WEBVTT - Edwin Howard Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly

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<v Speaker 1>Frye and I'm Tracy V.

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm a little bit on an inventor kick again

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment, So yah, get ready for more in

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<v Speaker 1>the coming weeks. Today's inventor is somebody I stumbled across

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<v Speaker 1>and I kind of marveled at having never heard of

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<v Speaker 1>him because he worked in a field that I have

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<v Speaker 1>studied many of the other people. Little did I know

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<v Speaker 1>that I was walking into a hotbed of science, legal drama.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I got excited, But then I got bummed

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<v Speaker 1>because I also was way too deep into this one

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<v Speaker 1>to switch gears when I discovered the very very bummer

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<v Speaker 1>part of this story. So we are going to give

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<v Speaker 1>a trigger warning as we approach that very bummer part.

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<v Speaker 1>And as usual, it's not something we're going to linger

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<v Speaker 1>on or spend a lot of time on. But there

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<v Speaker 1>is a death by suicide in this episode. So Edwin

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<v Speaker 1>Howard Armstrong is not exactly a well known inventor, but

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<v Speaker 1>his work in radio literally changed communications around the globe.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we could also say we might not have

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<v Speaker 1>our jobs if he didn't do what he did, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because we work for a company that does a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of radio. His most famous invention, which was FM radio,

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<v Speaker 1>became a source of constant frustration for him though after

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<v Speaker 1>he had developed it. So we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>various inventions. We will give some basic layman's explanations, but

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of breaking them down in terms of how

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<v Speaker 1>they work at the nitty gritty level. If you want that,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to go somewhere else for it. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>And as we'll see in the course of the story,

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<v Speaker 1>people not understanding the way things work scientifically, and particularly

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<v Speaker 1>electrical engineering and radio, caused a lot of problems for

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong in his life. Edwin Howard Armstrong was born to

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<v Speaker 1>Number eighteenth eighteen ninety in New York City in the

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<v Speaker 1>Chelsea neighborhood. His father, John, worked in publishing for Oxford

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<v Speaker 1>University Press, and his mother, Emily, had been a school

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<v Speaker 1>teacher until she married John. Like a lot of kids

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<v Speaker 1>born in the late nineteenth century, Edwin was fascinated by

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<v Speaker 1>all the modern technology around him, particularly as a child

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<v Speaker 1>growing up in Manhattan, where a lot of the latest

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<v Speaker 1>technology quickly found a lot of use He loved trains

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<v Speaker 1>and just about anything mechanical. His family moved to Yonkers,

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<v Speaker 1>New York when he was fourteen. He was always really

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<v Speaker 1>curious about science and scientists, but it was the news

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<v Speaker 1>of the first wireless message sent across the Atlantic by

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<v Speaker 1>Italian physicist Gulielmo Marconi that really got Armstrong excited and

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<v Speaker 1>set him down what would be his path in life.

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<v Speaker 1>Edwin Armstrong was so inspired by Marconi's invention that he

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<v Speaker 1>decided that he too, wanted to invent the things. Edwin

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<v Speaker 1>was a shy kid. Also, I should point out that

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<v Speaker 1>I have seen some biographies that referred to him as Howard,

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<v Speaker 1>which was his middle name. I don't know which he

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<v Speaker 1>went by. We're going by Edwin just because that is

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<v Speaker 1>his first name. We may be incorrect in that, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was either way a shy kid, and he readily

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<v Speaker 1>became absorbed in electrical and radio projects that he could

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<v Speaker 1>work on on his own. He apparently turned the family

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<v Speaker 1>attic into like his own lab, which he used for

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<v Speaker 1>years and years. Because unlike a lot of kids, he

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<v Speaker 1>did not lose interest in these efforts, and he did

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<v Speaker 1>not move on to other things. He retained his passion

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<v Speaker 1>for tinkering and discovery his whole life. He did do

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<v Speaker 1>other things as a teenager, like he played tennis, but

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<v Speaker 1>the drive to invent that was ever present. He built

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<v Speaker 1>crystal sets so basic radio receivers up in that attic

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<v Speaker 1>that could only pick up Morse code. There was really

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<v Speaker 1>nothing else for them to capture, and the weak's signal

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<v Speaker 1>that he was able to get on those crystal sets

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<v Speaker 1>made him intent that he should figure out how to

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<v Speaker 1>boost it.

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<v Speaker 2>After finishing his studies at Yonkers High School in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>oh nine, Armstrong enrolled at Columbia University in the Engineering School.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of the reason he went to Columbia was that

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<v Speaker 2>it was close to home, he could commute to school,

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<v Speaker 2>and he wouldn't have to break down any of his

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<v Speaker 2>ongoing experiments and projects that were underway in the family's attic.

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<v Speaker 2>Radio in particular, had become a big focus of Edwin's

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<v Speaker 2>curiosity and work. He noted later of choosing to concentrate

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<v Speaker 2>his energies in this field. Quote somehow, for reasons I

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<v Speaker 2>cannot recollect, the decision favored wireless. Now, of course, radio

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen oh nine was not really a thing in

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<v Speaker 2>the sense that we would consider it Now, this is

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<v Speaker 2>when telegraphy and Morse code were still kind of at

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<v Speaker 2>the forefront. No one was sending sound across airwaves, but

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<v Speaker 2>they were very close. The first radio broadcast happened on

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<v Speaker 2>January thirteenth, nineteen ten, when an inv named Lee DeForest

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<v Speaker 2>broadcast a week signal from the New York Metropolitan Opera

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<v Speaker 2>house of Enrico Caruso singing. So not only was radio

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<v Speaker 2>an entirely new concept for Armstrong to jump into, but

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<v Speaker 2>some of its most exciting developments were happening in the

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<v Speaker 2>city where he was working on his own projects and

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<v Speaker 2>going to school. DeForest had invented a device called an

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<v Speaker 2>audion in nineteen oh six, and he patented that in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen oh seven. The audion was a radio tube DeForest

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<v Speaker 2>had built on work that had been in process for

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<v Speaker 2>a while to get this tube to work. It consisted

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<v Speaker 2>of a cathode filament, an anodeplate, and a wire that

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<v Speaker 2>sat between the two. If you look at a photograph

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<v Speaker 2>of one of the first audions, you'll see what looks

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<v Speaker 2>like a light bulb with wires coming out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>The current between the filament and the anodeplate could be

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<v Speaker 2>modulated using that wire. Called a grid and that could

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<v Speaker 2>amplify sound. And while it worked, it did not work great. Additionally,

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<v Speaker 2>DeForest is sometimes described as having arrived at his invention

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<v Speaker 2>strictly through experimentation. He didn't really have a firm enough

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<v Speaker 2>grasp on the electrical science at play to explain why

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<v Speaker 2>this worked.

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<v Speaker 1>This is going to come up again later. But here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. Edwin Armstrong did understand the science, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least he was determined that he was going to figure

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<v Speaker 1>it out. This time in Armstrong's life was written about

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<v Speaker 1>by J. H. Moorcroft in nineteen twenty two in an

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<v Speaker 1>article titled What Everyone Should Know about Radio History. The

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<v Speaker 1>section on Edwin includes the following quote. He was not

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<v Speaker 1>an especially brilliant student. In fact, in many of his

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<v Speaker 1>courses he did rather poorly. The writer knows because Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>was one of his students. The characteristics of alternating current

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<v Speaker 1>machinery in general did not prove very enticing to the

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<v Speaker 1>young student, not because he was lazy or indifferent, but

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<v Speaker 1>because he had a hobby and a vision. He was

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<v Speaker 1>experimenting at his home with wireless apparatus and trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find out how the three electrode audion of DeForest worked.

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<v Speaker 1>If DeForest confessed in public that the action was too

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<v Speaker 1>mysterious for him to explain, then Armstrong would explain it

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<v Speaker 1>for him, which he promised to do and did very shortly.

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<v Speaker 1>That very shortly was no joke. Edwin had it all

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<v Speaker 1>figured out when he was still a college student. He

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<v Speaker 1>was able to invent a circuit that created much more

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<v Speaker 1>robust amplification. Armstrong had figured out during school break that

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<v Speaker 1>he could run a signal through the audion and then

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<v Speaker 1>back into its input to create what he called positive feedback.

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<v Speaker 1>His resulting circuit was called a regenerative circuit, sometimes also

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<v Speaker 1>called a feedback circuit, and it worked by a reported

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<v Speaker 1>factor of thousands. Then Armstrong realized that if he turned

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<v Speaker 1>his regenerative circuit to its highest level of amplification, it

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<v Speaker 1>became an oscillator and its own waves in or the words,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a broadcasting transmitter. This early success had been

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<v Speaker 1>made possible in part by Armstrong's mentor, a man named

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Pupin, who was a professor in the electrical engineering

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<v Speaker 1>department and who had seen something really special in Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Poupin had allowed the student to use his lab. He

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<v Speaker 1>had recognized the reasons that the regular curriculum failed to

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<v Speaker 1>interest Armstrong, and he was also Edwin's champion when it

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<v Speaker 1>came to other professors at school and administrators who thought

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<v Speaker 1>he was just being arrogant or that he wouldn't apply himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, we'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about Armstrong's first hurtle of many in his career,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was paying for a patent application. But first

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<v Speaker 2>we will take a quick sponsor break.

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<v Speaker 1>Naturally, Armstrong wanted to file a patent now application for

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<v Speaker 1>his invention of this circuit, and he asked his father

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<v Speaker 1>for help with the money for the application fee, but

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<v Speaker 1>John Armstrong refused, voicing concerns that he didn't want his

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<v Speaker 1>son to get sidetracked from finishing his education. Edwin was

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<v Speaker 1>really disheartened by his father's response, but he was also

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<v Speaker 1>an undeterred. He just turned to other family members and

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<v Speaker 1>even friends for money, and he promised that he would

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<v Speaker 1>repay them for any financial help they could offer. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he also had to sell his bike that was

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<v Speaker 1>how he commuted to school. But to him, all of

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<v Speaker 1>this was worth it. He filed his patent application in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirteen, the same year he graduated from Columbia. Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>was immediately offered a position as an assistant at Columbia,

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<v Speaker 1>and as an employee, he was able to install a

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<v Speaker 1>large demonstration antenna on campus to show Poopen and others

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<v Speaker 1>just how powerful his regenerative circuit was. He reportedly picked

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<v Speaker 1>up signals from as far away Hawaii with it.

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<v Speaker 2>During World War One, Armstrong's reputation in the science community

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<v Speaker 2>landed him in Paris, where he worked for the US

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<v Speaker 2>Army Signal Corps. In a lab there in Europe, he

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<v Speaker 2>invented another circuit, the superheterodyne radio circuit, also called a superhead.

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<v Speaker 2>A superhead circuit changes a radio signal frequency from the

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<v Speaker 2>frequency it's received at to a lower frequency using a

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<v Speaker 2>mixer and oscillator. This results in an output that can

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<v Speaker 2>be more effectively filtered and processed. In terms of war applications,

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<v Speaker 2>this meant that weak signals could be cleared of background

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<v Speaker 2>noise and amplified. Armstrong had been allowed to use the

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<v Speaker 2>Eiffel Tower as part of his experimentation. Today, the superhead

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<v Speaker 2>is still a massive part of daily communications all over

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<v Speaker 2>the globe. In nineteen fourteen, Armstrong received his patent, but

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<v Speaker 2>the very young Armstrong did not have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>time to be happy about it before he found that

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<v Speaker 2>he had a much older detractor of his work in

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<v Speaker 2>Lee DeForest. DeForest had actually seen one of Armstrong's demonstrations

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<v Speaker 2>and had seen how Armstrong's work had made his audion

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<v Speaker 2>truly function as an amplifier, but in his opinion, that

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<v Speaker 2>meant that he DeForest should be the one to get credit.

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<v Speaker 2>For a decade and a half, these two men would

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<v Speaker 2>go back and forth in papers, public statements, and after

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<v Speaker 2>the war lawsuits over who should get credit for inventing

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<v Speaker 2>the regenerative circuit. DeForest's argument was that from the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>he had heard what he described as a howling sound

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<v Speaker 2>in his audion, and he realized after seeing Armstrong's demonstration

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<v Speaker 2>that he had accidentally created positive feedback. This assertion was

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<v Speaker 2>not really supported by any of DeForest's own writing about

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<v Speaker 2>his invention. Prior to having seen Armstrong's work, he never

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<v Speaker 2>made any notes about a howling noise or mentioned it

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<v Speaker 2>to anybody, But he decided that he also needed to

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<v Speaker 2>file patent applications for what he claimed was his invention.

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<v Speaker 2>This resulted in Armstrong's patent being held in stasis for

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<v Speaker 2>a while as things were hopefully going to get sorted out.

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<v Speaker 2>But they did not sort out. They got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more contentious.

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<v Speaker 1>So recall that DeForest had publicly stated that he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>really explain how his audion worked, and Armstrong, on the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, had completely grasped the science he had. As

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<v Speaker 1>this rivalry was heating up, written papers about how his

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<v Speaker 1>regenerative circuit worked and changed the function of the audion.

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<v Speaker 1>There are pages and pages of back and forth between

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<v Speaker 1>the two men in the proceedings of the Institute of

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<v Speaker 1>Radio Engineers, after Armstrong had published a paper titled a

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<v Speaker 1>Study of Heterodyne Amplification by the Electron Relay. In one letter,

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<v Speaker 1>DeForest states, quote, I doubt if the simplicity of mister

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong's explanations of audion phenomena is satisfying to those who

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<v Speaker 1>have extensively experimented with the audion. He then goes on

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<v Speaker 1>to reference a number of behavioral phenomena of the device

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<v Speaker 1>that Armstrong's work cannot explain, but they seem kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like outliers or malfunctions, including one where all of the

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<v Speaker 1>electrodes became incandescent. He then writes, quote, these are experimental

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<v Speaker 1>facts and not theory, and mister Armstrong must search more

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<v Speaker 1>deeply before the ultimate explanation of audion phenomena is revealed,

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<v Speaker 1>which honestly sounds like he almost thinks it's kind of magical.

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<v Speaker 1>He just does not understand what's happening, and he also

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<v Speaker 1>states that Armstrong was misinterpreting some of his writing. In response,

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong wrote, quote in reference to doctor DeForest's discussion, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel that he must have failed in some way to

0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:51.160
<v Speaker 1>understand the present paper, because his discussion clearly seems to

0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.280
<v Speaker 1>apply not to the present paper, but to some of

0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.880
<v Speaker 1>the more fundamental and elementary matters which were published by

0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:02.120
<v Speaker 1>me several years ago. Part of a problem, he notes,

0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:06.199
<v Speaker 1>is that he Armstrong had backed another scientist, Fleming, when

0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.840
<v Speaker 1>DeForest had claimed that he had also infringed on one

0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:13.720
<v Speaker 1>of his ideas. It seemed that DeForest felt like everyone

0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:17.720
<v Speaker 1>was stealing his work. Things got really heated when the

0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:22.160
<v Speaker 1>AT and T company, which had purchased DeForest patents, got involved.

0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:27.600
<v Speaker 1>This is when the lawsuits began. Armstrong won some judgments

0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.720
<v Speaker 1>initially and then lost on appeal, and then additional suits

0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.120
<v Speaker 1>were filed and appealed, and on and on for fourteen

0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:38.680
<v Speaker 1>years from nineteen twenty to nineteen thirty four. This case

0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.720
<v Speaker 1>went before the Supreme Court twice. In testimony, it was

0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:47.040
<v Speaker 1>completely obvious to everyone that DeForest did not understand the

0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:51.840
<v Speaker 1>science behind his own invention the audion, But in the end,

0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.200
<v Speaker 1>a lack of understanding about the science and how it

0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.440
<v Speaker 1>was described in the patents led to the Supreme Court

0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:02.320
<v Speaker 1>justices ruling in faise of DeForest. That was something the

0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.200
<v Speaker 1>scientific community was outraged about.

0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps most damning for DeForest was the fact that the

0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Institute of Radio Engineers did not recognize the court's decision.

0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.440
<v Speaker 2>The organization had given their medal of honor to Armstrong

0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.400
<v Speaker 2>several years before the final court battle, but when the

0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:25.120
<v Speaker 2>decision came down, Armstrong attempted to return it during one

0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.920
<v Speaker 2>of the group's annual meetings. He was instead met with

0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.760
<v Speaker 2>a standing ovation and a refusal to accept that return.

0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.320
<v Speaker 2>The entire engineering community, and especially those who had worked

0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:43.560
<v Speaker 2>in sciences related to radio, backed Armstrong publicly. So DeForest

0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.240
<v Speaker 2>may have won that case, but he became an outcast

0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:50.040
<v Speaker 2>in his industry in the process. Armstrong continued to be

0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:54.480
<v Speaker 2>honored with awards for his work on the regenerative circuit as.

0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.880
<v Speaker 1>All of this was playing out. After World War One,

0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Armstrong had gone back to Columbia. He worked for physicist

0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Michael Pupin as his assistant. Pupin, as we had mentioned earlier,

0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.720
<v Speaker 1>had been one of Armstrong's teachers, and Edwin had just

0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.960
<v Speaker 1>immense respect for him. Armstrong also sold the patent rights

0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.360
<v Speaker 1>for the superheterodyne receiver as the radio boom was beginning

0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.240
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen twenties, and as a consequence, he found

0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:24.320
<v Speaker 1>himself very wealthy very quickly, with ongoing income from stock

0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.520
<v Speaker 1>that had been included in those patent purchase deals.

0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:31.000
<v Speaker 2>He also got married after the war. While working in Europe,

0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Edwin met a woman named Marian McInnis. She was working

0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.800
<v Speaker 2>as the secretary of a man named David Sarnoff, who

0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.520
<v Speaker 2>was a friend of Edwin's from Columbia and would later

0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.400
<v Speaker 2>go on to found the Radio Corporation of America or RCA.

0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Armstrong gave Marion an early portable radio as a wedding gift,

0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.720
<v Speaker 2>and the two of them, by all accounts, were very happy.

0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Together with his newfound millionaire status, Armstrong could have retired

0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.320
<v Speaker 2>early and just lived a life of leisure at that point,

0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:06.199
<v Speaker 2>but he didn't. He was still fascinated with radio, and

0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.840
<v Speaker 2>he was chasing a goal, which was radio without static.

0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.639
<v Speaker 2>He used his own money to pay for research on

0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.000
<v Speaker 2>the problem, which he tackled along with his mentor Poopem.

0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.720
<v Speaker 2>He collected no salary from Columbia because he had worked

0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.080
<v Speaker 2>a deal where in working for free, he was able

0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.000
<v Speaker 2>to focus exclusively on his lab work and not have

0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.120
<v Speaker 2>to be bogged down in any of the trappings of academia.

0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:34.879
<v Speaker 2>That meant no administrative duties, no teaching schedules. In nineteen

0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:39.320
<v Speaker 2>thirty three, Edwin Armstrong applied for four patents, all related

0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:43.800
<v Speaker 2>to the issue of eliminating static from radio waves. Prior

0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:47.560
<v Speaker 2>to this point, all radio was based on AM or

0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:52.440
<v Speaker 2>amplitude modulation. In an AM broadcast, the frequency is constant.

0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.800
<v Speaker 2>This is also called a carrier wave. The sound wave

0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.320
<v Speaker 2>the audio that's being transmitted, is added to that frequency

0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.359
<v Speaker 2>and the sound wave changes the amplitude of the wave.

0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Amplitude is a measure of the strength or intensity of

0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.000
<v Speaker 2>a wave. Sometimes people will also call it a height,

0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:10.800
<v Speaker 2>but that's what they mean. So when you're tuning in

0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.360
<v Speaker 2>AM radio, you are tuning to the frequency that's assigned

0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.080
<v Speaker 2>to the broadcaster you wish to listen to. FM on

0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:22.000
<v Speaker 2>the other hand, modulates the frequency, so obviously FM stands

0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:26.399
<v Speaker 2>for frequency modulation. Those changes in frequency are what carry

0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.120
<v Speaker 2>the signal, and when they shift the output device that's

0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.080
<v Speaker 2>speakers get a hit of voltage that transmits the sound.

0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.800
<v Speaker 2>So a station's call number or frequency actually has some

0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.040
<v Speaker 2>play on either side of it to allow for those

0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:42.440
<v Speaker 2>shifts that trigger the sound. It is a more complicated process,

0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:46.800
<v Speaker 2>but the resulting sound is clearer an Armstrong's new system.

0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.560
<v Speaker 2>With the modulated frequency of waves, the carrier wave was

0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:54.560
<v Speaker 2>more impervious to interference from things like electrical storms.

0:18:55.280 --> 0:19:00.560
<v Speaker 1>We know today that Armstrong's invention did change communications, but

0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:04.120
<v Speaker 1>initially it did not seem destined for success, and we'll

0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.879
<v Speaker 1>talk about why after we hear from the sponsors that

0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:19.120
<v Speaker 1>keep stuff you missed in history class going. One might

0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:23.560
<v Speaker 1>expect that the superiority in fidelity that Armstrong's FM radio

0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:26.760
<v Speaker 1>was able to produce would be readily embraced. It sounded

0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:30.919
<v Speaker 1>so much better, But there were two problems. One was

0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:33.919
<v Speaker 1>that there was a belief in the science community, based

0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.920
<v Speaker 1>on some faulty science, that FM was not viable. They

0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:41.840
<v Speaker 1>thought Armstrong had actually been wasting his time. The other

0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.399
<v Speaker 1>problem was that even once its viability was apparent. It

0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.920
<v Speaker 1>ran into the issue that new technology is often met

0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:53.040
<v Speaker 1>with resistance, especially when it necessitates the need for new equipment,

0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:57.560
<v Speaker 1>and that was exactly what happened with FM. To prove

0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:01.520
<v Speaker 1>his FM radio worked, demonstrated it to the Institute of

0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Radio Engineers in nineteen thirty five. That gave them a

0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.600
<v Speaker 1>chance to hear this static free transmission from the remote

0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:11.800
<v Speaker 1>location of Yonkers. He demoed different kinds of sound. There

0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:13.160
<v Speaker 1>was speaking, of course, but.

0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Also live music and things like water being poured into

0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.600
<v Speaker 2>a glass. It was all clear as a bell, much

0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:21.480
<v Speaker 2>clearer than an AM transmission.

0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:26.200
<v Speaker 1>That resistance that we mentioned a moment ago two FM's

0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:31.240
<v Speaker 1>adoption came quickly and aggressively. By the mid nineteen thirties,

0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:35.000
<v Speaker 1>there were already a lot of radio stations broadcasting AM radio,

0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.600
<v Speaker 1>and none of them wanted word to get out that

0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:42.320
<v Speaker 1>there was a superior technology. Meanwhile, Armstrong was like, this

0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:45.199
<v Speaker 1>should be free to everybody. One of the early signs

0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:47.520
<v Speaker 1>that things were going to be really rough actually came

0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:51.919
<v Speaker 1>from his friend David Sarnoff. Saranov had started RCA at

0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:55.640
<v Speaker 1>this point, and Armstrong had promised RCA first look an

0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:59.720
<v Speaker 1>option for any inventions he created, and to help Armstrong

0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:02.399
<v Speaker 1>win his work, Sarnov had let the inventor use the

0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.840
<v Speaker 1>top of the newly completed Empire State Building as a

0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:10.560
<v Speaker 1>testing space. But when Armstrong started talking publicly about FM

0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.119
<v Speaker 1>radio and its benefits, Saranov told him to take his

0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:18.160
<v Speaker 1>equipment down and get off the Empire State Building. RCA

0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:22.199
<v Speaker 1>was already positioned against Armstrong legally at this point, the

0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.639
<v Speaker 1>company was involved in that series of patent cases against

0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:29.639
<v Speaker 1>him in court, but up until this point, Armstrong and

0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:33.879
<v Speaker 1>Sarnov had remained pretty friendly. Until the FM reveal.

0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Some of the resistance against Armstrong's new form of radio

0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:43.159
<v Speaker 2>was fairly specific to time and place. This was in

0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:47.359
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen thirties, so the Great Depression is part of

0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:51.399
<v Speaker 2>the context of this. Industry leaders like Sarnoff, who knew

0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:55.680
<v Speaker 2>that Armstrong was working on the static problem, had anticipated

0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:57.480
<v Speaker 2>that he was going to come up with something that

0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:02.359
<v Speaker 2>improved on the existing A radio technology, which was also

0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:06.440
<v Speaker 2>tied to the very new development of television. So when

0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.680
<v Speaker 2>he showed up with a completely new system, it took

0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:14.760
<v Speaker 2>people by surprise. Companies were trepidacious about investing when the

0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:19.000
<v Speaker 2>markets were precarious. They believed that customers would be even

0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:22.880
<v Speaker 2>less willing to buy things like new radios when there

0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:25.639
<v Speaker 2>were already plenty of AM stations for them to listen

0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:29.639
<v Speaker 2>to on their existing radios. So while there was a

0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.439
<v Speaker 2>lot of pettiness in the mix, there were also some

0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.840
<v Speaker 2>legitimate financial and economic concerns.

0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:40.160
<v Speaker 1>In response to the mix of detractors and some people

0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:43.280
<v Speaker 1>who seemed to be just willfully ignoring his new tech.

0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:46.399
<v Speaker 1>Like he could not get people to write about this

0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:51.600
<v Speaker 1>new FM radio, Edwin Armstrong once again persisted he really

0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.560
<v Speaker 1>believed in FM and he knew it was far superior,

0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:58.359
<v Speaker 1>so he decided to build his own radio station to

0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:03.760
<v Speaker 1>prove it. Was of course very expensive. The total cost

0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:06.840
<v Speaker 1>of the construction, which took place over several years, was

0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:10.760
<v Speaker 1>estimated to have been around three hundred thousand dollars, which,

0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:14.440
<v Speaker 1>with that caveat that translating value over time is very imprecise,

0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the estimates put that at pretty close to seven million

0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:21.199
<v Speaker 1>dollars to day of his own personal money. And to

0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:25.280
<v Speaker 1>make matters worse, then, the Federal Communications Commission refused to

0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:29.360
<v Speaker 1>issue him a permit for it. In return, Armstrong told

0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:31.880
<v Speaker 1>the FCC that he would just move to another country

0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 1>and let them lead the industry into static free broadcasting,

0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:39.639
<v Speaker 1>and after that he did get his license. In nineteen

0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:43.399
<v Speaker 1>thirty nine, he began broadcasting from the first FM radio station,

0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:47.760
<v Speaker 1>W two XMN, which he had built in Alpine, New Jersey.

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Its signal traveled farther than the FCC had anticipated and

0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:57.240
<v Speaker 1>with clearer transmission than any AM station could manage.

0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:01.159
<v Speaker 2>The next year, RCA offered to buy ALFE since from Armstrong,

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:04.280
<v Speaker 2>but he was only willing to issue them a royalties

0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:08.200
<v Speaker 2>based offer, and things did not go well. As Armstrong

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:11.159
<v Speaker 2>was ready to really start showing what FM could do.

0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 2>The United States entered World War II. Because he was

0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:18.680
<v Speaker 2>still one of the foremost experts in the country regarding

0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:22.840
<v Speaker 2>wireless communication, he was once again needed for research duty

0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:23.680
<v Speaker 2>for the war.

0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Then, when the war was over Edwin returned to what

0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:31.440
<v Speaker 1>he considered his greatest achievement, FM, but things were only

0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:35.679
<v Speaker 1>getting worse in his battle to control the technology. After

0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:38.880
<v Speaker 1>he had turned down RCA's offer to buy a license,

0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the company had just gone right ahead and developed their

0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 1>own FM technology without any sort of agreement with him,

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.760
<v Speaker 1>and they actually brought FM radios to market, which was

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:50.800
<v Speaker 1>something that violated his patents.

