Speaker 1: I am pumped to bring back another favorite episode one
Speaker 1: of them that I did with Kaylee Dickerson. She's the
Speaker 1: wife of Russell Dickerson and I had this interview with
Speaker 1: her right when Russell was popping off with his song Yours.
Speaker 1: It was his debut single, and Kaylee hadn't they hadn't
Speaker 1: had babies yet.
Speaker 2: They just were in the middle.
Speaker 1: Of praying for so much and believing in God's promises
Speaker 1: that were put on their heart.
Speaker 2: And this is just such a great episode.
Speaker 1: And I just had her back a few months ago,
Speaker 1: and it's just so cool to see where their life
Speaker 1: has gone and where God has led them, and it's
Speaker 1: just exciting.
Speaker 2: So this is a fun one to revisit with Kaylee Dickerson.
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Speaker 1: This episode of Get Real podcast, I have Kayleie Dickerson
Speaker 1: joining me. She is such an incredible inspiring soul to
Speaker 1: talk to. Every time I sit down and talk with her,
Speaker 1: I'm just blown away by her faith, by her humor,
Speaker 1: her trust in God. She and Russell Dickerson, her husband,
Speaker 1: who is a rising star. He just had a second
Speaker 1: number one single on country radio. He makes a grand
Speaker 1: entrance in the beginning of the podcast, and it is
Speaker 1: so funny.
Speaker 2: But Kaylee and Russell's faith is so strong.
Speaker 1: They have been believing in this dream of country music
Speaker 1: for so many years.
Speaker 2: We walk through their.
Speaker 1: Entire journey, and something so cool is Kaylee has been
Speaker 1: right there by Russell's side the whole time, and she
Speaker 1: has been the videographer and the producer of all of
Speaker 1: Russell's music videos so far. She said two number one
Speaker 1: music videos on CMT Blue Jacoma was her latest one
Speaker 1: in Yours.
Speaker 2: They filmed Yours when Russell had nothing going on.
Speaker 1: There was no money to make a music video, and
Speaker 1: they went out and shot it themselves.
Speaker 2: Kayley directed it.
Speaker 1: So their story is so incredible and they just have
Speaker 1: the most optimistic attitude about life.
Speaker 2: It's so uplifting to be around them. So get excited.
Speaker 2: Here's Kaye Dickerson. Okay, I'm here.
Speaker 1: At Kaylee Dickerson's How Hello, wife of Russell Dickerson.
Speaker 2: Hey. He was a very hilarious, dynamic country singer. Yes
Speaker 2: he is. Oh, oh, oh my god, he's here. Gee,
Speaker 2: didn't know he was gonna be here. Didn't know you
Speaker 2: had an elevator in your house. Oh love you, honeybuye.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Where where do you like to ride that elevator
Speaker 2: down to the laundry, down to the wine cellar library? Yeah? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: not very necessary, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay. So it sounds like you guys have no
Speaker 1: fun in your marriage at all?
Speaker 2: Zero yeah, zero fun. No laughs, no, no laughs none.
Speaker 2: What is a typical day like here at the Dickerson house.
Speaker 2: It is, it's an adventure. He is truly like wakes
Speaker 2: up thinking it's the best day every single day. And
Speaker 2: where does that mentality come from? I have no idea,
Speaker 2: Like it is he is unicorns, rainbows, like this morning
Speaker 2: he goes like, first thing I woke up to today
Speaker 2: was it's knowing. Like he's like, Buddy the Elf. I'm like,
Speaker 2: that reminds me of Elf in real life.
Speaker 1: He's like like he's never seen snow in his life,
Speaker 1: Like it's so cute.
Speaker 2: It's so cute.
Speaker 1: So that has to you have the same infectious personality
Speaker 1: also though, like you're always glass half full, optimistic, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm happy kid. I mean so seriously, y'all are like
Speaker 1: sitting on a rainbow to not skittles.
Speaker 2: I just pictured the little kid on like dream works,
Speaker 2: like going fishing from the moon. I'm like, yeah, it
Speaker 2: kind of feels like that. Yeah, So okay, since you
Speaker 2: guys have such an optimistic personality, how do you guys
Speaker 2: deal with.
Speaker 1: This music industry? Because not every day is an optimistic day?
Speaker 1: So how do you navigate this wild industry? And you
Speaker 1: guys have something? Y'all have something really special because you
Speaker 1: are always by Russell's side. Yeah, Like y'all are a
Speaker 1: true partnership and you are on the road with him constantly,
Speaker 1: which a lot of women would have a hard time doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. Okay, so you're made for it.
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah. I have five older brothers, so
Speaker 2: the only girl, the only girl, and we traveled so
Speaker 2: hardcore for soccer for them that I lived in a
Speaker 2: van with a bunch of boys. This is normal for now,
Speaker 2: I just live in a bigger van with a bunch
Speaker 2: of boys. Actually, yeah, love it, I really do love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's yeah, it's not an industry that's always rainbows
Speaker 2: and unicorns. But I feel like we've known for so
Speaker 2: long and had to fight for everything we knew he
Speaker 2: was supposed to do that, even the things that we
Speaker 2: were like praying for so hard, we like we want this,
Speaker 2: we want that, and even when they didn't happen, it
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, they're not supposed to happen. So it's
Speaker 2: just the lands is like everything works together for the
Speaker 2: good always, you know. So like we actually laughed about
Speaker 2: that the other day, like he really wanted to think
Speaker 2: called on the verge for radio, and we were praying
Speaker 2: for it for years, you know, We're like, oh, we'll
Speaker 2: get that.
Speaker 1: You know. On the verge is where all the radio
Speaker 1: stations decide to play your songs.
Speaker 2: Ryeah, yeah, like you're single. So we were like definitely,
Speaker 2: we're definitely you have to be like a first artist.
Speaker 2: It has to be like your first thing. And he
Speaker 2: didn't get it, and we were so bummed, and honestly,
Speaker 2: looking back, I'm really we're thankful. Like now we're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm actually kind of glad that we built those relationships
Speaker 2: the hard way and like did it the long way,
Speaker 2: and now the second time I'm around, it was it
Speaker 2: was better and it was I don't know, we just
Speaker 2: we thought it just wasn't our story. And for some
Speaker 2: people it like skyrockets them into the stratosphere. And it's great.
Speaker 2: It's everyone's story is so different, but we're grateful for
Speaker 2: how ours has. You know, is turning out. God is
Speaker 2: a big part of y'all's journey. You always talk about God.
Speaker 1: I know that this is this is like the centerpiece
Speaker 1: of y'all's life, career.
Speaker 2: Marriage. Where does that come from? We both grew up
Speaker 2: in the church. Okay, so his dad is a worship
Speaker 2: pastor in Nashville at Woodmont Baptist where we got married,
Speaker 2: really in Greenhill because some preachers' kids turn the other
Speaker 2: way and like get wild and crazy. We both had
Speaker 2: our We definitely had our. I don't I know I
Speaker 2: had a I don't think I believe in God anymore faith.
Speaker 2: Yeah I had that phase in high school. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: he never did. He is just like the most faith,
Speaker 2: like they say, like faith is a gift. He has
Speaker 2: the gift of faith, just blind, total faith.
Speaker 1: I I'm always gonna think of him like Buddy the
Speaker 1: elf now from Yeah, oh yeah he really is.
Speaker 2: He really is, just not in the jumpsuit, but he's
Speaker 2: like world's best coffee. Congratulations. Yeah, So I grew up
Speaker 2: Pastor's sister, and so because my brother is basically old
Speaker 2: enough to be my dad. Okay, because yeah, that's what
Speaker 2: you said. Your oldest brother is twenty years twenty years older.
Speaker 2: So he was my youth pastor. He was really foundational
Speaker 2: in my beliefs, and my parents are Christians, but he
Speaker 2: was more hands on, went to seminary. I was learning
Speaker 2: all these things with him that I thought were so
Speaker 2: interesting and then had a moment where I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't think this is real.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh no, this is definitely real. Okay,
Speaker 1: so what was that moment? Why did you not think
Speaker 1: it was real? And then what made you?
Speaker 2: I brought me back. I went to Belmont, So in
Speaker 2: my high school in Wisconsin, there were like there were Christians,
Speaker 2: but it was no one was like I'm gonna make
Speaker 2: sacrifices for this, and I kind of was. I didn't
Speaker 2: go to all the parties and I didn't do things
Speaker 2: that I thought like a good Christian should do, you know.
Speaker 2: And I moved to Nashville and I was like, there
Speaker 2: are gonna be a they're Christians. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be alone and I got here and that didn't happen,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, I think this is just
Speaker 2: something my family does, okay. And I was like, maybe
Speaker 2: this isn't real okay, and then I kind of I
Speaker 2: didn't do anything wild and crazy to figure it out,
Speaker 2: but all of a sudden I felt different one day,
Speaker 2: I remember, and I was like, if I feel different,
Speaker 2: that means there's something to feel, so God's real. That
Speaker 2: was it. And then that was it. It was just
Speaker 2: that then on you yeah, just sure, yeah, like it
Speaker 2: felt like the joy in life was gone, okay, And
Speaker 2: I was like if if if there's something to feel
Speaker 2: like that, then God's real. I don't know, it's just
Speaker 2: that simple. Yeah. And we found each other way after that,
Speaker 2: like I had come full circle. I was like doing
Speaker 2: missions photography and he was leading worship at a bunch
Speaker 2: of churches and you were not interested in dating musician,
Speaker 2: Like that was not on the agenda for daily No,
Speaker 2: definitely not so what I always found them like, I
Speaker 2: would say that if I look at my track record,
Speaker 2: it was all musics. They were all musicians, Like what
Speaker 2: is wrong with me? I was drawn to it? I
Speaker 2: guess I don't know, and so I've done some stalking
Speaker 2: on you and obviously I know you.
Speaker 1: But so you had like maybe not the best relationship
Speaker 1: before Russell. Oh yeah, so you got a little burned,
Speaker 1: and so you weren't necessarily open, especially to the musician,
Speaker 1: especially to a relationship. How did you You talked about
Speaker 1: trust a lot, like Russell told you to trust them,
Speaker 1: but you're like, okay, you're a human.
Speaker 2: And then finally like you've.
Speaker 1: Heard that God, yeah told you trust? Where did that
Speaker 1: all come from? And you're still good at hearing science
Speaker 1: from God? Like hearing hearing God speak to you. He
Speaker 1: comes to you in dreams, he comes to you in signs.
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about that. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that's incredible.
Speaker 1: But so like how did that come? Where you knew
Speaker 1: you had to trust and like this is a leap
Speaker 1: you're gonna take.
Speaker 2: I I would always pray that if it wasn't God's
Speaker 2: best whoever I was dating after that guy, after I
Speaker 2: got burned, I was like, if this isn't your best
Speaker 2: for me, God, just take him, okay, And every single
Speaker 2: time he did, like within like two weeks. That's what
Speaker 2: I love about your face. It is like you ask
Speaker 2: and it gets answered, Well, he's like that though in
Speaker 2: my obviously in my experience, but you trust so will
Speaker 2: you trust so fully that the answer is coming? Well,
Speaker 2: it came from hard decisions like breaking up with that guy.
Speaker 2: I honestly was like, God, if if he's not gonna
Speaker 2: be faithful, like I always had a fear of that
Speaker 2: and with him specifically, And if that's gonna be the
Speaker 2: trajectory of my life and I'm gonna have kids and
Speaker 2: this is gonna happen, I need it to happen now, Yes,
Speaker 2: get out and no joke. In the two years we
Speaker 2: had dated, he had never cheated on me, and after
Speaker 2: I prayed that he cheated six times. Wow, And I
Speaker 2: was like okay, So it took a hard thing. I
Speaker 2: broke up with the guy I thought I was gonna marry.
Speaker 2: And it's not all like rainbows hearing God speak because
Speaker 2: that sucked a lot. But then when it came to
Speaker 2: rebuilding my heart and trusting someone again, I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, well God saved me the last time, he'll
Speaker 2: do it again. And it's actually a really cool story.
Speaker 2: I got to call him probably years later because I
Speaker 2: was in church and I was like, God, what's like
Speaker 2: between us, like is there anything like I'm holding on to,
Speaker 2: like just talk to me basically? And how do you
Speaker 2: talk to God? Like how do you how does he
Speaker 2: answer you? How do you know when he's giving you
Speaker 2: an answer? You just know? Like it's almost like someone
Speaker 2: it's like you think of something you didn't think of,
Speaker 2: so all of a sudden, I thought it'll come across
Speaker 2: my mind that I know I didn't generate, okay. And
Speaker 2: there's faith in that too, because sometimes you're like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking that, right, and then you just trust
Speaker 2: it and see what happens and if it's not him,
Speaker 2: it'll show itself. But in this case it was. And
Speaker 2: he was like, you don't believe I won't let you down, okay,
Speaker 2: And I was like whoa and an all knowing response. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like some people. Everyone's different. Everyone hears God different.
Speaker 2: It's feelings or dreams or in this case, he doesn't
Speaker 2: always speak like that to me, but when I ask,
Speaker 2: he usually says something okay. And so I I was
Speaker 2: like immediately thought of my ex and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I I prayed for this and all
Speaker 2: this time I've thought that you hurt me and let
Speaker 2: me date someone who would hurt me when really he
Speaker 2: immediately was like I saved you. And I was like, whoa,
Speaker 2: you didn't let me down. You saved me. And so
Speaker 2: immediately I remembered I had prayed for it, and I
Speaker 2: thought of how he must still be feeling because he
Speaker 2: would come to town for the next year and try
Speaker 2: and get me back. And you were like strong on it.
Speaker 2: You're like, no way, not happening. Yeah. Once you made
Speaker 2: up your mind, you were done. I was done. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well also, and once you found out he cheated on
Speaker 2: you six times, well yeah. And I honestly was willing
Speaker 2: to forgive him. And then I remembered what I'd prayed
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my bad, Like I forgot.
Speaker 2: I totally forgot. Yeah, And I was like I can
Speaker 2: forgive you. And anyway, it's this is the real, the
Speaker 2: real deal story. And so I called him year like
Speaker 2: years later and I maybe were married at this point,
Speaker 2: oh wow, And we were in church and he was
Speaker 2: actually leading warship and I walked out and I was yeah,
Speaker 2: and I called my ex and I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: I just want you to know that that wasn't you,
Speaker 2: Like we weren't supposed to be together and I wasn't
Speaker 2: going to see it other than that. And I just
Speaker 2: want to release you from thinking that you messed everything up.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I prayed for this to happen
Speaker 2: if we weren't supposed to be together, and it happened,
Speaker 2: and it's not your character and it's not who you
Speaker 2: are and you're not going to you know, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, he's crying on the phone.
Speaker 1: I'm crying on the Wow, you gave him serious like
Speaker 1: forgiveness and freedom.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I was like, this is not going to
Speaker 2: be your future. I mean it's shifted into like prophesying
Speaker 2: over his life. I'm like, this is not who you are,
Speaker 2: this is not who you're going to be. You're going
Speaker 2: to be a great dad and a great husband, and
Speaker 2: and just kind of let him go. And I mean
Speaker 2: he was crying, I was crying, and what a release though.
Speaker 1: It was a really special thing actually, And then for
Speaker 1: him to have that giveness for me, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and to think that like he doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: that person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he won't. He's married as a kid, like
Speaker 2: he's just a good dude. I hope I think you know,
Speaker 2: so I've gone through like the hard stuff with God
Speaker 2: that that good stuff is that much sweeter and so
Speaker 2: are you able to see the hard stuff now as
Speaker 2: part of God's good plan totally. That's something I've been
Speaker 2: learning lately, is because I used to think things were
Speaker 2: good or bad, like if something like bad happens, you know,
Speaker 2: and especially like in this industry, this wild industry, like
Speaker 2: it's a roller coaster ride, and I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 2: if things don't go according to plan, And even with
Speaker 2: my own career, I've had.
Speaker 1: A wild career in the industry. It's like so many
Speaker 1: things have blown up in my face. And in the
Speaker 1: beginning it crushed me, Like when it first started happening,
Speaker 1: I was like, how can this happen?
Speaker 2: In my life? Is over? How will we ever like
Speaker 2: move on?
Speaker 1: And then comes this next wave of lessons of learning,
Speaker 1: of things getting answered in ways that could have never
Speaker 1: been answered if something bad per se hadn't happened, And
Speaker 1: it's made me realize that things really aren't bad.
Speaker 2: You just have to be willing to find the message
Speaker 2: in them. And it's all for the good. It's all
Speaker 2: for the good.
Speaker 1: It's all for the good, and we just expect that
Speaker 1: God's gonna do things in a way that feel right
Speaker 1: to us.
Speaker 2: But God teaches us lessons in all different ways totally,
Speaker 2: and now a lot of them hurts. It's not like
Speaker 2: his goal for our lives isn't that it's like sunshine
Speaker 2: and unicorns. It's not. It's that we are good people
Speaker 2: and we're humble people, and that we love others well.
Speaker 2: And sometimes the hard stuff force you to do those
Speaker 2: things and see what really matters and what doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: And you see it. You're in Africa with little kids
Speaker 2: who are smiling bigger than anyone you've ever seen in
Speaker 2: your life, and all they have is a deflated soccer ball.
Speaker 2: Like there are things in this life that we think
Speaker 2: matter that don't at all. Yeah, they just don't. They don't.
Speaker 1: And I think that perspective is what really opens our
Speaker 1: eyes to it. I totally, and I've like this year
Speaker 1: my word has been surrender because so good.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just like I.
Speaker 1: Always have so many plans and I still have so
Speaker 1: many plans, and I still have so many.
Speaker 2: Goals, and like I want my life. I know how
Speaker 2: I want my life to look because I very visionary
Speaker 2: in my mind.
Speaker 1: But also I'm like some of the greatest things that
Speaker 1: ever happened to me have been so off course.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, So it's just.
Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to just let it all roll and
Speaker 1: if something happens that rocks in my world, just get
Speaker 1: the lesson, figure out why it happened.
Speaker 2: And sometimes being humbled is such a good thing too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm thankful too. Like, even if I hadn't had that heartbreak,
Speaker 2: how would I ever relate to other girls who've been heartbroken?
Speaker 2: Mm hm? You know, and what if you you might
Speaker 2: not even appreciate Russell, Oh happy he is. You might
Speaker 2: just think that's how Yeah, people are just like that.
Speaker 2: No they're not, No, they're not. But yeah, like I'm
Speaker 2: just so even so, Russ and I even broke up
Speaker 2: while we were dating, okay, or y'all just just test
Speaker 2: it out to make sure. Michael and I broke up too,
Speaker 2: and we were just we just graduated college. He was
Speaker 2: about to take off and be this superstar and I
Speaker 2: was I was still figuring my stuff out too, And
Speaker 2: so even when that, even when that ended, I still
Speaker 2: was praying, God, if this is not your best, if
Speaker 2: this isn't your best for me, like take him. And
Speaker 2: so when that happened. I was like, Okay, maybe it's
Speaker 2: not Russell. And I just had so much peace because
Speaker 2: I'd already done this, you know, and I'd already and
Speaker 2: so in turn, I didn't get all clinging on him
Speaker 2: and be like but but no, no, no, we're supposed
Speaker 2: to be together. We're supposed to be together. Your faith
Speaker 2: was strong. I just let him go. I let him
Speaker 2: go and and I prayed for him and prayed. I
Speaker 2: was like, I would still be like if it's if
Speaker 2: it's him bringing back. If it's not, I don't want him.
Speaker 2: And sure enough, within about a month he came back
Speaker 2: and he called me on Thanksgiving. While in that month,
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm thankful for you and I was like,
Speaker 2: excuse me, what why are you calling me? He was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just thought about you and just
Speaker 2: want to tell you I was thankful for you. Its
Speaker 2: like okay. Because he was like we'll be friends, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, hell no, I've never been one of
Speaker 2: those people to be friends with exes. No. I was like,
Speaker 2: you do not get both my friends, you do not
Speaker 2: get both. And I think that honestly helped a lot,
Speaker 2: because I could just really let him go and I
Speaker 2: wasn't half there, half not and not lukewarm. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: was like, you're all in or you're not. And he
Speaker 2: came back and it was all in, and then you'll
Speaker 2: how long until you got married? After that? He proposed
Speaker 2: a year in a month or so after that, and
Speaker 2: then we got married three months after that. As soon
Speaker 2: as we were engaged, okay, song age was very veryge
Speaker 2: we were like, let's do this, let's get married. We
Speaker 2: weren't living together, you know, we were like, we're so
Speaker 2: excited to be married. I didn't. I wasn't excited about
Speaker 2: a wedding, Like, yeah, I really. I was like this
Speaker 2: sounds so stressful, especially as the only girl. I was like,
Speaker 2: pressure is on. And I was like, so, y'all have
Speaker 2: kind of a low key wedding. There's six hundred people.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Not at the receptions. Anxiety. No, I'm
Speaker 2: not a very anxious person, which also I think helps
Speaker 2: with this whole world.
Speaker 1: It's because of your faith that you don't have anxiety. Probably, yeah, probably.
Speaker 2: You're so solid in your faith. No, No, there's plenty
Speaker 2: of times I'm like, hello God, Hello, dinging being right here.
Speaker 2: You know, there's plenty of times but or when a
Speaker 2: friend of mine just went through something so hard. And
Speaker 2: there are plenty of times I'm like, God, where are
Speaker 2: you in this? Because this is not good? And there
Speaker 2: because life happens and we're not in heaven so it's
Speaker 2: just not gonna be heaven here and I understand that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's plenty of times that I'm like, hello,
Speaker 2: this isn't cool. Yeah, this is really really hard. And
Speaker 2: there were plenty of times in his career the last
Speaker 2: five years we've been like where are you? I know,
Speaker 2: I know, I think though everyone has that journey and
Speaker 2: it's okay. It's more human being. It's like if anyone
Speaker 2: tells you they never question anything anytime, I'd be like
Speaker 2: Concer unless they're rustle and they have the gift of faith.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, he just really is like a fairy
Speaker 2: and God is everywhere and what's so huge? What would
Speaker 2: it be to be like him for a day. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know. I'm honestly kind of scared.
Speaker 2: Like his he has a serious add Oh it's like
Speaker 2: bing bing bing bing bing, It's so fun.
Speaker 1: We were just talking about how he's starting his vlog,
Speaker 1: which who knows if this will ever even happen.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest because his.
Speaker 1: Add is like I'm super into this right now, and
Speaker 1: then it changes everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's doing the whole thing. Okay, but it's like
Speaker 2: I watched them his first episode and it truly is
Speaker 2: like insight into his brain. Okay, because this is his direction,
Speaker 2: because it's he is shooting, he's choosing what to film,
Speaker 2: he's editing, so it is like all over the place,
Speaker 2: like it is like a trip through his brain. It's
Speaker 2: so fun exciting. Yeah, it's exciting. I'm excited. I'm excited,
Speaker 2: and I'm just glad I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's kind of fun with the camera, babe,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna chill.
Speaker 2: It's a change of roles because you're the videographer of
Speaker 2: the family. Hello to CMT number one videos. Hey, how
Speaker 2: is that weird? Like it's so funny. I'm super proud
Speaker 2: of it because female directors are really rare, like really rare. Yes,
Speaker 2: Like we were nominated for Breakthrough Video last year at
Speaker 2: CMTS filming, so yeah, just making sure we're filming. I
Speaker 2: had to rig my situation so it couldn't check it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we should take I should take a picture of what's
Speaker 2: happening over here to put on. That's how I'll posts
Speaker 2: that we're doing this podcast. So we were nominated for
Speaker 2: CMT Breakthrough Video with Yours Yes, which was purely just
Speaker 2: me and him and our friend Ben driving, And that.
Speaker 1: Was also a leap of faith video because at that
Speaker 1: point there wasn't a whole lot going on with Russell's career.
Speaker 2: No, there was nothing. Everyone had said no, everyone had
Speaker 2: said no. So you said, okay, let me just go
Speaker 2: out and film this video. Yeah. Yeah, Well I had
Speaker 2: so my fourth brother, the one whose apartment we're in
Speaker 2: in which also you have a getaway in La which
Speaker 2: we have to talk about. Yes, he moved to Santa Barbara,
Speaker 2: but he was rent controlled and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna take this over. It's a dream. So he
Speaker 2: is a director, has done tons of major, major music videos,
Speaker 2: and so I was a junior in college and he
Speaker 2: was like, hey, I'd just gotten a nice camera for
Speaker 2: Christmas and he had this video job come through that
Speaker 2: they didn't initially like the first video that was shot,
Speaker 2: so all the budget was gone and he's like, I
Speaker 2: have five thousand dollars to pull off a video wasn't
Speaker 2: it Nora Jones or yeah. He's like, can you bring
Speaker 2: your camera? And I was like sure, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I've never done this and he was like I was senior,
Speaker 2: was like coming into her moment. No, it wasn't like
Speaker 2: come away with me, but it was like shortly after
Speaker 2: and within like five years of that, I don't know.
Speaker 2: And so we flew out. I was like, what are
Speaker 2: we doing? Where are we going? He's like, I'm taking
Speaker 2: you to New York. We're doing this. So I'm a
Speaker 2: junior in college. I've never shot a music video in
Speaker 2: my life. I'd just done photography, so I don't know
Speaker 2: why I said photography so weird. I did photography like
Speaker 2: headshots all that in the music school at Belmont. And
Speaker 2: then he was like, I've seen your eye. A good
Speaker 2: eye is a good eye. Like, i'll teach you how
Speaker 2: to film. You already have the other part. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: thanks bro, thank you. So he flew me and I
Speaker 2: was like, where are we going? He was like, do
Speaker 2: you know who Noah Jones is? And I was like, yes,
Speaker 2: I come away with we had come out, Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: So she's already she's already a superstar. Yeah, and he
Speaker 2: has a five thousand dollars budget for a video. I
Speaker 2: don't know a lot to tell that. How does this happen? Well,
Speaker 2: they didn't like the first video that they that was
Speaker 2: made that used the budget, so then they're just like
Speaker 2: they're like, Okay, let's redo it and make it work. Like,
Speaker 2: let's go with that other guy that we didn't pick
Speaker 2: his treatment and give him the tiniest budget in the world.
Speaker 2: And so we filmed it all in her apartment okay,
Speaker 2: and all these different other places too, but yeah, just
Speaker 2: around New York. Just shot b Roll and he did
Speaker 2: some stuff out in LA So he was like I
Speaker 2: want He's like, I have enough on my reel. I'm
Speaker 2: putting you as DP of this director of photography, so
Speaker 2: like the cinematographer. And I was like that, excuse big job. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like I didn't even know how to do that. Photography
Speaker 2: found you. Yeah, it did. Honestly, I wasn't like I'm
Speaker 2: going to be a cinematographer. So I'd already done it
Speaker 2: with Nora Jones, with Door Jones. That's a good start.
Speaker 2: So then I came back and I did other music
Speaker 2: videos in Nashville, like low budget did that give you
Speaker 2: a good confidence boost? Yeah? I guess it gave me.
Speaker 2: It let me raise my rates and make a living.
Speaker 2: But like that's the girl that did the Nora Jones video.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, yeah, guys, I'm a professional for sure.
Speaker 2: So then when every label said no to him, I
Speaker 2: was like, we can do this, Like, we can do
Speaker 2: this ourselves. And how did you come up with the idea?
Speaker 2: Because it's literally Russell walking down a road and then
Speaker 2: it starts raining.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's random, but totally worked out, yes, because that
Speaker 1: wasn't planned right, No, No, So we were just going
Speaker 1: to shoot test footage and a storm was like rolling
Speaker 1: in because I wanted to be sure.
Speaker 2: I wanted to slow it down and speed up the
Speaker 2: music because it asked whatever, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: want to be sure that I know that I can
Speaker 2: do this. So we went out there and as we're coming,
Speaker 2: this storm is just rolling in and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: we need we need to get somewhere quick quick wick
Speaker 2: Like we hadn't even done location scouting. We're outside of
Speaker 2: the prison in that in West Nashville kind of awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's fire or tornado sirens going off and we couldn't
Speaker 2: hear them. But now, looking back, I think that's why
Speaker 2: we didn't get stopped. Oh, because everyone was undercover. We
Speaker 2: were only there for like an hour and a half.
Speaker 2: He just walked down this road. Cars would come and
Speaker 2: we'd have to like redo it, and I'd be like, hurry, hurry, hurry.
Speaker 2: The rain's coming. So we were driving and I was
Speaker 2: again I was like, God, it'd be nice if I
Speaker 2: got all of my shots that I need before the
Speaker 2: rain comes, and then once I'm done, I needed to downpour.
Speaker 2: And because I had to get some shots of that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what happened. Yeah, And we went back out there
Speaker 2: to shoot his EP and meanwhile we're leaving and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'd called my cinematographer friend in LA. He's like, I
Speaker 2: mean did stuff with like Gray's Anatomy, Like he's insane.
Speaker 2: And he didn't get back to me because I was like,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to be sure I was doing the
Speaker 2: shutter ray everything right. And he calls me after we're
Speaker 2: done and I was like, please tell me that this
Speaker 2: was right. He goes, That's exactly what I would have
Speaker 2: told you to do. I was like, thank God, because
Speaker 2: I was like I got all this lightning and I
Speaker 2: was like, I can't recreate this if this happened, like
Speaker 2: I needed this tork right And it did.
Speaker 1: And that was kind of your first real video to
Speaker 1: direct all by yourself.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, very first.
Speaker 1: And it goes to number one on CMT and you
Speaker 1: get nominated for a CMT Music Video of the Year award.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what is that? Yeah? It was crazy.
Speaker 2: In my first video, I edited the whole thing like
Speaker 2: it was all in all in house, right? Is that
Speaker 2: Allerson house? So you and Russell are kind of like y'all.
Speaker 2: That's what's so cool about y'all. Y'all are so self
Speaker 2: made as a team too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's obviously the artist with the music, but
Speaker 1: you are visually creating.
