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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey Darren, welcome.

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Speaker 1: Back to the latest episode of the Book of Joe

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Speaker 1: Podcast with me, Tom Berducci, and of course Joe Madden.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Joe, I really want.

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Speaker 1: To get your take on early and I mean early

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Speaker 1: discussion about the al Most Valuable Player race. But before

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Speaker 1: we do that, we have to start with some sad news,

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Speaker 1: the passing of Dave Parker, just a month away from

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Speaker 1: his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: He waited so long for that moment.

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Speaker 1: Joe, I know you have a personal history with the

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Speaker 1: Cobra Dave Parker. First of all, just give me your

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Speaker 1: thoughts when you heard the news about his passing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, really very sad. I didn't I knew he

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Speaker 3: had been at Parkinson's. I didn't know was this far along.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that he was in this kind of danger.

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Speaker 3: And so my buddy of mine, I said, Wow, I mean,

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Speaker 4: Just really overtaken with sadness. This guy.

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Speaker 3: He was a teammate of mine as a coach with

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Speaker 3: the Angels late nineties with Terry Collins' staff, him and

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Speaker 3: Boa Rodney and others there. Listen, he he this guy

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Speaker 3: to me for the first time. I mean, I felt

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Speaker 3: when I was on the field with him, he showed

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Speaker 3: me what it was like to be in a major

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Speaker 3: league field and feel as though you're on an American

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Speaker 4: He just he had his presence about him.

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Speaker 3: Could not be more comfortable in his own skin, could

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Speaker 3: not be more comfortable in a major league uniform or on.

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Speaker 4: A major league field. I really that's what I gleaned

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Speaker 3: And on top of that, he always was there, Like

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Speaker 3: if anybody like, I'm not that people are getting on me,

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Speaker 3: but if anybody was like sending the non toward toward me,

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Speaker 3: he was. He was my defender man. He was just

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Speaker 3: so he was always there. He was always there. One

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Speaker 3: of the sharpest witted people I've been around. Fine, God

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Speaker 3: was he funny. He made up some stuff on the

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Speaker 3: spot that I thought was spectacular. I just felt closeness

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Speaker 3: I just I recognized everything about him. So I was

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Speaker 3: really upset about it, really upset into his family. If

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Speaker 3: anybody's listening, I just want to extend my condolences. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to try to get in touch somehow. But he

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Speaker 3: as a major league coach and and then manager, eventually

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Speaker 3: he had as much influence on me as anybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, six foot five, two hundred and thirty pounds, that

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Speaker 1: was probably in his prime at two hundred and thirty pounds.

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Speaker 1: That's a good guy to have your back, Joe. And

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Speaker 1: I think I love the way you put that as well,

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Speaker 1: that you know, he made everybody feel like he was

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Speaker 1: your best friend, right, I mean, Dave Parker in his prime,

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Speaker 1: I think he played the game of baseball as well

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Speaker 1: as anybody on the field through those years, just did

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Speaker 1: everything at an elite level. But to think of him, Joe,

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Speaker 1: not just as a coach, but later in his career,

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Speaker 1: he was such a great teammate and his influence you know,

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Speaker 1: with other players is just remarkable. I know that Eric Davis,

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Speaker 1: the former Cincinnati read great, said he probably had more

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Speaker 1: impact on young players than any player I've ever been around.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what a testament. And you mentioned the Parkinson's disease.

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Speaker 1: You know, Dave Parker played major league baseball for nineteen years,

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Speaker 1: really long career. He battled Parkinson's almost as long fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: He passed away at the age of seventy four after

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Speaker 1: a long fight with that dreadful disease. But yeah, when

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Speaker 1: I think of Dave Parker, all round player, definition of

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Speaker 1: an all round player. But again, Joe, I think his

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Speaker 1: influence and I'm glad you worked on a staff with him.

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Speaker 1: Can only I can only imagine you know, he was

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Speaker 3: I worked with the Hall of Fame staff, I had Boa,

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Speaker 3: I had David and Rodney Krue on the same staff.

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Speaker 3: How about how about that and George Hendrick I mean cousin,

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Speaker 3: and I call it George cause him and David very

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Speaker 4: The same way. I mean, these guys, their.

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Speaker 3: Influence, like you said, even as a teammate, was legendary

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Speaker 3: within the clubhouse everybody I remember any sound as Andy

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Speaker 3: Sonnenstein sitting with Cuz all the time, and with David,

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Speaker 3: Like I said, I would sit with David just to

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Speaker 4: So he's not only.

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Speaker 3: Very impactful on young players, he's very impactful on young

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Speaker 3: coaches too. This is a tough one. This was a

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Speaker 3: very tough one, Joe.

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Speaker 1: When you talked about having a clubhouse coach, so to speak,

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Speaker 1: I had a smile on my face because he brought

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Speaker 1: me back to when I covered the Yankees and Billy

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Speaker 1: Martin was the manager and he hired Willy Horton, and

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Speaker 1: he called Willy Horton his tranquility coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that title.

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Speaker 1: Just you know, a guy who's been in the fox hole,

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Speaker 1: right connects with everybody, and you know, I look around

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Speaker 1: the game now maybe it's starting to come back, Joe.

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Speaker 1: You know that star Major League player who comes back

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Speaker 2: The clubs are looking for.

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Speaker 1: But guys like Edgar Martinez now back in the game

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Speaker 1: Eric Chavez with the Mets. You know, I never want

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Speaker 1: but I do like having a balance on a coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about the importance of having a Dave

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Speaker 1: he knew hitting really well as well.

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Speaker 3: Well, these guys aren't going to go have a conversation

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Speaker 4: They might be able to now with AI and the

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Speaker 3: Is being formulated, but you need an actual human being,

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Speaker 3: And on top of that that that gregarious personality that

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Speaker 3: it's not like you're just going to give you a

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Speaker 4: I want the truth. What are you seeing right now?

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Speaker 3: And and you know, one of my favorites is that

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Speaker 3: honesty without compassion equals cruelty. So I think these guys,

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Speaker 3: And also, like I said, these guys should be at

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Speaker 3: give it to whomever. And of course, if the nuance

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Speaker 3: I've been there, I know that, and I've listen. I've

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Speaker 3: been dripping with analytical information as much as anybody can

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Speaker 3: and a lot of it has to do with experience also,

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Speaker 4: There's so many different things you want in a major.

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Speaker 3: This clubhouse coach the guy that could really be impactful

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Speaker 4: But believe me, I have been on top.

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Speaker 3: Of that for years because I could I recognize it,

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Speaker 3: in a perfect world. It's a very complex situation putting

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Speaker 3: almost unilaterally. I mean, of course he wanted to discuss

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Speaker 1: Just a couple of notes on the Cobra. David Geen Parker.

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Speaker 1: He was born in Mississippi, one of six children. The

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Speaker 1: His dad worked for a company in Cincinnati that manufactured valves.

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Speaker 1: He was drafted as a catcher, and obviously he switched

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Speaker 1: very early to the outfield. He's one of only five

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Speaker 1: It's the cult of individualism? And you think about that.

440
00:21:49,598 --> 00:21:52,598
Speaker 1: You know, the supergroups, as we talked about back in

441
00:21:52,598 --> 00:21:54,958
Speaker 1: the seventies and a little bit into the eighties, mostly

442
00:21:54,998 --> 00:21:58,958
Speaker 1: in the seventies. You know, Ralphs came from Matahopel, You

443
00:21:58,998 --> 00:22:01,918
Speaker 1: remember them, right, all the young dudes, Yah, yeah, they aby.

444
00:22:01,638 --> 00:22:02,438
Speaker 2: To help them out there.

445
00:22:04,118 --> 00:22:05,958
Speaker 1: A couple other guys in the band came from the

446
00:22:05,958 --> 00:22:08,198
Speaker 1: band Free, remember that one.

447
00:22:08,278 --> 00:22:10,718
Speaker 4: Free was outstanding absolutely all.

448
00:22:10,718 --> 00:22:14,798
Speaker 2: Right now, And the Bassis came from King Crimson.

449
00:22:15,518 --> 00:22:19,638
Speaker 1: So you had this these really talented musicians coming together

450
00:22:19,678 --> 00:22:23,278
Speaker 1: and playing some great music h and cranking out some

451
00:22:23,478 --> 00:22:26,678
Speaker 1: great songs. And I think it was that the teamwork.

452
00:22:26,798 --> 00:22:29,438
Speaker 1: And think about you know, great bands today. If you

453
00:22:29,518 --> 00:22:32,278
Speaker 1: can think about any of those great rock bands anyway,

454
00:22:32,398 --> 00:22:36,478
Speaker 1: there's not many that succeed on a you know that

455
00:22:36,638 --> 00:22:39,478
Speaker 1: super group basis that, you know, getting four or five

456
00:22:39,518 --> 00:22:42,278
Speaker 1: guys together and staying together and cranking out albums.

457
00:22:43,678 --> 00:22:45,198
Speaker 2: So it's a different time.

458
00:22:45,358 --> 00:22:47,918
Speaker 1: Not saying it's it's better or worse whatever, but it's

459
00:22:47,958 --> 00:22:49,998
Speaker 1: a different time. And like you, I'm glad I was

460
00:22:50,078 --> 00:22:53,038
Speaker 1: there around for that. The formation of those bands.

