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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale LOLLI he is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt. We're now just a few days

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Speaker 2: away here from the Steelers game at the Las Vegas Raiders.

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Speaker 2: And as we get closer and closer that yesterday, we

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Speaker 2: didn't have an injury report because of Steelers practiced very

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Speaker 2: late today a little bit different. They were on the

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Speaker 2: field a little earlier. But yesterday I had a bunch

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Speaker 2: of guys out out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I and it was not just I mean, I

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Speaker 3: guess Monday night the rest. Yeah, do you have that

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Speaker 3: list in front of you.

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Speaker 2: I can get it here.

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Speaker 3: Right Okay for yesterday's practice. We don't have today's yet,

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Speaker 3: not yet, but.

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Speaker 2: It don't come in here before the show is over.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious who were concerned about that? That's all good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So yesterday not practicing were Patrick Peterson. That was

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Speaker 2: not injury guys. I'll just say the ones who didn't

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Speaker 2: practice because of injuries. So Demante Kasey had a calf,

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Speaker 2: makeing fitz Patrick to chest although talked to him today.

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Speaker 2: He said he's playing on.

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Speaker 3: This sounds positive. All I heard about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Marcus Golden with a knee, okay, Darnell Washington with

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Speaker 2: his knee, Gunner Ol Chefsky's in concussion protocol, and then

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Speaker 2: Larry Ogunjobi with the foot.

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Speaker 3: No surprise him, Okay, I mean, nothing too startling. Then,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess there's a bunch of veterans, but

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Speaker 3: that's fine. Looking.

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Speaker 2: At the Raiders practice report, which we didn't have a

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Speaker 2: showtime yesterday, Tyree Wilson and Chris Smith Wilson the defensive end,

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Speaker 2: Chris Smith safety, both had illnesses and did not practice.

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Speaker 3: Okay, if people weren't familiar, Wilson's their first round pick.

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Speaker 3: I think he was a six pick overall. I didn't

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Speaker 3: think he's that type of prospect, but I also didn't

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Speaker 3: think this was a great draft class at the top.

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Speaker 3: He's super long, he's very athletic, but I think he's

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Speaker 3: a work in progress. And Chandler Jones is out of

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Speaker 3: the mix, so he's the Chandler Jones replacement.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, DeVante Adams was a full participant. They listed that

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Speaker 2: as a game day concussion protocol evaluation. Now people may

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Speaker 2: look at that and say, what does that mean. Well,

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Speaker 2: here's what the league has done. And I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I like it or not. If

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Speaker 2: you take a big hit on game day during the game,

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Speaker 2: they can pull you off the field. And even if

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Speaker 2: you pass the concussion protocol and go right back in,

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Speaker 2: they can know they can keep you out of the game. No,

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Speaker 2: you just you took too big of a hit.

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Speaker 3: I was unaware of that. I hate it. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 3: I mean that's unfair to the player. Yeah, he I

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Speaker 3: passed the medical test.

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Speaker 2: Well, and this is so what this is is in

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Speaker 2: response to what happened to a Tago Vie because he

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Speaker 2: passed the initial concussion test and then they said, well

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Speaker 2: he might not have passed later. And you know, obviously,

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Speaker 2: the way I take.

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Speaker 3: That is then you're admitting your test is wrong. Is bad?

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so DeVante Adams, under one day the game day

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Speaker 2: concussion protocol evaluation, did not return to that game. But

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Speaker 2: apparently he has since passed concussion protocol testing, and so.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he could have went back in that game. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, they were getting beat bad at the

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Speaker 3: time and probably wouldn't have anyways, there's probably no reason

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Speaker 3: to do it. But what if that's the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 2: Right? So he's fine? Uh Corean Bennett, so real quick.

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Speaker 3: Just I don't know if we confuse people there. But

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Speaker 3: that's why he didn't have to go through the whole

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Speaker 3: week of testing that we are lay out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's why the league is very the teams

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Speaker 2: are very specific about when they talk about these guys

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Speaker 2: on game day. If you see, if you hear a

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Speaker 2: player is being evaluated for a con or in concussion

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Speaker 2: or being evaluated for a concussion is different than being

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, we're having a concussion because they may evaluate

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Speaker 3: him say okay, you're fine, go back out there, no worries.

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Speaker 3: We want to check you out. So that's what that

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Speaker 2: His he has. He is officially as a concussion yes.

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Speaker 3: Uh so.

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Speaker 2: Jakreyan Bennen is one of their cornerbacks. He he has

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Speaker 2: a hamstring injury. Limited participant yesterday Divine, the Oblo linebacker

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Speaker 3: I kind of like him. Yeah, yeah, he's coming out

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Speaker 3: of school. He was like a big safety linebacker that

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Speaker 3: keeps adding weight. And making that transition or whatever. Well,

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Speaker 3: so Splaine has not. This is what exactly what you

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Speaker 3: guys want to hear. Spallaine has never come off the

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Speaker 3: field for one snap in his raidar career. But the

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Speaker 3: oblo is the one next to him.

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Speaker 2: He also never comes off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's missed like four percent of snaps or something

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Speaker 3: like that.

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Speaker 2: I will say that makes him very light.

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Speaker 3: It does, it does.

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Speaker 2: It's the linebackers.

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Speaker 3: Ballaine's not a great athlete for that either. It's not

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Speaker 3: exactly you know the Bills tandem or of years past

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Speaker 3: or the Niners tandem right now.

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Speaker 2: You know Marcus Epps, one of their safeties, he has

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Speaker 2: a quad. He was limited yesterday.

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Speaker 3: He's a starter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jacobe Myers concussion but limited.

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Speaker 3: So he's already missed the week.

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Speaker 2: He missed a week. So he's trending. You know, he's

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Speaker 2: now starting to get ramped up a little bit. And

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Speaker 2: see where that's at.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Myers and Adams makes them much scarier, much scarier.