Speaker 2: When he shows me songs and new demos like I
Speaker 2: see the video and Blue Takomo was one of my
Speaker 2: favorite that made you just feel like that, like the
Speaker 2: drone looks and everything you're on a piece. I was like,
Speaker 2: I just want everyone to feel like they're there, like
Speaker 2: they took this road triple with us. I don't want
Speaker 2: other people in it. I wanted to feel like we're
Speaker 2: in our own world, and I feel like we did
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: So I brought that brother in to direct with me
Speaker 1: on this one because I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: how to do all the permits and stuff.
Speaker 2: You're kidding me. It's like a road trip. There was
Speaker 2: so many places we needed permits and all the legal
Speaker 2: stuff really sucks to joy on creativity, right, And he
Speaker 2: had he had done a Mercedes commercial and so he
Speaker 2: used those same Drone guys on this, so he had
Speaker 2: all the connections of who he wanted. So it was
Speaker 2: it was pretty great. Yeah, and that one also made
Speaker 2: it number one on Safty. I mean, it's crazy. So
Speaker 2: you guys, Okay, Okay, this is what I.
Speaker 1: Love about you guys too, because I feel like for
Speaker 1: eight years or so, y'all were praying for success, right or.
Speaker 2: How long was it? Gosh, well, really since we got married,
Speaker 2: which was five and a half years ago. But he's
Speaker 2: been at this since we graduated. He signed his first
Speaker 2: publishing deal in two thousand. When did we graduate college?
Speaker 2: Twenty eleven? Okay, so he's been at this for eight years.
Speaker 1: So eight years of waiting, of believing, of preparing, planning seeds.
Speaker 2: I just talked into my coffee on that way, Hey,
Speaker 2: I like it yeah, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: all this hard work just like overflows and pays off.
Speaker 2: And was it like one year that it all happened? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And when was the year? Was it two thousand? Fears
Speaker 2: went number one? Like a week ago? Last year? This
Speaker 2: last to like a year ago? So year a week
Speaker 2: ago eighteen was y'all's year. Yeah, that was everything was
Speaker 2: like we got our first bus. We're not driving a
Speaker 2: van anymore, Praise God. First bus two number one, like
Speaker 2: a CMT nom he was nominated for ACMs Wild and
Speaker 2: iHeart New Artists. That's yeah. Has that happened yet? No?
Speaker 2: Not yet.
Speaker 1: I mean I know on awesome tours towards Lady Ance
Speaker 1: Malcom or somewhere else. We were friends so spoiled with tours, Like,
Speaker 1: how is that because Charles and Cassie of Lady A Yes,
Speaker 1: my my people, how is that touring with some of
Speaker 1: your besties? We've only toured with our besties, okay, so,
Speaker 1: which we didn't know is like rare so Thomas, Rhett Thomas, Rhete,
Speaker 1: Florida Georgia Line and Lady Antebella.
Speaker 2: That's truly our best friends in the industry. Partially so
Speaker 2: tr threw us a bone, like he was like, this
Speaker 2: guy's gonna be someone. Just trust me because he asked
Speaker 2: him on tour. Oh gosh, when was that? It was
Speaker 2: not this last year, the year before that before Yours
Speaker 2: wasn't even on the radio. We didn't even ever read.
Speaker 2: He just gave him a shot. Yeah, and he had
Speaker 2: seen the video. We showed it to them and him
Speaker 2: and Tyler. We showed Tyler and Hayley, Tyler Hubbard and yes,
Speaker 2: and Tyler was like, you guys got to show tr
Speaker 2: the video, like you got to show him, and so
Speaker 2: we showed him, and tr never heard Russ sing and
Speaker 2: was like, dude, but we all were friends with them.
Speaker 2: You never heard him sing yet. No, this was like
Speaker 2: this was right when we shot the video as Tyler
Speaker 2: Hubbard's wedding. That's how long ago this was, Okay, So
Speaker 2: that was I think a year after we got married.
Speaker 2: So this is like four or five.
Speaker 1: Years ago, okay, because he released Yours four years before
Speaker 1: it went number one, and he released it with the
Speaker 1: video That's bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been around, that's a life. Yeah, so that
Speaker 2: far back and tr saw it and then shortly after
Speaker 2: he saw his like streams were climbing and then asked
Speaker 2: him on tour and he told me.
Speaker 1: First we were playing darts after freaking see him tea
Speaker 1: something at some Barred Green Hills. He's like, can I
Speaker 1: tell you something?
Speaker 2: It was like what He's like, I'm gonna ask Russ
Speaker 2: on tour and I was like, like freaking out and
Speaker 2: he was like, you can't tell him though, I was like, well,
Speaker 2: why'd you tell me? I was like, this is the
Speaker 2: meanest thing you've ever done to me, But I said
Speaker 2: I was like, I was supposed to keep this a secret.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, no, no, absolutely not, Like I
Speaker 2: don't keep secrets from him one two, I don't keep
Speaker 2: really great things from him, Like what did you do?
Speaker 2: I made him tell him by the end of the night, Okay,
Speaker 2: I was like, tiar has something he'd like to tell you.
Speaker 2: Russell was so great. We were aut with Ryan Hurd
Speaker 2: and Kelsey Ballerini and tr Oh my god, it was
Speaker 2: just like a It was so it was like so young.
Speaker 1: First of all, everyone was under thirty I'm pretty sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: and just a blast patrick touring life.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then we went out with Fgo and then
Speaker 2: did some more shows with Thomas Rhett and then lady A,
Speaker 2: so tell me what you have gathered from being on tour.
Speaker 2: What is tour life like for you?
Speaker 1: And what have you learned from being on tour with
Speaker 1: all of these people who are your besties and friends
Speaker 1: and then also you know colleagues.
Speaker 2: It's more of a family than you would imagine, and
Speaker 2: especially now because Tier and Lauren have two children and
Speaker 2: you were a big party you went to Africa. Yeah, Lauren, Yeah,
Speaker 2: when she was getting wille Gray, yep, I documented that
Speaker 2: whole process for her and just so they would have it.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they'll do or but a lot
Speaker 2: of people wanted to document it, and she was like,
Speaker 2: it's way too personal. She was like I need you there,
Speaker 2: and she told me on a Thursday or Wednesday, and
Speaker 2: we were leaving the next Wednesday. She was like will
Speaker 2: you come? And I was like, uh sure, and I go.
Speaker 2: I go to get my shots and Vanderblt wouldn't give
Speaker 2: them to me. They're like, you need these ten days out.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I didn't know it's going to
Speaker 2: Africa until like now, so I don't know what you
Speaker 2: want me to do seven days. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 2: I need a Yellow card and they're like, we won't
Speaker 2: do it, and I was like, what the heck's So
Speaker 2: they gave me a whole list of places and I
Speaker 2: don't anything. I was like, god, I need you to
Speaker 2: tell me what I want to call like. I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't have time for this, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: this one I just like that one. Just it just
Speaker 2: was like a feeling. And I call and they're like, sorry,
Speaker 2: we're not doing this today. We're something and she was like,
Speaker 2: let me take your name and I'll call you tomorrow.
Speaker 2: And so like Kaylee Dickerson and she goes, wait a second,
Speaker 2: what's your husband's name? Are you serious? Yeah? And I
Speaker 2: was like Russell. She goes, can I call you right back?
Speaker 2: And I was like sure. So she calls me back
Speaker 2: and she was like, Okay, you can come in today anytime.
Speaker 2: Are they super fan? Yeah? I guess. I was like
Speaker 2: excuse me what and she goes, I took care of it,
Speaker 2: so fan like, I'll get you in, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: And I was like thank you. So I got it.
Speaker 2: And then that day we flew to Thomas Rhet's birthday
Speaker 2: in Vegas. It was ACM's and Lauren was like she
Speaker 2: mind you. They were like, this could make you sick.
Speaker 2: It's the yellow fever shot or something you can make
Speaker 2: you feel like you have that's what she was also
Speaker 2: super pregnant. Yes, this is also when she was pregnant. Yes,
Speaker 2: and they thought they couldn't have kids. So that's a
Speaker 2: miracle in itself. Yeah, oh it's amazing. So they're like,
Speaker 2: it could make you sick. And she leaves the room
Speaker 2: and I was like, not in Jesus name, I'm not
Speaker 2: getting sick. I was like, you can't get sick. No.
Speaker 2: So I go to Vegas and I was like, Lauren,
Speaker 2: I got my shot. Everything's cool, and she was like,
Speaker 2: how do you feel? I was like fine. She was like,
Speaker 2: this is the the shot Tyler got that made him
Speaker 2: miss an award show that Tom's Raight had to sub
Speaker 2: for him because he actually like had the flu from it.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I'm great. It doesn't make
Speaker 2: everyone sick like Cassie Kelly just got it. I was like,
Speaker 2: how you feel. She's like great, But because she's in
Speaker 2: Africa right now, right or on her way? Yeah, do y'
Speaker 2: all go to the same place. I know Lauren is
Speaker 2: taking a trip to just kind of bring people into
Speaker 2: what they're doing with Love One and show them how
Speaker 2: they're changing all these kids' lives. And it's incredible what
Speaker 2: they're doing. And so I've been there, I've seen it.
Speaker 2: I tried to go this year. I wanted to go,
Speaker 2: but it was overlapping the tour. And it's his first
Speaker 2: headlining tour, which is also amazing.
Speaker 1: It's co headlining with Carly, our girl Carly Pears, and
Speaker 1: they both have a rustled to be soon hit yea
Speaker 1: every little thing, which is saronic that they both have,
Speaker 1: like a huge They thought about calling the tour that
Speaker 1: they went back and forth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe do a mashup. I don't know, but it's
Speaker 2: it's a quick little tour. It's only four weeks.
Speaker 1: Has that been as a headlining insane because it's going
Speaker 1: from all these tours of your friend's collies all that, like, oh, he.
Speaker 2: Has dreamt of this for so long and in his
Speaker 2: mind like he designed the lights, like he he had
Speaker 2: it all up here and just was like, go talk
Speaker 2: to me about how it's going. What's the response been?
Speaker 2: It is insane? Like he'll finish blue to coma. I
Speaker 2: cried first of all the first night because they were
Speaker 2: singing every little thing so loud, so loud, and I
Speaker 2: was like, this isn't even like top forty, I don't think.
Speaker 2: I was like, what is going on? And I just,
Speaker 2: I mean I looked around. I was like, I'm not
Speaker 2: the only one here, because there's plenty of shows. I
Speaker 2: was really the only one. Thing like, and I would
Speaker 2: just stand up there once. I remember specifically in Georgia
Speaker 2: and my brother was there and the boys had set
Speaker 2: everything up sound checked, and then no one cared, like
Speaker 2: no one. It was a pool haul and it was
Speaker 2: just me, my brother and sister in law and we.
Speaker 1: Just stood up there like dance like crazy people because
Speaker 1: we're like we're sorry.
Speaker 2: No one else is here, you know. And so I
Speaker 2: looked out and there was like over two thousand people. Wow,
Speaker 2: And I was like just I mean, just to come
Speaker 2: from nothing to that, just the feeling that you have
Speaker 2: to feel. I'm so grateful. Hard work, yeah, leave, the persistence,
Speaker 2: the faith. It makes you grateful. You're not you don't
Speaker 2: resent it. You're not like, oh, we're going. There are
Speaker 2: plenty of people who are like, oh, we have to
Speaker 2: go to this station, Da da da, and we are
Speaker 2: like we get to go like, you know how long
Speaker 2: we prayed to have a conversation on radio, Like are
Speaker 2: you kidding me? So? I think the grind and the
Speaker 2: hustle is lends itself to so much more gratitude than
Speaker 2: anything else can. Absolutely, it's not nothing against anyone who
Speaker 2: was given to you, but like it's just not going
Speaker 2: to lend itself to being really grateful because it is.
Speaker 2: It takes a lot out of you. It is it.
Speaker 2: It is brutal, and you have to like love this
Speaker 2: with your entire heart. You can't half love it. You can't.
Speaker 2: You'll just get you won't make it, and maybe you do,
Speaker 2: and then you resent it and then it's just that's
Speaker 2: not a way to live. I interviewed Jesse Alexander a
Speaker 2: while ago. She's a huge songwriter and awesome and I
Speaker 2: love her. I love her so much.
Speaker 1: And we were talking about just the grind and you know,
Speaker 1: being in the music industry, and she was like, everybody
Speaker 1: will get humbled at some point, you know, And so
Speaker 1: it's just like some people come in and they're huge
Speaker 1: and it's like instant, but like everybody is going to
Speaker 1: get humbled because you just it's a part of it's
Speaker 1: a part of life.
Speaker 2: It's a part of the journey.
Speaker 1: And so like you're saying, to have had all those
Speaker 1: years of grinding to know what it feels like to
Speaker 1: have no one at the shows, to you know, to
Speaker 1: still have your faith for it, it makes it so
Speaker 1: sweet and.
Speaker 2: You will always just have this appreciation to be there.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Yes, yes and amen. We said that
Speaker 2: the other day of how Oh. Someone was just talking
Speaker 2: about like artists comparing themselves to each other and feeling
Speaker 2: like there's enough room at the table, right, And I
Speaker 2: was like, we learned that lesson in a very quiet
Speaker 2: place because Rust actually turned down the deal FGL took
Speaker 2: and we watched them blow up in front of our faces,
Speaker 2: and at first we were like, dang it, did we
Speaker 2: make a mistake? But that was never our deal and
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have worked for him because we didn't have cruise.
Speaker 2: They had cruise. Like just as simple as that is
Speaker 2: that the XM radio deal, No, it was. They're like
Speaker 2: publishing kind of label dealers at the time, and still
Speaker 2: they still are with it's big loud. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 2: Russ had turned it down and we were like, ooh,
Speaker 2: did we make a mistake Because nothing's happening for us,
Speaker 2: and like we learned that was theirs and there's no comparison,
Speaker 2: there's no you cannot be like we chose to celebrate
Speaker 2: them and cheer them on, and I feel like that
Speaker 2: is such a pivotal and I think that's why he
Speaker 2: has what he has, in my opinion, because he will
Speaker 2: champion everyone around him. He's not mad when someone gets
Speaker 2: something he wants that. He's been through that and we
Speaker 2: we just did that in a quiet place. We went
Speaker 2: through it so that now we're not ruining relationships because
Speaker 2: there are some people who like kind of you know,
Speaker 2: they're just not as welcoming or they think that they
Speaker 2: have to upstage or whatever, and we're like, there's room
Speaker 2: at the table.
Speaker 1: I love what you're saying because like in a different way,
Speaker 1: like I'm kind of a career wise, and then also
Speaker 1: like I've on a big pregnancy journey and like we
Speaker 1: miscarriage and like we tried for a long time to
Speaker 1: get pregnant and it didn't happen. And it's just like
Speaker 1: I chose from the beginning that I was always going
Speaker 1: to be happy to support my friends who were having
Speaker 1: success and babies because exactly like you're saying, it is
Speaker 1: so easy to want to feel sorry for yourself, to
Speaker 1: get upset, to be angry at the situation. And same
Speaker 1: with like music career, Like something can go so great
Speaker 1: for you and then fall apart, and and it's like,
Speaker 1: if you're going to let your you can feel sad
Speaker 1: and upset for yourself, But to not be able to
Speaker 1: celebrate other people, I.
Speaker 2: Feel like it's such a.
Speaker 1: You're missing out, You really miss out on joys of
Speaker 1: life because yours will come, you know, totally, it will come.
Speaker 2: It might only come if you choose to celebrate other people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it only come that way.
Speaker 1: And just like when you see people who like it
Speaker 1: can be hard sometimes because you can be in a
Speaker 1: really hard season of life and everyone else can be
Speaker 1: totally flourishing around you. But still it's like you have
Speaker 1: to have that faith that what's for you will be
Speaker 1: for you and celebrate other people.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that you said that because that is something.
Speaker 1: I have just been noticing and thinking about all the time,
Speaker 1: because when you are in a hard season, you want
Speaker 1: to feel sad sometimes, but you're like, no, this.
Speaker 2: Is bigger than me, and totally someone else getting something
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you won't exactly why is that? I don't everyone, Well,
Speaker 2: that's part of the problem with thinking like there's not enough,
Speaker 2: right that God is He's infinite, Yeah, literally infinite. So
Speaker 2: what he has him giving one thing to something.
Speaker 1: He's not out of it now yet he's not running
Speaker 1: sure stockhold is not depleting like it's He is infinite,
Speaker 1: like it never ends, like it's all good.
Speaker 2: You know. And I think you have to realize that
Speaker 2: and believe it in order to celebrate other people. I
Speaker 2: agree the secret to life celebrating other people a then
Speaker 2: to that, I think it is I love that.
Speaker 1: So how do you Okay, So when y'all were in
Speaker 1: a period where it wasn't going however you turned down
Speaker 1: an opportunity, how did you deal with it privately?
Speaker 2: And how did you Was that a decision that you
Speaker 2: made or was it just like how did you work
Speaker 2: through that? I think we kind of ran towards it
Speaker 2: instead of like backing away from our friendships. We ran
Speaker 2: straight to the heart of it and we got nothing
Speaker 2: but closer with Tyler and Haley, and I mean we
Speaker 2: would go to their beautiful home and then come back
Speaker 2: to our little duplex that we were renting, you know,
Speaker 2: and there were plenty of opportunities to be jealous or
Speaker 2: you know, want what your neighbor has, but we're like, no,
Speaker 2: we're going to love the crap out of them and
Speaker 2: we're just gonna be best friend. And it changed our front.
Speaker 2: There are some of our sweetest dearest, they're some of
Speaker 2: the greatest people on the planet on the planet, Like,
Speaker 2: they're just wonderful people. And if we would have let
Speaker 2: that come between us and resentment or whatever, which I'm
Speaker 2: sure he doesn't even if he heard this, he'd be like,
Speaker 2: what that was hard for you guys? We've never even
Speaker 2: talked about it, Yeah, because it truly we we just
Speaker 2: ran towards it. Yeah, instead of being shying away. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like we're gonna love them, We're just gonna love them.
Speaker 1: I really admire that, I really do, kay, because that
Speaker 1: is such an incredible trait to have, and it shows
Speaker 1: how much faith you have and how loving you are
Speaker 1: as a human, because that that's one of the hardest things.
Speaker 1: I mean, what is it Like it's it's just one
Speaker 1: of the seven deadly sins or whatever, and it's like
Speaker 1: it happens.
Speaker 2: To everyone, especially in this industry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why navigating it in the way that you
Speaker 1: guys have chosen to navigate it with faith, with love,
Speaker 1: with you know, just working on your self and your
Speaker 1: art and celebrating everyone else like that is really inspiring.
Speaker 2: Oh thanks. It really is not always been easy, but
Speaker 2: it's it's worth it. It is so worth it. And
Speaker 2: then look at your joyful life, you know, just trying
Speaker 2: to be like unicorns and rainbows over here.
Speaker 1: He makes it pretty easy. Talk to me about Europe
Speaker 1: because y'all on a big Europe trip. Yes, we went
Speaker 1: to Magical speaking of and you said that you were
Speaker 1: thinking Paris might let you down, but it didn't.
Speaker 2: Yes, it did not. I thought it was going to
Speaker 2: be hyped because you have this like imagination and this
Speaker 2: like picture. I was like, Oh, it's going to be
Speaker 2: so romantic and it's going to be this and that. Granted,
Speaker 2: I've come to learn weather determines if I like a city. Okay,
Speaker 2: so like we went to Amsterdam on this same trip,
Speaker 2: but it was rainy and it was cold and I
Speaker 2: was getting kind of sick and I need to go
Speaker 2: back because, yeah, I didn't love it because of that,
Speaker 2: weren't feeling great now it was someone we know. When
Speaker 2: they were in Paris it was like that, so they
Speaker 2: didn't love it. When we were there, it was like
Speaker 2: seventy every day and sunny, like high of seventy, so
Speaker 2: it was like fall, like early fall, and it was incredible.
Speaker 2: It was incredible. Did you eat? Did you eat incredible?
Speaker 2: What did you have? Pasta every day? Yes? Like everything?
Speaker 2: Cruticize yeah, mac macrools. I don't even know, but we
Speaker 2: don't speak French.
Speaker 1: So the secret, I will say, The secret is trying,
Speaker 1: because you know, have a like French people are so rude,
Speaker 1: they hate us, baba, So we would walk around and
Speaker 1: be like do they hate us, do they love us?
