1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: This Day in History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: Hello and Welcome to This Day in History Class, a 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: show that flips through the pages of history to deliver 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: old news in a new way. I'm Gabe Lucier, and 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: in this episode, we're talking about the life and death 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: of one of the most celebrated and most controversial children's 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: authors of the twentieth century. The day was May tenth, 8 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine. Beloved children's author Shelle Silverstein died of 9 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: a heart attack at his home in Key West, Florida. 10 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 2: He was sixty seven years old and was survived by 11 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: his son, Matthew. Most people remember Shelle Silverstein for his 12 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: tongue twisting poetry, whimsical, bittersweet stories, and for the charming 13 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: line drawings that accompanied them, all of which he drew himself. 14 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: Many of Shell's children's books, including The Giving Tree, A 15 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: Light in the Attic, and Falling Up, have become staples 16 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 2: of millions of personal libraries, those of both kids and adults, Because, 17 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: as anyone who's read his work knows, Shell Silverstein was 18 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: not your typical children's author. His poetry was a unique 19 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: mix of joyful absurdism, gross out humor, macabre twists and 20 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: sincere reflections. The result were musical verses that, while simple inform, 21 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: were deeply satisfying to hear, read, and to think about. 22 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 2: Since he is best known for his children's work, longtime 23 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: readers may be surprised to learn that Shell actually had 24 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: a long and varied career outside the genre. He was 25 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: a long time cartoonist for Playboy magazine, the author of 26 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: nine stage plays for adults, and even a semi successful 27 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: folk say during the nineteen sixties. But there are some 28 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: unifying threads between all his various works. Those include his dark, 29 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: gleeful sense of humor, his knack for ridiculing figures of authority, 30 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: and his promotion of personal empowerment. Sheldon Alan Silverstein was 31 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: born into a Jewish middle class family in Chicago, Illinois, 32 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: on September twenty fifth, nineteen thirty. Details of his early 33 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: life are largely unknown, beyond that as an adult, Silverstein 34 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: valued his privacy and never spoke at length about his 35 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: personal life or his childhood. One thing we do know 36 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: for sure about the young Shell Silverstein is that he 37 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: never intended to be a writer. His original aspiration was 38 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: to be a baseball player, a ladies man or preferably both. 39 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: In a rare nineteen seventy five interview with Publishers Weekly, 40 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: Silverstein recounted the death of that dream and how it 41 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: set him on the path to becoming an author and illustrator. 42 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: When I was a kid, he said, twelve to fourteen 43 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: around there, I would much rather have been a good 44 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: baseball player or a hit with the girls. But I 45 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: couldn't play ball, I couldn't dance. Luckily the girls didn't 46 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: want me. Not much I could do about that, so 47 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: I started to draw and to write. By the time 48 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: I got to where I was attracting girls, I was 49 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: already into work, and it was more important to me. 50 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: Silverstein may not have had the skills to be a 51 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: pro athlete, but he did spend five years working at 52 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: the Cubs in White Sox stadiums in Chicago. True, he 53 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: was a concessions vendor, paying his way through college, but 54 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: the job still gave him some valuable life lessons just 55 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: the same. For example, when a reporter later asked the 56 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: author what he had learned about people from his time 57 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: as a hot dog vendor, Silverstein replied, quote, I learned 58 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: they like mustard and they like a hot bun. Did 59 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: you know that if you steamed the bun first, they'll 60 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: really like it? Shell sold a lot of hot dogs 61 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: during his college years, but he never did did get 62 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: his degree. First, he attended the University of Illinois, but 63 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: was quickly kicked out due to his bad grades. Next, 64 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: he tried the Art Institute of Chicago, but wound up 65 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: dropping out after about a year. Lastly, he enrolled at 66 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: Chicago's Roosevelt University, where he studied English for a full 67 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: three years. His time at the school proved formative, as 68 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: it was there that Shell first started writing and cartooning 69 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: for the student paper. His flare for flaunting authority and 70 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: social norms was there even in his earliest work. For instance, 71 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 2: the first cartoon he ever published showed a naked student 72 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: smoking a cigarette in front of an angry professor. The 73 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: caption read, what do you mean no smoking? I thought 74 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: this was a liberal school. Before he had a chance 75 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: to finish his studies at Roosevelt, Shell was drafted into 76 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: the US Army in nineteen fifty three and sent to 77 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: fight in the Korean War. The grim experience likely colored 78 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 2: his often dark view of the world, but unexpectedly, it 79 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: also gave him the chance to earn his first art 80 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 2: related paycheck. During his tour of duty, Shell worked as 81 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: a cartoonist for the Pacific edition of the US military's 82 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: newspaper Stars and Stripes. But don't think he toned down 83 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 2: his style for Uncle Sam. On the contrary, one of 84 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: his cartoons almost got him court martialed. Apparently it implied 85 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 2: that officers were addressing their families in stolen uniforms, and 86 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: the higher ups didn't find it very funny. In the end, 87 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: Shell narrowly avoided the court martial by agreeing that his 88 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: future strips would only lampoon civilians and animals, not his 89 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: fellow soldiers. After being discharged from the Armed Forces in 90 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty five, Silverstein's publishing career really began to take shape. 91 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: He returned to Chicago and started working as a freelance cartoonist. 92 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 2: It went smoothly for a while, with him landing gigs 93 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: at magazines such as Sports, Illustrated, This Week, and Look. 94 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 2: The only downside was Shell didn't get much exposure from 95 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: those jobs, and none of them were steady work. However, 96 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty seven, Shell caught his big break when 97 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: he scored the job of resident cartoonist for Playboy, the 98 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 2: new adults only magazine had premiered just two years earlier, 99 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 2: allowing him to get in on the ground floor of 100 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: the operation. It wasn't just some short lived stint, either. 101 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 2: Shell Silverstein's cartoons appeared in every issue of Playboy from 102 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty seven all the way through the mid nineteen seventies. However, 103 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: that wasn't the only work of his that Playboy published. 104 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty one, the adult magazine published an excerpt 105 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: from a mock children's book that he'd been working on, 106 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: called Uncle Shelby's ab z Book, A Primer for Tender 107 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: Young Minds. Soon after the abridged version appeared in Playboy, 108 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: Shell actually published it separately as his very first book. 109 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 2: As you probably guessed, it wasn't really a kid's book. 110 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: It was men as a satirical spin on children's alphabet books, 111 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: the kind where each page gives you a letter, an illustration, 112 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: and a handy mnemonic to help kids learn each letter 113 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: and how it's used. Of course, teaching the alphabet wasn't 114 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: quite the goal in Uncle Shelby's case. Instead, his book 115 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: used associations that targeted the insecurities and gullibility of children, 116 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: playfully spurring them on into all kinds of mischief. For example, 117 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: the entry for e encouraged kids to hurl eggs at 118 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: the ceiling in order to feed the magic genie Ernie 119 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: who lived there. Another much darker entry advised kids to 120 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: pretend to drink Lye the next time they were craving 121 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: a piece of candy, because after the doctor pumps their stomach, 122 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: they'd be given quote, a nice red lollipop. Black humor aside, 123 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: the book was all in good fun and clearly was 124 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: never meant for kids in the slightest. However, it seems 125 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: that at least a few parents bought their kids a 126 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: copy by mistake, because from nineteen eighty five onward, the 127 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: print edition of Uncle Shelby's ABZ Book has included a 128 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: stamp right on the front cover that says a primer 129 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: for adults only. What's interesting is how well the tongue 130 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: in cheek book reflected the author's view of children's literature. 131 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: It's no secret that he disliked the way other authors 132 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: condescended to their young audience. Shell sometimes spoke out about 133 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 2: society's tendency to tone down the scarier elements of classic 134 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: fairy tales in order to make the stories fluffier and 135 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: more kid friendly. His distaste for that kind of overbearing 136 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: self censorship clearly informed his ABZ book, but ultimately he 137 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: realized that the best way to push against the stifling 138 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 2: status quo of children's books was to write one himself. 