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Speaker 5: I'm gonna be talking about twenty twenty four polling a
Speaker 5: little later with the polling director of the Harvard Kennedy
Speaker 5: School Institute of Politics. I don't believe you, but first,
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Speaker 5: in their heads. All the while Americans are losing their
Speaker 5: freedoms at home.
Speaker 4: The Biden administration's war on energy is reaching into the
Speaker 4: American home.
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Speaker 1: Into the American home.
Speaker 4: Put a stop to the Department of Energies, continued crackdown
Speaker 4: on American made appliances.
Speaker 7: Never in my wildest imagination, what I have thought that
Speaker 7: I was staying here on the house floor to defend
Speaker 7: my constituency appliances and gas stoves.
Speaker 8: I was proud to lead the House Republican effort to
Speaker 8: protect our gas stoves.
Speaker 9: They can take our lives, but they can never take.
Speaker 1: Our cook tops.
Speaker 5: Apparently, this is a bill that they passed to stop
Speaker 5: the Biden administration's new energy regulations. And I'm gonna be
Speaker 5: one hundred percent honest with everybody here. I'm on the
Speaker 5: Republican side. I can hate electric stoves, I can't hate them.
Speaker 5: I cannot cook unless i can see how high the
Speaker 5: flame is, and I'll be damned if I start burning
Speaker 5: my signature Banadas Foster because Joseph Gerbels Biden is trying
Speaker 5: to ban gas stoves.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: I'm being told that that is not as what happened.
Speaker 5: That's sorry, that's apparently the Department of Energy just set
Speaker 5: new efficiency standards for home appliances and that ninety seven
Speaker 5: percent of gas stoves already meet the new standards. So
Speaker 5: unless this is where you cook, you're you're probably fine.
Speaker 1: And even so at the end of the day, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just your guess. Though, it's not just gas stoves.
Speaker 1: It's your washer, your dryer, your dishwasher, and much more.
Speaker 2: They started with gas stoves, and.
Speaker 5: I did not speak of. For I was not a
Speaker 5: gas stove. Why did I do the Scottish accent for that?
Speaker 5: That's a isn't that a German homily? All right, Look,
Speaker 5: no disrespect to any of these idiots, but I think
Speaker 5: we can move household appliances down on the threat to
Speaker 5: democracy list just below aluminum free deodorant. Clearly this was
Speaker 5: an overblown reaction, but that doesn't mean that this trial
Speaker 5: coverage isn't obscuring some true horrors.
Speaker 1: They're dead.
Speaker 2: The Boy Scouts are dead. The Boy Scouts, we could
Speaker 2: pretty much declare, are dead.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the Boy Scouts are dead.
Speaker 9: While we were all fixated on the tinilating details of
Speaker 9: the stormy Daniel's testimony, the Boy Scouts all died, I'm assuming,
Speaker 9: in a terrible s'mores explosion engineered by one Joseph Childs
Speaker 9: Manson Biden.
Speaker 5: The Boy Scouts of America is changing its name for
Speaker 5: the first time in history.
Speaker 10: The organization will be renamed Scouting America to emphasize its
Speaker 10: commitment to inclusion of all youth.
Speaker 5: Oh, the Boy Scouts are alive. They just rebranded as
Speaker 5: an organization, partly because they started letting girls in five
Speaker 5: years ago. And partly because they had a giant molestation scandal.
Speaker 5: I say that so that no one can hear me
Speaker 5: or I had a giant molis.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: Rebranding yourself is a tried and true formula any such organizations.
Speaker 5: In fact, it's why the Catholic Church now goes by
Speaker 5: the name Gary. So I feel terrible for anybody at
Speaker 5: home named Gary right now? What so what is the issue?
Speaker 10: There used to be sacred organizations where the children could
Speaker 10: really flourish.
Speaker 2: Is anything sacred? Bob Brooks?
Speaker 5: No, yeah, nothing is sacred. What did happen to all
Speaker 5: those sacred organizations?
Speaker 1: Gary? But as you all were saying.
Speaker 6: That's what happens to institutions in America and really all
Speaker 6: over the world. Is patriotic people start these institutions and
Speaker 6: the Left must destroy it. It's a sad day when
Speaker 6: young boys can't learn how to be strong men.
Speaker 1: We've wrecked it. Actually they wrecked it. Okay.
Speaker 5: I don't want to break character here or anything, but
Speaker 5: this like this guy who is blaming the Left for
Speaker 5: the loss of our institutions where young boys can become
Speaker 5: strong men. His name is Matt Schlap. You may remember him.
Speaker 5: He's the head of the American Conservative Union. You may
Speaker 5: remember that as the strong man.
Speaker 1: Who was sued. This guy was sued.
Speaker 5: By another fella for non consensually grabbing his dick in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two. Yeah, that only got dropped after a
Speaker 5: reported four hundred and eighty thousand dollars settlement. The point being,
Speaker 5: when this guy talks about the depravity of our institutions,
Speaker 5: he knows of what he speaks. All of this false
Speaker 5: outrage is starting to make me cynical. It's starting to
Speaker 5: make me cynical about America's media ecosystem. Is there anything
Speaker 5: else going on that does merit a Defcon one freak out?
Speaker 10: In the end, this is a sad day for America,
Speaker 10: a moral failing of a magnitude we can't even begin
Speaker 10: to calculate.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm moral failing. We can't even begin
Speaker 1: to calculate.
Speaker 5: Perhaps it's a combo failing, an appliance that changed its
Speaker 5: name to be more inclusive. Is mister Coffee? Now they
Speaker 5: them Coffee?
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that? The danger we now face?
Speaker 5: President Biden threatening to withhold more military aid if the
Speaker 5: Israeli military carries out an all out assault on the
Speaker 5: city of.
Speaker 10: President Biden halting a weapon shipment of thirty five hundred
Speaker 10: bombs to Israel.
Speaker 8: We paused one shipment of high payload munitions.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: The Biden administration has paused one shipment of thirty five
Speaker 5: hundred munitions of the over three hundred thousand munitions Israel
Speaker 5: has already dropped on Gaza to try and prevent the
Speaker 5: Israelis from attacking the area where all the refugees of
Speaker 5: this war are currently sheltering.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Or to put that another way.
Speaker 11: And now, what the Bidy ministration has done is he
Speaker 11: becomes the primary protector of Hamash.
Speaker 5: He absolutely is uh siding with the terrorists.
Speaker 6: The only reason they're not dancing in Iran is because
Speaker 6: they don't believe in dancing.
Speaker 10: Joe Biden has been the greatest friend Hamas and Hezbola
Speaker 10: that there is on planet Earth.
Speaker 2: Amen, damn, he's good.
Speaker 5: That's nothing, says Gravitas, like the only thing we have
Speaker 5: to fair is fair itself.
Speaker 1: You people are children that came out wrong.
Speaker 5: But I am curious why would Biden halt that shipment?
Speaker 12: Now I've made it clear to bb in the war cabinet,
Speaker 12: they're not going to get our support if in fact,
Speaker 12: they're going these population centers.
Speaker 5: If they go into the population centers, the whole place
Speaker 5: is a population center. They've been in the population center
Speaker 5: for six months. Gaza's all population center. You know, you
Speaker 5: never hear around Gaza. Yeah, I don't live in the
Speaker 5: populated area. I live in upstate Gaza.
Speaker 1: I live by the lakes. It's really quiet.
Speaker 5: There is there no one who can offer a more
Speaker 5: nuanced analysis of our newly formulated position on this conflict,
Speaker 5: preferably in some type of catacomb or echoe tunnel.
Speaker 11: Mike is doing with respect to Israel is disgraceful. If
Speaker 11: any Jewish person voted for Joe Biden, they should be
Speaker 11: a shade of the chelousy.
Speaker 5: My apologies to you, Rabbi, thank you so much for
Speaker 5: taking time off of your condom less porn star hush
Speaker 5: money trial to deliver a shame lecture to Jews. I
Speaker 5: will reflect on your moral standing next.
Speaker 1: To young Kapoor.
Speaker 5: You can be sure, what about a Jew who might
Speaker 5: vote for him twice?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 5: Shame?
Speaker 1: Shame?
Speaker 8: Shame, shamee Jew ashamed, shame.
Speaker 5: First of all, guys, American Jews are Americans. We do
Speaker 5: not have dual loyalties or citizenship. There's nothing for us
Speaker 5: to be ashamed of.
Speaker 3: That's not what Donald Trump says.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump says, you should be a.
Speaker 3: Shame shame, shame, shame, so you should have been a doctor.
