1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 1: It's that time time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: So Michael Verie Show is on the air. 3 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 3: It is time we revisit COVID. There are people trying 4 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 3: to bring it back. It's like bell bottoms and wings 5 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: and beads. There are just things people keep trying to 6 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 3: bring back. Mary Tally Bowden is a reminder as to 7 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 3: why we should not. We still don't have all the information. 8 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 3: We still have not revealed all the misinformation, we still 9 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: have not cast blame, and of course, most importantly, we 10 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 3: still have not punished those who deserve to be punished. 11 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: Mary Tally Boden has a new book out. Oh I 12 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 3: did not realize. Did you see the name of the book, 13 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 3: How Michael Barry. 14 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: Changed My life? Wow? That is really nice. 15 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 3: Mary Tally, welcome to the program. 16 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: Thank you. 17 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 4: Yes, the majority of the book is all about you, Michael. 18 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 3: She did threaten that I should probably read it before 19 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: she published it because I wouldn't like some of it. 20 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: I said, that's okay, I just won't read it. I'll 21 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: just make sure nobody reads it. I'll just say it 22 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 3: didn't get published. First of all, let's go back to 23 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: the first time you were on. You told Ramona it 24 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 3: was August of twenty one. It was not It was 25 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: spring of twenty twenty. COVID was not a big deal yet. 26 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: And I had you on because I saw a video 27 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: of you that described self described you as doctor snotsucker, 28 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: and I said, any attractive of woman, doctor who can 29 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: go by that name, that's that's I like her already. 30 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 3: And then I had you on and we'd never met, 31 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 3: and I kidded with you relentlessly, and you told me 32 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 3: afterwards that everybody said I was mean to you. Does 33 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: any of that jog your memory? 34 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: Yes, well, don't take this the wrong way. 35 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 4: But as you were, well, I, I mean, I honestly 36 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 4: had no idea who you were. 37 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: I ever listened to. No, I'm just saying no. 38 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 4: But it just speaks to the fact that I was 39 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 4: not political at all. Like I had never turned on 40 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 4: an AM radio talk show in my life, and I 41 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 4: did not realize what I was. 42 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: Getting myself into when I talked to you and then. 43 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 4: But I'm very grateful, So let's just set the record straight. 44 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 4: It was quite traumatic that interview because it went on 45 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 4: for three hours and I had actually ever done an 46 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 4: interview like that. I'd never done a live interview uh. 47 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 4: And I was not political, so I didn't know what 48 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 4: I was getting myself into. But I am very grateful Michael. 49 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: And we had dinner that night and my wife explained 50 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 3: to you, Oh, no, no, he he's that's he's jocular 51 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 3: with people. He really likes. That just means he really 52 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 3: likes you. And it is oh okay if that's what 53 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 3: that means, all right. Uh, let's talk about your journey. 54 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 3: So you went from being a very successful doctor with 55 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 3: your own what was it oto laryngology? Remember you remember Oto? 56 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: What is it called. 57 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: Od laryngology? 58 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: Yes? 59 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: Yes, And I told you that was a dumb word. 60 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: And you didn't appreciate that. And I said, just be 61 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 3: an E and T. And you didn't appreciate that because 62 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: nobody ever appreciates me. And you went from being a 63 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: person with a successful practice in a great location of beautiful, 64 00:03:54,800 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: beautiful space, a beautiful, beautiful kids, everything going for you 65 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 3: at the corner of Kirby and Richmond, to in relatively 66 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: short order, COVID begins to accelerate. And you did what 67 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: has to still seem crazy to you. You did what 68 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 3: we thought doctors were supposed to do. You passionately zealously 69 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 3: tried to heal people and treat them. Tell a little 70 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 3: bit about that story, because that gets us to why 71 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: you wrote the book and all the horrible things that 72 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 3: happened to you and are still happening. 73 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 74 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 4: So, I mean I had a very quiet practice your 75 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 4: nose and throat, and you know, we're used to treating 76 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: respiratory infections, that's part and parcels are specialty. And so 77 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 4: when patients started coming in, I you know, we didn't 78 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 4: know what we were dealing with necessarily, but I just 79 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 4: kind of used common sense and I just didn't I 80 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 4: didn't have the heart to turn people away, and I 81 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 4: wasn't scared of getting sick, so I just let people in. 82 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 4: And at first, yeah, I wasn't. I was pretty mainstream. 83 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 4: I used monoclonal antibodies and those worked great and they 84 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 4: weren't controversial. But then the government took away distribution of 85 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 4: monoclona antibodies, it became harder and harder to get, and 86 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 4: so that's when I turned to ivermectin, and I was 87 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 4: very diligent about making sure it was safe before using 88 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 4: it because of all the controversy. And what I found 89 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 4: is I was still able to keep people out of 90 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 4: the hospital using ivermettin. At the same time, I was 91 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 4: seeing that these COVID shots were not working. And at 92 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 4: the time I had a collegial relationship with Houston Methodists. 93 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 4: I had privileges there, but only as a backstop as 94 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 4: ear nose and throat. 95 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: I do outpatient surgery. 96 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 4: Never used the hospital, and I was actually collaborating with 97 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 4: them on research. But when I saw that these shots 98 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 4: weren't working, and as Methodists was the first hospital in 99 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,239 Speaker 4: the country to mandate the shots, and that was five 100 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 4: months before Biden, so they paved the way for the 101 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 4: rest of the country. It was a big deal. So 102 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 4: I started seeing that these shots weren't working because I 103 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 4: was testing people and I saw that the people coming 104 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 4: in who were vaccinated were just as sick, if not sicker. 105 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 4: I reached out to them, I said, hey, what's going on. 106 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 4: They gas lit me. They said, oh, it just lowers 107 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 4: the severity. Well, I started speaking out on social media 108 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 4: and that was my fatal mistake, and they came after 109 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 4: me very publicly, very harshly. They suspended my privileges and 110 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 4: I found out about it from the media. I found 111 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 4: out about it from a reporter at the Houston Chronicle. 112 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 4: So it just upended my life very quickly. I had 113 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 4: people from you know, CNN watching them posts. I had 114 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 4: people screaming at me from Australia and calling me all 115 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 4: sorts of names, and I just decided to fight back. 116 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 4: And I'm grateful to you because you really you were 117 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 4: the first to give me a voice and help me 118 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 4: in that fight. 119 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 3: As as methodists began to attack you, as your credibility 120 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: was attacked, as people who never met you, were never 121 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: your patient, knew nothing about your body of work, began 122 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 3: to say and do horrible things related to you. 123 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: What sustained you through that. 124 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: Period, well the truth. 125 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 4: I mean, when you're standing by the truth, it's not 126 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 4: so hard and seeing the patient's firsthand and witness everything 127 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 4: that I have stood by is what I have witness firsthand. 128 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 4: And when you treat alsums of patients with the same 129 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 4: disease and a very short period of time, you quickly 130 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: become an expert. That's how you learn as a doctor. 131 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: You know based on how people respond to the treatment plan. 132 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 4: And so I was very confident in what. 133 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: I was doing. 134 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 4: I was seeing results, I was keeping people out of 135 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 4: the hospital and I was telling the truth. And when 136 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 4: you have the truth, it's very easy to keep fighting. 137 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, you say that now that it was pretty nasty, 138 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: but they put you through. Are we going to talk 139 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 3: about what we have learned from all of this? The 140 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: book is Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, the Treatments and the Lies. 141 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: Mary tallybot Doctor Mary tallybut our guest coming up. 142 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: The Michael Berry Show, Oh No, holds about actually starts 143 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: Sunday again. It's totally different. It would be cool if 144 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: it was okay. 145 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 3: Doctor Mary Tally. Boden is our guest. Her book, Dangerous Misinformation, 146 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: The Virus, the Treatment and the Lies. Looking back now, 147 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: with the body of knowledge you have, there are probably 148 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 3: five people in the country who've treated the most COVID patients, 149 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 3: and you would be one of those five. You've been 150 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 3: on Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and most everywhere else talking 151 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 3: about what happened and what happened to you. Let's start 152 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: with what happened. You talked about monoclonal antibodies which you 153 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: were unable to get, which was an effective treatment. You 154 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 3: talked about ivermectin. Going back and knowing what we know now, 155 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 3: you are King for a day and you get to 156 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: announce this is what we're going to do to treat COVID. 157 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: What would you do. 158 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 4: Well, you know, not certainly not introduce a gene modifying 159 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 4: experimental shot that doesn't work and mandate the country all 160 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 4: get it and give it to small babies. A monocla antibizer, 161 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 4: an option ivermectin worked very well, and yeah, a lot 162 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 4: of times you'd have to use in combination with other 163 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 4: medications for more severe cases. Breathing treatments that was a 164 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 4: big I mean, the hospitals would not even allow patients 165 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 4: to get breathing treatments. 166 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: I talked to somebody yesterday who. 167 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 4: Was in the hospital and he would sneak into his 168 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 4: bathroom while he was in the hospital and give himself 169 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 4: breathing treatments and tell the nurses he was taking a shower. 170 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: I mean, how absurd is that. 171 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 4: But yeah, and you know, basically just giving the people 172 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 4: in the front lines of people actually treating COVID patients. 173 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: More say in the matter. 174 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 4: I mean, they were dictating standard of care over zoom calls. 175 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 4: You know, government officials who had no first hand experience 176 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 4: actually treating these patients. 177 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 3: There are so many things I want to uncover here. 178 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 3: Do you do anything differently in your personal medical regimen 179 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 3: or advise your patients to since COVID that you learned 180 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 3: or adapted. 181 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 4: Well, I'm more diligent about vitamin D. I look at 182 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 4: the most common lab abnormality I find is a low 183 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 4: vitamin D and the lab will tell you it needs 184 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 4: to be above thirty, but optimally you want it to 185 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 4: be above fifty. And people that are even taking supplements 186 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 4: are often under. 187 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: Fifty, so that I would say. 188 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 4: That's sort of the most the biggest thing in terms 189 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 4: of keeping your immune system healthy. 190 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 3: That's the answer vitamin The reason for the vitamin D 191 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: is to strengthen your immune system, right right. 192 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 4: I'm also you know I knew this before, but you 193 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 4: know sugar. You know, infections love sugar, So like managing 194 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 4: your weight, and you know, I'm a big fan of 195 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 4: carnivore diet, you know, eliminating all carbohydrates. You don't have 196 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 4: to do it for the rest of your life, but 197 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 4: it really it helps you break down fat. And you know, 198 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 4: the low the carbohydrates, the sugar infections just feed on that. 199 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 4: So keeping your weight under control and limiting your sugar 200 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 4: intake is big. 201 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: But let me ask you this, and I guess this 202 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 3: would also be true of you. It would be because 203 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 3: I've seen it. Is it possible to be on the 204 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: carnivore diet without posting about it fifty eight times per day? 205 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: Is? Does it still work? 206 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 4: Okay? 207 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: Can you? 208 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 3: Can? 209 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: You still do it? 210 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 4: But what bothers? I'm just trying to fight all the 211 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 4: ozimpic propaganda. That's my purpose in doing that, that there's 212 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 4: a better way than injecting yourself with a medication that 213 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 4: costs twelve hundred dollars a month. So that's my past. 214 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 4: That's why I'm so passionate about carnivore. I just feel 215 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 4: like we've got to counteract all that big pharma propaganda. 216 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 3: But realistically, realistically you, I mean, look at your life. 217 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: You went to Stanford, you you went to medical school, 218 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 3: you went to specialized training. You've been a single mom, 219 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: you've opened your own practice, you've had multiple employees, you're 220 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: a fitness buff, You've. 221 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: Done a lot of things. 222 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 3: Most people, if we're being honest, most people don't have 223 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: your level of discipline. So a person that's not able 224 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: to shed the weight or not willing, let me say 225 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 3: that not willing to shed the weight. The ozembic semagluetide 226 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 3: category has been a godsend to them because sure, what 227 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 3: you're doing is working, but it's it's tough, and we 228 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: know most people are. 229 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: Not going to do that. 230 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. It's so rewarding when you start 231 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 4: doing the carnivore. I mean it's a bit hard at 232 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 4: first because the sugar cravings are intense, but you start 233 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 4: losing weight so quickly and you're you know, I would 234 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 4: bring bacon to or I would eat bacon all day 235 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 4: and eat steak and eggs. And it was shocking to 236 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 4: me because that just sort of goes against what we've 237 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 4: been told this whole time that you know. 238 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: Fat is bad for you. 239 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 4: You actually use fat as energy instead of sugar, and 240 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 4: it's amazing. It's very good for your brain too. You 241 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 4: can focus better. They're using it now for mental illness 242 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 4: to treat mental illness, so used it for treating seizures. 243 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 4: So I don't know. 244 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: I think it's work. 245 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 4: It doesn't hurt to try it, you know, And what 246 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 4: I was just I was shocked by the results, and 247 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 4: so I was able to maintain it. I was very 248 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 4: strict for six months. I'm not strict about now because 249 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 4: I got to the point where I had to keep 250 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 4: buying new clothes and I was it was I didn't 251 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 4: want to lose any more weight. So I'm not strict 252 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 4: about it anymore. But it's the results are pretty. 253 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 3: Impressive for somebody that does want to try it. Was 254 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: there a particular book or site that you used as 255 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 3: a guideline. 256 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, So there's a doctor who's pretty popular. 257 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: Online, Ken Barry. 258 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 4: He has a lot of YouTube videos and I've actually 259 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 4: interviewed him to he has a lot of great information. 260 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: How important when you look at now how you've changed 261 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 3: and how you advise patients to change. How important in 262 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: all of that is diet And what are the other 263 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 3: aspects of diet that you now are are advising that 264 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: are not within your original core competency. 265 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 4: Well, I honestly think managing your weight is the number 266 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 4: one thing you can do for your health, because if 267 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 4: you're overweight, it affects everything else. It leads to high 268 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: blood pressure, it leads to heart disease, cancer, So it's fundamental. 269 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 4: And yeah, I think we basically covered My big approach 270 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 4: is limiting the carbohydrates as much as you can, and 271 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 4: then you know, exercise. I don't think people exercise. I 272 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 4: think is the best thing you can do for your 273 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 4: mental health. And you never regret exercising when you do it. 274 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 4: You never want to do it, but when you're done, 275 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 4: you're so you're. 276 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: So glad you did it right. 277 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: You just have to remember that every time you're not 278 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 4: wanting to exercise. But I think it's the best thing 279 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 4: you can do for your mental health and relieving stress 280 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 4: and sleeping better. 281 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: It's very basic, and. 282 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 4: We've kind of lost that in medicine, and you know, honestly, 283 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 4: you're not really taught that in medical school. It comes 284 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 4: from from life lessons more than anything. 285 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: It's amazing. 286 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 3: I follow so many wellness folks, some doctors, many not. 287 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: And the consistency of cholesterol. 288 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: Is not your enemy, meets not your enemy. 289 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 3: Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment and the Lives. Mary 290 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: Tally Boden is our guests will continue our conversation coming up. 291 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: Ting must be right. You are listening to Michael Berry. 292 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: The Win. 293 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 2: Mary Tally Boden is our guest. 294 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 3: Doctor Mary Tally Boden the new book Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, 295 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: The Treatment and the Lies let's talk about what happened 296 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 3: to you personally. When did you first realize that simply 297 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: practicing medicine, trying to heal people, which is supposed to 298 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 3: be your calling, was subjecting you to professional and personal 299 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 3: of problems. Real I don't recall anybody attacked like this. 300 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 3: Maybe Jack Covorkian doctor death that that that may be 301 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 3: the only person I've ever seen attacked in this manner 302 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 3: to the extent that you were. 303 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I wasn't the only one out there 304 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 4: getting attacked, believe me. I mean, I'm actually getting ready. 