Speaker 2: Do they hate us? And if you try to communicate
Speaker 2: in French, they will be more welcoming to you. That's
Speaker 2: what we learned. So how would you speak to them?
Speaker 2: Probably English? We'd be like do you speak English in French?
Speaker 2: And then they would be like yes, and then they're
Speaker 2: more likely to be kind to you, because it's like
Speaker 2: if you walking in and being like, hey, can I
Speaker 2: get assuming they speak English? Some Americans. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that's why, because we just assume they know our language.
Speaker 2: Like what if someone was French walked up to you
Speaker 2: and just started. You'd be like, excuse me, Like do
Speaker 2: I look French? Like I'm not French? Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 2: the food was crazy. We did per Cassie Kelly's recommendation.
Speaker 2: She has like everywhere. You just text her and you're like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going here. She sends you an entire note of
Speaker 2: every location, every restaurant, keep notes on everything. Yes, every city.
Speaker 2: She's incredible goals. I call her the first Lady of
Speaker 2: con Yes, she's so fashionable. She like knows how. She
Speaker 2: like accidentally flips houses, like she goes in and makes
Speaker 2: them so fabulous that people come over and they're like,
Speaker 2: I'm buying your house and then she has to do
Speaker 2: it all over again. And her style is just impeccable,
Speaker 2: perfect every time. That's just who she is. It just
Speaker 2: oozes out of it is I know, and she just
Speaker 2: loves lady fabulous. But she knows and she calls everything fabulous,
Speaker 2: which is my favorite.
Speaker 1: I like it never used that word until I was
Speaker 1: r on Cassie and I'll be like, it's fabulous because
Speaker 1: that's what she does.
Speaker 2: She's just the best. But she has entire lists of
Speaker 2: every city. I started putting them in Yelp. So I'm
Speaker 2: like trying to find a way. I don't know. There's
Speaker 2: probably a better way to do this, so comment if
Speaker 2: you know one. But I want to start having like
Speaker 2: booklets or whatever lists in yelp Okay to share I love.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a thing, but I started
Speaker 2: putting hers in there and like the ones we liked,
Speaker 2: and started writing reviews and trying to have different cities
Speaker 2: that I could be like, hey, go because then when
Speaker 2: you're going to Paris, I don't know if you can
Speaker 2: do this, but you could go to my profile, right
Speaker 2: your Yelp profile, and then see what I've saved, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then be like, oh, that one's kind of close
Speaker 2: to us because with her list, I have to yelp
Speaker 2: everyone to know where it is, okay and find it,
Speaker 2: And so I've started like putting them into it. She'll
Speaker 2: take her list verbatim. We went to at least three
Speaker 2: of the places she recommended, and they're all just fabulous,
Speaker 2: as she would say, yeah, one of them. We spent
Speaker 2: the most money we've ever spent on a meal, truly. Truly.
Speaker 2: It was right after Blue to Coomo went number one.
Speaker 2: Gotta celebrate. Oh yeah, so we hadn't done like a
Speaker 2: big celebration dinner. So we did this eight core stop something.
Speaker 2: What'd you eat? Everything was soft. It's a funny thing
Speaker 2: about the French. I'm like, do they not have teeth?
Speaker 2: Like everything is soft, It's like moose grus like everything. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, if I'm gonna do these things, you're
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna do them here so that I know
Speaker 1: it's good for I like them or don't. That's good
Speaker 1: because an.
Speaker 2: American version, who knows, they could be totally messing. I
Speaker 2: shouldn't have said that. I should be more open minded. Well,
Speaker 2: everything like they had s cargo and every little every
Speaker 2: teeny tiny portion was it all. It was like a
Speaker 2: little quail wing. It was like this big and it
Speaker 2: was like the meat was like that, and you just
Speaker 2: it was cute. Yeah, and then all these desserts and
Speaker 2: wine pairings. It was crazy. It was crazy some of it.
Speaker 1: Some of it.
Speaker 2: I was like, I could use a little crunch, But
Speaker 2: that's what like crazy, all these teeny tiny mooses soups,
Speaker 2: And that's why everyone's so teeny tiny in France. You think,
Speaker 2: are they I don't know, I don't know. That they aren't.
Speaker 2: I just I don't think I noticed everything made fatty.
Speaker 2: Everything was fatty. It's like real food. I don't feel
Speaker 2: like it's so much processed. True. And we had an
Speaker 2: Italian meal there that they wheeled out a whole thing
Speaker 2: of parmesan and they like scraped it and lit it
Speaker 2: on fire and like tossed my pasta in it. Did
Speaker 2: you die? Oh? It was one of the best, and you, like,
Speaker 2: I feel that hour was like just behind Russell's head.
Speaker 2: We were in this little alley. What is life right now?
Speaker 2: Honestly I would go back anytime. It was the last
Speaker 2: place I wanted to go before we start talking about
Speaker 2: having kids, because I was like, I want to go
Speaker 2: to Paris. So we're talking about having kids, we're talking
Speaker 2: about it, Okay, we're talking about Hey, I like the
Speaker 2: kid combo. Oh yeah, we're working on it. Well, we're
Speaker 2: always working on it. But we've been married five years
Speaker 2: and that was my like I want five years of
Speaker 2: just us. Yeah. I love that because I wanted to
Speaker 2: know just if if anything comes whatever, like I know
Speaker 2: what us is so strong intrinsically is that the right word.
Speaker 2: I don't know, just such a foundation that I know
Speaker 2: who we are, that you can feel if it changes.
Speaker 2: I totally get that. I've been together now ten years.
Speaker 1: Yes, we had a two year break in between, but
Speaker 1: like two years two years, I don't think I knew that.
Speaker 1: I knew that we had a nice little break in between.
Speaker 1: That's like not even a break, that's like a breakup.
Speaker 1: That is a breakup.
Speaker 2: We were on a break. We broke up. I moved
Speaker 2: cities and states and like, I didn't know if we're
Speaker 2: going to get back together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, weren't even tech or something. Yeah, then yeah, moved
Speaker 1: to Austin and uh. But I feel like that same way.
Speaker 1: We have been through so much like I've been with
Speaker 1: him since he was twenty one years old.
Speaker 2: I was twenty four. I'm older and we were the
Speaker 2: flip Okay, so I was twenty one, Russ was twenty three.
Speaker 2: I think, Okay, when we started dating, I personally for
Speaker 2: me and every story is different.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad to have gone through all of this
Speaker 1: lies and developing together same even though it has been
Speaker 1: like the brokest y'all have been in a lot of
Speaker 1: the wilds same but also most exciting phases you could
Speaker 1: ever be in. Because I'm like, okay, we have survived
Speaker 1: so much, like we have lived through all these things
Speaker 1: that I know now when we bring a child into
Speaker 1: this world, like you are saying, I know who we
Speaker 1: are through and through, Like there's there's nothing you could
Speaker 1: tell me about Michael, nothing, nothing that could shock me.
Speaker 2: Same, you know, we're so I know him better probably
Speaker 2: than I even know.
Speaker 1: Myself, honestly, because I've around him and he needs me
Speaker 1: better than I know myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like we know how to fight with each other now,
Speaker 1: like learning all that fighting nice. You gotta fight nice,
Speaker 1: gotta fight.
Speaker 2: Nice, because in the beginning we weren't perfect at fighting
Speaker 2: me I wasn't. It's a learned Fighting is a learned skill. Okay,
Speaker 2: So how did you guys learn how to fight? How
Speaker 2: do y'all fighting? We It is a learned skill. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it really is. And involve respect, plea do not. I
Speaker 2: think he was so afraid of commitment, which shocks a
Speaker 2: lot of people, because thank god, I'm yours right, But
Speaker 2: he was so afraid of commitment that I had to
Speaker 2: learn how to fight with him really gracefully, okay, and
Speaker 2: really more so just disagreeing, and we couldn't have big
Speaker 2: fights because that would freak him out. Okay, so I
Speaker 2: kind of learned, probably a bad trait, to like stuff
Speaker 2: it and find a way to I would sleep on it,
Speaker 2: and I would find a way to say it kindly
Speaker 2: in the morning or like, but take I'm really stuffing
Speaker 2: it for a long time. No, no, no, I couldn't
Speaker 2: stuff it for too long. But take ownership, like really
Speaker 2: zoom out of the situation because I wasn't as emotional
Speaker 2: the next day. It's actually very wise. Yeah, well I
Speaker 2: had to o wise I would it wouldn't work. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and be like, all right, this is what I've done
Speaker 2: wrong and I know that, and this is what you did,
Speaker 2: and that really hurt my feelings. Anything we disagree or whatever,
Speaker 2: it's usually he hurt my feelings, Okay, we don't. I
Speaker 2: don't ever really get mad at him. I got mad
Speaker 2: at him one time, specifically recently. So probably more times
Speaker 2: that I've just forgotten, but this one time kind of recently. Yes,
Speaker 2: I came home, I'd asked him to do the laundry,
Speaker 2: put away the laundry because he wanted to go work
Speaker 2: out and I love working out. I'm choosing my my
Speaker 2: I'm speaking life over this, I actually hate it, okay,
Speaker 2: but I'm choosing to start saying I love working out
Speaker 2: because I'm hoping I get there, So you love I
Speaker 2: love working out. It's my favorite. If he could hear
Speaker 2: this right now, he'd be dying because he's like always
Speaker 2: convincing me. He's like, I'll make you coffee if we
Speaker 2: go work out. So in this scenario, he wanted to
Speaker 2: work out and I was like, sure, but I need
Speaker 2: you to do this because I don't have enough time
Speaker 2: in the day to do this and get ready for
Speaker 2: a bus call and I have a birthday party tonight.
Speaker 2: So while I'm at the birthday party, I am I
Speaker 2: need you to do this laundry. And it was just
Speaker 2: putting things on hangers and I prime now more hangers
Speaker 2: because we were running low, gave him all of the tools.
Speaker 2: It's already all right, stage was set. I come home,
Speaker 2: The hangers are in the prime now bags by the door.