139 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,599 Speaker 2: According to Shell, it was a friend and fellow illustrator 140 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: named Tomi Ungerer who convinced him to give it a try, 141 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: and by convinced, I really mean forced, because the author 142 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: later said that unger quote practically dragged me kicking and 143 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: screaming into editor Ursula Nordstrom's office, and Nordstrom convinced me 144 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: that Tony was right. I could do children's books. With 145 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: that validation, Shell Silverstein made the bold move to stick 146 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 2: with the Uncle Shelby persona he had created for his 147 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 2: playboy work. He called his new book Uncle Shelby's Story 148 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 2: of Lufcadio The Lion Who Shot Back. It was an 149 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: appropriately twisted tale about a marshmallow loving lion who becomes 150 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: a famous marksman and has a bit of an identity 151 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 2: crisis in the process. You know, standard kids stuff. Laugh 152 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: CaTiO is one of Shell Silverstein's lesser known works, but 153 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: he quickly followed it up with perhaps his most famous, 154 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: The Giving Tree. He wrote it in nineteen sixty, one, 155 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: year after his first book, and then moved right along 156 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: to a third title called A Giraffe and a Half. 157 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: But while Shell's story of a generous apple Tree would 158 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: eventually become one of his defining works, at the time 159 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: it was written, no publisher would touch it. If you're 160 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: familiar with the story, you likely know why that's the case. 161 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: The Giving Tree is not a very happy story. In fact, 162 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: it's downright sad in some places, and if it has 163 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: a moral lesson to impart, it's a pretty ambiguous one. 164 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: That sense of uncertainty was in keeping with the author's 165 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: mission to be a new, more honest kind of children's author, 166 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: one who didn't talk down to child readers or sugarcoat 167 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: the world for them. Instead, Shell wanted to bridge the 168 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: gap between adult and children's writing, But from the publisher's perspective, 169 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: the Giving Tree was stuck somewhere in the middle of 170 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: that bridge. For example, one editor of Simon and Schuster 171 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: rejected the book, saying, quote, it's not a kid's book. 172 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: Too sad, and it isn't for adults either, too simple. 173 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: Another editor was even more direct in his response, which 174 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 2: simply said that tree is sick rot. It took some time, 175 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: but HarperCollins eventually came around publishing The Giving Tree in 176 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty four. The author definitely got the last laugh 177 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: on that one. Fast forward to today, and the book 178 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 2: has become one of the all time children's classics. Not 179 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 2: only is it sold over ten million copies, it's also 180 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 2: been translated into no less than thirty different languages, which 181 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: isn't too shabby for a story about a sick, neurotic 182 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: apple tree not wanting to be Pigeonholed. By the success 183 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: of The Giving Tree, Shel Silverstein continued as a traveling 184 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 2: reporter and cartoonist for Playboy magazine. In addition to writing 185 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 2: and drawing many more successful children's books, he also tried 186 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: out new mediums as well, including that of folk music. 187 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: Between nineteen fifty nine in the mid nineteen seventies, Shell 188 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: actually enjoyed a pretty successful music career, though not so 189 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: much as a singer. His voice was deemed too raspy 190 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: and jarring for most people's taste, though he still released 191 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: about a dozen albums of his own. His true talent, however, 192 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: was songwriting. He went on to write more than eight 193 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 2: hundred songs by the end of his life, many of 194 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: which were recorded and performed by some of the top 195 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: artists of his day, everyone from Waylon Jennings and Willie 196 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: Nelson to Jerry Lee Lewis and Johnny Cash. In fact, 197 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: shel Silverstein even won a Grammy for a song he 198 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: wrote for Cash. Nineteen sixty Nine's a Boy Named Sue 199 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 2: If you've never heard it, The song tells the story 200 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: of a boy who was saddled with the name Sue 201 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: by his absentee father. After being picked on all his 202 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: life or having a quote unquote girl's name. He swears 203 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 2: revenge and eventually tracks down his wayward dad. At that point, 204 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: the boy's father reveals that he only named his son 205 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: Sue because he wanted to make him tough, knowing that 206 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 2: he'd be forced to stand up for himself whenever people 207 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: made fun of him. For whatever reason. Sue accepts the explanation, 208 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: and father and son are reconciled. Take a listen, Well. 209 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: My daddy left Tom when I was three, and he 210 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: didn't leave much. Tomaw and me just this old guitar 211 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: and a empty bottle of food. I don't blame him, 212 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 3: because he running hit. But the meanest thing that he 213 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 3: ever did was before he left. 214 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: He was and named me Sue. 215 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 3: Well, he must have thought that it was quite a joke, 216 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 3: and it got a lot of laughs from lots of vote. 217 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 3: It seems I had to fight my whole life through. 