0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Then, the FCC, which had come to acknowledge the superior

0:24:56.320 --> 0:25:00.560
<v Speaker 2>fidelity that FM could provide, had assigned FM a new

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:04.160
<v Speaker 2>set of frequencies at the end of the war, claiming

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 2>it was for the technology zone good. But this switch

0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 2>meant that all the existing radios were suddenly obsolete because

0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:14.359
<v Speaker 2>they had been manufactured to tune into the old band.

0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:17.919
<v Speaker 2>As part of this move, the maximum power of the

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 2>new band was reduced from that of the old ones,

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 2>so one of FM's primary benefits was basically erased. Additionally,

0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 2>corporate entities conspired to take down Armstrong's idea that FM

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 2>should stay independent and not be owned by a corporation.

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Under the guise of promoting FM, RCA and other networks

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:44.119
<v Speaker 2>started broadcasting the programming that had been running on AM,

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.679
<v Speaker 2>but they didn't charge advertisers for their time on the

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 2>FM broadcasts. That meant that independent FM stations had no

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 2>real leverage to get advertisers to pay to run shows

0:25:56.359 --> 0:26:01.119
<v Speaker 2>on their channel. They were getting FM ads for free

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 2>from the big names already.

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:07.679
<v Speaker 1>Armstrong tried to fight all of this in Congress, and

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:10.600
<v Speaker 1>he had a number of politicians on his side. He

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>accused specifically RCA and NBC with infringement on his patents.

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.399
<v Speaker 1>But though there were hearings, things dragged on with a

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of mostly irrelevant questioning, and there didn't seem to

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:24.080
<v Speaker 1>be any end or resolution in sight.

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:28.879
<v Speaker 2>As the nineteen fifties donned, the once wealthy Armstrong was

0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:32.440
<v Speaker 2>in a much less robust financial situation than he had

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 2>been earlier in his career. He had burned through his

0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 2>fortune trying to convince established radio stations that FM was

0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:43.720
<v Speaker 2>a better option, and then to fight the many legal

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 2>battles that came with it. He and Marian had traditionally

0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:50.159
<v Speaker 2>held a party at Thanksgiving every year for all of

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Edwin's engineering friends. After everybody had gone home, on the

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 2>night of the nineteen fifty three festivities, he and Marian

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:01.520
<v Speaker 2>had a fight, something that was really unusual in their

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:02.679
<v Speaker 2>thirty years together.

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.680
<v Speaker 1>The main crux of this argument seemed to be concerns

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:10.400
<v Speaker 1>for their future in retirement. Maryan's sister and her sister's

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:13.040
<v Speaker 1>husband had built a home in Connecticut on a farm,

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:16.320
<v Speaker 1>and Marian wanted for Edwin to semi retire and for

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 1>them to also move to Connecticut. She had voiced concerns

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 1>that all of these legal battles and the radio station

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>and just all of it were draining what money they

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:28.160
<v Speaker 1>had down to a point where this dream was kind

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:31.879
<v Speaker 1>of slipping away. And after their argument in November nineteen

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 1>fifty three, she left their apartment and went to stay

0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 1>with her sister, and the two of them remained apart

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 1>through the rest of the holidays.

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 2>So heads up, we're getting to the death by suicide

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 2>that we mentioned at the top of the show, and

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:48.160
<v Speaker 2>if you'd rather skip that, just jump ahead about three minutes.

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 2>By the beginning of nineteen fifty four, Armstrong was, it

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:55.879
<v Speaker 2>is now believed, probably having a nervous breakdown. He had

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:58.679
<v Speaker 2>started to act unlike himself, to the point that friends

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 2>were asking him if he was okay, and he told

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<v Speaker 2>them he was just under the weather. On January thirty first,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a Sunday, he spoke with his lawyer, Alfred McCormick,

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<v Speaker 2>as he did every morning. He checked in on a

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<v Speaker 2>friend whose wife was ill, and he made plans to

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<v Speaker 2>have drinks with another friend, but Armstrong no showed on

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<v Speaker 2>that date. Late that evening, he put on his hat

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<v Speaker 2>and coat and he jumped to his death from the

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<v Speaker 2>window of the couple's apartment the following morning. The news

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<v Speaker 2>was reported in a brief statement which circulated in numerous

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<v Speaker 2>papers and for several days after quote FM inventor dies

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<v Speaker 2>in fall. Major Edwin Howard Armstrong, sixty three, inventor of

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<v Speaker 2>the frequency modulation radio system, fell or jumped to his