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Speaker 2: And Balal Nichols, defensive tackle with a hamstring and a

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm sure most of our listeners aren't familiar with

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Speaker 3: their defensive tackles because frankly, I'm not that familiar with

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Speaker 3: their defensive tackles. But when I was doing my research

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Speaker 3: on this team, they have five guys that basically play

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Speaker 3: the same amount of snaps. It's between like thirty nine

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Speaker 3: and fifty one percent or something like that. They just

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Speaker 3: keep rotating.

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Speaker 2: None of them are any good exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not because they're all so great that they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, their idea is to just keep rotating those guys

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Speaker 3: The one of them, and one he's one of the

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Speaker 3: kind of nameless, faceless type dudes, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's the injury situation right now. As I mentioned,

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Speaker 2: micka Fitzpatrick said today that he should be good to

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Speaker 2: hit on Nick Chubb, got the wind knocked out of him.

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Speaker 2: And then when he was running down the field to

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Speaker 2: make the shoe string tackle, oh and Dove, he aggravated

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, okay, I didn't understand that one hundred percent,

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Speaker 3: but I guess he made the hit on Chub was

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Speaker 3: down for a bit. Got up. I mean people are

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Speaker 3: always talking about how that's a dirty hit. Well I

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Speaker 3: don't think it is even a little bit. But anyways,

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Speaker 3: gets Up sees how Chubb is probably still feeling it.

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Speaker 3: I mean like he did some damage and then took

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Speaker 2: Just to make sure that just a double check because

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Speaker 2: he was again having trouble getting his breath. You know,

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Speaker 2: in that situation, because you take two blows to the chest,

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Speaker 2: it makes sense they want to be very careful with that.

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Speaker 3: I would think more now, yeah so than ever obviously,

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Speaker 3: but he's looking promising.

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Speaker 2: So he also addressed the hit on Nick Chubb. He said, look,

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Speaker 2: what do you expect me to do when I make

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Speaker 2: that decision and to go in low on him. There's

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Speaker 2: nobody even tackling him yet.

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Speaker 3: When I says I'm going to get Nick Schubb on

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Speaker 3: go high on him and he's got ahead of steam up,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be the one who's can cussed, you know,

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Speaker 3: So I get that this idea that that somehow this

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Speaker 3: was a dirty hitter. This stuff, this, I really don't

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Speaker 3: understand it.

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Speaker 2: Pro Football Talk, Mike Florio. I don't know what's happened

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Speaker 2: to Mike Florio, but uh I, if you're going to

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Speaker 2: cover football, at least have an idea of what the

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Speaker 2: game is supposed to look like. It's football.

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Speaker 3: This is he the one pumping this up. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I know Browns fans are unhappy he's saying.

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Speaker 2: I get that he's putting. He put out there today

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Speaker 2: that maybe they should make those kind of tackles illegal.

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Speaker 2: That if if the if a player is already engaged

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Speaker 2: with with if the ballcarriers already engaged with somebody else,

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Speaker 2: you can't then have somebody come in low on them.

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Speaker 3: So we basically gang tackle anymore.

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Speaker 2: That's essentially what you're saying. And as Fitzpatrick said, if

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Speaker 2: liken it to a chop block. They're completely different things.

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Speaker 3: I mean, chop block is called in on the play, right,

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Speaker 3: I'm engaged with you as the blocker, and then and

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Speaker 3: then yeah, then somebody.

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Speaker 2: Comes in while I'm engaged with you and hits the

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Speaker 2: it takes you out. That was something that was coached

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Speaker 3: Because it was legal, and people realize it is not right.

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Speaker 2: But it's completely different. Then I'm running with the ball. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty I'm running with the ball two hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty five pounds running back. You're coming up, as is

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Speaker 2: the defensive back, and you've got to make a split

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Speaker 2: second decision. Okay, how am I tackling this guy? Well,

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Speaker 2: of course, A, you're going to go low because the

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Speaker 2: lower man wins. But B you how are you supposed

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Speaker 2: to you know, once he's already committed to that, and

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Speaker 2: then Cole Holcomb jumps on him as well, it's too late.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I hate to say it.

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Speaker 2: How can you legislate that out of the game. It's tackling.

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Speaker 3: I mean, frankly, I understand Browns fans being super frustrated

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Speaker 3: with the situation. The hated Steelers did it to us,

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Speaker 3: so they're dirty, they're mean. Okay, that's fans, you know,

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Speaker 3: I frankly think you're wrong. But how I would love

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Speaker 3: to see what the the rule change would be, what

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Speaker 3: only one person's allowed to tackle?

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Speaker 2: That's what I want to see. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 2: it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's an awful, brutal sport.

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Speaker 2: Put flags on them if that's what you want to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I mean this is going to happen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's football. Their injuries are going to happen.

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Speaker 2: They are the injury rate and football is one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: I hate to say it, but the same play happens

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Speaker 3: next week, Minka or the linebacker could get hurt too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, these are dangerous things that happen. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you hate it. I mean, it's my least favorite thing

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Speaker 3: about the sport, but especially to a star like Chubb

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Speaker 3: and an important player like him. But it wasn't dirty.

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Speaker 3: It was illegal and there was no intent there.

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Speaker 2: No And that's what he you know, he is looking.

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Speaker 2: So just to suggest, uh, you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Just saw no bad intent.

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Speaker 2: He makes me better. I make him better. You know,

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Speaker 3: And I hope and I think we would take the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I don't have a problem with it. I'm

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Speaker 2: Well, I will say too that that the Cleveland media

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Speaker 2: They bring out transcripts of everything, and I'm looking through

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Speaker 3: Really? You know, everybody just wants to blame people. I

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Speaker 3: I'm done with it. I never saw an issue to

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Speaker 2: No, no, and it's you know, if again, if this

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Speaker 2: Vonte Perfect, for example, had a history of plays like this, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know what, how however you felt about James Harrison.

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Speaker 3: Told the line had plenty of Steelers hurting people far

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Speaker 2: Now a lot of you know, for a while, what

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Speaker 3: The rules also changed.

