, there's gonna be This is

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Speaker 3: like you said, we're gonna be cramming it in. This

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Speaker 3: is we are not going to be short on content.

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Speaker 3: This is not gonna be repetitive.

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Speaker 2: So next week I want to do some more off

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Speaker 2: season needs stuff.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about their internal free agents a

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Speaker 1: little bit more too, and who I would be interested

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Speaker 1: in signing and bringing back. And then of course we'll

2676
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Speaker 1: start to talk about the combine and all that good

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Speaker 1: stuff as well.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see you guys.

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Speaker 6: Then.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for a great season, but we're not done here

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Speaker 1: on Catch twenty two. Alex and I will be back

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Speaker 1: next week.

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Speaker 3: Bye. Hey, this is Deuce. Thanks for tuning into the show.

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Speaker 1: If you really want to help us, make sure you

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Speaker 1: like us wherever you get your podcasts like Apple Podcasts

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Speaker 1: or Spotify.

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Speaker 3: Also make sure you.

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Speaker 1: Follow us on the New England Patriots YouTube channel to

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02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:16,120
Speaker 1: see this show and everything else that we do here

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Speaker 1: at the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot