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Speaker 3: The Red Sox have made Marcelo Meyer available per Chrispintio,
Speaker 3: that would potentially be for pitching. What is the value
Speaker 3: of the asset that is Marcelo Meyer at this very moment.
Speaker 2: I don't think extremely high. I think because I think
Speaker 2: there's a couple of.
Speaker 1: Things with Marcelo Meyer and I when you think about
Speaker 1: the Red Sox in the way that they've kind of
Speaker 1: handled some of the optics and what gets leaked and
Speaker 1: what doesn't, I think other teams are going to do
Speaker 1: their due diligence about just like, is this going to
Speaker 1: be somebody that's going to come in and immediately work
Speaker 1: really hard and do all the things that we want
Speaker 1: to have him overcome the injury concerns that he's had
Speaker 1: and things like that. Like, I think some of the
Speaker 1: team's frustration with Meyer has also kind of been aired
Speaker 1: out a little bit.
Speaker 2: That doesn't really help your case. But I think when you.
Speaker 1: Will get Meyer the player, I had two biggest concerns
Speaker 1: with him as a prospect. One was swing and miss
Speaker 1: and like how it would rear its head at the
Speaker 1: big league level, And was injuries. And I think you've
Speaker 1: seen both of those things be abundantly, you know, evident
Speaker 1: in his big league tenure so far through one hundred
Speaker 1: and fourteen games. So I think he's a really interesting
Speaker 1: second piece and a deal for a really good player
Speaker 1: or in a swap for you know, a lesser big leaguer.
Speaker 2: I think at this point, you know, there used to.
Speaker 1: Be burn resk there because like, what if Marcella Meyer
Speaker 1: figures it all out, You're going to really be upset
Speaker 1: if you moved him for you know, a reliever or
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. I think at this point, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you care as much because I think
Speaker 1: that burn rate becomes a little bit less concerning when
Speaker 1: you still see the injury challenges.
Speaker 2: It's not like he's a.
Speaker 1: Wizard defensively, and though the bats to ball has gotten better,
Speaker 1: you slug in three hundred through seventy games this year.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things he has to overcome,
Speaker 1: and I think he's a change of scenery candidate.
Speaker 3: Gotcha, all right? So we just got news again reported
Speaker 3: by Jeff pass At a ESPN that Elliott Ramos is
Speaker 3: being traded from the San Francisco Giants to the New
Speaker 3: York Yankees. Said, we're going to have to walk the
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Speaker 3: new news immediately, but also catching you up on what
Speaker 3: has happened today. So Peyton Genis, you can kind of
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Speaker 3: built for Elliott Ramos go to the Yanks. But we're
Speaker 3: gonna start with probably the biggest move of the day,
Speaker 3: and it pertains to the Boston Red Sox and the
Speaker 3: team that's dangling Marcelo Meyer. Adlei Rutchman is the newest
Speaker 3: member of the Boston Red Sox. Adlie Rutchman, Jake Rogers,
Speaker 3: another catcher, Trek Scooble's best friend that was just dfaid
Speaker 3: by Detroit and picked up by Baltimore. Rutchman, Rogers and
Speaker 3: a little bit of cash go from Baltimore to Boston.
Speaker 3: The return another catcher, Carlos Norvayez, but the big ticket
Speaker 3: return the top pitching prospect in the Red Sox organization,
Speaker 3: right hander Anthony Ironsen, along with the right hander Kison Witherspoon,
Speaker 3: who was their first round pick last year, Andya Zokar,
Speaker 3: an outfield prospect and then a player to be named later.
Speaker 3: So Craig Breslow pushes the chips in here, Peter, I
Speaker 3: want to start with you. Adlie Rutchman stays in division,
Speaker 3: he goes from Baltimore to Boston. What is your knee
Speaker 3: jerk reaction to that?
Speaker 4: So my knee jerk reaction was, first of all, you
Speaker 4: traded Adlie Rutchman. That in and of itself, like you
Speaker 4: came up with that prediction during our trade deadline prediction.
Speaker 4: It's a nice call, by the way, and it seemed
Speaker 4: even a little bit outlandish, not because it's not understandable
Speaker 4: from the Orioles perspective, in order to trade Adli Rutchman,
Speaker 4: and when you've already extended Samuel Bissillo is kind of
Speaker 4: your catcher of the future. But still the idea of
Speaker 4: trading Adli Rutchman, especially when he's not a rental, when
Speaker 4: he's got a year and a half of control, is
Speaker 4: just rather shocking. And then you tell me you traded
Speaker 4: him in division, you better have gotten a hall. And
Speaker 4: I'll throw it over to Arum about the hall, but
Speaker 4: I know we both agree the O or excuse me,
Speaker 4: the Red Sox had to pay a big indivision tax
Speaker 4: because I wanted Adlee a ton as a Yankees fan.
Speaker 4: But once I saw the return, I was like, all right,
Speaker 4: Red Sox, you earned him, arned them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they paid the indivision tax.
Speaker 1: And I think with the uncertainty around like Baseball next
Speaker 1: year too, it's like, you better hope we got a
Speaker 1: pretty full season. But I think the biggest thing, too,
Speaker 1: is you wonder if the Red Sox feel pretty confident
Speaker 1: that they can extend you know, Adlie Rushman there, and
Speaker 1: if that's something that's that's part of this as well,
Speaker 1: because I just I think with how much you gave
Speaker 1: up here, you got to feel like you've got a
Speaker 1: shot to do that. Because I'm all for buying and
Speaker 1: being aggressive, and I think the Red Sox and the
Speaker 1: way this team has played, should absolutely do that. Adleie
Speaker 1: really elevates his team ceiling and a switch hitter and
Speaker 1: what he brings to the table and the defensive ability
Speaker 1: it goes him working with this pitching staff. There's so
Speaker 1: many exciting wrinkles to this. However, it's a lot. It
Speaker 1: is a lot. It's one of the stronger packages I
Speaker 1: can remember for you know, one and a half years
Speaker 1: of a player here and when you look at like
Speaker 1: you're getting Anthony Jinson to lead it off, and I
Speaker 1: think that's been We talked about him as breakout prospect
Speaker 1: going into this year, kind of everybody did, and then
Speaker 1: he's gone out there and not only broken out, but
Speaker 1: just has done every single thing that you would have
Speaker 1: I think the most bullish people would have hoped for,
Speaker 1: which is the stuff is better, but the command is
Speaker 1: right there, and he's just overwhelming hitters now even at
Speaker 1: the upper levels. The guy that was drafted ahead of him,
Speaker 1: their first round pick, Kyson Witherspoon. It's a really good
Speaker 1: by low opportunity is a first round pick that has
Speaker 1: struggled as the Red Sox tried to clean up his
Speaker 1: delivery a little bit. His arm action is stabby, and
Speaker 1: I think as they tried to smooth it out, it's
Speaker 1: caused him command and consistencies and the field for breaking
Speaker 1: balls hasn't totally been there. But this is a first
Speaker 1: round talent that you're kind of buying low on as
Speaker 1: he struggled that change the scenery, see if you can
Speaker 1: kind of revamp things and get him back to where
Speaker 1: he was. And then India's ocar has huge, huge upside here,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a really fun third piece. Potentially
Speaker 1: we're talking about a bat that at nineteen years old
Speaker 1: has already popped eggs of velosites his highs one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirteen, good field to pull the ball in the
Speaker 1: air that I think is going to translate that into
Speaker 1: potentially easy plus power as he grows. And there's some
Speaker 1: speed athleticism as well. Just those three guys alone are
Speaker 1: a crazy return for a year and a half, badly
Speaker 1: And I get it. Like, I'm not saying it's a
Speaker 1: bad trade, it's just for the O. It's like, if
Speaker 1: you're going to trade in division, this helps justify it
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like Jack, when you saw this trade too, it
Speaker 4: was just it was mind blowing. I think back and
Speaker 4: I was looking at the biggest Indivision trades over the
Speaker 4: last I don't know, twenty twenty five, thirty years, and
Speaker 4: I thought this might be the biggest ever since nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety nine when the Blue Jays traded Roger Clemens to
Speaker 4: the Yankees in exchange for David Wells. Now, there have
Speaker 4: been some big ones along the way, but that it's
Speaker 4: felt like the biggest. To me, Adley is a top
Speaker 4: five catcher in the game, and this hall is massive.
Speaker 4: This is one of the coolest trades I've seen in
Speaker 4: a long time.
Speaker 3: It is cool. I will pump the brakes on being
Speaker 3: the biggest Inner Division trade since Roger Clemens in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety nine because Adley Rutchman is not who Adley Richmond
Speaker 3: once was. He just isn't. Over the last two years.
Speaker 3: It's the three point eight War. He's been on the
Speaker 3: shelf what three separate times this season already you're getting
Speaker 3: damaged goods Adlie. But he's still a very good baseball player,
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that. But is he a catch
Speaker 3: six days a week guy anymore? Doesn't seem like it.
Speaker 3: He hasn't been doing that for Baltimore and Baltimore clearly
Speaker 3: favored the young catcher with the better bat right now
Speaker 3: in Samuelbisio over Adley Ruchman. That's why he was possibly expendable.
Speaker 3: It wasn't well, we're reluctant to deal with Superstar. But
Speaker 3: to your point, there's that intra division tax that you
Speaker 3: have to pay. So again, Addlie Rutchman goes from Baltimore
Speaker 3: to Boston. We've got another big deal that went Anaheim
Speaker 3: to Toronto. And first and foremost, slight golf clap for
Speaker 3: the La Angels getting John mose Lock in there and
Speaker 3: Ardi Moreno giving John mose Lock the ability to move. Guys,
Speaker 3: this is the first time we've ever seen the Angels
Speaker 3: sell when they should have sold fifteen times over the
Speaker 3: course of the last seventeen or eighteen years.
Speaker 1: So do you think that was Perry then that more
Speaker 1: so it was like I want to operate this way,
Speaker 1: or do you think it was more mosay Lock finally
Speaker 1: saying I'm going to change my ways. I'm firing or
Speaker 1: not mosaic excuse me, the already saying I'm gonna change
Speaker 1: my ways. I can't. It's it's like the toxic relationship.
Speaker 1: I need to grow up as a person. I'm getting
Speaker 1: rid of this this bad friend that helps me do
Speaker 1: bad things, and we like and break up with them,
Speaker 1: or just break off with that friend and let me
Speaker 1: bring in somebody better, smarter, more experience, and let's start
Speaker 1: to try to do business.
Speaker 2: The right way here.
Speaker 1: I feel like that was more of what it was like
Speaker 1: Perry was more of a signaling of a new approach
Speaker 1: for Artie, who wowed good self awareness to finally come
Speaker 1: around here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really don't think it was a Perrymanassi and
Speaker 3: John Mozae lock problem. I think Perry probably wanted to
Speaker 3: run the team a little bit different than the way
Speaker 3: Arty Moreno wanted him to run the team. And once
Speaker 3: Arty Moreno fired Perry Manassi and it kind of sort
Speaker 3: of seemed like it was time for an entire overhaul.
Speaker 3: And I think Artie Moreno is understanding of that. Artie Moreno,
Speaker 3: over the course of his life has made a lot
Speaker 3: of money. That means he's made a lot of good
Speaker 3: decision and I think he can probably look himself in
Speaker 3: the mirror and say, we're the butt of every joke
Speaker 3: in baseball right now. We've officially overtaken the Rockies. So
Speaker 3: You've got that going on here, But do want to
Speaker 3: get into that again. We're trying to like toe the
Speaker 3: line of being ready to react to immediate reporting while
Speaker 3: also going back and recapping the best deals of the day.
Speaker 3: Your smiling arm. What just came through?
Speaker 1: I think kind of exactly what I was saying about
Speaker 1: what Marcelo Myers value probably is at this point.
Speaker 2: Traded for a reliever, You nailed it.
Speaker 4: That's why I was waiting for Jack to usher the
Speaker 4: trade because I wanted you to kind of you caught
Speaker 4: the alley oop earlier on to the show, and then
Speaker 4: you just dunked it. He got traded for a reliever.
Speaker 4: I like Eric Miller. I like Eric Miller. He was
Speaker 4: traded for a reliever.
Speaker 3: Interesting, and that's a very crowded infield. I understand Casey
Speaker 3: Schmid's hurt, but fascinating. All right, let's actually talk about
Speaker 3: this Halo deal and then we can circle back on
Speaker 3: Elliott Ramos and Marcelo Meyer. I do want to talk
Speaker 3: about Jose Sorianum going from the La Angels to the
Speaker 3: Toronto Blue Jays. Jose Soriano was one of the more interesting,
Speaker 3: possibly available names on the pitching market this year. And
Speaker 3: Soriano makes his way from Anaheim to Toronto for Argin d'mala,
Speaker 3: their second best prospect Eddie mcletty and right hander on
Speaker 3: hell Rivero as well three Paspec return arm lighton the
Speaker 3: big ticket name here is Argin Damala. Kind of want
Speaker 3: to kick it over to you. First initial thought on
Speaker 3: Soriano joining the Jays and Themala being traded by.
Speaker 2: Toronto, Yeah, kind of surprising, you know.
Speaker 1: I think we thought Toronto might sell nothing crazy, not
Speaker 1: like go nut sell, but sell some rental pieces and
Speaker 1: call it today. But I think they on opportunity to
Speaker 1: position themselves for the next couple seasons and they go
Speaker 1: get Soriano, who I think they're even going to probably
Speaker 1: tweak his usage even a little bit more and maybe
Speaker 1: get away from the four seamer. We'll see what they
Speaker 1: do there, but a guy that's clearly going to bolster
Speaker 1: their rotation for I mean the rest of this season,
Speaker 1: which that doesn't matter as much, and then two more
Speaker 1: after that, maybe they extend and we'll see the biggest
Speaker 1: and most surprising part is you usually just don't see
Speaker 1: prospects of Argent Namala's caliber traded at the deadline, and
Speaker 1: by that, like Yeah, you see some borderline top one
Speaker 1: hundred guys.
Speaker 2: You see like big packages that we've talked about.
Speaker 1: But Namala for us, the top thirty prospect, this guy
Speaker 1: that's going to stick it shortstop.
Speaker 2: He's their former first round pick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's had a little bit of turbulence, which was to
Speaker 1: be expected as one of the youngest players in the
Speaker 1: draft class, but has just continued to get better and
Speaker 1: was a big riser for us, as we talked about
Speaker 1: on the call up, because he added more power, the
Speaker 1: bats of ball got better, the approach got better, and
Speaker 1: he had settled into it now double a in his
Speaker 1: age twenty season where he's been really productive. A little
Speaker 1: bit of a hamstring issue, you know, delayed a bit
Speaker 1: of that, but has been back and swinging yet again.
Speaker 2: So when you have plus raw.
Speaker 1: Power the ability to stick it short, that's not a
Speaker 1: guy that I feel like a team is quick to
Speaker 1: move off of. And that was surprising for me. I
Speaker 1: get that you're getting two and a half year, two
Speaker 1: and thirty years here of Soriana, but this year is
Speaker 1: kind of wiped out, so I was a bit surprised.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, they upgraded their
Speaker 1: big league team, and you know, Namal is still a
Speaker 1: year plus away. And I think this was as good
Speaker 1: of a get for the Angels though. And this is
Speaker 1: just the Angels operating, which is exciting. We've talked about
Speaker 1: it with the Rockies, like seeing them just operate, seeing
Speaker 1: the Angels operate here. John mose look had some of
Speaker 1: his shortcomings in Saint Louis. It felt like the game
Speaker 1: kind of passed them by a little bit. But the
Speaker 1: guy knows the process, he knows how to do things,
Speaker 1: and compared to what they were doing before and Anaheim,
Speaker 1: this is a signal.
Speaker 2: Of I think better days ahead for Angels fans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Peter, what do you think about the fit of
Speaker 3: Jose Soriano going from Anaheim to Toronto when Soriano is
Speaker 3: controllable for two more years beyond this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really commend GM Ross Atkins for a deal
Speaker 4: like this because I think a lot of gms, especially
Speaker 4: those on teams that had high expectations and then kind
Speaker 4: of fell down and don't look like a playoff team.
Speaker 4: Per Fang Grafts, the Blue Jays only have about a
Speaker 4: six percent chance of making the playoffs, So a lot
Speaker 4: of those gms might just say all right, We'll sell
Speaker 4: off expiring pieces and go get him next year. But
Speaker 4: ross Akins said, I'm not going to be put in
Speaker 4: this arbitrary buyer or seller bucket. I'm going to make
Speaker 4: the best moves for my team moving forward. And I
Speaker 4: think this was a great move and it sets up
Speaker 4: a really strong rotation next year with Dylan Ceese at
Speaker 4: the top, Jose Soriano, Trey Is Savage, and then they're
Speaker 4: going to get Cody Ponce back as well. And I
Speaker 4: think there was also a move Dalton Varshow in exchange
Speaker 4: for Spencer Arraghetty, so maybe he's there five. So I
Speaker 4: really appreciate Atkins. Isn't just your normal seller, right he
Speaker 4: gave away Gosman. He could have said all right, deadline
Speaker 4: over or traded away Varshow and just kind of gotten
Speaker 4: a little bit complacent, but he said, no, we still
Speaker 4: have an elite team here. We went to the freaking
Speaker 4: World Series last year and I'm going to continue to
Speaker 4: build and Soriano Argientamal is a great piece. But they
Speaker 4: also have Jojo Parker who could potentially be their shortstop
Speaker 4: of the future as well. Not sure about that. I
Speaker 4: want to throw that over to Arum just at least
Speaker 4: another shortstop of note, So I really like the move
Speaker 4: from Atkins.