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Speaker 2: But this is what happened when you can't go high,

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Speaker 3: Not to mention another thing. If you see a running

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you're talking about guys that are you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't even know where i'd start. I'd try to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's a it's a problem, and the Steelers

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Josh Jacobs. Three in a row that they've had

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're gonna run the gauntlet here.

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Speaker 2: He's not, but talking to Terrell Austin' day and makeu Fitzpatrick.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously they expect the Raiders to come out

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Speaker 3: You said earlier.

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Speaker 2: fifty eight yards per game, they're still running at forty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure that's near the league lead. Yeah, i

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Speaker 2: So they you know, they just that's what they do,

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Speaker 2: not a Hey it's third and ten quarterback, No, right, right, right,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And frankly, their offense can be pretty good. I mean,

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Speaker 2: And they have two well they get ready, he gets

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Speaker 3: It comes quite quick, and that's it. He's a timing

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Speaker 3: numbers quarterback doesn't paints outside the lines a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's interesting. You know, we brought up

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Speaker 3: I can't explain it. I mean, there are some explanations

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Speaker 2: The red zone, like how many times you move it to.

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Speaker 3: The thirty five thirty five and kick.

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Speaker 2: A field goal? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean they're and their offense hasn't been terrible. The

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Speaker 3: I don't know why they haven't fielded a punt. Maybe

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Speaker 3: they're punt returners phenomenal And I don't know who he

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Speaker 2: Just looking here they've.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so so every so, folks, every punt in a

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Speaker 3: end zone or fair cot Yeah you know so, No,

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Speaker 3: there's no return yards in either Raider game.

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Speaker 2: Who aj Cole is their punter. He's averaging forty nine

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Speaker 3: Maybe he's great.

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Speaker 2: He's only punted four times in two games.

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Speaker 3: There might not be a lot of punts either in

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Speaker 2: They've they've turned the ball over three to Propla has

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Speaker 3: Well, I bet the opponents have not punted very often

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Speaker 2: Well that's the other thing there.

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Speaker 3: There's probably no chance because again they're always in the

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Speaker 2: Well, they have no return. They haven't even tried to return,

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Speaker 3: So the Raiders. Yeah, oh well, so nobody's punting too.

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Speaker 3: Have they not caused a punt all year? I didn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have no Just looking here, there's no opponent

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Speaker 3: They've never caused a punt. That kind of adds up

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Speaker 3: when you look at their defensive numbers. It's really that bad. Folks. Like,

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Speaker 3: as I said, you're talking about the Raiders. Now, I

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Speaker 3: I think their offense is formidable. I think it's an

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Speaker 3: average to maybe even above average offense. All the running

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Speaker 3: game has been horrible. I think their defense is horrendous though,

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Speaker 3: and then back it up. I mean all the things

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Speaker 3: I did about the Steelers. You know, obviously there was

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Speaker 3: it was always followed by But the Raiders are last

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Speaker 3: everything that bad that Steelers are bad at, the Raiders

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Speaker 2: Defensively, they've given up ten red zone trips in two games.

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Speaker 3: I think it's been ten out of fifteen drives.

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Speaker 2: It's ten, y's ten out of fifty, like ten red

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the two games, two thirds of the time you

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Speaker 3: red zone, which is crazy, which is basically guaranteed three

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Speaker 3: points if not more right. I just and then to

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Speaker 3: twenty five or the thirty one or you know, like

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Speaker 3: they gave us so like they're three and our percentages horrible.

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Speaker 2: The Broncos in week one against them had twenty two

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Speaker 2: first downs. Now they only had two hundred and sixty

443
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Speaker 2: total yards, so it was chipping away, chipping away, chipping away.

444
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Speaker 2: Last week the Bills had four fifty against them.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, and a lot of running back production.

446
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Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty three rushing yards. And the Bills

447
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:02,680
Speaker 2: don't want to run the football.

448
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Speaker 3: No, no, I mean the running back started running backs

449
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Speaker 3: against the Raiders. Is the fantasy note here. And the

450
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Speaker 3: other thing is it just so happens. I was looking

451
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Speaker 3: at pressure percentage, which I don't take his gospel because

452
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Speaker 3: somebody's kind of pro football focused thing. Oh give him

453
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Speaker 3: a pressure or I won't. It's not like a sack.

454
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Speaker 3: But on Pro Football Reference pressure percentage pass rush pressure percentage,

455
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Speaker 3: the Steelers are number one by a very very wide margin,

456
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Speaker 3: like by an eight percent more than Dallas, which didn't

457
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,920
Speaker 3: quite add up to me, but still to be it.

458
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Speaker 3: And the Raiders are last by like his wide a margin.

459
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Speaker 3: I mean, thirty one is like ten percentage worse than them.

460
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Speaker 3: I mean, so this is a strange game in terms

461
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Speaker 3: of a lot of really and just the stat pack

462
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Speaker 3: I did was really a lot of them were last

463
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Speaker 3: in the league or second last in the league, or

464
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Speaker 3: first in the league. You know, like a lot of

465
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Speaker 3: real extremes. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, we're gonna get to a break. He is

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I am Dale. Allie, you're listening to the

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Speaker 2: Driver on Seelers Nation Radio. When we come back, we'll

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Speaker 2: be joined by all right, yeah, well, the the Duke

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Speaker 2: of Doom and Gloom. Yeah, we'll be back with Bob

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Speaker 2: right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale LOLLI. He is the Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 2: and this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And

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Speaker 2: we're pleased to be joined now as we will be

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Speaker 2: on every Thursday by the Duke of Doom and Gloom,

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Speaker 2: the Lord of living in his fears, Bob Labriola. How

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Speaker 2: you doing, Bob?

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Speaker 3: Not as gloomy as gloomy as I was before that

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Speaker 3: game against the Browns.

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Speaker 2: That's good to hear, Bob. I didn't want to to

484
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Speaker 2: talk you off the ledge a little bit here, but

485
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Speaker 2: we saw this.

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Speaker 3: We just lost Bob. Well, he's all tripper today. He's

487
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 3: like Jolly Saint nic over there.