461
00:22:53,158 --> 00:22:57,678
Speaker 3: The creativity, right, the creativity and the inspiration. They find

462
00:22:57,678 --> 00:23:01,918
Speaker 3: inspiration in so many different places, so many different ways.

463
00:23:01,918 --> 00:23:05,558
Speaker 3: They would you just write songs about our house is

464
00:23:05,558 --> 00:23:08,798
Speaker 3: a very very very fine house. Uh what's that? Graham

465
00:23:08,878 --> 00:23:12,318
Speaker 3: Nash with Joni Mitchell back in Laurel Canyon back in

466
00:23:12,318 --> 00:23:15,478
Speaker 3: the day, just they went down shopping down in some

467
00:23:15,918 --> 00:23:19,438
Speaker 3: local groovy little spot, and he created this song based

468
00:23:19,438 --> 00:23:20,678
Speaker 3: on that experience on that one day.

469
00:23:20,758 --> 00:23:21,918
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that's accurate.

470
00:23:21,958 --> 00:23:24,278
Speaker 3: And it becomes so popular, becomes so big, But do

471
00:23:24,318 --> 00:23:25,998
Speaker 3: we permit it, do we actually try to do it?

472
00:23:26,318 --> 00:23:27,078
Speaker 4: Do we just try to?

473
00:23:27,518 --> 00:23:29,558
Speaker 3: Do we even are we even aware to look at

474
00:23:29,638 --> 00:23:31,278
Speaker 3: like what's in front of our very eyes and then

475
00:23:31,318 --> 00:23:32,558
Speaker 3: try to extrap late on it to.

476
00:23:32,518 --> 00:23:33,998
Speaker 4: The point where it becomes art.

477
00:23:34,638 --> 00:23:36,438
Speaker 3: Of course there is, of course there's artists out there

478
00:23:36,478 --> 00:23:39,158
Speaker 3: like that, no question, but to the to the level

479
00:23:39,198 --> 00:23:41,718
Speaker 3: that we experienced, I mean, my god, every just break

480
00:23:41,718 --> 00:23:44,358
Speaker 3: down all the different bands, and let's just go the seventies,

481
00:23:44,838 --> 00:23:48,238
Speaker 3: and almost within the first five notes or six notes

482
00:23:48,238 --> 00:23:51,758
Speaker 3: of a song, they're so uniquely different that you would

483
00:23:51,798 --> 00:23:54,798
Speaker 3: know exactly who it was and and and that the

484
00:23:54,878 --> 00:23:57,478
Speaker 3: sound of that group was prevalent throughout all of their work.

485
00:23:58,518 --> 00:24:00,078
Speaker 4: I don't I don't see that anymore.

486
00:24:00,078 --> 00:24:01,838
Speaker 3: I don't think it's even I don't even know if

487
00:24:01,838 --> 00:24:05,798
Speaker 3: it's encouraged or say. Everything so synthesized and everything so

488
00:24:05,918 --> 00:24:08,478
Speaker 3: part of group think anymore, that you don't get this

489
00:24:08,558 --> 00:24:12,398
Speaker 3: individuality that we experience. To me, that is so near

490
00:24:12,438 --> 00:24:15,518
Speaker 3: and dear to my heart and something that, like I said,

491
00:24:15,998 --> 00:24:19,518
Speaker 3: from from my perspective, I feel like I could identify

492
00:24:19,598 --> 00:24:23,118
Speaker 3: with And that's that's what I love about the previous

493
00:24:23,158 --> 00:24:25,278
Speaker 3: this And this is not ageism speaking. This is just

494
00:24:25,318 --> 00:24:27,638
Speaker 3: the pointing out a fact that this was the way

495
00:24:27,678 --> 00:24:30,038
Speaker 3: it was, and I'd love to see a return to that.

496
00:24:30,038 --> 00:24:32,638
Speaker 3: There's no reason why you can't return to more of

497
00:24:32,638 --> 00:24:35,918
Speaker 3: an individual method of doing things and not being so

498
00:24:36,198 --> 00:24:39,598
Speaker 3: corporated with everything that we do. That would be kind

499
00:24:39,598 --> 00:24:42,398
Speaker 3: of interesting. I think i'd be more interesting. And even

500
00:24:42,398 --> 00:24:45,398
Speaker 3: in baseball, the permission to be the stat of the

501
00:24:45,438 --> 00:24:51,078
Speaker 3: way of greatness and permitting a more should I say,

502
00:24:51,438 --> 00:24:55,278
Speaker 3: and not as a structured, analytically structured game of baseball,

503
00:24:55,278 --> 00:24:56,598
Speaker 3: I think it would make it more interesting.

504
00:24:57,238 --> 00:25:01,118
Speaker 1: Well, Joe, I think if it's possible, it's we know

505
00:25:01,278 --> 00:25:03,838
Speaker 1: too much now, right. You think about hitting in the

506
00:25:03,998 --> 00:25:07,198
Speaker 1: way hitting is taught right, and way we can break

507
00:25:07,238 --> 00:25:12,278
Speaker 1: it down into granular details in terms of using force

508
00:25:12,358 --> 00:25:15,358
Speaker 1: plates and slow motion capture.

509
00:25:15,318 --> 00:25:16,198
Speaker 2: Whatever you can.

510
00:25:16,438 --> 00:25:18,358
Speaker 1: You can break down the swing and the mechanics of

511
00:25:18,398 --> 00:25:20,558
Speaker 1: a swing more ways than ever before. So we know

512
00:25:20,638 --> 00:25:22,798
Speaker 1: so much about it. And I think we were talking

513
00:25:22,838 --> 00:25:24,918
Speaker 1: about those groups in the seventies and going into the

514
00:25:24,998 --> 00:25:28,158
Speaker 1: Laurel Canyon and that kind of sound. Nobody thought about

515
00:25:28,278 --> 00:25:33,998
Speaker 1: what played publicly, right. They created what was interesting to them,

516
00:25:34,358 --> 00:25:36,918
Speaker 1: you know, they followed their muse And I see this

517
00:25:36,958 --> 00:25:40,798
Speaker 1: in journalism too now, Joe, we have all the data

518
00:25:40,838 --> 00:25:44,078
Speaker 1: where they can measure what people read, how long they

519
00:25:44,118 --> 00:25:46,998
Speaker 1: stick on a story, what they don't read, and that

520
00:25:47,198 --> 00:25:52,158
Speaker 1: drives then what is produced. So the echo what comes

521
00:25:52,238 --> 00:25:55,918
Speaker 1: back actually is now the inspiration for what is created,

522
00:25:56,638 --> 00:25:59,518
Speaker 1: rather than the purity of saying, you know, this is

523
00:25:59,518 --> 00:26:02,558
Speaker 1: a good story or this is how I swing the bet.

524
00:26:03,198 --> 00:26:03,478
Speaker 4: Uh.

525
00:26:03,958 --> 00:26:05,998
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying it's wrong or right, but I

526
00:26:06,038 --> 00:26:10,718
Speaker 1: think having so much information available makes the naturalness of

527
00:26:10,838 --> 00:26:15,198
Speaker 1: creativity harder to come by. And I know for a

528
00:26:15,238 --> 00:26:18,638
Speaker 1: fact in my business it drives journalism, even to the

529
00:26:18,678 --> 00:26:21,318
Speaker 1: point of what headlines they're going to put on a

530
00:26:21,358 --> 00:26:23,878
Speaker 1: story to make you click on it. All of this

531
00:26:23,958 --> 00:26:28,998
Speaker 1: is known based on research and analytics. The creativity is

532
00:26:28,998 --> 00:26:33,638
Speaker 1: almost gone because people follow the numbers and the algorithms,

533
00:26:33,678 --> 00:26:36,838
Speaker 1: and it's just where our society is. And I'm sure

534
00:26:36,878 --> 00:26:38,678
Speaker 1: you see that and hear that, Joe, with the way

535
00:26:38,718 --> 00:26:39,838
Speaker 1: the game is taught.

536
00:26:39,798 --> 00:26:42,918
Speaker 3: Well, it's great explanation. You put it together really really well.

537
00:26:42,998 --> 00:26:43,718
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, Joe.

538
00:26:43,718 --> 00:26:46,158
Speaker 1: Back in the day, when somebody cut an album that

539
00:26:46,278 --> 00:26:50,318
Speaker 1: was a true recording, it was the record of an event,

540
00:26:50,438 --> 00:26:53,398
Speaker 1: and the event was you're getting together in a room

541
00:26:53,678 --> 00:26:58,398
Speaker 1: and you're recording this happening at that moment, laying down tracks,

542
00:26:58,878 --> 00:27:00,158
Speaker 1: laying down the vocals.

543
00:27:00,678 --> 00:27:03,318
Speaker 2: It wasn't processed the way that it is now.

544
00:27:04,238 --> 00:27:08,558
Speaker 1: I don't know how you capture the authenticity of riffing

545
00:27:09,118 --> 00:27:12,438
Speaker 1: and just creating on the fly, so to speak, when

546
00:27:12,518 --> 00:27:14,798
Speaker 1: everything is processed one hundred percent.

