WEBVTT - Ep. 296: Render - Mountain Goat Hunt and Mr. Ellis Bell 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.200 My name is Clay Neukleman. This is a production of 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:21.400 the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.720 we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:30.560 of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:35.360 F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.560 that's designed to be as rugged as the place as 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:46.520 we explore. Ready to go, and just like that, here 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:51.440 we are. We have we have a we have a 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.320 very We've got a great group of people here today 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:55.080 to talk about. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:56.080 We're gonna we're. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:57.800 Gonna spend a lot of time talking about two things. 0:00:57.840 --> 0:00:59.920 I want to talk about my goat hunt in Alaska. 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.360 We had a film come out just this week on 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.760 the Media YouTube channel, and I want to give some 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:10.200 behind the scenes. I have some props. Oh and I 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.360 kind of have a big story to tell that the 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:13.559 film just couldn't tell. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:14.360 Man. 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.360 Is as much as you would think that the medium 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.039 of video would be the primary way to tell a 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:23.640 story is not at all. Video is all hype and fluff. 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.919 Who writing and podcasting is the way you tell a story? 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.200 What do you think, Malco, I think you could throw 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:32.200 in storytelling? 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.360 Well, I mean, but what in what form? 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:39.600 Audio audio talking, yes, podcasts, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:41.039 guess I'm not sixty three. You know. 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.280 Sometimes sometimes when I'm talking to older people, I tell 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:47.880 them we have an internet radio program. 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:52.400 Yeah. I've explained it to many people that have been 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.920 on Bear Grease. It's kind of like a radio show, 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:56.840 but it's on the Internet and you listen to at anytime. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.880 But so, so, we made this big video about my goat, 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.600 and I'm going to talk about that. But secondly, we're 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:06.200 going to talk about a podcast that I think when 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:10.800 when when I heard the what our production team at 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.040 media finished up, Like me and Josh work on the 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:18.120 nuts and bolts and content, like we script Bear Grease 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:22.280 in our minds and then we basically give our design 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.800 to the production team that makes it, and so you know, 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.560 we hear kind of with imperfection, what we think it's 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.040 going to sound like, and then when we hear it, 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.840 it's like like pops And I feel like this is 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.560 one of the best Bear Grease of all time period. 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:44.040 That's my personal personal I just I just loved it. 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.280 I like the name of it. It kind of matches 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.800 that the incredible life of Fellas Bell. It was it 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:53.960 kind of felt like a Hollywood like one of those fantastical. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.160 Extra So we're going to talk about that. So we 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.400 have doctor mister Nukem so great to see. Beautiful scarf. 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:03.079 Thank you, my daughter got this for me. 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:08.280 Recent we have Josh Lambridge film career see Josh, Me 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.519 and Josh Rode. Twenty five miles on mules the last 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.720 two days. Hog hunting for another day. 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.640 And for a guy who doesn't ride mules, that's a lot. 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.680 For another day. This saddle, don't don't for a second, 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:24.160 which camera, don't for a second think that this saddle 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.520 is just for show cult. George made that saddle for 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.280 me in Wyoming and there was a hog laid over that. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:31.000 Yep. 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:32.600 There's blood on the other side. 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:34.760 Of blood on this thing. Yeah, this was This was 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.640 twenty five miles in the back country two days ago 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:39.120 and then mules. 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.240 Honestly places I didn't think you could ride anything. 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:48.040 Yeah, yep, we were some wooly places. Yep, Josh. But hey, guys, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:52.520 that's a different story. Sorry goats. In the Extraordinary Life 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.800 of Mister Ellis got bar John Neukomb Yep, glad to 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.680 be Bear's got some big films coming out from me. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:02.800 Me and jannist bout tell us have a have a 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:09.120 a constant years long back and forth about semantics between 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:15.000 whether what we make is films or episodes. I believe 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:21.800 I make films, right, Yannis says, Clay, you don't make films, 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:26.360 you make episodes. Episode. What I mean, like when we 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.200 make these meat Eater with basically anything that goes on 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.159 meat Eater because Yannis has stuff on either, I have 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:34.000 stuff on either. I say, great film, Yannis, like when 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:35.760 one of his stuff and he goes, Clay, I don't 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:37.680 make films. That was just an episode. I feel like 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.200 his stuff is episodes. Your stuff is films except the 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:44.480 Bears Road Takespeare. My point exactly, I said, Yannis, I'm 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:45.040 an artist. 