Speaker 3: Arm quick pushback from you on the Parkernmala conversation, and
Speaker 3: then I want to cap the Blue Jay thought.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've saw that point made by a few And
Speaker 1: my thing with that is, like, if you're trading an
Speaker 1: upper minors shortstop prospect.
Speaker 2: Because you have a low way.
Speaker 1: Shortstop prospect that's swinging it pretty well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like if that would be the best process. I think
Speaker 1: this was just them really just wanting Jose Soriano and
Speaker 1: maybe it's a little bit easier just knowing that at
Speaker 1: least you have somebody else that can really, you know,
Speaker 1: project into that guy. But I still have some concerns
Speaker 1: if Parker can stick it short like in Namala is
Speaker 1: an above average shortstop. But I agree with everything Peter
Speaker 1: said in terms of like the process for the Jays here,
Speaker 1: and this is a team that is not all that
Speaker 1: different from the team that made it to the World
Speaker 1: Series and almost won it, Like with some of these
Speaker 1: bolstered pieces here and just this season's loss, a lot
Speaker 1: of shit didn't go their way. Running it back next
Speaker 1: year with a little bit of a better luck and
Speaker 1: then the year after that with the same core that
Speaker 1: got there. Yeah, you lost a couple of small pieces,
Speaker 1: but you tap able to jolt it like this, I
Speaker 1: think is exciting and there I guess they're hoping that
Speaker 1: they're going to be able to replenish a little bit
Speaker 1: of the farm system with some of the smaller trades.
Speaker 1: It's a steep price to pay, but if Jose Soriano
Speaker 1: is a mid rotation starter for you for the next
Speaker 1: two years after this, I think it's worth it, assuming
Speaker 1: that the blue Jays are remotely competitive, which is ultimately
Speaker 1: the expectation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, real quick, just want to tie a bow on
Speaker 3: the blue Jay thought, because I think Peter hit the
Speaker 3: nail on the head, like this was certainly the blip
Speaker 3: in the radar season, and there were a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of things that went wrong right away, Like mind you,
Speaker 3: the blue Jay slide. This season was effectively shot at
Speaker 3: the beginning of the year, and they had this climb
Speaker 3: back to relevance and then this stooped down a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, but April did them in. And it
Speaker 3: goes back to like the age old adage, you can't
Speaker 3: win a division in April. But you can certainly lose
Speaker 3: a division in April, and Toronto lost a division in April,
Speaker 3: and it was injury related, right, No, you Savage for
Speaker 3: the first couple of months really stunk. Ponce getting hurt
Speaker 3: right away, really stunk Alejandro Kirk getting hurt right away,
Speaker 3: Springer getting hurt right away. They had so many guys
Speaker 3: in that lineup that got hurt, while Okamoto was underwhelming
Speaker 3: for the first month and a half of his career,
Speaker 3: and then Vladdie, I mean, Vladdy hasn't hit the ball
Speaker 3: out of the ballpark. And you think that that's coming
Speaker 3: to correct itself next year. You will see a better
Speaker 3: version of the Blue Jays next year. I promise you.
Speaker 3: This was the tenth percentile outcome this year of the
Speaker 3: Toronto Blue Jays. And if we get the sixtieth percentile,
Speaker 3: they're a wild card team, no doubt, and they're probably
Speaker 3: competing for second that division. And if we get the
Speaker 3: seventy fifth or eightieth percentile next year, especially with Soriano
Speaker 3: and Ponce and Sees and Y Savage, that can be
Speaker 3: a really dangerous team and a World Series caliber team
Speaker 3: as soon as next year. Take us to one of
Speaker 3: the newer moves here the Yankees. They finally do something
Speaker 3: to address the offense. Mark fine Stand reported the New
Speaker 3: York Yankees. The New York Yankees they not only acquired
Speaker 3: Luis Garcia Junior yesterday last night, they also go and
Speaker 3: get Elliott Ramos from the San Francisco Giants. So Elliott
Speaker 3: Ramos is officially a New York Yankee. Henry l Lane
Speaker 3: is going to be the primary prospect in the return.
Speaker 3: Elliott Ramos is a masher, particularly against left handed pitching.
Speaker 3: He brings some thump to that lineup, Peter, where do
Speaker 3: your concerns sit with Elliott ramos.
Speaker 4: Defense and his ability to hit right handed pitching? And
Speaker 4: he's one of those players too where where when you
Speaker 4: watch him enough consistently, Consistency is not a part of
Speaker 4: his game. It's a lot of ebbs and flows. However,
Speaker 4: at the top of the mountain, he could be a really,
Speaker 4: really solid player and provide a ton of explosion at
Speaker 4: the plate. But at the bottom he's swinging and missing
Speaker 4: too much, and the defense has I've seen some horrific
Speaker 4: plays out there in left field. But the Yankees they're
Speaker 4: not acquiring Elliott Ramos to be their everyday left fielder.
Speaker 4: They're acquiring Elliott Ramos to be a soft, slide, soft
Speaker 4: side of the platoon bat and against left handed pitching.
Speaker 4: This season, he's rocking a one to twenty seven WRC plus,
Speaker 4: which means he's been twenty seven percent above the league
Speaker 4: average rate against left handed pitching, which is exactly what
Speaker 4: the Yankees need. And I was a little bit surprised
Speaker 4: to see Henry Lallane as the main prospect in this deal.
Speaker 4: I think the Giants are getting a really good, young
Speaker 4: pitching prospect, but then you have to remember that Elliott
Speaker 4: Romos comes with what three and a half years of control,
Speaker 4: and he's really cheap as well. But ultimately, I thought
Speaker 4: the Giants did pretty well here, and I feel like
Speaker 4: the Yankees the clock is running out on them on
Speaker 4: their ability to acquire a right handed bat. Don't love
Speaker 4: this one, don't. I don't hate it.
Speaker 3: I don't love it either, arm as disagreement on something
Speaker 3: you said.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's just one of those where it's
Speaker 1: like that you're gonna have to kind of bargain ben
Speaker 1: shot for right handers.
Speaker 2: At this point, there's just not that many right handed.
Speaker 1: Bats out there, so I don't hate like the creativity,
Speaker 1: and if they gave up somebody more and more impactful,
Speaker 1: I get it. What's interesting is is Lelane has a
Speaker 1: lot there's a lots of dream on there, but like
Speaker 1: emphasis on the dream side. Now he's taking a big
Speaker 1: step forward here, and I think when you look at
Speaker 1: the the Giants organization and what you can bring to
Speaker 1: the table here, it's the exact kind of guy you
Speaker 1: want to probably get in a deal like this, but
Speaker 1: giving out cheap he is and and you know, maybe
Speaker 1: they can unlock something the Yankees with with Ramos or
Speaker 1: help him improve in some areas. I think it's at
Speaker 1: least interesting from that perspective. Lane has had a really
Speaker 1: nice year. Injuries have limited him and and have also
Speaker 1: caused the velocity to fluctuate.
Speaker 2: This guy's six foot seven two and eleven pounds.
Speaker 1: He's definitely gotten stronger this year as he's gotten healthier,
Speaker 1: and his fastball is up two ticks so now averaging
Speaker 1: ninety four miles per hour.
Speaker 2: He gets good extension down the mount obviously with.
Speaker 1: How big he is, and the secondaries have been a
Speaker 1: work in progress, but that the change up has always
Speaker 1: been there for him, and that's a pitch that I
Speaker 1: feel like has gotten a lot better this year as well,
Speaker 1: feel wise, and then he's trying to find that breaking ball.
Speaker 2: It's just not as much.
Speaker 1: He's clearly a pronator, but the fastball change up combination
Speaker 1: from a six to seven lefty is really fun to
Speaker 1: kind of dream on. He's twenty two years old, still
Speaker 1: hasn't pitched above high A, but he had a lot
Speaker 1: of success at low way and it started to settle in.
Speaker 2: At high A. So I think it's a fun get
Speaker 2: for the Giants.
Speaker 1: But one, if you're the Yankees, I don't think you're
Speaker 1: losing a ton of sleepover. It's probably a player that
Speaker 1: you know when you look at all of the arms
Speaker 1: that the Yankees have, not the end of the world
Speaker 1: to keep trading a.
Speaker 3: Few another fun one that Peyton just fleshed up on
Speaker 3: the screen. If you're with us on YouTuber x, and
Speaker 3: thank you all very much for again joining us here
Speaker 3: on our MLB draft or on not our MLB draft,
Speaker 3: on our MLB Trade deadline live stream. I can't conflate
Speaker 3: all the live streams. Man Ken Rosenthal reporting the Brewers
Speaker 3: are working to acquire reliever Antonio Senzatela from the Colorado Rockies.
Speaker 3: This is about forty five minutes removed from Milwaukee going
Speaker 3: to acquire Dustin May and Jojo Romero from the Saint
Speaker 3: Louis Cardinals. So an interesting one that we can dissect momentarily.
Speaker 3: I do want to take us to one of the
Speaker 3: more disappointing deadlines. Credit to you, Peter Apple, the Atlanta Braves.
Speaker 3: We have thirty minutes to go until the MLB trade
Speaker 3: deadline at six pm Eastern time. But the Atlanta Braves
Speaker 3: have been active. But just how active is this? The
Speaker 3: Braves acquire Tyler Malley from San Francisco for right hander
Speaker 3: Anthony Molina. They acquire lefty bullpen arm Brent Souiter from
Speaker 3: the Angels for Nacho Alvarez Junior. And they also go
Speaker 3: and get Lane Thomas and Bailey Falter from the Royals
Speaker 3: for Lucas Brow and Carter Holton. There's not much sex
Speaker 3: appeal here for the Atlanta Braves, like if they were
Speaker 3: gonna go be a big swinger, this is not the
Speaker 3: deadline you want to see if you're Braves fans. Again,
Speaker 3: there's thirty minutes left. They can go do something much bigger,
Speaker 3: But Atlanta, you're right, Peter, this is just kind of
Speaker 3: a dud from them at this deadline. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The reason I made this prediction was I was looking
Speaker 4: at the Braves roster and I said, all right, the
Speaker 4: Braves don't actually need anything, which means Alexanthopolis is not
Speaker 4: going to trade from his farm system in order to
Speaker 4: get big time pieces, because that's what Alexanthopolis does. And
Speaker 4: I go back and forth on him because on one hand,
Speaker 4: I fully recognize what an incredible job he's done overall
Speaker 4: with the Braves, but then at the same time, I
Speaker 4: can understand Braves fans' frustrations where they feel like he
Speaker 4: never does the big time move, the big swing, right,
Speaker 4: and the Dodgers are making big swing. There's other teams
Speaker 4: who are making big swings. We just talked about the
Speaker 4: Adley deal right where it was a quote unquote overpay.
Speaker 4: Other teams are overpaying, but they're getting the guy and
Speaker 4: they're trying to make a run at the playoffs, while
Speaker 4: the Braves are making the model win type moves, the
Speaker 4: bargain bin moves. Well, we think we can get more
Speaker 4: out of this guy who's pitched to a thirteen era
Speaker 4: this season, And that was my worry with the Braves
Speaker 4: because unless they absolutely needed something, I said, they're probably
Speaker 4: not going to do much then and now it's not nothing.
Speaker 4: Lane Thomas is a nice addition, right, he could certainly
Speaker 4: hit left hand handed pitching. They'll slot in nicely to
Speaker 4: their outfield. We said that was one of their needs.
Speaker 4: They got a starting pitcher, Tyler Mallley, who did look
Speaker 4: good in his last start, like he does slot into
Speaker 4: the back end of their rotation. But I think Jack
Speaker 4: when we were an arm two, when we were all
Speaker 4: having the discussion about the Braves, we wanted it too
Speaker 4: because we thought relying so fully Spencer Schwellenbach to come
Speaker 4: back from full health is putting a lot on him.
Speaker 4: So we were hoping they would make a big swing,
Speaker 4: even for a Casey mice right, But instead they get
Speaker 4: Tyler Malley. And I feel like they have seven Tyler
Speaker 4: Malley's in house. Am I wrong?
Speaker 3: Are them?
Speaker 4: Don't they have seven of these guys? Yeah?
Speaker 2: They do.
Speaker 1: And that's why I just kind of felt like it
Speaker 1: might just be an ing z eating, like just just
Speaker 1: insurance policy move, and they just that we haven't seen
Speaker 1: anything else yet. I'm still holding my breath, like myes
Speaker 1: felt like the perfect fit, and I still feel like
Speaker 1: there's some sort of world where that happens at the deadline,
Speaker 1: so like, we got another twenty seven minutes here, so
Speaker 1: I'm curious. But yeah, it does just kind of feel
Speaker 1: like that classic Braves deadline where they make some of
Speaker 1: those secondary additions to just kind of help bolster them
Speaker 1: for the rest of the regular season run and they
Speaker 1: trust in their guys.
Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 3: has just dropped on us Foster Griffin, who signed a
Speaker 3: one year deal coming over from Japan in All Star
Speaker 3: for the Washington Nationals this year, and it was reported
Speaker 3: by Buster Only a ESPN that they could be interested
Speaker 3: the Washington Nationals in working out extension with Foster Griffin.
Speaker 3: The slide right before the deadline per Robert Murray sends
Speaker 3: Foster Griffin from Washington to Cleveland. Cleveland, mind you, is
Speaker 3: the only team in Major League Baseball that hasn't used
Speaker 3: a sixth starting pitcher this year. They've had five guys
Speaker 3: start a baseball game for them. They have had supreme health,
Speaker 3: and they add an All Star starting pitcher to the fold.
Speaker 3: My initial thought is do they go six man rotation here?
Speaker 3: My other thought is, holy smokes, Cleveland looks good right now.
Speaker 3: Griffin is a blast to watch, just perform surgery on
Speaker 3: the mound every fifth day.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad the Guardians made this move because one,
Speaker 4: isn't Foster Griffin the most Cleveland Guardians pitcher you've ever seen?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: I don't think Messik to Griffin will be the most
Speaker 2: frustrating series of all time and obviously if Gavin Williams
Speaker 2: leading to notf but I'm thinking about those two lefties
Speaker 2: would drive me insane.
Speaker 3: Is the best and then you got can Tillo is
Speaker 3: like this wild card out of the pen. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be so much fun.
Speaker 4: And you know what, we gave a golf clap to
Speaker 4: the Angels for finally, you know, going in that type
Speaker 4: of direction. How about the Cleveland freaking guardians.
Speaker 3: Like Joe Adelin, Foster.
Speaker 4: And Foster Griffin. And that's what I'm talking about, guardians
Speaker 4: like we want to go win this shit. So I
Speaker 4: think it's a great job by Cleveland. I'm just curious
Speaker 4: what the return is for Foster Griffin because like Jack
Speaker 4: All Star having a fantastic season, what are the Nationals
Speaker 4: going to get in return? I want to see to
Speaker 4: Bony cook.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's been cooking, mind you, so really fun here,
Speaker 3: arm What do you make of Foster Griffin's year? Do
Speaker 3: you see sustainability?
Speaker 1: I feel like I was waiting for like month, two,
Speaker 1: month three in there for that to start to like
Speaker 1: just for him to regress a little bit, and I
Speaker 1: just don't think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: We've seen now.
Speaker 1: I think a large enough sample size where the stuff
Speaker 1: is just good enough, when paired with the surgical aspect
Speaker 1: of his ability in the man that you mentioned Jack,
Speaker 1: that he's just going to be incredibly consistent, and when
Speaker 1: you paired just the field of pitch that he has
Speaker 1: the deep bag of offerings. I mean, it's like there's
Speaker 1: six different offerings that he can come at you with
Speaker 1: maybe a seventh that whole technically throwing there. And even
Speaker 1: when he doesn't have it that day with one of
Speaker 1: his offerings, he can pivot to another one and execute.
Speaker 2: So I love this get for the Guardians.
Speaker 1: It raises their ceiling too, because he's better than I
Speaker 1: don't know who gets displaceds at Cantillo.
Speaker 2: Would it be Cantillo that gets displaced?
Speaker 3: I think, would it be Secconi?
Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, probably say Jacconi.
Speaker 1: You move him out of the rotation, raises the ceiling
Speaker 1: in that rotation, and now you've got three different guys
Speaker 1: that you feel really good about getting the ball, and
Speaker 1: then of course still a fourth solid one.
Speaker 3: Four players reportedly going back to Washington from Cleveland for
Speaker 3: Foster Griffin, so excited to see who those four players are. Also,
Speaker 3: Peyton will allow you time to build out the graphic.
Speaker 3: But the Minnesota Twins, Peters Twins getting Jeff Hoffman from
Speaker 3: the Toronto Blue Jays. Damn, they're going in. We talked
Speaker 3: about the Braves and their disappointing deadline. It was pretty
Speaker 3: disappointing for Philly until this morning when they go and
Speaker 3: get the premier bat to ball guy in Major League
Speaker 3: Baseball and Luisa Rise, Luisa Rise and a reliever that
Speaker 3: throws one hundred miles an hour in Caleb Killian. Arise
Speaker 3: and Killian go from San Francisco to Philadelphia for Ramone.
