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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds.

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Speaker 2: And Donald Trump is melting down claiming Vice President Harris's

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Speaker 2: real crowd sizes are AI and fake. Really keeping it

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Speaker 2: together over there at bar Lago, we have such a

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Speaker 2: great show for you today. The New Republic's Edith Olmstead

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Speaker 2: stops by to tell us how Elon Musk Super Pac

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Speaker 2: is fucking with voter registration. Then we'll talk to author

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Speaker 2: David Dally about his new book Anti Democratic inside the

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Speaker 2: Far rights fifty year plot to control American elections. But

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Speaker 2: first we have the host of the Enemy's List, the

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Speaker 2: Week of Project's own, Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, the One, the Only Rock Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Molly.

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Speaker 4: I'm hoping today we can spend some time considering why

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Speaker 4: the national media goes to interview a fucking lunatic who

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Speaker 4: stands on stage screaming like a guy behind the gas

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Speaker 4: station who's trying to suck the alcohol out of a

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Speaker 4: sock full of Sterno, and treats him like he's a

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Speaker 4: human being.

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Speaker 5: Let's not cast his versions on Sterno.

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Speaker 1: Some of the best alcoholics I know have drank stern out.

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Speaker 5: I personally have never drank.

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Speaker 1: It, but as a actually, never mind, we have time

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Speaker 1: for this conversation.

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Speaker 5: Show. Come see us in California.

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Speaker 3: We are doing a live show, y'all.

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Speaker 4: And if you don't come and watch us in this

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Speaker 4: live show, you are missing. Like when Molly and I

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Speaker 4: are on a podcast together, as we've done now for

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Speaker 3: For four years, our whole lives well seemingly forever.

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Speaker 4: When Molly and I are together on a podcast, you

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Speaker 4: guys can see the sort of like banter chemistry we

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Speaker 4: get when we are sitting together in a room, whether

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Speaker 4: And by totally different, I mean awesome.

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Speaker 5: Oh yes, and we.

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Speaker 1: Also, more importantly, we make fun of each other. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we do audience questions. But let's just get back to

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Speaker 1: this press Offerts. So you and I talk I think

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Speaker 5: I think it was actually a real life phone call.

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Speaker 3: I think it was. Yeah, yeah, we.

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Speaker 1: Were talking about like what we thought it might be

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Speaker 1: because I remember twenty sixteen. And in twenty sixteen, Trump

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Speaker 1: have these press conferences where he'd have a piece of

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Speaker 1: evidence quote unquote.

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Speaker 5: And it would be like, either, here are.

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Speaker 1: Women Bill Quinton slip with, here are my taxes from

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two?

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Speaker 5: Maybe right? Remember those piles.

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Speaker 3: Of maybe right.

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Speaker 1: So I've seen Trump do those press conferences, so part

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Speaker 1: of me thought like always going to have like five

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Speaker 1: swift body guys who are going to swift boat Tim Walls,

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Speaker 1: going to be like, well did this you know whatever?

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Speaker 3: Trump accused?

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Speaker 1: Right, Trump accuses you know, forty year veteran of you

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Speaker 1: know whatever. But Carrie had three purple hearts. I mean,

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Speaker 4: There was a world, a time in the deminiscent past

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Speaker 4: where Chris Osavita and Rick Wilson were the two guys

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Speaker 4: you called to do like really stinky shit. They're really

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Speaker 4: you the swift Boat hit. Look, he was in theater,

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Speaker 4: he was on the boat, he got hurt. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the standard of the purple heart is one thing. But

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Speaker 4: this thing tried to make Tim Walls and say that

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Speaker 1: He decided to run for Congress because of George W.

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Speaker 4: This story is not going to help Donald Trump in

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Speaker 4: the end. And I'll tell you why. Bone Spurs Colonel

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Speaker 4: Bone Spurs Von pussy Grabber, the hero of the Battle

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Speaker 4: He has contempt for soldiers. He insulted the family of

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Speaker 3: He fucking said it and he thinks it right.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no question.

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Speaker 1: And also Adam Kinzinger, I think, had a really good

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Speaker 1: Orange God. He said, in fact, that you know, once

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Speaker 1: you're arguing about military service, you're losing. Like the appropriate

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Speaker 1: response to both Vans and Walls is that they both serve.

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Speaker 4: There are more pictures of Tim Waltz in uniform over

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Speaker 4: And honestly, the depth of the perversity of this attack

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Speaker 4: Trump but Chris Losovita, who is running Trump's operation, is

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Speaker 4: that these guys only have one song to sing, they

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Speaker 1: Zone, right, And that brings us to the Trump presser,

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Speaker 1: where Trump did exactly what he has been doing since

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, which was a mashup of the greatest hits,

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's always the you know, the apocalypse is

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Speaker 5: Yes, on every corner.

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Speaker 3: And force you to eat delicious tacos.

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Speaker 5: Right exactly.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that I thought was interesting was in

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Speaker 1: should have gotten it, and that was one of his

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Speaker 5: And so what he's trying to do this time.

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Speaker 1: I saw a piece where the author said, actually, what

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Speaker 1: I think he hopes that he can get the Biden

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Speaker 4: May I point out for our friend Donald Trump, ain't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean and remember historically, like when LBJ

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Speaker 4: Without even a hiccup, without even a speed bump. It

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Speaker 4: I'm sure. Look, all human beings have resentments and but

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Speaker 4: hurt and all this other stuff in your life. Fine,

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Speaker 4: but you know what, none of them are displaying it

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Speaker 4: or acting out on it. You're not hearing her campaign

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Speaker 4: being full of leaks of people go I would have

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Speaker 4: done this because I'm a genius and they're dumb. All

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Speaker 4: series of terrific events across Michigan, Wisconsin. Everything's working great.