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:50.240 See I determined it by time. Yeah, episode is like 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:54.520 twenty minutes to forty five minutes. Anything longer than forty 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:55.880 five minutes a film. 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.159 Well, okay, then I make episodes a legitimate claim. 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:01.520 Think that's a legitimate claim. 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.880 It is what I said. Yeah, it's all it's all 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:08.599 about the genre you're inside of, because like all these 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.640 like the yetty short films are like eight minutes long, 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.839 and they're and they're they call them films. It actually 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:20.080 is a. It's it's semantics that revolves around the artistic 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:24.080 quality of the said thing, like it's intent. It's kind 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.839 of like, hey, are we grilling burgers? Are we making steaks? 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:31.039 Were making an episode? Or we're making a film? Okay, 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.600 So me and Yanis have this this I call it films. 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.520 Yannis is an artist. He is literally an artist. Yes, 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:41.160 so but he Bear guy, he is. I wish he 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:42.320 could be on the Burgers founder. 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:43.440 Uh. 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:48.120 Bear has multiple films coming out in the next couple 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:51.880 of weeks, the debut film, debut films that that he's in. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.359 That that are gonna be really great. Uh. We have 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:59.280 doctor Malachi Nichols here. Hey, me and Josh, we are 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:05.279 talking about you or history on the Burgrease podcast. Literally, 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:07.640 were you on the first burgash Render. 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.719 I believe that I was on the first like six man? Yeah? 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:11.720 Oh really yeah? 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:19.440 And check j just clear or something back? Jack, just clear. 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:20.880 I just got the email. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.640 Heavily weighted with doctors today we are we are heavily 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.720 wing of the crew. 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.239 Here have legitimate doctorates. 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.360 Doctor Malakai Nichols, doctor nukelem Ye, and then. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.360 Illegitimate Clay. 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.560 He wants to he wants to put himself in in 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.120 here with us and say, I am a doctor. He 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:44.719 went through the Gary Nukelems school. 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:46.200 Well, I mean I am. 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:46.680 I am. 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:48.640 I do have a pH d in the Gary Newcomb 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.480 School of Hunting hard knocks and if anybody has that, yes, 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.800 that's all I got, though, that's all I got. No, 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.240 it's it's good to have you, doctor Nichols, very to 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:05.240 have you. So when I tell us what your doctor's in, 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.720 I have a PhD in education policy education. What does 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:10.080 that mean? 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:15.280 I can essentially like I'm trained to be able to 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:22.480 evaluate educational programs and educational policies and give color to 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.800 the black and white numbers around research. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.320 Nice and you're a squirrel hunter. 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:28.640 I am a squirrel hunter. 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:30.720 It's real serious. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.320 Boys are squirrel the other day. I have to tell this. 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.600 I have to tell the story. So we have like 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:40.480 a yearly was it New Year's Day squirrel hunt with 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.360 the Newcombs. And this is year two for my boys 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.280 and we go out squirrel hunt. They love it. Took 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:50.400 my youngest he's two this year old, this is four. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.560 So like a week later after the squirrel hunt, we're 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.280 like preparing for like family golf, like going out to 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.080 play golf, which is a big deal. It was a 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.120 big deal. Once a week we usual the play off 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.280 as a family. My wife included my oldest looks at 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.760 me and goes, dad, you know, squirrel hunting is funner 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:14.400 than golf. I don't want to talk about it about 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:16.360 true story, true story. 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:16.680 Dad. 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:18.800 You know, squirrel hunting is funner than I love it. 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:22.640 So we only did. We only did squirrel hunting for 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:27.920 two mans. That was it wrapped up. 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.840 I would make an I would make a shirt. 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:32.760 Squirrel hunting is funner than golf. 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:33.240 Dad. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:37.960 Quote Dad, squirrel name underneath it. Oh my gosh, that 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.079 is funny story. I think you've been holding that back 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.079 for me. I have you knew that it would cause 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:44.120 too much? 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:49.319 It would like increase the level of influence of hunting 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.600 inside of my children's life. My boys have camo before 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:53.720 I've I've had camo. 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:55.080 It's how serious. 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.120 It is so serious. 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.000 Wow, that this is major. I had no idea. Well, 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:03.959 I'll tell you I will handle I'll handle this responsibly. 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.680 I may pitch in a few bones to the golf. 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.120 They'll be when I'm talking to him, I'll be like, hey, 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:11.160 golf's pretty fun too. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:12.160 With your dad. 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:18.840 It'll be like you sure what your hangle? That is 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:25.000 super funny. So this week on the YouTube Media YouTube 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:29.520 Media channel, we came out with my Alaskan goat film 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:34.400 Mountain Goat, which is I was in Alaska in mid 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.240 August of twenty twenty four with my friend and guide 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:43.640 David Bennett's. David is a is business called Stay Keen 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:48.880 Guide Service and he is I've known David for like 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:53.040 over a decade through bear hunting magazine stuff, so we 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.439 kind of had this relationship. But he was the guy 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:59.240 went wolf trapping with a couple of years ago, well 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:04.040 last winter, and David is he is just a bad 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:08.680 to the bone Alaskan guy. I could tell stories about 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:14.800 David that just I'll tell you one. He he multiple 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:18.880 times he's a veteran bow hunter and he's he's killing 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.240 boon and Crockett animals with his bow up there in Alaska, 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.200 and he wanted to kill a boon and crocket cariboo. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:28.520 And he flew into this place and for the for 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.040 the super cub, all that they could carry was you know, 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.480 X amount of gear in him and make it out 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:36.360 there and then make it back. And so he had 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.560 limited amount of gear he could take. Went on this 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.079 solo hunt, carried twelve days worth of food and gear. 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.240 That's all he had. But he had, but he planned 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.960 to stay just like as long as it took. So 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.080 on day twelve, when he ran out of food, he 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.240 just like he stayed out there without food and just 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.480 killed grouse and ate berries and drank water out of 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:01.960 the creek for nine days and finally killed this huge caribou. 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.839 I mean, that is why when I. 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:09.240 Was killing what's up? What was he killing to eat 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:10.280 daily grouse? 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.680 Grouse? Yeah, he was shooting grouse with his bow and 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.000 cooking grouse over a fire and heat for nine days. 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:18.920 That's what he did. And I mean he'll tell you 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.559 that story like and like not even think it's cool, 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:27.599 you know. And he does some really elongated moose hunts, 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.080 like floating like one hundred and fifty plus miles solo 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:37.720 in a raft down uh rivers and after after big moose. 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.960 I mean, the guy just every time you around him, 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:45.640 he'll just tell you a story that you just are like, 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.960 are are you kidding? But he's been he's living like 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.680 he's fifty seven, lived in Alaska's whole life, his entire 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.160 life has been a commercial fisherman guide and professional trapper, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.880 and uh, you know on this mountain goat hunt mountain 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:05.640 goats male like I live in the roughest wildest places 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:09.560 is in North America, like period they live, and it's 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:13.080 like that there's this like trophic scheme of where animals 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:17.200 live based on elevation and food and whatnot, and the 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:21.000 mountain goats just learned. I mean, their strategy is to 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.760 live in the places where predators can't go because it's 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.880 just too rough and cliffy, and so they're living in 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:33.440 these like wild places. And I started that story to 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:38.280 tell something else. So essentially, when you go hunt a 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.880 mountain goat, you're going into the roughest spots in North 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:46.240 America to get them. David Bennett's is twelve years older 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:49.920 than me, and he was in better shape than me. 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.800 And I was working pretty hard to be in shape. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.400 And I had some people ask me like what I did, 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:01.280 And I'm not like an ultra athlete or anything, but 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:06.080 I do work to stay in shape. And essentially, for 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.679 six months, I was pounding the StairMaster with a pack 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.840 with a pack on, like a weighted pack, just trying 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.199 to just build up my legs. You know, yeah, i'd 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.800 see you in the gym with like a camo backpack, 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.680 but like it's probably hauled out like a bunch of 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:23.760 dead animals, and you're like on the StairMaster, like walking 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:24.600 with all these old men. 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.599 Well, I think i'd like to It actually became a 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:32.000 subject of family memes. We sent them around because the 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:37.400 gym we go to is not like a back hunter's gym, 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.480 and so like there's all these people there, they've got 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.080 their fancy gear and then there's Clay running around with 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.800 this nasty old backpack. It's pretty funny to us, and 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.640 so we started sending the memes and we have our 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:50.600 own little Clay doesn't know it. There's a little thread 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.160 without them, and there's we have all sorts of funny 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.920 statements about you know, it was veratful, very flattering, I think, 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.760 like just about being. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.480 But I have a weighted vest. It's like a it 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.280 looks like a swat team. 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:06.400 Like it's supposed to be there. 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:11.520 Yeah, you just looked like a homeless guy. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.120 Yeah gym fails. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.520 Yeah, so yeah, yeah, I often wondered what people thought. 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.400 Just your kids, just your kids, I mean you're. 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.600 Like, oh, I'm sure other people thought. I had a conversation. 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.720 One guy at the gym was like, that's a sweet 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.640 backpack and uh and I could tell he was kind 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.760 of like, what are you doing? And I said, yeah, yeah, 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.400 I said, I said, I'm actually going on a hunt 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.160 in Alaska. And so I put Wade in this thing 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.480 and training trying to get walk up mountains. And he 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.480 was like, for real, And. 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.600 You know, there's like in my neighborhood. I can tell 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.440 he's going on the trip because he's been hiking with 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.160 a backpack all around. 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:53.560 You need to ask him where he's going. 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:54.840 I know, I need to ask him. 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.600 Yeah, and I said, I'm hunting mountain goats and he 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:01.560 was like, what, what's a mountain goat? And you know, 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.040 I told him, like I don't know if he thought 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.760 I was like not like mine thought it was the 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.520 crazy guy that was just like making stuff up. But anyway, 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:12.600 next time I see him, I'm gonna be like, hey, 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:13.120 you want to. 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.880 Watch this film in front of your stair mask. 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:22.240 So the mountain goat so so. But David is just 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.280 an incredible guy. There was a little part on the 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.200 film where it kind of did like a bio piece 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:30.200 on David and uh it was. It was interesting. He 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:32.120 when he was a senior in high school, he graduated 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.720 high school and he had a commercial fisherman take him 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.200 back into a cove and leave him for three months 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:42.400 with about one hundred traps, and uh and he he 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:46.720 he stayed out there for three months and trapped. He 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.880 he's he's a guy, He's the heck of a guy. 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:56.280 And uh so my strategy on the film or on 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.800 the hunt was just to was to try to kill 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.680 a mountain goat with a bow, which to me would 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.320 probably been the most challenging hunt that I would have done. 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:09.680 And Frank Noska is a veteran, probably one of the 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:13.040 most decorated bow hunters in the world. In turn, you 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.680 won't see him on films and stuff, but he's he's 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:20.480 done the Grand Slam, the Archery World Grand Slam, killing 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.800 all twenty seven big game species with a bow for 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:28.720 sure twice, and probably working on his next grands. I 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.360 mean like he's like the one of the Michael Jordans 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.800 of bow hunting guy that you wouldn't see on any films. 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:36.400 I don't I don't know that there's a film about 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:41.880 Frank Noska, but I had seen an art episode. There 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:46.280 might be an episode about there was. I saw him 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.280 in a picture one time of him with a with 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:51.920 a goat, and he was dressing a fully white suit 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:58.800 with little ears on his hat. And so I had 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:03.640 Josh Landbridge billmaker, make me a goat hat. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:05.399 And uh. 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:11.360 I messaged frankn Osca and I said, hey, yeah, I'm monster. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.200 Our biggest mistake was making those horns that big, which 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:19.640 was a well Frank. I messaged Frank and I said, hey, 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.040 tell me about decoy and these goats. So Malachai, you 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:24.720 dress up like a goat. 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.200 I think everyone dresses left like a goat, do they? 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:27.640 No? 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:28.800 Okay, so. 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:30.480 Frank. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.960 But these goats are in such remote places that anything 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.160 when they see something white, they just think it's a goat. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.919 And and so I asked Frank about it, and he 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.359 said he gave me some advice. He said, when you 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.040 see goats that you can't stalk using train, Typically you 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.600 would use terrain to stalk the goats, like you'd get 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.560 behind rocks or the hill would roll and they'd be 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.160 down at the bottom and you could pick over and shoot. 