547
00:27:14,878 --> 00:27:17,678
Speaker 3: And just to go back to your previous discussion about

548
00:27:17,678 --> 00:27:21,758
Speaker 3: the hitting, I think what's being taught right now, or

549
00:27:21,958 --> 00:27:23,758
Speaker 3: what's being able to be broken down right now, is

550
00:27:23,758 --> 00:27:27,078
Speaker 3: the physical mechanics. There's no question, but the mental mechanics,

551
00:27:27,358 --> 00:27:30,718
Speaker 3: how to play the game, how to approach in that bat.

552
00:27:30,838 --> 00:27:33,398
Speaker 3: I don't know how much is being spent there, because

553
00:27:33,678 --> 00:27:35,318
Speaker 3: of course I was there and I was actually been

554
00:27:35,358 --> 00:27:37,838
Speaker 3: a hitting coach in my past, and even with me,

555
00:27:38,078 --> 00:27:42,878
Speaker 3: I was very very aware that I thought spring training

556
00:27:42,918 --> 00:27:45,998
Speaker 3: probably more into the physical mechanics. First month or two

557
00:27:45,998 --> 00:27:48,878
Speaker 3: maybe still physical. Lif would say, like I mean even

558
00:27:48,878 --> 00:27:51,078
Speaker 3: talk about like seventy five percent of camp might be

559
00:27:51,118 --> 00:27:53,518
Speaker 3: physical mechanics. Then you knock it down to fifty as

560
00:27:53,518 --> 00:27:55,758
Speaker 3: the season begins, and by the end of the season

561
00:27:55,838 --> 00:27:56,878
Speaker 3: it should be just the opposite.

562
00:27:56,878 --> 00:27:57,998
Speaker 4: It should be like seventy.

563
00:27:57,678 --> 00:28:00,558
Speaker 3: Five percent mental mechanics and maybe only twenty twenty five

564
00:28:00,598 --> 00:28:03,238
Speaker 3: percent physical. You just wanted to get away from that

565
00:28:03,358 --> 00:28:06,838
Speaker 3: because I really think the true genius and that we're

566
00:28:06,838 --> 00:28:10,758
Speaker 3: talking about genius Hall of Famers, whether it's music or

567
00:28:11,238 --> 00:28:15,518
Speaker 3: we're talking athletically baseball, their success was controlled by their

568
00:28:15,558 --> 00:28:17,718
Speaker 3: mind and what they thought and how they processed the day,

569
00:28:17,758 --> 00:28:21,558
Speaker 3: and their ability to put failure behind them behind themselves

570
00:28:21,598 --> 00:28:24,118
Speaker 3: very quickly. And further, we're not even worry about failure.

571
00:28:24,158 --> 00:28:25,718
Speaker 3: You know, they were out there, like we were said,

572
00:28:25,758 --> 00:28:28,998
Speaker 3: creat creating. They're out there creating, bringing their passion to life,

573
00:28:29,478 --> 00:28:32,518
Speaker 3: bringing their their years again of laying a bed at

574
00:28:32,598 --> 00:28:34,718
Speaker 3: night or maybe reaching over to grab a notepad and

575
00:28:34,878 --> 00:28:36,158
Speaker 3: I don't want to forget what I just thought and

576
00:28:36,158 --> 00:28:38,598
Speaker 3: writing it down by at your bedside table in order

577
00:28:38,638 --> 00:28:42,318
Speaker 3: to remember these wonderful thoughts that we had all day

578
00:28:42,358 --> 00:28:44,838
Speaker 3: that we knew there was there was there was something

579
00:28:44,918 --> 00:28:46,838
Speaker 3: relevant there and something that I could utilize there, and

580
00:28:46,838 --> 00:28:49,078
Speaker 3: something that really got to got to write it down

581
00:28:49,118 --> 00:28:51,118
Speaker 3: now because if I don't ever forget it, I'm just

582
00:28:51,158 --> 00:28:53,998
Speaker 3: going to go away. And always had those issues. So, uh,

583
00:28:54,078 --> 00:28:56,998
Speaker 3: mental mechanics, man, everybody, everybody wants.

584
00:28:56,758 --> 00:28:58,998
Speaker 4: To go physical with this stuff. And it's it's great.

585
00:28:59,158 --> 00:29:01,798
Speaker 3: Like you know, I'm trying to play golf better, and

586
00:29:01,838 --> 00:29:03,278
Speaker 3: I've spent a lot of time on the physical. But

587
00:29:03,318 --> 00:29:05,078
Speaker 3: I tell you, my best stays when I go out there,

588
00:29:05,278 --> 00:29:06,998
Speaker 3: when I just play the course and I tried to

589
00:29:07,038 --> 00:29:09,438
Speaker 3: really get down to the mental side of what I'm

590
00:29:09,478 --> 00:29:11,038
Speaker 3: trying to do, and it's.

591
00:29:10,918 --> 00:29:13,278
Speaker 4: All you get trapped. It's always you've always wanted the trap.

592
00:29:13,358 --> 00:29:14,598
Speaker 3: If you got a bad shot, I got to go

593
00:29:14,638 --> 00:29:17,918
Speaker 3: back to the physical mechanics. And what happened right there? No, no, no,

594
00:29:17,958 --> 00:29:19,918
Speaker 3: just drop it. You're fine, Just go back and pick

595
00:29:19,958 --> 00:29:23,958
Speaker 3: out your target whatever. So I still believe that true

596
00:29:23,998 --> 00:29:26,318
Speaker 3: success is created and handled by the mind, and you

597
00:29:26,358 --> 00:29:28,998
Speaker 3: really have to nurture that and understand that. And at

598
00:29:28,998 --> 00:29:31,118
Speaker 3: some point you got to put the wrench down, mister

599
00:29:31,118 --> 00:29:33,198
Speaker 3: good wrench, put it down and just go out to let.

600
00:29:33,078 --> 00:29:33,998
Speaker 4: The car drive itself.

601
00:29:34,398 --> 00:29:34,958
Speaker 2: Good stuff.

602
00:29:35,038 --> 00:29:37,758
Speaker 1: Joe, Hey, I brought up the idea of the al

603
00:29:37,878 --> 00:29:40,558
Speaker 1: MVP race. We promised you a discussion about that. We

604
00:29:40,558 --> 00:29:42,638
Speaker 1: we're going to do that right after this. Who do

605
00:29:42,678 --> 00:29:46,518
Speaker 1: you have, Aaron Judge or cal Raley? We backed the

606
00:29:46,518 --> 00:30:00,398
Speaker 1: Book of Joe right after this. Welcome back to the

607
00:30:00,398 --> 00:30:00,998
Speaker 1: Book of Joe.

608
00:30:01,638 --> 00:30:02,038
Speaker 2: Hey, Joe.

609
00:30:02,118 --> 00:30:05,438
Speaker 1: The other day I was doing for FS one a

610
00:30:05,518 --> 00:30:10,078
Speaker 1: Mariners Rangers game, and I'm watching cal Raley, and I mean.

611
00:30:09,998 --> 00:30:11,158
Speaker 2: Listen, you're a former catcher.

612
00:30:11,158 --> 00:30:12,838
Speaker 1: I don't have to convince you of this, but what

613
00:30:12,958 --> 00:30:15,878
Speaker 1: catchers go through is just amazing, right, And for cal

614
00:30:15,998 --> 00:30:18,358
Speaker 1: Raley to be hitting thirty two home runs through the

615
00:30:18,358 --> 00:30:20,278
Speaker 1: first eighty one games of the season.

616
00:30:20,518 --> 00:30:22,918
Speaker 2: It's just crazy. He catches a lot.

617
00:30:23,038 --> 00:30:25,678
Speaker 1: It's not like he dhs most and then once in

618
00:30:25,718 --> 00:30:28,318
Speaker 1: a while catches and he's back there a lot and

619
00:30:28,358 --> 00:30:30,998
Speaker 1: he's calling pitches. He got hit with a foul ball

620
00:30:31,158 --> 00:30:34,078
Speaker 1: right where the chest protector stopped, right on his ribcage.

621
00:30:35,518 --> 00:30:37,918
Speaker 1: You know, one thing I caught my eye too was

622
00:30:37,998 --> 00:30:41,558
Speaker 1: one inning he let off. And you know, as a catcher, Joe,

623
00:30:41,598 --> 00:30:43,278
Speaker 1: when you lead off, you got to take the gear

624
00:30:43,318 --> 00:30:45,758
Speaker 1: off really quickly, and especially now with the pitch timer,

625
00:30:45,798 --> 00:30:48,158
Speaker 1: you got to run out there really quickly take your bat.

626
00:30:48,358 --> 00:30:50,798
Speaker 1: He got a walk and he was on base the

627
00:30:50,958 --> 00:30:53,838
Speaker 1: entire half inning in which there was a pitching change.

628
00:30:53,838 --> 00:30:54,718
Speaker 2: By the way, so now.

629
00:30:54,558 --> 00:30:56,238
Speaker 1: He's got to run back to the dugout, put the

630
00:30:56,278 --> 00:30:58,838
Speaker 1: gear back on, was able to get back to catch

631
00:30:58,918 --> 00:31:03,478
Speaker 1: one warm up pitch from his Mariners pitcher, And you

632
00:31:03,558 --> 00:31:05,158
Speaker 1: just think about how many times this goes on to

633
00:31:05,238 --> 00:31:07,278
Speaker 1: the course of a day. He threw out a runner, stealing,

634
00:31:07,478 --> 00:31:11,398
Speaker 1: I mean, taking foul balls, game planning, calling pitches, and oh,

635
00:31:11,478 --> 00:31:14,118
Speaker 1: by the way, he's just been just a monster at

636
00:31:14,118 --> 00:31:16,478
Speaker 1: the dish this year. He's doing things that are unprecedented

637
00:31:16,478 --> 00:31:19,678
Speaker 1: for catchers, at least halfway through the season offensively.