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Speaker 4: And the people that are complaining are not her fellow

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Speaker 4: Democrats and not Biden stands. And there are Biden stands.

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Speaker 4: I count myself among them. Look, I think he's one

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Speaker 4: of the best presidents.

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Speaker 5: I think one of the best presidents.

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Speaker 4: We've had, no doubt about it. I mean, look, and

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Speaker 4: I think we will have in our lifetimes two underappreciated,

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Speaker 5: Well will agree to agree.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you can disagree with me on that.

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Speaker 4: But you know what, we didn't go to Iraq with

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Speaker 3: I'll be the last one.

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Speaker 5: We're hitting the rocks here.

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Speaker 1: But if you know the tour sells out, I'll buy

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about hw my boss Jesus Christ woman.

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Speaker 1: But to celebrate either way, I'm buying you one of

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Speaker 3: That sounds good. You know what I do have rolled

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Speaker 4: I have a black velvet Dick Cheney painting from Tijuana.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, oh, yeah, that's a terrible thing. That's like

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Speaker 1: they find that's what your heirs. Fine, nobody wants this.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you can get Dick to sign it.

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Speaker 3: The old man I might be able to. I needed

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Speaker 1: So another thing we need to talk about is a

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Speaker 1: a rough helicopter landing with Willie Brown, and Willie Brown

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Speaker 1: said lots of bad things about Kamala Harris during this

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Speaker 4: full of shit. Yes, Brown's like he's making that ship

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Speaker 1: He was in a helicopter not with Willie Brown, but

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Speaker 1: Little bit Jerry Brown, progressive governor of California, Willie Brown

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Speaker 4: Former mayor of San Francisco, former Speaker of the California Assembly.

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Speaker 1: Right, neither not, neither are the same person. And Newsom,

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Speaker 1: who was in that helicopter with Jerry Brown and Trump

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Speaker 1: was no emergency landing and no discussion of Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: says Jerry Brown not to be confused with Willy Brown.

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Speaker 1: No one has ever confused him, nor will they ever.

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Speaker 1: And Newsom said, I call complete bs as.

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Speaker 4: One would because because as you may have figured out

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Speaker 4: once again, Donald Trump is always lying.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is never not lying. It's always a lie.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Laurence, who is a friend, Yes, of course, yes,

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Speaker 1: and who did really, really, really important monologue last night

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Speaker 1: where he talked about are we doing it wrong again?

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Speaker 4: Yes, let's talk about it, because I think since last

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Speaker 4: night I've watched it four.

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Speaker 5: Times that hour that I will never get back of

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Speaker 5: my life.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm talking about Lawrence's recapitulation of it, because honestly,

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Speaker 4: that was a press conference that, as amusing as it

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Speaker 4: his insanity on television, Lawrence is right. Those reporters, they're

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Speaker 4: in that room. First off, they were a handpick group.

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Speaker 4: Let's be real about that.

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Speaker 1: Which I think is really important because Harris does not

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Speaker 1: she has the pool, which is different, an important difference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very important difference.

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Speaker 7: I'm so happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: This is such an interesting and disturbing story that when

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Speaker 1: Explain to us a little bit about what Elon Musk

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Speaker 7: So, Elon Musk has started a pack called the America Pack,

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Speaker 7: that was all about that. So this is a big

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Speaker 7: part of his campaign that actually needs bolstering. And so

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Speaker 7: as a result, Musk has started this pack and he

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Speaker 7: had all these digital ads right and they had pictures

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Speaker 7: of Trump being shot, sort of trying to evoke this

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Speaker 7: emotional experience in a viewer, trying to get them to

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Speaker 7: register to vote, specifically registered to vote was something that

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Speaker 7: all of these ads are pushing, and they're pushing it

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Speaker 7: off on the main website too. When you go to

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Speaker 7: the America pack website, there was an option, not anymore,

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Speaker 7: but there was an option to register to vote. And

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Speaker 7: in some states you could register to vote. It would

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Speaker 7: take you to a page and you would enter your information,

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Speaker 7: like where you're from, and it would direct you to

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Speaker 7: a page which would actually take you to a site

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Speaker 7: where you could register to vote. But crucially, in some

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Speaker 7: key battleground state this was not the case. You would

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Speaker 7: get redirected to another page which would ask you for

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Speaker 7: your age, your name, your address, a lot of personal

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Speaker 7: information and then Once you had entered all that, it

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Speaker 7: would just pop up a little thing saying thank you,

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Speaker 7: but it would never actually read you to a page

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Speaker 7: where you could register to vote, and it certainly didn't

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Speaker 7: enter the information into any registries. So essentially the ads

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Speaker 7: were asking people to register to vote, but not actually

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Speaker 7: giving them the opportunity.

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Speaker 5: Right. But it was for Trump's supporters.

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Speaker 7: Right, I think it was supposed to be directed at

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Speaker 7: swing voters in battleground states who were theoretically, like Musk,

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Speaker 7: caught up in the like whirlwind of energy that happened

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Speaker 7: after Trump's attempted assassination that could be motivated to take

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Speaker 7: political action after that event. I don't necessarily think it

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Speaker 7: was for his base, or maybe it was, but I

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Speaker 7: don't know what amount of his base is actually not

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Speaker 7: registered to vote.

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Speaker 5: Right, right, Right, that's a good point.

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Speaker 1: So what other stuff have you seen that Elon is

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Speaker 1: doing to support Trump and trump Ism? And also do

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Speaker 1: we know how much money he put into this pack?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 7: Overall, I'm actually not sure how much money. But must

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Speaker 7: America packboard eight hundred thousand dollars into digital advertisements to

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Speaker 7: target voters just in the battleground states of Arizona, Michigan, Georgia,

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Speaker 7: North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, according to ad Impact.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so that is.

