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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome, and thank you for lending

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Speaker 1: your ears ridiculous historians. I'd like to begin today's episode

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Speaker 1: with an excellent trivia question. I think this will work. No,

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Speaker 1: your fan of trivia. I'm a huge fan of trivia,

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Speaker 1: hit me Ben, all right? Oh yeah, that's right. I've

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Speaker 1: been a jurnal I forget that part, sometimes accomplished it. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: so here's the trivia which US states where once upon

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Speaker 1: a time independent countries of their own countries. You say,

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Speaker 1: well countries. There's there's the Kingdom of Hawaii, There's the

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Speaker 1: California Republic. There's Texas as well, which is still very

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Speaker 1: proud of that period in their history. They're trying to

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Speaker 1: turn back the clock in fact. And there's one that

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Speaker 1: might surprise many people, and that is Vermont. Vermont. You say,

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Speaker 1: home of Ben and Jerry's Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders, fish trees, right,

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Speaker 1: I think fish is from Vermont and the bandits. I

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Speaker 1: thought we were just now naming things. Yea, yeah, Fish.

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Speaker 1: You know famous Jim Jimmy Jam Newdley guitar guys. Apparently

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Speaker 1: they got together at the University of Vermont in Burlington.

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Speaker 1: I can see that meeting. Maybe they said, you know

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Speaker 1: what I hate when songs are less than twenty minutes long. No, man, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's funny too, because like the people that are really

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Speaker 1: into that band are like, dude, did you hear that

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Speaker 1: one show they played like the longest ever version of

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Speaker 1: slippy Dip. Yeah, that's a that's a fish song I

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Speaker 1: just made up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's uh it's up

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Speaker 1: there with um problem Yep, I think it's off there.

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Speaker 1: That's a concept out. Only only real music heads will

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Speaker 1: will get that reference fisheads, the only real fish heads, uh,

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Speaker 1: real music of ficionados like our man on the Ones

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Speaker 1: and twos Ladies and gentleman super producer Casey Pegram. No,

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Speaker 1: have you ever been to Vermont? No? But it seems

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Speaker 1: glorious and it's I mean beautiful. It's very green, um,

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Speaker 1: and it just seems kind of like a bit of

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Speaker 1: a of a liberal paradise, you know. It's often portrayed

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Speaker 1: that way. It's also very popular with nature lovers as

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Speaker 1: long as she don't mind a little cold. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: one other fun trivia fact that I don't know will

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Speaker 1: a game of trivia. Is the following. Of all the

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Speaker 1: US state capitals, the capital of Vermont, Montpelier is the

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Speaker 1: only one in the nation to not have a McDonald's.

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Speaker 1: I think you mean Montpierre call, and that is Casey

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Speaker 1: on the Case crushing me. Well. The interesting thing here

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Speaker 1: is that for most of us in the modern day,

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Speaker 1: US haven't really heard much about Vermont. It's not one

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Speaker 1: of those states like New York or California that seems

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Speaker 1: to be in the news every single day. No, No,

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Speaker 1: it's definitely not. Because it feels like there's sort of

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Speaker 1: sort of an oasis, right, Yeah, because not only just Montpellier. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not bad, Okay, Casey on the case, um not having McDonald's.

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Speaker 1: In fact, in all of Vermont billboards, my friend, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because they are outlawed. They are for boating, hand painted,

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Speaker 1: and I think showing the way to downtown or something

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Speaker 1: like that. It's pretty specific. But we're not here to

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Speaker 1: just list off trivia facts about Vermont, which you can

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Speaker 1: find at fifty States dot com slash fact slash Vermont

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Speaker 1: dot htm. By the way, if you want to, you know,

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Speaker 1: read some more of these. Yeah. Instead, we are here

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Speaker 1: to explore the story of Vermont's history, or as some

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Speaker 1: people called it, once upon a time, New Connecticut, New Connecticut,

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Speaker 1: new Connecticut. I like Vermont. I like Vermont too. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm a little I don't know. Every time I read

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Speaker 1: something that wasn't new. Total blah blah blah. It's like

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Speaker 1: you know when you have a Chinese restaurant where it's

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Speaker 1: like ming Wat two or like new New Mingwa. Right, right,

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Speaker 1: let's just come on or we're both pretty big Mitchell

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Speaker 1: and web Look fans also peep Show. They've got this

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Speaker 1: great running sketch that addresses how, at least in their opinion,

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Speaker 1: how how newly colonized places acquired these strange names, like

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Speaker 1: York was giving out land willy Nilly and New Hampshire

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Speaker 1: find that there's already someone living there and they think, well, hey, buddy,

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Speaker 1: a recipe for chaos, my friend. So what happens next?