Speaker 3: Marquez and Marty gare two right handed pitching relievers. Arm
Speaker 3: you think Marquez is really good, and I want to
Speaker 3: tee you up for that in a moment here. But
Speaker 3: Arise creates this puzzle, like this jigsaw puzzle that has
Speaker 3: been sorted out reportedly. I think it was toddz Aleki
Speaker 3: that reported this. Bryce Harper brought his outfield glove on
Speaker 3: the last road trip. Harper's going to be pivoting back
Speaker 3: to right field or left field. Harper's going to be
Speaker 3: playing the corner outfield. Bryceon Stott is going to make
Speaker 3: the pivot from second base to third base and Alec
Speaker 3: Baum is going to go corner to corner. He was
Speaker 3: the third baseman. Bom is now going to play first
Speaker 3: base for the Philadelphia Philly So again it's going to
Speaker 3: be Bom at first, Arise at second, Trey Turner remains
Speaker 3: at short stot at third, and Bryce Harper goes to
Speaker 3: the corner outfield. Before we get into the Arise fit
Speaker 3: in Philly, which I feel like is a slam dunk. Personally,
Speaker 3: arm who is Ramone Marquez.
Speaker 2: This has been one of the breakout pitching prospects in baseball.
Speaker 1: Here, and I honestly think they had to tack on
Speaker 1: Killian just to be able to get Marquez back in
Speaker 1: this deal, because Killian's a sneaky get in this.
Speaker 2: In this like, he's not insignificant given that you know
Speaker 2: he's pitched at.
Speaker 1: Leverage for the Giants and you've got five years of
Speaker 1: control with that, I really think they had to attack
Speaker 1: him on. They probably didn't want to move him to
Speaker 1: be able to get a pitcher like Marquez. Marquez's fastballs
Speaker 1: ticked up one point five miles per hour this year,
Speaker 1: so he's now sitting in the mid nineties. That's always
Speaker 1: huge for a guy that has an elite change up,
Speaker 1: so now you have that velocity separation. Marquez's changed up,
Speaker 1: it's like a freaking screwball out of that release point
Speaker 1: and it's like fourteen to fifteen miles per hour of
Speaker 1: separation there and it just falls off the table. Punts
Speaker 1: are heading below one hundred against Marquez's change up this season,
Speaker 1: and with the uptick in velocity, it's also made his
Speaker 1: kind of cutterish slider sharper and more effective as well.
Speaker 1: So you have the better fastball, you have the elite
Speaker 1: change up, you have that cutter ofsh slider as well,
Speaker 1: and a good field to pitch. Going into this like
Speaker 1: month or going into July, we wrote up the Giant System,
Speaker 1: crazy fun bats, high upside guys that you say, Wow,
Speaker 1: the system's really improved, especially if these guys can figure
Speaker 1: it out, you know, at the lower levels.
Speaker 2: But they need more pitching, especially upper level right handed pitching.
Speaker 1: They go out and get Jackson four in the draft,
Speaker 1: they get two other high upside arms with their second
Speaker 1: and third picks, and then now they add in Marquez here.
Speaker 1: This is one of the most rapidly like rising and
Speaker 1: strong systems. Now, all of a sudden, in Baseball. I
Speaker 1: know it's been a horrible loss season for Giants fans
Speaker 1: and for the Giants, but at the very least this
Speaker 1: system was already had as much momentum as any You
Speaker 1: add some of these guys to the fold two, this
Speaker 1: is a really balanced, now and exciting system.
Speaker 3: Peter, what do you think about Dave Dombrowski trading a
Speaker 3: breakout pitching prospect to go and get a rental a
Speaker 3: Rise who changes the fabric of this lineup drastically.
Speaker 4: Well, that's why Arm is so great, because I didn't
Speaker 4: know much about this pitching prospect. And then I'm watching
Speaker 4: those highlights that podcast Pe put up there, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: that is a nightmare for hitters. You see that tunnel Arm,
Speaker 4: Like it's from the same exact Arm, and he's got
Speaker 4: the slider, and he's got the changeup and he's got
Speaker 4: the fastball, and it just feels like, at least again
Speaker 4: just from watching that video, the guys aren't ready for it.
Speaker 4: So for the Phillies or excuse me, the Giants, to
Speaker 4: get a piece who looks as good as he just did,
Speaker 4: I'm impressed. But on the Phillies side, on the major
Speaker 4: league side, the Phillies desperately needed a bat. It's kind
Speaker 4: of that same conversation that we had with the Yankees
Speaker 4: and Luis Garcia, where you thought, wait, where's he gonna play?
Speaker 4: You figure it out, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: the Philadelphia Phillies ranked twenty ninth and on base percentage
Speaker 4: this season twenty ninth Luisa Riaz three sixty OBP right
Speaker 4: batting average, they ranked twenty third. Luisa Riaz, he's hitting
Speaker 4: three twenty three thirty. So it's a bat that can
Speaker 4: set the table at the top for guys like Bryce
Speaker 4: Harper and Kyle Schwarber because Trey Turner ain't cutting it
Speaker 4: at the top of the lineup right, But maybe you
Speaker 4: move Turner back in the lineup a little bit. I
Speaker 4: don't know exactly what they are going to do, but
Speaker 4: Luisa rise just simply looking at the bat is a
Speaker 4: perfect fit inside the Phillies lineup. Now, defensively, that's where
Speaker 4: I'm not sure I even put out you know on
Speaker 4: Twitter that I wouldn't be shocked. I don't think this
Speaker 4: is going to happen, but I think it would be
Speaker 4: at least interesting to try if you actually put Trey
Speaker 4: Turner out there in center field, and you move Bryson
Speaker 4: Stott over to shortstop. Stott is I think would be
Speaker 4: a much better defensive shortstop than Trey Turner has been
Speaker 4: this season with negative fourteen defensive run saved and negative
Speaker 4: eight outs above average. If Turner can't field a position,
Speaker 4: put him out there in center. But I'm texting arm
Speaker 4: about that and You're like, and he's like, so we're
Speaker 4: going to give Trey Turner a crash course on centerfield
Speaker 4: in August. And I'm like, well, yeah, that's probably not
Speaker 4: a good idea. But then I would argue, is it
Speaker 4: a good idea to keep rolling him out there at shortstop?
Speaker 4: So regardless, the Phillies are going to figure out defensive
Speaker 4: positioning and even our friend the Warmongerer, who does great
Speaker 4: work on X make sure that you follow him really
Speaker 4: in depth on the defensive side.
Speaker 1: And oh, he's amazing. He's amazing. He has answered so
Speaker 1: many questions for me. I've had players ask me questions
Speaker 1: about defensive metrics.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I go straight to him and relay
Speaker 2: the message back and.
Speaker 1: He agreed with me. So that was like, wait, I
Speaker 1: did I saw that? And I was like, I gotta
Speaker 1: walk it back a little bit.
Speaker 4: But but but it's it's it is jarring because you're
Speaker 4: telling a short stuff to just go learn center field.
Speaker 1: Who's already struggling to figure out how to get it
Speaker 1: going at the plate.
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, try to figure it out in
Speaker 2: center too.
Speaker 4: But he's not a rookie though he's tree freaking turner.
Speaker 4: Couldn't you figure it out? But regardless, you're adding Luisa
Speaker 4: rise to bat. That is the most that's the most important.
Speaker 4: The Phillies, they'll figure out defensive positioning. That's the least
Speaker 4: of our worries. We got to hit.
Speaker 2: This lineup.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And does that oh.
Speaker 1: My gosh, the fact that you can just instead of
Speaker 1: the big boppers at the top, that you have just
Speaker 1: another quality at bat to just add there, and and
Speaker 1: the opportunities and the way that he could potentially set
Speaker 1: the table you mentioned obp but for him setting the
Speaker 1: table like you can provide protection in front of some
Speaker 1: of these power guys too, And I think that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a big part of it as well. So I'm
Speaker 1: really interested to see how they set up the lineup
Speaker 1: after that. But it affords a lot of opportunity there
Speaker 1: for Mattingly and for the Phillies, and I think he's
Speaker 1: going to be a great spark.
Speaker 3: You know. I think, like in terms of a new
Speaker 3: school thought, that a Rise doesn't need to hit leadoff here,
Speaker 3: Like a Rise was obviously in the top two of
Speaker 3: the Giant lineup pretty much every single game this year.
Speaker 3: But I'm thinking, if you have Luisa Rise hitting fifth
Speaker 3: in this lineup, that does so much. Because there are
Speaker 3: some decent obp guys at the top, it's been the
Speaker 3: bottom half of the Philly lineup that has tanked their
Speaker 3: numbers to the point where they're twenty ninth in baseball
Speaker 3: and on base Like they were running out a thirty
Speaker 3: four year old, thirty five year old JT Realmuto, who
Speaker 3: is a shell of what JT was a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 4: They're still going to run him out there though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they're still running him out there, but for
Speaker 3: two more years after this one. Yeah, when JT was hurt,
Speaker 3: I mean, you were looking at Rafael Marshawn, who I
Speaker 3: think so I think his ops started with a two,
Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken, and then Garrett Stubbs as well,
Speaker 3: so like it was a bad situation. And then Crawford
Speaker 3: has not been that good in center field, at least
Speaker 3: from an offensive production standpoint, and they've had other guys
Speaker 3: that have been very underwhelming, like boem Is ticked up
Speaker 3: over the last month and a half two months. Oh man,
Speaker 3: how about this from Derek Gold. I believe this Saint
Speaker 3: Louis post dispatch. Ali Marmould just walked out to bring
Speaker 3: back Lars Newtbar from batting practice and he's getting hugs
Speaker 3: from coach John Jay and others. So Lars Newbar is
Speaker 3: going to be on the move. We will find out
Speaker 3: very shortly. Yeah, man, I think this Philly lineup construction
Speaker 3: could be very interesting, and I think having a rise
Speaker 3: in a place to drive in runs could also be
Speaker 3: a fascinating wrinkle to this. Before we move on to
Speaker 3: the next trade, I also want a golf clatt Brice Harper,
Speaker 3: because Harper now on several different occasions, has actively made
Speaker 3: a pivot to better the Philadelphia Phillies. He went from
Speaker 3: the corner outfield to first base to help them win
Speaker 3: and to give them more flexibility when his arm is
Speaker 3: not one hundred percent. And now he's saying, you know what,
Speaker 3: we get a shot to get a rise and retool
Speaker 3: our infield shit. Let me grab the outfield glove and
Speaker 3: let me push back into the corner outfield spot. I
Speaker 3: think he's very, very selfless when it comes to things
Speaker 3: like that, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: But to that point, I'm really interested to see what
Speaker 1: he looks like defensively. What is the first time in
Speaker 1: the outfields in twenty twenty two, didn't even play a
Speaker 1: ton of outfield even in twenty twenty two. That's going
Speaker 1: to be a big I think wrinkling this whole thing
Speaker 1: too in terms of how much better or worse the
Speaker 1: defense will be with this shuffle is how ultimately he
Speaker 1: looks in the outfield.
Speaker 2: But I think we might have just got our braves
Speaker 2: move real quick.
Speaker 4: Do we bring him back to the Juco days, put
Speaker 4: him behind the dish.
Speaker 3: Also the edge, and then on the hill pumping ninety six?
Speaker 4: Oh that'd be sick. Bryce Harper wouldn't even know how
Speaker 4: to squat anymore. But he's still got that arm. All
Speaker 4: I'm saying is, you know, think creatively. That's what I'm
Speaker 4: trying to do.
Speaker 3: Putting trades over in center field Peyton. If we have
Speaker 3: a visual for Lars newt Bar, we can run that.
Speaker 3: If not, we can move on to the next deal.
Speaker 3: Let me know. No, he's saying, I have no idea.
Speaker 3: I think Arm, Could you have gotten duped by the
Speaker 3: comments or no?
Speaker 2: Do they get duped for what?
Speaker 3: All right, let's pivot to the next trade that we
Speaker 3: got to talk about here that went down a couple
Speaker 3: of hours ago. Staying in the National leagueese, but kind
Speaker 3: of going the other way. Liam Hicks is traded from
Speaker 3: the Miami Marlins to the Tampa Bay Rays. Liam Hicks
Speaker 3: who's played a lot of first base in DHS of late,
Speaker 3: but still catching once or twice a week. Braden Taylor,
Speaker 3: former first round pick, along with a couple other guys,
Speaker 3: go back to the Miami Marlins, Jacob Kissing, a right
Speaker 3: handed pitcher, and then Adrian Santana who has had some
Speaker 3: prospect pedigree as an infielder as well. Arm lighton three
Speaker 3: prospects in return for a Rule five pick last year
Speaker 3: will be a breakout mat this year in Liam Hicks.
Speaker 3: What was your take on the return?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, first, just heck of a process there by
Speaker 1: the Marlins and Bendix to turn a Rule five pick
Speaker 1: into you know what He's given them value wise over
Speaker 1: the last year and a half and then also the return,
Speaker 1: but you no, I did think that Liam Hicks was.
Speaker 2: Worth a little bit more than this return.
Speaker 1: I know some out there really like it, especially if
Speaker 1: you really like defense. This is a very We've seen
Speaker 1: it with Bendix.
Speaker 2: These are like model players.
Speaker 1: And by that I mean defense, some contact skills and
Speaker 1: you know, some speed as the carrying tools, but there
Speaker 1: might be some other flaws in the game, and when
Speaker 1: you watch them, you're not totally sure if that's going
Speaker 1: to completely translate. Britain Taylor is getting his third taste
Speaker 1: of double A. He's breaking out this year in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways and having a great year, but still
Speaker 1: struggling against spin. The evs are a little bit lighter
Speaker 1: than the power numbers would suggest, so that is a
Speaker 1: little bit of a concern with me.
Speaker 2: Santana is just a classic, you know fit for the Marlins.
Speaker 1: Who loves Starling Cobba. They get a guy that I
Speaker 1: think is very similarly coded. Great back to ball switch hitter,
Speaker 1: can run South Florida kid I think will stick it short,
Speaker 1: but I think he has a max air exit velocity
Speaker 1: of one hundred and three miles per hour this year,
Speaker 1: so that's going to need to improve a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's that's you know twenty great Bob. And then uh,
Speaker 1: the third piece is.
Speaker 2: Maybe the most interesting.
Speaker 1: Where you're getting a right hander that oh with the
Speaker 1: t vax and it wou'd be a fun one. You're
Speaker 1: getting a right hander that has broken out this year,
Speaker 1: throws a splitter and a change up and has a
Speaker 1: pretty good.
Speaker 2: Feel to spind it.
Speaker 1: I think the arm that they end up getting might
Speaker 1: be the most interesting in terms of what it may
Speaker 1: look like at the upper levels.
Speaker 2: But let's go. I'm very happy about this movie.
Speaker 4: This is the tough part about this stream is like
Speaker 4: I want to hear raa but that I get the
Speaker 4: alert that Lars new Bars go to Arizona. That I'm
Speaker 4: just like looking at him looking out at my phone
Speaker 4: and there's just so much happening, and this is why
Speaker 4: it's so much fun. But it's hard to get all
Speaker 4: of the thoughts correctly in in a in a good
Speaker 4: you know, segmented way. But we're trying our best here.
Speaker 3: Put put a pin in the newt Bar to Arizona
Speaker 3: thing real real quick, because I do want to tell us, actually, no,
Speaker 3: we got it. Peyton, Good for you man, that's a
Speaker 3: lightning quick turnaround. Per Hoor Hat Castile, Yeah, per horor
Speaker 3: Hate Castell and Alvin Gonzalez. The Diamondbacks are requiring Lars
Speaker 3: Newt Bar from the Saint Louis Cars. Newt Bar is
Speaker 3: a really interesting fit. And Mike Hasen two months ago
Speaker 3: told everybody that he not the team. He wanted a
Speaker 3: lefty hitting corner outfielder or first baseman. And Mike Hasen
Speaker 3: gets his lefty hitting corner outfielder and Lars Newtbar our
Speaker 3: knee jerk reaction. I know you have been following the
Speaker 3: Diamondbacks and their need for maybe offensive help pretty closely.
Speaker 3: They've had a very quiet deadline day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I was getting a little worried that
Speaker 1: something may not line up for them, being that this
Speaker 1: is a.
Speaker 2: Team that I've been pumped about this year.
Speaker 1: I think Peter has put me on the spot a
Speaker 1: couple of times throughout the year and checked in. There's
Speaker 1: been spots around like, yeah, this is still a playoff team,
Speaker 1: and then there's been.
Speaker 2: Other spots that I'm like, ah, it's getting harder to believe.
Speaker 1: And then they've been really really good of late six
Speaker 1: games over five hundred, like they needed to add to
Speaker 1: this team, even with the flaws.
Speaker 2: You got to add to a team like that.
Speaker 1: But their system isn't great and you don't want to
Speaker 1: trade from the couple guys you have at the top.
Speaker 2: How do you pull this off?
Speaker 1: They're able to do it here, and again, not a
Speaker 1: ton of ton of bats to be able to go get.
Speaker 1: I think this is a good fit for them and
Speaker 1: comes with a little bit of control as well. I'm
Speaker 1: interested to see how the profile plays out there. A
Speaker 1: guy that's always had good underlying data, We've always been
Speaker 1: waiting for it to fully fully come to fruition.
Speaker 2: But Arizona's a good place to maybe help that happen.