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Speaker 1: A lot of ad money, though it's not forty five million.

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Speaker 5: Dollars a month.

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Speaker 7: No, certainly it is not. They also had a contract

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Speaker 7: for fifteen million dollars with a canvassing service that was

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Speaker 7: going to send people around the country to canvas for them,

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Speaker 7: but that contract actually got canceled, and it's kind of

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Speaker 7: unclear what's going to happen with the money that they

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Speaker 7: poured into that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but Mosk is the owner of Twitter, which is

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Speaker 1: now called as What kind of abilities does he have

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Speaker 1: to sort of target X users with ads? I mean,

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Speaker 1: can you do that? Has he decided to put ads

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Speaker 1: on AX? Do we know that our data is safe?

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Speaker 1: Is there anything to prevent him from just like going

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Speaker 1: hog wild with it?

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Speaker 7: That's a great question. It seems to me that I

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Speaker 7: haven't seen any America PEX on X, which is my

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Speaker 7: only indication. But I'm in New York, so it's sort

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Speaker 7: of like, why would I see an ad for it?

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Speaker 7: Most of the ads that I read about were seen

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Speaker 7: on Google, like in a response to the Google searches,

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Speaker 7: So I think it's likely that this information. We know

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Speaker 7: that when Musk is collecting information under the banner of

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Speaker 7: the America pack as opposed to under the banner of

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Speaker 7: the CEO of X, that information can be filtered straight

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Speaker 7: into canvassing projects with the Trump campaign. So I feel

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Speaker 7: like because of FEC guidelines, they're able to coordinate in

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Speaker 7: a much more like legal way as opposed to Trump's

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Speaker 7: dealing our information and then giving it to Trump anyway.

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Speaker 7: But I actually am not sure about him taking information

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Speaker 7: from X and giving it. I feel like maybe the

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Speaker 7: information on X isn't as willfully given, and if it

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Speaker 7: is willfully given, it's likely incomplete right, right, right, That.

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Speaker 1: Would make a lot of sense. So Musk has X,

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Speaker 1: he has all this data. We don't know if he's

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Speaker 1: using it for Trump's benefit. Like, we don't have any

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Speaker 1: algorithmic transparency, so we don't know how much Elon is

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Speaker 1: messing with what we see or how we see it, do.

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Speaker 7: We We certainly don't. End I know less about the

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Speaker 7: inner workings of X, to be honest, right, But no,

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Speaker 7: But he does exactly, which is pretty concerning for a

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Speaker 7: guy who is ramping up his power in this upcoming election,

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Speaker 7: because it seems like he certainly has expressed his political

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Speaker 7: stake in what's going on, but we don't know what

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Speaker 7: exactly his means are to making his plan come to life.

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Speaker 7: But he's certainly getting a lot of media attention, but

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Speaker 7: also like he's getting funded by like some of the

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Speaker 7: richest guys in Silicon valleys. So it's truly disturbing the

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Speaker 7: like reach that he has.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about some of the like there was

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Speaker 1: sort of a weekend when a lot of these Silicon

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Speaker 1: Valley types who weren't necessarily all in on the Trump

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Speaker 1: train decided, and it was after Trump had been shot,

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Speaker 1: and one after another, a bunch of them came out

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Speaker 1: and this is all in crowd, et cetera. And these

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Speaker 1: are the people who likely had some influence in Trump

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Speaker 1: picking Jdie Van So who knows this crew has been

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Speaker 1: very trumpy and very committed to Trump. But are they

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Speaker 1: still It certainly seems so to me. What it feels

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Speaker 1: like is like the sort of frenzy around Trump is

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Speaker 1: a little bit waning, but their wallets are still open

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Speaker 1: to him, as it kind of seems because you have

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Speaker 1: people like well, obviously Peter Teel, who is pretty much

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Speaker 1: all in non Trump. But you also have people like

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Speaker 1: Joe Lonsdale, who's one of the co founders of Talenteer.

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Speaker 1: He donated a million dollars to the America pack and

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Speaker 1: he's like obviously buddies with Peal because they both created

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Speaker 1: Palenteer together, and the Winkleby are both in I forgot

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Speaker 1: about them. Oh, how horrifying. Also like just regular I'm

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Speaker 1: not regular venture capitalist right, because there are some more

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Speaker 1: supporting Harris, so as a Max Well, the other Palenteer

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Speaker 1: guy who is sort of a grievous warhawk, Alex Carr.

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Speaker 7: I have a personal pet, interesting palent Heer. I just

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Speaker 7: think it's really like anytime something scares me and I

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Speaker 7: don't understand it, I like become obsessed with it. And

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Speaker 7: so that's kind of what's happened with me and Valenteer.

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Speaker 7: But Alex Kark has said that he's supporting Harris, which

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Speaker 7: is very interesting based on his of general warmongereness at

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Speaker 7: being the head of a military contractor in all right, right,

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Speaker 7: can you talk to us about there's some evidence that

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Speaker 7: Eric and Don Junior are getting involved in a bitcoin launch.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain to us there seems like Trump world

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Speaker 1: has gotten very tight with cryptocurrency, and I mean that

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Speaker 1: would make a lot of sense because they're both like

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Speaker 1: kind of sketchy. Can you talk about that.

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Speaker 7: There's actually been a lot of like, yeah, Donald Trump

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Speaker 7: Junior promised that there would be some huge crypto announcement

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Speaker 7: coming up, which I think that Trump and Harris are

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Speaker 7: finding themselves in this place where they're sort of battling

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Speaker 7: over or Harris at least has tried to see more

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Speaker 7: competitive about being pro crypto.