Speaker 9: Really, it made me very uncomb Donald Trump is just
Speaker 9: saying that there's good Jews and there's bad Jews, and
Speaker 9: we need to start identifying.
Speaker 1: The bad Jews. I don't like where this is going.
Speaker 2: Shame shame, Shonda.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm Jewish too.
Speaker 2: I did not know that ye on my mother's side,
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 1: Shame shame, shame. As I was saying before, I was
Speaker 1: really same, shame shame on you, shame I know. So, Ronnie,
Speaker 1: we already did the Israel shame bit.
Speaker 9: And uh no, I was talking about Deaf to smoo Jay.
Speaker 1: I spent ten bucks on that movie.
Speaker 3: Shame shame on you.
Speaker 1: It's a good movie.
Speaker 3: So are you not ashamed?
Speaker 1: I'm not listen here, here's here's ten bucks. Just go
Speaker 1: thank you. This makes up for Israel? All right, thank you.
Speaker 1: When we come back, don delivope, we'll be joining us.
Speaker 1: Don't go away.
Speaker 5: Why are you bothering you?
Speaker 7: Mark?
Speaker 5: They'll show my gua tonight is the director of Pulling
Speaker 5: at Harvard's Kennedy Schools Institute of Politics, and he's the
Speaker 5: author of Fight How gen Z is channeling their fear
Speaker 5: and passion to save America.
Speaker 1: Please write in the program, John Delavo, by John young Man, thank.
Speaker 2: You for joining us, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 5: You have spoken to gen Z, many of them here tonight.
Speaker 5: By the way, I don't know if you spoke to them.
Speaker 5: How many of you spoke to John for the Okay,
Speaker 5: that's crazy to turn this into a focus group.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is a focus group? Is that how you
Speaker 1: do it? Is it? Are these How do you get
Speaker 1: to gen Z? I have two of.
Speaker 5: Them in my house and I don't know what they
Speaker 5: think about anything?
Speaker 10: They want to be listened to. It's actually quite quite
Speaker 10: quite easy. You can bring a group of young people
Speaker 10: together and I asked a couple of simple questions.
Speaker 2: Do you feel under stood? No?
Speaker 10: What do people like me? What do you think people
Speaker 10: like me don't understand about you? And then there we
Speaker 10: go for two hours. It's actually quite easy.
Speaker 5: Can I tell you something that is the plot of
Speaker 5: the breakfast Club? How so is this mostly focus groups?
Speaker 5: Are these checklists and surveys that you pass out, how
Speaker 5: is this done?
Speaker 1: What we do?
Speaker 10: And we've been doing this for twenty almost twenty five
Speaker 10: years now at Harvard, Right, because young people twenty five
Speaker 10: years ago were interested in understanding their generation. And to
Speaker 10: do that well, you need to go beyond traditional polling
Speaker 10: and asking people what they think right track, wrong track.
Speaker 10: You need to spend time immerse yourself in these communities.
Speaker 2: We spent a.
Speaker 10: Long weekend in Michigan with a twenty five students or
Speaker 10: so just a few months ago to begin to understand, now.
Speaker 5: Are these people do they? Do you put up a
Speaker 5: flyer or do you put that on?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 10: Sometimes we literally go into coffee shops, sometimes hang up
Speaker 10: will hang up posters asking people if they want to
Speaker 10: participate in a town hall. Sometimes will will recruit people
Speaker 10: based upon certain demographic groups, will pay them for a
Speaker 10: couple of ourselves to.
Speaker 5: Worry that the sample size is skewed to people who visit.
Speaker 10: Coffee shops, like how do you adjust for we want?
Speaker 10: That's just one phase, right, that's the quality.
Speaker 2: And then we learn from those kinds of questions.
Speaker 10: Right, And we conduct very large scale surveys of a
Speaker 10: relatively small population. So whereas most polls across the country
Speaker 10: might have a thousand Americans, maybe a couple thousand Americans, right,
Speaker 10: we do a couple thousand young people between the ages
Speaker 10: of eighteen to twenty nine who are representative of that
Speaker 10: generation across the country. So we learn from the conversations
Speaker 10: and coffee shops and community colleges and you know, online,
Speaker 10: and we take those ideas, We learn from what we hear,
Speaker 10: and we try to quantify that through very large scale,
Speaker 10: very rigorous surveys a couple times a year.
Speaker 1: And what then do you do with that? How is that?
Speaker 5: Is that then sent to the media and they use
Speaker 5: it in a reductionist way that doesn't understand anything that
Speaker 5: you're talking about, to make it seem as though on
Speaker 5: college campuses all across America, all they talk about is Israel, Gaza.
Speaker 5: Because I've been on those campuses. All they talk about
Speaker 5: is getting laid in classes.
Speaker 10: It depends upon listen, It depends upon what media outlet
Speaker 10: we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 10: There are some media outlets who take these headlines and
Speaker 10: they run them around the world as propaganda to say
Speaker 10: this generation in a reductionist man yeah, to say this
Speaker 10: generation of Americans are anti America. And you'll see that
Speaker 10: around the world, so you can use pulling us propaganda.
Speaker 10: This project started because not enough young people were participating
Speaker 10: in politics back in nineteen ninety six, Like when we.
Speaker 2: Were young voters, only a third of us voted in
Speaker 2: the presidential election.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for calling me a young voter
Speaker 5: in in nineteen ninety six, when I believe I was
Speaker 5: old enough to have been president. What would you like
Speaker 5: this to be used for? What is useful in this
Speaker 5: in your mind? Because it's it's very difficult to take
Speaker 5: a snapshot of something and say this is the picture
Speaker 5: of this generation.
Speaker 2: This is what's so important?
Speaker 10: Is that I think the goal of this or the
Speaker 10: goal of any public opinion research is to give voice
Speaker 10: to a generation, to give voice to the vulnerable.
Speaker 1: But isn't that TikTok? Isn't that what social like?
Speaker 5: I've never had a more heard generation. I can't get
Speaker 5: them off my phone.
Speaker 10: And if you take a moment off of their phone,
Speaker 10: know what they're going to tell you. They're going to
Speaker 10: tell you that several days, last couple of weeks, they
Speaker 10: were depressed.
Speaker 2: They're going to tell you.
Speaker 10: Some serious, serious concerns that have about their own mental
Speaker 10: health and thin gets pretty dark. In some cases, they're
Speaker 10: going to tell you that they're not confident that they'll
Speaker 10: ever be able to do what we did in terms
Speaker 10: of own a house. They'll tell you that they're concerned
Speaker 10: about literally being homeless. It's there's virtually every focused group
Speaker 10: I do, whether it's virtual or otherwise. Last night, two
Speaker 10: members of a focus group of young people had already
Speaker 10: been homeless for an extended period of time in their hearts.
Speaker 5: How quick, that's what we're trying to reveal these sorts
Speaker 5: of things.
Speaker 10: Within fifteen twenty minutes, there was a woman in tears
Speaker 10: when I simply said, see, this is the difference between
Speaker 10: kind of what the polling is that you might see
Speaker 10: the reduction's polling versus true public opinion research.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 10: The way I get to this is I asked three questions. Okay,
Speaker 10: the first question is your name, where you're from. What's
Speaker 10: the best part of your life today? Next question, what
Speaker 10: keeps you up at night?
Speaker 2: What are your stretsers?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 10: And then very very quickly it gets to the point
Speaker 10: that they open up. And this is something I think
Speaker 10: unique about this cohort of younger people of gen Zers,
Speaker 10: that they feel so disc connected from older generations because
Speaker 10: older generations, through the media and otherwise, consider them snowflakes, right, But.
Speaker 5: No generation ever feels connected to the young generation, never
Speaker 5: feels connected to the older generation.
Speaker 1: That's the whole point. They're here to replace us. They're
Speaker 1: we're we're our job.
Speaker 5: Is to breed, swim upstream, and then die on right.
Speaker 10: But this general, what this generation is. They're upfront telling
Speaker 10: us about these concerns. And I argue that these concerns
Speaker 10: are more real and versial than maybe our concerns.
Speaker 5: I don't think, what would you like our political system
Speaker 5: or our media system to do with this, other than
Speaker 5: to come out and go, hey, these guys are worried,
Speaker 5: because what we ultimately end up getting.
Speaker 1: I'll watch the news and just see.
Speaker 5: The Harvard School of Politics and Institute did a survey
Speaker 5: and the number one concern is inflation, and number fifteen
Speaker 5: is Israel Gaza and fourteen is emo music like it's
Speaker 5: and it'll just give you this list and there's no
Speaker 5: illumination there, it's just the list.
Speaker 10: What I want elected officials to do, and they are doing,
Speaker 10: is to understand these concerns so they can speak to
Speaker 10: these concerns. Because if they speak to these concerns. Young
Speaker 10: people will be more likely to vote. Not only can
Speaker 10: they speak to these concerns, but if they could show
Speaker 10: the track record and the progress that we have made,
Speaker 10: because John, this is a different and better country because
Speaker 10: young people vote in twenty twenty and record numbers, we
Speaker 10: don't have KBJ on the Supreme Court, we don't have
Speaker 10: the large they behind record numbers in the last one
Speaker 10: and record numbers.
Speaker 1: What was the percentage of young people that vote.
Speaker 2: We look at eighteen to twenty nine year olds.
Speaker 10: It's the first time in history that more than half
Speaker 10: voted fifty one to fifty two percent. Really on college Vietnam,
Speaker 10: the young people didn't vote on college. This is higher
Speaker 10: than any time on records on college campuses. It was
Speaker 10: over sixty percent, which is essential the same rate as
Speaker 10: all Americans. And what's interesting about this is not only
Speaker 10: what do we have the highest turnout ever, but also
Speaker 10: it was the youth vote specifically in those five battle
Speaker 10: ground states Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, and Georgia, who by
Speaker 10: twenty points voted for Biden. Donald Trump won everybody over
Speaker 10: the age of forty four, So it's a young people
Speaker 10: in particular who were responsible flipping those states from red
Speaker 10: to blue.
Speaker 5: And if you were young people today and you did
Speaker 5: that and you overcame that, what has been done for
Speaker 5: you other than some of you, you know in terms
Speaker 5: of like loan forgiveness or something along those lines. But
Speaker 5: do you think that the politicians did honor that vote?
Speaker 10: I think so because let's start with student debt. One
Speaker 10: hundred and fifty billion dollars of student debt relief right
Speaker 10: in the last three.
Speaker 2: Years for over four million, soon to be ten million Americans.
Speaker 2: That doesn't happen.
Speaker 10: We don't have, in my opinion, the first biparison gun
Speaker 10: Violence Prevention Act in two generations.
Speaker 1: So that's you.
Speaker 5: Feel like that information just has to be delineated to
Speaker 5: them or they're not feeling those effects yet or did they?
Speaker 5: Are they disappointed? Is this survey different for young people?
Speaker 5: Do they feel do they feel that they were heard?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 10: I think that's the challenge, right, because what I care
Speaker 10: most about is participation, okay, And what drives participation is
Speaker 10: whether they can see a tangible difference in politics and
Speaker 10: government and their vote. And despite what I believe has
Speaker 10: been the most pro youth agenda in several generations from
Speaker 10: the Biden administration. Despite that, few young people appreciate that, right,
Speaker 10: Few young people know the climate, the gun violence, and
Speaker 10: students as examples.
Speaker 5: Right, right, Are they thinking about things more immediate to
Speaker 5: their lives? Is that why they're feeling differently.
Speaker 10: I don't think they're watching the news as closely.
Speaker 2: It's hard to get some of this information the news
Speaker 2: so much what's in the news. That's the negative part one.
Speaker 10: The other thing is compared to what the policy preferences
Speaker 10: are for seniors.
Speaker 2: Like you can feel.
Speaker 10: Two thousand dollars prescription drug cap. You know that that's immediate, right.
Speaker 10: You can see in your four A Wong k right,
Speaker 10: the record, the kind of the record performance. You can
Speaker 10: feel that these things may take a generation to actually
Speaker 10: feel with the exception of that.
Speaker 5: Really, so, I wonder if it made more sense instead
Speaker 5: of if the idea is to make it useful information
Speaker 5: for people that can be actionable. Is the idea maybe
Speaker 5: to think of this more as a customer survey, the
Speaker 5: way that a corporation might to say, what is your
Speaker 5: satisfaction with the United States government or the government or
Speaker 5: your government or your life, and how.
Speaker 1: Would what would improve it? Exactly do they do that.
Speaker 2: We essentially do that. We essentially take a customer survey.
Speaker 2: It is essentially a customer survey.
Speaker 10: And I will tell you it was pretty tricky, very
Speaker 10: difficult twenty five years ago when we started.
Speaker 2: We have been honored inside the RNC, the DNC.
Speaker 10: Our students have brief the administration, the Obama administration, of the trumpetdministration,
Speaker 10: and the Biden administration directly. So we are honored because
Speaker 10: of the work of the young people who craft the
Speaker 10: questions here that we do have the ears and.
Speaker 5: Think there's an understanding now of this. Are you finding
Speaker 5: the kind of polarization that we see on social media?
Speaker 5: And is the algorithm driving their opinions in a way
Speaker 5: that wasn't happening twenty five years ago.
Speaker 10: Absolutely, And of course there's no equal side to the algorithm, right,
Speaker 10: it's is.
Speaker 1: It radicalizing this generation?
Speaker 2: I think there's an element of it, for sure.
Speaker 10: I certainly think there's an element of those people who
Speaker 10: feel like.
Speaker 2: The kind of the backlash right, who don't feel connected.
Speaker 10: The thing about this generation is essentially two thirds of
Speaker 10: this generation share a relatively common set of values in
Speaker 10: terms of what's important for government to focus on it to.
Speaker 2: Fight for right.
Speaker 10: So if you're a part of that one third who
Speaker 10: feels disconnected, there is that opportunity. I do think with
Speaker 10: these algorithms to go into some pretty dark places.
Speaker 1: Where's the disconnect?
Speaker 5: Is the disconnect from the media, from how the politicians
Speaker 5: utilize that information, from their own misunderstanding of how the
Speaker 5: world should listen to them, you know, where where is
Speaker 5: then the disconnect?
Speaker 10: I think it's I think it's all of the above.
Speaker 10: I do think that young people, you know, they used
Speaker 10: to information quickly, right. They're used to you know, asking
Speaker 10: for something and receiving it, you know, in an instant.
Speaker 2: Or being delivered to them.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 10: So there does need to be I think some greater
Speaker 10: appreciation for the system and the process part one. But
Speaker 10: like governments in specifically the government and political parties need
Speaker 10: to understand that elections are won and lost based upon
Speaker 10: what young people think. These days, forty percent forty percent
Speaker 10: of the electorate are going to be gen Zo millennials
Speaker 10: forty percent and this coming election, this election, come election, gen.
Speaker 2: Z and millennials.
Speaker 10: Okay, they have a shared set of values and you
Speaker 10: and you're right in there that their passion will save
Speaker 10: this country.
Speaker 2: I do think so.
Speaker 10: I do think so, because as I talked about the
Speaker 10: severe kind of anxiety and depression that they have. But
Speaker 10: in many cases, other generations, okay, who feel that way,
Speaker 10: it's normal to actually, you know, flee.
Speaker 2: Okay, and to run away.
Speaker 10: But this generation is decided to use all the tools,
Speaker 10: as David Hogg, the Parkland activist, talks about, in their
Speaker 10: civic toolbox, to fix problems and to stand up for
Speaker 10: the vulnerable, whether it's voting, whether it's protesting.
Speaker 5: Do you really think they're different than past young generations.
Speaker 5: I mean that kind of idealism and that kind of
Speaker 5: actimism has always been a part of that. And then
Speaker 5: everybody gets jobs and says.
Speaker 2: It, well listen.
Speaker 1: Generally. I mean that's that's my experience.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's the whole you know what happened the hippies,
Speaker 5: and the hippies turned into the uppies and they all
Speaker 5: went down the wall Street, and you know it's I
Speaker 5: feel like we keep getting trapped in this cycle of
Speaker 5: like the children of the future, and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: they've been saying that forever, and the cycle keeps repeating,
Speaker 5: as though we didn't also have the potential to do it,
Speaker 5: but we didn't and they.
Speaker 2: I think so two things. One is.
Speaker 10: This generation of younger voters voted at twice the level
Speaker 10: as millennials. That's so you can still twice right when
Speaker 10: we were their age. When we were their age, fourteen
Speaker 10: to fifteen percent.
Speaker 2: Of us voted.
Speaker 5: Okay, Now, why we were building a society. We were
Speaker 5: out in the streets, bricks and mortar building a society
Speaker 5: and how.
Speaker 2: To go right, not well right, and how to come right.
Speaker 10: So so that's part that. That is part one. But
Speaker 10: I am and telling you that they are committed. They
Speaker 10: are committed to dealing with these issues because I'll tell
Speaker 10: you why.
Speaker 5: We're just the ones you talk to. That's only my curiosity.
Speaker 5: I have two of everybody.
Speaker 1: You don't talk to it, you didn't talk to like it.