Speaker 1: They need they needed a left handed bat as bad
Speaker 1: as anybody. Right you look at their left e bats,
Speaker 1: it's Corbyn, Carrol, it's the switch hitters in Perdomo and Marte.
Speaker 1: Marte is better from the right side, and then it's
Speaker 1: Kepler and that's about it. So to be able to
Speaker 1: plug in, you know, a proven, establish consistent left handed
Speaker 1: bat here in the outfield, I think really really helps
Speaker 1: this Dbacks line up.
Speaker 3: I love it. Peter anything on newt Bar going to
Speaker 3: Arizona or should we push onto the Chicago cups I.
Speaker 4: Think are mostly covered it. You know, when we're looking
Speaker 4: for a left handed power bat, we're looking for a
Speaker 4: right handed contact bat. They needed a bat like period.
Speaker 4: Right This is a team that ranks twenty second in ops.
Speaker 4: You look at Homer's, you look at Steels, you look
Speaker 4: at me. Across the board, they're either average or below
Speaker 4: average at so and Lars Newbar has been a really
Speaker 4: solid bat. The problem is he just hasn't been able
Speaker 4: to really stay healthy. But he's healthy now and that's
Speaker 4: what the Diamondbacks are acquiring. So again, any bats are
Speaker 4: good bats for Arizona.
Speaker 3: Okay, we will push to a Cub conversation right now,
Speaker 3: because the Cubs have been very active in terms of
Speaker 3: addressing pitching and it's been an impressive deadline from Jed
Speaker 3: Hoyer and Carter Hawkins. Here we'll start with the deal
Speaker 3: that you guys didn't get to last night because it
Speaker 3: came in late. Kevin Gosman made the move from Toronto
Speaker 3: to Chicago for Brett Bateman and outfielder and Tie South.
Speaker 3: The scene, an infield prospect who is the older brother
Speaker 3: of Tate South. The scene of the Atlanta Braves a
Speaker 3: breakout that arm hit on on the call up late
Speaker 3: last week. But Kevin Gosman is a frontline arm that
Speaker 3: has bonafied playoff performances under his belt. Gosman is such
Speaker 3: a great get for the Cubs. I was fired up
Speaker 3: for Shak when I saw this trade come through, because
Speaker 3: they needed someone like this. There's a lot of unknown Frankly,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of nothing in that Cub rotation right
Speaker 3: now because of the way injuries have just decimated it
Speaker 3: over the course of this season. But they needed someone
Speaker 3: experienced and seasoned and veteran, and someone that it was
Speaker 3: gonna be like not hard to pry away from a team,
Speaker 3: but would make it emotional to pry that guy away
Speaker 3: from that team. And I know Blue Jays fans are
Speaker 3: really upset that Gosman had to go. It was the
Speaker 3: best course of action, obviously, because Gosman is in a
Speaker 3: walk year here. But Kevin Gosman with the Cubs screams
Speaker 3: to me, match made in heaven. Peter, how do you
Speaker 3: see the Gosman fit in Chicago?
Speaker 4: Couldn't agree with you more. I feel like this Cubs
Speaker 4: rotation is an anxiety riddled rotation and Gosman slows the
Speaker 4: heartbeat right. He comes in. He's a professional. He's been there,
Speaker 4: done that, you know.
Speaker 3: I like showed up.
Speaker 4: I like Matthew Boyd. I like a couple of their arms.
Speaker 4: But this is a bit there, done that type of picture.
Speaker 4: And you also feel like Gosman, while he's not having
Speaker 4: the best year, we haven't seen a stark drop off
Speaker 4: and stuff or anything. This is still Kevin Gosman. And
Speaker 4: I've said this about Kevin Gosman before, and I'll say
Speaker 4: it probably for the rest of the season and for
Speaker 4: the rest of his career. Gosman is at his best
Speaker 4: when he's pinpoint with the fastball and the splitter, because
Speaker 4: you could just never guess right. And I've seen him
Speaker 4: dice through elite lineups when he's got it. When he doesn't,
Speaker 4: it doesn't look all that great, and more often than
Speaker 4: not he hasn't had it. But when that focus locks
Speaker 4: in during the playoffs for the Cubs, I wouldn't be
Speaker 4: surprised if he's the best pitcher in this rotation come
Speaker 4: October and it didn't cost them all that much, right arm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, A couple of really glove first bat to ball
Speaker 1: guys also kind of the model fit.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think higher four pieces.
Speaker 1: But if you're the Cubs, I don't think you're losing
Speaker 1: sleep over that, especially with some of the top end
Speaker 1: position player of prospects that you got it that you
Speaker 1: also use to make other additions here.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I think the ceiling aspect when he's locked in, I agree, Pete,
Speaker 1: and then just just a guy that has been there,
Speaker 1: I think is absolutely huge.
Speaker 2: I also wanted to tie a bow because we.
Speaker 1: Had something to come in on the Liam Hicks Ray's
Speaker 1: side of the deal before we had the excitement.
Speaker 2: I love the fit for a couple of different reasons.
Speaker 1: But the Rays have always kind of punted the catching
Speaker 1: position right, and we've talked about that. But Nick Fart
Speaker 1: says that a really nice series is a good defender,
Speaker 1: but that's a guy that you kind of like more
Speaker 1: in a part time role behind the dish. So Hicks
Speaker 1: is able to give you, you know, an upgrade there.
Speaker 1: But the Rays are the only team in Major League
Speaker 1: Baseball with a contact rate above above eighty percent. You
Speaker 1: add now Liam Hicks there, who's fourth in the league
Speaker 1: in contact rate at ninety percent, and so you're already
Speaker 1: taking the number one strength they have and making it
Speaker 1: even stronger, they have the lowest strikeout rate in the
Speaker 1: league at nineteen point two percent, and you add a
Speaker 1: guy with a strikeout rate of nine and a half percent.
Speaker 1: So the Rays, already being the best bat to ball
Speaker 1: team are even more bat to BALI and you still
Speaker 1: have guys that can hit the ball hard, right and
Speaker 1: camin arow and and Ronda and of course Das Yeah.
Speaker 3: Podcast P dropped this nugget on the Hicks video breakdown.
Speaker 3: Liam Hicks swung and missed twelve pitches inside the strike
Speaker 3: zone for the Marlins this year. He hit fourteen home runs,
Speaker 3: so he had fewer swings and misses on pitches in
Speaker 3: the zone than he did home runs hit this season.
Speaker 4: That that's that blows my mind. What do say it again?
Speaker 4: Twelve in zone wis fourteen home runs? Like you already
Speaker 4: said it once, but I don't even think you put
Speaker 4: it in enough perspective. You got to say it again.
Speaker 3: Liam Hicks swung and missed within the strike zone twelve
Speaker 3: times as a Marlin this year. He hit fourteen home
Speaker 3: runs as a Marlin this year, Liam Hicks, I will
Speaker 3: tell you I will personally miss Liam Hicks. The guy
Speaker 3: like Hicks is a really good dude. Excited to see
Speaker 3: him thrive in Tampa, but of course excited about the
Speaker 3: prospect return coming back to Miami. I do want to
Speaker 3: keep on going with the Cubs here because Gosman wasn't
Speaker 3: the only move. There were two other moves here for pitching,
Speaker 3: and I want to kind of sandwich the Garrett one
Speaker 3: with Gosman on the front end and Holmes on the
Speaker 3: back end, because Braxton Garrett makes the move from the
Speaker 3: Marlins to the Cubs, and the return was Jonathan Long,
Speaker 3: a first baseman that has seemingly been blocked for a
Speaker 3: little bit. Jonathan Long and right hander Ja s Beck,
Speaker 3: they go back in return. Garrett's an interesting gamble because
Speaker 3: this is a command guy that is working his way
Speaker 3: back from Tommy John surgery, but he has been carving
Speaker 3: through triple A arm Layton, You've watched a lot of
Speaker 3: Braxton Garrett, and I know you've seen a decent bit
Speaker 3: of him this year as well. What do you make
Speaker 3: of Garrett and where he's at off of major elbow surgery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think you saw the Classics shake
Speaker 1: the rust off off of TJ. And when you're a
Speaker 1: pitch ability guy that really needs to execute. I think
Speaker 1: coming back off of TJ can be even tougher, and
Speaker 1: I think the Marlins kind of knew that and that's
Speaker 1: why they were, you know, him to take his time
Speaker 1: in Triple A. But I think you saw in Triple
Speaker 1: A he really did settle in and and have some
Speaker 1: positive stretches, but then you saw some blips where.
Speaker 2: The command wasn't there. I think it's a perfect swap.
Speaker 1: Cubs have a ton of bats at the upper miners,
Speaker 1: forty man guys potentially as well. Marlin's get a right
Speaker 1: handed bat that can help him on the big league level.
Speaker 1: But the Cubs get some solid pitching depth, and the
Speaker 1: guy with control that at worse is going to be
Speaker 1: a solid ending Zeter for you.
Speaker 3: I think, Wow, a couple things just came through from
Speaker 3: Jeff Passing of ESPN. The Cleveland Guardians are acquiring Nathaniel
Speaker 3: Lowe in a trade with the Cincinnati Reds. That's a
Speaker 3: really interesting fit, and they get an upgrade at first base.
Speaker 3: DH seemingly Reee Hoskins. It's just not cutting it anymore,
Speaker 3: so low effectively replaces Hoskins in that lineup. The other
Speaker 3: one that just came through the Marlins according to pass
Speaker 3: and acquiring Victor Vodnik from the Rockies for Connor Norby
Speaker 3: and right handed really or right handed prospect Aiden may
Speaker 3: So Norby and may go from the Marlins to the
Speaker 3: Rockies in exchange for Victor Vodnik, who has had an underwoman.
Speaker 3: You're eerra wise, but the stuff is incredibly loud, so
Speaker 3: pretty cool, and podcast P unbelievable turnaround time on those
Speaker 3: because those just came through forty five seconds ago. This
Speaker 3: guy's a freaking machine. I know he probably doesn't have
Speaker 3: time to pop in and make this a four man
Speaker 3: thing right now, but if you do, can we give
Speaker 3: you a round of applause to your face.
Speaker 4: No, he's not gone anywhere, you know when uh, you
Speaker 4: know in the social network where they got Mark Uh.
Speaker 2: He's plugging his mic and he's getting ready to go.
Speaker 4: Where you got Mark Zuckerberg like in the corner is like,
Speaker 4: oh no, he's plugged in. He's plugged in right now, Like,
Speaker 4: don't bother him. That's what podcast P is right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, so podcast p's working on that at the moment.
Speaker 3: The last cubs one that we want to talk about here. Actually, no,
Speaker 3: Peyton's popping in right now, so let's give him again
Speaker 3: a round of applause to his face and then he'll
Speaker 3: keep on cooking here. So Peyton, good job, dude.
Speaker 5: I'll accept the glades.
Speaker 3: Dude, is is this the most over stimulated you've been
Speaker 3: in like the last forty eight hours?
Speaker 6: I'd say the draft stream this year it's a camera
Speaker 6: kept cutting out. But yeah, I was cortisoled that time
Speaker 6: that day, but this one, you know, I'm more having
Speaker 6: fun this time.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 3: It is fun and it is like a whip around
Speaker 3: in every single sense of the word here, all right,
Speaker 3: So we just had those two come in. I do
Speaker 3: want to circle back again to the Cubs because we
Speaker 3: hit on Kevin Gosman, we hit on Braxton Garrett, and
Speaker 3: now I want to hit on two guys coming over
Speaker 3: the market for right handed bats was it seemed like
Speaker 3: buyers were clamoring for them, and the Cubs get a
Speaker 3: good one, and they also get a good starter who's
Speaker 3: working his way back on a rehab assignment. Clay Holmes
Speaker 3: started for Hia Brooklyn on rehab, working his way back
Speaker 3: from that leg fracture. So Holmes he started on Sunday,
Speaker 3: he gets traded from the Mets to the Chicago Cubs
Speaker 3: along with Tyrone Taylor. It's a two big leaguer for
Speaker 3: one prospect deal. Holmes and Tyrone Taylor from the Mets
Speaker 3: to the Cubs for an infield prospect Jefferson Rojas, who
Speaker 3: arm you were very very high on, then you were
Speaker 3: high on, and then you were like very high on,
Speaker 3: and now are you back to high on?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's a very accurate to fiction.
Speaker 1: He's been a difficult player to assess in the regard
Speaker 1: of like how much I like him, But I've always
Speaker 1: liked him, and I still think he's a really good player.
Speaker 2: The question has been defensively.
Speaker 1: I think in the early going I said, okay, he's
Speaker 1: always been the youngest player or one of the youngest players,
Speaker 1: that he'd stop. Rojas like, uh, maybe the glove will
Speaker 1: come along. I think now you look at it and
Speaker 1: he's more likely a second or third basement But the
Speaker 1: bat is freaking awesome, So to get him, I think
Speaker 1: again another instance where the Mets had the package two players,
Speaker 1: but Rojas is probably the best player that they got
Speaker 1: at this deadline. Unless I'm forgetting somebody off the top
Speaker 1: borderline top one hundred prospects, good blend of hit and power,
Speaker 1: can run a little bit, and I think Rojas is
Speaker 1: going to be, you know, an above average infield bat
Speaker 1: for you, I think second base. But the fact that
Speaker 1: they can be versat will move over to third. Thought
Speaker 1: that was a good get for the match, which I
Speaker 1: didn't love their returns. I thought that was one of
Speaker 1: their better returns. But to get two pieces on the
Speaker 1: big league side, you know, for for the Cubs, like
Speaker 1: I think ultimately that that made it worth it.
Speaker 3: Hard to fathom. We just talked through the deadline, so
Speaker 3: you've got the deadline concluding a minute ago. A couple
Speaker 3: more are coming in here, and the Pirates are stocking up.
Speaker 3: Kirby Yates goes from the Angels to the Pirates. The
Speaker 3: other one just reported was Lake Baker goes from the
Speaker 3: Marlins to the Pirates. So the Pirates they add Camilo Dovall,
Speaker 3: Luke Weaver, Kirby Yates, and they add Lake Baker.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 3: Another one coming in at the last moment is Preller
Speaker 3: finally gets active. The Padres going to acquire Casey Mize
Speaker 3: from the Detroit Tigers. So Ma is one of the
Speaker 3: top rental arms that was left maz goes from the
Speaker 3: Tigers to the San Diego Padres. But again, the Pirates
Speaker 3: are bulking up on their relief arms.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 3: You've got Luke Weaver, You've got Camillo Dovall, You've got
Speaker 3: Lake Baker, and you've got Kirby Yates. Here. The Pirates
Speaker 3: had one glaring deficiency, folks, they could not get outs
Speaker 3: after the sixth inning, and now it seems like they're
Speaker 3: built to get outs after the sixth inning. Absolutely fascinating
Speaker 3: what Cherrington did. And Charrington, those are four solid relievers, Peter,
Speaker 3: I know you probably despise Doval for what he did
Speaker 3: over the last calendar year with the New York Yankees.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of talent in there, and you add
Speaker 3: those four guys to Gregor Risoto and to other guys
Speaker 3: that throw hard in that Pirate bullpen, all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: they're looking a heck of a lot better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just on the deval side. Like we talked about
Speaker 4: it yesterday, I think it was arm and eye and
Speaker 4: it was kind of like I was surprised that the
Speaker 4: Yankees got warm bodies for Camelo Dovall. But I also
Speaker 4: said at the same time, sometimes guys just don't work
Speaker 4: in New York. Still clearly talented. Now it doesn't help
Speaker 4: that in his first appearance for the Pittsburgh Pirates to
Speaker 4: give up a home run, but that you know, it's
Speaker 4: just happenstance, Like, I still think he has talent. He
Speaker 4: still throws gas, he still keeps the ball on the ground,
Speaker 4: and he does not do a good job of holding runners.
Speaker 4: So Nie Rodriguez back there, you're going to have your
Speaker 4: work cut out for you. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: they didn't only get Camillo Daval, right, I think you
Speaker 4: could make an argument that Camillo daval is the worst
Speaker 4: reliever that they got. They got arguably the best reliever
Speaker 4: traded at this deadline in Luke Weaver. That is a
Speaker 4: big get for the Pirates in GM Ben Charrington. And
Speaker 4: then you can continue to go down the line like
Speaker 4: Lake Baker. You guys would know more about him than
Speaker 4: I do. But from what I've watched, he looks like
Speaker 4: a pretty good reliever. Like he's not bad, he's not great,
Speaker 4: but he's a nice fill in for this Pirate's bullpen
Speaker 4: that just needs guys who can throw. And then Kirbyates
Speaker 4: has closing experience, and it hasn't been an entirely healthy season,
Speaker 4: but when Kirbyates has been on the mound, he's been
Speaker 4: really solid as well. All the Pirates are doing here
Speaker 4: is just raising the floor. And it's sometimes easy for
Speaker 4: a GM to address needs when they're so apparent, and
Speaker 4: the Pirates clearly needed to address the bullpen. So what
Speaker 4: does Ben Charrington do? Not one, not two, not three,
Speaker 4: not four? Actually yes, four four relievers. It feels like
Speaker 4: the Lebron James press conference with the heat where he
Speaker 4: goes not one two. But they got a bunch of relievers,
Speaker 4: and good for them. I'm rooting for them, and I
Speaker 4: think these are four good guts.
Speaker 3: What do you think arm.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the best way for them
Speaker 1: to do it. I don't even think one big relief
Speaker 1: farm was gonna fix it for them.
