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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Neukleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h

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Speaker 1: F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place as

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Speaker 1: we explore. Ready to go, and just like that, here

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Speaker 1: we are. We have we have a we have a

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Speaker 1: very We've got a great group of people here today

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Speaker 1: to talk about.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna we're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna spend a lot of time talking about two things.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about my goat hunt in Alaska.

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Speaker 1: We had a film come out just this week on

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Speaker 1: the Media YouTube channel, and I want to give some

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes. I have some props. Oh and I

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Speaker 1: kind of have a big story to tell that the

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Speaker 1: film just couldn't tell.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Is as much as you would think that the medium

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Speaker 1: of video would be the primary way to tell a

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Speaker 1: story is not at all. Video is all hype and fluff.

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Speaker 1: Who writing and podcasting is the way you tell a story?

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Malco, I think you could throw

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Speaker 3: in storytelling?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, but what in what form?

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Speaker 3: Audio audio talking, yes, podcasts, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: guess I'm not sixty three. You know.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes when I'm talking to older people, I tell

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Speaker 2: them we have an internet radio program.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I've explained it to many people that have been

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Speaker 1: on Bear Grease. It's kind of like a radio show,

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Speaker 1: but it's on the Internet and you listen to at anytime.

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Speaker 1: But so, so, we made this big video about my goat,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to talk about that. But secondly, we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about a podcast that I think when

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Speaker 1: when when I heard the what our production team at

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Speaker 1: media finished up, Like me and Josh work on the

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Speaker 1: nuts and bolts and content, like we script Bear Grease

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Speaker 1: in our minds and then we basically give our design

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Speaker 1: to the production team that makes it, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: we hear kind of with imperfection, what we think it's

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Speaker 1: going to sound like, and then when we hear it,

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Speaker 1: it's like like pops And I feel like this is

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Speaker 1: one of the best Bear Grease of all time period.

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Speaker 1: That's my personal personal I just I just loved it.

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Speaker 4: I like the name of it. It kind of matches

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Speaker 4: that the incredible life of Fellas Bell. It was it

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Speaker 1: Extra So we're going to talk about that. So we

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Speaker 1: have doctor mister Nukem so great to see. Beautiful scarf.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, my daughter got this for me.

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Speaker 1: Recent we have Josh Lambridge film career see Josh, Me

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Speaker 1: and Josh Rode. Twenty five miles on mules the last

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Speaker 1: two days. Hog hunting for another day.

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Speaker 2: And for a guy who doesn't ride mules, that's a lot.

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Speaker 1: For another day. This saddle, don't don't for a second,

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Speaker 1: which camera, don't for a second think that this saddle

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Speaker 1: is just for show cult. George made that saddle for

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Speaker 1: me in Wyoming and there was a hog laid over that.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: There's blood on the other side.

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Speaker 1: Of blood on this thing. Yeah, this was This was

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Speaker 2: Honestly places I didn't think you could ride anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, we were some wooly places. Yep, Josh. But hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: that's a different story. Sorry goats. In the Extraordinary Life

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Speaker 1: of Mister Ellis got bar John Neukomb Yep, glad to

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Speaker 1: be Bear's got some big films coming out from me.

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Speaker 1: Me and jannist bout tell us have a have a

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Speaker 1: a constant years long back and forth about semantics between

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Speaker 1: whether what we make is films or episodes. I believe

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Speaker 1: I make films, right, Yannis says, Clay, you don't make films,

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Speaker 1: you make episodes. Episode. What I mean, like when we

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Speaker 1: meat Eater because Yannis has stuff on either, I have

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Speaker 1: make films. That was just an episode. I feel like

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Speaker 1: his stuff is episodes. Your stuff is films except the

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Speaker 1: Bears Road Takespeare. My point exactly, I said, Yannis, I'm

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Speaker 3: See I determined it by time. Yeah, episode is like

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, then I make episodes a legitimate claim.

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Speaker 1: It is what I said. Yeah, it's all it's all

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Speaker 1: Were making an episode? Or we're making a film? Okay,

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Speaker 1: So me and Yanis have this this I call it films.

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Speaker 1: Yannis is an artist. He is literally an artist. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so but he Bear guy, he is. I wish he

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Speaker 1: Bear has multiple films coming out in the next couple

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Speaker 1: That that are gonna be really great. Uh. We have

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Speaker 1: doctor Malachi Nichols here. Hey, me and Josh, we are

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Speaker 1: talking about you or history on the Burgrease podcast. Literally,

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Speaker 1: were you on the first burgash Render.

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Speaker 3: I believe that I was on the first like six man? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And check j just clear or something back? Jack, just clear.

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Speaker 3: I just got the email.

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Speaker 5: Heavily weighted with doctors today we are we are heavily

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Speaker 5: wing of the crew.

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Speaker 2: Here have legitimate doctorates.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Malakai Nichols, doctor nukelem Ye, and then.

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Speaker 2: Illegitimate Clay.

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Speaker 4: He wants to he wants to put himself in in

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Speaker 4: here with us and say, I am a doctor. He

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I am.

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Speaker 1: I do have a pH d in the Gary Newcomb

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Speaker 1: School of Hunting hard knocks and if anybody has that, yes,

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Speaker 1: that's all I got, though, that's all I got. No,

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Speaker 1: it's it's good to have you, doctor Nichols, very to

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Speaker 1: have you. So when I tell us what your doctor's in,

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Speaker 1: Nice and you're a squirrel hunter.

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Speaker 3: I am a squirrel hunter.

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Speaker 3: Boys are squirrel the other day. I have to tell this.

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Speaker 3: You know, squirrel hunting is funner than I love it.

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Speaker 3: So we only did. We only did squirrel hunting for

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Speaker 2: Squirrel hunting is funner than golf.

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Speaker 1: is funny story. I think you've been holding that back

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you I will handle I'll handle this responsibly.

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Speaker 1: It'll be like you sure what your hangle? That is

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Speaker 1: cooking grouse over a fire and heat for nine days.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy just every time you around him,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't say on the film is that David said, guys,

439
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: this is not a goat that we can recover essentially,

440
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: and and and.

441
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: Just because of the precarious.

442
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and he he he warned us. He said, guys,

443
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: this is the kind of stuff that when you when

444
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: you fall, they don't recover your body. He said that

445
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: to us. He was just like because he knew we

446
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: me and Dirt were very motivated to get that goat,

447
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: and he was doing his job of just saying, he said,

448
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: we'll just that happens in goat hunting. Sometimes you shoot

449
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: a goat that you don't recover because it just just

450
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: falls into the abyss. Yeah, and that's terrible like that.

