1 00:00:15,316 --> 00:00:27,116 Speaker 1: Pushkin, previously on deep cover. By the late spring of 2 00:00:27,196 --> 00:00:30,836 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, Ned Timmins was deep into his investigation 3 00:00:30,916 --> 00:00:34,276 Speaker 1: of the drug smugglers. One of the three major players, 4 00:00:34,396 --> 00:00:38,276 Speaker 1: the Gentleman Smuggler, was now behind bars, but Ned was 5 00:00:38,316 --> 00:00:41,756 Speaker 1: still on a mission to get Mike Vogel, the grocery guy. 6 00:00:42,276 --> 00:00:44,396 Speaker 1: I had it in such a way, did I really 7 00:00:44,436 --> 00:00:50,556 Speaker 1: control the marijuana industry in Michigan. His other target was 8 00:00:50,636 --> 00:00:55,116 Speaker 1: Lee Rich mister beach club. I'm the boss, Okay. I 9 00:00:55,316 --> 00:00:58,276 Speaker 1: called the shots. If they wanted to load, or if 10 00:00:58,276 --> 00:01:00,476 Speaker 1: I was going to load something, I could secure the boat, 11 00:01:00,556 --> 00:01:04,996 Speaker 1: playing whatever. But for now Ned couldn't do much about 12 00:01:05,036 --> 00:01:07,596 Speaker 1: the case because in the fall of that year, his 13 00:01:07,756 --> 00:01:10,676 Speaker 1: cover was blown and there'd been a threat on his life. 14 00:01:11,196 --> 00:01:14,436 Speaker 1: So the FBI sent Ned and his wife Kathy off 15 00:01:14,436 --> 00:01:17,676 Speaker 1: to northern Michigan to hide together. They had to sit 16 00:01:17,796 --> 00:01:22,116 Speaker 1: quietly and wait it out. This is not any kind 17 00:01:22,156 --> 00:01:26,756 Speaker 1: of a life that I want to lead. This isn't 18 00:01:26,796 --> 00:01:33,916 Speaker 1: what any of us signed up for. For Kathy Timmins, 19 00:01:33,956 --> 00:01:37,516 Speaker 1: going into hiding wasn't just scary. She had her own work, 20 00:01:37,636 --> 00:01:40,076 Speaker 1: her own career at the FBI that she now had 21 00:01:40,076 --> 00:01:43,556 Speaker 1: to put on hold. She was tired of Ned's undercover 22 00:01:43,676 --> 00:01:48,036 Speaker 1: persona Ed Thomas, messing everything up. Oh. I was very angry. 23 00:01:48,076 --> 00:01:51,676 Speaker 1: I was very upset. I was scared, you know. And 24 00:01:51,676 --> 00:01:53,836 Speaker 1: then I just had to let it be, let it go, 25 00:01:54,076 --> 00:01:58,036 Speaker 1: just be up there and sit and wait to make 26 00:01:58,116 --> 00:02:01,236 Speaker 1: matters worse. She didn't feel well. I thought I was 27 00:02:01,276 --> 00:02:03,836 Speaker 1: sick or something, or maybe just really really tired, because 28 00:02:03,836 --> 00:02:05,956 Speaker 1: I just kept falling asleep. And then I started feeling 29 00:02:05,956 --> 00:02:08,516 Speaker 1: the queasiness and everything, and I thought, oh, maybe I 30 00:02:08,596 --> 00:02:12,636 Speaker 1: got pregnant. After being in hiding for about three weeks, 31 00:02:12,796 --> 00:02:15,876 Speaker 1: the FBI calls and tells Nedd and Kathy the coast 32 00:02:15,996 --> 00:02:18,636 Speaker 1: is clear. They had caught the bikers who had planned 33 00:02:18,636 --> 00:02:21,756 Speaker 1: to kill Ned. So Ned and Cathy come out of hiding. 34 00:02:22,036 --> 00:02:25,396 Speaker 1: They go home. Kathy, who's still not feeling well, visits 35 00:02:25,436 --> 00:02:30,036 Speaker 1: the doctor and learns she is pregnant. In a way, 36 00:02:30,196 --> 00:02:33,556 Speaker 1: the timing wasn't ideal. Their lives had just been turned 37 00:02:33,676 --> 00:02:37,436 Speaker 1: upside down, and yet Kathy took this as a sign 38 00:02:38,476 --> 00:02:40,596 Speaker 1: like God meant it to be, because we had been 39 00:02:40,636 --> 00:02:43,676 Speaker 1: married for how many years by then, and I had 40 00:02:43,676 --> 00:02:46,636 Speaker 1: never gotten pregnant, and I never did anything not to 41 00:02:46,676 --> 00:02:49,076 Speaker 1: get pregnant. So I just thought, oh, okay. You know 42 00:02:49,356 --> 00:02:52,516 Speaker 1: I'm Catholic. You know, it's like, okay, this is meant 43 00:02:52,516 --> 00:02:56,436 Speaker 1: to be. Now. All she had to do was tell Ned. 44 00:02:57,356 --> 00:03:02,796 Speaker 1: I thought that he would be thrilled and that this 45 00:03:02,876 --> 00:03:06,116 Speaker 1: would really help to bring a closure to all of 46 00:03:06,156 --> 00:03:10,556 Speaker 1: this craziness with this undercover work. I asked, Ned, what 47 00:03:10,636 --> 00:03:13,316 Speaker 1: were your thoughts about having kids? Given the nature of 48 00:03:13,356 --> 00:03:18,476 Speaker 1: your work, it wasn't time. Did you think you ever 49 00:03:18,516 --> 00:03:20,996 Speaker 1: wanted to have kids? You know, I really didn't give 50 00:03:20,996 --> 00:03:24,516 Speaker 1: it much thought, you know, I was just consumed by 51 00:03:24,596 --> 00:03:28,476 Speaker 1: work and what we were doing. So when you get 52 00:03:28,476 --> 00:03:31,836 Speaker 1: back from this trip to northern Michigan and she's like, 53 00:03:32,156 --> 00:03:38,796 Speaker 1: I'm pregnant, what is your reaction? Well, yeah, it's just well, 54 00:03:38,836 --> 00:03:48,356 Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna roll with it. You know. I'm 55 00:03:48,436 --> 00:03:54,276 Speaker 1: Jake Halper and this is Deep Cover Episode seven. The 56 00:03:54,396 --> 00:04:25,076 Speaker 1: honeymoon is over. After he comes out of hiding, Ned 57 00:04:25,196 --> 00:04:27,956 Speaker 1: is back working on his case against Lee rich Mister 58 00:04:28,116 --> 00:04:31,316 Speaker 1: Beach Club, but for the time being, there was no 59 00:04:31,436 --> 00:04:34,956 Speaker 1: easy way for Ned or the FBI to apprehend Lee. 60 00:04:35,716 --> 00:04:39,716 Speaker 1: Extraditions from the Caymans were rare, plus, Ned says down 61 00:04:39,716 --> 00:04:43,436 Speaker 1: on the Caymans. Lee was kind of a robin Hood figure, 62 00:04:43,756 --> 00:04:48,596 Speaker 1: a beloved outlaw. Lee was the robin Hood who had 63 00:04:48,636 --> 00:04:50,516 Speaker 1: taken care of all the bankers and all the people 64 00:04:50,556 --> 00:04:55,356 Speaker 1: on the island and buried friends and relatives and paid 65 00:04:55,396 --> 00:04:58,636 Speaker 1: for everybody's expenses. He had a big heart, and he 66 00:04:58,716 --> 00:05:01,796 Speaker 1: took care of a lot of people, and it would 67 00:05:01,836 --> 00:05:05,436 Speaker 1: have been probably impossible to get him extradited out of there. 68 00:05:06,236 --> 00:05:09,396 Speaker 1: So on the one hand, Ned was frustrated that he 69 00:05:09,396 --> 00:05:13,636 Speaker 1: couldn't apprehend Lee, but he also knew that Lee was 70 00:05:13,876 --> 00:05:16,676 Speaker 1: kind of trapped, and he knew this because of a 71 00:05:16,716 --> 00:05:19,716 Speaker 1: conversation that they'd had when they were in the Caymans together. 72 00:05:20,396 --> 00:05:23,476 Speaker 1: We had always talked alone a lot, and I just 73 00:05:23,836 --> 00:05:26,156 Speaker 1: turned him one day. We're probably having a drink or something. 74 00:05:26,236 --> 00:05:28,836 Speaker 1: I said, Lee, why don't you get the hell out 75 00:05:28,836 --> 00:05:33,836 Speaker 1: of us? Just quit And Lee said I can't. They'll 76 00:05:33,916 --> 00:05:39,436 Speaker 1: kill me. And I believe he meant the Columbians would 77 00:05:39,596 --> 00:05:44,876 Speaker 1: kill him. Lee was on the hook for a million 78 00:05:44,916 --> 00:05:48,596 Speaker 1: pounds of marijuana that he'd ordered from the Colombians. And that, 79 00:05:48,836 --> 00:05:53,156 Speaker 1: by the way, is he shitload of marijuana. Look, this 80 00:05:53,196 --> 00:05:55,636 Speaker 1: isn't an exact science, but I talked to was a 81 00:05:55,676 --> 00:05:59,116 Speaker 1: smuggler who once saw this much weed down in Colombia 82 00:05:59,196 --> 00:06:04,356 Speaker 1: and he described it as a quote fucking mountain end quote. 83 00:06:04,396 --> 00:06:07,116 Speaker 1: He actually built a small fort up on top of 84 00:06:07,156 --> 00:06:12,356 Speaker 1: it and slept there. So you get the idea. Lee 85 00:06:12,396 --> 00:06:15,756 Speaker 1: was under pressure to move that much marijuana. And remember 86 00:06:16,116 --> 00:06:20,716 Speaker 1: Lee's go to guy, Stephen Kaylish, the Gentleman's smuggler. He 87 00:06:20,836 --> 00:06:24,196 Speaker 1: was in custody at this point, so Lee pushed ahead 88 00:06:24,396 --> 00:06:27,316 Speaker 1: without his star smuggler, tried to move at least some 89 00:06:27,396 --> 00:06:29,956 Speaker 1: of it. He arranged for a tug boat to to 90 00:06:30,036 --> 00:06:32,996 Speaker 1: a barge with one hundred and sixty five thousand pounds 91 00:06:32,996 --> 00:06:36,036 Speaker 1: of pot on it up to Virginia. The boat was 92 00:06:36,076 --> 00:06:39,956 Speaker 1: intercepted by the US Coastguard and the cargo was confiscated. 93 00:06:40,716 --> 00:06:46,436 Speaker 1: It was a total disaster. It's all scrapped. It was done. 94 00:06:46,476 --> 00:06:50,116 Speaker 1: You know, at this point, Lee is finally feeling ready 95 00:06:50,156 --> 00:06:52,956 Speaker 1: to just get out of the business. You know, I 96 00:06:53,076 --> 00:06:55,156 Speaker 1: was just I was tired of it. I didn't need it, 97 00:06:56,076 --> 00:06:57,876 Speaker 1: And I blame a lot of that on myself for 98 00:06:58,036 --> 00:07:00,636 Speaker 1: not being strong enough to tell people I don't want 99 00:07:00,676 --> 00:07:04,116 Speaker 1: to do this, I'm done. It was a moment of 100 00:07:04,156 --> 00:07:07,716 Speaker 1: reckoning for Lee. Remember from the very start. Lie says 101 00:07:07,756 --> 00:07:10,516 Speaker 1: he'd gotten into the marijuana business so he could chill 102 00:07:10,556 --> 00:07:17,196 Speaker 1: with his buddies, non violent beach guys, you know, lived 103 00:07:17,236 --> 00:07:22,916 Speaker 1: on the beach to surf and fish and never hurt anybody. Okay. 104 00:07:23,436 --> 00:07:26,636 Speaker 1: Even as his business grew and he became really wealthy, 105 00:07:27,116 --> 00:07:30,556 Speaker 1: this was still his credo. He had the yacht which 106 00:07:30,556 --> 00:07:33,356 Speaker 1: the queen borrowed, and the beach club, but the funny 107 00:07:33,436 --> 00:07:36,716 Speaker 1: parrot and the cool house that rock stars came to visit. 108 00:07:37,996 --> 00:07:41,276 Speaker 1: It had been fun for a long time until suddenly, 109 00:07:41,476 --> 00:07:48,436 Speaker 1: well it really wasn't anymore. And then, as if this 110 00:07:48,476 --> 00:07:53,356 Speaker 1: weren't already perfectly clear, Alvin Connor came knocking. I know 111 00:07:53,596 --> 00:07:57,716 Speaker 1: Lee rich. For years Alvin was the chief Inspector of 112 00:07:57,796 --> 00:08:01,476 Speaker 1: narcotics for the Cayman Island Police Force back in the eighties. 113 00:08:02,236 --> 00:08:04,956 Speaker 1: Were used to search all his private plea and you 114 00:08:05,076 --> 00:08:10,636 Speaker 1: come in eer week two three time were all these girls? 115 00:08:11,436 --> 00:08:15,236 Speaker 1: Pretty girls used to bring. Alvin says he had suspected 116 00:08:15,276 --> 00:08:17,756 Speaker 1: for a while that Lee might be involved in the 117 00:08:17,876 --> 00:08:22,956 Speaker 1: drug trade. Nothing solid, just chatter, which isn't surprising this 118 00:08:23,036 --> 00:08:27,276 Speaker 1: was a small island. Inevitably people talked. Alvin says, he 119 00:08:27,356 --> 00:08:30,556 Speaker 1: searched Lee's private plane and number of times, but never 120 00:08:30,596 --> 00:08:34,636 Speaker 1: found any drugs. But then one day in January of 121 00:08:34,716 --> 00:08:37,836 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six, about six months after Ned had left 122 00:08:37,836 --> 00:08:40,756 Speaker 1: the island, Alvin says he got a tip which led 123 00:08:40,836 --> 00:08:43,396 Speaker 1: him to believe that Lee might have some drugs at 124 00:08:43,436 --> 00:08:49,516 Speaker 1: his house. This was all that Alvin needed, just a lead, 125 00:08:49,756 --> 00:08:53,236 Speaker 1: a whiff of something, because on the island, Alvin had 126 00:08:53,276 --> 00:08:57,276 Speaker 1: a reputation for chasing assent. If can't you see me 127 00:08:57,396 --> 00:09:00,876 Speaker 1: come in to see the dog is here? You called 128 00:09:00,876 --> 00:09:03,556 Speaker 1: me the dog? Wait? Why do they call you the dog? 129 00:09:04,196 --> 00:09:08,756 Speaker 1: Mar Juanna, I smell it. They say that I smell it. 130 00:09:08,756 --> 00:09:11,956 Speaker 1: If day I'm gonna find it. They called me the 131 00:09:12,116 --> 00:09:16,596 Speaker 1: dog to see the dog? Come, no, and the dog. 132 00:09:17,036 --> 00:09:19,516 Speaker 1: He was coming for Lee. He didn't know about Ned 133 00:09:19,596 --> 00:09:23,396 Speaker 1: Timmins or the FBI investigation. He just wanted to bust 134 00:09:23,516 --> 00:09:28,716 Speaker 1: Lee rich. So he heads over to Lee's house. I say, 135 00:09:28,756 --> 00:09:32,796 Speaker 1: we're here to look for drogs. Alvin says. He searches 136 00:09:32,836 --> 00:09:35,836 Speaker 1: the room and finds about an ounce of cocaine. He 137 00:09:35,916 --> 00:09:41,476 Speaker 1: arrestedly on the spot for drug possession. Lee says the 138 00:09:41,596 --> 00:09:45,516 Speaker 1: whole thing was a setup. They planted a two or 139 00:09:45,596 --> 00:09:48,876 Speaker 1: three grams or coke in my house and came in 140 00:09:48,956 --> 00:09:51,916 Speaker 1: and raided the house. My mother's in the house, and 141 00:09:52,036 --> 00:09:54,476 Speaker 1: I think I had about eight people staying in the 142 00:09:54,476 --> 00:09:57,876 Speaker 1: house at that time. So it was a big scene 143 00:09:57,876 --> 00:10:00,676 Speaker 1: when they took Lee away in handcuffs. The whole thing 144 00:10:00,716 --> 00:10:03,596 Speaker 1: was upsetting for Lee, in part because his mom was there. 145 00:10:03,916 --> 00:10:08,316 Speaker 1: She started making a fuss, and Alvin confronted her. I say, 146 00:10:07,996 --> 00:10:12,156 Speaker 1: if I'll shut your mouth, I rescue you and jadge 147 00:10:12,236 --> 00:10:16,596 Speaker 1: rob structing police officer saw. I rescue you and charge 148 00:10:16,676 --> 00:10:19,916 Speaker 1: you and charge you for the school keen too. The 149 00:10:20,036 --> 00:10:23,076 Speaker 1: message to Lee seemed to be clear, I'm not afraid 150 00:10:23,076 --> 00:10:25,476 Speaker 1: of you. I'll mess with your mom if need be. 151 00:10:31,356 --> 00:10:34,276 Speaker 1: Alvin took Lee down to the police station, booked him, 152 00:10:34,516 --> 00:10:37,396 Speaker 1: locked him up, but soon Lee got out on bail 153 00:10:37,636 --> 00:10:41,676 Speaker 1: around five thousand dollars. That's the amount that Alvin recalls anyway, 154 00:10:41,996 --> 00:10:46,396 Speaker 1: which was nothing to Lee. Yeah, you were like a king, 155 00:10:47,276 --> 00:10:50,996 Speaker 1: big shot, like a big shot, and nobody could touch him. 156 00:10:51,036 --> 00:10:53,476 Speaker 1: He tells Lee, if the judge you won't let you 157 00:10:53,516 --> 00:10:55,756 Speaker 1: go down, he based that boy, gonna do my job 158 00:10:56,916 --> 00:10:59,636 Speaker 1: for Lee. The biggest fallout from all of this was 159 00:10:59,636 --> 00:11:02,316 Speaker 1: that he had to give up his passport. The police 160 00:11:02,316 --> 00:11:05,116 Speaker 1: claimed that he was a flight risk, so they insisted 161 00:11:05,156 --> 00:11:07,916 Speaker 1: that he'd leave his passport with them at the station, 162 00:11:08,356 --> 00:11:10,316 Speaker 1: so he'd have to go and ask for a back 163 00:11:10,436 --> 00:11:13,876 Speaker 1: if you ever wanted to leave the island. Lee was 164 00:11:13,956 --> 00:11:17,716 Speaker 1: beginning to feel trapped. Around the same time, he was 165 00:11:17,836 --> 00:11:20,676 Speaker 1: hanging out at a local bar on Grand Cayman when 166 00:11:20,676 --> 00:11:23,116 Speaker 1: he bumps into a guy he knows who works for 167 00:11:23,156 --> 00:11:27,076 Speaker 1: Scotland Yard. Lee buys him a drink and he goes rich. 168 00:11:27,436 --> 00:11:30,436 Speaker 1: He goes, I'm I'm gonna tell you something. Goes. Don't 169 00:11:30,436 --> 00:11:33,716 Speaker 1: take your boat out past twelve miles, don't go out 170 00:11:33,756 --> 00:11:37,276 Speaker 1: on the bank fish, and don't leave the island. They're 171 00:11:37,276 --> 00:11:40,636 Speaker 1: trying to get you on a coastguard cutter or something 172 00:11:40,716 --> 00:11:43,236 Speaker 1: off a Cayman, he said. And I'm just telling you 173 00:11:43,316 --> 00:11:46,276 Speaker 1: that because you're a decent guy. It seemed like the 174 00:11:46,356 --> 00:11:50,396 Speaker 1: walls were really closing in on Lee. Now his business partner, 175 00:11:50,556 --> 00:11:54,076 Speaker 1: the gentleman smuggler, was in jail and quite possibly talking 176 00:11:54,076 --> 00:11:57,836 Speaker 1: to US authorities. The dog was pursuing him on the island, 177 00:11:58,156 --> 00:12:01,276 Speaker 1: and now the Scotland Yard guy was telling him don't 178 00:12:01,316 --> 00:12:04,196 Speaker 1: take your boat too far off shore. So I knew 179 00:12:04,236 --> 00:12:07,436 Speaker 1: then from what he told me that night, They're really 180 00:12:07,476 --> 00:12:11,956 Speaker 1: onto my ass. Okay, and I started making arrangements. I 181 00:12:12,036 --> 00:12:15,636 Speaker 1: was going to leave, and I was going to Europe, 182 00:12:16,316 --> 00:12:21,036 Speaker 1: to Portugal. Actually, Lee's grandfather was Portuguese, and he figured 183 00:12:21,076 --> 00:12:23,836 Speaker 1: if he could get there, he might use that familial 184 00:12:23,876 --> 00:12:26,876 Speaker 1: connection to get his status as a resident. He thought 185 00:12:26,876 --> 00:12:30,356 Speaker 1: he'd be safe there. So in May of nineteen eighty six, 186 00:12:30,676 --> 00:12:33,436 Speaker 1: a full year after Ned first visited Lee in the Caymans, 187 00:12:33,796 --> 00:12:37,276 Speaker 1: Lee got ready to make his escape, and then this 188 00:12:37,436 --> 00:12:39,676 Speaker 1: chance would have it, Lee got a visit from a 189 00:12:39,756 --> 00:12:48,596 Speaker 1: friend which derailed everything. And that friend was Tommy Lee Base, 190 00:12:49,276 --> 00:13:06,596 Speaker 1: you know, from Motley Crue. Lee Rich was about to 191 00:13:06,636 --> 00:13:11,436 Speaker 1: flee the Cayman Islands, but he had a scheduling conflict. 192 00:13:11,756 --> 00:13:15,836 Speaker 1: A buddy was coming to town, Tommy Lee Basse, founding 193 00:13:15,916 --> 00:13:20,036 Speaker 1: member of the band Motley Crue. In the mid nineteen eighties, 194 00:13:20,436 --> 00:13:23,636 Speaker 1: Tommy Lee and his bandmate Nicki six were the bad 195 00:13:23,676 --> 00:13:26,596 Speaker 1: boys at the heavy metal world. I remember you feel 196 00:13:26,676 --> 00:13:28,956 Speaker 1: for the last time you motherfucker's liked the party? Is 197 00:13:28,956 --> 00:13:38,196 Speaker 1: that true? Well, if you're a perverse fuck yeah, I 198 00:13:38,436 --> 00:13:41,356 Speaker 1: fucking knew it. I just knew it. Tommy Lee and 199 00:13:41,396 --> 00:13:43,556 Speaker 1: his bandmates had come to visit the Caymans a few 200 00:13:43,596 --> 00:13:47,436 Speaker 1: times before. Turns out the band's manager, Doc McGee, was 201 00:13:47,476 --> 00:13:53,796 Speaker 1: one of Lee's investors. They all got along famously. Tommy 202 00:13:53,796 --> 00:13:56,036 Speaker 1: even wrote about the first time that he'd met Lee 203 00:13:56,316 --> 00:13:59,716 Speaker 1: in Motley Crue's memoir The Dirt. Here's a clip from 204 00:13:59,756 --> 00:14:02,076 Speaker 1: the audio book and just a heads up. For some reason, 205 00:14:02,356 --> 00:14:07,036 Speaker 1: the narrator calls Lee Leigh. Anyway, Lay walked into the 206 00:14:07,116 --> 00:14:10,756 Speaker 1: doc's rental house with a Natashak case. The first words 207 00:14:10,756 --> 00:14:14,116 Speaker 1: we spoke to him were gimme, gimme, gimme, because we 208 00:14:14,236 --> 00:14:17,396 Speaker 1: knew what was in that fucking attache case. Mountains of 209 00:14:17,436 --> 00:14:20,796 Speaker 1: white powder to stuff up our noses. Lay opened the 210 00:14:20,836 --> 00:14:24,036 Speaker 1: case and gave us a little rock. In the memoir, 211 00:14:24,236 --> 00:14:27,516 Speaker 1: Lee then shuts his briefcase, locks it, winks and tells 212 00:14:27,516 --> 00:14:30,876 Speaker 1: them if they can open the combination lock, Tommy can 213 00:14:30,996 --> 00:14:33,796 Speaker 1: have the rest of it. We were so coked out 214 00:14:33,836 --> 00:14:36,396 Speaker 1: that we actually thought we were coming up with every 215 00:14:36,396 --> 00:14:41,116 Speaker 1: single permutation of three numbers. Finally, I went into the kitchen, 216 00:14:41,156 --> 00:14:43,236 Speaker 1: grabbed a butcher knife and cut the top of lace 217 00:14:43,316 --> 00:14:47,476 Speaker 1: thousand dollars leather briefcase, glittering inside like white gold were 218 00:14:47,516 --> 00:14:52,276 Speaker 1: fucking dozens of huge plastic bags filled with coke. So 219 00:14:52,356 --> 00:14:55,076 Speaker 1: there you have it. An epic drug dealer, an epic 220 00:14:55,156 --> 00:14:58,956 Speaker 1: rock star who loved drugs. It was a friendship made 221 00:14:58,956 --> 00:15:07,236 Speaker 1: in heaven. Tommy wasn't traveling to the Caymans alone. He 222 00:15:07,396 --> 00:15:09,396 Speaker 1: was coming with the latest love of his life life, 223 00:15:09,716 --> 00:15:13,516 Speaker 1: the actress Heather Locklear. She'd started in a few hit 224 00:15:13,556 --> 00:15:16,716 Speaker 1: TV shows like Dynasty and t J. Hooker, where she 225 00:15:16,796 --> 00:15:19,836 Speaker 1: played a rookie cop who once even goes under cover 226 00:15:19,916 --> 00:15:23,116 Speaker 1: herself as a call girl. Yeah, hook where are she 227 00:15:23,116 --> 00:15:25,796 Speaker 1: supposed to wear? Her water and my trick bag? An 228 00:15:25,796 --> 00:15:28,516 Speaker 1: alcol girl never parts with her trick bag. Don't get 229 00:15:28,516 --> 00:15:30,796 Speaker 1: any ideas about helping me on with it. It's fine, 230 00:15:30,876 --> 00:15:34,756 Speaker 1: just where it is. Heather and Tommy. They'd met backstage 231 00:15:34,756 --> 00:15:38,996 Speaker 1: in an Ario Speedwagon concert. Their relationship would become fodder 232 00:15:39,036 --> 00:15:42,156 Speaker 1: for e Hollywood. The bad boy of rock had found 233 00:15:42,276 --> 00:15:45,516 Speaker 1: his princess. Tommy was now living the life he had famed, 234 00:15:45,516 --> 00:15:48,116 Speaker 1: fortune and love. The happy couple left for a three 235 00:15:48,156 --> 00:15:51,596 Speaker 1: week honeymoon in the Cayman Islands. Tommy was coming to 236 00:15:51,716 --> 00:15:54,836 Speaker 1: visit to spend his honeymoon on the Cayman Islands, seeing 237 00:15:54,876 --> 00:15:58,556 Speaker 1: his good buddy, Lee, the guy with the magic suitcase. 238 00:16:00,316 --> 00:16:04,756 Speaker 1: Listall remembers just how excited Tommy was heaves head over 239 00:16:04,796 --> 00:16:07,516 Speaker 1: heels on this girl. He said, I really want to 240 00:16:07,556 --> 00:16:09,596 Speaker 1: come back here and spend my honey, and I said, 241 00:16:09,676 --> 00:16:12,756 Speaker 1: don't worry, I'll take care of you. You know, Lee 242 00:16:12,836 --> 00:16:15,876 Speaker 1: could have told him, no, the timing's bad, man, My 243 00:16:15,956 --> 00:16:19,236 Speaker 1: drug empire is falling apart. I may soon be imprisoned. 244 00:16:19,796 --> 00:16:23,676 Speaker 1: But that was just not mister Beach Club's style. His 245 00:16:23,836 --> 00:16:26,516 Speaker 1: buddy was coming to town, so his escape plan to 246 00:16:26,556 --> 00:16:29,476 Speaker 1: Portugal would just have to wait. Lee arrange for a 247 00:16:29,556 --> 00:16:33,036 Speaker 1: nice condo on the beach for Tommy and Heather, and 248 00:16:33,636 --> 00:16:36,036 Speaker 1: I got a call the next day after leaving him 249 00:16:36,036 --> 00:16:39,476 Speaker 1: there that night from the manager of the condo asked 250 00:16:39,516 --> 00:16:42,436 Speaker 1: me to remove them from the property, both of them, 251 00:16:42,516 --> 00:16:44,676 Speaker 1: because they were up all night running up and down 252 00:16:44,716 --> 00:16:48,996 Speaker 1: in the parking out high on whatever. Not a huge surprise. 253 00:16:49,436 --> 00:16:51,716 Speaker 1: From the Motley Crewe memoir, you get a sense for 254 00:16:51,756 --> 00:16:56,276 Speaker 1: how Tommy partied. Gimme, gimme, gimme, so Lee, he moves 255 00:16:56,316 --> 00:17:02,516 Speaker 1: the couple to another condo, but the situation doesn't get 256 00:17:02,556 --> 00:17:05,916 Speaker 1: any better. It was one big headache for Lee. So 257 00:17:06,076 --> 00:17:09,436 Speaker 1: they decide, let's go to Jamaica. It'll be better over there. 258 00:17:09,996 --> 00:17:13,556 Speaker 1: Lee books them some villas, makes all the arrangements, and 259 00:17:13,596 --> 00:17:16,276 Speaker 1: he decides that this trip to Jamaica will be the 260 00:17:16,396 --> 00:17:19,996 Speaker 1: perfect excuse to run for it. So he goes to 261 00:17:19,996 --> 00:17:23,076 Speaker 1: the Cayman Police and somehow or another manages to get 262 00:17:23,076 --> 00:17:26,076 Speaker 1: his passport back. Lee says he's just flying with some 263 00:17:26,156 --> 00:17:29,556 Speaker 1: friends to Jamaica for a mini vacation, but his real 264 00:17:29,636 --> 00:17:33,276 Speaker 1: plan is to keep going to London and then onto Portugal. 265 00:17:33,716 --> 00:17:36,716 Speaker 1: So he packs a briefcase with some pocket money thirty 266 00:17:36,716 --> 00:17:39,956 Speaker 1: thousand in cash, and boards a plane with Tommy and 267 00:17:40,076 --> 00:17:46,156 Speaker 1: Heather from Montego Bay, Jamaica. That night, when we flew 268 00:17:46,196 --> 00:17:50,236 Speaker 1: to Mobay. When I come off the airplane, one of 269 00:17:50,236 --> 00:17:53,076 Speaker 1: the girls from the counter, does she call me by 270 00:17:53,076 --> 00:17:57,356 Speaker 1: my name? She goes Lee. I looked at her two 271 00:17:57,396 --> 00:18:01,916 Speaker 1: agents waiting on you inside the customs area. There two 272 00:18:02,076 --> 00:18:06,996 Speaker 1: agents and like that, Lee understood had to be the FEDS. 273 00:18:07,036 --> 00:18:10,316 Speaker 1: Somehow they'd been tipped off. What Lee didn't know at 274 00:18:10,356 --> 00:18:12,956 Speaker 1: the time was that the FBI had a source who 275 00:18:12,996 --> 00:18:17,076 Speaker 1: knew about his trip and ratted him out, and now 276 00:18:17,236 --> 00:18:20,316 Speaker 1: here he was on the ground at the Montego Bay Airport, 277 00:18:20,716 --> 00:18:25,636 Speaker 1: walking right into a trap. Here's Tommy's got up one 278 00:18:25,676 --> 00:18:30,636 Speaker 1: of these boomboxes. Okay, up on his shoulder, and he's 279 00:18:30,716 --> 00:18:34,436 Speaker 1: jagging at around holler and he's dragging this Heather with him. Okay, 280 00:18:34,836 --> 00:18:39,956 Speaker 1: going ahead of me, and so I went behind him, 281 00:18:40,156 --> 00:18:43,796 Speaker 1: went into customs, and sure enough those agents came up 282 00:18:43,796 --> 00:18:47,396 Speaker 1: to me. Tommy made us started confronting him too. You know, hey, 283 00:18:47,436 --> 00:18:50,716 Speaker 1: what he hadn't done anything, you know, and so they've 284 00:18:50,876 --> 00:18:55,156 Speaker 1: threatened to arrest him, and that was the end of that. 285 00:18:55,956 --> 00:18:58,796 Speaker 1: Tommy and Heather went one way, and the two FBI 286 00:18:58,876 --> 00:19:01,796 Speaker 1: agents escorted Lee out of the airport and into a 287 00:19:01,796 --> 00:19:09,476 Speaker 1: car where a Jamaican police officer was waiting for them. 288 00:19:09,516 --> 00:19:11,876 Speaker 1: They then all head to the hotel where the FBI 289 00:19:11,956 --> 00:19:15,676 Speaker 1: agents were staying so they could grab their stuff. We 290 00:19:15,836 --> 00:19:20,276 Speaker 1: go to the hotel and the two agents get out 291 00:19:20,316 --> 00:19:22,436 Speaker 1: of the car and we're sitting in the parking lot. 292 00:19:22,476 --> 00:19:25,596 Speaker 1: I'm in there with this cop and the cop that 293 00:19:25,756 --> 00:19:28,636 Speaker 1: was in the front seat driving us. He was one 294 00:19:28,636 --> 00:19:31,716 Speaker 1: of the cops I used to pay off. And I said, listen, 295 00:19:31,756 --> 00:19:33,516 Speaker 1: you don't you remember who I am? You know who 296 00:19:33,556 --> 00:19:35,756 Speaker 1: I am? So he goes I can't help you, Rich, 297 00:19:36,676 --> 00:19:39,436 Speaker 1: I said, I'll never forget it. So you know, I 298 00:19:39,516 --> 00:19:41,716 Speaker 1: was kind of threatening him, and I said, all I 299 00:19:41,756 --> 00:19:43,916 Speaker 1: gotta do is let me run. He goes, I can't 300 00:19:43,956 --> 00:19:47,556 Speaker 1: do it, so he wouldn't let me out, and that 301 00:19:47,676 --> 00:19:50,356 Speaker 1: was it. The two FBI agents got back in the car. 302 00:19:50,636 --> 00:19:53,276 Speaker 1: They drove to Kingston and caught the next flight back 303 00:19:53,276 --> 00:19:59,036 Speaker 1: to the US with Lee in custody. In Motley Crue's memoir, 304 00:19:59,196 --> 00:20:01,996 Speaker 1: Tommy Lee Base takes full responsibility for all of this, 305 00:20:02,476 --> 00:20:04,876 Speaker 1: saying that he and Heather caused the downfall of one 306 00:20:04,876 --> 00:20:08,476 Speaker 1: of the country's biggest drug smugglers, all because they didn't 307 00:20:08,476 --> 00:20:12,316 Speaker 1: want to go to Maka alone. Tommy writes, Heather and 308 00:20:12,396 --> 00:20:14,676 Speaker 1: I felt terrible. We had no one to show us 309 00:20:14,676 --> 00:20:22,596 Speaker 1: around Jamaica. Now that he was in federal custody, Lee 310 00:20:22,676 --> 00:20:25,916 Speaker 1: Rich began to mull over where exactly he'd gone wrong, 311 00:20:26,436 --> 00:20:29,676 Speaker 1: and he recalled something that his business partner, Mike Vogel, 312 00:20:29,836 --> 00:20:33,676 Speaker 1: the grocery guy, had told him. Mike was the distributor 313 00:20:33,676 --> 00:20:37,236 Speaker 1: who ran the enormous drug warehouse back in Detroit, and 314 00:20:37,396 --> 00:20:40,236 Speaker 1: Lie says Mike he had never really liked Tommy and 315 00:20:40,316 --> 00:20:43,876 Speaker 1: Heather thought they were trouble. Lee remembers him saying repeatedly, 316 00:20:44,236 --> 00:20:47,156 Speaker 1: stay away from those people. They're going to be your downfall. 317 00:20:50,196 --> 00:20:53,676 Speaker 1: Mike Vogel was right, in fact, more right than he knew. 318 00:20:54,276 --> 00:20:58,116 Speaker 1: In a way, Tommy and Heather would also be his downfall, 319 00:20:58,556 --> 00:21:01,596 Speaker 1: because at the very moment that Lee was being apprehended 320 00:21:01,636 --> 00:21:05,876 Speaker 1: in Jamaica, there was another operation targeting Mike Vogel back 321 00:21:05,916 --> 00:21:10,516 Speaker 1: in Detroit. When we come back after the break, Ned 322 00:21:10,516 --> 00:21:14,956 Speaker 1: Timmins and the FBI make their move on the grocery guy. 323 00:21:29,116 --> 00:21:32,716 Speaker 1: Back in Michigan, Ned was itching to arrest Mike Vogel. 324 00:21:33,036 --> 00:21:35,436 Speaker 1: The idea was to get both of these guys, Lee 325 00:21:35,676 --> 00:21:39,236 Speaker 1: and then Mike, almost at the exact same time, so 326 00:21:39,356 --> 00:21:42,276 Speaker 1: neither one of them would tip off the other. Everything 327 00:21:42,356 --> 00:21:47,716 Speaker 1: had to be perfectly synchronized this moment, it was the 328 00:21:47,756 --> 00:21:51,236 Speaker 1: culmination of almost three years of work on Ned's part. 329 00:21:52,076 --> 00:21:54,836 Speaker 1: It had been an epic journey, taking him from a 330 00:21:54,916 --> 00:21:57,916 Speaker 1: roadside biker bar in Detroit all the way to the 331 00:21:57,916 --> 00:22:01,636 Speaker 1: glitzie beaches of the Caymans. And during this time Ned's 332 00:22:01,676 --> 00:22:07,116 Speaker 1: case had steadily grown, merging with other investigations in North Carolina, Louisiana, 333 00:22:07,156 --> 00:22:10,916 Speaker 1: and Florida. Other agencies had gotten involved too, like the 334 00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:15,556 Speaker 1: d EA, the IRS, the Coastguard, US Customs, and a 335 00:22:15,556 --> 00:22:19,916 Speaker 1: slew of state and county investigators. Together, the authorities had 336 00:22:19,916 --> 00:22:25,436 Speaker 1: built a strong case against the smugglers, and throughout this 337 00:22:25,516 --> 00:22:28,636 Speaker 1: time Ned had kept pretty close tabs on Mike Vogel, 338 00:22:28,956 --> 00:22:32,076 Speaker 1: and apparently Mike had picked up on this. That's what 339 00:22:32,156 --> 00:22:35,116 Speaker 1: he told me. Anyway, Mike boasted to me that he 340 00:22:35,196 --> 00:22:39,356 Speaker 1: had sources within the FBI. He added rather cryptically that 341 00:22:39,476 --> 00:22:42,796 Speaker 1: he knew all about Ned. Did I sit down have 342 00:22:42,916 --> 00:22:45,916 Speaker 1: lunch or dinner with him? Now? Okay, I just I 343 00:22:45,956 --> 00:22:49,636 Speaker 1: was aware of them. I was very aware of them. 344 00:22:49,756 --> 00:22:54,636 Speaker 1: I remembin the day that Ned Timmins he ever got 345 00:22:54,636 --> 00:22:58,436 Speaker 1: involved with me, I wish I had never heard my name. 346 00:23:01,556 --> 00:23:04,476 Speaker 1: So on May twenty third, nineteen eighty six, the same 347 00:23:04,596 --> 00:23:07,916 Speaker 1: day League gets arrested, Ned Timmins is staked out at 348 00:23:07,956 --> 00:23:12,236 Speaker 1: Mike Vogel's house in Milford. We had the whole swat 349 00:23:12,236 --> 00:23:14,836 Speaker 1: team out there laying in Vogle's place all night long 350 00:23:15,276 --> 00:23:18,036 Speaker 1: waiting for word that they had Lee and custody. And 351 00:23:18,196 --> 00:23:20,396 Speaker 1: once we got word that they had Lee in custody, 352 00:23:20,756 --> 00:23:24,916 Speaker 1: then we had Vogle's house, his Ned and his FBI 353 00:23:24,956 --> 00:23:29,996 Speaker 1: team are getting ready, something really weird happens. According to NED, 354 00:23:30,476 --> 00:23:35,316 Speaker 1: a black panther starts stalking the woods. A black panther 355 00:23:35,396 --> 00:23:38,676 Speaker 1: in Michigan. Okay, so there was some sightings of it, 356 00:23:39,676 --> 00:23:42,036 Speaker 1: and we're in the swat team moonlightning. We've been laying 357 00:23:42,036 --> 00:23:47,716 Speaker 1: out there all night, night vision everything, and this panther 358 00:23:47,836 --> 00:23:50,076 Speaker 1: had been released. People had seen it and reported it. 359 00:23:50,156 --> 00:23:51,916 Speaker 1: You know, that there's a black panther run around out 360 00:23:51,916 --> 00:23:54,596 Speaker 1: here and there some cattle had been killed. And so 361 00:23:54,636 --> 00:23:57,356 Speaker 1: we're all laying out there talking on our radios and 362 00:23:57,476 --> 00:24:00,196 Speaker 1: you know, waiting for word to hit the house. And 363 00:24:00,316 --> 00:24:07,116 Speaker 1: this panther was screaming like this in the night, in 364 00:24:07,156 --> 00:24:11,476 Speaker 1: the moonlight, and you know, you know what's out there someplace, 365 00:24:12,116 --> 00:24:15,076 Speaker 1: and you're laying in the grass and it was a 366 00:24:15,076 --> 00:24:21,796 Speaker 1: bit nerve wracking. Okay, So I was skeptical about this story. 367 00:24:22,156 --> 00:24:25,436 Speaker 1: Seemed like another NED tail that would be well impossible 368 00:24:25,436 --> 00:24:28,436 Speaker 1: to fact jack and then I found an article from 369 00:24:28,436 --> 00:24:32,076 Speaker 1: the Time dispatched from the town where Mike Vogel lived, 370 00:24:32,316 --> 00:24:36,516 Speaker 1: confirming that yes, there had been over thirty sightings of 371 00:24:36,556 --> 00:24:41,396 Speaker 1: this large predatory cat. Anyway, NED was focused on getting 372 00:24:41,396 --> 00:24:45,036 Speaker 1: the job done Meanwhile, Mike is in his house asleep 373 00:24:45,116 --> 00:24:48,996 Speaker 1: next to his wife Julie. I had drive away suns, 374 00:24:49,196 --> 00:24:53,316 Speaker 1: you know, put you know if anybody's coming on your property. Okay, 375 00:24:53,716 --> 00:24:58,636 Speaker 1: and I always beep beep, beep, beep beep. Julie looked 376 00:24:58,636 --> 00:25:00,036 Speaker 1: at me and said, what was that? Such of the 377 00:25:00,116 --> 00:25:04,796 Speaker 1: fetche I could tell you know, you don't have twenty 378 00:25:04,836 --> 00:25:07,756 Speaker 1: beeps going off for one car. It was a whole 379 00:25:07,836 --> 00:25:10,876 Speaker 1: group of them that came. They had I RS guys, 380 00:25:10,956 --> 00:25:14,996 Speaker 1: I had FBI guys and a few DA guys and 381 00:25:15,276 --> 00:25:19,836 Speaker 1: Michigan State Police and of course Ned Timmins was there too. 382 00:25:20,436 --> 00:25:24,076 Speaker 1: And in this moment when Ned Timmins g Man shows 383 00:25:24,116 --> 00:25:27,636 Speaker 1: up to arrest Mike Vogel, master criminal, it isn't some 384 00:25:27,756 --> 00:25:30,956 Speaker 1: kind of tense standoff. They don't stare each other down 385 00:25:31,156 --> 00:25:34,316 Speaker 1: or cuss each other out. Mike says that Ned was 386 00:25:34,356 --> 00:25:38,396 Speaker 1: pretty friendly, cordial, that was the word he used, like 387 00:25:38,516 --> 00:25:42,356 Speaker 1: two boxers after a fight. All the swagger gone and 388 00:25:42,556 --> 00:25:48,596 Speaker 1: now just the handshake. He allowed me to go ahead 389 00:25:48,636 --> 00:25:51,756 Speaker 1: and take a shower and say goodbye to my wife 390 00:25:51,756 --> 00:25:56,956 Speaker 1: and kids. Yeah, we're going to prison. Mike Vogel was 391 00:25:56,996 --> 00:26:00,556 Speaker 1: indicted in federal court in Detroit. The indictment alleged that 392 00:26:00,636 --> 00:26:04,116 Speaker 1: he and a fellow smugglers were responsible for importing at 393 00:26:04,196 --> 00:26:08,436 Speaker 1: least five hundred and sixty six thousand pounds of marijuana. 394 00:26:08,596 --> 00:26:12,236 Speaker 1: Investing its estimated that over the years they smuggled as 395 00:26:12,356 --> 00:26:15,996 Speaker 1: much as one billion dollars worth of drugs into the US. 396 00:26:16,956 --> 00:26:19,796 Speaker 1: Vogel played guilty That same year, he was stripped of 397 00:26:19,836 --> 00:26:23,956 Speaker 1: his wealth forfeiting, among other things, a boat, five cars, 398 00:26:24,116 --> 00:26:27,316 Speaker 1: and four homes in Michigan. He was sentenced to twenty 399 00:26:27,316 --> 00:26:31,396 Speaker 1: five years in prison. Lee was arrested that Vogel was arrested, 400 00:26:31,476 --> 00:26:34,436 Speaker 1: and it became was all on the paper and the 401 00:26:34,476 --> 00:26:40,636 Speaker 1: whole lay of everything, and the story made big headlines actually, 402 00:26:40,716 --> 00:26:43,396 Speaker 1: and for a moment Ned was kind of famous. An 403 00:26:43,476 --> 00:26:47,236 Speaker 1: article in the Detroit Free Press chronicled Ned's adventures. An 404 00:26:47,276 --> 00:26:50,556 Speaker 1: anonymous source told the paper that Ned quote made the 405 00:26:50,636 --> 00:26:54,516 Speaker 1: case end quote. The source went on to say, I've 406 00:26:54,556 --> 00:26:58,316 Speaker 1: seen a lot of undercover agents, but this guy special. 407 00:26:58,836 --> 00:27:02,076 Speaker 1: He's got ice in his veins, and he's a tough cookie, 408 00:27:02,316 --> 00:27:05,396 Speaker 1: one of the new breed. He's a high caliber agent 409 00:27:05,716 --> 00:27:08,636 Speaker 1: who has that unique ability to be able to understand 410 00:27:08,716 --> 00:27:12,156 Speaker 1: and worked with the people. He's been sent undercover to investigate. 