638
00:31:20,878 --> 00:31:22,278
Speaker 2: I was just blown away.

639
00:31:22,038 --> 00:31:26,038
Speaker 1: By sort of the intricacies of what we you know,

640
00:31:26,438 --> 00:31:29,558
Speaker 1: almost accept and don't even notice from catchers and what

641
00:31:29,918 --> 00:31:32,078
Speaker 1: they go through, and you multiply that by one hundred

642
00:31:32,078 --> 00:31:36,118
Speaker 1: and thirty games. Whatever it is that being said, I

643
00:31:36,198 --> 00:31:38,238
Speaker 1: just can't bring myself to say he's the MVP.

644
00:31:38,838 --> 00:31:40,598
Speaker 4: Great? How great is everything?

645
00:31:41,038 --> 00:31:43,718
Speaker 1: I mean, who do you got, Judge or cal Raley?

646
00:31:43,758 --> 00:31:46,958
Speaker 1: Because the defensive quotion for Raleigh is really where the

647
00:31:47,118 --> 00:31:49,078
Speaker 1: argument at least becomes close.

648
00:31:49,358 --> 00:31:52,678
Speaker 3: Well, how about a great description obviously, and let me

649
00:31:52,718 --> 00:31:54,918
Speaker 3: just that before even go to that point. When you

650
00:31:54,958 --> 00:31:58,278
Speaker 3: watch rally hit. What's is there one thing that stands

651
00:31:58,278 --> 00:32:00,838
Speaker 3: out in your mind? Because when he first came up,

652
00:32:01,198 --> 00:32:03,318
Speaker 3: I think we might have been playing them, and I'm

653
00:32:03,398 --> 00:32:06,278
Speaker 3: turning to maunt Wise and I said, damn on a

654
00:32:06,318 --> 00:32:09,798
Speaker 3: foul ball straight back. I just said that, So I

655
00:32:09,838 --> 00:32:12,158
Speaker 3: know what I'm thinking because I remember it saying it immediately.

656
00:32:12,518 --> 00:32:14,118
Speaker 3: Is the one thing that stands out about is swing?

657
00:32:14,158 --> 00:32:15,398
Speaker 4: To you? When you watch him swing the bat?

658
00:32:15,838 --> 00:32:17,998
Speaker 1: Well, I know this here he got closer to the plate,

659
00:32:18,078 --> 00:32:21,198
Speaker 1: so he's like Jose Riverez. He's turning that Rizzo turning

660
00:32:21,198 --> 00:32:24,318
Speaker 1: that outside pitch middle. But to me, it's his extension

661
00:32:24,438 --> 00:32:27,158
Speaker 1: poleside in the air, the way he extends through the ball.

662
00:32:27,198 --> 00:32:29,678
Speaker 4: What do you got bat speed? Oh my god?

663
00:32:29,878 --> 00:32:30,398
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

664
00:32:30,478 --> 00:32:32,438
Speaker 3: I could not believe. And I think it was right handed.

665
00:32:32,438 --> 00:32:35,118
Speaker 3: When I first saw him, WHOA. I looked at Maddie

666
00:32:35,118 --> 00:32:37,158
Speaker 3: and I said, damn, I mean, who is this guy? Said,

667
00:32:37,158 --> 00:32:39,318
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to face him for so many swear

668
00:32:39,358 --> 00:32:42,438
Speaker 3: that's like my first impression when I saw this first swing.

669
00:32:42,518 --> 00:32:44,238
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I said to Maddie. Maddie was the

670
00:32:44,238 --> 00:32:46,638
Speaker 3: pitching coach. We're gonna have to watch this guy for

671
00:32:46,878 --> 00:32:48,158
Speaker 3: you know, many years to come.

672
00:32:48,518 --> 00:32:50,838
Speaker 4: So that was it. I mean, then he went through some.

673
00:32:50,758 --> 00:32:54,278
Speaker 3: Struggles like a lot of young guys do, but with

674
00:32:54,358 --> 00:32:56,998
Speaker 3: all this power just I mean, I don't even know

675
00:32:57,038 --> 00:32:59,398
Speaker 3: if they measured how they measured bass speed with him

676
00:32:59,478 --> 00:32:59,638
Speaker 3: or not.

677
00:32:59,718 --> 00:33:02,558
Speaker 4: If they have, I'm sure they have, but it's really extraordinary.

678
00:33:02,598 --> 00:33:05,278
Speaker 3: And I think that's just like a golf swing, you know,

679
00:33:05,398 --> 00:33:08,678
Speaker 3: bat speed, hitting the ball harder farther, that they really

680
00:33:08,758 --> 00:33:10,758
Speaker 3: go hand in hand, and that the big thing is

681
00:33:10,798 --> 00:33:12,198
Speaker 3: to not miss it. And I miss your pitch and

682
00:33:12,198 --> 00:33:15,598
Speaker 3: that fell it off and again to demonstrate I mean

683
00:33:16,118 --> 00:33:19,278
Speaker 3: all the physical activity with his catching and still being

684
00:33:19,358 --> 00:33:23,278
Speaker 3: able to get up there strong enough, mentally alert enough

685
00:33:23,318 --> 00:33:25,678
Speaker 3: to not foul that pitch off and hit it hard

686
00:33:25,718 --> 00:33:28,558
Speaker 3: and keep it ferries, all those things going on, okay

687
00:33:28,558 --> 00:33:31,998
Speaker 3: at the halfway point, I mean, honestly, I don't know

688
00:33:32,038 --> 00:33:33,838
Speaker 3: that you could determine at the halfway point. I think

689
00:33:33,878 --> 00:33:35,718
Speaker 3: this has to play itself all the way out, and

690
00:33:36,878 --> 00:33:40,798
Speaker 3: if the maritor has reached the playoffs, I mean almost,

691
00:33:40,878 --> 00:33:42,918
Speaker 3: and if he continues his pace, it's hard to keep

692
00:33:42,958 --> 00:33:45,238
Speaker 3: it away from him. I mean, Judge has the innate

693
00:33:45,878 --> 00:33:48,238
Speaker 3: advantage of playing in New York city. There's no question

694
00:33:48,798 --> 00:33:51,518
Speaker 3: Seattle is one of the for all the intent purposes,

695
00:33:51,558 --> 00:33:54,158
Speaker 3: they could be playing in Alaska's that far west, So

696
00:33:54,438 --> 00:33:57,918
Speaker 3: I mean it's that's he's got that working against them.

697
00:33:57,958 --> 00:34:00,958
Speaker 3: Let's say this, if Judge was in Seattle and Rawley

698
00:34:01,038 --> 00:34:03,558
Speaker 3: was playing for the Yankees, there'd be no question who

699
00:34:03,558 --> 00:34:05,638
Speaker 3: would be the MVP. So there's there's that to be

700
00:34:05,678 --> 00:34:08,038
Speaker 3: considered too, So I would just play this one out

701
00:34:08,038 --> 00:34:10,638
Speaker 3: a little bit longer. Is what he's doing. Damn, that's

702
00:34:10,678 --> 00:34:12,598
Speaker 3: not easy to do. To play as often as he

703
00:34:12,598 --> 00:34:14,518
Speaker 3: does as well as he does be a forced on

704
00:34:14,638 --> 00:34:19,198
Speaker 3: defense like he is hit from both sides of the plate. Wow,

705
00:34:19,438 --> 00:34:20,958
Speaker 3: it's it's pretty non impressive.

706
00:34:21,198 --> 00:34:23,478
Speaker 1: Come on, Joe, You're not allowed in today's world to

707
00:34:23,598 --> 00:34:24,478
Speaker 1: let things play out.

708
00:34:24,558 --> 00:34:28,158
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to cal raly you decision now. Halfway

709
00:34:28,198 --> 00:34:29,158
Speaker 2: through the season.

710
00:34:29,758 --> 00:34:32,238
Speaker 4: Catcher, I'm going to Catcher.

711
00:34:32,358 --> 00:34:32,518
Speaker 3: Right.

712
00:34:32,718 --> 00:34:36,118
Speaker 1: If if the Mariners make the playoffs, it will be

713
00:34:36,118 --> 00:34:39,678
Speaker 1: because cal Rawly also has a great second half as well, Right, Sure,

714
00:34:39,758 --> 00:34:41,438
Speaker 1: I think if he falls apart in the second half,

715
00:34:41,438 --> 00:34:44,998
Speaker 1: they probably will will not make the playoffs. So he's

716
00:34:45,038 --> 00:34:47,478
Speaker 1: so important to that team in so many ways. He's

717
00:34:47,518 --> 00:34:49,878
Speaker 1: one of the most indispensable players I think to a

718
00:34:49,918 --> 00:34:53,838
Speaker 1: team in all of Major League Baseball. That being said,

719
00:34:54,598 --> 00:34:57,918
Speaker 1: I've got to go with Aaron Judge. I mean, it's

720
00:34:58,518 --> 00:35:02,118
Speaker 1: you look at the hitting numbers and it's not even close.