451
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: In hunting like such a there's such a high priority

452
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: put on recovering the animal and taking the meet out.

453
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 3: I mean, like.

454
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: Period, that's what we all want to do. And so

455
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: we're very motivated to get this goat. We can see

456
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: it and it's lodged up under this ice. And David

457
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: and again this at this point, we weren't even thinking

458
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: about filming. I mean, the film is like, we're not

459
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: even making a film anymore. We're trying to survive. Dirt's

460
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: camera is like way up on the mountain and here

461
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: we are down here, you know, having this little discussion

462
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: while in dirt. Basically, well, I get down and there's

463
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: like this little shelf about as big as a car

464
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,719
Speaker 1: hood that I'm very safe on. But it took I

465
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: had to climb down one hundred and fifty feet through

466
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: this little drainage. You can see it on one of

467
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: my you can see it on the film. It doesn't

468
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: look near as precarious as it was. Josh is a skier,

469
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: and he knows that when you take ski videos they

470
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: always look yeah.

471
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: You know, you think I just skied them some of

472
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: the crazy Steve, and then you see the video it's like, oh,

473
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: a toddler could have walked across that.

474
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: This this this took every bit of everything I had

475
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: to get down to here. But but I was safe

476
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: and I felt like I could get back up. That's

477
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: the problem with this kind of stuff is you might

478
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: be able to go down something, but you got to

479
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: come back up it. And so I'm sitting there, see

480
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: the goat, Dirt's here, and Dirt, myth is a just

481
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: he is a savage of a man. He's Dirt's probably

482
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: like my height, probably like five ten ish, I don't know.

483
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: And that's pushing it. And uh, he's a veteran rock climber.

484
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: Steve Varnella calls him a world class hiker. He's just strong.

485
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: He's raised on a ranch in Montana, and it's just

486
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: an incredible guy. And and Dirt is as Dirt's brother

487
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: is a professional rock climber. And Dirt has done some

488
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: trips that just will blow your mind about rock climbing.

489
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: So he knew his way around rocks. We had one

490
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: little bit of rope and Dirt says, hey, I think

491
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: I can get to that goat and put a rope

492
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: on its horns. And he said, here's what you do, Clay.

493
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: He said, you stay up here on this flat spot

494
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: and blay me off of ballet means put a kink

495
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: in the rope off of a rock.

496
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: And he's like to use as a brake.

497
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so he ties this little nylon rope like

498
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: around his waist in a special knot, and and he's

499
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: not using he's not putting his weight on the rope.

500
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: He's the rope is just like safety. Like if he falls,

501
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: then all his weight would be on it, and I'm

502
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: I would then be the one holding it. And the

503
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: the blay rock is not good like it's it's rounded,

504
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: and so I keep saying, Dirt, this this rock. I said,

505
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: what if the rope slips over the top, And he said, man,

506
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: if you just keep pressure on it, it won't. He

507
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: just understood the physics of it. He's like, the smallest

508
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: amount of pressure is going to keep it from slipping over.

509
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, okay, man, And you see it

510
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: in the film. I say, Dirt, if you have any

511
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: reservations about doing this, don't do it. And while he's

512
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: like tying it on, he says, oh, I have reservations.

513
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

514
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: And what you can't see in the film is that

515
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: like this is like the scariest thing I've ever done

516
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: in my life. I mean for real, like no acting, no,

517
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: like we weren't. It was just I was petrified.

518
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: What's the time frame like from shot second shot to

519
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: like him putting on the rope.

520
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: Two hours, yeah, to.

521
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 4: Get down there and get set up, and him coming

522
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 4: back up. What's the time?

523
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean, do you even know? Two and a half hours?

524
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: Three hours? It was like a three probably a three

525
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: hour window, and in the film that's like four minutes.

526
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: So it's like this build up. There was a lot

527
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: of us talking about it with David, like how are

528
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: we going to get down there? And him okay o.

529
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: The other thing that he did that he would tell

530
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: us later is that is that he he reached his

531
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: wife who was back home, and said, David said, stay

532
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: by the phone, stay by your phone, don't leave the house,

533
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: and have the coastguard on dot justike, look up the

534
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: coast not the coastguard. Look up the Yeah, the coast guard,

535
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: the coast Guard, that's what because it was that's the

536
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,719
Speaker 1: he said, look up their number and just be ready.

537
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: He said, don't leave the house until you hear from me.

538
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: Stay by your phone.

539
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: He had that.

540
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he David was worked up about it. But

541
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: David also he trusted Dirt. He trusted us to not

542
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: do something stupid. And so this we would all learn later,

543
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: you know. And and so Dirt shimmies down and gets down,

544
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: and what you can't tell in the film, there's just

545
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 1: no way to describe it, is that goat if it

546
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: had not lodged right under that ice in that rock,

547
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: it would have tumbled eight hundred feet and you can't

548
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: see it. It looks like it just kind of like gradually

549
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: slopes down. But I told Misty it wasn't like a

550
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: vertical face like Wiley Coyote. Like if you'd have jumped,

551
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: you'd have just been in the air. It was one

552
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: of these deals where you would have fallen and you

553
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: would have you would have been dead within fifty feet,

554
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: but you would have just went but you would have

555
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: ended up eight hundred feet down, like zero chance of survival.

556
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 4: Wow, are you going to tell about like what it

557
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 4: sounded like.

558
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Dirt gets down and ropes the goat, and

559
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: when he does, it's just like, holy cow, he did it?

560
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: He when he This wasn't on film, because I'm belaying

561
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: like the part of the film that that is on

562
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: that you do see is just when I had a

563
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: second to just film with my phone, Dirt when he

564
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: went down, and I'm like full scale pulling the slack

565
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: out like I'm putting pressure on him just a little bit.

566
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: He had his foot on the rock and he would

567
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: kick into the ice bank and get a foothold and

568
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: then like jump down. I mean, he was like doing

569
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: some super technical stuff. And when he finally gets down

570
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: and once he's like under the ice, like he's kind

571
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: of safe because he can kind of brace up against

572
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: the ice in the rock. And he gets the rope

573
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: on the goat. I tightened the rope up on the goat.

574
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: Can't budget, Like, can't even budget. He grabs the goat

575
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: by the horns and yanks it out of the ice,

576
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: and mean, just like brute adrenaline strength. He yanks it

577
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: out of the ice. And I pulled a slack out

578
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: of the rope and I'm holding it, and he climbs

579
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: back up and like holding onto the rope and me

580
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: and him both pull the goat and it's too heavy.