218 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 3: Some gal would giggle and I'd get rid, and some 219 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 3: god laughed night and bust his head. I'll tell you 220 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 3: life ain't easy for a boy named Sue. 221 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 2: You might not expect such dark subject matter to come 222 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 2: from the mind of a celebrated children's author, but that 223 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: kind of black humor is par for the course in 224 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: shel Silverstein's poetry. One of my favorite examples is the 225 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: poem Dreadful from Where the Sidewalk Ends. Shelle gave a 226 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 2: much better reading than I could, so here he is 227 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 2: for the poem's final verse. 228 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: Someone hate the baby, What a frightful thing to eat? 229 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: Someone hate the baby? The one she wasn't very sweet. 230 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: It was a hardless thing to do. The policeman heaven 231 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: got a clue. They simply can't imagine who would go 232 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: and eat the baby? 233 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 2: Many of Shell's poems reflect a mischievous, even ghoulish sense 234 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: of humor. Some parents find it inappropriate, but kids can't 235 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: seem to get enough of it. In fact, I think 236 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: that's a big part of the appeal for young readers, 237 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 2: the hints of menace and sadness that underlines so much 238 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: of Shell's writing. Sure, the silliness and cleverness of his 239 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: rhymes also has a lot to do with it, as 240 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: does the musicality of his poems. They're just plain fun 241 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: both to read and to hear. But Silverstein's edge or 242 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: dark side, is the the thing that really separates his 243 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: verses from those of someone like Doctor Seuss, to whom 244 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: he was often compared. Another quick poem that goes a 245 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: long way toward explaining the Shell Silverstein difference is the 246 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: Land of Happy. It goes like this, Have you been 247 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: to the land of happy? Where everyone's happy all day, 248 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: where they joke and they sing of the happiest things, 249 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: and everything's jolly and gay. There's no one unhappy and happy. 250 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: There's laughter and smiles galore. I have been to the 251 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: land of Happy? What a bore. The reason that kind 252 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: of material is appealing to children is because on some level, 253 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: they recognize and appreciate the honesty of it. They know 254 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 2: that life isn't always safe and happy, because even at 255 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: an early age, kids sometimes don't feel that way themselves. 256 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: But unlike other authors, Shell Silverstein didn't pull any punches. 257 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: In fact, he once went on record with The New 258 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 2: New York Times about just how much he disliked happy 259 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: endings and magical solutions in children's stories. He felt those 260 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: easy answers were a cop out and that they created 261 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: a sense of alienation in the reader. He went on 262 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: to explain further, saying, quote, the child asks why I 263 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: don't have this happiness thing you're telling me about and 264 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: comes to think that when his joy stops, that he 265 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: has failed, that it won't come back. Shel Silverstein sought 266 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: to avoid that outcome in his own work. He wanted 267 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: to train kids not only to recognize that some stories 268 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: have sad endings, but to accept that and to still 269 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: enjoy the story regardless. It all goes back to that 270 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: revolutionary idea of his to be honest with children. A 271 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: parent's gut reaction is to try and spare their kids 272 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: the pain of sad unhappy endings whenever possible. But in 273 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: practice that just leaves them with an incomplete worldview, which 274 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: is far worse in the long run than a few 275 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: tears at story time. That said, it's important to note 276 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 2: that shell Silverstein was hardly a doom and gloom author. 277 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: In addition to his more light hearted verses, he also 278 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 2: penned some of the most inspirational children's poems to ever 279 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: grace a nursery. There are almost too many to choose from, 280 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: but to close out the show today, I want to 281 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 2: leave you with one of my personal favorites. It's called 282 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: Listen to the Muscins, and like many of the best 283 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: Shell Silverstein poems, it offers a pertinent lesson for readers 284 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: of any age. Listen to the Muscins. Child, Listen to 285 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: the don'ts, Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won't, 286 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: listen to the never haves. Then listen close to me. 287 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: Anything can happen, Child, Anything can be. I'm Gabe Lucier 288 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: and hopefully you now know a little more about history 289 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: today than you did yesterday. You can learn even more 290 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 2: about history by following us on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram 291 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 2: at TDI HC Show, and if you have any comments 292 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 2: or suggestions. Feel free to pass them along by writing 293 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: to This Day at iHeartMedia dot com. Thanks to Chandler 294 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: Mays and Ben Hackett for producing the show, and thank 295 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: you for listening. I'll see you back here again tomorrow 296 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: for another day in history class