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Speaker 1: Can we talk about the Green Mountain Boys? I would

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Speaker 1: don't buy all my furniture is from Chao. Yes, that's

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Speaker 1: Right there you go. So at this time, as revolutionary

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Speaker 1: the Green Mountain Boys make a name for themselves during

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Speaker 1: York exactly. But that was their thing. So the Green

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Speaker 1: But the syntax is kind of done in the English style,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna miss him. Oh that's right, should we announced? Well,

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Speaker 1: casey Pegram will be embarking on a grand adventure very soon.

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Speaker 1: He will return, but we're going to miss him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Green Mountain Boys, they were kind of terrorists in a

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Speaker 1: They became their own republic with their own currency, their

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Speaker 1: secede and we managed to that would require us establishing militias,

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Speaker 1: I imagine, right, and becoming completely self sustaining and independent,

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Speaker 1: where we could be cut off entirely for many um

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Speaker 1: government assistance or any aid from the federal governments. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here's here's why it's tricky. Right now, the U. S.

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court considers what they call unilateral secession unconstitutional. So

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Speaker 1: if everybody in Vermont, just by themselves, only the state

431
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Speaker 1: of Vermont, decided we're not part of this crazy continental

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Speaker 1: house party, get me off this crazy thing. That was

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Speaker 1: great George Jetson called love. That was so I married

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Speaker 1: an ex murderer. I was pretty good. It was surprisingly good.

435
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Speaker 1: Not that not my impression, but the film anyway. Because

436
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: of a case called Texas versus White Uh, the Supreme

437
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: Court says that states can't succeed succeed rather on their own. However,

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Speaker 1: a if they get the agreement of other states constitutionally,

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Speaker 1: it could be possible, like if one state wants to

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Speaker 1: secee if if UM. Oklahoma, for some reason, says, we've

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Speaker 1: had it. Even though we're surrounded by other states. We

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Speaker 1: we we want to do our own thing, and the

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Speaker 1: other forty nine states are all like totally man, It's

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Speaker 1: it's just been weird for a while. And we're you know,

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Speaker 1: ready for a change, we could still be friends. Then

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Speaker 1: it could be possible if all the states agreed. That's

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Speaker 1: never going to happen. Unlikely, That is highly unlikely. Would

448
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Speaker 1: have to be like a perfect storm of things falling

449
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Speaker 1: in place, like I don't know, I just I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't. There's really no mechanism to do it other

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Speaker 1: than like pure revolt. Right, isn't that kind of what

452
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Speaker 1: it would be considered to be open being an open revolt? Right,

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Speaker 1: it would be, and if if it were again unilateral,

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Speaker 1: But that's that's uh the case for a reason because

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Speaker 1: countries don't typically countries or groups of states don't typically

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Speaker 1: bake in that kind of secession. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: also say that the uh second Vermont movement from an

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Speaker 1: independence movement, has been um empowered by Brexit, the the

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Speaker 1: process through which the UK is leaving the European Union.

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Speaker 1: And that was a parliamentary procedure, I mean that was

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Speaker 1: an official vote part of their democracy, right, Yeah, that was,

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Speaker 1: and that's something that you member states can do if

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Speaker 1: they want. But now they have a portmanteau for the

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Speaker 1: Second Vermont thing that it is not super groundbreaking, but

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Speaker 1: I love it. It's fun to say vexit. I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say ver egsit ver meg is that that sounds

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Speaker 1: like a pesticide. I'm into it ver exit. But um,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, you know, do you think

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Speaker 1: that this is a good idea? Do you think it's likely?

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Speaker 1: I think it could happen. It seems a little self

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Speaker 1: defeating to me. I don't know. Uh, they're theren't even

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Speaker 1: manters out there that that are are down with this,

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Speaker 1: cause that know a little bit more like on the

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Speaker 1: ground info about the plan here. I'm interested because I

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Speaker 1: really don't understand how it would functionally happen. And I

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Speaker 1: see where they're coming from with a lot of the arguments.

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Speaker 1: You know, they they have problems with overarching corporate governance.

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Speaker 1: I hear that, right, you know. It's it's not like

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00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: they're making some crazy claim like we were going to

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Speaker 1: be an independent state with no Welsh residents or something. No, No,

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Speaker 1: it's it's I mean, it's it's weird because it's like

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Speaker 1: we they want to be separate, but it's very it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's all about inclusion. It's weird. It's it's not

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Speaker 1: like we're saying get out. It's saying we don't want

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Speaker 1: to come in. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a stickiest situation.