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Speaker 2: I guess you're gonna have to come up with a

489
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Speaker 2: new nickname for him. It's not you know, I'm sure

490
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Speaker 2: he's still living in his fears that I have no

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Speaker 2: doubt about.

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Speaker 3: Oh, no question. But that's all right. Yeah, he should

493
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Speaker 3: be joining us here soon. Yeah, how these things work.

494
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Speaker 2: We have a few technical difficulties, but yeah, you know,

495
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Speaker 2: I think this game against the Raiders is one and

496
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Speaker 2: I know and Tim Benz is gonna he's been pounding

497
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Speaker 2: this all week long. The do you know the Steelers

498
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Speaker 2: haven't beaten the Raiders on the roads since nineteen ninety five.

499
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Speaker 2: It's been four times, four games. Yeah, it's four times.

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Speaker 2: It's not like it's the it's the Bengals or the

501
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Speaker 2: Browns or the or the Ravens that you're playing game

502
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Speaker 2: in again. You know, if the stuff against the Patriots

503
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Speaker 2: was real, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, yeah, and you know, like you don't not to

505
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Speaker 3: crush the Raiders, but they don't usually end up in

506
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Speaker 3: the same spot in their division as the Steelers, which

507
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Speaker 3: is why.

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Speaker 2: You don't haven't played often, right, Yeah, So, I mean

509
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: it's it's a it's a little different, you know.

510
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Speaker 3: It's also a different building, completely different building in a

511
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Speaker 3: different city, different city, a different different state.

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Speaker 2: A different region. I mean, pick something. I saw something

513
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Speaker 2: earlier today, Matt where I think it's ticketmaster, whoever handles

514
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, is estimating sixty percent Steeler fans.

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Speaker 3: From this team. I heard that. I can't say I'm shocked.

516
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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe you have a better feel for this

517
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Speaker 3: than I do. But if I grew up in Vegas,

518
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Speaker 3: is there a strong chance I grew up a Raider fan? No,

519
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Speaker 3: I know most people are transplanting.

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Speaker 2: There might be some.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure there's some.

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Speaker 2: There's some every fan you know of every team in

523
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Speaker 2: that city, because that's a that's a city where nobody's from.

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Speaker 3: That's why.

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Speaker 2: How do you know that's actually I'm from Las Vegas,

526
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Speaker 2: born and raised, born and raised. I've yet to meet

527
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Speaker 2: somebody who is born with.

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Speaker 3: Those people be Raider fans. Most likely, though, is that

529
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Speaker 3: the closest team growing up is Oakland or well, I

530
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Speaker 3: think La is close. I mean the Raiders were in LA.

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Speaker 3: I mean Oakland, l might have some of those, you know,

532
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Speaker 3: maybeenty Niners fans.

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Speaker 2: You might have.

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Speaker 3: You might have some I know, Niner fans just take

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Speaker 3: over when they play the bag.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you might have some Denver fans. I mean, Denver's

537
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Speaker 2: a kind of a regional team out there.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, but even that city isn't born and bred Raiders.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, so why would you expect them to

540
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Speaker 2: suddenly Oh hey, that's that's why when the Raiders were

541
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Speaker 2: moving to Las Vegas, they went and got Antonio Brown

542
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Speaker 2: and they were they were spending some money. Hey we

543
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Speaker 2: got to have some stars, star power.

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Speaker 3: Come see what we can do. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And frankly,

545
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Speaker 3: if you're born in the last twenty years in Oakland,

546
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Speaker 3: you might not even be a Raider fan. Yeah, you know,

547
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Speaker 3: maybe mom and dad were, but that doesn't mean you're

548
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Speaker 3: going to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I I don't know.

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Speaker 3: They haven't be great the year for.

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Speaker 2: I know they have not, But I expected this expected

552
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Speaker 2: Steeler fans to show up in this get for this

553
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: game in a big way. And it looks like that's

554
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Speaker 2: going to be the case.

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Speaker 3: So no look on Labs, I guess at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Apparently not so. Still a CJ is still working on

557
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Speaker 2: getting Labs back. Jimmy Garoppolo Matt, he's played pretty well

558
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Speaker 2: well in two games.

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Speaker 3: He is.

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Speaker 2: He's completing seventy two percent of his passes. But like

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Speaker 2: you said, it's it's seventy two percent of his passes.

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Speaker 2: But he's three touchdowns, three interceptions.

563
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Speaker 3: He's not three.

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Speaker 2: Hundred and eighty five yards on fifty pass attempts. So

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Speaker 2: he's averaging six six yards. Well, I'm sorry, it's seven

566
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Speaker 2: point seven yards per attempt. Air yards per attempt is

567
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Speaker 2: six point two. The ball's coming out quick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mentioned he has him been sacked for two reasons.

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Speaker 3: First off, good for him. He's playing within the design

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Speaker 3: of the offense. It's a lot of Brady McDaniel, old

571
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Speaker 3: school Patriot get it out, quick read, boom, get it out,

572
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Speaker 3: and that's not easy to execute. He's executing that well

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Speaker 3: and his protection has been better than I would have guessed.

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Speaker 3: On top of that, but he also I mentioned not

575
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Speaker 3: being sacked too because some of these guys like de

576
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Speaker 3: Shaan watson Field, you can look at them and be like, boy,

577
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: he's getting sacked left and right, and it's on them,

578
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: you know where you know, Jimmy's keeping the bodies off

579
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Speaker 3: him with his mind and his processing where some quarterback

580
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of quarterbacks in the league that aren't.

581
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Speaker 3: And then there's some quarterbacks in the league that simply

582
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: have just been under siege behind batter lions. It's not

583
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Speaker 3: even their fault. And that's that's that's not him either

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Speaker 3: right now.

585
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Speaker 2: And I look at the targets. Are Bob back all right?

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Speaker 2: Can you here's Bob?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: I can there we go, Hey, yes, Bob. So, Bob,

589
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Speaker 2: you're you're not living or you're not in a dooming

590
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 2: globe mode this week? But are you living in your fears?

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00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 3: Well? I mean, let's be honest.