581
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: We get it halfway up this little face and we're

582
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: just like, can't do it, can't do it. And so

583
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: so I belay the goat. The goat's hanging on the side,

584
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: and I say and I say, dirt, We've got to

585
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: gut the goat.

586
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: We've got to.

587
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: Get his guts out what we can't get him out?

588
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: And Dirt actually said, okay, do you think you can

589
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: get it now that the goat's up a little closer.

590
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: And I just said, Dirt, I can't.

591
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 4: And for this, I'm very proud of Clay.

592
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: I just said, I just said, Dirt, there's no way

593
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: I can't do it.

594
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 4: Do you tried for a second, didn't you know?

595
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean I just and and he said, no problem.

596
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: He said, I'll do it, give me your knife. So,

597
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: so the goat is hanging on this cliff face like

598
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: like probably like eight feet from where it was.

599
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: What's that stand up next? When you when when you

600
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: have an animated part, stand up? Okay, the goat.

601
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: The goat is hanging on this cliff face, probably eight

602
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: feet from where it was lodged, and we've pulled it up.

603
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: So Dirt goes back down there and it's standing here

604
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: ice shoot here cliff face behind him. I'm up there,

605
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: and he guts this goat like it's hanging from a

606
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: tree limb. And when he guts the goat, I get

607
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: butterflies in my stomach telling the story. The guts just

608
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: like fall out, just like they would if you're skinning

609
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: a deer up in a tree, and the guts confirm

610
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: the physics of what we believed would happen. Those guts

611
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: just went, I mean they it's not like he had

612
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: to like kick them. The guts just went just off

613
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: the side of the mountain. And it was just like

614
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: this little water shoot, you know. And but now the

615
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: goat weighs like thirty probably thirty pounds less. He shimmy's

616
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: back up. He he did it. He put the rope

617
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: over his shoulder and I'm just kind of like scrambling

618
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: to just grab whatever I can and he just like

619
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: takes off and we worked together, but he did the

620
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: most of it, pull this goat back up on this little,

621
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: you know, hood car sized shelf, perched up on this

622
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: on this mountain, and I mean we were just like

623
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: we just just hugged you. You can see the celebration. Yeah,

624
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: what's not on the celebration that I've told many people,

625
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: anybody that would sit long enough to listen, like you

626
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: lovely people. When he got back up there, I wept,

627
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: like wept like a child. I mean not because the

628
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: dang goat. I mean some people cry, you know, like

629
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: it wasn't a celebration that I.

630
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 2: Got the goat, just a sense of relief.

631
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: I just raw emotion, just like I grabbed his hands

632
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: and we prayed, and I thank God that dirt was safe.

633
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm serious, I just bawled. And I mean,

634
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: you know there's no video of that. Uh and uh

635
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: and then and we were for the most part out

636
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: of the woods sort of, and I mean and then

637
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: it took another hour. We processed the goat right there

638
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: on the mountain, had our bags, we deboned it, took

639
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: everything out, and then we had to get out and

640
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: and and and that was that was the child I was.

641
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: So I had been in this suit sitting in basically

642
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: water for two and a half hour. That little rock

643
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: sheef just had like a just like a trickle of

644
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: water coming out and I had to sit in it

645
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: to blay. And so like I I'm wet on the backside,

646
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: the wind is blowing, it's cold, and I was shaken

647
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: from cold and from just nerves. And then we got

648
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: to go back up and I got to carry meat,

649
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: and uh, a couple of times on the way up,

650
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: I kind of just like froze and panic and you

651
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: can see my legs shaken them in one part of

652
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: the film. But it's like, so we get the goat out,

653
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: everything's fine.

654
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 4: He needs to say, we make stired a pretty good

655
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 4: apple pie from the Nukeom Farm.

656
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: And no, it was not fun. I mean, like not

657
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: even remotely. Like I mean, it's cool that we documented it,

658
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: you know, and like now we can celebrate this experience.

659
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: But it when I think about that hunt, it is

660
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: not fun like it was. It was all I wanted.

661
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: So I watch the whole film, I me her YouTube.

662
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 4: When I tell people the story, all the people in

663
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 4: my life say, why didn't they just leave the goat?

664
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, good question. Well we we just didn't want to

665
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: the dedication dedication as it goes. But uh yeah, so

666
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: that's the story. Should I take this off for the

667
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: rest of the probably she.

668
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: Might be a little distracting you. And that very handsome leaf.

669
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: Suf get it off. Is that the same leafy suit

670
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 1: that uh didn't I give you that leafy suit?

671
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

672
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the first light leafy

673
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: top for Father's Day. You should be you should be grounded. Uh,

674
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's kind of funny that we had

675
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: to talk about that but I the Ellis Bell podcast,

676
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: to me, is way more unique than a film like

677
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: this for real, for real, what you wouldn't know again,

678
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: like backstory that that was recorded with Ellis Bell last week,

679
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: we said on it for like, we worked on it

680
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: the next day and produced it in two days and

681
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: it came out this week. How did you find him?

682
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: The farm? Arkansas Farm Bureau podcast called agra Culture, it's

683
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: a regional farm Bureau insurance podcast, had done a podcast

684
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: with Elsbell and he actually told a lot of the

685
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: same stories. And I meant to publicly thank the guys

686
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: at farm Bureau because they actually helped me get in

687
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: touch with Elsbell, Steve Eddington and so big things to them.

688
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't have I didn't know Elis Bell. But

689
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: when I heard him on their podcast, which it was

690
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: There's there's a shorter Yeah, I think it's a two

691
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: part podcast. I think, yeah, they do some cool stuff.

692
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: I listened to them, and they do some really cool stuff.

693
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: And they talked about him being part of the Arkansas

694
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: Agricultural Hall of Fame.

695
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: Fame and and he's told some of the same stories

696
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: he told us. But so that's how I know him.

697
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: That's how we met him.

698
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 3: You know, I love it when somebody can tell their

699
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 3: own story. I think that's really valuable and unique, especially

700
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: when it's in their own words and their own perspective.

701
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 3: Could you lose that, Like it's somebody else telling the

702
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 3: first person to count and so hearing his you know,

703
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 3: hearing the years and his voice and hearing the history

704
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: and like how he perceived things. I mean, it was

705
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: really interesting, Yeah, really interesting.

706
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: What what stood out to you, Malca.