411 00:27:13,036 --> 00:27:15,916 Speaker 1: For Ned, it was vindication. He had spent the better 412 00:27:15,956 --> 00:27:18,956 Speaker 1: part of three years playing the role of his alter ego. 413 00:27:19,516 --> 00:27:21,876 Speaker 1: In a way, he'd built Ed Thomas from the ground up. 414 00:27:22,276 --> 00:27:27,036 Speaker 1: His backstory, his demeanor, his friendships, his hard drinking, hardy 415 00:27:27,116 --> 00:27:31,596 Speaker 1: riding lifestyle, and Ed Thomas had served his purpose. It 416 00:27:31,716 --> 00:27:34,116 Speaker 1: was as if all the risks that Ned had taken, 417 00:27:34,236 --> 00:27:38,236 Speaker 1: all the close calls, all the paranoia, all the boundaries 418 00:27:38,276 --> 00:27:42,076 Speaker 1: he'd pushed somehow or another, it had all worked out. 419 00:27:45,796 --> 00:27:48,236 Speaker 1: So maybe it was finally time to be done with 420 00:27:48,356 --> 00:27:52,036 Speaker 1: undercover work. After all, Ned had a big win under 421 00:27:52,076 --> 00:27:55,276 Speaker 1: his belt. Plus, at almost the exact same time of 422 00:27:55,316 --> 00:27:58,356 Speaker 1: these events, in May of nineteen eighty six, there was 423 00:27:58,436 --> 00:28:03,196 Speaker 1: other big news. Ned's son was born, and Ned the 424 00:28:03,316 --> 00:28:09,236 Speaker 1: action craving, sometimes reckless, hardy riding undercover guy. He of 425 00:28:09,316 --> 00:28:12,596 Speaker 1: his son, Cathy says that the baby was attached to 426 00:28:12,676 --> 00:28:16,876 Speaker 1: him at the hip. Oh yeah, no, they were like 427 00:28:16,956 --> 00:28:19,236 Speaker 1: freaking frac I mean, as soon as he came in 428 00:28:20,836 --> 00:28:23,476 Speaker 1: the door, he'd picked him up. I don't think he 429 00:28:23,476 --> 00:28:27,316 Speaker 1: would put him down. Just about every picture I have 430 00:28:28,636 --> 00:28:31,756 Speaker 1: he had this shark that he caught while we were 431 00:28:31,836 --> 00:28:35,596 Speaker 1: on our honeymoon down in the Keys, and here's this 432 00:28:35,676 --> 00:28:39,876 Speaker 1: hammerhead shark and he he has it installed in the 433 00:28:40,036 --> 00:28:45,436 Speaker 1: den of our home. And so he'd put the baby 434 00:28:45,516 --> 00:28:47,396 Speaker 1: up there, up on top of the shark, like as 435 00:28:47,436 --> 00:28:50,116 Speaker 1: if he's riding the shark, and take a picture, you know. 436 00:28:50,396 --> 00:28:53,836 Speaker 1: I mean, he just couldn't get enough of our oldest son, 437 00:28:54,516 --> 00:28:57,676 Speaker 1: you know, even if his parents would volunteer to you know, Oh, 438 00:28:57,796 --> 00:28:59,636 Speaker 1: leave the baby here and we'll take care of him 439 00:28:59,676 --> 00:29:05,236 Speaker 1: now now he's gone with us. Wow. Yeah, did that 440 00:29:05,356 --> 00:29:08,956 Speaker 1: make you feel hopeful about Yes? I feel and so yes, 441 00:29:09,236 --> 00:29:15,356 Speaker 1: I felt very very hopeful and good, good about things. 442 00:29:15,476 --> 00:29:19,796 Speaker 1: And I felt that, you know, whatever work he was 443 00:29:19,836 --> 00:29:21,636 Speaker 1: going to wrap up then on Matt and then that 444 00:29:21,636 --> 00:29:25,436 Speaker 1: would be the end of that case and he'd move 445 00:29:25,476 --> 00:29:28,836 Speaker 1: on to the next set of cases. I'm like, oh, 446 00:29:28,876 --> 00:29:32,916 Speaker 1: thank god, back to normal life. But it did never 447 00:29:32,956 --> 00:29:38,196 Speaker 1: go back to normal life. As it turns out Ned's case, 448 00:29:38,436 --> 00:29:41,796 Speaker 1: it wasn't over, not really. Mister beach Club and the 449 00:29:41,836 --> 00:29:45,276 Speaker 1: gentleman smuggler would have their day in court, so there'd 450 00:29:45,276 --> 00:29:49,356 Speaker 1: be a trial, but that wasn't all far to the south, 451 00:29:49,596 --> 00:29:55,156 Speaker 1: down in Central America, the silent partner, the General Manuel Noriega. 452 00:29:55,316 --> 00:29:59,276 Speaker 1: He was still at large, operating with impunity, but that 453 00:29:59,796 --> 00:30:02,716 Speaker 1: was about to change. Word was getting out about what 454 00:30:02,756 --> 00:30:05,436 Speaker 1: the General had been up to, and in Washington, DC, 455 00:30:06,236 --> 00:30:25,516 Speaker 1: a political shit storm was brewing. Next time on deep Cover, 456 00:30:26,796 --> 00:30:30,796 Speaker 1: I just knew that the information that I could divulge 457 00:30:30,796 --> 00:30:36,196 Speaker 1: about Noriega and his activities were a bombshell. There's no 458 00:30:36,236 --> 00:30:40,036 Speaker 1: doubt in my mind that there's ramifications that go all 459 00:30:40,076 --> 00:30:42,876 Speaker 1: the way to the top. But I mean literally from 460 00:30:42,916 --> 00:31:05,836 Speaker 1: Reagan on down. Deep Cover is produced by Jacob Smith 461 00:31:05,996 --> 00:31:09,796 Speaker 1: and edited by Karen Shakerjee. Our story edit is Jack 462 00:31:09,876 --> 00:31:13,596 Speaker 1: hit original music, and our theme was composed by Luis 463 00:31:13,716 --> 00:31:17,636 Speaker 1: Gara and Flawn Williams is our engineer. Fact checking by 464 00:31:17,636 --> 00:31:22,596 Speaker 1: Amy Gaines. Mia Lobell is Pushkin's executive producer, and Ned's 465 00:31:22,636 --> 00:31:27,076 Speaker 1: novel is read by Walton Goggins. Special thanks to Julia Barton, 466 00:31:27,396 --> 00:31:32,836 Speaker 1: Heather Fain, Carl mcgliori, Lee, Tom Mullad Maya Kanig, Eric Sandler, 467 00:31:33,036 --> 00:31:37,836 Speaker 1: Aggie Taylor, Kadija Holland, Zoe Gwenn, and Jacob Weisberg at 468 00:31:37,836 --> 00:31:42,756 Speaker 1: Pushkin Industries. Special thanks also to Jeff Singer at Stowaway Entertainment. 469 00:31:43,556 --> 00:31:44,516 Speaker 1: I'm Jake Albern