592
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: We're still dealing with an offense.

593
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Speaker 3: There's only scoring.

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Speaker 2: Did we lose Bob again? Says he's still on it.

595
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: To finish Bob sentence. Haven't scored a lot of points.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know what's going on with Bob here,

597
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: but uh he disconnected again. Okay, I get you know that. Yeah,

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00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 2: I understand that. But I look at this Raiders defense.

599
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: I think, no, no, he's not there, I'm sorry.

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00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 2: Four point nine yards per carry they're allowing. They're allowing

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Speaker 2: allowing somehow the yards per catch for them that they've

602
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Speaker 2: allowed is seven point five.

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00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: Okay, that their defense is that their.

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Speaker 2: Defense is allowing. That tells me they're allowing a lot

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Speaker 2: of catches to running backs and things of that.

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Speaker 3: I would say they played Denver was collective Buffalo. It

607
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: was a lot of James Cook. He's a really good

608
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Speaker 3: receiving back. Yeah, but this is kind of a fantasy nugget.

609
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 3: The production they've allowed to the running back position through

610
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 3: two games is borderline ridiculous. I mean, it's like three

611
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: hundred total yards you know from scrimmage. If you add

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Speaker 3: up every running back what they've done against the Raiders

613
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: up until this point, it's magnificently high. Yeah, and meanwhile

614
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 3: their running backs are doing nothing.

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Speaker 2: I would also say that tight ends have been very

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Speaker 2: good against them as well. If you look at the

617
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Speaker 2: tight end numbers, they've given up fifteen catches already this season,

618
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Speaker 2: the tight ends on nineteen attempts and knocks.

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Speaker 3: Kincaid and the Broncos.

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Speaker 2: Guys, they haven't played a good one like a superstar yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It wasn't Kelsey and Kittle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can one of.

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Speaker 3: The guys that any of those positions are superstars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can only imagine what that's going to look

625
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: like when they do play some of these better tight ends.

626
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Speaker 3: I'd hope you get Firemuth rolling.

627
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Speaker 2: So that's to me, that's what I'm looking for, you know,

628
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: in this game, get Firemuth going, because again I'm not

629
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: ripping Robert Spoline here, but we know who he is,

630
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: but we know who he is and what his limitations.

631
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Speaker 3: Are with them. Yeah, right, wrong and different. I mean right,

632
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 3: you know what he is and he's out there every snap,

633
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: so you should know his strengths and weakness is better

634
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: than any team in the league.

635
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: So you know where to attack him, where to go

636
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: after him, and you know what he can and can't do,

637
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: so take advantage of that. Yeah. The U thus far

638
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: opposing running backs averaging twenty five rushing attempts for one

639
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five point five yards in a touchdown

640
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: eight point five receptions per.

641
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Speaker 3: Game through the running back position alone alone. Yeah, it's

642
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: it's brutal. I mean, they're linebackers back to Spelene, but

643
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: also divine and you know strong safeties and all those

644
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: guys aren't strong, and in the middle of the field

645
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: is very, very vulnerable to these guys, much more so

646
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: than the Browns, let alone the total end of the

647
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 3: spectrum of the Niners.

648
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only team allowing more catches to the running

649
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: back position thus far are.

650
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Speaker 3: The Jets because their pass rush is so rough.

651
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they give up nine per game that it's in

652
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: fifty six yards. I mean, they're they're doing a good

653
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 2: job of limiting the damage there. It's eight, it's eight

654
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: and a half catches for forty three yards, so you

655
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: can kind of okay, it's five yards up, you know,

656
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: but it's five yards and they're just teams are possessing

657
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Speaker 2: the football against the Yeah. Yeah, so that's that's where

658
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: they're getting heard here. And I'm just looking here at

659
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: their third down conversion. I mean, opponents are converting fifty

660
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: percent of their third downs against you. All Right, we

661
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: got Bob back again, are you there? Bob? There we go. Hey,

662
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: So you were saying about the Steelers offense, and obviously

663
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: it's it is still all right, he's got reverb.

664
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Speaker 1: He's off again.

665
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: We just lost them again. Okay, So I don't know

666
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: what's going on with Bob today. But hopefully we're able

667
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: to figure this out and get Bob here in the future.

668
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, so fifty conversion rate on third downs allow,

669
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: that's what they're allowing. Opponents are three for four and

670
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: fourth downs against them. So even so, they're getting into

671
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: some third and short situations because they haven't been trailing.

672
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: And my hunch is, just knowing that that stat that

673
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: we mentioned that a very high percentage of drives end

674
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: up in the red zone or end zone, I would

675
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: bet a lot of those fourth and ones are at

676
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 3: the thirty yard line.

677
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they're not thirty five. You're like, hey, I

678
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: just go for it here and if you turn it over,

679
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: we turn it over.

680
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and keep these guys on the field. And

681
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: they're allowing conversions on fourth downs as well as third Yeah,

682
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: there's very few defensive numbers or attributes other than Crosby

683
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: that are even average.

684
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be honest with So to your point earlier

685
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: this week, if the Steelers struggle in this game offensively, yeah,

686
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to be there, then then it's time to

687
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: really be concerned. It's you know, it's understandable that you

688
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: you struggled offensively. You don't like it, say it's acceptable. Yeah,

689
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: it's not acceptable, but it's understandable that you came out

690
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: of the gate and struggled against two good defenses.

691
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. And again this is far from excuse because everyone

692
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: deals with it. But the first two games of the

693
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 3: year you get your feet under you a little bit

694
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 3: more on. If they don't really move the ball with

695
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 3: consistency through the air and ground in this game, it's

696
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: a massive, massive red flag to me. Yeah, so I.

697
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: Mean that's that's something. But you don't want to you

698
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: don't want to turn this game into a shootout.

699
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: No, No, but the Raiders can score.

700
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: They can score. So I think your best mode of

701
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: offense here just possess the football. That's what other teams

702
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: have done in some and they don't run a lot

703
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: of plays. No.

704
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: No, if you could get back to second half of

705
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: last year offense, you'd be in real good shape.