707
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: Man, I'm I think I was impacted by his mom

708
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: and the story about his mom getting her clothes on

709
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: and going to help, like the only white family in

710
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 3: that region during that area, and him being like, that's

711
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: a white woman, Miss Jones is a white woman, and

712
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 3: his mom looking at she's a human being, you know

713
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 3: what I mean? And how like at eighty seven he

714
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: remembers that, yes, you know what I mean, and it just,

715
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, real impacting the to see how influential

716
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: you as a parent have on your children and your

717
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: response will shape them, even like she probably didn't even

718
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: think twice about that response, right, like totally forgot about it,

719
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: But like that shaped his perception and how he saw

720
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 3: people for the rest of his life and for him

721
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: to remember that, I just think it's super cool.

722
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: Well, and she did that in the early nineteen four Yeah,

723
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: he was four or five years old, he told us.

724
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: And I mean at the probably the peak of the

725
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: Jim Crow era in the South and hear this woman

726
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: in the privacy of her own home, with no knowledge

727
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: that this was going to be broadcast. Yeah, eighty three

728
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: years later. Yeah, that she she did what she did.

729
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: I mean that that's a high level of character. I

730
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: think that that that story to me was like the

731
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: the the Yeah, it was got a high point in it.

732
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: And because how much it impacted him. Yeah, you know

733
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: on the on the Farm Bureau podcast, I think mister

734
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: Ellis like was almost crying when he told that story. Yeah,

735
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 1: when I first heard it, because he told that story

736
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 1: on their podcast too, and yeah, that was that was something.

737
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was a good one. Also liked the

738
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 3: story and how his pride could God in the way

739
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: of the airplane. And I can't remember the phrase that

740
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: he used or you used around like I just chose

741
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 3: a different path.

742
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: The guy the crop duster told him change your pattern.

743
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, change your pattern. And I'm just thinking it's a

744
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I am. There's been a few times

745
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 3: saying the last year that I've gotten to sit and

746
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: listen to older men talk about their lives and their journey,

747
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: and there's something like super I mean, the word I'll

748
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: use is like sweet and genuine when a guy towards

749
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 3: the end of their life can look back and see

750
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 3: a story and grab a principle and like cherish that

751
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 3: principle and be willing to give it to somebody else.

752
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: And so like that principle of like, man, just change

753
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: your pattern. You don't have to be right, you don't

754
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 3: have to like prove your point, just change your pattern,

755
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 3: and like you'll stay just standing up and up. I know,

756
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: I'm just I value older men who have processed things

757
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: and whether it was right or wrong, right, what they've

758
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 3: gone through and been able to package in a way

759
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: yeah that's exportable to other people. And being willing to

760
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: export it to other people. Yeah, without some sort of

761
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: token and reward back. I don't know, it's just a

762
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: I like that change of pattern.

763
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: Man, he had the kind of the architectural stories of

764
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: his life and on a nice little platter. Uh and

765
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: and and again I knew that because Josh didn't. Josh

766
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: was the one who did that interview, and you didn't

767
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: necessarily like team up, like, hey, tell us what you

768
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: told them.

769
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: No, not at all, not at all.

770
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there was no reference to that, and he

771
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: he he told those same story. It's like, these are

772
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: key moments. When I was five years old, I saw

773
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: the sharecropper crying, and it's almost like that informed him

774
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: of like, oh, there's some injustice in the world. I mean,

775
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: a four year old boy knew that this grown man

776
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: cry and it impacted him. And then when he heard

777
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: why I mean it obviously it wasn't until he was

778
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: an adult that he understood the bigger picture of really

779
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: what was happening. But he remembered it, the stuff with

780
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: his mother, the airplane. He just had so many just

781
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: little nuggets that he could just like tell the story on.

782
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: But mister, what stood out to you?

783
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 4: Well, I think you know, as I was listening to it,

784
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: it's just so interesting. It's kind of like what my

785
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 4: like I said, hearing people talk about their story. These

786
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 4: are things that like we study. I teach a class

787
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 4: that we talk about the Great Migration and the social

788
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 4: impact that had for people. But to hear someone we

789
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 4: study the impacts of integration on kids' test scores and

790
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 4: on in college, That's what we did, and I worked

791
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 4: for a department that looked at that from a public

792
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 4: policy perspective. But then to hear someone who went through

793
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: it share it, it's it's just a it's just a

794
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 4: very different a very different animal, and I think it

795
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 4: it solidifies those experiences. And you know what what you're

796
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 4: talking about when we when you think about memories and stuff,

797
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 4: you think about the way that people process information, is

798
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 4: you fit it inside of a category of how you

799
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 4: of information you already know and so we already we

800
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 4: know the history on this stuff. We have the we

801
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 4: we've read the books, we've you know, talked to people,

802
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 4: and so we're fitting that into a paradigm based on

803
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 4: we know how these things end, we know how where

804
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 4: they're at right now. We know, uh, we've been able

805
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 4: to extrapolate ideas about how how these decisions were made.

806
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 4: And this guy was experiencing it firsthand, just from a

807
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: just experiencing the emotions of it, the what he could see,

808
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 4: what he could how he felt about his mom being

809
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 4: wrapped up real tight going out into the into the roads.

810
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 4: I mean just to hearing him describe that his mom,

811
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 4: how she was dressed that night, and how she was

812
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 4: and how he couldn't sleep because of what he was

813
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 4: thinking about. I just thought it was very meaningful to

814
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 4: hear him him share that that story and hear it

815
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 4: from not what we already know, not from what the

816
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 4: history books say, but hear at firsthand, from the sights

817
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 4: that sounds, the the experiences of.

818
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he touched on two things that I think many

819
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: people would be familiar with, but yeah, to hear to

820
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: personalize the story. And number one was the Great Migration,

821
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, which are so many factors. I mean, we

822
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: just touched We didn't go into it, but like you know,

823
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: people leaving the South, you know which which he is

824
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: you get you get the sense that he saw that

825
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: happening and he didn't want he didn't want to go.

826
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: He wanted to stay here and make it here, and

827
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: he built a life that that did that. The second

828
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: thing was that he saw and brought out was which

829
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 1: is I don't know if it's controversial, it feels controversial,

830
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: but about how desegregation and integration was difficult on black communities.

831
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: Like to hear him say that, like he wasn't talking

832
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: from an academic perspective. He wasn't like quoting some author

833
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: he'd read about in a book. He saw it. He

834
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: grew up in these communities and watched them disintegrate. What

835
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: did you think about that?

836
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, as Missy said, like I knew that,

837
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: Like I've researched that, and I've seen the data and

838
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 3: around how that did have an impact on the number

839
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: of black teachers, the number of black administrators, number of

840
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: black leaders, and how it really did have a I mean,

841
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: it had an impact. So it was interesting to hear

842
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 3: somebody's first person perspective about it, and it I think

843
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: it kind of it It makes me think about just

844
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 3: like the impact of policy. Right. Something that somebody once

845
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 3: told me, like when I was going through grad school

846
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 3: is like, if you want to ever like be a

847
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: part of policy baking, the best thing that you can

848
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 3: do is like, you know, think of your policy, but

849
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 3: walk ten fifteen years in the future and then walk

850
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 3: backwards and like think about like what is what is

851
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: your policies? Adjust like what did it touch? Who was winning?

852
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 3: Who is losing? And it it makes me think about

853
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 3: how you know policies and when I say, policies. I'm

854
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 3: just thinking about what are the words, edicts, structure systems

855
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: that you're built to help govern society. That's when I

856
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 3: think about policy, like it it's messy, right, and you

857
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 3: can have like the best intentions of oh man, I

858
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 3: see this injustice, we should do this policy and this

859
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 3: will fix it, right, But it's just messy, right because

860
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: and I think it just continued to kind of make

861
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 3: that a reality for me of like policy, even though

862
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: with the best intentions, you know, it might have adverse

863
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 3: impacts and it will touch people's lives and I don't

864
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: have like a solution to that, but it's just the reality.

865
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: Well, do you remember mister Earl Jasper who we had

866
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: on the Missisippi River episode who I asked him about

867
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: integration And it's almost like sometimes policy impacts generations differently,

868
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: because I mean, like generations later obviously was better for

869
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: these people, but maybe that generation that that took it

870
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: right in the face. I mean it was like super tough.

871
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 4: Well, and I think you've got to kind of clarify

872
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 4: a couple of things. I think there's integration, and integration

873
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 4: was good and necessary, Like there's no doubt about it.

874
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 4: People couldn't drink from water fountains in public places that

875
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 4: you know, American citizens could not drink from public water

876
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 4: fountains the same water fountain. That policy needed to change,

877
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 4: but that wasn't the only thing that was changing. And

878
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 4: so the implementation of that idea that people should be

879
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 4: people should have equal access to things. I remember, and

880
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 4: this has been almost fifteen years ago, and I was

881
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 4: on this in Fort Smith and I was interviewing a

882
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 4: woman who lives through that. And I've heard this both

883
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 4: ways because I've talked with a good friend of mine

884
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 4: who was busted in It was I think Michigan. He

885
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 4: was bussed to his school, and he would say being

886
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 4: able to be busted to that high quality school. He

887
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 4: was a black guy, a black teenager was bussed to

888
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 4: what had previously been an all white school, and he says,

889
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 4: like made all the difference in the world in his

890
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 4: life having access to that high quality school. So that

891
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 4: you know, and their bussing is controversial as a paul,

892
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 4: but he would say that was the difference maker for him.

893
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 4: I was talking to this woman in Fort Smith and

894
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 4: she was saying, you know, the integration of schools came

895
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 4: as a result of the separate but equal doctrine that

896
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 4: will have separate schools, but they'll be equal. And they

897
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 4: were not equal. They were not equally funded, they were

898
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 4: not equally resourced. And she said they should have just

899
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 4: funded us. That was her perspective, is they should have

900
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 4: just because when they integrated the schools, they didn't. They

901
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 4: didn't say, hey, anyone can go to any school. They

902
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 4: said the kids at the black school can now come

903
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 4: to the white school. And for some people that would

904
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 4: have been a great solution. But what one of the

905
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 4: unintended consequences that I don't think people realized what happen

906
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 4: is that they would lose their black leaders in the

907
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 4: in the school. There wouldn't necessarily be a place for

908
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 4: them at the school. That kids would get targeted and

909
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 4: are are you know what's the word I'm looking for,

910
00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 4: malici when they put you in a lower level class? Yeah, ah,

911
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 4: I'm having a blank out. So they wouldn't let those

912
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 4: kids in the ap classes, and so there would be

913
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 4: kind of like this subtle tracking, that's what it is.

914
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 4: So there would be the subtle segregation within the school.

915
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 4: So it's it's it's tricky because you don't want to

916
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 4: say integration was a bad thing. It is wrong to

917
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 4: say people can't have access to the same things. But

918
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 4: there are unintended consequences and there were for those those

919
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 4: communities and how they well.

920
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: And I think if even aside from understanding even the details,

921
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: just hearing him say what he said, like I didn't

922
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: even need the vo vo being voiceover, I didn't need

923
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: to like expound on it, just like hearing him say

924
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: that just kind of it just gives you a different perspective. Yeah, Yeah,

925
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: And I think that's all. That's what a story like

926
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: this does. It just gives you a different perspective on it.

927
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: That's that's really powerful and just kind of tells itself,

928
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: tells the story itself.

929
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Josh, Well, I was just gonna say, listening to

930
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: you guys, after spending time with him, you know, spent

931
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: a grand total of like three and a half hours

932
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 2: with him, the one thing that you pick up on,

933
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: and I think it's communicated in the podcast, is the

934
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 2: fact that a there was some incredible generational continuance from

935
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 2: his mother and father to him, because you see it

936
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: in the fact that even though this man endured significant

937
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: challenges and in segregation, in discrimination, it. There's no there's

938
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: no air of embitterment in him, like he's not an

939
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: embittered man, or there's no sense that he's a victim

940
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 2: like he in no way does he he carried this

941
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: victim mentality. He does recognize the challenges that were there,

942
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: But what it did is it filled him with determination

943
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: and drive and a sense of like, I'm going to

944
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: be the best that I can be and not let

945
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: any of this stuff hold me back. Yeah, and that's

946
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: I mean that that's incredibly hard to do. But I

947
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 2: don't know that he would have had that without the

948
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 2: the the input from his mother and his father and

949
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: hearing those stories of even like his dad going to

950
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: get the loan from the from the bank and and

951
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: then going to see the Lindsay boys, and I mean,

952
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: those things showed him the way that you could navigate

953
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: life and still be successful.

954
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: You know, he said, he said, he said, I didn't

955
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: spend much time worrying about what people did wanted me

956
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: to do or not do. Yeah, which was somehow he

957
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: he was able to like not let the status of

958
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: the country and I think that's that would be hard

959
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: to do.

960
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 3: You know.

961
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 2: It's like he didn't focus on the issues he focused

962
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: on his destination, you.