Speaker 2: Might as well volume shoot.
Speaker 1: And I like about Bakers like he's really versatile and
Speaker 1: it's a guy that can go multi inning for you.
Speaker 1: He's been able to throw a little bit at leverage.
Speaker 1: I think several of these guys can kind of be
Speaker 1: in different roles and you can ride the hot hand
Speaker 1: for who you trust to close games. Out, which is
Speaker 1: probably always gonna be the best way for the pirates.
Speaker 1: So I love that they had an obvious issue and
Speaker 1: they addressed it with volume. And I can guarantee that
Speaker 1: their bullpen's going to be better than it was before.
Speaker 1: And that's all you can really ask.
Speaker 3: For, no doubt about that. We can go a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of different ways here because the trade deadline again,
Speaker 3: it officially concluded at six o'clock Eastern time at six
Speaker 3: oh five right now, but we still have things that
Speaker 3: are being reported at the very very at this very moment, Peter,
Speaker 3: hand up what you got.
Speaker 4: I just really want to talk about the Casey Mice
Speaker 4: deal that just came through, because we just we have
Speaker 4: a return. Yet we just got the return. Tigers get
Speaker 4: Cash Mayfield and Jackson Wolf. And I know Cash Mayfield
Speaker 4: is a big time prospect and at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, Casey Mice is a rental. So I wanted
Speaker 4: to throw it over to you or ar them to
Speaker 4: kind of break down that return because it feels steep
Speaker 4: to me. But at the same time, Casey mis has
Speaker 4: been a freaking dog this year, so I understand it
Speaker 4: from that sense. But and they also got gauge workmen
Speaker 4: in the deal too, so it wasn't solely Casey Mice,
Speaker 4: but for the Tigers to get a prospect of cash
Speaker 4: Mayfield's pedigree, I feel like that's really solid, is it not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, not bad at all.
Speaker 1: I think this was one of those where you aren't
Speaker 1: going to have the volume maybe to match with like
Speaker 1: a couple of second tier type of prospects. You had
Speaker 1: to give up, you know, really one higher tier prospect.
Speaker 1: But I think Mayfield a guy that you look at
Speaker 1: the ceiling. I know he's the first round you know,
Speaker 1: had agree with him, but and he's six four to
Speaker 1: two hundred, you'd expect a little bit more in there,
Speaker 1: but he dealt with a little bit of a shoulder
Speaker 1: stuff last year. The vos back up a tad more,
Speaker 1: but he's still just averaging about ninety two. There's deception
Speaker 1: in there, and he can he can extend decently well.
Speaker 1: So I think he's able to outperform what you would
Speaker 1: maybe see on the surface with Mayfield in terms of
Speaker 1: the velocity. It's a it's a good change up and
Speaker 1: that's what stands out for me as well. It's a
Speaker 1: low release fastball, kind of carries a bit, but it's
Speaker 1: still most likely at back end of the rotation outlook,
Speaker 1: and so I think in that regard, Padre is knowing
Speaker 1: that they're not giving up a super super high ceiling,
Speaker 1: and Miz helps them a ton. Obviously this year it
Speaker 1: could be their best pitcher now very well, like if
Speaker 1: he's hot, could be the guy that you trust as
Speaker 1: much as anybody in that rotation. I think it's worth it,
Speaker 1: and I think this is one of those where it's
Speaker 1: a good get for the Tigers.
Speaker 2: It is probably the best individual player they could have got.
Speaker 1: Maybe they could have got more value with two other guys,
Speaker 1: but you add in a left handed pitcher here, that's
Speaker 1: a high probability, back end of the road guy. And
Speaker 1: I think for the Padres it's it's still worth it though,
Speaker 1: to be able to add mys and really go for it.
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Speaker 3: catch up with some of these and Peyton, let me
Speaker 3: know if you have Foster Griffin and that return ready,
Speaker 3: because I find that one fascinating. But we are going
Speaker 3: to go right to the Taylor Ward deal because Seattle
Speaker 3: they started to get a little involved here. We saw
Speaker 3: late rumblings that Randy a Rose Arena could be open
Speaker 3: for business in terms of being acquired, but they hold
Speaker 3: onto Randy a Rose Arena. By reporting, it seems like
Speaker 3: Kirby and Hancock stay put. And they also add a
Speaker 3: righty bat, Taylor Ward, who's top five in Major League
Speaker 3: Baseball and on base percentage. They get Taylor Ward from
Speaker 3: Baltimore for three prospects. They are three right handed pitching prospects,
Speaker 3: Alex Hoppy, Harrison Criyling, and brock More. Hoppy is probably
Speaker 3: the biggest name of these three, are them? What say you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say so, just because he's like close
Speaker 2: to big league. I mean, he's big league.
Speaker 1: Rady has some experience, could jump in the bullpen if
Speaker 1: you could approve the command a little bit. But the
Speaker 1: walk rate's been a bit higher with cry Ling, Like
Speaker 1: the stuff is good, but this is a twenty four
Speaker 1: year old at you know, low A. It was a
Speaker 1: lighter return than I thought it would be, to be honest,
Speaker 1: and I know that it's a rental bath, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are probably just a little
Speaker 1: bit worried that how Taylor Ward's has been more passive
Speaker 1: than anything and not slugging, but also just stuffy guys
Speaker 1: that are older I mean brock More as well, like
Speaker 1: super high strikeout rate this year between high A and
Speaker 1: double A, but has also battled some walk issues and
Speaker 1: is twenty six years old.
Speaker 2: But what we've seen with the Mariners is.
Speaker 1: They draft these kind of like like senior signs or
Speaker 1: grad students in the seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth round, don't
Speaker 1: give them huge bonuses and they end up just developing
Speaker 1: into decent pieces. So good on the on the Mariners
Speaker 1: to be able to like kind of maximize these guys
Speaker 1: and turn it into a solid bat to help them.
Speaker 1: But I think each of them have a chance to
Speaker 1: develop in a decent bullpen pieces. But I thought it
Speaker 1: was a light get honestly over for Taylor Ward.
Speaker 3: Ward had so much.
Speaker 4: To this offense Peter a Ton And it's kind of
Speaker 4: the same conversation that we've had with a few teams
Speaker 4: where just bring any good bat into the fold. But
Speaker 4: I especially like to fit here for Taylor Ward because
Speaker 4: he's seen a little bit of a power outage, and
Speaker 4: when I mean a little bit, I kind of mean
Speaker 4: a lot. Thirty six jacks last year, only seven this season.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, he's rocking the highest on
Speaker 4: base percentage of his career at three point eighty three.
Speaker 4: And what do the Mariners not lack homers their fourteenth
Speaker 4: and homers, it's not bad. They certainly lack guys who
Speaker 4: can get on base. They ring twenty fifth in OBP,
Speaker 4: twenty seventh in ops. Taylor Ward is going to provide
Speaker 4: what the Mariners need. Guys who can get on base.
Speaker 4: They got a couple big swingers. Just get on first
Speaker 4: base and we'll deal with it from there. You can
Speaker 4: play defense in right field as well, which has been
Speaker 4: kind of a tough area for the Mariners this season.
Speaker 4: Right They've kind of they've had Dominic Canzone, who, for
Speaker 4: lack of a better term, kind of has a noodlelarm
Speaker 4: out there on right field, definitely doesn't have the strongest arm.
Speaker 4: They've also had Luke Rayley out there on right field.
Speaker 4: They've kind of tried a different cast of characters. Now
Speaker 4: you just get Taylor Ward. He's gonna play right field,
Speaker 4: He's gonna get on base at a three eighty clip,
Speaker 4: and you hope that he can hit more home runs.
Speaker 4: And just like Arms said, didn't cost very much. This
Speaker 4: is a great trade for Seattle.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to take us over to Milwaukee, who
Speaker 3: bolsters up and they could have added a back end
Speaker 3: starter and another high leverage reliever. Dustin May and Jojo Romero.
Speaker 3: They make their way within the within the division, from
Speaker 3: Saint Louis to Milwaukee. So May and Jojo Romero go
Speaker 3: from the Cardinals to the Brewers for a couple of
Speaker 3: outfield prospects, Alexander Frias and Carson Ragsdale. Those of the
Speaker 3: two that go back. What you got.
Speaker 1: It's a graphic mistake, but it should be Josiah rag Sale.
Speaker 3: I believe Josiah Ragsdale, Yes, Josiah. I saw Carson Ragsdale
Speaker 3: earlier on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Let's see that might have been a Marsian. Ragsdale is
Speaker 1: the pitcher, Yeah, Josi's the outfielder. And uh, I assume
Speaker 1: we've seen a couple of names botched. I saw somebody
Speaker 1: do Griffin Foster. I think that might have been a
Speaker 1: prominent reporter mentioned Griffin.
Speaker 3: There you go, but there you go.
Speaker 1: This is my favorite trade because really what I like
Speaker 1: I like to see the Brewers going for it, and
Speaker 1: these are two guys that can absolutely help them. Heim
Speaker 1: Bloom maximize this return. I think this was a a
Speaker 1: really really good return for what they gave up. Brius
Speaker 1: is a borderline, I think, top one hundred type of
Speaker 1: candidate with what he's doing. If he could settle into
Speaker 1: low way a little bit more guy who like four
Speaker 1: forty the complex. He's long and lanky, but a good
Speaker 1: athlete already plus bat speed has flashed, you know, exciting
Speaker 1: eggs and velocities and again just tore through the complex league.
Speaker 1: And then Zia Ragsdale has just been a classic example
Speaker 1: of what the Brewers do. They get a good athlete,
Speaker 1: interesting player, they let him debut kind of see how
Speaker 1: he does. And Ragsdale just was was good, not great
Speaker 1: in his brief debut las year. I think overall you
Speaker 1: saw really good OBP skills, but just didn't really put
Speaker 1: much impact on the baseball. Subtle adjustments pushed his contact
Speaker 1: point out further in front this year and he cuts
Speaker 1: his groundball rate by twenty percent and he's launched now
Speaker 1: nineteen homers between high A and double as a guy
Speaker 1: with plus wheels, with now plus raw power that he's
Speaker 1: getting into in games. And that was a guy that
Speaker 1: was kind of an afterthought for you. He was a
Speaker 1: seventh round pick that you invested two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars in last year, you immediately take and
Speaker 1: you level up because it's the frickin' Brewers and their development.
Speaker 1: Your pair of that with Freus, you know, an IFA guy,
Speaker 1: which they just do such a good job on that front.
Speaker 2: And that's the player that.
Speaker 1: I look at the ceiling here with Alexander Frius again,
Speaker 1: I think you could make a case for him being
Speaker 1: top one hundred caliber four forty one five eighteen six
Speaker 1: seventy eight slash line in thirty two Arizona Complex games
Speaker 1: as an eighteen year old, and he's already starting to
Speaker 1: settle in low A. I love the upside of Fries,
Speaker 1: I think for Dustin May and Jojo Romero and two
Speaker 1: rentals right like yes, I like itsuse.
Speaker 2: I think they koly have a plan.
Speaker 1: I think May is gonna be good with the Brewers
Speaker 1: and Romero helps for sure, But man, I think the
Speaker 1: upside of these two players, especially with Fries, is so
Speaker 1: exciting to add to this cardinal system for rentals.
Speaker 3: So I think Jojo Romero is one of the more
Speaker 3: underrated lefty relievers in baseball just because He's a ground
Speaker 3: ball gremlin. I mean, this guy he is. He's throwing
Speaker 3: bowling balls like it's up there with Farrer Farrera. Obviously
Speaker 3: there was one hundred versus Romero's ninety five, but Romero
Speaker 3: has been one of the more under the radar consistent
Speaker 3: lefty bullpen arms in Major League Baseball. So I love
Speaker 3: that Milwaukee went to go do this fortify the back
Speaker 3: end of their rotation at least for the regular season.
Speaker 3: In Dustin May, who's nasty and excited to see him
Speaker 3: get working in the brewer lab, and then Joe Joe Romeiro,
Speaker 3: I just think is another iron in the fire. And
Speaker 3: they have what is pretty damn close to a super
Speaker 3: penn at points with Ashby, with Patrick being able to
Speaker 3: go four innings out of the bullpen, and of course
Speaker 3: with mcgil and admir Yuribe on the back end, like
Speaker 3: they have a lot of good stuff cooking pitching wise.
Speaker 3: Do want to take us to the Mets? Oh wait,
Speaker 3: where did Fink go? Vink was hanging out here for
Speaker 3: a minute here, but he just disappeared. Huh Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think we were ready for the Mets.
Speaker 4: But oh well, yeah, we were talking about good trades,
Speaker 4: and he's like, I'm out of here. I haven't been
Speaker 4: involved in any good mets trades all day long, so
Speaker 4: I can understand why he might be upset so sad.
Speaker 3: All right, you know what, Fink's taking a nap. We
Speaker 3: are actually going to talk about a met here. I
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Speaker 3: You, it's funny. I was going to pivot us to
Speaker 3: the White Sox conversation, but if Fink is coming back,
Speaker 3: then we can talk about the Mets. There were eight
Speaker 3: New York Mets that were traded over the course of
Speaker 3: the last month or so when you account for David Peterson.
Speaker 3: But there were seven New York Mets that were traded
Speaker 3: over the course of the last forty eight to seventy
Speaker 3: two hours. And Ryan Finkelstein has made his valiant return.
Speaker 3: He joins us now the seven New York Mets on
Speaker 3: top of David Peterson that have been dealt in the
Speaker 3: last seventy two hours. Clay Holmes and Tyrone and Taylor
Speaker 3: they go to the Chicago Cubs. Brooks Raley he was traded.
Speaker 3: Aj Minter was traded to Minnesota. Wastcar Braza Bond goes
Speaker 3: to the White Sox, Luke Weaver to the Pirates, Freddy
Speaker 3: Pearl to Tampa. Those are the seven guys, Ryan Finkelstein,
Speaker 3: we were forecasting a New York met fire sale. Did
Speaker 3: they do a good enough job? Yes? Or no? And what.
Speaker 7: I mean, look, I think based on the market that
Speaker 7: we've seen, Like I look at each trade and I
Speaker 7: don't think for most of them they did a bad
Speaker 7: job on the return. I'm glad they got Jefferson Rojas
Speaker 7: as the final move. That makes me feel a lot
Speaker 7: better because I wouldn't be surprised if he slots in
Speaker 7: as like the number one Mets prospect for a lot
Speaker 7: of people after this, so I know for a pipeline
Speaker 7: he already is that one.
Speaker 5: I think say things a little bit.
Speaker 7: The trade that I'm actually really frustrated with is the
Speaker 7: Luke Weaver deal.
Speaker 5: That one I think is absolutely brutal.
Speaker 2: Alone.
Speaker 7: Luke Weaver for samis de Ferrow one for one.
Speaker 2: I was okay with that.
Speaker 5: It fell a little bit light, but.
Speaker 7: The money that went the other way in the deal.
Speaker 7: You're telling me that the pirates are going to be
Speaker 7: paying Luke Weaver. Depends on who you ask, but I
Speaker 7: saw either five point four million dollars over the next
Speaker 7: year and a half or seven point five million dollars
Speaker 7: either way. To not do better when that is what
Speaker 7: Luke Weaver is costing financially is wild to me. So
Speaker 7: that's the one that I think they really missed On
Speaker 7: the other ones, I'm not really mad at most most of.
Speaker 5: These trades are rentals.
Speaker 7: So like, this is the one where I would have
Speaker 7: just kept Luke Weaver as my closer for next season
Speaker 7: and moved Devin Wins into the eighth inning right now
Speaker 7: and just said, yeah, we set a high price tag
Speaker 7: for Luke Weaver, nobody met it, and we're gonna hold
Speaker 7: on to them because we're trying to win next season.
Speaker 7: That's the one that frustrates me. Everything else, again, it's
Speaker 7: mostly rental trades. I'm not gonna get too mad about.
Speaker 1: That was the part I was and I know we
Speaker 1: talked about it briefly, think but it was like East
Speaker 1: four Us is a really good athlete and a guy
Speaker 1: that I didn't love early in Cincinnati, just because I
Speaker 1: thought the swing was just so raw. It's gotten a
Speaker 1: lot better, but there's still some major swing and misconcerns.
Speaker 1: I still have some questions about whether he's just gonna hit.
Speaker 1: But twitchy athlete, can play, a good shortstop, can run,
Speaker 1: and it's a high upside guy that I think you're
Speaker 1: excited to bring in a Northeast kid, which is fun
Speaker 1: as well. I think literally grew up a Mets fan,
Speaker 1: which is awesome, But when you're paying a really good
Speaker 1: reliever down, I just thought you'd get a little bit
Speaker 1: more than just Stefora, who still comes with some hit
Speaker 1: too risk.
Speaker 2: That said, we've talked about stra on the call up.
Speaker 1: We do our heat sheets, and like he's been the
Speaker 1: guy that's come up because he has been on some
Speaker 1: of the best stretches over the last month and a
Speaker 1: half of really any player in minor league baseball. So
Speaker 1: there's a chance that something is just really clicked for
Speaker 1: Stephora and he's he's just kicked it into another gear offensively, which.
Speaker 2: I think is the hope.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's cool. I do want to kind of pivot
Speaker 3: to the other side of some of these Mets deals.
Speaker 1: But shit, I'm sorry, I didn't realize it's fifteen homers
Speaker 1: by Stefhora in his last twenty games.