721
00:35:02,598 --> 00:35:05,598
Speaker 1: It really isn't. I mean, Judge leads in basically every

722
00:35:05,598 --> 00:35:08,798
Speaker 1: single category. All this slash category is betting average, on

723
00:35:08,838 --> 00:35:12,758
Speaker 1: base percentage, slugging. He right now has an OPS plus,

724
00:35:12,798 --> 00:35:16,358
Speaker 1: which takes into account, you know, the ballpark factors, league factors,

725
00:35:16,838 --> 00:35:19,318
Speaker 1: the highest of a right handed hitter in baseball history.

726
00:35:19,678 --> 00:35:22,878
Speaker 1: I mean he leads in total bases war I mean hits.

727
00:35:22,878 --> 00:35:25,478
Speaker 1: He leads a league in hits. I mean, it's just amazing.

728
00:35:25,518 --> 00:35:29,278
Speaker 1: He's hitting three fifty six and slugging seven twenty two.

729
00:35:30,398 --> 00:35:33,558
Speaker 1: Raley is hitting two seventy five and slugging six forty three.

730
00:35:34,918 --> 00:35:36,718
Speaker 2: I get the argument, and.

731
00:35:36,638 --> 00:35:40,238
Speaker 1: I want to say it's cal Raley because it's just extraordinary.

732
00:35:40,318 --> 00:35:42,318
Speaker 1: I mean, this is I'm not sure Johnny Bench had

733
00:35:42,318 --> 00:35:44,558
Speaker 1: a year like this, right, But I just can't get

734
00:35:44,638 --> 00:35:49,278
Speaker 1: there because the gap and production Judge and cal Raley

735
00:35:49,358 --> 00:35:51,878
Speaker 1: is it's just right now, it's too big of a

736
00:35:51,918 --> 00:35:52,438
Speaker 1: gap for me.

737
00:35:52,998 --> 00:35:54,958
Speaker 4: Catch your bias on my part. That's what I think

738
00:35:54,998 --> 00:35:57,878
Speaker 4: it is allowed that Yeah, I mean I listen, thank

739
00:35:57,918 --> 00:35:59,038
Speaker 4: you you described it. Man.

740
00:35:59,318 --> 00:36:01,158
Speaker 3: You saw these guys going in and out of the shower.

741
00:36:01,158 --> 00:36:02,998
Speaker 3: They're black and blue all over the place. I mean,

742
00:36:03,398 --> 00:36:06,278
Speaker 3: my from foul tips. Foul tips would create black and

743
00:36:06,318 --> 00:36:08,678
Speaker 3: blue all over your body. Like you get that foul

744
00:36:08,758 --> 00:36:12,078
Speaker 3: tip that hits your thighs sometimes or inner thigh got

745
00:36:12,118 --> 00:36:14,598
Speaker 3: into your cup, but just inner thigh. You walking around

746
00:36:14,598 --> 00:36:17,278
Speaker 3: your whole legs black and blue, and you're sore. You're

747
00:36:17,318 --> 00:36:20,918
Speaker 3: always sore because that stuff that doesn't go away. And

748
00:36:20,958 --> 00:36:23,798
Speaker 3: then it just the ball off the ribs. And then

749
00:36:23,838 --> 00:36:25,838
Speaker 3: the other foul tip that started to protect is when

750
00:36:25,838 --> 00:36:27,198
Speaker 3: it hit your throwing shoulder.

751
00:36:27,758 --> 00:36:31,478
Speaker 4: Oh my god, but you still gotta throw.

752
00:36:32,478 --> 00:36:35,118
Speaker 3: So the wear and tear with these guys put up with,

753
00:36:35,278 --> 00:36:38,238
Speaker 3: and especially the every day eddie like him, if he's

754
00:36:38,678 --> 00:36:42,238
Speaker 3: he's catching that often, man, and having that kind of impact,

755
00:36:42,278 --> 00:36:43,518
Speaker 3: that's dang.

756
00:36:43,598 --> 00:36:46,878
Speaker 4: That is so difficult. It is so so difficult.

757
00:36:47,318 --> 00:36:49,358
Speaker 3: Back in the day we had, you know, you talk

758
00:36:49,398 --> 00:36:51,838
Speaker 3: about Johnny Bench, you could talk about Jerry Grody who

759
00:36:51,878 --> 00:36:54,598
Speaker 3: was my absolute favorite. Uh, Randy Huntley who I got

760
00:36:54,638 --> 00:36:56,918
Speaker 3: to be friends with with the Cubbies. Randy caught hundred

761
00:36:56,918 --> 00:37:00,078
Speaker 3: sixty two games one year. I'm pretty sure this isn't

762
00:37:00,078 --> 00:37:02,238
Speaker 3: that right. One sixty two or one sixty one something.

763
00:37:02,598 --> 00:37:04,718
Speaker 3: He used to play catch double headers. The roach should

764
00:37:04,718 --> 00:37:06,758
Speaker 3: make up catch double headers in the summer in Chicago.

765
00:37:07,758 --> 00:37:10,598
Speaker 3: He said he'd be popping up all August and September.

766
00:37:10,678 --> 00:37:12,038
Speaker 3: All he could do is pop a ball up, but

767
00:37:12,038 --> 00:37:15,918
Speaker 3: he'll still be catching. It's it's just a really really

768
00:37:15,958 --> 00:37:19,878
Speaker 3: hard position to play, and to play and still be

769
00:37:19,918 --> 00:37:22,918
Speaker 3: able to produce actively off. Fancy you s got a

770
00:37:22,958 --> 00:37:26,078
Speaker 3: six something slugy percentage six thirty five forty three.

771
00:37:26,158 --> 00:37:26,758
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

772
00:37:27,038 --> 00:37:28,878
Speaker 1: Hey, here's the other thing, Joe, And I'm sure you

773
00:37:28,998 --> 00:37:32,198
Speaker 1: really appreciate this. And I noticed this Saturday, and I've

774
00:37:32,198 --> 00:37:35,478
Speaker 1: seen it other times as well. When cal Rawley goes

775
00:37:35,478 --> 00:37:39,038
Speaker 1: out to the mound, right, the pitching coach does not

776
00:37:39,238 --> 00:37:42,238
Speaker 1: instinctively run out of the dugout to join the discussion.

777
00:37:42,318 --> 00:37:43,798
Speaker 2: I see that happen so many times.

778
00:37:43,878 --> 00:37:45,518
Speaker 1: You know, right, you have a limited number of mound

779
00:37:45,558 --> 00:37:49,198
Speaker 1: visits five, So when a catcher walks out, maybe he's

780
00:37:49,238 --> 00:37:51,878
Speaker 1: just slowing the game down. Maybe it's something you talk

781
00:37:51,918 --> 00:37:54,158
Speaker 1: about the next hit or whatever. It is a lot

782
00:37:54,158 --> 00:37:55,958
Speaker 1: of times the pitching coach will say, well, we got

783
00:37:55,998 --> 00:37:57,958
Speaker 1: to go out there because we have a limited number

784
00:37:57,958 --> 00:38:02,478
Speaker 1: of visits. Cal Rawley, to me, makes more unescorted visits

785
00:38:02,478 --> 00:38:04,958
Speaker 1: to the mound than any catch in baseball. And I

786
00:38:05,118 --> 00:38:06,638
Speaker 1: love to see that, and so one of the things

787
00:38:06,678 --> 00:38:09,678
Speaker 1: I look for with young catchers as well, especially if

788
00:38:09,678 --> 00:38:12,118
Speaker 1: you're catching a veteran pitcher. I love to see a

789
00:38:12,158 --> 00:38:14,678
Speaker 1: young catcher say I'm gonna go out there and talk

790
00:38:14,718 --> 00:38:17,398
Speaker 1: to this guy. Don't wait for a signal from the dugout,

791
00:38:17,398 --> 00:38:20,558
Speaker 1: don't wait for the pitching coach to to come out

792
00:38:20,558 --> 00:38:22,558
Speaker 1: with you, or don't wait for the veteran pitcher to

793
00:38:22,598 --> 00:38:25,398
Speaker 1: call you out there. I love catchers who take control

794
00:38:25,438 --> 00:38:27,398
Speaker 1: of the game in that way, and cal Rawley does.

795
00:38:27,638 --> 00:38:31,038
Speaker 3: That's a lot of self confidence, that's a lot of

796
00:38:31,078 --> 00:38:34,678
Speaker 3: preparation on his part. That is really a great bedside manner.

797
00:38:35,718 --> 00:38:37,478
Speaker 3: I don't know him, but I would imagine, have you

798
00:38:37,518 --> 00:38:39,598
Speaker 3: spoken with him, imagine his personality is kind of like,

799
00:38:39,918 --> 00:38:42,158
Speaker 3: is he ingratiating Gregary's kind of a guy.

800
00:38:42,718 --> 00:38:45,238
Speaker 1: He is. He's a very endearing kind of guy. I mean,

801
00:38:45,398 --> 00:38:46,638
Speaker 1: total total gamer.

802
00:38:46,758 --> 00:38:49,638
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, he's an endearing player.

803
00:38:49,638 --> 00:38:52,478
Speaker 1: I would say that anybody who's nicknamed the big Dumper

804
00:38:52,518 --> 00:38:54,998
Speaker 1: and embraces It tells you what kind of guy.