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Speaker 5: Right than Biden.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and Trump has definitely made it clear that he

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Speaker 7: is cozying up to all these sort of bitcoin guys.

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Speaker 7: He wants bitcoins to be produced in the United States,

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Speaker 7: even though I think there was a really horrifying article

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Speaker 7: in the Time a couple of weeks ago about this

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Speaker 7: town in Texas where they're producing bitcoins and everyone around

587
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Speaker 7: them was getting slowly poisoned, which maybe is worth back

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Speaker 7: checking me on, but I'm pretty sure so he sees

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Speaker 7: it as an economic opportunity for the United States, and

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Speaker 7: I definitely thinks being pushed by his sons, who are

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Speaker 7: the same guys obviously who are pushing for JD Vance.

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Speaker 7: This is all part of like a sort of new

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Speaker 7: right economic populism model that these guys have been pushing,

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Speaker 7: where they want to bring manufacturing into the United States

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Speaker 7: no matter what the cost to I guess like the

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Speaker 7: world economy and also human life would be.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of the tensions I think in the Trump campaign

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Speaker 1: is how much of Trump's money is going to the

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Speaker 1: campaign and how much is going to his many lego

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Speaker 1: bells and his members of his family who work for

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Speaker 1: the campaign, right right.

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Speaker 7: He's definitely cashed in or like Bond, further in on

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Speaker 7: having the sort of Trump coin and stuff than Biden obviously,

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Speaker 7: who was totally gave regulation. I guess I don't know

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Speaker 7: very much about his whole cryptocurrency gamble that he's making.

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Speaker 5: But he definitely wants those donors.

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Speaker 7: Right, like the same kind of like Cronius that he

609
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Speaker 7: is really interested in capturing in the whole JD bad situation.

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Speaker 1: Right, And that I think is really an important data point.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that is going on right

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Speaker 1: now is that Vance is following Harris and Walls around

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Speaker 1: while they campaign and doing press conferences, et cetera. It

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Speaker 1: seems like wildly a normal to me, But is there

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Speaker 1: some precedent for this?

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Speaker 7: I was wondering the same thing. It seems sort of

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Speaker 7: depressing or sad, especially because seems to be following them

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Speaker 7: everywhere they go, but doing a really small event just

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Speaker 7: in the same city, which well, there's a lot here actually,

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Speaker 7: And it's really interesting to me that Trump has sort

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Speaker 7: of been staying put all week. He's been in Florida

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Speaker 7: doing fundraising and interviews. He's going to have a press

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Speaker 7: conference later today. But I think that Trump has gotten

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Speaker 7: so used to his sort of non campaign style of

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Speaker 7: campaigning against Joe Biden, where he doesn't realize the amount

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Speaker 7: of effort it's going to take to actually motivate voters

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Speaker 7: in these states. He doesn't know how to campaign anymore.

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Speaker 7: He's got a lot of support obviously, but he doesn't

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Speaker 7: have the stamina, I guess. I mean that's kind of

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Speaker 7: how it seems. It seems like Trump has lost a

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Speaker 7: little bit of his stamina. And I think that just

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Speaker 7: goes to speak to well, it goes to speak to

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Speaker 7: a lot of things, but including that Trump's ground game.

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Speaker 7: It's not that he doesn't have a ground game because

635
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Speaker 7: of like a mistake, it's because he doesn't value these

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Speaker 7: campaign events. It's because he doesn't think he needs to

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Speaker 7: go out and get the vote, because Trump's plan has

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Speaker 7: ever lied in getting the vote, it lies in fomenting

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Speaker 7: claims of voter fraud. And I think ultimately that's going

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Speaker 7: to be his play in November. So I think he

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Speaker 7: knows he and Vance know with these like depressing little

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Speaker 7: rallies where Vance is giving the most hostile, awkward answers,

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Speaker 7: that like, it doesn't really matter what you do, you

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Speaker 7: just have to create the appearance that you are doing something.

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Speaker 7: But I'm not aware of any precedent where Vance would

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Speaker 7: be for whatever reason, It's like he's trailing them. It's

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Speaker 7: so weird, right exactly.

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Speaker 1: I don't white understand how this helps.

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Speaker 5: Right, I mean that I feel like that is what

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Speaker 5: I don't totally get.

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Speaker 7: I think it helps if you want Vance to be

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Speaker 7: a little gadfly who warms around Paris and Waltz and

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Speaker 7: just it's sort of there to be a foil to them,

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Speaker 7: But strategically it doesn't make tons of sense to me, right.

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Speaker 1: I think Trump feels that he has a better relationship

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Speaker 1: with the mainstream media than he does and that maybe

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Speaker 1: perhaps this will somehow appeal to journalists.

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Speaker 7: Oh, because of the whole she's not taking questions thing.

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Speaker 1: Right, and I'm your buddy, buddy, and I'm gonna go around.

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Speaker 5: Et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 7: I totally see how that could be Trump's play, but

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Speaker 7: unfortunately he picked Advance, who seems like somewhat allergic to

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Speaker 7: that's why he was selected. It almost makes no sense

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Speaker 7: in that way, Like even when he gets like softball questions,

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Speaker 7: like he got a question yesterday where somebody was like,

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Speaker 7: what makes you smile?

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Speaker 6: And he answered me.

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Speaker 5: So angrily, suck.

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Speaker 7: It was like, it makes me smile when you guys

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Speaker 7: are stupid jerks, And it's like, why would you answer that,

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Speaker 7: Like why wouldn't you say you're wife or your three

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Speaker 7: kids that you're supposedly so obsessed with, like instead, he

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Speaker 7: just is so strange.