Speaker 3: Wow, there, don't think you might be getting a dog again.
Speaker 7: When I first saw the one for one, I honestly
Speaker 7: was happy with it.
Speaker 5: I thought it was a good trade.
Speaker 7: I was like, all right, well, at least you're you're
Speaker 7: getting off of even if the Mets ate all of Luke.
Speaker 5: Weaver's money for this season.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you can reallocate twelve and a half million dollars,
Speaker 7: you can get a Luke Weaver comp in free agency.
Speaker 7: I just can't believe it that diar amount. They did
Speaker 7: do a little bit better, and that's the bigger thing
Speaker 7: for me. It's not even hating the prospect, it's hating
Speaker 7: the return. When you're selling a year and a half
Speaker 7: of Luke Weaver for seven and a half million dollars,
Speaker 7: and that's on the high end. It might be five
Speaker 7: point four. If Luke Weaver was a free agent off
Speaker 7: of this season, what's he getting three years forty million?
Speaker 7: Like for the Pirates to get a year and a
Speaker 7: half of Luke Weaver for seven and a half million dollars.
Speaker 5: That's insane.
Speaker 3: It is pretty insane. I think I think we can
Speaker 3: talk about some of the other team's impacts from some
Speaker 3: of these met deals, Like do you want to sit
Speaker 3: here and talk about Brooks Rayley's impact on the Philadelphia
Speaker 3: Phillies or do you not care at all?
Speaker 4: Start I really want to think to break down all
Speaker 4: of the players that he traded away.
Speaker 3: On you know what kind of arm of the White
Speaker 3: Sox getting in WASCAR. Brazubon man, let us know.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what, that was another one.
Speaker 7: If there's another one that frustrates me, it's kind of
Speaker 7: the Brazubon trade because it's just so much control of
Speaker 7: a guy that I think is just going to throw
Speaker 7: that sinker for the next three years and just keep
Speaker 7: getting ounce. I mean, it's it's year after year. This
Speaker 7: guy's never had like a bad season. It's just he
Speaker 7: doesn't pitch and leverage, but he still is a multi
Speaker 7: inning guy for the White Sox team My pitch and
Speaker 7: leverage and he was nails in the World Baseball Classic too,
Speaker 7: So that was another one where I get that gave
Speaker 7: Davis is a nice lottery ticket for the Mets, But honestly,
Speaker 7: I would have just kept Rozabond in the bullpen for
Speaker 7: next season. So I feel like the Mets could have
Speaker 7: had an alternate path where they just traded the rentals,
Speaker 7: and I would have been actually a little more pleased
Speaker 7: with what they did this deadline.
Speaker 4: Would you think about the play Holmes deal, because I
Speaker 4: know we've already talked about that from the Cubs angle.
Speaker 4: I don't know arm kind of broke down the prospect package,
Speaker 4: but I'm just curious what you thought, because you know, Weaver,
Speaker 4: I guess was the biggest name move just because he's healthy.
Speaker 4: But if we're talking about true talent, probably the best
Speaker 4: player that left the Mets is Clay Holmes, Tyrone Taylor,
Speaker 4: and you get Jefferson Rojas. I know you kind of
Speaker 4: mentioned it off top, but anything else on that one.
Speaker 7: I think the two the best returns that the Mets
Speaker 7: got are actually homes in Peralta. I think I actually
Speaker 7: like the three prospects collectively over Stafora for the Parolta trade,
Speaker 7: especially when you factor in the extra year of control.
Speaker 7: But as far as the Clay Holmes trade, I mean,
Speaker 7: look again, Jefferson Rojas is the best prospect the Mets
Speaker 7: are getting at this deadline. They added a lot of
Speaker 7: depth to their system, Like you said, I think eleven prospects.
Speaker 7: They completely have a brand new infield in double A
Speaker 7: now because Mitch Voyd just got called up. Now you
Speaker 7: have Rojas that's going to be in double A. Billy
Speaker 7: Amikho came in the Mentor trade is in double A.
Speaker 7: I think there's one more than I mean forgetting about here.
Speaker 7: But regardless, I think Rojas is kind of the prize
Speaker 7: of this deadline for the Mets, and so that if
Speaker 7: they didn't get that piece, I'd feel a lot worse,
Speaker 7: Like that's the one guy that you know is going
Speaker 7: to be a top five Mets prospect according to everybody
Speaker 7: after this.
Speaker 3: It's not Bruin Agbayani. He's not the prize possession of
Speaker 3: the Met deadline.
Speaker 7: Honestly, I like the Mentor return more than the Raley return,
Speaker 7: So I will say that, like interesting, I thought it
Speaker 7: was going to be the other way around, But I did
Speaker 7: like the Mentor eternal or turn a little bit more.
Speaker 7: But again, like you can't really scrutinize rental trades.
Speaker 2: You just can't.
Speaker 5: Like it's yeah, especially in this market.
Speaker 4: It's tough.
Speaker 3: Hey, and let me build off Raleigh with you real quick,
Speaker 3: because Brooks Raley is a guy that can give you headaches,
Speaker 3: and Raleigh is a really interesting pickup for Philadelphia. I
Speaker 3: think they needed some bullpen help getting to Doran and
Speaker 3: getting to Kirkering and they got it here in a
Speaker 3: lefty and Brooks Raleigh. How sustainable do you think he is?
Speaker 3: Because I feel like you could look at the arsenal
Speaker 3: and look at the stuff and say he could get
Speaker 3: annihilated in October, but he's also just been doing it
Speaker 3: time and time again. And you're a guy that has
Speaker 3: sat here and watched every single one of Rayley's outings.
Speaker 7: Brooks Raley, I think, based on the sample and it
Speaker 7: might be like one hundred and fifty innings, he has
Speaker 7: like the second best era in Met's history for a reliever.
Speaker 7: That's how good he was across four seasons since Adison
Speaker 7: Reid and Brooks Raley. Brooks Raley didn't read how about
Speaker 7: that that was a great pickup man twenty fifteen deadline,
Speaker 7: But yeah, ten years ago, Yeah, you look.
Speaker 5: At what Brooks Railey is going to give them.
Speaker 7: It's just three consistent outs every time he said about that,
Speaker 7: like he's gonna go out there, he's gonna get his
Speaker 7: three outs, and a lot of times I might be on
Speaker 7: nine pitches and just get a couple of ground balls.
Speaker 7: And it's also I think a really nice piece to
Speaker 7: be able to go up against all these lefties, like
Speaker 7: in particular Brooks Rally is very familiar with pitching them
Speaker 7: Matt Olson, so you know, if that's kind of the
Speaker 7: matchup down the stretch for the Phillies or even you know,
Speaker 7: the Dodgers, Like he's he's good against lefties, good against righty's,
Speaker 7: and he's been pitching and leverage for most of his
Speaker 7: tenure with the Mets.
Speaker 5: So I really saw a pickup for the Phillies.
Speaker 3: Cool, you guys have any other met based questions for
Speaker 3: Fank or No? Are we gonna let him go wallow
Speaker 3: in sadness?
Speaker 4: No, I've predicted. I had three predictions for this trade deadline.
Speaker 4: Derek Scooba was preordained to the Dodgers hit. Yeah, the
Speaker 4: Atlanta Braves. We're gonna have the most disappointing deadline. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm most disappointing, but it was certainly disappointing. One of
Speaker 4: them and then the Mets. We're gonna win the deadline
Speaker 4: because of how well David Stearns was going to perform
Speaker 4: selling assets. I thought he was in the perfect spot.
Speaker 4: I thought this is where you'll get the best of
Speaker 4: David Stearns, and they arguably lost it. So I'm gonna
Speaker 4: I went two for one or two for three. Not bad, right,
Speaker 4: think bad?
Speaker 5: Not bad?
Speaker 2: Serious question.
Speaker 1: I know you've got to do lockdown, Matt's How excited
Speaker 1: are you for the rest of the season now? Like
Speaker 1: are they for the young guys that are gonna come up?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: How do you? How do you dig in now?
Speaker 3: For the rest of the He's on Robert stock Watch
Speaker 3: every fifth day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 1: I actually got emotional seeing Robert Stocket emotional after that start.
Speaker 1: That guy's had a journey and had Jurassic outlet syndrome,
Speaker 1: like surgery like a few months ago. What the insane
Speaker 1: easy to root for that guy? But yeah, sorry, thank
Speaker 1: answer the question.
Speaker 7: I can't wait to see two more months of Luis
Speaker 7: Robert Jr.
Speaker 5: I can't wait for that.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, why don't he get traded?
Speaker 7: I honestly think they just they're just literally there was
Speaker 7: no takers. I mean, you either could have eaten all
Speaker 7: the money and.
Speaker 5: Gotten a fly or prospect. You could have just tried
Speaker 5: to get out of his buyout for next year. Couldn't
Speaker 5: do that.
Speaker 7: But I am excited on the stretch because you know,
Speaker 7: I think Jonah Tong probably comes up and so I
Speaker 7: think they maybe go six man and so you're gonna
Speaker 7: get a start a week from Tong, Christian Scott, Noel McLain.
Speaker 5: And Zach Dordon. I think that's fun.
Speaker 7: They're also gonna throw a bunch of relievers that they're
Speaker 7: gonna be trying out for next season, like Jeffrey Yon
Speaker 7: is coming up around.
Speaker 2: That's that's the reason to watch alone.
Speaker 7: So you got that and then you get to to
Speaker 7: watch you and benjam McClain finished out the rookie season.
Speaker 7: So compared to twenty twenty three, there's a lot more
Speaker 7: to wash on the stretch than there was back then
Speaker 7: when the Mets had their last fire sale. And I'll
Speaker 7: be plugged into that new Binghamton Rumble Ponies infield too.
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Speaker 3: couple of big deals that came in. The first one
Speaker 3: a few days ago was Louis Castile, obviously making the
Speaker 3: move from the Seattle Mariners of the Chicago White Sox.
Speaker 3: Luis Castillo goes to the White Sox for Sir Anthony Dominguez,
Speaker 3: Nolan Jones, and then a catching prospect Boston Smith, who
Speaker 3: they actually, funny enough acquired for Curtis Mead. The other
Speaker 3: two that jumped out here h Wascar Brasabon. We just mentioned,
Speaker 3: Brozabon adds to the White Sox bullpen here and he
Speaker 3: can be a consistent arm. Brazobon goes from the Mets
Speaker 3: of the White Sox for right hander Gabe Davis and
Speaker 3: right hander Zach Franklin. And then the other one is
Speaker 3: they go and get a center fielder here that it
Speaker 3: seems like has some untapped athleticism right now in Brenton Doyle.
Speaker 3: Brenton Doyle goes from the Colorado Rockies to the Chicago
Speaker 3: White Sox for right hitter Mason Adams and church stop
Speaker 3: Carlos Fioma. We've hit on Castile and Brazabon already. You
Speaker 3: guys hit on Castile on Sunday Night Show. Brozabon, we
Speaker 3: just hit on with Fink. But I want to pick
Speaker 3: your brain on Brenton Doyle because this is a really
Speaker 3: interesting get for not a lot as it pertains to
Speaker 3: prospect capital here. I think this is a fun flyer
Speaker 3: to take when they've been hunting outfielders for months at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 1: Are Yeah, I think it was very clear for this
Speaker 1: team that like that they wanted to one try to
Speaker 1: get some controllable pieces. But I think more importantly like
Speaker 1: they weren't going to put all the chips forward, so
Speaker 1: it's gonna be more like Bilow strategic opportunities here. And
Speaker 1: I think they see a super talent at Brenton Doyle,
Speaker 1: where the defensive metrics are always gonna be a little
Speaker 1: bit shoddy, and in course, this guy's gonna go play
Speaker 1: an elite center field and I think we've seen that
Speaker 1: through stretches and getting get in to Chicago. Just getting out,
Speaker 1: of course is only going to help them in that regard.
Speaker 1: But what I really like is, and you alluded to this,
Speaker 1: you know before we started recording, is just that Derek
Speaker 1: Schouman's as good as they come when it comes to
Speaker 1: just just not only developing hitters, but guys that with
Speaker 1: and are trying to find it right Like we've seen
Speaker 1: so many of those guys in Miami before Showman was
Speaker 1: you know, poached over and brought over to Chicago to
Speaker 1: the South Side that made leaps and credit Showman. And
Speaker 1: I think this is a fun one because you don't
Speaker 1: need him to become Kyle Stowers, you don't need him
Speaker 1: to become Murakami. If Brenon Doyle is a ninety WRC plus,
Speaker 1: he's a two to three war player and he's an easy,
Speaker 1: great addition to the fold there. So I think it's
Speaker 1: just figuring out how to get him from not being
Speaker 1: one of the worst hitters in the game.
Speaker 2: And it should be all up from here.
Speaker 3: And the ninety WRC plus can show itself in twenty
Speaker 3: homers and twenty backs. That's the coolest thing about this,
Speaker 3: where it could be like low batting average, okay, whatever,
Speaker 3: and the k rate could still be there a little bit,
Speaker 3: But ninety wrs plus in a twenty twenty guy with
Speaker 3: elite defense in center. I'm signing up for that.
Speaker 1: And if it doesn't work, sorry, Peter, say it. If
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, like, who cares. You didn't give up much,
Speaker 1: And that was clearly that the prerogative for the White
Speaker 1: Sox was.
Speaker 2: We're not going to give up any of our top
Speaker 2: ten prospects.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I was going to say, Like, it's
Speaker 4: that fun flyer to make, and if it doesn't work out,
Speaker 4: you won't lose sleep over this deal at all.
Speaker 3: It's okay, you can cough if you want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't get it out of my road there.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: We had some comments about and I realized that where
Speaker 1: the fuck are the Reds?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is it nothing?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Did you guys see that that it was reported
Speaker 4: like thirty minutes before the deadline? Brady Singer's staying put.
Speaker 4: I was like, why, Yeah, what's purpose? And why did
Speaker 4: you declare it before the deadline ended? That? That made
Speaker 4: no sense to me. I feel like the Reds had
Speaker 4: an opportunity here to either buy kind of like the
Speaker 4: Blue Jays did, maybe for next year, or sell off
Speaker 4: expiring pieces, do something.
Speaker 3: So all they dealt was Nathaniel Lowe to Cleveland and
Speaker 3: Caleb Ferguson for international bonus pool money.
Speaker 4: They didn't even get it, that's it.
Speaker 2: And they got Juan Brito, who was DFA.
Speaker 3: They got the idrea about DFA.
Speaker 2: That's sad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got the idea of a person in international
Speaker 4: bonus pool money and they got a guy I got dfaied.
Speaker 1: Do you think they just spent their whole time workshopping
Speaker 1: Hunter Green, Mega Trades and not my home.
Speaker 4: They did nothing else. It's listening to our show and
Speaker 4: being like, wow, maybe that is a good Wow.
Speaker 1: Fifty to fifty chance Buster says, wow, that's good to hear.
Speaker 4: That they finally nailed it with their bottle and then
Speaker 4: they pitched it out. People were like, we don't want.
Speaker 3: To do that, and they're like, oh no, and it's
Speaker 3: so fo Yeah that would have been great four minutes ago.
Speaker 4: Four.
Speaker 2: So on a serious note, like.
Speaker 1: The Reds might need to be talked about as one
Speaker 1: of those teams like not operating, not really doing what
Speaker 1: they need to be doing.
Speaker 3: I will push back on that because they ace Chase
Speaker 3: Burns going number two overall when nobody's.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. You took akakazoid.
Speaker 3: Sal Stewart looks like a nationally Rookie of the Year
Speaker 3: front runner. Yes, yeah, at least a superstar. But their
Speaker 3: margin moves are not good.
Speaker 1: Like process, like their process, their process.
Speaker 3: Might not be good.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I just don't I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean that Gavin looks for Mike Sirota trade might
Speaker 4: end up being like one of the worst trades that
Speaker 4: we've seen. And I don't mean to pile on them.
Speaker 4: What's the point, right.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm watching they're on like they were always
Speaker 1: kind of in like the middle, don't really pay attention
Speaker 1: to you tier you don't do anything great you don't
Speaker 1: do anything terrible, but like, I just think it's just
Speaker 1: running the.
Speaker 2: Mill front office. Starting to think of them is.
Speaker 1: Like a bottom tier operation there and I'm just just watching.
Speaker 2: Just wanted to put it out there.
Speaker 4: Did we miss any other trades? I feel like there
Speaker 4: definitely some trades that we have missed.
Speaker 3: Cool, Let's go, Let's go rapid fire. I've got a
Speaker 3: few more written down here. Again, Casey Mize was a
Speaker 3: buzzer beater for San Diego. Not only does San Diego
Speaker 3: ad Casey Mice, but they also had Robbie Ray from
Speaker 3: San Francisco. Robbie Ray has been throwing like one of
Speaker 3: the better arms in Major League Baseball. Of it last bit,
Speaker 3: Robbie Ray goes from San Francisco to San Diego for
Speaker 3: Miguel Mendez and Johnny L. Hernandez. Robbie Ray all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, combined with Michael King, combined with Casey Mice,
Speaker 3: give San Diego this rotation that isn't like you're trying
Speaker 3: to piece it together with Hermon Marquez, And as Bueler
Speaker 3: slides down to the four or five, you start to
Speaker 3: feel good about San Diego to the rest of the
Speaker 3: regular season.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent, just real quick on this one. There's
Speaker 4: no more opener to Griffin Canning. There's no more Hermon Marquees.