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Speaker 1: But I I think that you found the perfect way

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Speaker 1: for us to end, or the perfect question for us

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Speaker 1: to end this on. If you are from Vermont, if

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Speaker 1: you were familiar with the place, let us know about

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Speaker 1: your experience, and let us know if you support this, because,

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Speaker 1: as we have often said, you are the most important

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00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: part of the show. We want to hear about you,

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00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: and we're putting our our bloody where our mike is.

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Speaker 1: I guess we should do a listener mail. I think

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Speaker 1: we should, alright, our first listener mail. This is sort

496
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: of a heavy one. UM. We got an email to

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Speaker 1: two emails about the the episode we did on banned Books,

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Speaker 1: band science Books. UM. One of them. The subject was null.

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00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: I was bummed. And here's how it goes. Hi, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: First of all, a huge fan of stuffing. I want

501
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: you to know amarticulous history. I had a whole spiel

502
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: in mind to counterpoint your dismissal of fruit cake, but

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00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: I was in the middle of a long walk. I

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00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: homeschool reluctant and anxious twelve year old and play your

505
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: podcast in the car to keep the learning going strong.

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Speaker 1: It's very cool, um, and I just thought this was

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Speaker 1: the most thoughtful, sweet, intelligent email that we've gotten in

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Speaker 1: a minute. And UM, but I was bummed to see

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Speaker 1: that it was about a feeling of being disrespected and

510
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: that that is never what we want to do on

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Speaker 1: this show. So I'm just gonna give you the broad

512
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: strokes here. I just listened to three times society refused

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00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: to accept banned books and nol. I'm such a fan

514
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: of your whole personality and Ben's and Matt's great things happening,

515
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: but I was disappointed, um in the way you handled

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Speaker 1: some things on that episode. I'm paraphrasing just a little bit. Um.

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Speaker 1: She goes, Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but I submit that

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Speaker 1: scorning people who hold their deep and personal faith and

519
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: notch above the theory of evolution is becoming outmoded. When

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Speaker 1: I lived on a street with several Hindu families last year,

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00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: they had days set aside for sweeping the demons out

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Speaker 1: of their homes right into the street, I must assume,

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Speaker 1: and they kept images of terrifying faces over their front doors.

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Speaker 1: This was the Dallas suburbs, USA, where we are free

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Speaker 1: to practice our faith and hopefully a respectful environment. I

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Speaker 1: know I respected by Hindu neighbors, though our beliefs differed.

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00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm a human being who deeply believes in God, loves

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Speaker 1: my family, rights, useless pop songs, drinks whiskey, smokes when angry,

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00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: and embroiders nonsense to just my child at home with

530
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: such resources as Candy Freak by Steve Almond, your wonderful podcast,

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Speaker 1: and Yes, the Bible. I married my husband in part

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00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: for his vast record collection. Evolution, I don't know for sure,

533
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: nor do I sweat it. God can do anything you wants,

534
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: including making cryptids just to hide them for fun. It's

535
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: a big world out there, don't forget. No need to

536
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: assume everyone listening is just like you, and faith is

537
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: so personal and so dear to people. Stay away from

538
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: scorn and dismissiveness they unlike the decision not to worship

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00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: Evolution are for the young and uninformed. I love you

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00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: too much, am easy. So this specifically mentioning something that

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Speaker 1: I said, and I feel like I took a bit

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Speaker 1: of a tone in that episode that I regret. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't step back from my opinion, but I realized

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Speaker 1: that it does seem like maybe it came across as

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Speaker 1: I was criticizing Christianity, And I think the reason that

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Speaker 1: I may have taken that tone because I grew up

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Speaker 1: Christian and my relationship with Christianity is complicated, um, just

548
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: like everyone's relationship with their faith can be complicated, and

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00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: I think is a sense of it being on my

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Speaker 1: turf and in my personal worldview. So maybe I felt

551
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: a little quicker to get snarky about it. And I

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Speaker 1: also didn't mean to equate directly the idea of not

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00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: believing in evolution with being and somehow ignorant or uninformed.

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00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: You know, there was I remember distinctly there was a

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Speaker 1: moment in that podcast where we talked about, um, some Anglicans,

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00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: Anglican individuals and organizations who did not feel that what

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00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: Charles Darwin was writing about was contradictory or insulting to

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Speaker 1: their faith. And one thing that you and I have

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00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: always taken pains with, uh, not not just on this

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00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: show but any show in our house of Works network.