Speaker 1: You'd come on here to night and go. They just
Speaker 1: like watching Netflix. They really it's do you understand what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I think we tend to want to look at it
Speaker 5: and make sweeping judgments about who these kids are, and
Speaker 5: we tend to then simplify it into a monolith. And
Speaker 5: that is the first step in misunderstanding and misrepresenting what
Speaker 5: they actually do. I liked much more what you talked
Speaker 5: about when you broke them down and they started talking
Speaker 5: to you as individuals. It's maybe when we when we
Speaker 5: have to take the reality of their lives and make
Speaker 5: them into data, that we go wrong.
Speaker 1: Is that possible?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 10: But in each generation does have kind of a central identity.
Speaker 10: So for example, Gen xers, okay, we were in terms
Speaker 10: of politics and ideology split relatively same as many as conservatives,
Speaker 10: as liberals, probably as Democrats, whereas this generation is different.
Speaker 10: The reason that this generation is different, this is important
Speaker 10: that no generation generation since the greatest generation, has dealt
Speaker 10: with more chaos, more trauma, more quickly than jen Z.
Speaker 10: All of this at their at their footsteps before the.
Speaker 2: Age of twenty five. Listen to me, Listen to no.
Speaker 5: This is completely rare true. When I was growing up,
Speaker 5: Martin Luther King was killed, John F. Kennedy was killed,
Speaker 5: Robert Kennedy was killed, The Vietnam War was on, and
Speaker 5: then there was water and.
Speaker 10: We put someone on the moon. We came together for that,
Speaker 10: this generation, this generation.
Speaker 1: But that didn't the gate all the other ship. It
Speaker 1: did not.
Speaker 10: It did not, And every generation has their trauma. This
Speaker 10: generation hasn't seen America at our best.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: When was the last time?
Speaker 10: When was the last time this your your kids felt
Speaker 10: good about being American and connected to everybody this morning?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 5: Yes, again, this is the kind of generalization that I
Speaker 5: think I take issue with that idea that like, this
Speaker 5: generation has had challenges in a way that no one
Speaker 5: else has. I just think that's putting upon them a
Speaker 5: sense of a victimhood that is not necessarily and I
Speaker 5: think can ultimately have them play into that identity, as
Speaker 5: opposed to saying, yeah, man, your perspective is this is
Speaker 5: the worst the world has ever been.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to tell you something.
Speaker 5: The world is hard, and it's horrible sometimes, and it
Speaker 5: spends out of control, and all we can do is
Speaker 5: fight every day to make the world more look like
Speaker 5: the one that you want.
Speaker 1: It to be.
Speaker 5: But to treat them as though they have faced some
Speaker 5: kind of condition that is so anathema to everything that
Speaker 5: all these other generations have faced doesn't feel real to me.
Speaker 2: I didn't say more than all other generations, what.
Speaker 1: I said since the greatest generation.
Speaker 10: And the difference though, is without seeing America united, the
Speaker 10: difference between a millennial in my view, in a gen
Speaker 10: zer is a millennial. Remember September eleventh and September twelfth
Speaker 10: and thirteenth. For that period of time when we came together,
Speaker 10: a red county in a blue county hung the flag.
Speaker 2: We came together.
Speaker 1: It's like.
Speaker 2: It was a short pair of fract This.
Speaker 10: Generation doesn't understand that, and it's been division after division,
Speaker 10: and it would be easy for them, in my opinion,
Speaker 10: to not engage in politics, not try to work with
Speaker 10: other people, to try to how much of.
Speaker 1: That is a fiction?
Speaker 5: How much of that is imposed upon them through the
Speaker 5: algorithm and through the media that somehow, you know, we
Speaker 5: were just talking about this. A young woman in the
Speaker 5: audience said, how do you remain hopeful? And I said,
Speaker 5: the way I remain hopeful is to separate the world
Speaker 5: that you read about and hear about on the news
Speaker 5: and in the algorithm from the world that you experience
Speaker 5: as a human being every day. And aren't we by
Speaker 5: creating these data points of the horror that they all
Speaker 5: live in, Like, yeah, it sucks to have shooter drills,
Speaker 5: but we had nuclear war drills where we hit under desks, right,
Speaker 5: And I didn't know that much about the atomic bomb
Speaker 5: but I was pretty sure my desk wouldn't help. But
Speaker 5: do you understand what I'm saying, Like, do so we
Speaker 5: create this mythology around these things that is part of
Speaker 5: that separation.