Speaker 4: You're getting Robbie Ray and freaking Casey Mize right and
Speaker 4: they might not be like top end elite starting pitchers,
Speaker 4: but Casey mis has been pitching like it this year
Speaker 4: and Robbie Ray's putting up a really solid season two again,
Speaker 4: just raising the floor in the only area the Padres
Speaker 4: are really struggling at right now.
Speaker 3: And Peter, let me build off that real quick. They
Speaker 3: were already a couple games over five hundred when they
Speaker 3: were opening for Griffin Canning and running in from.
Speaker 4: Market right now, and like, if I'm a family.
Speaker 3: Dude, Merrill, Merrill's playing unbelievable ball right now. He's playing
Speaker 3: like that Rookie of the Year runner up Meryl At
Speaker 3: Tatisa's back, Machado is kind of like getting into the
Speaker 3: power surge. I think he's realizing that there are too
Speaker 3: many numbers out there and two zero five isn't going
Speaker 3: to cut it, but like, might as well hit thirty
Speaker 3: five bombs this year, So, uh, there's some good stuff
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 1: The Other thing with it is like Miz is a
Speaker 1: good option to potentially, you know, when he's on, he
Speaker 1: get pitch deeper into games and give the bullpen a
Speaker 1: little bit of a day off.
Speaker 2: Like Robbie Ray. You can five and dive them.
Speaker 1: All you need is a quality five from me each
Speaker 1: of your starters, and you're you're in the driver's seat.
Speaker 2: Good luck.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: The rest of the way, they kept all their relievers, so.
Speaker 3: I'm happy that they held it out. Yeah, I am
Speaker 3: over the moon happy that they held on to Mason Miller.
Speaker 3: I'm ecstatic they hung onto Morohone for their sake, Like
Speaker 3: Morohone is. I get it a rental, but Morohone to
Speaker 3: them means so much, and that super pen means so much.
Speaker 3: It's their ticket in over the final next two months
Speaker 3: or over the final two months. We've had four other I.
Speaker 4: Just quickly I got to disagree on that part. Not
Speaker 4: trading Adrian Morohone. You could have gave him to the
Speaker 4: Yankees for cash considerations. I don't know why the Padres
Speaker 4: didn't do me personally a favor by sending one of
Speaker 4: my favorite left handed relievers over to the Yankees. But seriously,
Speaker 4: I agree with everything that you said.
Speaker 1: I just had he was the guy I wanted so badly,
Speaker 1: and I thought they might because the Hall would be crazy.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like he might even just he might
Speaker 1: have just tipped his hand and said, like, I'll.
Speaker 4: Just resign with you.
Speaker 3: Gus.
Speaker 4: Did you see this sorse off between like Paymen and
Speaker 4: Nightingale and so.
Speaker 2: I love a good old source off.
Speaker 4: You know, it was back and forth about like did
Speaker 4: the Yankees or the Padres decline a Will Warren for
Speaker 4: Adri morrilone offer? And then Hayman the next day, when
Speaker 4: someone already said Nightingale's report was wrong, adds another prospect
Speaker 4: on top of it and said that the Padres declined.
Speaker 4: All of that was crazy, and ultimately we get absolutely.
Speaker 2: We get nothing.
Speaker 1: Quick shout on the return to Miguel Mendez throws fuel
Speaker 1: fuel fastbaverage is ninety seven to five. He's got a
Speaker 1: four Seemer and a two seamer Ray Yeah to going
Speaker 1: to San France and what you and the slider in
Speaker 1: the mid eighties is gross. And then Yanniel Hernandez is
Speaker 1: probably in a slightly barren system seventeen year old interesting
Speaker 1: upside in the DSL. So I again the giants, I
Speaker 1: thought that as well, as anybody in terms of maximizing
Speaker 1: their returns.
Speaker 3: Yeah, real cool. We've got four other guys we got
Speaker 3: to go over here. One of them is Chris Bubich,
Speaker 3: who goes from the Royals to the La Dodgers. Here,
Speaker 3: Chris Boubich again, who has been hurt for quite a bit,
Speaker 3: goes in return for Carlos Durrant a right handed pitcher
Speaker 3: or what do you have on Carlos Doran Here.
Speaker 1: Carlos ran throws hard and that was a guy that
Speaker 1: I want to say got up for a cup of coffee,
Speaker 1: if I'm more correctly, And then it's just been now
Speaker 1: hanging out and it was last year. He has been
Speaker 1: hanging out in the PCL but spig swing and missed
Speaker 1: offf going to take a chance to see if the
Speaker 1: command can get any better.
Speaker 2: But command's consistently been a problem.
Speaker 1: And it just feels like low cost to acquire for
Speaker 1: a guy that's hurt and Bubach that's working his way
Speaker 1: back that you're hoping can just potentially just be available
Speaker 1: for the stretch run of the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 4: I don't know why the Dodgers did this. Buobach is
Speaker 4: going to be a free agent at the end of
Speaker 4: the season. I mean, it didn't cost them much, but
Speaker 4: I just don't know if he's gonna return. He's still
Speaker 4: in the sixty day IL and he's dealing with not
Speaker 4: only an elbow injury but a shoal injury as well.
Speaker 4: I guess he started a throwing program in late July
Speaker 4: and is expected to pitch again this season. So maybe
Speaker 4: I'm wrong, but it just feels like a guy who
Speaker 4: hasn't really gotten going yet, maybe just in case, and
Speaker 4: they were like, we like him so much that we're
Speaker 4: just gonna take the chance if he is healthy, get
Speaker 4: him an hour program. So I think trading for Terrek
Speaker 4: Scoopl is fine ultimately, but I draw the line at
Speaker 4: getting Kris Kovich. I think now we're officially headed.
Speaker 5: To a lockout.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair upside play. Just hope if he's healthy. If not,
Speaker 1: who cares you? Carlos Duryant, Yeah, that's one.
Speaker 3: Of the little swapperuni of Big leaguers. Here, Dalton Varshow
Speaker 3: goes from the Toronto Blue Jays to the Houston Astros.
Speaker 3: In return, Spencer Arraghetti goes from the Astros to the
Speaker 3: Blue Jays.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 3: Interesting one here, I dig the var show ad for
Speaker 3: Houston because they were running out Lucas Spence in center field.
Speaker 3: Houston needed a center fielder. They just needed another bat
Speaker 3: at the bottom or middle to bottom of that lineup.
Speaker 3: If Varshow is their six hitting center fielder with the
Speaker 3: chance for thump in a more hitter friendly ballpark, playing
Speaker 3: gold Glove caliber defense in center as well, just from
Speaker 3: like a range factor perspective, I think this is a
Speaker 3: fun yet for Houston, and I think Houston like they
Speaker 3: didn't need to do much to be buyers at the deadline.
Speaker 3: I thought Dana Brown actually did a good job like
Speaker 3: not blowing up the farm system. I thought Kevin Alvaros
Speaker 3: was moving, to be honest with you, like the way
Speaker 3: Houston was talking, I thought he was going to sell
Speaker 3: their top five prospects in hopes of keeping his job.
Speaker 3: But they're playing outstanding baseball right now, and they look
Speaker 3: like a team that can really win the AL West
Speaker 3: is currently constructed, and they get better in centerfield with
Speaker 3: Tulton Barshow.
Speaker 4: They're hot, and they needed anyone to play center field.
Speaker 4: And I like the swing for a guy like Dalton
Speaker 4: Varshow because we do know that when Varshow is right,
Speaker 4: he's one of the more dynamic players in all of
Speaker 4: Major League Baseball because he can really defend his position
Speaker 4: at center field. But he for the Blue Jays last
Speaker 4: year seventy games in the regular season swatted twenty homers.
Speaker 4: Like that's the type of power he can also bring.
Speaker 4: You could also be a menace on the baits pass.
Speaker 4: And I look at to just center field production for
Speaker 4: the Houston Astros this season, there's seventy two WRC plus
Speaker 4: in center field ranks twenty ninth. They have a clean
Speaker 4: zero point zero f war in centerfield again, which is
Speaker 4: one of the worst in baseball. So at the very worst,
Speaker 4: Dalton Varshow is just going to give you the exact
Speaker 4: production that you're used to, or he could be a
Speaker 4: lot better. And he also was a beast in the
Speaker 4: postseason two. So Jack, if they do win the West
Speaker 4: or they make a wildcut or anything like that, maybe
Speaker 4: you get a focus Dalton Varshow in the playoffs. That
Speaker 4: could be a big time hitter for you. And all
Speaker 4: it really costs is Spencer Arraghedtty. And it just feels
Speaker 4: like the Astros have kind of been up and down
Speaker 4: with Araghetty and Ragedtty himself has been kind of up
Speaker 4: and down. You see the stuff, right, the strikeout rate
Speaker 4: is always really high, but then he has some games
Speaker 4: where he just gets pelted. He has no idea where
Speaker 4: the baseball is going. And I think they were just like,
Speaker 4: you know what, it feels like, it's not going to
Speaker 4: work here, Let's capitalize. Let's address a position and need,
Speaker 4: and that is center field. So I think it was
Speaker 4: ultimately a good move on both sides. Like I think
Speaker 4: the Blue Jays netting Aarraghetti, there's still clear potential in
Speaker 4: that arm. It's one of those where we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4: It's really tough to declare a winner right now because
Speaker 4: both of them need to bounce back, and I don't
Speaker 4: know who's going to bounce back, but at least for
Speaker 4: the Astros, you can't get any worse in centerfield.
Speaker 3: Correct, Alright, You got any other thoughts on Araghedty or Varsha.
Speaker 1: Now, I think was Nesky coming back made Araghetty maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit more expendable as well. It's just kind
Speaker 1: of like that last rotation spot. And yeah, now Carlos
Speaker 1: Carrea is not rolling out potentially trying to return by
Speaker 1: the end of the year, so maybe that can help
Speaker 1: them down the stretch. I think the Astros were swinging
Speaker 1: a little bit bigger, trying to find a bigger bat,
Speaker 1: but asking prices. We're tall, and I was surprised similarly, Jack,
Speaker 1: that they had the discipline to not overpay for a
Speaker 1: team that like, yeah, you just should add, but I
Speaker 1: don't think you should do anything crazy here, as you're
Speaker 1: just starting to rebuild that farm back up and may
Speaker 1: have a turnover in the front office.
Speaker 4: Real quick, Jack, before we move on to the next trade,
Speaker 4: I really want to answer this comment because we didn't
Speaker 4: touch on the Foster Griffin return. We just got all
Speaker 4: hyped up for the Guardians to the fact that they
Speaker 4: got Foster Griffin and then we found out about the
Speaker 4: return later. So this comes to us from l Walt
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Speaker 4: we got a lot of great guests planned this week
Speaker 4: as well to break down the deadline. So again this
Speaker 4: comment see a lot of PEO people hating on the
Speaker 4: Foster Griffin return. I don't understand why the Nats committed
Speaker 4: to a quantity over quality approach to fix their lack
Speaker 4: of arms in the system and they only, at the
Speaker 4: end of the day get two months of Foster Griffin
Speaker 4: podcast B. I don't know if you have it readily available,
Speaker 4: but I would love to hear both you and Arm's
Speaker 4: opinion on this return.
Speaker 3: So the return real quick is three pictures in an outfielder.
Speaker 3: The three pictures will Dion, Josh Hartele, and Ken Deglees
Speaker 3: Verguez I think, and then outfielder Nick Mitchell is going
Speaker 3: back as well. Dion and Hardle are the guys that
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot known about those two. Dion
Speaker 3: is an upper miners guy, and then Josh Hardle former
Speaker 3: Wake Forest guy who was a pirate if I'm not mistaken, yep,
Speaker 3: and it is way there in the Horwitz deal with
Speaker 3: Louis Ortiz.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that three team deal and then dealt again.
Speaker 1: Hardle is kind of a funky left he that I
Speaker 1: think could end just being a back end of the
Speaker 1: rotation ending Zeter, He's continued to be effective at double A.
Speaker 2: So I think that's a decent get.
Speaker 1: And then I think we were seeing the Nats just
Speaker 1: continue to pursue these like high octane stuff relief types,
Speaker 1: and like that's what they get with Virguez.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got a lively fastball.
Speaker 1: It's ninety eight miles an hour from a really low release,
Speaker 1: like a four to nine release, which is crazy. It's
Speaker 1: like almost a foot below league average from that velocity.
Speaker 2: That's super rare.
Speaker 1: Like if you do a query of how many fastballs
Speaker 1: are going ninety seven plus miles per hour from a
Speaker 1: sub five.
Speaker 2: Foot release, I don't think you're gonna find maybe any.
Speaker 1: So that's a really unique reliever there with this crazy
Speaker 1: cutter off of that. So I think that's a guy
Speaker 1: that you look at potentially could fast track to a
Speaker 1: big league relief opportunity. There you get the high floor
Speaker 1: left hander. Mitchell's kind of just a throw in. But
Speaker 1: I think overall, like people may be expecting a little
Speaker 1: bit more for you know, a bigger ticket arm, But
Speaker 1: I agree with with the original sentiment, which is they
Speaker 1: want more volume and you get a couple guys that
Speaker 1: I think are high probability big leaguers in different ways,
Speaker 1: and even like a Will Dion, I think there's just
Speaker 1: so some intrigue there as well. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: hate it at all. You could have maybe got one
Speaker 1: higher impact player. But again, I think the Nationals are
Speaker 1: looking at relief arms and you know, closer to big
Speaker 1: league ready arms that can help them sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1: Dion's good depth and then high octane potential reliever. And
Speaker 1: I want to make sure, I said Verguez, So.
Speaker 4: You don't think the Nats should be disappointed in this return?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 1: a rental pitch ability Lefty that he's been really really good.
Speaker 1: But I think it was the quantity over quality as
Speaker 1: that was alluded to, and I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: been the Tiboni approach in general with most of the
Speaker 1: trades that they've made.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we've got two more deals off the
Speaker 3: top of our head. By the way, how about a
Speaker 3: minor leaguer for minor leaguer swap here Seth Johnson for
Speaker 3: Colby Thomas. Seth Johnson goes from the Phillies to the
Speaker 3: A for outfield er Colby Thomas. Thomas has some big
Speaker 3: league runs, Seth Johnson has some big league run as
Speaker 3: well out of the Philly bullpen. So Thomas is added
Speaker 3: to the Phillies, and Jason Stark also mentions Philly was
Speaker 3: looking for another reliever or starter but ran out of time.
Speaker 3: I wonder what that means. I wonder how big a
Speaker 3: fish they were looking to land. Philadelphia could probably use
Speaker 3: one more starting pitcher here. But been a very fun
Speaker 3: to watch how Philly is operated at the deadline so far,
Speaker 3: and it was I think more subdued than a lot
Speaker 3: of people were anticipating. But they go and get a rise,
Speaker 3: and they go and get Rayley, and here they had
Speaker 3: Colby Thomas as a bench outfield bat which they could
Speaker 3: certainly utilize.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's just good depth right handed athlete.
Speaker 1: I've always been a little bit, well, we're on him,
Speaker 1: but the guy's mashed in the upper miners, and you
Speaker 1: just added a guy that can play all three outfield
Speaker 1: spots and give you some depth. And I think any
Speaker 1: arm that they could possibly get for Sacramento and for the.
Speaker 3: Fox work, yeah, Hey, like I guess The question is
Speaker 3: do you want Colby Thomas or Brian de Lacruz, Derek Hill,
Speaker 3: Gabriel Ringconis Junior? And I think the answer right now
Speaker 3: is Colby Thomas.
Speaker 2: It might be it might be Thomas, Brian de la
Speaker 2: Cruz kind of raking, right.
Speaker 4: He's been raking for eleven It's it's funny when you
Speaker 4: were listing off those dames, Jack, I'm like, hey, those
Speaker 4: are some of the best hitters in the Phillies lineup
Speaker 4: right now with Derek.
Speaker 3: Hill, not Ringconis. Ringcon has hit a home run and
Speaker 3: then he just went dormant.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought him up, not Ringcotis. I think
Speaker 4: it's Colby Thomas or Ringconas, And I would choose almost
Speaker 4: anybody else except Riingcotas right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, uh, two more trades that we want to get
Speaker 3: to here. Number one is Joe Adell. Joe Adell goes
Speaker 3: from the Angels to the Cleveland Guardians and this is
Speaker 3: part of the Guardian by the Guardians again. They go
Speaker 3: and get Nathaniel Lowe, they go and get Foster Griffin,
Speaker 3: and they also add Joe Adele. Adele has obviously experienced
Speaker 3: a bit of a downturn from what he was doing
Speaker 3: last year, but he does still have sixteen home runs
Speaker 3: this year. I saw a note he would be leading
Speaker 3: the Marl or the Guardian lineup here in terms of
Speaker 3: home runs, and Joe Adell is a very, very athletic
Speaker 3: dude that just adds an element of pop to this
Speaker 3: Guardian lineup. I thought Chris Antonetti and the Guardians did
Speaker 3: a pretty good job here today at this deadline.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the only thing about Joe Adell is that he's
Speaker 4: the most anti Guardians player I've ever seen. Is he
Speaker 4: not like a guy who has nice play discipline, takes
Speaker 4: good abs, does a job, you know, normally pretty good defensively.