305 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 4: The Federation of State Medical Boards is this national entity. 306 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: That basically sent out. 307 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 4: A proclamation to all the state medical boards to go 308 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 4: after doctors who were, you know, saying the things that 309 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 4: I was saying. And initially I was fairly conservative in 310 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 4: what I said compared to what I say now. 311 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I said vaccine mandates. 312 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 4: Are wrong and iber mechin works, and that's that's I 313 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 4: said that online, and that's what really got got me 314 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 4: in trouble. So yeah, it's uh, you know, it's basically yeah, 315 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 4: I treated a lot of COVID patients, but the grand 316 00:17:59,440 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 4: scheme of. 317 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: Things I was nothing. It was you know, I was 318 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: just just I. 319 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 4: Really did make a dent and things, but Houston Methodists 320 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 4: went after me so publicly that it just launched me 321 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 4: into the public eye. And then at that point I 322 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 4: felt like I had no choice but to fight back very. 323 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 2: Hard and walk people through. 324 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 3: I don't know how many people know exactly how bad 325 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: it got for you, And there were moments there where 326 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: you thought you would lose your ability to practice medicine. 327 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I'm still fighting for my medical li since 328 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 4: the Medical Board has been after me for four years 329 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 4: now and involves a patient Jason Jones, who sheriff's deputy, 330 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 4: father of six. He was dying in the hospital Texas 331 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 4: Hugly Hospital in Fort Worth. His wife sued the hospital 332 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,239 Speaker 4: because they refused to allow him to try ivermectin as 333 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 4: a last ditch effort. 334 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: They were talking hospice. 335 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 4: I testified. I actually testified with Senator Bob Hall, and 336 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 4: we won the case. The court was ordered to grant 337 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 4: me emergency temporary privileges. We show up, a nurse shows 338 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 4: up at the hospital to give him ivermactin. She's greeted 339 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 4: by the police and they turned me into the Medical 340 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 4: Board saying that I sent a nurse into the hospital 341 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 4: without privileges. The patient never was allowed to get the ivermectin. 342 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 4: He did make it out of the hospital, but he 343 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 4: was never. 344 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: Able to fully recover and he passed away. 345 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 4: And now, ironically, as of yesterday, it looks like Texas 346 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 4: is going to make ivermectin over the counter, which is 347 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 4: bittersweet for me because yes, it should be over the counter. 348 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 4: But you know, there's so many people that had this 349 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 4: patient tried to get ivermectin before going in the hospital 350 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 4: and he couldn't. But had he been able to access 351 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 4: early treatment, I doubt. 352 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: Any of this would have happened. 353 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 4: And that's a story that many people can relate to, 354 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 4: not just some Texas but across the country. So the 355 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 4: medical Board, I'm still you know, they are dragging us 356 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 4: out as long as they possibly can, and you know, 357 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 4: I have lost so far, but I plan on appealing 358 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 4: once I'm waiting to hear my punishment. So they determined 359 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 4: that I was guilty because I set up nurse to 360 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 4: the hospital without having been granted privileges, and now I'm 361 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 4: waiting to hear my punishment, and at that point I 362 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 4: will have to appeal further. 363 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 3: It's just insane. Greg Abbott could make this stop, but 364 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: he doesn't. You posted something a couple of weeks ago. 365 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 3: I get this question a lot since since the spike 366 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: protein seems to be a big problem. We continue to 367 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 3: see people dropping dead with no chronic illness at rates 368 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: far above we've seen in history, and the belief being 369 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 3: that the mRNA quote unquote vaccine, which wasn't is the 370 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: reason for it. You've talked a lot about spike proteins. 371 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 3: Can you explain what is going on there? 372 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 4: Well, spike protein is the bad part of the virus, 373 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 4: and for some reason they decided to create a injection 374 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 4: that would where your body could produce spike protein on 375 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 4: its own indefinitely, with no stop button. So the COVID shots, 376 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 4: you know, unfortunately, we do not have a way to 377 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 4: measure spike protein in the body, at least the one 378 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 4: that's available to the public. 