1 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Novel. 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: Hey listeners, this is Ellie Flynn. Before we get started, 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: I just wanted to let you know that this episode 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 2: contains swearing and explicit sexual language and a scene that 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: raises questions around consent, which might be distressing. It's also 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: a story of female empowerment and camaraderie thanks to the 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: women who have shared their stories with us. We contacted 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: the photographer mentioned in this podcast multiple times for comment, 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 2: but we never heard back. He has not been charged 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: with any crimes and is presumed innocent under the law. 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: We also contacted Playboy USA. They state that they've asked 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: their licensees to blacklist the photographer mentioned in this series 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: and that they prohibit paid to play the practice of 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: charging models to appear in magazines. Our research into his 15 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: association to Playboy and their statement can be heard in 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 2: episode four. What do you do when you're a young, 17 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,919 Speaker 2: green glamor model who's desperate to make it in the industry, Well, 18 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: you go to a shoot camp, all inclusive, week long 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 2: events in exotic parts of the world where models and 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: photographers come together to take photos and party. And the 21 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: biggest one of all is the IBMS. And no, that's 22 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,279 Speaker 2: not a medical condition. It's the International Bikini Model Search, 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: the super Boys floor. 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: Rouder, catching me at the Miss Miami, I be Miss. 25 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: We are so happy to be here for Playboy. I 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: got chosen, should be published Playboy Mexico. 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 3: On everywhere I. 28 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 2: Go, it's just IBMIST, IBMIST. I've seen it promoted everywhere 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: on social media, and I've been told time and time 30 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: again to go to the IBMS. I'm told it attracts 31 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: huge models and amazing photographers. If I want to find 32 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: the glamour, that's where it's going to be. 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: I am here today to tell you about the IBMS. 34 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 4: Bahamma's event coming up. 35 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: Let's get your books. 36 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 4: This is the one. 37 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 2: This is the glitz and glam. Everyone knows about it, 38 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: a big event of the year. Crucially, we know Luis 39 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: Gomez is not going to be at this event. I'm 40 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 2: not ready to make myself or my investigation known to 41 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: him just yet. So it's a perfect opportunity to get 42 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: to know this world better. From speaking to our sources, 43 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: I feel like I understand Luisa's m O. It appears 44 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: that he tends to work with models new to the industry, 45 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: who are more likely to be swayed by his reputation, 46 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: but I do still have some questions about the industry itself, 47 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: what's left of it, what being a glamor model today 48 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 2: is really like, and what it looks like to make it. 49 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 4: I want to walk in the model's shoes. 50 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: So that's why my producer Eleanor and I decide to 51 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: go to the IBMS. We contact the organizer, a guy 52 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: called Patrick McKinney, to ask if. 53 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 4: We can come. 54 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: They know that we're journalists, they know that we're covering 55 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: the glamour industry for a podcast, and they know that 56 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: we're going to interview people, but they don't know that 57 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: we're looking specifically into Luis, and they don't know much 58 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: about the kind of dark side that we're investigating. So 59 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 2: we're hoping that we can get some answers there and 60 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: we can get a bit of a better understanding of 61 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: the industry. He says he's happy for us to come, 62 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: but asks us to pay one thousand US dollars each 63 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: to cover food and board. We pay, book our flights 64 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: and start packing our bikinis. Oh my god, we're going 65 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: to be in an all inclusive resort in the Bahamas, 66 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: living it up, having the time of our lives doing 67 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: a bit of reporting. But two weeks before the trip, 68 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: Alana gets a call from Patrick. 69 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 5: There's been a bit of a change of plan and 70 00:03:52,480 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 5: the event is no longer happening in Bahamas. 71 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: Now a much smaller event in Florida, in Orlando, which 72 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: is where the organizer lives. We've been told that there 73 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: still will be Playboy models and it will be held 74 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: in a mansion, but Orlando is not quite the Bahamas. 75 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: So I don't know how to say this all like 76 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 2: sort of causing offense to all of our American. 77 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 4: Listeners, but like so much looks the same. It's kind 78 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 4: of like it's these kind of soulless parking lots with 79 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 4: like Owend's and Denny's, an ihop a Hampton in We're gotted. Yes, 80 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 4: So that was obviously a real blow. Yeah, I'm furious. 81 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: I wanted to go to an all inclusive in the 82 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 2: Bahamas and I'm never going to get that opportunity on 83 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: a reporting trip again. It's still exciting, though, this is 84 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: my first opportunity to see the glamour world up close. 85 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: Is it really just victim after victim, scam after scam? 86 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 4: Or am I finally. 87 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: About to enter the glamorous world of so many models fantasies. 88 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 4: Can here we go, Oh my god, I actually can't 89 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 4: believe that that we're doing this. 90 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 2: I'm Ellie Flynn and from the team at Novel. This 91 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: is the Bunny Trap, episode five, The Wild West. 92 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 4: So we're here. We are here, pulled up. That's knock 93 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 4: on the door. Completely not what I'm originally. 94 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: We've arrived at the IBMS and our first impressions are underwhelming. 95 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 2: This is not the mansion Patrick described on the phone. 96 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 2: It's actually a neat, mid sized suburban house identical to 97 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 2: the others on the street. 98 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 4: Where's the playboy mansion of my glamour dreams? 99 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: The door and once we ring the doorbell and go inside, oh, 100 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: we're greeted by what can only be described as a 101 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: motley crew. There's about seven people here. Three half made 102 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: up models mill around the room in massive high heels, 103 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: while the photographers are padding around the open plan living 104 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: room and flip flops or bare feet, wearing T shirts 105 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: and board shorts. It look like they've wandered in off 106 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: the street. Some of them are playing with their lighting equipment. 107 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: One of them is in the middle of baking a 108 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: batch of cookies. 109 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: I have four kinds of cookies that I bake, and 110 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to see what you were if you have 111 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: any dietary restrictions. 112 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 4: I don't have any dietary restrictions. 113 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: Alongside the cameras and leads crowding the kitchen table, there 114 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: are bowls of scrambled egg left over from a home 115 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: cooked breakfast. Top forty hits blare out of the wall 116 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: mounted TV. This doesn't seem like a professional glamor modeling event. 117 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: In fact, it feels more like a family get together. Patrick, 118 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: a fit looking guy with biceps straining out of his 119 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: T shirt, greets. 120 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 4: Us with a warm hug, like we're long lost relatives. 121 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: The only clue as to where we are is the 122 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: baseball cap on his head and blazing with the letters IBMS. 123 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: Patrick's apologetic about the fact that we aren't in the Bahamas. 124 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: He says it's because the beaches aren't ready. 125 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 6: There was a hurricane Hurricane George, like five six years 126 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 6: ago and infected the Obamas, and before the hurricane we 127 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 6: were there, like three hundred of us. We're all there 128 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 6: for the event and it was beautiful. 129 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: So instead, the next IBMS will be in Costa Rica. 130 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 6: I was like, okay, so move it to Costa Rica, 131 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 6: and that's what we did, and everyone moved to Costa 132 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 6: Rica with me. We don't have problems there. 133 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: So looking around this room, I've got no idea what 134 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: we've spent two grand on. 135 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 4: When I ask where. 136 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: The Playboy models are, Patrick tells me they're running late 137 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: and we'll be here tomorrow. 138 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 4: He tells us not to worry. There's another glamorous site 139 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 4: for us to observe. 140 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 6: Someone's going to shoot in the Mermaid thing today. 141 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: Draped over the back of a kitchen chair. It's a 142 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: gigantic loan mermaid tale. 143 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 6: Just check this out. 144 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you don't kill it? Wow? 145 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 4: Oh heavy? 146 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: What the fuck am I doing here? When I meet 147 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: the event headliner, I realized things aren't going to get 148 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: any better. He's a photographer called Bob Womack, or, as 149 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: he prefers. 150 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 7: The infamous Bob Womack photo. 151 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 4: I've never heard of Bob, but the model's here assure 152 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 4: me he's a big deal. Like Bob is who he's 153 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 4: at editing skills for days. He's one of the top 154 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 4: photographers in the industry. 155 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: Bob is tall and wiry, puffing hard on a vape. 156 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: He looks like he's in his late sixties, and he's 157 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: wearing a homemade T shirt with his business name, email address, 158 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: and cell phone number printed on it front and back. 159 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 7: I've been a firefighter par mat for the last thirty 160 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 7: eight years. I retired from the fire department a year ago, 161 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 7: and I'm traveling around the country and around the world 162 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 7: and shooting the hot girls in bikinis and lingerille on 163 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 7: the beach or I'm pretty happy with that. Retirement doesn't suck. 164 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: By and large, the models here are a lot younger 165 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: than the photographers, and while I don't see anything on 166 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: toward happening, this strikes me as the kind of environment 167 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: where something bad could happen with the wrong photographer present. 168 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 2: I ask the models if they've ever experienced bad behavior 169 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: from glamor photographers. Is that's something that you've seen photographers 170 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: trying to kind of push push boundaries? 171 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 8: Yes, yes, all the time, all the time. 172 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they will try, But with Patrick, no. 173 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 7: They know better. 174 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 6: I'm mean that we have rules like well, big one 175 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 6: for me. 176 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: Is just protecting the marrs like a big time. 177 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 4: Have you had to fand people, Patrick? Oh yeah, really, 178 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 4: lots of people, how many people are Sometimes. 179 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 6: You know, you just tell people what's not allowed and 180 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 6: they listen. But every once in a while people don't listen, 181 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 6: so not allowed to come back, you know. 182 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: I mean, as a model, I can't imagine how difficult 183 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: it is to navigate your way through this safely, because, 184 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: like as journalists, we're trying to work out, you know, 185 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 2: who who are the good guys and who are and 186 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 2: it's and it's hard. They're all bad guys. It might 187 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: have been a throwaway line from Patrick, but it rings 188 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 2: true for me. Unsurprisingly, Eleanor and I don't stick around 189 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 2: until the end of. 190 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 4: The event. 191 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: To meet you. 192 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 4: Okay, bye h. 193 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: We paid nearly two thousand dollars to spend time with retirees, 194 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: a woman in a mermaid toe and a man who 195 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 2: is making bad after batch of cookies. I'm feeling the 196 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: way a lot of the models I've spoken to have 197 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: felt scammed. 198 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 4: You're okay, you look absolutely pained. I'm just so confused. 199 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 4: It's really really suspect to me. 200 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: There is a sense of glamor and luxury on their 201 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: website that I don't think translated to today. Maybe this 202 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: is the reality of these events. Maybe It is a 203 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: few models and a few photographers banding together to try 204 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 2: and find something in a bit of a dying industry. 205 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: And if the magazines don't exist anymore, then really, what 206 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: are you doing it for? They all just kind of 207 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: seemed happy to be there. Yeah, it's just I'm struggling 208 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: to find where the glamour is in this industry. 209 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 5: And we've asked about a refund, you know, partial refund, 210 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 5: and Patrick said yes, so that's something that will chase up. 211 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: I contact some of my sources to ask what they 212 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: know about Patrick. I hear that he's used the hurricane 213 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: excuse before to cancel events in the Bahamas, and that 214 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 2: he'll never return our money. Then I find out something 215 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: much worse. I'm told that the IBMS was the event 216 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: that Luis Gomes was banned from and then invited back 217 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: to because of his supposed playboy connections. Remember the one 218 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: we told you about where the girl allegedly ran out 219 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 2: of a shoot with Luis crying. We put all of 220 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: this to Patrick in writing, but he never responded to us. 221 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: He said it himself. They're all bad guys. 222 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 4: Fuck me. It scares me that you just have no 223 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 4: idea who you're meeting, or what kind of position you're 224 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 4: putting yourself in, and that could be a dangerous situation. 225 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 4: There just appears to be no regulation whatsoever. 226 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 2: So now we're stuck in Florida, not sure what to 227 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: do next, and more confus used than ever about whether 228 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: there's anything remotely glamorous about the so called glamour industry. 229 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: We've heard from so many models chasing dreams of stardom, 230 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: but what does it really mean to make it? We 231 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 2: decide to head south to try and find out to 232 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:21,479 Speaker 2: the glamor capital of the USA. 233 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: New York is all about work, La is all about entertainment, 234 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: and miamis all about fun. 235 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: South Beach Miami, blue sea, white sand, and beautiful people. 236 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 2: Everyone here is gorgeous, tans, glowing sous and music spilling 237 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: out of boomboxes, beach bars, margaritas and crystal glasses. It's expensive, 238 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: it's luxury. 239 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 4: I can't believe it. So gorgeous I am. 240 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 6: You're going to cry. 241 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 4: We've found the glamour. 242 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: When I thought of this world, when I imagined where 243 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: this podcast would take me, this is what I've been 244 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: looking for this whole time, and I've not found it. 245 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: Anywhere until I got to Miami. 246 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 4: Okay, well, now I can. 247 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: See why everyone wants to live the high life, because 248 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 249 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 4: I'm never leaving. I live in now. I need to 250 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 4: tell the father of my son and my son I 251 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 4: won't be returning to a lot of day. 252 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: Sorry. 253 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 4: I love you, boy, Daly. I live in Miami. Now. 254 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: I've lined up an interview with a model who seems 255 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: to be living the glamorous lifestyle I had in my head. 256 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: Her name's Melissa Laurie, and she's a big deal. She's 257 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: been in the industry for ten years and she's got 258 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,359 Speaker 2: nearly half a million followers on Instagram. 259 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 9: I wanted to be a superstar. I wanted to be 260 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 9: a celebrity. It was sex, drobs, rock and roll. 261 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: You know. 262 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 9: It was just all the glitz and the gleam, the yachts, 263 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 9: just I want it at all. 264 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: The thing I really want to know from Melissa is 265 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: how she makes money in a world that seems to 266 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: be full of gammas and dodgy operators. Unlike most of 267 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 2: the other models I've spoken to, Melissa gets paid for 268 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: her sheets. 269 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 9: I have actually never ever paid a photographer in my 270 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 9: entire life. I have never paid for a photoshoot ever, 271 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 9: not once. 272 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: The reality of the industry today is worse than I thought. 273 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: Melissa says one of the only ways to make money 274 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: is to travel around to be photographed by guys with 275 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: cameras who are willing to pay to photograph a big model. 276 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 9: Traveling models, you're going city to city mostly to work 277 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 9: with amateurs, and amateurs are the ones that are willing 278 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 9: to pay usually. 279 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 4: But photo shoots alone don't pay the bills I know. 280 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 9: For me and like most models that I know, this 281 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 9: is not our only source of income. There's times that 282 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 9: I can't even book a photo shoot for a month 283 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 9: or two months. It's not reliable. 284 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: So Melissa and all the other big models she knows 285 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: have a second source of income. 286 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 9: I do have only fans. That's like my pacid income. 287 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 9: The only fans culture down here is massive. The sugar 288 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 9: baby culture is massive. I used to be a little 289 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 9: naive to it. I found out some of my friends 290 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 9: were doing that kind of stuff. I'm like, oh, that's 291 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 9: what you do. I had no idea. 292 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 4: Do you feel sometimes like your pressure to kind of 293 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 4: take things further, to be more explicit on there than 294 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 4: maybe you first envisioned, you would be. 295 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 9: Absolutely I do feel pressured. I have felt pressured being 296 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 9: freely nude on the internet. Once you open that door, 297 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 9: people want more, they want to see more, and they're 298 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 9: tempting and taunting and teasing, and it's hard. I feel 299 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 9: like people are judging me because it's considered sex work. 300 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 9: I had this conversation I think with my roommate. She 301 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,719 Speaker 9: didn't understand why girls like turn to stripping and porn, 302 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 9: and it's money survival. People have to survive. If you 303 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 9: don't know what it's like to have nothing in your 304 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 9: bank account and your survival mode, you will do things 305 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 9: for money that you might not have done. 306 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 4: So that's glamour today. 307 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: There is still money to be made, but not in 308 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 2: the pages of Glamor magazines. It's online on new platforms 309 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: that blur the lines between modeling and sex work, and 310 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 2: this opens models up to ever increasing demands for more 311 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: explicit content. That's fine for models who want to enter 312 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: the sex industry, but plenty don't. Lots of the models 313 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: I've spoken to say they'd never consider having an OnlyFans account, 314 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: and so it feels even more depressing that they're striving 315 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: for a dream that died with Hugh Hefner. But the 316 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: Playboy dream does still exist for many young green glamour 317 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 2: models who don't know any different, and whether or not 318 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: that dream is realistic doesn't seem to matter to Luis 319 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 2: Gomez as long as there are still models willing to 320 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: pay for the fantasy. And back in the UK, I 321 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 2: learned that he's still coming up with new ways to 322 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 2: cash in on that. 323 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 4: Oh so depressing. He's still out there, like, how many 324 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 4: models is that? And this fine where is going to be? Okay? 325 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 4: So I'm just on the universe one three seven website. 326 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: By now, Luis's website has become a permanently open tab 327 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 2: on my laptop. There's usually nothing news to report, the 328 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 2: same mix of Playboy covers and posts of Luis shredding 329 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 2: on his guitar. But today is different. A new section 330 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: has appeared, and it's called Events. 331 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 4: What the actual fuck? 332 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: Louise's ad advertising his very own shoot camp taking place 333 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: in Puerto Ayata, a popular Mexican resort town on the 334 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: edge of the Pacific Ocean. So this event is Fashion 335 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 2: Beach Mexico Experience. Another amazing brilliant title We've been trying 336 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: to piece together, Luise is, whereabouts and what is up 337 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: to now? The most recent allegations I've heard about Luis 338 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 2: are from twenty twenty, when the group of models in 339 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: the UK called him out. There is Louise still claiming 340 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: to be a playboy photographer? Are there any new allegations 341 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: of abuse? This shoot camp is our first opportunity to 342 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: find out. 343 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: Can you hear me? 344 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 5: Yes? 345 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: Now I can, Now I can. 346 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: We're talking to a freelance journalist who's agreed to attend 347 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: Luis's event undercover. 348 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 3: I'm we outside of town. There's vultures circling in the 349 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 3: air overhead. 350 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 4: God, that's ominous. 351 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: We're calling him Mark, but that's not his real name. 352 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 2: He's an American based in Mexico, one of the world's 353 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 2: most dangerous places to be a journalist, so he doesn't 354 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 2: want to be named in the podcast. Mark's going instead 355 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: of us, as we thought sending a guy would give 356 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 2: us the best chance to get close to Luis. So 357 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: Mark's in Poersevata, getting ready to talk his way into 358 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: the hotel where Luis Gomez is hosting his event, and 359 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: we have the perfect idea to help him blend in a. 360 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 3: Goofy guy who just happened to stumble upon a photo shoot, had. 361 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 6: My camera on me. 362 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 4: A guy with a camera. 363 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: Mark's going to see how close he can get to 364 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: Luise and send us voice notes along the way. 365 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 4: Okay, good luck. 366 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: Mark enters the hotel. It's a massive complex a five 367 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: minute walk from the beach. He heads out into a 368 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 2: courtyard filled with people. 369 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 3: I'm in the back part of the resort, concets for 370 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 3: the beach. 371 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 10: I've got on of goes names Infinity. 372 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 3: Pools ah whatever. It looks like the horizon of the 373 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 3: pool explosion. 374 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 2: The crowd seems mainly to be Mexican families on holiday, 375 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: but Mark soon spots Luise. 376 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: A Black Star Wars baseball cap, a Black Star Wars 377 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 3: T shirt, black shorts, black socks, a little sling bag 378 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 3: around his shoulder, and he's wearing the big heavy kneepads. 379 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 3: And I guess for getting down and taking pictures. I 380 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 3: think I'll make an approach. 381 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 4: The guy with the camera act works a treat. Luisa. 382 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 4: Mark hit it off. 383 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 3: I shook hands with Luis. He did a weird I've 384 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 3: never had this happen before. He shook my hand and 385 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: then snapped his fingers like around my hand. It's a toy. 386 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 3: One of the weirdest things. He gives me bad vibes. 387 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 3: That's how you that much. But he's friendly in a 388 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: superficial way. 389 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 2: Louise has an entourage. There are three photographers and five 390 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 2: models from all over the world. Guatemala, Canada, the US, 391 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 2: and Argentina. 392 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 10: Yeah, we're all hanging out. 393 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 7: There's a photo shoot wrapping up in the fountains and meat. 394 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 10: I've got to know a few of the mines. 395 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 3: Everybody's very nic. 396 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 4: Mark captures the action on his phone. 397 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: Louise is soaked to his waist, kneeling in the pool 398 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 2: taking photos of a woman in a blue bikini. 399 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: We go. 400 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 3: Hiks now, I'll give back to it. 401 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 2: It's crazy to hear Mark talking about what he's seeing 402 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: being so close to Luise. It's even crazier to occasionally 403 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: pick up the tone of Luis's voice in the background. 404 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 2: As the sun goes down, Louise invites Mark to the beach. 405 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 4: And there are some new. 406 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 10: Props in one, two, three, four fire forces and then 407 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 10: all of us, and then there's also a guy whose 408 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 10: robberries to pick up the horse pook on the beach. 