963
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: Know, and the guy, I mean, the story he tells

964
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: is a phenomenal story. I mean, just from from going

965
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: to I mean in the best poverty, I mean just

966
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: in the back of a wagon, yep. To the success

967
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: that he had I mean, and granted, I mean I'm

968
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: talking partially about just like career and financial success, which

969
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways to evaluate success, which which

970
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: he would as well. But I mean just just an

971
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: incredible story. I wanted to even think about the technology

972
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: of him riding in a wagon, I mean, in the

973
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: nineteen forties, four decades after the Malot was born, they're

974
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: riding around and wagons pulled by mules. And then him

975
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: being a pilot on an instrument rated airplane that he

976
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: could fly at night, fly over all over the country.

977
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: He bought his airplane in nineteen seventy two and it's

978
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: the airplane he still has today and he just takes

979
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: immaculate care of it.

980
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: That's incredible, Yeah thing, yeah, yeah, bar what stood out

981
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: to you? I think, first off, I really like this

982
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: like style of Bear Grease podcast where you're just like

983
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: it's like an interview with one person just about like

984
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: their whole life nice and like something like this, like

985
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, like he condensed like eighty seven years of

986
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 1: his life into like these like key points, these key moments,

987
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: some like core memories and stuff, and like you know,

988
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: like you can get all that in like one hour.

989
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: So that was the first thing I thought was, you know,

990
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: just like from like a Bear Grease podcast perspective, I

991
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: like the story, yeah, style podcasts, nice podcast critique, yep.

992
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: But then I think one of the big points that

993
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: I thought was interesting was like you started out the

994
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: beginning of the podcast with him talking about how like

995
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: people would go up to the north and they'd come

996
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: back with like these new cars. Yeah, and like even

997
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: from like such a young age, like he never viewed

998
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: the you know, like the new cars his success or

999
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: that was never his like driving force was the material things.

1000
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: But then like you see, like you know, throughout his

1001
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: career he acquired all that stuff anyway just through like

1002
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: kind of like living that life or like the what's

1003
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: the verse that talks about like the you know, like

1004
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: your heart, everything flows from the heart. It was like

1005
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: his heart wasn't too, It wasn't after the material things.

1006
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: It wasn't after big success but it all kind of

1007
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: came with just that like heart posture that he lived

1008
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: with throughout his whole life. Like they were just kind

1009
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: of additional to him.

1010
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: Success was a constant path of progression, you know what

1011
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: I mean, It wasn't it wasn't this. When I get this,

1012
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: that will be success. Like he just always felt at

1013
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: the next level he needed to keep going.

1014
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like the material things were like a

1015
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: byproduct of like his true like goals and progression in

1016
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,959
Speaker 1: his career. So that was the main thing. But yeah,

1017
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: I thought that it was very interesting how well he

1018
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: like remembered his childhood, like how clear those memories were

1019
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: to him, and how well he described him. Yeah, was

1020
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: really interesting to see him at like eighty seven years

1021
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: old talking about all those things.

1022
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1023
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, overall, I thought it was a good podcast.

1024
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: He's a good storyteller. Yeah, like he knew. I mean,

1025
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: these are stories he's told one hundred times, I'm sure,

1026
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: but like he it carried a good story. You don't

1027
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: realize it when you're spellbound under the story. But it's

1028
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 1: karen a set of values and knowledge that the storyteller

1029
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: is trying to impart and his stories did that you know,

1030
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: they were just like they did it. They were poignant,

1031
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, and that's pretty rare. Yeah, I mean it's

1032
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: pretty rare to sit down with somebody and you know,

1033
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean, like we said, he was interviewed for like

1034
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: three hours and you heard about forty minutes of him talking,

1035
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: and so obviously this didn't encompass the whole man's life,

1036
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: but it's just kind of what made sense for what

1037
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: we had. I bet there wasn't a person that listened

1038
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: to podcast that didn't smile when they heard him telling

1039
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: the coon hunting story.

1040
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 2: He was he was in tears, laughing so hard telling

1041
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 2: that story. He's like, he is the scariest note of

1042
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: my life?

1043
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: Did you smile when you heard it?

1044
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 3: Man?

1045
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: I was like listening to while I was working on

1046
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: a bow. I like really couldn't even hear what he

1047
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: was saying, but it was just how hard he was laughing.

1048
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 3: Was like funny, I feel his pain. Where are we going?

1049
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 3: We want to go over there night?

1050
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 4: You serious?

1051
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 3: I don't hear dogs coos.

1052
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: Was falling out of them. Oh that was so good.

1053
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: That story was like a minute long. Yeah, it was

1054
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: so short, but it and but it was just so funny.

1055
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: Because he thought it was so funny, you know, I

1056
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: had to include that. Obviously he wasn't like a big hunter,

1057
00:59:54,400 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: you know, but that that was so funny, it like

1058
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: a second face. Anything else stand out to you.

1059
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was trying to. I was trying to think

1060
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 3: about some of the other other things, you know. I

1061
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 3: really appreciated his the story about him going to that

1062
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 3: shareholder shareholders meeting and like you know, like immediately being

1063
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: like faced with resistance and then something inside of him

1064
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 3: saying like talk say something, say something, and how like

1065
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 3: that there's a response to him saying something I don't know. Again,

1066
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 3: I think that's like a powerful thing because we we

1067
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 3: live in a society where like people might say something

1068
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 3: like online yeah right, but like never in a place

1069
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 3: of where like your words can you have to stand

1070
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 3: by your words? You're standing up in the shareholders meaning

1071
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: you can't shrink back behind like a you know, a

1072
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: covered name or what you know what I mean, you

1073
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 3: gotta like this is what I believe. And I just

1074
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 3: appreciated that that aspect of him when he recognized this

1075
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 3: is a moment where I can like say what I see,

1076
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 3: you know, and not you can And because the CEO responded,

1077
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 3: you knew there was a level of truth of what

1078
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 3: he was saying. Right, if he would have stand up

1079
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 3: and said something that was like outlandish, the CEO would

1080
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 3: have been like to sit down, but like because he

1081
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 3: was like on the mark, like I see all this,

1082
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 3: but why aren't you supporting black schools? And I just

1083
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 3: appreciate people who can recognize the moment it's time to

1084
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 3: say something and then having the capacity to like implement

1085
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 3: what they said. You know, I think that's some people

1086
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 3: can stand up and say something, but it takes a

1087
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 3: real guy or a lady to be able to take

1088
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 3: that vision of what you're saying and like implement it

1089
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 3: inside of their life.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously the story is so much more

1091
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: complex than what was told in digitally went from the

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01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: CEO having a to hour conversation with him to him

1093
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: creating bell Agtech, which has been around for like I think,

1094
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: I said, twenty years. He has helped all these kids

1095
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: go to school.