379 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: So what I've been looking at is spike protein anti 380 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: body levels, and. 381 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 4: It's a little bit muddy, but what I'm seeing is 382 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 4: very concerning because the patients that have gotten the COVID shots, 383 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 4: and this is just my patience, it's almost two hundred patients. 384 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 4: I've looked at the average level is ten times higher 385 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 4: the antibody level. Then patients that did not get never 386 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 4: got the COVID shot, and this is four years after 387 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 4: the fact, and most of these people got two, maybe 388 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 4: three shots, and many of these patients the level is 389 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 4: so high that it exceeds the upper limit of the test, 390 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 4: which is twenty five thousand. So this average that I'm 391 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 4: seeing and what I'm seeing is about thirteen thousand, and 392 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 4: the patients that got the shot is actually an underestimation 393 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 4: because we don't know how high some of these patients 394 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 4: are going. And then patients that did not get the shots, 395 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 4: the average that I'm seeing is thirteen hundred. 396 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 3: It does. 397 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 4: It's just not normal, and we definitely need more research, 398 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 4: and we need the NIH to help us with that 399 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 4: research because there's just not enough people willing to even 400 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 4: acknowledge that there might be a problem. 401 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 3: How many times you think you used the term spike 402 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 3: protein before COVID? 403 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: Never? Absolutely not, Yeah, never. 404 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 3: It's crazy. It's a concept I didn't even understand. My 405 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 3: brother had to take the shot to continue being a 406 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: police officer. He did not want to take the shot, 407 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 3: and he dies shortly thereafter. And obviously I'm very bitter 408 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: about that. Reading about Jason Jones, I saw a post 409 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 3: you put up with his widow and his children. Obviously, 410 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: as you said, they wouldn't give a Deputy Jones ivermectin, 411 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 3: and he died, And now ivermectin's going to be over 412 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: the counter in the state of Texas. It's just it's very, 413 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 3: very frustrating watching our people die seemingly willfully, not by neglect, 414 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 3: but by will because people refused to allow the treatments 415 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 3: that were being proven to work. And that makes me anger, angry, 416 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 3: and bitter on a level that is not healthy. 417 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: I can relate. It's basically politics. 418 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 4: Or science, and it's bizarre to me that. I mean, 419 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 4: it's great to see that more and more states are 420 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 4: making ivermectin over the counter, but they're treating it like 421 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 4: the abortion till there's nothing ethically controversial about ibermectin. If 422 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 4: it's safe in Texas, it's safe throughout the country. And honestly, 423 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 4: we need the FDA just to make the make the 424 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 4: drug over the counter because it is. It is incredibly safe. 425 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 4: It's safer than than antibiotics, it's safer than taylanal uh 426 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 4: and patients are going to the feed store to get 427 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 4: their medication, which I at this point I think it 428 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 4: must be safe because you would be hearing otherwise. 429 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: But this is America. 430 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 4: We should not be going we should not have to 431 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 4: go to the feed store to get our medications. Uh So, 432 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 4: I really hope that the FDA will put science over 433 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 4: politics and just make it. 434 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: Over the counter. 435 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 3: The fact that they don't is a wake up call 436 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 3: through every American. I mean a lot of a lot 437 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 3: of dirty things were revealed out of all of this 438 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 3: dangerous misinformation, the virus of treatment and the lies. 439 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 2: Mary taly Boden is our guess. 440 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 3: Damn it all right, this is Mark Chestnut in enjoy 441 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: as are of talk radio. 442 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 2: Sound of Carlos. 443 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 3: So we've gone from Mary Jane to Maria. 444 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: Oh it's Mary in Spanish. Oh, I had no idea. 445 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: That's just weird. That's just weird. 