706
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, it may not be the thirty

707
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: point explosion that I think everybody wants. It's not going

708
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: to be four hundred yards of offense. When did that

709
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: become well, they had four hundred yards of offense or

710
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: they haven't had four hundred yards of offense, since this

711
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: a lot of times when you have four hundred yards

712
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: of offense, you lost the game. Want to win right, yeah,

713
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: you know, because same thing with three hundred yard games.

714
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: Well the quarterback had a three hundred yard game, but

715
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: you lost.

716
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: The Blake Portals year two. Yeah, putting in your fantasy

717
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: lineup and for the first half you're like, oh, what

718
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: did I do that?

719
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: For winning the game matters? That's yeah, that's what you're

720
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: looking to do here. So if you come you know,

721
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: if you have three hundred and fifty yards of offense

722
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: and you win the game, you had a good game.

723
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: You had a good game. I think time of possession

724
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: is huge in this.

725
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: That's the big thing. And the Steelers have lost time

726
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: of possession badly in the first two games.

727
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: Oh badly, badly, And that's how last year's.

728
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: Much the same way they started last year. This is

729
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: a game where you.

730
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: You should be able to get right on. You should.

731
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should be able to handle time of possession

732
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: and keep and play keep away from this team a

733
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: little bit because again they don't run a lot of plays.

734
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: And running backs for controlling games against.

735
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: They give up a ridiculous completion eighty one point seven

736
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: percent completion percentage.

737
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's even higher if you just focus on

738
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: the wide receivers, they're at like eighty four percent. Yeah,

739
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: which are the harder throws. You think that you complete everything?

740
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: What are people can pay? It's like a seventy seven drill. Yeah,

741
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: you know that's that's what this literally is. And and

742
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: it's you know, this is a really bad defense. Yeah,

743
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: they've earned it. Yeah.

744
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: And there's some bad defenses out there that have five

745
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: or six really got good starters and they're just not

746
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 3: playing well. This team just doesn't have good players on defense.

747
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't take the ball away, they don't sack

748
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: the quarterback.

749
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 3: You know, their pressure rates worse than the league. And

750
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 3: Crosby is a superstar that never leaves the field. And

751
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: I'm really really impressed with them, but he has to

752
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: lead the way.

753
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: Labs is ready if you want to go to.

754
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 3: Him, maybe we should. Donthink Labs is ready to roll.

755
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: Let's say, let's take a let's take a break before

756
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: we do that. He is Matt Williams and I am

757
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: Dale Lollie. You're listening to the drive here on Steelers

758
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: Nation Radio. We'll be back with more right after this.

759
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

760
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

761
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

762
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: Welcome back on Dale, Allie. He is Matt Williamson, and

763
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. We think

764
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: we have our technical issues worked out and we have

765
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: Bob Labriola on the line again. Here, Bob, let's try

766
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: this again.

767
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: Labs for sticking with us. Hey, no problem, I'll stick

768
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: with you guys.

769
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: You even sound better now, Yeah, it sounds more. I

770
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: don't know. Okay, so it sounds like we're okay, Bob.

771
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: But you mentioned that the Steelers offense. Matt and I

772
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 2: were just talking about this. If it doesn't happen this week,

773
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: is it time to start being concerned.

774
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: Or may be stronger than concerned. I'm concerned now right,

775
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: I'm still concerned.

776
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I just think that it might be

777
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: when we get to the end of this season that

778
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: maybe we figure out that, hey, the forty nine Ers

779
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: and Browns defenses are pretty good, and that's part of

780
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: the reason for the struggle.

781
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 3: Start, and you can kind of explain it away that way,

782
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 3: as opposed to boy, this offense is just bad bad.

783
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 2: Did we lose Bob again? Looks like we lost Bob again.

784
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to bail on this, Okay, So I

785
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: guess we won't have Bob today. I don't know what

786
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: to say about that. Oh we tried anyway. So pivot, pivot, pivot,

787
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: Here we go, here we go. So, man, I'm looking

788
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: here at this Raiders defensive Yeah, I mean just that same.

789
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: Some of the names, I mean like they're starters. I

790
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: bet a lot of people listening don't know who a

791
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: lot of these guys are. Yeah, so it's been the

792
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: case for like four years.

793
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: Max Crosby, everybody knows.

794
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the guy to know. And Cohort on the

795
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: other side is a super early rookie pick that could

796
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: be a good player, but he hasn't done anything yet.

797
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: Tyree Wilson, he'll be playing in his third game. If

798
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: he plays, he's questionable.

799
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: Chandler Jones won't play that to people know.

800
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: The defensive tackles, the starters are Jerry Tillery, who's a

801
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: guy that people have heard of, but he hasn't been

802
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: good in three years.

803
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: He was a total washout first round pick. Been one

804
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: of the worst first round picks honestly in the last

805
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: five years.

806
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chargers m Valon Nichols, who we mentioned who.

807
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: Is He's questionable? Question again. They just rotate these guys

808
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 3: through these defensive tacks.

809
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh. The linebackers are Divine the Oblo, Robert Splain

810
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: and Luke Masterson.

811
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Masterson doesn't play a ton you know you've

812
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: mentioned this.

813
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: He's the guy that's not on the field right there

814
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: and there they play.

815
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: They don't play a lot of bass. They play a

816
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: lot of nickel. They play a lot of dime. Now

817
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: you got to be a little careful with that because

818
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: the Bills live in three receiver SAIDs ortingcage, So they

819
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: didn't deal with a lot of heavy personnel. But Denver

820
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 3: does I mean.

821
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: When I when I say that they've played seventeen percent base,

822
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: that's going back all the way to the start of

823
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: the last year.

824
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: Say you said that from last year too, Yeah, so

825
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: this is not something new. Yeah, nineteen games samples like

826
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 3: this is just what they want to do. And Divine

827
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: THEO would be a very useful stealer to me. I mean,

828
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 3: I think he'd be in the mix. He's Kwan Alexander esque.

829
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: You know, wuld be that type of guy with all

830
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: respective Splaine, I don't think you'd have made this team.