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Speaker 5: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was an incredible moment, I thought when he said that,

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Speaker 1: And then also he said like a journalist asked him

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Speaker 1: another softball question, which was people like to have beers

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Speaker 1: with people in Wisconsin?

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Speaker 5: Why would people want have a beer with you? And

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Speaker 5: he was like, because I love to.

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Speaker 1: Drink, which again, like I'm sober since I was nineteen,

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Speaker 1: so you know, but I would think that like the

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Speaker 1: correct answer to that would be like because I love

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Speaker 1: other people. But this, again, is this Desanti's vein of

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Speaker 1: Trump is who want to use anger, but he can't

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Speaker 1: quite figure out the way to do it the way

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Speaker 1: that Trump was able to use anger in an affable way,

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Speaker 1: and these guys use it in a scale.

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Speaker 7: I totally agree. I think that something that's really present

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Speaker 7: in Bance as the president, desantists it's like simmering resentment,

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Speaker 7: and we're seeing it directed a lot at sort of

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Speaker 7: the media that's following him around. It's an unintended consequence,

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Speaker 7: like if they thought that this was going to make

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Speaker 7: the media happy. The media doesn't want to be snapped

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Speaker 7: at every day, especially when they're like throwing you softballs

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Speaker 7: about nothing. Like the beer question was so crazy because

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Speaker 7: he was like, I actually do like beer, as like

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Speaker 7: implying that as opposed to the Libs who hate beer,

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Speaker 7: Like what kind of nonsense is that?

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Speaker 1: It was a very weird answer to a very weird

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Speaker 1: question to very strange Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: I hope you will come back.

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Speaker 7: Oh absolutely, I'm really really happy that you asked me,

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Speaker 7: and I'm a big listener. My mom is a huge

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: David Day is the author of Anti Democratic Inside the

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Speaker 2: Far Rights fifty year Plot to Control American elections.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, David, Thank you for having me

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Speaker 1: tell me the story of your book and explain to

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Speaker 1: us why.

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Speaker 5: You wrote it.

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Speaker 6: This is a book about how an anti democracy faction

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Speaker 6: has hijacked the Supreme Court and the Judiciary capturing and

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Speaker 6: corrupting much of our politics and policy. The justices who

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Speaker 6: have made it harder for people of color to vote

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Speaker 6: to have handed Donald Trump immunity from prosecution for committing

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Speaker 6: crimes while in office, have taken away reproductive freedoms that

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Speaker 6: abortion rights. They owe their seats on this court to

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Speaker 6: a fifty year dark money project that the right has

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Speaker 6: been working on now for decades. It's an anti democratic

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Speaker 6: project because these are people who are fully aware that

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Speaker 6: their agenda is not supported by the majority of Americans,

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Speaker 6: that they cannot achieve it through democratic means, and so

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Speaker 6: reactionaries like Leonard Leo and the Federalist Society, they have

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Speaker 6: relied on the ideological allies that they placed on this

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Speaker 6: court to advance the economic, social, and political interests of

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Speaker 6: a narrow and wealthy and radical elite.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's right. So tell us where this starts.

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Speaker 6: I start this story back in the early nineteen seventies,

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Speaker 6: as conservatives realize that the Warren Court has been expanding rights,

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Speaker 6: that the Warren Court has been embracing the full multi

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Speaker 6: racial spirit of the Reconstruction Amendments to the Constitution and

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Speaker 6: there is a lawyer in Virginia. His name is Lewis Powell.

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Speaker 6: And Lewis Powell writes a memo for the Chamber of Commerce,

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Speaker 6: and he says, Guys, the consumer movement, the civil rights movement,

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Speaker 6: the anti Vietnam movement, the environmental movement, they are attacking

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Speaker 6: big business. They are changing America, and we have to

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Speaker 6: fight back. And Powell says that the plutocrats and big

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Speaker 6: business has got to get involved and to fight for

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Speaker 6: the courts. He says, this is the area of opportunity

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Speaker 6: if big business will invest in it. About six months later,

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Speaker 6: Richard Nixon appoints Lewis Powell himself to the US Supreme Court,

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Speaker 6: where he then is part of a handful of very

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Speaker 6: important decisions in the seventies and nineteen eighties that help

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Speaker 6: gut campaign finance reform, that help as well erode of

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Speaker 6: voting rights. These are the decisions that lead to Citizens United,

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Speaker 6: that inspire a young John Roberts on his lifelong crusade

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Speaker 6: against voting rights. But I also find another memo. A

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Speaker 6: lot of people know about the Powell memo. What I

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Speaker 6: also uncovered was the roots of the Federalist Society, written

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Speaker 6: by a man named Michael Horowitz who writes about seven

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Speaker 6: or eight years after Powell to the Scafe Foundation, one

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Speaker 6: of the big right wing conservative billionaire foundations. And what

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Speaker 6: Horowitz has to say is that Powell has some good ideas.

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Speaker 6: He created a lot of conservative architecture, that the Koch

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Speaker 6: Brothers invest in, Heritage Foundation, things like that, But he says,

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Speaker 6: we haven't done enough to try to win the hearts

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Speaker 6: and minds of a future generation. And so what Horowitz

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Speaker 6: says has to be done is the conservative legal movement

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Speaker 6: needs to move into law schools and attract the next generation.