446 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: You could have done doctor, doctor, you could have done 447 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 3: all the doctor stuff, You could have done all sorts 448 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 3: of other stuff, and you choose to focus on the 449 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 3: first name and and derivations of the first names. That's weird, 450 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 3: very weird. Ramona, not normal behavior. Who Rogan wouldn't have 451 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 3: done this? You're feeling jealous, dangerous misinformation, the virus, the treatment, 452 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 3: and the lies. Mary Tally Boden, the doctor author, a 453 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 3: celebrity guest of huge programs, Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, you know, 454 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 3: tell us something about those appearances, because I can't tell 455 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 3: you how many people they think we're like big buddies. 456 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 3: They send messages, Oh my god, your girl Mary Telly 457 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: Boten is on Tucker Carlson and she's doing great. I 458 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 3: don't know if they thought you were gonna flop or what. 459 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 3: Talk about that. How was that experience? 460 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 4: Well, the best part of that experience is the vindication 461 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 4: it's given to my kids because people are now saying. 462 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: Oh, your mom was on Joe Rogan, So that that. 463 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 4: Has been nice for the kids because they they had 464 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 4: to sort of hide who their mother was for a 465 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 4: few years. 466 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: And I'll say, like, Tucker Carlson. 467 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 4: Is very authentic and very candid. He told me things 468 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 4: I couldn't believe he was telling me off air. And 469 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 4: Joe Rogan was also great. It's interesting Joe Rogan, you 470 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 4: would have no idea where. 471 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,239 Speaker 1: His studio is. 472 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 4: It's in this like non descript sort of warehouse looking. 473 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: Thing in Austin. 474 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 4: And yeah, I brought I brought one kid to uh Tucker, 475 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 4: and I brought another kid to Rogan and now to 476 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 4: get two more kids to two other shows. 477 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, the best part of it was. 478 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 4: Was the kids and having them have some pride in 479 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 4: their mother because what they're hearing from other people. 480 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 3: It also caused your social media presence where you talk 481 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 3: a lot about what you're going through, and you talk 482 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 3: a lot about COVID and the COVID overreaction and the 483 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 3: regulation and all of those sorts. I mean it really 484 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 3: amplified your message dramatically, I guess. 485 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 4: I mean I didn't see my follower account explode or 486 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 4: anything like that. 487 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: I mean it just, you know, it's been. 488 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 4: Going up very steadily. I didn't see some sort of 489 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 4: huge explosion. 490 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, I. 491 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 3: Guess is there any regret you have through all of this, 492 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 3: going back to the day before you got involved. 493 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 4: I mean it has taken as toll. I am exhausted, 494 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 4: and if you know I'd been giving. If I'd been 495 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 4: given a choice, I don't know that I would have 496 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 4: chosen us. But I mean I've learned a lot and 497 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 4: I'm a lot stronger. I mean I used to hate 498 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 4: public speaking, and I'm pretty introverted, and so I've been 499 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 4: forced to use my voice and yeah, I feel like 500 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 4: I can help people by speaking out and so you know, 501 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 4: it hasn't been great, but I wouldn't I wouldn't change it. 502 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: At this point. 503 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 3: I think we all have purpose in life, and some 504 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 3: of us find it and some don't, and sometimes that 505 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 3: purpose changes with each season in life. But I think 506 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 3: you met your moment and I think maybe you never 507 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 3: expected to be in the situations where you ended up, 508 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 3: and yet you rose to the occasion in a way 509 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 3: you probably never could have guessed you would summon that 510 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 3: level of strength, and that has to be that has 511 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 3: to be a pretty cool experience to look back on that. 512 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean things came together in a way that 513 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 4: made it impossible not to fight back. So it seems 514 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 4: sort of fortuitous more than me actually choosing a path. 515 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 4: It just kind of happened. Uh, And yeah, it's like 516 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 4: I said, it's it strengthened me in ways I never imagined. 517 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 4: And yeah, I would just encourage people. I mean, it's 518 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 4: hard when you speak the truth and you're outspoken about 519 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 4: what you're seeing, it's it's difficult. But after going through 520 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 4: a very low point. I feel like I'm going, you know, 521 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 4: I'm rising now. I'm still in survival mode, but I 522 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 4: do have I have one win. I did, I sue 523 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 4: the FDA in one but we have we still have 524 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 4: so much more fighting to do. So yeah, I want 525 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 4: I want my story to be a triumph, not just survival. 