831
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: No, he would not have.

832
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: Don't think he would.

833
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: The cornerbacks Nate Hobbes and the ghost of Marcus Peters.

834
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: Right, Hobbs is the better player at this point. Hobbs

835
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: has never left the field. They have three defenders have

836
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: never left the field. Hobbs is one of them. He's fine.

837
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a he's a good football player. He's

838
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 3: not great.

839
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Behind him, you have ja Corean Bennett, the rookie

840
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: out of Maryland who's he's had a speed guy that

841
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: basically chases guys around on the field after they've made

842
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: the catch.

843
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: That's I think that's some Mike pursuit to allowed to say, Hey,

844
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: that kid from Maryland just runs after people after they

845
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: catch balls on him.

846
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: And David Long is the other corner.

847
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 3: You know, it's a good group.

848
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: And then your safeties are Marcus Aps Who's question one,

849
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: Trayvon mohrigg who was was he a former second.

850
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 3: Round super early second round? Yeah?

851
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: When he some first round but he's not I like him.

852
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think he's their second best

853
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: defensive player. Well, who's to say about the ends opposite Crosby.

854
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: But Mo Ring's a good safety, you know, like I

855
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 3: he'd probably start here next to Meca, you know, give

856
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: or take. You know, he's a good player.

857
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: But you know, they don't have enough of those though.

858
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: They have two or two, two or three. And I'm

859
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 3: stretching a little.

860
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 2: That defensive line is I'm sorry, it's cheesysoft.

861
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: And it's real soft. Yeah.

862
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: If the Steelers do not run the football well in

863
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: this game.

864
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 3: Especially if you're there a nickel, shame on them. Yeah, exactly.

865
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 3: It sets up great too. I hate the term established

866
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 3: the run, but I mean if for the season to

867
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: get back on track, to have something to lean on.

868
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I just look at that, and

869
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: then I look at the offense.

870
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 3: From say, you've their ow line pulled up? By chance,

871
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: I do. I have a good idea who they're starting,

872
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: But these are no names besides Colton.

873
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: Colton Miller's the left tackle.

874
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 3: He's they paid him, he's a first round pick.

875
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: He's fine.

876
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a top ten left tackle. He's a

877
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: good player.

878
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: Trent Williams, the right tackle is Jermaine illuminaor.

879
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's interesting Pro Football focus. Let's take it

880
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: as you well, but they have not credited him with

881
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 3: a pressure allowed all year or a sackle.

882
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: Well, that's going to change on Sunday, and.

883
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 3: I'll say, let's see what kind of test you have now.

884
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 3: And I thought he was.

885
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: For the Steeler's sake. Hey, I hope they read the profile.

886
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: Hey he's great. Leave him out there with t J

887
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: Watt one on one. I have had it. Yeah.

888
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 3: So I did a night show with Tim Bens and

889
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 3: Tom Offerman last night and Tim's Buddies with a Raiders

890
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: reporter and he said, the tackles have been really impressive.

891
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: There are a good group of tackles. The interiors junk. Now,

892
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I'm ready to call the right tackle

893
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: a plus player.

894
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: We're not putting Jamaine Illuminor in the Hall of Fame

895
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 2: or even the Pro Bowl yet.

896
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 3: And I know for a fact he's going to get

897
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 3: help galore in this game.

898
00:40:59,000 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

899
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

900
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: And then you're looking at the guards or Dylan Parham

901
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: and Greg Van Roten, with the center being Andre James.

902
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 3: I liked Parham coming out of school. He's kind of

903
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 3: a center guard, third or fourth round pick. He might

904
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 3: be fine, but he hasn't been yet, and the other

905
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: guys are Jags. Yeah, I mean it's it's rough, so

906
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: I mean it comes out quick.

907
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it has to.

908
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: I mean DeVante Adams one of the best receivers in

909
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 3: the league, but they basically have to max protecting things

910
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 3: to get him downfield.

911
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they just they can't do. He's averaging

912
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: a healthy twelve and a half yards for catch this year.

913
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: There's no doubt. I mean, he's he's a problem.

914
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt. An elite route runner, he attacks at

915
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 3: all levels. I assume he'll be one hundred sounds like

916
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: he has no setbacks whatsoever.

917
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about their receiving game. So Adams has

918
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 2: played both games. He has seventeen targets. Yeah, Jacobe Myers

919
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 2: didn't play last week. He has ten, but he's still

920
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 2: second on the team in targets.

921
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: It makes sense.

922
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 2: Number three is Josh Jacobs with nine, and then nobody

923
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: else has more than four.

924
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 3: So they used the second round pick. I'm sure people

925
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: remember Michael Mayer from Notre Dame. He's always on TV,

926
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: even you know our draft coverage. He was an early

927
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: second round pick. And what they have Hooper too, right,

928
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: Hooper's the other tight end, So that's not a bad

929
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 3: tight end room. You got an established, yeah, below average

930
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: dude in Hooper, but he's been around and Mayor a

931
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 3: young athletic almost first round pick. Their tight end target

932
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 3: share is dead last in the league.

933
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 2: They've thrown four passes to those tight ends.

934
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't even use either one of them. And

935
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: they don't even play that many snaps. I mean they've

936
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 3: played several snaps last week without tight ends on the field,

937
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: like twenty personnel. Yeah, so they're not using those guys.

938
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: And it's not like they're helping the block all the

939
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: time because the old line's so bad, you know, I mean,

940
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 3: the tackles have held up.

941
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: And even like the running band, so Josh Jacobs has

942
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 2: handled twenty eight carries.

943
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: But no one else touches the ball.

944
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: The back Zamir White has five, that's it. Jimmy Garoppolo

945
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: has ten for twelve yards, and then they have one

946
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: carry by Trey Tucker who's a wide receiver on and

947
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: then it was a big one for thirty four yards.

948
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: If you look at the running back carries, it's bonkers.

949
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: They've had thirty three carries for seventy yards and now

950
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 2: I'm not a mathematician, but that's barely above two yards

951
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: of carry.