805
00:38:55,118 --> 00:38:57,078
Speaker 4: I love that man. That is so good. There's so

806
00:38:57,238 --> 00:38:59,638
Speaker 4: so many things to like about him. And then the pictures,

807
00:38:59,678 --> 00:39:01,998
Speaker 4: I mean the pictures, know, the pictures.

808
00:39:01,678 --> 00:39:05,038
Speaker 3: Know, I mean if these pitch if he wasn't all

809
00:39:05,078 --> 00:39:08,118
Speaker 3: of that, At some point some of these more veteran

810
00:39:08,158 --> 00:39:10,358
Speaker 3: guys on that team would say to the manager or

811
00:39:10,398 --> 00:39:12,918
Speaker 3: the pitch goes, listen, man, next time he comes walking up,

812
00:39:12,918 --> 00:39:15,118
Speaker 3: please come out with him, because I don't want to

813
00:39:15,158 --> 00:39:18,158
Speaker 3: hear what he has to say. It is he's he's vacuous.

814
00:39:18,158 --> 00:39:21,198
Speaker 3: He has nothing to say to me, so I think

815
00:39:21,238 --> 00:39:22,478
Speaker 3: they would have heard that by now.

816
00:39:22,518 --> 00:39:24,678
Speaker 4: I love it. I love that he's able to do

817
00:39:24,718 --> 00:39:24,998
Speaker 4: all that.

818
00:39:25,758 --> 00:39:29,678
Speaker 3: It indicates if the leadership component of what he does

819
00:39:29,718 --> 00:39:31,878
Speaker 3: on that team. And again we're talking about this and

820
00:39:31,958 --> 00:39:33,798
Speaker 3: I know we got the captain in New York. They

821
00:39:33,838 --> 00:39:35,798
Speaker 3: probably could throw a sea on Rawley if they wanted to.

822
00:39:36,478 --> 00:39:40,118
Speaker 3: For cal right, So he's he's all of that. And

823
00:39:40,798 --> 00:39:43,078
Speaker 3: I saw it as a young catcher. I just watched

824
00:39:43,078 --> 00:39:46,318
Speaker 3: the highlights now, but that is really impressive stuff.

825
00:39:46,598 --> 00:39:48,958
Speaker 2: And one quick note on Aaron Judge.

826
00:39:49,278 --> 00:39:52,478
Speaker 1: You know he's he had a tough beginning to this month, right,

827
00:39:53,198 --> 00:39:55,398
Speaker 1: he gets sometimes in that mode where he's chasing that

828
00:39:55,438 --> 00:39:56,278
Speaker 1: down on a way pitch.

829
00:39:56,878 --> 00:39:57,998
Speaker 2: He actually struck.

830
00:39:57,678 --> 00:40:00,398
Speaker 1: Out more in June, Joe than any month since his

831
00:40:00,518 --> 00:40:04,318
Speaker 1: rookie season. But what I noticed in the last two weeks,

832
00:40:04,318 --> 00:40:06,518
Speaker 1: and it started with that Angel series in New York,

833
00:40:07,318 --> 00:40:09,958
Speaker 1: and he does this from time to time, he closed

834
00:40:10,038 --> 00:40:12,758
Speaker 1: up his stance. You know, he used to hit with

835
00:40:12,918 --> 00:40:15,878
Speaker 1: for the most part, with an open stance, and I

836
00:40:15,878 --> 00:40:19,038
Speaker 1: think when he has trouble, especially at swing decisions, generally,

837
00:40:19,078 --> 00:40:21,758
Speaker 1: it is because he's chasing pitches he shouldn't be. He

838
00:40:21,878 --> 00:40:24,198
Speaker 1: just closed up his stands as a more neutral setup

839
00:40:24,238 --> 00:40:26,278
Speaker 1: with his feet, and he's got off. In the last

840
00:40:26,318 --> 00:40:30,318
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, he's totally back. What's interesting to me too, Joe,

841
00:40:30,558 --> 00:40:33,158
Speaker 1: is I can't believe this. He's seeing more pitches in

842
00:40:33,198 --> 00:40:36,158
Speaker 1: the strike zone than ever before in his career. I

843
00:40:36,198 --> 00:40:40,438
Speaker 1: don't get it. And by the way, he's also more aggressive.

844
00:40:40,478 --> 00:40:43,358
Speaker 1: He's swinging at more pitches in the zone than ever before.

845
00:40:43,398 --> 00:40:46,198
Speaker 1: He's swinging at more first pitches than ever before. But

846
00:40:46,238 --> 00:40:48,918
Speaker 1: he's getting more pitches in the zone than ever before.

847
00:40:49,038 --> 00:40:51,678
Speaker 1: This is a guy who's slugging seven twenty two and

848
00:40:51,798 --> 00:40:55,198
Speaker 1: hitting three point fifty six. It's counterintuitive to me. I

849
00:40:55,238 --> 00:40:56,878
Speaker 1: don't know how to explain it.

850
00:40:56,878 --> 00:40:59,038
Speaker 3: It almost sounds like there's an edict from MLB that

851
00:40:59,038 --> 00:41:02,518
Speaker 3: they have to pitch to him that's cretat more interest.

852
00:41:02,238 --> 00:41:02,638
Speaker 4: In the game.

853
00:41:02,678 --> 00:41:05,158
Speaker 3: I mean, I with you, man, I don't know. Again,

854
00:41:05,238 --> 00:41:07,998
Speaker 3: it's and it goes back to analytics too. Analytical world

855
00:41:08,038 --> 00:41:10,078
Speaker 3: does not like intentional walks. They don't want you putting

856
00:41:10,078 --> 00:41:11,958
Speaker 3: another guy on base because they see it as a

857
00:41:11,998 --> 00:41:14,958
Speaker 3: negative telling you it's just the truth I had. I

858
00:41:14,998 --> 00:41:17,438
Speaker 3: had a fight with that a little bit. I mean,

859
00:41:17,438 --> 00:41:19,358
Speaker 3: it goes back to the day with Bryce Harper. Nobody

860
00:41:19,358 --> 00:41:23,158
Speaker 3: bothered me that time we walked him on seven or

861
00:41:23,198 --> 00:41:25,278
Speaker 3: eight whatever times. It was in a four game series

862
00:41:25,278 --> 00:41:27,798
Speaker 3: in Chicago and came out really well for us, and

863
00:41:27,798 --> 00:41:30,958
Speaker 3: it hurt him for a bit. But nobody was trying

864
00:41:30,958 --> 00:41:32,278
Speaker 3: to tell me yes or no.

865
00:41:32,478 --> 00:41:33,198
Speaker 4: At that point.

866
00:41:33,478 --> 00:41:36,118
Speaker 3: Then the analytical world start getting involved, and I started

867
00:41:36,438 --> 00:41:40,918
Speaker 3: meeting with some displeasures because no, you can't.

868
00:41:41,078 --> 00:41:41,278
Speaker 4: Don't.

869
00:41:41,318 --> 00:41:44,158
Speaker 3: We don't do that because it's just putting another runner

870
00:41:44,198 --> 00:41:46,878
Speaker 3: on base, another potential run for the other team. I said,

871
00:41:46,878 --> 00:41:49,558
Speaker 3: are you kidding me? Are you absolutely kidding me? But

872
00:41:49,598 --> 00:41:53,038
Speaker 3: I would I would really love to know, uh, these

873
00:41:53,078 --> 00:41:57,598
Speaker 3: other teams and how they feel about that, because that's

874
00:41:57,638 --> 00:42:00,278
Speaker 3: definitely part of the It was part of the conversation

875
00:42:01,798 --> 00:42:03,878
Speaker 3: up to the you know, when I stopped managing twenty

876
00:42:03,918 --> 00:42:06,278
Speaker 3: twenty two whatever, that was part of the conversation.

877
00:42:06,558 --> 00:42:10,278
Speaker 1: Well, you'll be probably happy to hear that Ray Montgomery,

878
00:42:10,278 --> 00:42:13,998
Speaker 1: who's now running the Angels with Ron Washington out by

879
00:42:13,998 --> 00:42:17,318
Speaker 1: the way, we wish washed nothing with the best and

880
00:42:17,398 --> 00:42:19,958
Speaker 1: hopefully he takes care of the medical issues that are

881
00:42:19,998 --> 00:42:23,038
Speaker 1: keeping him out of the dugout. Ray Montgomery walked James

882
00:42:23,078 --> 00:42:25,038
Speaker 1: Wood four times intentionally.

883
00:42:25,198 --> 00:42:26,078
Speaker 2: Okay, it's the.

884
00:42:26,118 --> 00:42:30,198
Speaker 1: First time since Barry Bonds anybody who's been walked four

885
00:42:30,238 --> 00:42:34,958
Speaker 1: times intentionally in one game. Actually since nineteen fifty five,

886
00:42:34,998 --> 00:42:40,438
Speaker 1: since they started tracking intentional walks. It's only Bonds, Andre Dawson,

887
00:42:40,518 --> 00:42:44,678
Speaker 1: Many Ramirez, Gary Templeton, Roger Marris. Now James Wood. I

888
00:42:44,718 --> 00:42:47,878
Speaker 1: mean he's twenty two years old, Joe. He's getting what

889
00:42:47,918 --> 00:42:51,678
Speaker 1: you did to Bryce Harper. He's getting that treatment in

890
00:42:51,718 --> 00:42:53,518
Speaker 1: a very similar way. If you get a right headed

891
00:42:53,558 --> 00:42:56,078
Speaker 1: hitter behind him, why pitch to this guy.