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01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 4: Fun facts, I know someone. I mean I'm ninety percent

1097
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 4: sure because I was listening when they were talking about that.

1098
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 4: Because of how he described it, I thought, I think

1099
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 4: that's I know someone who went to one of these

1100
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 4: this AG outreach program that was in one of the

1101
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 4: schools over there in the Delta, and he ended up

1102
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 4: going to Pine Bluff graduating. He is a very successful

1103
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 4: business owner here in northwest Arkansas now and if I

1104
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 4: said the name of the business, everybody would know what

1105
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 4: it was. Everyone from around he.

1106
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: Went to I mean I remember them, yes, through his program.

1107
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, they would talk about that basically. Oh no, he

1108
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 4: got hooked up with this AG outreach program to help

1109
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 4: young black kids go to become get involved in agric worture. Yeah,

1110
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 4: well he's it's interesting because he's not actually in an

1111
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 4: AAG field, but because of that, that was kind of

1112
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 4: a stepping stone for him to get connected to something else.

1113
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, going back to like the components of the

1114
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: story when when mister Ellis said, the CEO stood straight up. Yeah,

1115
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: he was a big, tall guy. Yeah, he's a good

1116
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: storytelling And you didn't know what was about to happen.

1117
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: You know, you were just like, is he gonna tell

1118
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: him to sit down and shut up? And he says,

1119
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you, and then you still

1120
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: don't really know, like is he gonna get in trouble

1121
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: you know? Or is he gonna and then and then

1122
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: the story goes on. That was so good. That was

1123
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: so good, mon Santo being the Uh. Now, when I

1124
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: hear the name mon Santo, I hear doctor Nucle's got

1125
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: a head out. Yeah, she's so so important, she has

1126
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: things she has to do. When I hear mon Santo,

1127
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: I think of like, big bad corporate. What are we

1128
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: doing here?

1129
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 3: Let's just meeting her?

1130
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I hear big bad corporate ag But anyway, sounds

1131
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: like I don't know much about him. But that word

1132
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: to me is usually a negative thing. Here it was

1133
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: a positive. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1134
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great story. I mean, a man

1135
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 2: who's made the most of his life. You know, those

1136
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 2: those are people to be to be just honored and emulated,

1137
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 2: you know. I think people can hear his story and

1138
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 2: use those characters and qualities and the and you know,

1139
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 2: not have to do things the hard way. When you

1140
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 2: hear someone who's actually already journeyed through difficult times, you

1141
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: can glean things to apply to your own life that

1142
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 2: keep you from having to do that. And I think

1143
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 2: this is a great story that fits that.

1144
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1145
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. Makes you want to pull stuff from older.

1146
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 2: People, absolutely, you know, absolutely.

1147
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 3: It just makes you want to sit down and tell

1148
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 3: me that because when you're young, like when you teenager,

1149
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 3: high school, like, and you're around older family members, like

1150
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 3: you don't recognize the value of like what they have. Yeah, like,

1151
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 3: let me let me hear about your story, Like tell

1152
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 3: me more about when you when you moved to Alabama

1153
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 3: and bought a farm, you know what I mean, Like

1154
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 3: you don't. And that's any crop of life, any race.

1155
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: That's why it's such a blessing when someone lives into

1156
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: their late eighties and is still really competent and able

1157
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: to really tell a story because twenty years, like I

1158
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: think about my grandparents, Like what if I, at age seventeen,

1159
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: had interviewed my grandfather, Lewin Nuklem about his life. I mean,

1160
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: right now, it just seems like such a miss. It's like,

1161
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: what were we thinking that we didn't put a video

1162
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: camera in front of this guy and talk to him.

1163
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: But nobody did that kind of stuff.

1164
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: Nope.

1165
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: And so it's you know, it's like twenty years after

1166
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: something is gone, do you realize that you should have

1167
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: done it? And that's the beauty of these older people

1168
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: that are still really able to talk because I mean

1169
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: what if a guy like Ellis Bell had only lived

1170
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: into his seventies, we wouldn't be doing this podcast. True,

1171
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: Like his long life is what made us to be like, oh,

1172
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: this has extreme value. You know, we need to capture this,

1173
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, and that that doesn't happen. So yeah, so

1174
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: we needed to start interviewing people that we don't think

1175
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: are very interesting and then maybe twenty years from now

1176
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: they will be.

1177
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny.

1178
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: That'll be a new business model. Yeah, oh, that's our

1179
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: new business model. Let's build a business for twenty years

1180
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: from now by doing someone's boring.

1181
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 2: Let us interview this.

1182
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, who do you think you are going to care

1183
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: a bit about tomorrow? We want to talk to him.

1184
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 3: You know.

1185
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: Christy had the forethought right before her grandmother died. She

1186
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: was like ninety two to just sit down with her

1187
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 2: for thirty forty five minutes until you I'll just tell

1188
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: us about your life and it's it's really valuable.

1189
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 5: She recorded audio recording why isn't this a bear grease podcast?

1190
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 5: Probably ought to be in a dirt house with a

1191
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 5: dirt floor, had dirt floors. She she helped her husband

1192
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 5: cut wood for a living. I mean she was an incredible,

1193
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 5: incredible woman. Yeah, Oma vaughn.

1194
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 1: Ye made the best cat had biscuits in Southeast Oklahoma.

1195
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: Yep, ye that right, absolutely every single day.

1196
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Next Bar Grease podcast. There you go, MA, Like,

1197
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: how do how do you think we handled the material?

1198
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: This is always real. It's tricky to me.

1199
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 3: I I almost when I listened to it, I almost

1200
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 3: texted to you because I thought you hit it on

1201
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 3: the head when you said Southerners valued the individual black

1202
01:07:53,880 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 3: person but didn't value despise the race, and Northern despise

1203
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 3: the individual but loved the race. I mean, it's it's true,

1204
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 3: you know. And I think I think that was the

1205
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 3: first time I've ever heard it articulated. I know, I

1206
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 3: know that that's the reality. I've read the books, you know,

1207
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 3: I've done all the stuff, and I just think I appreciate,

1208
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 3: like at least talking about it. I saw something today

1209
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 3: and I thought it was a good like capture this

1210
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 3: post talking about like, you know, engaging in policy discussions,

1211
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 3: and it said like they have two models when they

1212
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,759
Speaker 3: go into a room and try to develop a policy.