526 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 3: Well, and and that brings us to the next thing 527 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 3: and what your life looks like and where you see 528 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 3: that going forward in the near and long term. Obviously 529 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 3: you've moved your your clinic, you have they change. I 530 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 3: get emails from folks who say they can't get an 531 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 3: appointment with you, and I say, she's not taking new patients. 532 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 3: She has her political side, she has her medical side. 533 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 3: What does that look like for you in then near 534 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 3: and long term? 535 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm taking new patients now. Just I 536 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 4: was moving and it was just too chaotic to try. 537 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 4: I didn't want to, you know, take on more than 538 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 4: I could buye shoe off. And I'm going to, you know, 539 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 4: I mean to continue to practice. I think that's key 540 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 4: because it keeps your finger on the pulse of what's 541 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 4: going on. I am going to do a weekly podcast. 542 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 4: I'm collaborating with an independent journalist Shannon and Joy and 543 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 4: coming on after her show, and it's going to be 544 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 4: called on Call with doctor Mary Tally Boden, and I'm 545 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 4: going to focus on answering questions because. 546 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure you can relate. 547 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 4: My dms on social media are just flooded with people 548 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 4: with questions and requests and I just can't. 549 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: Keep up with it. So I see this as a way, okay, 550 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: I can. 551 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 4: I can answer the questions that the most people have 552 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 4: and get it all done once a week and give 553 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 4: people a voice. I mean, I've been interviewing people on 554 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 4: this other podcast platform called America Alloud News, and I 555 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 4: find it very gratifying because, like you, you gave me 556 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 4: a voice and it really was helpful. And so I 557 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 4: like giving other people a voice when they've been you know, 558 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 4: persecuted or beaten down and giving them a chance to 559 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 4: share their story. 560 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: I find that very gratifying. 561 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 2: And when will that begin? 562 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: In September, first week of September. It will be on Wednesdays. 563 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 2: Is it on call? 564 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 3: C A l L or c a w L Because 565 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 3: that's the national dish of Wales. It's a it's a thick, 566 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 3: it's like a stew. I think it would be awesome 567 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 3: if you did it as on call and people tune 568 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 3: in and they think they're going to get COVID talk 569 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 3: and instead you talked about how to make the best 570 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 3: Welsh stew. Now, that would be very normal. 571 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: Donald. I had that. That is the first I've heard 572 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: of that. 573 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 2: So I'll give it some thought, some thoughts. 574 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 3: I could see you being big and Cardiff, and it's 575 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 3: a whole new audience for you. You know, there's have 576 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 3: you been to Wills it's really beautiful, No, I haven't. 577 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 2: Wells. 578 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 3: It's like parts of Colorado that have no industry, no business, 579 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 3: no hardly anything, just a little resort shop there where 580 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 3: you hire some guide to go for a hike. And 581 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 3: I could see that being I could see that being 582 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 3: really your moment. You know, there's Peter mccallaugh, others. There's 583 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 3: all these different guys out there doing the medical thing. 584 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 3: You could do the Welsh stew thing ironically, but never 585 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 3: never acknowledge it's that. That would be the memory of 586 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,239 Speaker 3: Norm MacDonald living on Mary Tylly Bode. And I am 587 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 3: so proud to call you my friend. You are really 588 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 3: and I know you don't take well to compliments. You're 589 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 3: like Chad Nakanishi. But you really are a hero. What 590 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 3: you have done, the people you have saved, and the 591 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 3: voice you have found, and your willingness to continue to 592 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 3: fight and show people to fight the way Trump did 593 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 3: after he got shot in the head. It's incredibly inspiring. 594 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 3: The book is dangerous misinformation by it today, the virus, 595 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 3: the treatment, and the lies. Thank you, my dear, Thank 596 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 3: you for spending an hour with us. 597 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: Thank you, Michael Ramon. 598 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 3: Do you know what that would cost if we had 599 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 3: gone into her clinic? Did have been on our show 600 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 3: and there would have been needles involved.