892
00:42:56,518 --> 00:42:58,678
Speaker 4: I'm with you, man, I didn't realize that. I haven't.

893
00:42:59,198 --> 00:43:01,598
Speaker 3: I watched the videos in the morning of the highlights

894
00:43:01,598 --> 00:43:02,998
Speaker 3: of the Angels a lot, but I didn't know that

895
00:43:03,038 --> 00:43:04,358
Speaker 3: about the intentional walks.

896
00:43:04,798 --> 00:43:05,678
Speaker 4: That's wrong with him. Man.

897
00:43:05,918 --> 00:43:08,118
Speaker 3: You got to pick your poison, and you can't be

898
00:43:08,198 --> 00:43:09,478
Speaker 3: worried about all this other stuff.

899
00:43:09,478 --> 00:43:09,958
Speaker 4: I've told you.

900
00:43:09,918 --> 00:43:14,438
Speaker 3: I walk Cabrera with the Detroit three consecutive nights with

901
00:43:14,558 --> 00:43:17,118
Speaker 3: runners on first and second and third base open three

902
00:43:17,118 --> 00:43:20,198
Speaker 3: consecutive nights. So it wasn't first base open, two outs,

903
00:43:20,238 --> 00:43:23,598
Speaker 3: first and second, seventh inning, three consecutive. It's just the

904
00:43:23,638 --> 00:43:26,918
Speaker 3: same thing came up Brandon Bosch on deck, and that time,

905
00:43:27,518 --> 00:43:29,878
Speaker 3: when the rules were as they should be, you could

906
00:43:29,958 --> 00:43:31,998
Speaker 3: you could just spot a lefty on a lefty. I

907
00:43:32,038 --> 00:43:34,838
Speaker 3: was able to bring Randy chawate. Randy Chowed in to

908
00:43:34,958 --> 00:43:37,638
Speaker 3: face Bosh three consecutive nights, three.

909
00:43:37,558 --> 00:43:38,958
Speaker 4: Knights in row. We get him out, get out of

910
00:43:38,998 --> 00:43:39,318
Speaker 4: the inning.

911
00:43:39,678 --> 00:43:42,958
Speaker 3: So my thought was always, if there's a base open,

912
00:43:42,958 --> 00:43:44,958
Speaker 3: why does it have to be first base if you

913
00:43:44,958 --> 00:43:47,598
Speaker 3: really don't want to pitch to somebody. And I still

914
00:43:47,638 --> 00:43:49,318
Speaker 3: stand by that, if you want to put first and

915
00:43:49,638 --> 00:43:51,958
Speaker 3: first and second and make it the baseload what's the

916
00:43:51,998 --> 00:43:54,198
Speaker 3: difference between that. I know, Okay, if they get a single,

917
00:43:54,198 --> 00:43:56,118
Speaker 3: it's two runs as opposal. I get that, but it's

918
00:43:56,158 --> 00:43:59,118
Speaker 3: worth taking that chance. So anyway, good for Ray to

919
00:43:59,158 --> 00:44:02,278
Speaker 3: do that. There's nothing wrong with that. You've got to

920
00:44:02,278 --> 00:44:06,478
Speaker 3: read the tea leaves in advance. Outcome bias stinks. Everybody

921
00:44:06,758 --> 00:44:09,158
Speaker 3: becomes smart after the thing occurs, so you got to

922
00:44:09,158 --> 00:44:11,118
Speaker 3: go with your best guests before the action occurs.

923
00:44:11,318 --> 00:44:12,318
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Joe.

924
00:44:12,918 --> 00:44:15,318
Speaker 1: I really like that thinking, because when you think about it,

925
00:44:15,358 --> 00:44:17,558
Speaker 1: if there's a wild pitcher, a pass ball and the

926
00:44:17,598 --> 00:44:20,358
Speaker 1: runners move up, then the manager walks the guy. He

927
00:44:20,478 --> 00:44:24,518
Speaker 1: doesn't do it when it's first and second, right, So yeah, right.

928
00:44:24,558 --> 00:44:26,358
Speaker 3: I don't want to pitch him. Miguel Cabra, I don't

929
00:44:26,358 --> 00:44:28,678
Speaker 3: want to pitch them. He's God, he's an RBI. He

930
00:44:28,758 --> 00:44:31,038
Speaker 3: looks like an RBI. Is like like Paul Moultar looked

931
00:44:31,078 --> 00:44:32,958
Speaker 3: like a run walking up to the plate. That's what

932
00:44:33,038 --> 00:44:36,238
Speaker 3: Maks said about Paul Moltar back in the day. And

933
00:44:36,438 --> 00:44:39,038
Speaker 3: Cabrera looks like an RBI walking up to the plate.

934
00:44:39,118 --> 00:44:40,998
Speaker 3: The guy just knew how to hit with runners in

935
00:44:41,038 --> 00:44:41,678
Speaker 3: scoring position.

936
00:44:41,878 --> 00:44:44,638
Speaker 1: It's a great point. And James wood is scary good

937
00:44:44,758 --> 00:44:48,998
Speaker 1: right now. I mean he's got easy opo power. Only

938
00:44:49,038 --> 00:44:52,438
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge as the highest slugging percentage. When James Wood

939
00:44:52,518 --> 00:44:55,318
Speaker 1: hits the ball to the opposite field, he bats five

940
00:44:55,518 --> 00:44:58,118
Speaker 1: hundred and slugs nine to thirty eight.

941
00:44:58,438 --> 00:44:58,678
Speaker 4: Wow.

942
00:44:59,878 --> 00:45:02,558
Speaker 1: D Once this dude starts to pull the ball even

943
00:45:02,598 --> 00:45:05,038
Speaker 1: a little bit, his power are even going to be

944
00:45:05,118 --> 00:45:07,758
Speaker 1: sicker than they are now. Not saying he should change

945
00:45:07,798 --> 00:45:10,758
Speaker 1: because it's playing right now, but he's got a little

946
00:45:10,798 --> 00:45:13,638
Speaker 1: bit of that Juan Soto, you remember when he got

947
00:45:13,718 --> 00:45:16,798
Speaker 1: to the big leagues that left center field easy power.

948
00:45:16,838 --> 00:45:17,478
Speaker 2: He's got that.

949
00:45:17,798 --> 00:45:19,598
Speaker 3: For me, I had a bunch of really when I

950
00:45:19,598 --> 00:45:22,358
Speaker 3: was a hitting instructor with the Angels, I had Jimmy Edmonds,

951
00:45:22,438 --> 00:45:25,478
Speaker 3: Garrett Anderson, Timmy Salmon, a guy by name of Bobby

952
00:45:25,558 --> 00:45:26,838
Speaker 3: Rose in the plane in Japan.

953
00:45:27,118 --> 00:45:28,278
Speaker 4: I called him Large Robert.

954
00:45:28,398 --> 00:45:30,238
Speaker 3: Bobby Rose was one of the best hitters I ever

955
00:45:30,278 --> 00:45:33,638
Speaker 3: had coming up at that time. All these guys, the

956
00:45:33,678 --> 00:45:36,558
Speaker 3: one common quality that they had coming up through the

957
00:45:36,558 --> 00:45:40,438
Speaker 3: minor leagues was opo gap. I love when a young

958
00:45:40,518 --> 00:45:43,598
Speaker 3: hitter comes equipped with the opposite field gap because to me,

959
00:45:43,678 --> 00:45:46,038
Speaker 3: like you just to suggest it to I think it's

960
00:45:46,038 --> 00:45:47,958
Speaker 3: a lot easier to teach somebody to pull the ball

961
00:45:48,198 --> 00:45:49,918
Speaker 3: than it is to teach them how to stay inside

962
00:45:49,958 --> 00:45:51,838
Speaker 3: the ball and driver to the opposite field like they

963
00:45:51,878 --> 00:45:55,758
Speaker 3: did so Garrett Anderson. Probably Jimmy, though Jimmy right to

964
00:45:55,798 --> 00:45:57,998
Speaker 3: the very end, had some great power. The other way,

965
00:45:58,038 --> 00:46:00,518
Speaker 3: Timmy coming up by Scott to Timmy at Grand Canyon

966
00:46:00,918 --> 00:46:04,198
Speaker 3: College at that time, not university, great opo power, our

967
00:46:04,598 --> 00:46:08,078
Speaker 3: opo gap, always exciting. And if I you know, in

968
00:46:08,078 --> 00:46:10,278
Speaker 3: a scouting world when I went out, if I saw

969
00:46:10,358 --> 00:46:12,838
Speaker 3: young you know, just describing for them right there with

970
00:46:12,998 --> 00:46:16,798
Speaker 3: opposite field line, drive, gap power, man, they were exciting.

971
00:46:16,958 --> 00:46:18,038
Speaker 2: Great stuff, Joe.

972
00:46:18,158 --> 00:46:20,438
Speaker 1: And now we've reached the point of this podcast where

973
00:46:20,478 --> 00:46:22,638
Speaker 1: you take us home with the words of wisdom.

974
00:46:22,678 --> 00:46:23,838
Speaker 2: What do you got for us today?