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.480 But it's so open in some places you can't stalk 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:01.840 goats because like they just can see you. You know, 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.520 you're one hundred yards away and they're just like standing 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:06.560 there looking at you. So that's when you use a 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.680 decoy suit. And he said, he said, just start moving 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.080 towards them, and if they see you and act nervous, 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.720 he said, just stop. He said, just lay down for 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:20.159 an hour. Just just wait and eventually they get okay 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:22.600 with you and you just kind of move towards them 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.840 and just evaluate like their response to it. 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:27.600 Uh. 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:29.480 So that's part one. 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:29.960 I want. 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:35.160 I wanted, And so me and Josh made this, which 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.840 this is a leafy suit, but we we spray painted 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.560 at white and so it has h y'all want me 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.600 to put this on, don't you? Oh, we spray painted 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:47.360 at white. I'll just put on the top. So there's 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.480 the bottoms. But this is a first light leafy suit 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.960 that we that Josh actually spray painted and it made 0:18:55.000 --> 0:19:00.840 the perfect like textured. Most of the guys where like 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:06.320 a like a painter suit, which they work good, but 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:10.800 let me tell you what works better. This surprised we 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.080 didn't catch you in the gym wearing that too well 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:15.159 before I got kicked up. 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.879 I definitely I definitely have pictures of Clay. There's a 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.800 picture that I was going to meet someone. We were 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.080 going to a coffee shop to do some work, and 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.280 I said, I'll be there in twenty minutes. And anyway, 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:28.560 I think Clay was going to come and he was 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:30.000 going to drop me off and go do something else. 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:32.800 And I texted her a picture of Clay talking to 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.919 River and her friends in this outfit. And I just 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:37.800 text her that picture because they were all eating dinner 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.119 at our house and I came down the stairs with 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.199 my you know, all my stuff, and I look and 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.520 there's Clay dressed in this outfit. We're supposed to leave. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.720 He's dressed this outfit and he's got his hands up 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.600 like this, impersonating I guess a mountain and a scared 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:51.639 mountain goes. I don't know, he's got his hands up 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.000 like this. And so I just took a picture and 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:55.399 I sent it to her and I said, hey, I 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:57.679 came downstairs to this, So I think I'm going to 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:04.120 be a little late. I'm pretty proud of that suit. 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:08.080 I am. It was, it was, it was, It worked 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.520 really great. And so on on day four, Malka of 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:15.639 this hunt, and I could I don't know y'all cue 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:17.439 me up if there's I just kind of wanted to 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:19.320 give a behind the scenes look at the hunt. A 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:23.160 lot of people ask questions about the goat suit, and 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.760 but I mainly want to talk about the recovery, So 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:27.840 bear if you have questions. 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:30.080 Hey, can I add something about the recovery that happened 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:34.160 before you left? Okay, So, before Clay left are we 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:39.360 were at church and our pastor said, Clay, let's all 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.399 pray for Clay, pray for his safety while he's out there. 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:45.640 And I was like, huh, that's an interesting thing to say. 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.560 He's never said that before on any of Clay's. 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:50.600 And he's a veteran hunter and he's. 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.359 A veteran hunter. Yeah, and and uh and maybe Clay 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:55.679 wasn't even I can't remember if Clay was there or 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:57.439 if he'd already left. When he's like, Okay, Clay's on 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.000 that on that mountain go hunt. Let's everyone this week 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:01.760 you'll just be praying for clay safety. And I was 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:05.080 just like, well, that's interesting. I mean, that kind of 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.560 stuck in my mind. And then we hear this story 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:09.359 of this retrieval. 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:21.040 So on the goat Malachi, I was able to get 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:25.600 within seventy yards it by using terrain, So I mean 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:27.560 you could have just had like normal camera on and 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:31.040 got to within seventy yards. I really needed to be inside. 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.639 I wanted a forty yard shot, but really needed to 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:38.080 be inside of fifty for being comfortable with a bow, 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.359 and so at seventy yards, I essentially just stood up 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.840 in my goat suit and just walked straight towards him 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:49.600 without anything between us and the goat never directly even 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:51.960 looked at me. They have eyes on the side of 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:54.560