1213
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 3: The first model is like name the elephant in the room, right,

1214
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 3: And well, it's like name the thing that you don't

1215
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 3: want to talk about, Like, name the biggest if you're

1216
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 3: making a policy, Yeah, if you're making a policy, like

1217
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 3: let's talk about the elephant in the right, what's the

1218
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:59,919
Speaker 3: elephant in the room. The second is like embrace the cactus,

1219
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 3: like talk about the things that are a little prickly, right,

1220
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 3: And if you're able to do that, you're able to

1221
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 3: move forward and make a good policy. And I just

1222
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 3: think race is still an elephant in the room in

1223
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 3: like our country, And I just think being able to

1224
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 3: engage and talk about the prickly stuff, I think it's

1225
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 3: it's something that we all need to do because it's

1226
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,719
Speaker 3: only like when you're when you really have to engage

1227
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 3: in face? Are you? Like you? Does it like really

1228
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 3: provide you with the mirror of like do I think

1229
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 3: like that? You know what I mean? Like do I

1230
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 3: have a little bit of that mentality? And you know,

1231
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 3: I appreciate people who can who have a platform and

1232
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 3: do it in a respectful way. And I just think

1233
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 3: you did, you know, like even the subtleties of like

1234
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 3: if you hear me out some of the things you said,

1235
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 3: like if you hear me out, if you allow me

1236
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 3: to be vulnerable with you, if you allow me to

1237
01:09:59,560 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 3: say it.

1238
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: I was nervous as heck. Josh would tell you. I mean,

1239
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: it's like this fell in our lapse in a way,

1240
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: like I wasn't trying to like make a podcast about

1241
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: race in America. I mean, it's not even a very

1242
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: good time. I mean, it doesn't sound to me like

1243
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 1: a great time to even be talking about that. So

1244
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't like this was calculated also learned well. I

1245
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: mean I knew this, but it wasn't calculated that this

1246
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: is black history. But favor like this was this just

1247
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: we got access to this guy, we went and did

1248
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: it and we made this, and I was nervous as

1249
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: a cat. I mean, this is a hunting podcast. We

1250
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: could talk about killing deer, like we don't have to

1251
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: tread on this kind of stuff. But I love it

1252
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: because I to me, it's it's interesting to me. It's

1253
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: the kind of conversations that just make you think about

1254
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: your own elf. I think, and there's there's a in journalism,

1255
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 1: there's a there's something that I don't understand that I'm

1256
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: trying to navigate through it. It's like when you just

1257
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: say something that's true, that's really not your opinion, it's

1258
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: kind of edgy. For instance, like when I described how

1259
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: I lived in Arkansas my whole life, just like mister Bell.

1260
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: We have a common story and that we're both from Arkansas.

1261
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: And I lived in a place where there were no

1262
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: black people when I was growing up, like literally like

1263
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: and and here he lived in a place that was

1264
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 1: primarily black, and you know, and and when when I

1265
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 1: tell people about Arkansas, I sometimes tell him that just

1266
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,600
Speaker 1: because it's interesting. And it still kind of blows my

1267
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 1: mind sometimes of how geographically we have still segregated in

1268
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: a way. And that sounds wild even saying that, as

1269
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: risky as it is to talk about this stuff, but

1270
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: it's like, this is just the truth, you know. And

1271
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's something that we all know is true.

1272
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: We ought to be able to at least acknowledge it

1273
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: and talk about it. But uh, but I don't know.

1274
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I I love I love that we can

1275
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: we can have these kind of discussions.

1276
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 3: You know. I think they're beneficial. I think they are.

1277
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 3: I think they're beneficial to have them and being able

1278
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 3: to talk about them with your you know, your friends,

1279
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 3: with your family, with your kids, with your children. I

1280
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 3: think That's one of the reasons. Like, you know, my

1281
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 3: my oldest girls fishing with.

1282
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 1: Josh right an, he didn't like fishing better and squirrel

1283
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: hunt though.

1284
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 3: Does he? I don't know. He caught. He caught too.

1285
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 2: And if you got him, I got him hooked, if

1286
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1287
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,719
Speaker 1: And if you ask him that, I will politic again,

1288
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: Hey man fishing.

1289
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 3: If you ask them, they'd be like, hey, I heard

1290
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 3: you caught a fish. She'd be like a cult too.

1291
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 3: I'll let you know a call too. But like I

1292
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 3: I I want them, my boys to not like be

1293
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 3: defined by their race, right I purposely put them in

1294
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 3: situations that society might tell them like that might that

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Speaker 3: might not be your lane, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: And it's just a way that it's preparing me to

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Speaker 3: like be able to talk about the realities of society

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Speaker 3: and when we live because you you know, we go

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Speaker 3: to the golf course and I am, you know, probably

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Speaker 3: one of two people black people at the golf course.

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Speaker 3: But like it provides a space to talk about that

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Speaker 3: with my boys and with my wife, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I just think there's more people that need to need

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Speaker 3: to have that that level of strategic interaction inside of

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Speaker 3: this space, and you gotta got a platform to do it.

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Speaker 3: So you did talk about coon hunting, so you yell

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Speaker 3: us did Yeah, you checked off the box. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think this was a hunting podcast.

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Speaker 2: Well, his story, you know, we talk of The tagline

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Speaker 2: for the podcast is find Relevance and Things Forgotten yep.

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Speaker 2: And then the last line is to tell stories of

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Speaker 2: people who live their lives close to the land.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, yep, he did it, no doubt, no doubt. Well, hey,

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Speaker 1: this has been fun, A lot of fun. Yeah, a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Thanks for coming, Malcom.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll clears again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Well until next time. Is there anything else

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Speaker 1: we're supposed to tell people before?

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Speaker 3: I think we got it.

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Speaker 1: We got the bear Newcomb's got two films coming out

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Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks. The media YouTube that

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Speaker 1: bears on it's me and Barrack together. So it's not

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Speaker 1: they're really good bear hunting, bull of them. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: forward to. It's gonna be good. Yeah, and we've been, uh,

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Speaker 1: we've been. By the time you watch those films, most

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Speaker 1: of those bears would have already been eating.

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Speaker 2: We had we in our camp. We had Mountain Goat

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Speaker 2: and mountain goat and bear meat.

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Speaker 1: Yep, great, yeah, it was great. All right, Keep the

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Speaker 1: wild places wild because that's where the bears go. Mm

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Speaker 1: hmmmm