409 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 10: The rest of the beach is just doing their beachy things. Yeah, 410 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 10: it's a very strange scene. 411 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 4: Now Louise wants to talk. 412 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 3: Business Universe one three seven studios. 413 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, now one, So we're gonna be doing you know, 414 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: I speak more for Playboy, every. 415 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 3: Chan, Maxine Lifestyle, What Set Magazine. 416 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: Although amazingly Louise offers to give Mark his big break 417 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: into the glamour industry as a photographer. 418 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: Well, if you do like a good photos, although I 419 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: can't help to. 420 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 10: Publishing, Okay, yeah, I do a lot of my fifty 421 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 10: three fifty three magazines. Yea in Mexico, No. 422 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 8: In USA, in in everywhere, in Australia everywhere. 423 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 10: Wow, all they playbooks everywhere. 424 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: The all, the every chen around the world, every people. 425 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 2: It seems Louise is still dining out on the same 426 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: old claims that his Playboy connections give him the power 427 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 2: to make a newbie's career, whether they're a model or 428 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: a photographer. Mark didn't see Louise behave inappropriately with any 429 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 2: of the models, but considering everything I've heard so far, 430 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 2: I find it hard to believe his behavior would have changed. 431 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 4: And then I hear from a new witness. 432 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: She's got an allegation to share, and it's the most 433 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 2: recent I've heard. 434 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: I believe it was the longest and also at the 435 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: same time shor it is a few seconds or minutes 436 00:25:39,960 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: of my life. The thing is, obviously I wanted to 437 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: try a modeling courier, didn't know how to do it. 438 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm not from Ali, I'm from Europe. 439 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 2: Gabriella not her real name, had long dreamed of making 440 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 2: it as a glamor model in the States. She met 441 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: a fellow model who told her that shoot camps were 442 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: a way to break into the industry. She recommended one 443 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: that was happening in twenty twenty two, and guess he 444 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: was hosting Luis Gomez. The event was almost identical to 445 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: the one Mark went to. It cost five hundred dollars 446 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 2: for six nights of food, board and photo shoots. 447 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: It's a cool experience, you know. I was super excited 448 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: and happy. Of course, why not. 449 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: On the first night of the shoot camp, Louise came 450 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: over to Gabriella. 451 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: Like, Hi, my name is Lois. What's your name? So 452 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: he already showed me magazines since covers with his name 453 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: because his name is Universe one thirty seven. 454 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 4: He invited her to shoot with him the next day, 455 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 4: and she agreed. 456 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: And they're at ten eleven a m ish to his 457 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: room to make pictures because he told me he likes 458 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: making pictures in the room, so I didn't think much 459 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: of it, and I told him at the beginning, I 460 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: don't have many experiences. If you have any kind of 461 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: suggestions of posing. 462 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 4: Guide me. 463 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: Gabrielle is so green that she hasn't yet decided her levels. 464 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: The boundaries model set in terms of how explicit they're 465 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: willing to shoot. 466 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: I did not know what I was prepared for. I 467 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: never planned on every kind of shooting nude. 468 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 4: Gabriella in the Ways begins shooting on the balcony. 469 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: I told him, I'm nervous. I've never, you know, made 470 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: so many pictures professionally done, and at first he was 471 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: positioning me on the balcony with underwear laundres. So with 472 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: every shots when there's music, he makes you feel a 473 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: little bit more comfortable, more relaxed, more easy, especially when saying, yeah, 474 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: your looks are pretty, you look great. Oh my god, 475 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: that is a gorgeous shot. There's going to be great pictures. 476 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: Gabriella says that Luise suggested they move inside to the bedroom. 477 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: It was first lingerie and then do you want to 478 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: put your bra down? 479 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 2: Gabriella describes Luise as patiently insistent. 480 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 4: He doesn't overwhelm her. He plays nice. 481 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: And then your slowly, step by step, also get into 482 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: the content of making nude pictures. I told him that 483 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable. I've never done that. He said, 484 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: you know what, no worries. It's just gonna be pictures 485 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: for you. You can use them for your boyfriend or 486 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: man whatever. You should just capture the beauty of yourself. 487 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: And I believed him because I was, you know, figuring 488 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: he is an honest, respectful man. He's a professional photographer. 