975
00:46:24,038 --> 00:46:28,158
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's I think there's some apropost stuff

976
00:46:28,598 --> 00:46:32,318
Speaker 3: based on what we have discussed today regarding you know,

977
00:46:32,358 --> 00:46:37,278
Speaker 3: physical versus mental mechanics, or the band, the struggle, you know,

978
00:46:37,358 --> 00:46:41,118
Speaker 3: the worrying about the narrative, all those kinds of things.

979
00:46:41,758 --> 00:46:43,878
Speaker 3: So this was before I don't know why, but I

980
00:46:43,918 --> 00:46:47,398
Speaker 3: did it. But if you live for people's acceptance, you

981
00:46:47,438 --> 00:46:49,478
Speaker 3: will die from their rejection.

982
00:46:49,958 --> 00:46:52,318
Speaker 2: That is really good who's that from? By the way,

983
00:46:52,358 --> 00:46:53,518
Speaker 2: where'd you get that from?

984
00:46:54,278 --> 00:46:57,718
Speaker 4: Loa cree l e c r a ela craye one word.

985
00:46:57,758 --> 00:47:00,998
Speaker 3: It's like Aristotle. I don't know, I gotta I gotta

986
00:47:01,078 --> 00:47:03,238
Speaker 3: look in. Yeah, if you live for if you live

987
00:47:03,238 --> 00:47:05,358
Speaker 3: for people's accepits depens you will die from their rejection.

988
00:47:05,478 --> 00:47:07,958
Speaker 3: And that's what we do in this world today. Everything's

989
00:47:07,958 --> 00:47:10,078
Speaker 3: about likes and clicks and all that kind of crap,

990
00:47:10,718 --> 00:47:17,318
Speaker 3: and that really prevents you from individual thinking, putting your

991
00:47:17,318 --> 00:47:22,798
Speaker 3: thoughts out into the world, taking off chances, fortune favors

992
00:47:22,838 --> 00:47:25,598
Speaker 3: the ball, taking ball, taking your risks, to be playing

993
00:47:25,638 --> 00:47:27,958
Speaker 3: it safe all the time, because if you play it safe,

994
00:47:27,958 --> 00:47:29,638
Speaker 3: you're not going to get lamb based it. You're not

995
00:47:29,678 --> 00:47:32,758
Speaker 3: going to get highly criticized. But if you if you

996
00:47:33,158 --> 00:47:35,238
Speaker 3: if you play it safe, if you don't don't play

997
00:47:35,238 --> 00:47:38,878
Speaker 3: it safe, you open yourself up to so many different

998
00:47:39,278 --> 00:47:43,878
Speaker 3: methods today of being criticized or you know, put down whatever.

999
00:47:43,998 --> 00:47:46,398
Speaker 3: So my goddess is that that's a manager's life right there.

1000
00:47:46,798 --> 00:47:48,918
Speaker 3: So if you live for people's acceptance, you will die

1001
00:47:48,958 --> 00:47:51,238
Speaker 3: from their rejection because you're not doing what you think

1002
00:47:51,638 --> 00:47:53,638
Speaker 3: is the right thing to do in the moment. It's

1003
00:47:53,678 --> 00:47:56,878
Speaker 3: so important to do that if you going during the

1004
00:47:56,918 --> 00:47:59,198
Speaker 3: course of a major league game, which I mean, I'm

1005
00:47:59,238 --> 00:48:01,078
Speaker 3: just putting it out there like this, but not that

1006
00:48:01,118 --> 00:48:03,638
Speaker 3: I did it. But if you're worried about the having

1007
00:48:03,638 --> 00:48:05,638
Speaker 3: to dance to the press or whomever after the game,

1008
00:48:05,678 --> 00:48:09,158
Speaker 3: because I'm going to go with the more conventional conservative

1009
00:48:09,398 --> 00:48:11,278
Speaker 3: thing to do it, because it's if it does work,

1010
00:48:11,278 --> 00:48:15,158
Speaker 3: it's going to be even more easily explained as opposed.

1011
00:48:14,878 --> 00:48:16,638
Speaker 4: To doing you really think is the right thing to do.

1012
00:48:17,278 --> 00:48:20,678
Speaker 3: Walking Migul Carrera with runners on first and second, with

1013
00:48:20,718 --> 00:48:23,038
Speaker 3: Randy Chow in the bullpen and Brandon Bosh on the deck,

1014
00:48:23,198 --> 00:48:24,918
Speaker 3: and you know, Jimmy Leland has showed he's not going

1015
00:48:24,918 --> 00:48:26,678
Speaker 3: to pinch it for him, which was the right thing

1016
00:48:26,718 --> 00:48:28,118
Speaker 3: to do. And if I didn't do that and Kubera

1017
00:48:28,158 --> 00:48:30,518
Speaker 3: puts the ball in the gap, then I can't sleep

1018
00:48:30,558 --> 00:48:30,918
Speaker 3: that night.

1019
00:48:31,198 --> 00:48:33,798
Speaker 1: That is so good, Joe, I mean really, I mean again,

1020
00:48:33,838 --> 00:48:36,598
Speaker 1: we're talking about the purity of intentions right right, and

1021
00:48:36,678 --> 00:48:37,838
Speaker 1: you're not playing to the echo.

1022
00:48:37,878 --> 00:48:40,918
Speaker 2: You're doing it because of your own convictions.

1023
00:48:40,278 --> 00:48:43,678
Speaker 1: Your own experience, your own moral compass, whatever decisions you're making,

1024
00:48:43,718 --> 00:48:46,758
Speaker 1: you're making not because of how you think it might

1025
00:48:46,758 --> 00:48:48,398
Speaker 1: play out, or what you might have to answer to.

1026
00:48:48,558 --> 00:48:50,398
Speaker 2: I just I love the thought of that.

1027
00:48:50,758 --> 00:48:52,838
Speaker 1: You hit a nerve with me because I get tired

1028
00:48:52,878 --> 00:48:56,118
Speaker 1: of all everybody these days wants to know for you

1029
00:48:56,198 --> 00:48:58,598
Speaker 1: to rate it, whether it's Netflix, you like it or

1030
00:48:58,678 --> 00:49:01,838
Speaker 1: hate it. I'd like button. Come on, I mean, I'm

1031
00:49:01,878 --> 00:49:05,278
Speaker 1: getting you go look to it. Doctor's visit, how is

1032
00:49:05,318 --> 00:49:10,278
Speaker 1: your visit? Everybody wants this feedback and it's all obviously.

1033
00:49:09,918 --> 00:49:11,198
Speaker 2: It's not nuanced at all.

1034
00:49:11,638 --> 00:49:13,998
Speaker 1: You know, if something's really wrong, I'll let you know

1035
00:49:14,038 --> 00:49:15,758
Speaker 1: about it. If you can do better, I'll let you

1036
00:49:15,838 --> 00:49:19,398
Speaker 1: know about it. But this yearning, and I get it.

1037
00:49:19,398 --> 00:49:22,238
Speaker 1: It's it's a again, it's an algorithm thing they need

1038
00:49:22,238 --> 00:49:24,758
Speaker 1: to feedback and people are graded that way whatever.

1039
00:49:24,998 --> 00:49:27,998
Speaker 2: But I hate dumbing it down to did you like

1040
00:49:28,038 --> 00:49:28,838
Speaker 2: it or not like it?

1041
00:49:28,878 --> 00:49:31,398
Speaker 3: I don't answer it. I never answered those questions. I oh,

1042
00:49:31,678 --> 00:49:34,038
Speaker 3: it's so dumb. It's so dumb. If you don't hear

1043
00:49:34,118 --> 00:49:35,878
Speaker 3: back from me, probably I liked it.

1044
00:49:35,958 --> 00:49:38,398
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Joe. I like that. That's a great that's

1045
00:49:38,398 --> 00:49:40,038
Speaker 2: one of your better thoughts of the day. Now, I'm

1046
00:49:40,038 --> 00:49:42,118
Speaker 2: gonna have to look up this one name dude who

1047
00:49:42,158 --> 00:49:43,078
Speaker 2: actually said it.

1048
00:49:43,278 --> 00:49:46,918
Speaker 4: Yes, L E. C R LA craye.

1049
00:49:46,958 --> 00:49:50,478
Speaker 3: It's like, uh, it's not how McCray who was a

1050
00:49:50,598 --> 00:49:52,678
Speaker 3: very great philosopher in baseball history.

1051
00:49:52,718 --> 00:49:54,798
Speaker 4: Let me get to this one more time. One, two, three, three,

1052
00:49:54,998 --> 00:49:57,518
Speaker 4: Okay it is L E. C R A E.

1053
00:49:57,718 --> 00:50:00,958
Speaker 1: Look cray Okay, must have been a catcher somewhere, Pataby.

1054
00:50:01,718 --> 00:50:03,838
Speaker 4: I think he's the guy that actually mentored cal Rawl.

1055
00:50:04,078 --> 00:50:06,518
Speaker 2: I think he is smart man or she was.

1056
00:50:06,598 --> 00:50:07,638
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what the crazy.

1057
00:50:07,638 --> 00:50:09,678
Speaker 1: There you go, great stuff, Joe. We'll see you next

1058
00:50:09,678 --> 00:50:19,038
Speaker 1: time on the Book of Joe, See your brother. The

1059
00:50:19,078 --> 00:50:22,478
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1060
00:50:22,598 --> 00:50:27,398
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