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Speaker 6: And it's Horowitz who connects the young founders of a

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Speaker 6: group called the Federalist Society to all of these big

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Speaker 6: right wing donors. And it's Horowitz who then, as the

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Speaker 6: chief of staff for Reagan's Office of Management and Budget

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Speaker 6: in the nineteen eighties, who helps bring all of these

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Speaker 6: young Federalist Society conservatives into the administration. They begin to

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Speaker 6: populate DOJ that the Department of Justice, which becomes sort

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Speaker 6: of the intellectual hothouse of this young Federalist Society set,

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Speaker 6: especially under ed Meese, you have folks involved in the

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Speaker 6: process of picking judges, of creating originalism, not as a

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Speaker 6: theory of constitutional interpretation, but as a way for conservatives

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Speaker 6: to win policy. Originalism is sort of a trojan horse

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Speaker 6: as a way to get victories that would not have

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Speaker 6: been one otherwise. And the war on the Voting Rights Act,

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Speaker 6: which John Roberts and his allies fight from the Department

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Speaker 6: of Justice.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the war on the Voting Rights Act,

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Speaker 1: because so much of this anti democracy stuff started with

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Speaker 1: an attack unvoting rights and making it harder for people

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Speaker 1: to vote.

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Speaker 5: Explain and does where that figures into.

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Speaker 6: This, It's very prominent. I think it's at the very

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Speaker 6: heart of so much of the anti democratic spirit and

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Speaker 6: the minority rule that grips our politics right now. I think,

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Speaker 6: in many ways, the most important case and one of

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Speaker 6: the most disastrous cases that the Supreme Court has decided.

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Speaker 6: I know it's a long list recent years, but it's

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Speaker 6: going back to twenty thirteen in the Shelby County versus

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Speaker 6: Older case that really eviscerated the Voting Rights Act. When

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Speaker 6: Congress passes the Voting Rights Act, they include somely called preclearance,

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Speaker 6: which forces the states that had the worst records on

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Speaker 6: race and voting to run any change that they wanted

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Speaker 6: to make past the Department of Justice. This was a

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Speaker 6: big deal, but it was passed for a big reason

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Speaker 6: because for one hundred years prior to the passage of

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Speaker 6: the Voting Rights Act and still afterwards, there were states

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Speaker 6: that engaged in absolute insidious and devious and violent and

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Speaker 6: evil ways to get around the Reconstruction Amendment with pall

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Speaker 6: taxes and literacy tests and violence at the polls. And

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Speaker 6: so Congress knew what it was doing when it included preclearance,

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Speaker 6: and the courts backed it up time and time again.

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Speaker 6: In two thousand and six, when Congress reauthorizes the Voting

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Speaker 6: Rights Act, and it's nearly unanimous. It's three hundred and

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Speaker 6: ninety to thirty three in the House and it's ninety

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Speaker 6: eight to nothing in the Senate, signed into law by

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Speaker 6: President George W.

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Speaker 3: Bush.

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Speaker 6: But there's this sneaky undercurrent that's going on within the

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Speaker 6: Federalists society, within the conservative legal movement to try to

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Speaker 6: undercut this, not through the political process, but to use

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Speaker 6: their advantages in the courts. And so the Shelby County case,

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Speaker 6: Roberts effectively decides that, well, things have changed in the South,

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Speaker 6: and he bases this really on vibes, not on the

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Speaker 6: sixty thousand paget that Congress generates, not on the nearly

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Speaker 6: unanimous bipartisan vote, not on the decades and dozens of

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Speaker 6: hearings that have been conducted across the South on why

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Speaker 6: preclearance is still essential, how it has stopped and prevented

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Speaker 6: and cured all kinds of nefarious schemes to this day,

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Speaker 6: including elections across the South that would just be canceled

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Speaker 6: when it appeared that a black politician might win them.

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Speaker 6: There's an election in Mississippi in two thousand and one,

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Speaker 6: a mayor's race that is just canceled. This isn't happening

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Speaker 6: in nineteen fifty five or in nineteen sixty two. It's

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Speaker 6: happening in two thousand and one, right in the middle

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Speaker 6: of our electimes, right around the times that you know,

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Speaker 6: planes strike the Twin Towers. So this is modern history.

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Speaker 6: This is just a few years before the Chief Justice says, well,

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Speaker 6: you know, I think things have changed, and by ending preclearance,

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Speaker 6: what he does is unleash all of these dark forces

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Speaker 6: to really just run free. Preclarance was the prison guard,

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Speaker 6: and as soon as the prison guards took wigh. What

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Speaker 6: you see across the states that Republicans had gerrymandered is

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Speaker 6: just an onslaught of voter ID bills and precinct closures

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Speaker 6: and new laws that create longer lines in areas where

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Speaker 6: Republicans don't want people to vote. And let's face it,

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Speaker 6: all of these state legislative maps also had had to

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Speaker 6: be precleared. So the kinds of laws that are being

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Speaker 6: passed in state legislatures around the country right now on

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Speaker 6: reproductive rights, on teaching black history and schools, on so

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Speaker 6: many other things. The extreme legislation coming out of the

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Speaker 6: right in Texas and Florida and Alabama and Georgia. All

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Speaker 6: of this happening in states that had been covered by

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Speaker 6: preclearance that these maps would have had to have been precleared.

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Speaker 6: Now they don't have to be. This is the consequence

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Speaker 6: we are living in that America.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so much in this post Row America

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Speaker 1: about what it's.

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Speaker 5: Like to lose rights you have.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like the Jim Crow laws in the

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Speaker 1: South were sort of the template for what they're doing

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Speaker 1: now with voting.

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Speaker 6: I think that's right in a lot of ways, because

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Speaker 6: what you see after the Civil War Congress passes the thirteenth, fourteenth,

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Speaker 6: and fifteenth Amendments to the Constitution, and to me, these

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Speaker 6: reconstruction amendments really represent the best articulation of America's founding

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Speaker 6: vision and ideals. Those amendments are US at our absolute best,

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Speaker 6: ensuring equal protection, ensuring one person, one vote, ensuring citizenship

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Speaker 6: and a voice for everyone. But those amendments, even though

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Speaker 6: states across the South had to ratify them as a

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Speaker 6: condition for re entering the Union, they didn't last very long.