952
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: Jacobs was minus two last year. I mean, his last

953
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: long run this season is zero yards.

954
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: For Scrimma, his long run is seven yards long run.

955
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: Samir White has an eight yard run. Garoppolo has an

956
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: eight yard run even though he has ten carries for

957
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: twelve yards. And then Trey Tucker is that thirty four

958
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: yard run. You take that thirty four yard run out

959
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 2: of the equation.

960
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 3: Right, and that's an end to round receiver kind of

961
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: gadgety Calvin Austin type thing.

962
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: I mean, as a team, they're looking they're.

963
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: Sitting back production eighty two yards. Like I know, this

964
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 3: isn't a direct correlation, but last segment we talked about

965
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 3: the running back production they've allowed. Yeah, if you combine

966
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: that to the running back production that they have, they're

967
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: losing that battle and big way through the worst in

968
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 3: the league by like, well, I mean the Steelers have

969
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: been pretty bad. Yeah, they've got Steelers in that conversation too,

970
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 3: because of all the big games are extremes like that.

971
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 2: But this is not a team you should give up

972
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 2: big runs against, is kind of my point.

973
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 3: Agreed, Agreed to summarize what you said. The ball goes

974
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 3: to Adams, Myers, and Jacobs.

975
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: That's it.

976
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: I mean, guys, it I don't know who the fourth

977
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: scariest guy is. I mean, I have no clue.

978
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: I don't know that they know.

979
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's what they drafted Mayor to be.

980
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: But he hardly plays.

981
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: He's got one catch for two yards.

982
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: Say how many targets he have?

983
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 2: Four?

984
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 3: Maybe?

985
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: I mean Hooper has three catches for forty yards. Everybody

986
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: else on their roster. You got Adams with twelve, Myers

987
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: with nine, Jacobs with nine, Hooper with three, and then

988
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: all the other guys have one.

989
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure last year when Jacobs led the league

990
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 3: in rushing that the discrepancy, I know, this discrepancy from

991
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 3: RB one.

992
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 2: He got like eight of their touches.

993
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 3: The running back share that he got last year was

994
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: probably the highest in the league. You know, in terms

995
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: of snaps and touches for that position. They don't use

996
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 3: anybody else except those dudes.

997
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: How about this?

998
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 3: Are your good players?

999
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: I'm looking here at Pro Football Reference. Jimmy Garoppolo leads

1000
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 2: the Raiders in broken tackles in twenty twenty three with one.

1001
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: With one, no one's broken.

1002
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: Nobody else has broken a tackle on this team, man,

1003
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 2: So give me two seconds.

1004
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 3: I want to find a couple really startling numbers about

1005
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 3: their running game, one of which the you know, the

1006
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: lead story here is Jacob's last year or last week

1007
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: finished with minus two yards rushing. Yeah, he had minus

1008
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: twelve yards rushing after first contact, and he had ten

1009
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: yards rushing without first before first contact. And it's you know,

1010
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: he had minus thirteen yards before contact and eleven yards

1011
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: after contact, and that's his life is just getting smashed. Now,

1012
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 3: how about this. In Week one, his first contact from

1013
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: a defensive player happened half a yard past the line

1014
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: of scrimmage, Like he gets maybe a step.

1015
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: Less than a step, less than a step.

1016
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: Before he got blasted by Denver. Now that's terrible. Last

1017
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 3: week that number went to minus one point eight. So

1018
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 3: he's getting hit like two yards behind the line of

1019
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 3: scrimmage on average.

1020
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: That's essentially somebody almost getting the hand taking the handho.

1021
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 3: Said, there has to be several players that are minus

1022
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: four minus five for that to happen. They're gonna take

1023
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: the hand off.

1024
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: So you attacking the line of scrimmage against these guys.

1025
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: I'm not letting them run, and it basically scares me.

1026
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying with Adam.

1027
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: Let's assume you might not have to, is my point.

1028
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, let's assume though, that Adams and Jacobe Myers

1029
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: are both goes in this game.

1030
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 3: I think they will be.

1031
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: I think I think they will be.

1032
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: Uh.

1033
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: I mean, are you just sending guys, you know, wave

1034
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: and waves at the line of scrimmage and saying, okay,

1035
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: we don't think, we don't know if it's.

1036
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: I think you might be able to be fine.

1037
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: Just because the ball's coming out quick.

1038
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: Ball's coming out quick. I don't know. I don't think

1039
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: I want to sell out to stop the run unless

1040
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 3: that's beating you, because well.

1041
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: It has been beating him. That's the problem Steelers.

1042
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 3: And I didn't study personnel groupings, but I can basically

1043
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: promise you the Bills never played their four three or

1044
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 3: three four.

1045
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: And they still and they still held him to that

1046
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: rushing to.

1047
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 3: Exactly, so you might not have to stack the box,

1048
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: so to speak. I mean, I'm definitely helping on Adams,

1049
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah a lot. I mean he's he's their best player

1050
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 3: on offense by far. He's a top two or three

1051
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: receiver in my opinion.

1052
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's going to be interesting to see how

1053
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: the Steelers defend this and what they do. And again,

1054
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: I think if your offense controls the ball, it doesn't matter.

1055
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: Like you know, I just I.

1056
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 3: Think they will do. They dedicated the run. The Steelers

1057
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: scrapped it in the second half against the Niners, the Raiders.

1058
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 2: They're not going to do that. Yeah, they're gonna stick

1059
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: with it. But if you get them into a game

1060
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: like last week where you've put some points on the board,

1061
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: let's you know, say it's ten nothing, seventeen and thirteen whatever. Uh,

1062
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: if you get some stops early and put points on

1063
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: the board, now, now you've taken that running out of

1064
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: the game.

1065
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed. I mean I would hope they could control

1066
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, that's what you think, particularly pass rush.

1067
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 3: But both sides, we're.

1068
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: Gonna get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

1069
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: I am Dale Lallie. You're listening to the drive here

1070
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with the hour

1071
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Speaker 2: number two, right after this,