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00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: One thing you and I always taking pains to do

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Speaker 1: is to you know, mentioned that faith is an intensely

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Speaker 1: personal thing and where it's it's very important to us

564
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: as as a unit not to tell you what to

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Speaker 1: believe if it comes to you know your spiritual values. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: it's something that we hold very dear and and personally

567
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: important to be as inclusive as possible when it comes

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Speaker 1: to all faiths. And I think in this particular situation,

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Speaker 1: my tone sort of betrayed my intention, UM, because of

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00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: that complicated relationship I have with the Christian faith in

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Speaker 1: like your own personal in my own personal life, I mean,

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00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: I grew up in the Methodist Church and UM had

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00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: was surrounded by people who I think I felt were

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Speaker 1: a little bit judgmental, and we're not willing to see

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Speaker 1: both sides of an argument. And maybe we're too willing

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Speaker 1: to take everything in the Bible that face value rather

577
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: than seeing things some things in the Bible as an

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00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: allegory or some kind of descriptive story to help understand

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Speaker 1: things like epics. And I'm and I don't know, how

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00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: do you see it? Ben Well? I think first off,

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00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: first off, as has longtime listeners know you and I

582
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: are old friends outside of work too, and I can

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00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: assure everyone listening that you're not Noel Brown is not

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00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: a mean person, nor the type to UM You're not

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00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: a guy who who mocks things that are you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you ever come from a mean spirited

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Speaker 1: place at all. And additionally, you know, we just have

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00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: to return to the same point we we fundamentally do

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00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: not believe in, nor do we practice telling people what

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00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: spiritual paths they should take. They are your own. Here's

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00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: the thing too, and then we'll leave it. The nature

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00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: of the show. Obviously, it's a conversation between Ben, you

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00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: and me, but it's also a conversation with the audience

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Speaker 1: that they are not able to directly participate in at

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00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: the moment. Even though my favorite podcast, I feel like

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00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm part of the conversation and I'm listening to people

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00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: have a conversation that I am kind of um vicariously experiencing.

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00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: If I were to hang out with amy Z and

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Speaker 1: have this conversation and express my opinions on evolution as

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Speaker 1: they pertain to faith, et cetera, there would be a

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00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: dialogue going on, as opposed to I think an interpretation

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Speaker 1: that I was being intentionally condescending, where I think in

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00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: a real conversation over dinner or drinks, that would be

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00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: clearly not that you would see that was not the case. Yeah,

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00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: that's that's a great point. Also, I mean, thank you

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00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: so very much for writing very much beautifully written letter.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I don't know if you still live in Dallas,

608
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Speaker 1: but if you do, say, hey, did the town for me.

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Speaker 1: I've got some folks who live in Dallas, librarians, A

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Speaker 1: lot of librarians in my family. Know. I did not

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00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: know that about you. Ben. Well, yeah, it's it's a

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00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 1: it's a true story. We do have do have one

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Speaker 1: more or that made us laugh out loud, and I

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Speaker 1: feel like we have to read this one because we

615
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: totally did an inside joke with ourselves about it earlier

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Speaker 1: in the episode little sneak Peak. So here here we go. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Trade h writes in with an email entitled other terms

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Speaker 1: for Money. Hey, dudes, is Trade longtime listener of stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know and relatively new listener

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Speaker 1: of ridiculous history. I'm loving the podcast. Keep it up.

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Speaker 1: He sent us a thumbs up emoji, so you know

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00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: it's legit. Anyway, I just wanted to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about your episode What's the deal with two dollar bills?

624
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Speaker 1: You guys mentioned something along the lines of how you

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00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: can almost replace the words money or dollars with just

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00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: about anything and people will probably still know what you're

627
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Speaker 1: talking about. I found that hilarious and decided to try

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Speaker 1: it out on some of my friends. Long story short,

629
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Speaker 1: I'm buying some old records from a buddy of mine

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Speaker 1: for forty dollars, So during our conversation over Snapchat, I

631
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: tried this out twice. I referred to the forty dollars

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Speaker 1: as forty biscuits and forty hooligans, and in both cases

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Speaker 1: my friend just old with it, the same as any

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Speaker 1: other normal conversation we would have. I'll probably continue this

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Speaker 1: and try it out on other people as well, because

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun. I'll email you again if

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Speaker 1: I get any funny instances. Once again, thank you keep

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Speaker 1: up the good work on the podcast. Ye Jim Jab's Biscuits.