Speaker 2: All the clothes are still out here, and he was
Speaker 2: playing video games in the basement. I'm telling you, I
Speaker 2: think that's I think that's guys. I lost my ever
Speaker 2: loving mind, Like did you kind of blow up? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is this the anything? No? Okay, well, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess I was just so so angry because I was like,
Speaker 2: I do everything for us. Oh, like, I asked you
Speaker 2: for help once, which is if you do any nyagram,
Speaker 2: what are you? I am a three three two two
Speaker 2: three chiever helper, yes, So like this was my two
Speaker 2: wing freaking out because because now you're two wings in
Speaker 2: a prime house, right, So like I always help him,
Speaker 2: always have helped him. But that's what you love, right,
Speaker 2: I love it. But I asked for help, and he
Speaker 2: is a seven. That's what Michael is. As the day
Speaker 2: is long, Michael's straight seven best day of his life
Speaker 2: every day wakes up, has enough energy to do everything.
Speaker 2: I feel like seven are the happiest people. They're really
Speaker 2: happy people. I know Michael's a seven too, and I'm
Speaker 2: just like, thank god you could be. No, I'm a four.
Speaker 2: I am an emotional what I bet you have a
Speaker 2: strong three ring wing though, yes, you're an achiever, but
Speaker 2: that is achieving.
Speaker 1: I am a four, A four four four. I just
Speaker 1: live in my emotions and thank god I'm married to seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: else I would just be at the bottom of three seven.
Speaker 1: I'm sure four seven. It is like it's like the
Speaker 1: perfect tip oh. I like that, like in achieving, because
Speaker 1: I have the achiever and he has the dreamer. And
Speaker 1: so I'm like, let's do this.
Speaker 2: We're unstoppable, let's go okay, and he has the energy
Speaker 2: that keeps me going. Yes, this whole thing. Ok So, anyway,
Speaker 2: my two wing, you're too. So when when they're in stress,
Speaker 2: they go to eight. So I like, I blew up,
Speaker 2: like I didn't like him, actually blow up, but I
Speaker 2: just started cleaning and being loud, and he's like, I
Speaker 2: got it. I was like, clearly you don't like I was.
Speaker 2: I was so bad. And he never plays video games.
Speaker 2: You're like of all the days, like you never, He's
Speaker 2: not that guy because I when he wanted to get
Speaker 2: an Xbox I was like gross, Like I think guys
Speaker 2: who like are obsessed with video games. It's so unattractive
Speaker 2: to huh. And I was like, do you really want
Speaker 2: to be unattractive to me? Like that's how I pitched it.
Speaker 2: And he was like, but for him, I'm actually glad
Speaker 2: he has it because he never plays it, and if
Speaker 2: he does, it's because he's actually so exhausted that he
Speaker 2: needs something to shut his mind off. Loys will keep
Speaker 2: dreaming and keep brainstorming. And he never he never.
Speaker 1: Sits and stops. Yeah, and so it makes him sit
Speaker 1: and stop. So he really never does that ever.
Speaker 2: And so like I was like, of all the days,
Speaker 2: I was so so that one end we went to
Speaker 2: bed angry. Which did he defend his video games? Oh no, no,
Speaker 2: he knew, he knew he was definitely wrong. Yeah. Well
Speaker 2: at one point he didn't like jump up and start
Speaker 2: hanging things up. Oh yeah, he rose to the occasion,
Speaker 2: and I was like, no, forget it, I've got late,
Speaker 2: too late.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I go to sleep mad, which I said
Speaker 1: this recently on another podcast that I I think that's
Speaker 1: one of the things in the Bible that I'm like,
Speaker 1: I disagree with you because it says like, don't let
Speaker 1: the sun go down on your anger.
Speaker 2: But mind you, this one was already down first of all,
Speaker 2: and I just have a clear head in the morning. Well,
Speaker 2: it's better not to fight when you're enrage. Oh you know.
Speaker 1: I have learned that about myself because like I get
Speaker 1: activated kind of easily. I've worked on it a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of therapy, a lot of like self realization
Speaker 1: that like anger is never a good thing. So if
Speaker 1: I feel angry and hot. That is not the time
Speaker 1: to talk about something. No, it is definitely not the time.
Speaker 2: No. And what is it. It's like there's an acronym.
Speaker 2: It's like, not when you're hungry, tired, halt halt, hungry, angry, alone, tired, angry,
Speaker 2: lonely tired. Yeah, and I was tired. I was exhausted.
Speaker 2: It was like the week of every Christmas party, every everything.
Speaker 2: We had just come off the road. We'd hosted two
Speaker 2: huge things at our house and I was like, I
Speaker 2: am done. I have nothing left. And that's when I
Speaker 2: was like, I asked for help once, which I asked
Speaker 2: for help all the time. I was just so dramatic.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you go, I was like, you're not allowed to
Speaker 2: not help me.
Speaker 4: I help you always like speaking totally crazy and it happens,
Speaker 4: so oh yeah, you know it does sometimes you It's
Speaker 4: like in the I did that a bunch in this podcast.
Speaker 2: Sorry, hey, I hack all the time. I'm just sipping
Speaker 2: my coffee. But I think that is one of the
Speaker 2: great things about marriage is learning each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, learning your breaking points, learning how to navigate those
Speaker 1: situations and not getting lost in them, not thinking it's
Speaker 1: the end of the world.
Speaker 2: It's just a moment. And the next morning, the next morning,
Speaker 2: it was so cute, he gave me a card and everything. Okay,
Speaker 2: because I've never actually, I don't think i've ever actually
Speaker 2: been mad at him, and that was the first time.
Speaker 2: And this is like five years in Wow, so this
Speaker 2: was this was a moment. Oh, this was a moment. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And the cards say it was just like, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for everything you do for our family. I
Speaker 2: love you so much. I'm so sorry, you know.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, this is maybe the cute.
Speaker 1: I should get mad at you more often, like this
Speaker 1: is so cute. I really don't get mad at him.
Speaker 2: It's mostly my feelings are hurt or I feel because
Speaker 2: I'm pretty I feel like I'm pretty good at recognizing
Speaker 2: I feel lonely. So instead of like doing something to
Speaker 2: pull him in, like and getting upset about something so
Speaker 2: he comes close, I just I just tell him, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I need more of you. I haven't seen
Speaker 2: you enough. I feel like I'm in the background. What's
Speaker 2: your love language? Quality time? Okay? And so, which is
Speaker 2: also why I kind of have to be on the road,
Speaker 2: uh huh, because otherwise I I don't know I'm not
Speaker 2: words of ath I don't need. In that scenario, I
Speaker 2: guess I would have been acts of service. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I just like being around him. And most of the
Speaker 2: time I can just be in the same orbit and
Speaker 2: we don't have to be alone. But sometimes I do need,
Speaker 2: just like I need just you and me. Let's go
Speaker 2: for a walk. You're saying going for a walk is
Speaker 2: like a key to happy marriage. It's tell me some
Speaker 2: of your keys to happy marriage walks, Okay, sex, I
Speaker 2: agree with that.
Speaker 1: Too, Like some people aren't about that, but like, I
Speaker 1: mean I totally agree with that on a very regular basis.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, oh, we bonded over this. We have we're
Speaker 2: a team, like try for every day. I mean, well,
Speaker 2: I maybe it's that seven who's just happy to go
Speaker 2: looking and enjoys all the things in life.
Speaker 1: But Michael is like down every day, same with us.
Speaker 1: And if it's yeah, and so I'm just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: why would I fight this?
Speaker 2: A Because it's fun and B it's cheaper than therapy,
Speaker 2: cheaper than therapy, and it keeps you so connected. Yes,
Speaker 2: it really does.
Speaker 1: If that drifts apart, ever, which ours never has, because yeah,
Speaker 1: I just decided one day, I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make this a priority.
Speaker 2: Same and we're like I heard it somewhere. Girls are
Speaker 2: like crock pots and men are like microwaves. Have you
Speaker 2: ever heard that? No, that like our like our sexual
Speaker 2: everything is more of a slow, steady, all day kind
Speaker 2: of a thing. Yes. Yeah, So like if they flirt
Speaker 2: with us all day and they but you just like
Speaker 2: kiss a guy for two seconds and they're like we're done,
Speaker 2: Like we're ready, you know, we're more We're it's all
Speaker 2: mixed together. We can't like separate, like if you were
Speaker 2: jerk early in the morning, we still feel that at night.
Speaker 2: Like it's guys are not as much like that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely in my experience, I agree, And so yeah, if
Speaker 1: I in my if I set my crock pot to
Speaker 1: low in the morning, like Mike mentally, then when it
Speaker 1: comes time whenever we do, I'm like, yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about it, I've been processing, and it makes me
Speaker 1: be open and I can't stuff things because if that's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, we're gonna have had a conversation.
Speaker 2: If I'm upset about something, Absolutely it makes me communicate,
Speaker 2: makes him really sentimental and sweet all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean not all the time, but honestly a lot.
Speaker 2: I think it's no. I think having a healthy sexual
Speaker 2: relationship keeps your relationship. Yeah, healthy. I feel like it's
Speaker 2: like insurance for your marriage. Okay, wait, that's great. Tell
Speaker 2: me what, tell me what that means? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just feel like it helps make you invincible, Like
Speaker 2: you're becoming your intentionally you are one as a married couple,
Speaker 2: but you're choosing to be one and just reiterating over
Speaker 2: and over, we are one, we are one. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I think it's great. I love that. I agree. Hey, sex,
Speaker 2: Hi five great marriage, sex, great marriage, walks, going for walk?
Speaker 2: I love a good walk. You get your communication, you
Speaker 2: get I like to say the shoulder to shoulder men
Speaker 2: communicate better shoulder to shoulder than face to face. Okay,
Speaker 2: and I get that in my experience, and I've read
Speaker 2: it somewhere I can't remember. Super interesting, like girls are
Speaker 2: like let's get coffee. That's like sick. Yeah, Like we're
Speaker 2: doing this, Like guys, if they were doing this podcast,
Speaker 2: they'd be like this, yeah, because they're more open by
Speaker 2: way totally. And so we go for so much. So
Speaker 2: we go for a walk, and he just dreams and
Speaker 2: I enjoy it too. We'll pray while we walk because
Speaker 2: you're not just like sitting for laying in bed, and
Speaker 2: you're like in Jesus name, amen, it's I love that
Speaker 2: you're It's more conversational. It's like, God, we pray for
Speaker 2: this friend who has cancer, Like we say, no, she's
Speaker 2: a snave. Yeah, you know, like we're praying. We'll pray
Speaker 2: for this person's marriage or I don't know. It's more conversational.