Speaker 2: But there's nothing.
Speaker 10: Seeing children slaughtered in schools we didn't see a nuclear
Speaker 10: war is not mythology.
Speaker 1: But we were seeing in Vietnam. We were seeing I mean.
Speaker 10: Right, no, we are and we are seeing that. But
Speaker 10: what I'm telling you is, I listen, there's elements of this.
Speaker 10: I agree, and we collectively should be putting this into
Speaker 10: context for people.
Speaker 2: It does stress them out. I agree with that. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 10: But what I'm saying is that we just we don't
Speaker 10: have to agree that, but we just have to understand
Speaker 10: the way that they feel and where they're coming from
Speaker 10: and help them, help themselves and help us.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 10: That's my message, And in these issues are real because
Speaker 10: we could work a summer job as an intern or
Speaker 10: cutting grass in a ford, a four year me one
Speaker 10: year tuition the public of private university.
Speaker 2: We could do that in the fifties, sixties, seventies, and eighties.
Speaker 2: Young people can't do that today.
Speaker 10: Okay, young you could work a one job and afford
Speaker 10: a house.
Speaker 2: These are the rights.
Speaker 10: Not only are is this generation losing reproductive healthcare from
Speaker 10: the Supreme Court, but this is a generation who feels
Speaker 10: like they're losing other rights. The rights to attend a
Speaker 10: college without going broke if you work hard, right, the
Speaker 10: rights to own a home or piece of property.
Speaker 2: Right, those are the rights, and those are.
Speaker 1: That a different conversation. Isn't that that's it?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: It's about any It's not.
Speaker 5: Listen, young people live in the same economy that we
Speaker 5: all live in, and you know, I would look at
Speaker 5: it like sometimes we'll think like I happen to be
Speaker 5: in an unbelievably fortunate situation. But I look at the
Speaker 5: crunch that people feel, you know, just as they get
Speaker 5: into middle age after having worked for so long, and
Speaker 5: they just get to that college age where they're putting
Speaker 5: their kids through college, their parents start to need help
Speaker 5: and you're in that crazy squeeze. But separating that through
Speaker 5: generations isn't isn't that losing the overall thread?
Speaker 1: Economically?
Speaker 10: There is clearly economic stress around all Americans right now,
Speaker 10: right right listen, Before we did the survey, do we.
Speaker 1: Really need to talk to the gen Z anymore before?
Speaker 1: Don't we know enough already? I watched the TikTok It's everywhere?
Speaker 1: Are they? Do they?
Speaker 5: Do you think social media has hurt them?
Speaker 2: Unquestionably it's hurt them. Really, yeah, it's hurt them.
Speaker 5: What would you do to ameliorate this feeling that gen
Speaker 5: Z is having and and to or has it helped
Speaker 5: them organize? And so you wouldn't lose it because it's
Speaker 5: a double edge.
Speaker 2: There's it's certainly some pros to it.
Speaker 10: I mean, there are folks who feel vulnerable who can
Speaker 10: find community on that space where they can find in
Speaker 10: their own in their own community, and that's good, right,
Speaker 10: they can organize from it. But the degree to which
Speaker 10: fear is instilled in their lives. I was talking the
Speaker 10: other day in terms of what people are anxious about,
Speaker 10: and a lot of young men I talk to you
Speaker 10: have feeds every morning of car crashes, like horrible, horrible
Speaker 10: car crushes in their TikTok Instagram feeds where they're concerned
Speaker 10: about driving to work, the economic fears about what Yeah,
Speaker 10: like in terms of the algorithms, right, Oh, it just
Speaker 10: feeds them car car crashes to them, it feeds car crashes.
Speaker 1: Does that even start.
Speaker 2: That's just one of that's just that's just kind of
Speaker 2: one example.
Speaker 5: Can I tell you all I get is that one
Speaker 5: girl going uh on two days into college and on
Speaker 5: three leg shows behind and then it's just a thousand
Speaker 5: people dancing to that.
Speaker 2: That's your That's that's you, that's your algorithm. Right, that's uh,
Speaker 2: they found you.
Speaker 1: I'm doing it wrong.
Speaker 5: Uh, thank you very much for coming by Harvard's John Dolibobe.
Speaker 5: Uh it is uh, what is the name of the
Speaker 5: book again?
Speaker 1: Fight den Z. We're taking great back over this.
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