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<v Speaker 2>death from the thirteenth floor apartment to the third floor

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<v Speaker 2>balcony of Riverhouse Apartment hotel today police reported. Police said

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<v Speaker 2>that Major Armstrong left a two page note addressed to

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<v Speaker 2>his wife, esther Marian, who was reported staying with friends

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<v Speaker 2>in Granby, Connecticut. The note, it was learned, expressed the

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<v Speaker 2>regret at dying this way and stated his love for

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<v Speaker 2>his wife. Major Armstrong also invented the superheterodyne and super

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<v Speaker 2>regenerative circuits, which are the basis of virtually all radio receivers.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong was buried in Marion's family plot in Merrimack, Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 1>They had also been married there in Marymack. In the

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<v Speaker 1>wake of her husband's death, Marion became a staunch defender

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<v Speaker 1>of the twenty one patent suits that he had filed.

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<v Speaker 1>Near the end of his life. The RCA and NBC

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<v Speaker 1>infringement suit settled out of court with the networks, paying

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong's estate one million dollars. All of the other suits

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<v Speaker 1>ended in judgments in Armstrong's favor.

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<v Speaker 2>On March sixth, nineteen fifty four, Armstrong's FM station played

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<v Speaker 2>the inventor's favorite music before a few closing remarks by

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<v Speaker 2>his lawyer, and then went off the air for good.

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<v Speaker 2>The Alpine, New Jersey, property where it was built was

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<v Speaker 2>eventually purchased by his alma mater and former employer, Columbia University,

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<v Speaker 2>which established the Armstrong Fields Stifle for Electronic Research there.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition to the lab, the building now houses an

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<v Speaker 2>exhibit of FM radio history. In nineteen fifty five, the

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<v Speaker 2>International Telecommunications Union made Armstrong one of its honorees in

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<v Speaker 2>recognition of his contributions to radio. One of their prior

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<v Speaker 2>honorees was the man who is often cited as inspiring

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong's path as an inventor, Guglielmo Marconi.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Edwin Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you also have some listener mail? I do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's less sad than that. At the end. This is

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<v Speaker 1>from our listener, Emily. Although I don't know it might

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<v Speaker 1>make me cry, everything does, Emily writes. So I've been

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<v Speaker 1>listening for a long time. I think I started listening

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<v Speaker 1>before the two of you were the co hosts, so

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<v Speaker 1>that tells you this note is a long time coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for everything, seriously, thanks. There are so many episodes

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<v Speaker 1>that I've loved and so much I've learned from you

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<v Speaker 1>guys over the years. I'm always excited when you do

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<v Speaker 1>an episode on some I've learned about in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if it's a place I've actually visited, and I

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<v Speaker 1>assign your episodes for my literature students and my honors

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<v Speaker 1>students as supplements to the text for reading. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for being an educator, and also I'm super honored, she continues.

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<v Speaker 1>I often sit and think I should write because so

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<v Speaker 1>many of the episodes speak to me or to my

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<v Speaker 1>experiences in so many ways. But your recent episode on

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<v Speaker 1>the Library of Congress and your conversation about it on

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<v Speaker 1>the behind the scenes episode finally gets me to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you, I am frequently absolutely dismayed at the state

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<v Speaker 1>of things in the US, and I'm often at a

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<v Speaker 1>loss for what to do. But your episode reinforced for

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<v Speaker 1>me the idea that education, particularly in the humanities itself,

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<v Speaker 1>is a form of activism. I do this at the

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<v Speaker 1>local level as a college professor, and you guys do

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<v Speaker 1>this for a much wider audience. Thanks for everything you do,

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<v Speaker 1>and know that you're not alone in feeling dismay, but

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<v Speaker 1>also in leaning into the importance of learning about the past.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we get to pet tax. Here are my dog, Elsa,

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<v Speaker 1>a two year old goldendoodle, and my sweet menace of

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<v Speaker 1>a kitten named Bertie. She chirps a lot. While that

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<v Speaker 1>is her official name, she gets called a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>other things because my five year old son likes to

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<v Speaker 1>change her name on a regular basis. She has been called,

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<v Speaker 1>among other things, all off, buddy, kitty, bouncy, and Wushi Coushie,

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<v Speaker 1>my son's name for whoopy cushions. Signed Emily, Emily, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for this beautiful letter. It's so sweet and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so honored. And also this dog. You guys got to

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<v Speaker 1>stop saying I don't know if I have dog fever

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<v Speaker 1>or what. Right now, something's going on because I see

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<v Speaker 1>pups and I'm like, whoa. And I will always love

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<v Speaker 1>a kiddie picture forever. I hope you hug those babies

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<v Speaker 1>super tight. Thank you for being an educator, as I said,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm super honored that you would assign her stuff

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