Speaker 4: And I feel like Joe Adell is kind of just
Speaker 4: built on his tools. There's a lot of swing and
Speaker 4: miss in his game. He's walking only three point five
Speaker 4: percent of the time. That might be the lowest in
Speaker 4: all of Major League Baseball. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: haven't we kind of been waiting for the Guardians to
Speaker 4: take a swing on a player like Joe Adell with
Speaker 4: a ton of tools and maybe they could teach him
Speaker 4: the guard Ball way. Imagine the Joe Adell tools combined
Speaker 4: with guarda that could be a Hall of Famer. Obviously
Speaker 4: it's going a little bit too far, but I when
Speaker 4: it first came in, I was like, what, that's the
Speaker 4: least Guardians player I could have imagined, which almost makes
Speaker 4: it a Guardian's move. At the same time, do you
Speaker 4: understand the Galaxy brain I'm going through your arm?
Speaker 1: Well, I think there's an even more surface level, straightforward explanation,
Speaker 1: which is threeho three three thirty eight, five seventy one
Speaker 1: against left handed pitching for.
Speaker 2: A nine to ten ops. And that's the Guardians sorely,
Speaker 2: sorely needed.
Speaker 1: I also do to your point on that, though, Peter,
Speaker 1: they have been trying to buck the typical trend, like
Speaker 1: they went Super Power with Heavy on some of the
Speaker 1: last drafts.
Speaker 2: They they probably want to balance things out.
Speaker 1: But you bring in a Dell, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: and I know we already talked about better process now
Speaker 1: for the interest they should have traded them last year.
Speaker 2: Imagine how much more they would have got.
Speaker 1: But you bring in a guy that can absolutely demolish
Speaker 1: the short side the platoon for you here, and I
Speaker 1: think that's extremely valuable for the Guards, and you get
Speaker 1: another year of control after this one. So I think
Speaker 1: with how good he's been against left handed pitching, Joe
Speaker 1: is ten homers and one hundred and thirty plate appearances
Speaker 1: against left he's compared to six homers and three hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty six played appearances against righty's. It's a stark,
Speaker 1: stark difference. But yeah, if he could hone it on
Speaker 1: the play discipline, of course, that would that would help
Speaker 1: him make a difference. Cozar going the other way, like
Speaker 1: some catching depth in the organization, high probability big leaguer,
Speaker 1: with how the glove has continued to come along, took
Speaker 1: a step forward with the bat as well.
Speaker 2: I don't think anything super crazy to me.
Speaker 1: He's kind of in between that backup catcher and starting
Speaker 1: catcher mold so it's kind of like a second division dealer.
Speaker 1: But those guys are still i mean, high probability, filling
Speaker 1: a role, not a bad get in return for the Angels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am curious to see how they kind of
Speaker 3: handle the catching situation moving forward, and I guess Pat
Speaker 3: Bailey's the answer here, and Hedges has been way better.
Speaker 3: But you know, trading bow Naylor and that Yoho and
Speaker 3: Blake Perkins deal and then also trading catching Prospect and
Speaker 3: Cozart as well. I'm curious if they're pushing all the
Speaker 3: chips in sorry on uh yeah, thank you. I'm curious
Speaker 3: if they are pushing all the chips in on Patrick
Speaker 3: Bailey being kind of their everyday catcher moving forward, because
Speaker 3: hedges he's probably going to hang it up at some
Speaker 3: point soon, you would have to think.
Speaker 2: So now I think he's just hitting his prime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's raking offensively. He's hitting his prime. But he's
Speaker 3: got to be a DH and is good enough to
Speaker 3: be a DH.
Speaker 4: Before before we move on to the next trade, I
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Speaker 3: Last trade that we want to bring up here, and
Speaker 3: then I think our next episode that we should do
Speaker 3: on the Just Baseball Show is Deadline Winners, and then
Speaker 3: the next one after that would probably be Deadline Losers.
Speaker 3: Just kind of let the cake bake a little bit longer.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but we do have one more trade, and
Speaker 3: the Cubs go and acquire a back end reliever that
Speaker 3: has been a strikeout machine as of late. Ryan Zephyrjon
Speaker 3: goes from the Angels to the Cubs. Moyses Biasteros, how
Speaker 3: about this fall from grace? Bias Steros goes from the
Speaker 3: Cubs to the Angels along with Mason maguire for Ryan
Speaker 3: Zephyr John a guy who is walking the world, mind you,
Speaker 3: But Moe Baller has seen his value evaporate, it seems
Speaker 3: over the last three hundred and sixty five days. And
Speaker 3: Bias Steraros had himself a heck of a start to
Speaker 3: this season as well. He was looking like a masher.
Speaker 3: Are them? What happened to bias Steros's value?
Speaker 1: So this was an argument I've had so many times
Speaker 1: with the Cubs fans when we were a little bit
Speaker 1: later to put him into the top one hundred. And
Speaker 1: this is the risk, This is the conundrum of the
Speaker 1: that first short catcher that is not very good defensively
Speaker 1: and I thought it was like a forty great at
Speaker 1: best defensively. Is if Bias Saros does not rake like
Speaker 1: absolutely rake or make a mega leap defensively, there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of fallback options here. And that's always always
Speaker 1: looking at with prospects. It's like you have the high
Speaker 1: end outcome, but like, what's the secondary outcome or the
Speaker 1: tertiary outcome. It still could be a big league role
Speaker 1: for Biasteros, it was kind of above average big league
Speaker 1: bat or nothing. And with him like and it's hit
Speaker 1: over power, there's a lot of pressure in different ways.
Speaker 1: And once it became more clear that he just wasn't
Speaker 1: going to be able to provide I think even serviceable defense.
Speaker 1: He's too short to play first. So now you have
Speaker 1: a DH. If you're a DH, you've got to put
Speaker 1: up a one thirty WRC plus or it ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be worth it, or you've got to be catching once
Speaker 1: or twice a week and being there, and I think
Speaker 1: that was the problem. What I can't answer is what
Speaker 1: has gone on with Biasteros this year, Where a guy
Speaker 1: that is one of the more hitterish players I've seen
Speaker 1: in a long time, and why he was still you know,
Speaker 1: that borderline top one hundred and eventually top one hundred
Speaker 1: guy has just lost his power. His game power has
Speaker 1: just been gone six seventy seven oh ps. I think
Speaker 1: this year he's just blatantly struggling. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's something going on health wise or whatever, but I
Speaker 1: haven't really seen a hitter of that ability regress to
Speaker 1: the degree that he has.
Speaker 2: That said, in a relief deal.
Speaker 1: When the Angels are in the business of adding just
Speaker 1: any big leager as they can, I still think this is.
Speaker 2: A big league bat Biasteros.
Speaker 1: And whether it's a vogel Bach type of bat or
Speaker 1: you know, a guy that can actually be an above average,
Speaker 1: you know, dh offensive piece that can maybe catch once
Speaker 1: or twice a week is to be determined. But for
Speaker 1: a reliever, I think it's a good shot to take.
Speaker 1: For still a twenty two year old guy who's Kobe
Speaker 1: just had.
Speaker 2: A lost season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got a couple of comments here that are
Speaker 3: asking for certain ross turns that we didn't really get
Speaker 3: to dive into here. First one is Jeff Hoffman that
Speaker 3: we want to get into and thank you very much
Speaker 3: for the donation as well Jeff Hoffman. Again, he goes
Speaker 3: from Toronto to Minnesota and the return from Jeff Hoffman
Speaker 3: or the return from Minnesota to Toronto for Jeff Hoffman
Speaker 3: left handed Dason Hill, right hander John Klein, and a
Speaker 3: Maori Pania as well.
Speaker 2: So is Dason Hill.
Speaker 3: Who else John Klein and Damari Panya. Dason Hill is
Speaker 3: kind of crazy, yeah, real.
Speaker 4: Quick, though, Jeff Hoffman has been one of the best
Speaker 4: relievers in baseball ever since he was one of the
Speaker 4: worst relievers in baseball. We remember, excuse me, Jeff Hoffman
Speaker 4: started off the season really poor yet an Era at
Speaker 4: five and Blue Jays fans were just so sick of them,
Speaker 4: and then really, from June on, this guy has been
Speaker 4: otherworldly dominant. I just saw the other day that he
Speaker 4: gave up his first earned run over his last fifteen
Speaker 4: or so appearances on the So while I'm interested to
Speaker 4: hear about the package, Jeff Hoffman is a great get
Speaker 4: for the Twins when their biggest need is bullpen help,
Speaker 4: and this is a great ad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean the stuff and the ceiling and
Speaker 1: the impact that he can have is huge and for team,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, sorely needed it.
Speaker 2: But Hill is a guy that upsidewise excited.
Speaker 1: They're just kind of surprised to see moved and excited
Speaker 1: because Johnny King really fun, stuffy, left handed pitching prospect
Speaker 1: that is awesome in the j system, and Hill is
Speaker 1: kind of in the same breath. King has made more
Speaker 1: progress to throw more strikes and I'm excited to see
Speaker 1: if Hill can now do that in the Jays organization
Speaker 1: as well, because we're talking about a six foot five, long,
Speaker 1: lanky like slender lefty that averages ninety six with the
Speaker 1: fastball and then has a trio breaking ball is working
Speaker 1: off of it a change up as well. The stuff,
Speaker 1: I mean it is big league middle rotation stuff. It's
Speaker 1: just been a real challenge for him to throw strikes
Speaker 1: and you can walk up to like six per nine.
Speaker 1: So if Hill at twenty years old, can find a
Speaker 1: little bit more consistency, I mean, the ceiling is sky high.
Speaker 2: You have the fallback though with Hill of a leverage
Speaker 2: you know, left handed relief arm.
Speaker 1: But when you've got the trio of breaking balls, a
Speaker 1: four seemer and a change up from a six to
Speaker 1: five lefty, I'm going to give this guy as much
Speaker 1: runway to try to start as possible, huge high ceiling,
Speaker 1: you know, piece to be able to add cope.
Speaker 3: I dig it, all right, I think we're good on these.
Speaker 3: Oh the other return that we were asked about was
Speaker 3: possibly touching on the Lars Neotbar return. Did you see
Speaker 3: who newt bar?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think it was Daniel Egan was one of the
Speaker 1: one of the players moved.
Speaker 2: There is he really?
Speaker 3: And Egan of Severance?
Speaker 2: I miss Severance? Great show, correct, I heard?
Speaker 4: I think Ben Stiller they're filming again. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: That is Yeah, Thank goodness. That's one of those that
Speaker 2: I'm actually I count the days for.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Egan's one of those. We got to ignore the
Speaker 2: surface level numbers.
Speaker 1: Because he has thrown Amarillo, which is the PCL essentially,
Speaker 1: even though it's double A, it's like the same drill.
Speaker 1: There high probability back into the rotation type of starter six'
Speaker 1: four two and ten, pounds sturdy build like fastball is
Speaker 1: a little bit of the concern there where it's very,
Speaker 1: stock BUT i love all the. Secondaries you've got a
Speaker 1: cutter to, bridge a gyro, slider and then a downer
Speaker 1: curveball off of. That he can really spin the, baseball
Speaker 1: and he still continues with a change up here and.
Speaker 1: There BUT i love the trio OF i guess it's
Speaker 1: two breaking balls and the cutter off of it THAT
Speaker 1: i think gives him a great chance to be a
Speaker 1: back end of the rotation type of innings.
Speaker 2: Eater SO i thought that wasn't a bad. Get just
Speaker 2: get him off.
Speaker 1: Of the moon, there AND i think the numbers are
Speaker 1: going to be a lot better in The cardinals. System
Speaker 1: so not bad For, newbaar who at the end of
Speaker 1: the day like it hasn't been great. OFFENSE i love
Speaker 1: the get for The dbacks to just upgrade that, offense
Speaker 1: but you aren't going to get a crazy haul for.
Speaker 3: Him let's tie a bo on this program here by
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Speaker 2: Nicely, YEAH i think it's saying the lines for.
Speaker 1: Sure and, ALSO i mean those are like THE mlbpa lines, too,
Speaker 1: Right it's always gonna be everyone can do what The dodgers,
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Speaker 3: All, yeah arm late and give me one knee jerk
Speaker 3: winner and one knee jerk. Loser and, again our next
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Speaker 3: deadline winners and.
Speaker 1: Losers, honestly just the prospect heading me is still so
Speaker 1: obsessed with The Alexander friez And Josiah ragsdale in Their
Speaker 1: division trade there For hein And, BLOOM i just get.
Speaker 2: PAST i can't get past that. One in terms of.
Speaker 1: The trade in a, VACUUM i still think that is
Speaker 1: my favorite, trade as crazy as that. Sounds but like
Speaker 1: knee jerk, WINNER i feel really good about what The cubs.
Speaker 1: DID i feel we've been asking The cubs to do
Speaker 1: a lot and they kind of volume shot this thing
Speaker 1: and it did a.
Speaker 2: Lot SO i am really happy with how.
Speaker 1: Much The cubs, have like how much The cubs did
Speaker 1: to bolster in several different areas to make their team better.
Speaker 2: HERE i think it's hard not to be excited about.
Speaker 4: That Cool, peter he did a. Winner i'll do a,
Speaker 4: loser a team we haven't talked about at, all WHICH
Speaker 4: i think is why they're a. Loser The rangers whole
Speaker 4: deadline and confused. Me, yeah because, originally like three days,
Speaker 4: ago before This astro, series they were leading the division
Speaker 4: and it seemed like they were going to. Buy AND
Speaker 4: i even came on the show AND i, said The
Speaker 4: rangers are typically aggressive during this type of. Period it's
Speaker 4: like don't sleep on. Them don't sleep on The. Rangers
Speaker 4: and then they get belt to ass from The astros
Speaker 4: and then it starts coming out that they might sell
Speaker 4: or they might can you guys still hear? ME i
Speaker 4: know my? Okay so you can sell him?
Speaker 3: Her, yeah mean you got the bubble thumbs up and you,
Speaker 3: froze but just keep.
Speaker 4: Talking but it's exactly what The rangers did at the.
Speaker 4: Deadline they froze because they came out and, said we're
Speaker 4: actually going to start listening on other like on A
Speaker 4: jacob De gram on somebody. ELSE i don't know why it's,
Speaker 4: frozen BUT i want to stay on this point BECAUSE
Speaker 4: i think it's. IMPORTANT i don't understand why The rangers
Speaker 4: kind of wanted to sell and they were, listening then
Speaker 4: didn't actually sell anyone outside Of Josh, smith and then
Speaker 4: didn't buy, either and they just stood pat for a
Speaker 4: team that could have used an injection of life. Here
Speaker 4: and this is again the Return Josh, Smith Josh Stephen Adam.
Speaker 4: MACO i, mean that's a pretty lame. Deadline and of
Speaker 4: course maybe my computer took all that it could AND
Speaker 4: i froze out. TOO i don't know, why but, yeah
Speaker 4: not a great deadline for The rangers at.
Speaker 3: ALL i will send us out on a happy. Note
Speaker 3: i've got two winners THAT i want to highlight. Here
Speaker 3: number one is The White. SOX i think The White
Speaker 3: sox got better in three. Phases going to Get Louis
Speaker 3: castillo was pretty. Fun going to Get Wascar brazobon was pretty,
Speaker 3: fun and then as, well going to Get Brenton doyle
Speaker 3: is an interesting lottery. Ticket But castillo a guy that
Speaker 3: you guys hit on obviously On sunday. Night, CASTILLO i
Speaker 3: don't want to say is a sleeping giant because he's
Speaker 3: not The Louis castill that he was two three years.
Speaker 3: Ago but this, guy year in and year, out has
Speaker 3: been one of the more consistent starting pitchers in, baseball.
Speaker 3: Honestly And castillo getting out of The Sir Anthony dominguez,
Speaker 3: contract That dominguez deal doesn't look that good. Anymore and
Speaker 3: then also going to Get Boston, smith who was very
Speaker 3: impressive in the minor. Leagues you know it was it
Speaker 3: was kind of a steep price to pay For. Seattle
Speaker 3: but at the end of the, day Thought Luis castile
Speaker 3: was a good pickup for The White sox along With
Speaker 3: brazabon along With doyle and then the other. One the
Speaker 3: pirates needed to effectively build a bullpen from. Scratch and
Speaker 3: the pirates built a bullpen from, scratch and they go
Speaker 3: and Get, dovall they go and Get, weaver they go
Speaker 3: and Get boker And i'm missing one, More Kirby. Yates
Speaker 3: that's a hell of a build a bullpen from scratch.
Speaker 4: Job in one.
Speaker 3: Totally so that's what we, got. Folks, again thank you
Speaker 3: so much for joining OUR mlb trade deadline stream presented
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Speaker 3: Thoughts he was thinking To Peyton genus as, Well, peyton
Speaker 3: you superstar as always, BEAST.
Speaker 4: I was just about to. SPACE i was just about
Speaker 4: to say special shout out To. Peyton he was saying
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Speaker 4: job producing the, show and special shout out to the,
Speaker 4: audience like this was. Awesome this was such a fun
Speaker 4: deadline AND i hope you enjoyed because you guys heard
Speaker 4: those rumors we might not get a great. Deadline we
Speaker 4: got a great. DEADLINE i, mean there was some massive trades,
Speaker 4: made there was some smaller trades, made there was some
Speaker 4: interesting prospect. Returns we got it all, here and that's
Speaker 4: all we. Wanted that's all we wanted was a great,
Speaker 4: deadline AND i feel like we got it so. All
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