Speaker 2: It doesn't end. I love that. It's great wine wine.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also that leads to the great sex part.
Speaker 1: Just to be honest, not too much though. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: he is a little whino I call him. Why is
Speaker 1: that like a negative term?
Speaker 2: Well, I just like it's a thing now. It's even
Speaker 2: on his apps. He just puts his wine glasses and
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, it's terrifying. He doesn't do the
Speaker 2: thin ones. Just to reassure everyone who gets terrified it's
Speaker 2: gonna break into his mouth if they're like really fine ones.
Speaker 2: He doesn't, Okay, does certain consistency, Yeah, it has to
Speaker 2: be like semi indestructible. Yeah, okay, but it's never too
Speaker 2: taugh whatever. I mean, I love it. Yeah, he he
Speaker 2: like the SOMN documentaries if you ever watched those somm Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: for Becoming a Master Somlier And it's a documentary. There's
Speaker 2: three of them now, of these people trying to be masters,
Speaker 2: and it is wild, like they have to blind taste
Speaker 2: three wides, three reds, say what year they are, where
Speaker 2: they're from, and there's hundreds right or thousands of wines yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, and regions and there's only I think there's
Speaker 2: less than one hundred masters in the world. So the
Speaker 2: first documentary is really cool watching that process because it's
Speaker 2: like you have to be a savant, like this is
Speaker 2: not a normal person's skill set.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The funny part about it is we watched the first
Speaker 2: one when it came out on our TV and our
Speaker 2: old apartment living next to Miss Kathy and her cat
Speaker 2: and our little duplex drinking box wine watching the documentary,
Speaker 2: but it tastes cherry, hardboard, cardboard tennis balls, like it's
Speaker 2: like so funny. We like watched and drank the cheapest
Speaker 2: wine possible because that's all we could afford. And so
Speaker 2: then the second one came out, we got even more.
Speaker 2: We watched the second one like eight times. I gotta
Speaker 2: watch this. They're so fun.
Speaker 1: That second one's my favorite. It tells you why all
Speaker 1: of the things are as important as they are.
Speaker 2: Okay, like even how wine was affected by war, and
Speaker 2: it's really cool. So anyway, it got him super into wine.
Speaker 2: So I call him Russell digck Er Salm when he
Speaker 2: does this test when he does swirling.
Speaker 1: Which is disgusting, I like hate when people do that,
Speaker 1: but he does it every now and then if it's
Speaker 1: a very nice wine, he loves it.
Speaker 2: It's really it's really cute. I love that he's very
Speaker 2: into it and I get to reap the benefits of it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, this wine's delicious. Thanks babe, Hey, thanks
Speaker 2: for scoping. Yeah, exactly. So what are y'all watching on Netflix?
Speaker 2: He says, it's not Netflix but Marvelous Missus masl Love Love.
Speaker 2: We have two more episodes, and I like refuse to
Speaker 2: watch them because I don't I don't want it to
Speaker 2: be over. I'm just like that. I'm like, it can't
Speaker 2: be over. We're catching up on This is Us because
Speaker 2: I have to hear. I love it every time I'm
Speaker 2: in it. I'm like, Okay, I love watching this, but
Speaker 2: I have to gear up for each episode, Yes, because
Speaker 2: I know it's gonna just hug all my heart strings. Yes,
Speaker 2: which I love. I like feeling all the things. But
Speaker 2: he's less likely to be like, yeah, let's watch it
Speaker 2: as a seven because seven's avoid pain, and that show
Speaker 2: has them in it, so it really hits. He's like,
Speaker 2: let's watch Miss Mazel, Like let's watch the funny one.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really sweet. He watches what I want to
Speaker 2: watch because a lot of I think it is kind
Speaker 2: of like a spiritual thing for me. I if it's
Speaker 2: really heavy and dark, I really really feel it, yes,
Speaker 2: And I like, why am I praying against all of
Speaker 2: these heavy and dark things and then submitting myself to
Speaker 2: them and watching it. I'm like, this makes no sense.
Speaker 2: So one day I was like, if it's not if
Speaker 2: it doesn't make me feel great, I'm not watching it.
Speaker 2: We have enough real stress in our lives. Absolutely, I
Speaker 2: don't need fake stress. I love that. So we're happy
Speaker 2: show people. That's how we are to well, being married
Speaker 2: and such. Friends like, religiously, y'all should watch Last Man
Speaker 2: on Earth? Have you all seen that? Yes?
Speaker 1: It's okay, silly I have. We need to kind of
Speaker 1: back up it kind of took a little. It kind
Speaker 1: of is getting a little more intense, but like, Michael's
Speaker 1: the same way.
Speaker 2: The episode that first episode is the best pilot I've
Speaker 2: ever seen of Last Man on Ours, and he's like
Speaker 2: bowling with cars. The things are blowing up. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's one of my favorite pilots of all time. We
Speaker 2: watched it the whole first season and then I think
Speaker 2: we get lost interest in the second. Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 2: of cheesy, but it's cute. Yeah. Yeah, Michael's the same way.
Speaker 2: You kind of remind me of January Jones. Okay, great, thanks, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's a babe.
Speaker 1: Okay, So obviously I want to talk to you forever,
Speaker 1: but I know you have to go to Best Call
Speaker 1: and there's laundry and all sorts of thah honey, honey,
Speaker 1: But I like to leave all my episodes of Leave
Speaker 1: Your Light. So just obviously you're super inspiring. This all
Speaker 1: is inspiring. But what do you want people to know? Like,
Speaker 1: what's the message you want to speak into people?
Speaker 2: Ooh that just love people, love them hard and well
Speaker 2: and intentionally. And I personally think being known is even
Speaker 2: better than being loved, because in our culture, everything is
Speaker 2: just like oh, I love you, I love you. I
Speaker 2: love you, But like nothing communicates love like actually investing
Speaker 2: in people and knowing them and knowing them well and
Speaker 2: in turn you're loving them well. I love that investing
Speaker 2: in people, invest in people. Do you invest in a
Speaker 2: lot of people or do you?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 2: I rein it in Yeah, I used to do a lot.
Speaker 2: LA has helped you ran that in Yes, that's part
Speaker 2: of the reason you're go at the apartment just to
Speaker 2: just to have alone time and not say yes to everything. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You said a quote like if you say yes to everything,
Speaker 1: it's because you're not learning how to prioritize your nose
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just because you're I forget exactly what it was.
Speaker 2: But if you're saying yes everything, it's only showing that
Speaker 2: you don't know how to say no. M h something
Speaker 2: to that effect. Like I had to really learn that, yeah,
Speaker 2: because one day I woke up and I realized I
Speaker 2: was like, I've gone to coffee eight times this week,
Speaker 2: and every single time I was helping someone and it
Speaker 2: was not reciprocated. Yes, And I was like, okay, that's
Speaker 2: the two wing. Like I enjoy it, but you can't financially.
Speaker 2: But then I realized I hadn't seen my very best friends,
Speaker 2: the ones who don't need me, yes in the best way,
Speaker 2: because they're reciprocal friendships. Yes. And I was like, dang,
Speaker 2: like I really need to reprioritize my life. And so
Speaker 2: my circle got smaller and smaller. And unless it's reciprocal,
Speaker 2: like it really doesn't get much of my time because
Speaker 2: there's not much of it left.
Speaker 1: I think that's so important. I feel like I've been
Speaker 1: that same way I was. I've always loved to be social.
Speaker 1: No everyone, love everyone. I had a breaking point in
Speaker 1: the past couple of years. I'm like, I am tired,
Speaker 1: Like I love knowing so many people and being in community,
Speaker 1: but same, it's like you just want to pour yourself
Speaker 1: into the relationships that really are that are life long, yeah,
Speaker 1: aren't like and then if someone comes around in it
Speaker 1: totally and it's great, but it's like, I'm not seeking
Speaker 1: that out like I used to.
Speaker 2: We had so many people live with us, stay with us,
Speaker 2: who needed us, Like those were beautiful times. But all
Speaker 2: of a sudden one year, I was like that season's done. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that was the beginning of this last year and
Speaker 2: ever and thank God because if I had, we had
Speaker 2: nothing left. Honestly, we were so exhausted that if we
Speaker 2: were banking on anything in return from these people, we
Speaker 2: would have been screwed. I was like, not the people
Speaker 2: who stayed with us, but the ones who always needed
Speaker 2: our time. And yeah, we really had to rein it in.
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, I love you. You're so wise, girls,
Speaker 2: I just love you. I'm serious, I love you so much.
Speaker 2: Little miss sunshine over here. God, well I have a
Speaker 2: rain cloud too. I have to mind before like my
Speaker 2: four is like I'm a romantic scirit, it's a secret
Speaker 2: ring cloud back there. Well, if I haven't seen it, well,
Speaker 2: I've worked on it a lot because like I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm a romantic. That's what a four is.
Speaker 1: So like, I get so lost in feelings. I've had
Speaker 1: to learn how to separate them all and realize and
Speaker 1: like not.
Speaker 2: Get like go down the landslide with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's how my thirties, I will say, I've
Speaker 1: got a lot better. Like Therapy and Michael, Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: amazically team therapy. I just realize that I don't have
Speaker 1: to feel everything to the bottom, but when I feel
Speaker 1: something and it like affects me I have to go
Speaker 1: to the bottom so hard and just feel it and
Speaker 1: feel it.
Speaker 2: And that's why I can recover quickly from things.
Speaker 1: Like some people, something will hit them and it will
Speaker 1: take the years to process or like months. For me,
Speaker 1: I'm like in it all the way down immediately, like there,
Speaker 1: and then I just figure out how to get out
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: So it's really intense, but it's fast. That's good. That's
Speaker 2: a good thing. But it's a I'm glad you know
Speaker 2: how to do that. It's also psycho because like like bipolar,
Speaker 2: sometimes no you are not y out. Oh I'm freaking
Speaker 2: love you. Thank you for joining, thanks for coming over. Yes,
Speaker 2: I love it. I've foun on the road. M hm.