489 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: I figured it's okay for me as a woman to 490 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: feel pretty and beautiful and comfortable in my own skip. 491 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: That's the intention that I had for myself when I 492 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: always making pictures of me being fully naked. 493 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 4: Then Louise suggests that they do some filming. 494 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: And I asked him again, you know you're not gonna 495 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: put them anywhere. No, they're just for you and stuff 496 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: like that. 497 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: For the next few minutes, you'll hear Gabriella talk about 498 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: what she alleges happened next. 499 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: While he was making me feel more and more comfortable 500 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: and making sexyon videos and pictures of me, he was 501 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: putting the camera down, and after he put it down, 502 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: he started his way up from my feet and legs, 503 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: kissing me upwards. I was scared to leave at this 504 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: point when I was with him alone in the room. 505 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: So what other options do I have? 506 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 2: Gabriella says it escalated to penetrative sex. She says she 507 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 2: didn't say no to Luis because she was too scared. 508 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: There were so many thoughts in my head from one second. 509 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: So if I'm gonna say no, what are the consequences. 510 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: He can choke me, he can beat me on my head, 511 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: he has maybe a knife, I don't know what else. 512 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: Too many thoughts rushing through my brain. That the possibility 513 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: of me saying no was more harmful in my scenarios 514 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: that I was making up than just saying yes to 515 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: just get over, just let him have it, Just close 516 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: your eyes and it's done. 517 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: To be clear, Luis didn't threaten Gabriella, but she was 518 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: alone in a room with a man she just met. 519 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: She still felt a risk. 520 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: I was feeling and in a us endangerous situation. My 521 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: brain was like frozen. It was shutting off just I 522 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: would say survival mode. I believe it was the longest 523 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: and also at the same time, for it was a 524 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: few seconds or minutes of my life. 525 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 4: When it's over, Gabriella gets up to leave. 526 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: Her mind is racing, not making it obvious that I'm 527 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: super scared and nervous and shaking inside. Once I was 528 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: actually right. Two minutes later in my room, I just 529 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: figured what the fuck. 530 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 2: It left her grappling with the idea of consent. Gabriella 531 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: called her mom to help her understand what happened. 532 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: I didn't cry because I didn't want her to be 533 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: scared or worried about me. But I'm so glad and 534 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: grateful that she was here having an open heart and 535 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: listening to me and supporting me and knowing I can 536 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: be honest to herself without being judged. That's what I 537 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: needed at this moment, calling my mother and not being judged. 538 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: And you know, at least I didn't get strangled, I 539 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: didn't get beaten up. 540 00:31:59,240 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 4: That was my man. 541 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say I'm a victim, However, I was 542 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: an ef I'm gonna tell you right up front, I 543 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: was stupid and naive because I didn't know. You blame herself. 544 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: That's the thing, what I did? You blame yourself. You 545 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: feel so stupid, you feel so what the fuck did 546 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: I do? Why am I so stupid? And that's the 547 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: thing I did not know. I already cried about it. 548 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: You know what, when you can tell a story without crying, 549 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: this is the sign that you healed, you healed. I'm 550 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: not a victim. I'm a fighter. I'm a warrior. 551 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: Gabriella was able to get through the rest of that 552 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: terrible day by surrounding herself with the other models at 553 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 2: the event, and they gave her the confidence to confront 554 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 2: the ways. 555 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: I will tell you even what happened later during that day. 556 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm at the best women that could have ever met. 557 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: These girls advised me to make a recording of. 558 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: Him coming up on the Bonnie Trap. 559 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 4: Ladies, I got that, I got it all. I got 560 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 4: it all, I got it all, I got it all. 561 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god. 562 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 4: Would you like to see him prosecuted? 563 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 8: I would if I had a chance, because I know 564 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 8: there's people who back me up. 565 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 4: It's not just me. 566 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 8: We're an Army in comparison to him. 567 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 4: Thanks to the women who shared their stories with us. 568 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 2: We contacted Luis Gomez multiple times for comment, but we 569 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 2: never heard back. He has not been charged with any 570 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 2: crimes and is presumed innocent under the law. 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