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Speaker 1: Can if I am six forty you're listening to the

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Speaker 1: John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: Neil Savadro with you. John is out today. You've got

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Speaker 2: Tim Conway Junior coming up at four o'clock, So go nowhere.

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Speaker 2: Trump planning to withhold all federal funding from sanctuary cities.

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Speaker 2: I hate the term sanctuary city, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it because it makes me think of people like

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Speaker 2: our own governor that kind of like, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: just smug. We're gonna do it our way.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm all for states rights. I get that that's an

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Speaker 2: important part of what we do in these United States,

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Speaker 2: that you're not thinking through it. It's such an emotional thrust.

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Speaker 2: You hear any of a theme with me. Emotions are great,

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Speaker 2: they play a big part in their lives. They get

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Speaker 2: all of that. However, I think that you have to

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Speaker 2: have objective truths to understand emotions. That takes some reason

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Speaker 2: Heaven forbid. So you have President Trump saying that his

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Speaker 2: administration is planning basically to withhold all federal funding from cities,

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Speaker 2: states that have policies limiting law enforcements cooperations so that

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Speaker 2: that cooperation has to deal with federal immigration authorities. I

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Speaker 2: eat ice. I like you know, every time I see

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think that's what they're trying

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Speaker 2: to get. But they have policies. Obviously that limit with

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Speaker 2: California is one of them. Los Angeles of course, and

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Speaker 2: those on the coasts. So the President says, no more sanctuary.

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Speaker 2: They protect the criminals his words, not the victims. They're

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Speaker 2: disgracing our country and being mocked all over the world.

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Speaker 2: Another state of unintended consequences. So the law is interesting

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Speaker 2: and tricky here if you have ever gone down this

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Speaker 2: notion was, hey, they're harboring federal criminals, and that's the

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Speaker 2: first thing. So can you know, is there a place

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Speaker 2: things like immigration laws or cooperation with federal authorities. You know,

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Speaker 2: away some federal authorities. Although that's a that's kind of

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Speaker 2: the second thing would be confederal government actually imposed you know,

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Speaker 2: confused as to how you pick and choose what laws

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Speaker 2: the current law, there are a lot of scholars, legal

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna have to see whether this gets ironed

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Speaker 2: the house. What does this do? Hey, what's this deal?

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Speaker 2: What's this thing?

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Speaker 3: Due?

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Speaker 2: Am I allowed to do this? Either something really interesting

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Speaker 2: it's gonna come out of it, or something really messy?

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned. Is it like Day eighty or something? Stay tuned?

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Speaker 2: All right? Neil Savadra? Here, John is out, stick around

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Speaker 2: more to come go nowhere.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM sixty.

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Speaker 2: Neil Savadra, John Cobelt out today, Tim Conway Junior coming

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Speaker 2: up at four o'clock, So go nowhere. And then you

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Speaker 2: got mo Kelly. Not only can you hear him right

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Speaker 2: on YouTube as well. I watched him the other night.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty fun, you know, kind of cool to uh,

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Speaker 2: to get caught up that way. All right, I have

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Speaker 2: run with me? Debra? Can you run with me? Get

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Speaker 2: deep deep? You have you a philosophical type for you?

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Speaker 2: that's philosophy. Your philosophy is I don't know, nihilism or

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Speaker 2: that we're all negativism. Okay, good, Well I have I

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Speaker 2: have this theory. There's a you ever heard the term

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Speaker 2: EQ like or yeah, like your emotional quotient. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: emotional intelligence is a big deal. I have a thing

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Speaker 2: incredibly powerful tool. Now, I have always liked logic, but

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Speaker 2: American schools haven't stopped. I mean, you can still find logic,

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Speaker 2: you to jump down. Informal logical fallacies are are breakdown

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Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI Am sixty.

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