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Speaker 6: The Supreme Court, in a series of cases in the

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Speaker 6: eighteen sixties and the eighteen seventies, really began picking away

881
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Speaker 6: at those amendments and in many ways nullifying them because

882
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Speaker 6: they made it impossible for the federal government to enforce

883
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Speaker 6: those amendments in states. They said that would be an

884
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Speaker 6: encroachment on states' rights, and so many of those states

885
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Speaker 6: across the South, unsurprisingly simply did not enforce them. And

886
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Speaker 6: then the courts also said, in an echo of what

887
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Speaker 6: we see from the Roberts Court, they say, well, the

888
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 6: Civil War was a long time ago, that was a

889
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 6: decade ago. We're past that now. When we finally move

890
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Speaker 6: on and stop treating people differently, we ought to be

891
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 6: treating everyone the same. And that's the same rationale that

892
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Speaker 6: is being used now as soon as the Court limits enforcement,

893
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 6: just as the Court limited enforcement in twenty thirteen. What

894
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 6: you begin all of these new state constitutions across the South,

895
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Speaker 6: in Mississippi, in Alabama, and they enshrine white supremacy. If

896
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Speaker 6: you go back look at the documents, if you go

897
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Speaker 6: back and look at the actual transcripts of these things,

898
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 6: they say very clearly, what we are doing here is

899
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Speaker 6: enshrining white supremacy. And they come up with all kinds

900
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 6: of schemes. The white primary or at large districts, literacy

901
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 6: tests have pull texts. When that doesn't prove to be

902
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 6: quite enough, then you see lynchings and the kinds of

903
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 6: violence that would happen if black citizens dared try to

904
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Speaker 6: cast a vote. And this lasts all the way up

905
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Speaker 6: until the passage of the Voting Rights Act, right, I mean,

906
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Speaker 6: even the Civil Rights Acts of nineteen fifty seven nineteen

907
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 6: fifty nine are not enough to stop this because there

908
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 6: was no real enforcement teeth in there. The Civil Rights

909
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 6: Act forces judges in the locality where the complaint is

910
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 6: received to fix it, and that simply wasn't going to

911
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 6: happen because oftentimes those judges in this album the nineteen

912
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 6: fifties were segregationists or pals with the sheriffs, or they

913
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Speaker 6: would just make it difficult for DOJ to come in

914
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Speaker 6: and do what they wanted to do. Nineteen sixty one,

915
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Speaker 6: in Dallas County, Alabama, where Selma is, you had a

916
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Speaker 6: one percent of the black population registered to vote. By

917
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 6: the time the Voting Rights Act arrives in nineteen sixty five,

918
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Speaker 6: after victory after victory under the Civil Rights Act, it

919
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 6: was still only four percent. So you just didn't see

920
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 6: enough of actual progress until preclarance forced it into play.

921
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Speaker 6: And so when John Roberts says that things have changed

922
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Speaker 6: in the South, now, nothing has changed in the South.

923
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Speaker 6: Nothing really has changed dramatically in the South at all.

924
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Speaker 6: One hour after the Shelby County decision, Texas enacts it's

925
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Speaker 6: draconian voter ID bill that the state admits full well

926
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Speaker 6: is going to stop six hundred thousand Latinos who are

927
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Speaker 6: citizens and registered to vote from voting because they are

928
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 6: demanding specific forms of ID that they've already researched and

929
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 6: know that these voters don't have, so it's not that

930
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 6: things have changed in the South. Things are the same.

931
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Speaker 6: What is no longer the same is that there is

932
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 6: no longer a mechanism in place for the federal government

933
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Speaker 6: to prevent this kind of explicit racism.

934
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Until the MAGA judges joined the court, Roberts was able

936
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Speaker 1: to kind of make it seem as if he was

937
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: a centrist, or at least he was not quite as

938
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Speaker 1: anti voting. And even during this what we've read reported

939
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Speaker 1: about the Dobbs League, it was reported and again, I mean,

940
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: it feels like something he might want people to know

941
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: about him, right, that he was pushing back on overturning

942
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Speaker 1: Row and Da da da. Then he says he's sort

943
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Speaker 1: of worked hard to present himself as a moderate.

944
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Speaker 5: Is he really a moderate?

945
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Speaker 6: No, John Roberts has worked hard to create a myth

946
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Speaker 6: of himself as an institutional centrist. He's presented himself as

947
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 6: an umpire calling balls and strikes, something out of an

948
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 6: Indiana John Cougar song. John Roberts is the most successful

949
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 6: Republican politician of the last twenty five years. And he

950
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 6: has hidden this, and he's masked himself behind this idea

951
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 6: of being a centrist and in many ways. The institutional

952
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 6: mainstream media and the Supreme Court media has gone along

953
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 6: with this. But Roberts might not be an arsonist the

954
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 6: way that the MAGA judges are. Roberts would not burn

955
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 6: the house down. He would take it one floor piece

956
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 6: of floorboard at a time and just slowly demolish it.

957
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 6: Roberts isn't going to bash you over the head to

958
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 6: change the law. He's going to the frog and the

959
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 6: pot of boiling water and slowly turn it up until

960
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 6: the frog no longer notices it's being boiled. And that's

961
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Speaker 6: what Roberts has done on case after case after case.

962
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Speaker 6: What I try to walk through an anti democratic is

963
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 6: that Roberts does a two step on all of these cases.

964
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 6: You know, if it's the Rocky horror picture show, it's

965
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 6: a step to the right and then a jump to

966
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 6: the right. And Citizens United in Shelby County in Common

967
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 6: Cause versus Rujoe, which closed the federal courts to partisan

968
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 6: gerrymanderin claims what Roberts does is that there's always a

969
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 6: case beforehand of these which Roberts takes a small tentative

970
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 6: step in that direction and invites the next case in

971
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 6: that next case is when he really smashes it down.