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Speaker 1: I would love to hear more of these, and I

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Speaker 1: think that we should start. I mean, I'm I've already started.

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Speaker 1: I'll confess to you, I've already started doing this in

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Speaker 1: daily life. Do you have a running list? I have

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Speaker 1: some that worked. The one of the weirdest ones I

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Speaker 1: pulled off this week was pepper dus. That's amazing people

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Speaker 1: we'll just agree with it. And I think it was

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Speaker 1: an audible laugh from outside the sweat box. And we

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Speaker 1: have encountered numerous instances of this. Who wanted to say

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Speaker 1: thank you Trey for writing to us and hopefully you're

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Speaker 1: inspiring your fellow listeners to find some more. Uh see

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Speaker 1: how far you can push it? You know, I think

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Speaker 1: shorter words are probably better. No, I don't think either

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Speaker 1: of us could get away with a sentence length slang. No,

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Speaker 1: but something like scaliwag might be cool. There we go. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but definitely not. Hey man, where's my five newmona Waltra

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Speaker 1: Microscopic silico valcanic con eosis is yeah. Yeah, they would say,

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Speaker 1: is that a medical condition or something like that? It's

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Speaker 1: a black lung disease. Does that really? Wow? I learned

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Speaker 1: that that's something that's the one thing that stuck with

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Speaker 1: me from middle school. Well done, well done. Uh so

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Speaker 1: we are going to call it a day. We want

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Speaker 1: to thank you very very much, Amy, Thank you Trey

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Speaker 1: as well. Thanks to everybody who's been writing it and

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Speaker 1: finding us on Instagram, on Facebook, VR, email, ridiculous at

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Speaker 1: how stuff works, dot com um the other things we do.

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Speaker 1: Ye help me out here. Yeah, yeah, still work shopping

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Speaker 1: away at that Pinterest board. Um. But we do have

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Speaker 1: an active Facebook group called the Ridiculous History, and you

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00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: can be a part of it. It's it's really become

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Speaker 1: a fun little little community. We pop in there and

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Speaker 1: you know, post embarrassing pictures and videos of ourselves for

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Speaker 1: your amusement. You Sickos, right right, and we encourage you

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Speaker 1: to participate in some of the wonderful threads or fellow

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Speaker 1: listeners have started. I'm sorry I called. I think you're

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Speaker 1: lovely people. I don't know. I mean, no time continues on.

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Speaker 1: Who knows by the time someone's listening to this few

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Speaker 1: years from now, Sickos, maybe like a tremendous company. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it also makes fools of us all time, time, time

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Speaker 1: after time. It's also never time at all. Yes, but

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Speaker 1: it is time for us to end the show. We

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Speaker 1: hope that you have enjoyed this look at the strange

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Speaker 1: story of Vermont, and we hope you stay tuned for

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Speaker 1: our next episode, examining some rituals from ancient Mayan culture. Rituals,

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Speaker 1: you say, are you referring to ritual alcohol animals? My friends? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: actually we're not joking. We're gonna give that a whole episode.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do something with it. Good lord, I

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Speaker 1: can't wait. I'm interested to know it works out too.

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Speaker 1: But but do tune in see if we can if

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Speaker 1: we can pull that one off. And butt chugging I

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Speaker 1: heard about I read something about but chugging recently. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there was a frat the whole Kerfuffle where these frat

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Speaker 1: guys were doing a thing called butt chugging, where they

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Speaker 1: kind of give themselves their own ritual alcohol animals like

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Speaker 1: the Yeah, yeah, the name says it all. Uh and

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Speaker 1: apparently it gets you quite tipsy. So join us for

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Speaker 1: what is sure to be the classiest episode of ridiculous

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Speaker 1: history in our career. Classier than the LBJ episode, even

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Speaker 1: even classier than lb J, if you can believe it

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Speaker 1: or not. We'd like to thank Casey Pagram of course

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Speaker 1: bid him bond voyage as he is preparing to leave

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Speaker 1: on his trip and uh on his adventure, Yes, I

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Speaker 1: dare say. And we'd also like to think, of course,

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Speaker 1: Alex Williams and Christopher haciotas our researcher extraordinaire um. And

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Speaker 1: of course we'd like to thank you folks. Yes, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for monsters and non vermonters alike. Sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we hope that we'll see you again very soon

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Speaker 1: on another episode of Ridiculous History. Goodbye,