972
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 6: So he does it slowly, and he often does it

973
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 6: with this deep dishonesty and disingenuousness. If you look at

974
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 6: the Shelby County case. The Shelby County case, Roberts decides this,

975
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 6: he says on a doctrine of equal sovereignty. He says

976
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 6: that there is a tradition in American politics at constitutional

977
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 6: law that all states must be treated equally. He fundamentally

978
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 6: made this up. There is oh such doctrine. There is

979
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 6: an equal footing doctrine that says that states must be

980
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 6: admitted to the Union under the same rules. But he

981
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 6: turned this into equal sovereignty. And he did so by

982
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 6: cutting out with an ellipsis and just editing away the

983
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 6: piece of the law that didn't apply to him and

984
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 6: which actually said that he was misusing it, the piece

985
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 6: that said that this has nothing to do with voting

986
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 6: or any other kinds of rights. He just cut it.

987
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 6: If you go back and look at the actual law,

988
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 6: it's the exact opposite of what John Roberts says.

989
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 3: It is.

990
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 6: You know, I mean that the US Supreme Court right

991
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 6: now has got a really low standing with the American

992
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 6: public because people think that they're just partisan actors, and

993
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 6: people are right about that. But imagine what would happen

994
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 6: if people knew that these guys are just making the

995
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 6: law up and editing it as they wish, because as

996
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 6: they can, because they can get away with.

997
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: It because there's no checks and balances on the Supreme Court.

998
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 6: Yes, this Supreme Court has really become a super legislature.

999
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 6: It's become a legislature nine with Leonard Leo and John

1000
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 6: Roberts having effectively hand picked a super majority. They have

1001
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 6: no checks and balances, no accountability. They're unelected, they have

1002
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 6: lifetime appointments, They decide cases in private. They have no

1003
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 6: ethics code. And until and unless we stand up to

1004
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 6: this and reform the court, this is the America we're

1005
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 6: going to be and it's not the America I want

1006
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 6: to be in. It's time to stand up and fight

1007
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 6: for it.

1008
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, David.

1009
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 6: My pleasure, Molly, thank you for having me.

1010
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: No moment, Rick Wilson, what is your moment of fuckery?

1011
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 4: My moment of fuckery today, Molly is Chris Losovita playing

1012
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 4: what I call the one note flute. The guy's only

1013
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 4: got one act. The guy's only got one play, and

1014
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 4: it's to try to tear down the opponent based on

1015
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 4: his patriotism and his military service. Now, look, they're going

1016
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 4: at walls in a whole bunch of different directions, But

1017
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 4: the two that I find the most insane are trying

1018
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 4: to say that a guy that served in the National

1019
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 4: Guard for twenty four years and who the Minnesota National

1020
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 4: Guard says he put in his paperwork to retire ten

1021
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 4: months before that, he is somehow a traitor to the country.

1022
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 4: Go fuck yourself, is my answer on that one. That

1023
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 4: is some weapons grade bullshit, And a lot of their

1024
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 4: other attacks are falling apart already, Like it turns out

1025
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 4: the law that he signed doesn't require tampons in boys' bathrooms,

1026
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 4: which is synth the magas man. They are having all

1027
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 4: kinds of weird feelings about this one. They're like having

1028
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 4: all kinds of like conflicted, like don't look at me,

1029
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 4: I might have a woody feelings about it.

1030
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 3: They can't quite sort out their hatreds.

1031
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: We're getting the pure unadulter, righted Rick Wilson here continue.

1032
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 4: You are getting the pure Rick Wilson this morning. I

1033
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 4: am Liddy MC litt. This entire attack on walls is

1034
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 4: going to fail, and I'll tell you why, because we

1035
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 4: talked about it earlier. Every time you want to make

1036
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 4: that attack, the Democrats shouldn't be playing defense on walls.

1037
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 4: They should be going right back at Colonel Pussy von

1038
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 4: bone spurs. And that is the way Democrats, that is

1039
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 4: the way.

1040
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 5: I just said yes to something. Maybe I'm dirty.

1041
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 4: I trust me, Molly, trust me Mally. As I've told you,

1042
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 4: we are uncancellable.

1043
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but yes, I think it's

1044
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: a really good point. And again it's this coverage that

1045
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 1: don't let Trump say the lion checked, don't let Trump

1046
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: drive the narrative. He is a bad faith actor. And

1047
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: you saw it yesterday when he said I have a

1048
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: debate on Fox News. Right that debate was he wants

1049
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: her to go to Fox News because that's his propaganda arm.

1050
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:47,479
Speaker 1: And remember at the Black Journalism Association conference we had

1051
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: Harris Faulkner, who wasn't even a member of the association.

1052
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: So Trump wants his people in there to juice it

1053
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: for him, and don't let him.

1054
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: Cheat exactly exactly.

1055
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 4: And I believe that there's a moral obligation in this thing,

1056
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 4: and I know a lot of folks in the press.

1057
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 3: They react very very badly.

1058
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 4: To what they think is lecturing and what they think

1059
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 4: is hostility towards journalism or media, which I think you

1060
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 4: and I can safely say that our lives prove that

1061
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 4: we are not hostile to journalism or media and in

1062
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 4: fact value it tremendously. But this idea that we're going

1063
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 4: to let Trump play the same game he played before

1064
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 4: with a terrifying and terrible consequence to this country is

1065
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 4: deeply disturbing to me.

1066
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 5: Thank you, Rick Wilson any time.

1067
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 3: Talk to you later.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the best minds

1070
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,200
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1071
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1072
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